You Are The Magic
You Are the Magic helps high achievers reignite their passion by tapping into the power they already possess—without adding more hustle to their plate. Hosted by Christine DeHerrera, a seasoned business coach, PR pro, and writer with over 20 years of experience, each episode blends mindset, strategy, and a dash of woo so you can create success that lights you up and makes your wildest dreams feel like your new normal.
You Are The Magic
From Behind the Camera to the Center of Her Brand: Jama Pantel on Confidence and Visibility
From Behind the Camera to the Center of Her Brand: Jama Pantel on Confidence and Visibility
How does an introverted photographer become a bold personal brand—and an influencer for a billion-dollar running company? In this grounded and empowering conversation, Christine sits down with Jama Pantel, portrait photographer, brand strategist, podcast host, and quiet powerhouse helping women own their presence on camera and in life.
Jama shares how confidence isn’t a feeling you wait for—it’s something you build through action. From a pivotal moment in her teenage years that clarified the legacy she wanted to leave, to stepping into the spotlight herself, Jama walks us through what it actually takes to show up, especially when it feels vulnerable.
You’ll hear how she guides high-achieving women to move past self-doubt, embrace their stories, and create branding that feels as powerful as it is personal. This episode is a must-listen if you’ve ever wondered how to build a magnetic brand without performing, pretending, or pushing yourself past your limits.
This episode will change how you think about confidence—and how you build it, one small step at a time.
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Christine DeHerrera: 0:04
Welcome to You Are the Magic! We have an incredible guest today with us, and that is Jama Pantel. She is a personal branding expert and portrait photographer who's been voted one of the best photographers in Austin for multiple years. The thing that's funny is Jama used to be the one behind the camera, only helping everyone else look confident, powerful and magnetic in their photos, but she saw a pattern– that even the most accomplished women struggled to fully own their presence. They told her things like I hate being on camera or I don't like how I look in pictures, and that's when she realized something–we're all born with confidence, but that it gets buried under doubt, comparison and the pressure to shrink ourselves. But confidence isn't lost. It's still there and it's time to get it back now. She helps high-achieving women step into their confidence, master their presence in photos and videos, and build a personal brand that commands attention. Welcome to You Are the Magic, Jama.
Jama Pantel: 1:07
Thank you so much. I'm excited to be here and happy to be here.
Christine DeHerrera: 1:10
Yeah, I think we're going to have a really good time. You and I share a lot of common interests and values. We met in a podcasting class that we're still in, actually, and that's been just really, really fun to learn how to podcast and then be in a group of amazing women, including you.
Jama Pantel: 1:40
Yeah, it's been such an experience and I don't regret any of it. It's learning as we go and having support from other incredible women who are going through the same thing, and it's been the best part of all of this to me too.
Christine DeHerrera: 1:57
I wanted to get my podcast off the ground for a long time, but being in this program with the support of all these amazing women is what actually finally made it happen, and so I will be singing the praises of group programs filled with amazing women forever.
Jama Pantel: 2:15
Absolutely. I second that in every aspect of my business. It was always when I got in a group with other people that I was able to achieve that thing. That seems so far away and then all of a sudden, there it is.
Christine DeHerrera: 2:31
I did it. It's not that hard. I did it, we're doing it, I love it all right. Well, I’ve got to get us going here because we have so many things I want to talk about, because you're just a wealth of knowledge in a lot of areas and so obviously you're an amazing portrait photographer. You've been doing this a really long time, but what made you start that? Because you're multifaceted, but what made you focus on photography?
Jama Pantel: 2:54
So I have loved photography for many, many years. I grew up in a really small town in South Texas and it was one of those things where my family had always been documented– my mom and my grandfather, my dad's dad, always had cameras, and so there are pictures of me pretty much from the day I was born, which was probably rare in the seventies. So there's me in front of the Christmas tree at two weeks old. So I'd always been around photography. I too took an interest in it. My parents got me my first Polaroid camera in junior high and, the sponge of knowledge that I was, I wanted to know how a picture developed from that little thing, and I literally sliced it apart and opened it up and realized there were chemicals inside said picture. Oh my gosh, and that's how pictures were made back in the day. And so in my small little town you're involved with everything right. And so not only was I a band nerd, I was a jock, I was, you know, straight A, honor roll, I was everything. So I got into journalism and photography, so I learned in the darkroom and how to take proper pictures and all the things, and so I just loved it. What really made me want to run with it.
