THE DYNAMICS OF COPERCEPTION BEFORE THE FALL

Alternative Title: Joint Witness and Co-Perception: How the Holy Spirit and Human Conscience Work Together

Discover the biblical meaning of joint witness and co-perception, how the Holy Spirit speaks through the conscience, and how the fall affected humanity’s spiritual perception and communion with God.

We explore why spiritual testimony was never meant to be individual or isolated. Throughout Scripture, guidance is presented as a joint witness, where the human spirit and the Holy Spirit bear testimony together before God.

This teaching introduces the concept of co-perception, which is shared spiritual perception rather than private or independent sight. True spiritual understanding emerges when the human spirit aligns with the Spirit of God.

Key themes include:

• Joint witness as the only valid spiritual testimony before God
• Co-perception as shared perception rather than private revelation
• Conscience as the voice of the human spirit
• The Holy Spirit’s voice working through the conscience within us
• Human beings as spirit, soul, and body, each engaging distinct realms of existence
• Adam’s pre-fall life in the glory realm, marked by face-to-face communion with God
• The fall as a dimming of spiritual light and a darkening of human perception
• Dependence on God as part of humanity’s original design
• Parenting as a love-led choice that shapes healthy families and relationships

We conclude with a preview of the next teaching, which will examine how the principle of joint witness continues to operate after the fall and how believers can rediscover harmony between the human spirit and the Holy Spirit today.

