THE DYNAMICS OF COPERCEPTION AFTER THE FALL

In this episode, we explore why the inner life can feel like a split conversation and reveal that humans are designed for co-perception with a spiritual presence. From the Garden of Eden to Cain and Abel, we trace how spiritual connection, separation, and sin shape human experience.

Topics include:

• Co-perception as the joint witness of two consciences
• The Spirit of God speaking to the human spirit before the fall
• Separation from God as spiritual death and loss of source connection
• Life in a three-dimensional realm where the body takes preeminence
• Sacrifice as a limited way to restore access and blessing
• The serpent cast out alongside humanity and corruption entering creation
• How sin and death entered the world together as real forces
• Genesis 4: Sin “crouching” with desire for Cain
• Venom as a metaphor for how sin attaches and spreads
• The sin nature as the body that produces sinful actions
• Romans 5: Death reigns, but grace comes through Jesus Christ

We close with a preview of our next episode on Jesus’ death, burial, and resurrection, unpacking how grace overcomes sin and restores spiritual connection.

Transcript

Two Consciences And Co-Perception

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The dynamics of the joint witnesses of two consciences. This is part two. We started talking about the fact that in every single person he has the co-perception or the joint weaknesses of two consciences. And then we said that before the fall, man always had the spirit of God or God Himself with him. So that means the Spirit of God will speak to his own spirit. And if we say that the conscience is the voice of man's spirit, then of course, when the spirit of God speaks to him, then that is two consciences. So there's no time in history that man has experienced co-perception all by himself. Because he's living in a three-dimensional realm. And he has to always be man was designed to depend on God, to have a harmonious relationship with God and to depend on him. Even if he's a free moral agent, he was supposed to, or he was designed to lay down his free moral agency before God and you know be led by God. So when his relationship, his harmonious relationship with God was broken, it means that something else would take that place because he was it was his design to have the joint witnesses, witness, you know, or co-perception with a spiritual entity. Alright, so now we're going to be looking at after the fall, all right. During the period of man's fall, right, when he fell and he was chased out of the garden, you can understand that the the fall, of course, you already know this, that it meant that man became separated from God, and which is spiritual death, because God is the source of all things. Anything that is caught from him dies. When Jesus said, I am the tree and you are the branches, see, the Bible is literal. Jesus meant it literally. It's okay for you to interpret it symbolically, that still works, but it is literal. The entire universe comes from God. And when I say the entire universe, I mean the earth universe and the original heaven universe, okay, comes out of God, right? And so God is the tree. All the stars that you're seeing are leaves on uh are fruits on the tree, okay? All those branches you're seeing, the planets and all those other things are things that come out from the fruits on the trees. Do you understand? So you can understand when Jesus says, I am the tree and you are the branches. We branch out of him, we are connected to him. Our light is only light as long as it is connected to him. The moment you are separated from him, that's it. That's it. Okay, so this was what happened to Adam. He had the co-perception with God, and then sin entered, and God had to have no choice but to put him in a three-dimensional realm. Not because it was punishment. Understand this, it was because it he designed that this man will not perish instantly. In the entire universe, the soul that sinneth shall die. Did man die? Yes, but God had a plan for redemption. So instead of just allowing him, because he was already a spirit being, instead of just allowing him to perish in that state as a spirit being, what did he do? Pushed him into a three-dimensional realm and said, Stay here, you're going to go through a lot of tests and all of that, but eventually I will come and save you. And he did it like that because at the he wanted to come at the end of the age, so that he will be able to get more into the kingdom. I mean, God is very wise, he knows the reason why he decided at the time for Jesus to come, right? So now, during that period of the fall, God is gone. What happens to man? Well, God will just come to man at any point in time, you know, anytime he's free, to come and have a chat with man in the garden. Now suddenly, God was no longer there. Man had to now struggle to have a conversation with God, to have a relationship with God. He had to fast for long periods, and it was so hard. The earth beneath him was like brass. The heaven above him was had iron bars. Do you understand? Everything was shut off. So no blessings, nothing. The only way to release the blessings of the earth was to spill the blood of an animal, and which God showed him how to do it. Okay, to spill the blood of an animal, do these frequent sacrifices, and then when you do that, it means it has covered your sins. Then guess what? Blessings start to trickle in, they were not even pouring in, they're trickling in. Okay. So, anyways, after man fell from God's glory, I'm going to tell you how