Jama Pantel: 4:04
My senior year of high school, my grandmother passed away and at her request she was laid to rest with a family portrait of my family. My dad was an only child, so we were her world. I recognized in that moment how important pictures are. When we lose somebody, it's that lasting, something that we can hold on to. And when you hold a picture in your hands, in an album, you see them on the wall, all the things–it jogs your memory every time and you're taken back to that moment in time and it really is a legacy that you're leaving behind for somebody else. And that's what drew me to taking pictures of people and not just things. I wanted to be able to create those legacies for others.
Christine DeHerrera: 4:47
Wow, that is so powerful. And I wonder, in this digital age where people don't have as many actual photographs– you've got beautiful photography on your wall. Do you think, obviously, obviously we're going to keep taking digital photos, but what is? How does that play into things? Because there is something really special about a physical photo.
Jama Pantel: 5:15
So when I started, there was no such, there was no digital. Everything was prints, and so you got physical prints of everything, and so I have prints of my entire life. I'll say it again, I have prints of my entire life, and I have these albums I can flip through. I loved presenting my stuff in college. I would mount it and I would matte it and I would do the whole presentation, versus some people would just turn in a picture or something. And so I loved the presentation of it all and having something that I could give as a gift or hang up on the wall, and so I then switched to digital eventually, like everybody else, and fell into the trap of just giving a disc away. Years later everybody would come back to me.
Jama Pantel: 5:55
I never printed it and there you have it. You can give this stuff and then nobody ever prints them and you lose them. The disc fails, all the things. Now my clients get printed work. Albums and wall art are two of my most popular products that people purchase. Even those who come in for headshots usually end up with a piece of wall art for their office.
Christine DeHerrera: 6:18
That totally makes sense to me because, again, like being able to see something every day and to have that tactile, I feel like, as much as I love all things digital, the tactile nature of things is so helpful and creates a whole different experience around it.
Jama Pantel: 6:35
Yeah, it does. It's like a whole different experience around it. Just seeing the look on people's faces when they're looking through an album or when they open up something is one of the most touching things for me as the artist. To see the smile on their face when they're seeing this, and I know how they'll feel years from now. Same way I feel when I go back and look at these albums of my first year. It'll jog their memory years from now and even those who don't think they want it now will come to love it later, and I know how important that is.
Christine DeHerrera: 7:04
Definitely, definitely Well speaking of digital and long-term projects, you're not only a photographer you are a personal brand expert. How did that journey start for you?
Jama Pantel: 7:18
I guess it's multifaceted, right. So in the beginning of my career, you photograph everything and you do everything, and then you get to the point of I don't enjoy everything and there are certain things you enjoy. And I really, really love the idea of telling stories for business owners. Specifically most of my clients are women in business and being able to tell their story for their business and how everything kind of ties in together. It's not just a pretty image, right, a lot of you can take a pretty image, but it's the story of your business and so there's so much imagery that is involved with every step of this. So it's not just a logo, it's not just this, it's all ties in together.
Jama Pantel: 8:00
So what do you want people to think of when they see you? What do you want them to feel, what do you want them to know about what you do? And all of this ties together. And I love that. The storytelling aspect of it, especially for smaller businesses.. You have your big businesses like Coca-Cola, Nike, things that everybody knows, likes and trusts right? But if you're an individual person or a small business, you have to get yourself out there where people know, like and trust you and that comes from your story and that is what your brand is and that's how you get yourself out there into the world to get clients.
Christine DeHerrera: 8:37
Yes, you are speaking my language. I mean, storytelling is, probably the most, my most favorite part of my business, and it has been since the beginning. And I think nowadays it's even more important because there's just so much noise everywhere. But your story is, and in every aspect, like your visual story, your actual stories, it's what connects you with your people, and so we have to get comfortable putting those stories out there and all of the ways. So for somebody that has been busy running their business and now they're thinking about, okay, I'm going to expand my personal brand and start to draw an audience in maybe a different way than what they did to get their business off the ground, what kind of challenges do you see that people have during that time?
Jama Pantel: 9:27
So the biggest challenge is having the confidence to put your face out there. So for me, for instance, I was behind the camera all the time. I put nothing but finished, polished work out into the world, and it becomes stagnant. You have your loyal friends or family who will like everything, but you don't grow an audience this way. It's when you start putting yourself out there, or what you're doing to get to this point out there, that things begin shifting, and that's how people really get to know what you do, learn your expertise, learn your knowledge, learn everything that goes into this, and they see it in a new light. And so having the confidence to show up and put yourself out there and tell that story in a different way than what you thought it would be, is the hardest part. Having the confidence to show up and put yourself out there as your business, as your name, as your brand.