Transcript

hy Joint Witness Matters

hat Co-Perception Means

oly Spirit And Your Conscience

efore The Fall Tripartite Man

fter The Fall Realm Shift

egitimacy Of Spirits And Birth

hy Love Must Lead Parenting

od Designs Dependence And Fellowship

in Fractures Perception And Light

edemption Consequences And Next Steps

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Hello and welcome back to DIY Salvation. Today we are talking about the dynamics of the joint witness of two consciences. We have been talking about co-perception, how to securely navigate your faith so that you would prevent shipwreck. Okay. So we've been talking about the conscience and how the conscience of a man, which is the voice of your spirit, how it operates and the old man, how the conscience operated under the old covenant, and then in the new man and under the new covenant, how the conscience operated. So now we're talking about the dynamics of the joint witness of two consciences. In our last episode, we talked about the fact that ideally during a court proceeding, that joint witnesses are not admissible. Okay. So two people cannot come and give witnesses in the dock together unless it's in some very special situations where a child, the testimony of a child needs to be given, and then it has to be, of course, under special circumstances and safeguards will be put in place to protect that vulnerable person. Okay. But then strangely, we also said that in the Bible and in the Supreme Court of Justice of the Universe, the reverse is the case. In fact, there is no witnessing before the king of the universe. There is no witness that stands before the king of the universe, or in the supreme court of justice of the universe that stands on his own accord. He must, it's it is always a joint witness. Every time it must be a joint witness, especially for people who are in this plane of life, right? Before you stand at the Supreme Court of Justice of the Universe, you cannot come in your name, you cannot come on your own. Whether in the Old Testament or in the New Testament, you know, it has to be the joint witness. And we said that that joint witnessing is what we know as co-perception. That is perceiving. You know, we know what co-perception is. Perception, I mean, just by the word, you can already tell that percept having a perception, like what I'm seeing right now, you cannot see what I'm seeing right now, right? But if you come to where I am, you'll be able to see what I'm seeing, and that is you have co-perception with me. Do you understand? Okay, so man has always had co-perception, or he has always had a joint witness. Do you understand? He had always had like spiritual, the spiritual man I'm talking about has always had the co-perception or the joint witnesses of two consciences. Always, he has always had the joint witnesses of two consciences, and I'm going to break that down, okay, because you can see that man is a spirit, okay, and he lives in a body, he has a soul. So the this means that as a spiritual being, you operate on the spiritual realm, even if you are you still have a physical part of you. Do you get so not only are you a spiritual being, you're also a soul, you have your you have senses of the soul, and then you're also a physical being. So with your with your body, you make contact with this physical realm. Okay, with your soul, you make contact with the soulish realm, and then with your spirit, you make contact with the spiritual realm, which is the realm of God, and the realm of you know, the reason why it's the realm of demons, also is because every being in the universe is actually a spirit, okay. Every being is well, mostly, and there are different kinds of spirit again, there are different kinds of and different categories, grades, different kinds of beings as well. Just like how we we have beings on the earth right now, we have human beings, but then we also have animals, we have other beings as well. So, of course, the human beings are actually of a higher grade or higher category than the rest, and that's what I mean by the rest of the universe. Okay, so man has always had co-perception, or he had always had the joint witnesses of two consciences, because, like we said in our previous episode, that when you stand in the dark, if you're born again and you are under the new covenant, when you stand in the dock, you have to have a joint witness with the Holy Spirit and with the word, with the Holy Spirit and with the word. That is how you're able to stand and be able to win every situation and every battle. Okay, so but now we're now explaining that the Holy Spirit is a conscience that's when you're hearing the voice of the Holy Spirit is also a conscience. What do I mean by that? The conscience is the voice of your spirit. God is spirit, you are spirit, you are made in the image and likeness of God. Do you understand? So you are a spirit being and you have the voice of your spirit. And I told you that your spirit being is humanoid. Do you understand? It has this shape that you have right now. The shape of your body was made to be able to house your humanoid soul, uh spirit. Do you get so that's how you look in the realm of the spirit? You are humanoid, you look like a human, you have eyes, nose, you have a voice, and the voice of the spirit is the conscience. Now, you also have the Holy Spirit in you, and the voice of the Holy Spirit is also his conscience. Okay, I know that it sounds somehow to you because you have you know use the word conscience loosely to mean when you are feeling guilty, you know, your conscience is pricking you and so on and so forth. But if you have been listening to what we've been talking about, you will know that this is it will be clearer to you, okay. If you've been following the teachings, it will be clearer to you. So that means that when you have co-perception with the Holy Spirit, or if you have co-perception with the devil, it means that you are you are