these dynamics played out. Alright? Remember that in the garden there was an entity that showed in the form of a snake. Remember, right? Good. Now, when man was cast into the three-dimensional realm, Adam and Eve, you know that it was not just him that was, it was just not just them that were cast, right? You know there was another being that was cast along with them, which is the words, the serpent, right? Was cast along with them because it was a physical serpent, but something else entered him and he did what he did. So God had to punish the physical serpent because he yielded his members to be used by the enemy, all right? So of course, it was not just man, he entered into so, of course, already we know that the lineage of serpents have already been tainted by just that one thing alone. Okay, now when man entered into the garden, the reason why God had to push him out of the glory world was because man already had sin and death working in him, that's his spirit being. Okay, and now he was now pushed into the three-dimensional realm. Now his body now took the preeminence because his body is king in the three-dimensional realm, the spirit is king in the glory world. Do you understand? Man has always been tripartite. There was no time that he was not tripartite, he has always been tripartite. In Genesis, you see how God created man from the dust of the earth and breathed into him, and he became a living soul. So you already see dust of the earth is the physical body, all right? Breathe into him. Ruach is the spirit being, he's the spirit, a real him. So when he breathed into him, he put the spirit into the body. The moment the spirit made contact with the body, the soul was formed. He says, Because and man became a living soul. Okay, so he has always been tripartite from the beginning. Okay, just that in the garden, because he lived in a glory world, the spirit, the glory part of him, the glorious part of him, took the preeminence, took the control. So, but the moment he was pushed into the three-dimensional realms, realm, to survive this three-dimensional realm, all these 5,000 years plus, he has to have a body. Even God Himself, to live on this earth for 30 years, had to have a body, a three physical body as well, like a three-dimensional body as well. Okay, so he was pushed into this realm. Now remember, the reason why he was pushed into this realm was because he died. Ideally, such a star, because Adam was a star, such a star should have just, you know, gone to the underworld. But God said, No, I'm going to save this one. This one is not going away. Alright? So he pushed him into a three-dimensional world. And in that three-dimensional world, his spirit man cannot really operate the way he's supposed to operate. He's now hidden inside, right? And now his body is the one that is operating on the outside. Okay? So his body, his soul, before you actually make contact with the man's body with his soul, before you even know that there was even a spirit somewhere. Do you understand? Okay, now as man entered into this three-dimensional world, again, he did not come alone. The serpent was there, but not just that, that's the corrupt line of serpents. Because all the other animals, I'm sure, they started getting corrupt over time. Because, but the corrupt line of serpents was already there. It was that one was already gone, right? But there was something else that came into the world with man at that time, even if this earth at that time was not yet corrupt, it was man who corrupted it. And I'll tell you why. So there was something else that came into the world with man at that time, and that thing that came into the world with man at that time is called sin. Then there's something else that came with sin. Sin did not come alone, sin came with something else, and that thing is called death. Now I'm going to tell you, I told you that the Bible is literal, so I want you to follow me very closely because I might not have the time to show you all the scriptures, but I'm just going to tell you so that you have this picture in your mind. And when you're reading the Bible, you can go and check these things out by yourself. Okay. Now, sin entered into the world, and death also entered with sin. So man entered into the world with sin and with what? Death. Was sin yet attached to him? Maybe not, because the reason why I say maybe not is because Cain and Abel were the first offsprings of the first man and the first woman. But obviously, Cain and Abel were not born in sin. Yes, you and I were born in sin, but Cain and Abel were not born in sin. How so? They were not born in sin because when Cain started having envious feelings towards his brother just because of the fact that God accepted his brother's offering, God came and met Cain and he said to Cain, If you did well, right, everything would have been okay. I would have commended you. I mean, I'm your father. I can commend you, I can tell you you didn't do well, but you didn't do well. Now he said to him something very curious. He said, Look now, sin lies at your door, and his desire is for you. And he says, But you shall have dominion over him. He used the word him. You can go and check it by yourself. All right. So you can find that in Genesis chapter 4, verse 7. So if you look at the word crouches, sin crouches at the door, it gives the picture of a rope. Okay? A rope that is just lying at the door. But the way he the that word lieth at the door means you it's like he's crouching like a predator. A predator that is looking at him, wanting to devour him. What is sin? Let me tell you, when