actually you have two consciences speaking. Do you understand? You have the conscience of the Lord, the Holy Spirit, talking to you. That's the voice of the Holy Spirit talking to you, and then your own conscience as well talking to you. Okay, if you are doing the correct thing, it's only one voice, but it looks like it's only one voice, but it's a joint witness, it's one voice, joint witness, but it was actually the voice of the Holy Spirit that is coming through, coming through to you in your own hearing, in your own understanding, through your conscience. So throughout human history, man has experienced co-perception. He has experienced the co-perception is not a new topic, it's not something that I'm trying to like, you know, create a new thing. It's it's man has always experienced it. This revelation was given to Paul, and at the end of the day, well, when I was writing this, I didn't even know much of these things. I told you so many times the Holy Spirit dictates, and I'm writing, okay? And even when I was writing these things, I was just hearing and I was writing it, and I was like, wow, it's making sense, it's making sense. Okay, so throughout human history, man has experienced co-perception, and this co-perception you can call it co-perception perception, but also you can also call it the joint witness of two consciences. Now, let's look at it step by step. Number one, before the fall, man was created as a tripartite being. So he always had a spirit, he always had a soul, and he always had a body. The difference is that before the fall, the spirit man was the one that was at the forefront, just like how we're seeing your physical body right now. Before the fall, it was the spirit man that was at the forefront. That's the reason why Adam could live in the glory world. Okay, he could live in the glory world. Eden is not on this plane of life, he's on this earth, yes, it is on this earth, but there are different realms and there are different dimensions upon the same earth that we're living in. Okay, so they were he was on this earth, however, he was in a different plane of life. Do you get so because he was in a different plane of life where he was living in the glory world, he could communicate face to face with God. So God could come to Eden and visit him and have a chat with Adam. Do you see? And have a chat, and he told Adam how he was going to protect the garden so that he had to, he could, he, if Adam had protected the garden, of course, that means that he would have been able to live gloriously in that glory world forever, instead of now having to be in this three-dimensional three-dimensional plane. So at that time of the before the fall, the spirit man was at the forefront. Did he still have a body? Yes, the body was inside, okay, and the soul was also inside, just like how we're seeing the body is outside and the spirit and the soul are inside right now. So the body was still inside. So ideally, man did not need to wear clothes, okay. The example that you have to look at is from normal animals that you see right now. Animals don't need to wear clothes. Why? Because they are already clothed from inside out, okay. So that's the same way Adam was clothed from inside out. Okay, so that means he's just like God right now does not need to wear clothes. But when you see him, if you meet him, he's wearing clothes, he's dressed already, all right? He doesn't need to wash his clothes, he's not he's not having perishable items on his body. That's what I'm trying to say, okay? But does God have a body? Yes, but his clothed from the inside out, okay, and that's how Adam also was. So his body was inside, this the soul was inside, but the spirit man was outside. Why? Because of the plane of life that he was in now. After the fall, what happened? God pushes him into this plane of life, okay, and now he's in this physical plane. His body, the only way he can survive on this physical plane is to have a body, so his body has to come out, and his spirit has to go back in. Do you get and his soul has to be in, and his body can come out. Every angel that comes to this plane of life, they either have to, you know, I mean, they have permission of heaven for them to be able to show themselves to you bodily, okay? Bodily, where you can touch them and feel them. But I think those things don't even last for a long time because this is not their plane of life. So after a while, they have to go back to their normal form, right? So, but bodily, this is not their plane of life, they cannot live here. They are spirit beings. So, for us as spirit beings to be born, even God Himself, for him to come and live at least 30 years on this plane of life, what did he do? He became born of a woman. That is the legitimate way. Every other way is illegitimate, and children born from those illegitimate ways, which are it's still happening. I mean, they are cloned human beings, you know. There are so many human beings that are walking, but they are not legitimate beings, human beings. Why do I say so? They are not when they meet the fire of God, they will just go dissipate, they don't, they are not going to pass on to the other side. There's no space for them in the spirit realm. This is where they stay, this is where it all ends. Do you get? And if they are spirit, if they die and they have that, they have spirit, though. I'm not saying they don't have spirit, they have spirit, but the spirit stays here. The spirit cannot withstand the glory world, they can't with withstand the holy fire of God because it did not come from God directly. Spirits ideally come from God directly, they are part of his being. So you there's a role, there's a a name like a book that has the names of everyone who is God's own children, legitimately born here, and now they can. That's why some people cannot give their lives to Christ ever ever. No matter how you preach them, they can't give their lives to Christ. They are already sons of perdition, they are not children of God. For you to become born again, you first must be a bona fide spirit. Do you understand? From the throne room of God, bona fide spirit that was sent to this realm. Then you are now born of a woman and of course the seed of a man. Do you get? And then afterwards, you grow, and then after a while, you now receive. It's only that kind of person that can receive or reject. If they receive Jesus, then of course they are part of the new Jerusalem, they're part of the children of God. If they reject, then of course they become rejected as well. But they can pass on to the other life that is Hades or Sheol. But those that are not legitimate beings, like the clones I talked about, or like hybrid beings, okay, these ones are not human. That's why you're hearing that these beings are eating humans, they are not human. There is something in them that is degenerated, they are not human. If you if you were human, you would have the spirit that came from God, and that spirit that came from God can never make you to eat another human being. It's the spirit of love. Do you understand? It's the spirit of love. When you see narcissistic beings or narcissistic people, you understand, you know that there is another thing that is working in them, another spirit is at work in them. It can't be the person that you knew before. Not every I mean, you can meet a person today, and the person has always been nice and kind and lovely and all of that. And then one day, maybe in the in five years and all of that, you find that the person is so cynical, the person is so narcissistic and all of that, and then he continues the rest of his life. He contacted the spirit. There's something else that entered into him that changed him. Once that spirit, that evil spirit is cast out, if it's not too late, and that evil spirit is cast out and he has not been hollowed out, right? And that evil spirit is cast out, then you can see that real person come back again. Okay, so in the we're talking about the before the fall now, okay. The joint, remember, we're talking about the joint witnesses of two consciences, the dynamics of the joint witnesses, witness of two consciences. And we said that before the fall, you know, just as we already know that man is created as a tripartite being, he has a spirit, or rather, he is a spirit, he has a soul, and he lives in a body. And God's intention from the beginning was for man to reflect his likeness, his image, and in so doing, he would have to enjoy unbroken fellowship with him. Why, what's the reason why you have children? What's the reason why, if you, I mean, intentionally and purposely have children, it's not just for you to carry on your bloodline or just for you to you know have a legacy, leave a legacy of of sons and daughters. No. The reason, the main reason why you have children is for you to enjoy them. And if this is not the reason why you have you're having children, or why you have children right now, then you're making a mistake. Okay. The major reason why you have children is for you to enjoy them. Do not have children because of society, don't have children because of church. Okay, you can have children if God tells you, depending on the instruction that God gave you. If you're someone whose mindset is about advancing the kingdom of God and God says you're having children because of the kingdom, so that you can raise them for me for the kingdom, that is legit because that has eternal value. Okay. Otherwise, you have to love the children that you have you are having. Okay. If you know that you're someone who will not love children and God is saying that you have to do something for him for the kingdom, and which is to raise godly seed and all of that, and you know you cannot do it. You have to go back to God and pray about it. That ask God to give you love in your heart or the ability to be able to take care of the children, otherwise, don't have the children. If children come into this world and you don't love them or you don't properly take care of them, that is what's happening with our world today. A lot of dysfunctional families, a lot of dysfunctional beings, a lot of this dysfunctional men and women, and bring in the problems of their family to come and heap on their better health. All right. So I'm just telling you now that if you know that you would not, you don't want to love children, you don't want to have children in your house, it is okay. Let's not just try to, it's okay. God will respect your choice. Talk to him about and I'm talking to only Christians, I'm talking to believers because sometimes we think that some of these things is just it's just cut out like that in in stone, and that's it, and you have to just stay with it. You have the power of choice, okay? And you can utilize and you can tell God that I don't want to have children, and it's okay, right? Don't let anybody think of you otherwise or try to maybe dissuade you and so on and so forth. I personally I love kids, you know. So, any opportunity I have children, I'm okay, I'm happy, I like it, okay. But if you don't, it is okay because if you're gonna have children, you have to love them. And I'm sorry that I'm taking so much time talking about this one point, but you have to love the children that God has given you. It is important for you to love them. So, of course, God created man or mankind so that he will be able to enjoy unbroken fellowship with him, to love his kids, to enjoy him. And part of the design was that man was supposed to have co-perception and joint witness with God. God did it on purpose, he wanted man to be dependent on him. Yes, you have the power of choice, you have the power to actually be independent, like he made man in such a way that he can be independent on his own. But God said the best part of it is that you should be dependent on me. Do you understand? No matter how much how much older your kids have grown, you want them to be able to call you