I was trying to figure out these things, you know, and I was praying and fasting, and then at one point I said, God, you need to show me what this really means. Because why? A very curious statement like that made at the beginning of the book. It means that God is trying to point out something. Okay? So God showed me instantly, and it looked funny because he showed me Venom. Spider-Man's relationship with Venom. If you remember, that's the picture that came to me. Flashed. I thought it was like maybe, maybe it's just my mind or something. So I left, I left it. I didn't want to think about it again. And do you know that this picture flashed three times before me? Venom and Spider-Man. How Venom, you know, was lying and waiting, you know, for Spider-Man to be, you know, uh have some negative emotions and some bad energy. And then he, you know, pounces on him. So all this while he's been eyeing him. Are you getting? While he's lying down on the floor, he's nothing. You get he's nothing. He's just a blob of something, you know, that is jelly. He's nothing, right? But the moment his Spider-Man is triggered, what happens? He jumps on him. And the more Spider-Man is triggered, the more he spreads all around his body. Okay, if I'm not remembering it correctly, please let me know because it's been many, many, many, many years, you know, that I last saw this. All right. So the more he does that until the point that when he got so, you know, into his emotions and he allowed the thing to take over him, and venom took over him, and Spider-Man is no longer a red Spider-Man, he's now a black Spider-Man. Curiously, it was the sound of the tower, the bell at the church tower. Do you understand, that could remove venom from Spider-Man? Is it curious that it is a church that could save Spider-Man from venom? Do you think it's just curious? Hollywood knows a lot of things. Remember that this world, Satan is the prince of this world. So this current world system that all of us are running, we are going to school, we're doing this, we're doing that, was all designed by Satan and his cohorts to be able to control the people. But God doesn't mind. Why? Because he can use anything and anyone to advance his purposes. Now, Satan, where did he learn how to the idea of nationhood and how to get countries and get people and all of that? Do you think that the whole world is not organized? Satan himself is a prince. That's what the Bible says. He's a prince. That means he has always had nations that he controlled. This is how God created the entire universe. Everything is organized. Everything is organized. And if you go to the underworld, I told you, you think that the underworld is that catascated. Even Jesus testified and said, if truly I was healing you by Belzebub, then the kingdom of Satan is catascatter now. Like, I mean, it's not organized, they are working against themselves. That means Jesus was saying that on the norms, they don't work against themselves. That's what Jesus is saying. That it's organized. They know their rankings and they follow them. Do you understand? So Satan is the God of this world and set the entire world system in place, you know. So when you you are born and you enter into the world system, it's already in place, so you just flow with it. Not a problem. God has a way also of delivering you from the X. Because while it looks good on the surface, right, if you look underneath it, you find that a lot of nasties are going on. And it was the system was only designed to deceive us. So, like I was telling you about venom, right? This is how sin was lying, crouching at the door. Sin was not yet part of Cain and Abel. Was it part of Adam and Eve as at that time? I don't know. The Bible has not told us, right? If you read the first and second book of Adam, you find that maybe not, because you see that Adam was fasting for a long time, fasting, fasting, fasting, hoping that God would come and deliver him from the scorching sun under beneath his feet. So him and his wife, they kept on fasting and fasting and fasting. They were fast standing. They could stand for weeks without sitting down, without lying down. He could even stand in a bowl of water so that he would not sleep for weeks. And that was the kind of fasting he was doing, so that God would deliver him from this wretched world because the world was too wretched for him. Imagine him coming from the glory world. So he wanted to go back and he didn't want to be here. But of course, he had to be here. He had to find a way. After like weeks of fasting, he now decided, you know what, we have to find a will. Let's look for how we are going to build house. Let's look for how we're going to make the food to eat and so on and so forth. So we know that the first time that we see sin as a being, you know, not a humanoid being. The Bible says he's a he, but he was not humanoid. Alright? An animal can be a he, but he's not humanoid. You get? So he's a he, he's not humanoid. But he was lying down, crouching, and his desire was for Cain. And Cain was supposed to have dominion over it. But did Cain have dominion over it? No. Because the very next verse, verse 8, you see that Cain went and had a talk with his brother. And in that talk, he slew his brother. So that means that Cain could not fight it. And then Venom jumped up on him. Sin jumped on him and took over him. Now, when that sin jumps upon the spirit of a man and takes over him, the spirit of the man is no longer the glorious spirit that came from God. It becomes what the Bible calls the body of sin or the sin nature. That's where I'm going to. That is the sin nature. I know you have always tried to figure out what is the sin nature. So there is sin that is a being. When the sin that is a being, that is a symbiote, understand this. Sin is a symbiote being. But the problem is that the moment he gets onto the human host, he takes over if you let him. So he jumped on Cain and took over. Because there's no way Cain knows how to kill. It is not in his DNA. He has never seen anybody do it before, but he killed a man. How? Sin nature. Alright? Now, Abel died. Cain had the sin nature. When Seth was born, as at the time that Seth was born, I have reason to believe that Adam and Eve had also had the sin nature as well. By then, they had taken it, they had allowed it, they fought for it, they fought it maybe, and then they took it. How do I know? Because Seth was born in sin. And since then, all of us are born in sin. So understand this. The primordial beings or Cain was the first person that the Bible records that this thing jumped on him. Alright? And he was able to, and it changed his DNA. If a man has a body of sin, okay, the primordial beings didn't have it. They're not supposed to have it, but they sinned, and then of course it jumped on them. Now, when they have children, the children they give birth to all come out with the body of sin. Do you see? This is why Satan needed to corrupt Adam. Because if he corrupts the first man, he has corrupted everybody else. So every single one of us were born with that sin nature. There was no sin lying or crouching at our doors, wanting to jump in. It was already there. We're born like you were his children. Do you understand? We were the children of this symbiote that is that has that has a host now. And that is how we're all born in darkness. That thing is so black that it covers it, it covers the entire spirit. That's how the Bible says, when that covering goes, you will know. So during this period now, what happens to man? Man now had the co-perception with the sin nature. And then the sin nature is different from sin, remember? And sin itself is different from the devil. The devil is the king of all. So when the devil comes to talk to man now, he already has his child. Like man is already his child. How? Because he had the sin nature. Did you get? So every time he's talking. Talking to the sin nature, the sin nature is saying the things that Satan would naturally say. Do you understand? So again, I told you that man has never in history had just one conscience speaking to him. So now we now see Satan and we see the sin nature. And the co-perception of these two consciences will resulted in man's guilty conscience, convictions, accusations, and condemnation. Man could never be enough. Romans chapter 5, verse 12. For as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned. That's the reason why you now know that sin before God, being sinful before God, was a nature thing. It was not because of an act that you did. Alright? Now, let's look at let's take a look at the character of sin, just so that you know. Sin in the Old Testament, the first thing is a symbiote. It has no power unless it is attached to a host. Okay? And it is referred to as a he. So he's a malevolent being that is not humanoid. He has desires to attach to a host, especially the first men or the people that are still shining a little bit with glory. Man could have ruled over him because God told Cain, you shall rule over him. And even right now, you can still rule over sin in your life. That's what I'm trying to explain to you. Right? Man could have ruled over him. Man has the authority to rule over sin, but no, he fell to sin. So in Genesis chapter 4, verse 8, we see that Cain talked with his brother, Abel, his brother. That Cain that talked with his brother was no longer the glorious or a little bit glorious Cain, right? He now has allowed the symbiote to attach to him, and now he had become the body of sin. That's how he was able to kill. So we now see that the human spirit that is at that allows sin to attach to him, and by sin attaching to him, by reference, death also attached to him. And by reference, allowing sin and death to attach to him also allows Satan to control him. This is what the Bible calls the old man or the sin nature or the body of sin. The action of sin only comes to play after this is already complete. Are you seeing it now? The action of sin only comes to play after this is already complete. So we see in Romans chapter 5, verse 14, nevertheless, death reigned afterwards, from Adam to Moses. Death even reigned over them that had not sinned. That's they did not have the action of sin. And it reigned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him who that was to come. So death reigned over everyone. Everyone now had the body of sin, even though they did not sin Adam's sin. But in Romans chapter 5, verse 15 says, Not as the offense, so also is the free gift. For if through the offense of one person many be dead. Now, understand this. Since then, everybody who had the body of sin, they are all walking dead. He now says, Much more the grace of God and the gift of grace, which is by one man Jesus Christ, has abounded to many, for the judgment by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offenses unto justification. For if by one man's offense death reigned by one, much more they which receive abundance of grace and the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one Jesus Christ. The next episode we're going to talk about how these dynamics played out after the death, the burial, and the resurrection of Jesus.