if you if you love kids and if you love your children, you want them to be able to call you at the times that they they are in need, or they want to just talk to you, or they just want to hear your voice. You you want that. Do you understand? You want that, and that's how it is. So they're still to some extent dependent on you emotionally or for moral support, or anyhow. Do you understand? So God never intended, He gave us everything to be able to make the perfect government, the perfect uh countries, the perfect uh situations and circumstances, and families, and jobs, and opportunities, and so on and so forth. But that does not mean that he's saying you should do it independently of him, he wants to be part of your life in a proper relationship with you, and that's the reason why he made man like that. So the design was that man was supposed to have co-perception or a joint witness with God, but before the fall, Adam and Eve, like we know, they lived in the garden of Eden, they experienced this harmonious co-perception with God, even if it was just short-lived. Their spirits were aligned with the Spirit of God, they enjoyed intimate communion with Him. How do I know? Because the Spirit of God was always coming into the garden to visit them, all right? And this joint witness of two consciences allowed them to understand God's will and for them to walk in obedience and to experience the fullness of God's blessing. So, in other words, in the pre-fall state, the conscience of man was in perfect harmony with the conscience of God or with the voice of God. Okay, for lack of a better expression, let's just say two consciences, but actually the voice of God, all right? So they shared this unified perception and they shared this unified understanding of truth, of righteousness, of love, of justice, and so on and so forth. And this was how Adam and Eve lived in perfect fellowship with God, even if it was short-lived. Okay, but we know that this harmonious relationship was disrupted. Sin entered into the world, there became a separation between man and God. The one once united conscience of man and God became fractured, man. Remember, he died, even if he didn't die physically, he died spiritually. What happened? His light dimmed, his light dimmed. It was not even so, it was not bright. See, man, you you are actually an a star, okay? So Adam was a star, so he was a bright being. So even his his spirit man was a bright being as bright as God. So you you don't see in the in Genesis where Adam is complaining that oh, the glory of God is too bright. No, no, no. He could con he could carry he could meet God, he could see it, he could experience it, and it was okay. And he was not melting away and he was not dying. But when he sinned, he was cut off from the light of God and he began to die. His light was too dim for the glory world. Ask the stars now. Once they die, what happened? Once their hydrogen center they born out of hydrogen, what happens to them? They fall, they die, they can no longer hang up there, they don't have enough light to be able to stay in the glory world, they fall to the ground. Jesus said, I beheld Satan fall like lightning from the from the sky. And it's not this physical style we're talking about, okay? So if you've been listening to DIY Salvation, you know what we're talking about. And Lucifer fell. Okay, so that was how Satan also fell. That's why we call it the fall. Satan fell, and then when he fell, his light could no longer withstand. He didn't have light again now. He's he has burnt out of hydrogen. How many days was that that he burnt out of hydrogen? And then he had to, but God in his mercy did not send him to the underworld. Because once you have you are dead, you are dead. I mean, you're cut off from the glory of God, you're dead. But God did not do that because God had a plan for redemption. That's the reason why our world is so separate, it's so different, is so special. Because anybody that's the soul that sins dies. The rest of the universe operates like that. The soul that sins dies. There's no other salvation because the stars in the skies that you're seeing, they're already advanced beings. When they die, they go straight to the underworld. That's it. Once they they sinned, they die. So, but Adam sinned. He died, he was separated from God. But guess what? God had a plan for redemption. God instead pushed him to this or this three dimensional realm, and he says, You know what? You're going to go and find out how this life is without me now. You have to now toil. There's no Choice because that's the body you have right now. In the realm of the spirit, everything was made available. Now you have no light. Now you have to struggle to be able to get a little bit light from the realm of the spirit so that you'll be able to live this physical existence here. You see? And that's why he told you. It was not like it was a castle, it was the consequences of his sin. He says, from the sweat of your brow, you're going to eat. It's going to be hard. It was not always like that. You know, in the garden, everything was available. Apart from the things that God did not freely give, there were boundaries he put, and you're supposed to respect his boundaries in his garden, don't you think? But no, he didn't respect the boundaries and he was evicted. Okay? So now in this evicted world, now he's now he has to struggle to be able to get a little bit of light so that he'll be able to survive in this world. And therefore, the once united consciences of man and God became fractured, and man's perception became darkened, and this left a vacuum, and he became blind to his spiritual reality. He was now all about what we will eat, what we will drink, where we will live, the pride of life, the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and so on and so forth. Alright. In the next episode, we're going to look at the dynamics of the joint witnesses of two consciences, but after the fall.