Christine DeHerrera: 10:30
Yeah, I completely relate to that because in my publicity business I was the one behind the scenes. So putting myself out in front now is a little out of my comfort zone, just from so many years of being in the back of the business, if you will. Since you're running into this with your clients, what advice do you have for those that are like, oh, I want to do this, I really want to do this, but also it's scary?
Jama Pantel: 10:57
A huge part of what works for me and how I'm able to disarm people, because I hear that a lot– working with you is so easy. I am terrified to be in front of the camera. Then I get to know you and I forget that I'm in front of the camera. So you have to disarm people somehow. I was in the studio earlier this morning and that's what was said. You were so disarming, thank you for this. So I get that over and over again.
Jama Pantel: 11:19
I cannot perform if a camera is put in my face without knowing the person behind it. When you are in front of the camera, you are truly seen, and that's what is so scary about it. So I like talking to my clients. I go to their house, I go through their closet with them to help them find the clothing that goes with their brand, that goes with their messaging, that goes with everything they're trying to put out there, and so by the time they are in the studio or whatever location we're photographing at, they know me like we're old friends.
Jama Pantel: 11:46
We've shared stories, we've shared laughs, we've shared like I'm uncomfortable with this, that or the other. And I ask. If you don't ask, you don't know. And then they end up not liking them and I don't nitpick at their flaws, but I know they do. I know they will,and so I want to nip that in the bud and fix that prior to them ever being able to pick themselves apart is what I aim to do. And you do that by clothing, posing, lighting, all the things photography related, visually related to it, and you can do all of that. So I get to know them, I get to know their fears, I get to know their goals, their dreams, what they're hoping to achieve, and so then, by the time they are in front of the camera, we're all friends laughing and having a good old time, and it makes it so much easier that way.
Christine DeHerrera: 12:36
I love that and thinking of building your personal brand or getting your photo shoot done as a longer process versus just I'm getting it done and I'm putting it out there. And there's obviously a time in our business when we have to do those things for sure, absolutely. But the internet is constantly telling us do it all right now. And everything you said about how you help your clients become comfortable with you and in front of the camera and focused on the positive things that they love about themselves, we need to do this for ourselves as we're going through our day and and in our own work, right? Focusing on what do I love about what am I doing right this minute. And again, the internet just wants to tell us to hurry up all the time.
Jama Pantel: 13:22
Yeah, yes, and that we're never good enough and so slow down, take a step back. Look at it as the big picture. Look at somebody you like and admire. You're not nitpicking them apart or their image or anything like that. You're only doing that to yourself. Why are we only doing that to ourselves? Stop doing that to ourselves, because we're not doing it to our friends. We're not doing it to any other person we see out there that we admire. We're grateful for their messaging, what they have to say and what they're doing, not how they look.
Christine DeHerrera: 13:55
Right, oh my gosh, I love that, I love that and just having that in our mind all day long about how we need to be nicer to ourselves and gentler on ourselves. Because if the people you're working with, andI'm sure are very similar to some of the people I'm working with, we're working hard and wanting to help people and make the world a better place, one person at a time, so we have to start with ourselves.
Jama Pantel: 14:21
Absolutely and that's true and it's huge and I try to shift that as what messaging am I trying to put out there? And of course I know that if I look confident on camera I'm going to feel more confident. And so that's why I know lighting, posing and having high quality imagery plays into that. Of course we want to put our best face out there, always, because in the digital age, judgment is made in a split second and as much as I don't like that, people are judging you in that split second. I know they are, we all know they are. I don't know the number of times I've been told people have Googled me. They're like oh, do you have a successful photography business? I'm like how did you know? Because that is what I've put out in the world. So when you Google me, that's what you get on pages and pages of Google, and it was specifically done like that for a reason.
Christine DeHerrera: 15:10
Right, oh, that makes so much sense. Well, along these same lines, like in your podcast, one of my favorite episodes is the introvert advantage, and so could you talk a little bit more about that and how you came to realize that that's a superpower, because I think this is something that can just help so many people.
Jama Pantel: 15:29
Yeah, absolutely so. I feel like the biggest advantage of an introvert is their ability to listen. Most of the time, introverts tend to be empathetic, and they can feel and put themselves in everybody else's situation. I used to never talk or have trouble talking the way I do now. It's been a work in progress that I have specifically challenged myself to do, to get to the point where I can do this. So it didn't always come across that way. I would go to these big networking events in the industry and I would be sitting in a corner by myself. I'm comfortable and confident with my back up against the wall and I am grateful for the experts who would come to me.
Jama Pantel: 16:13
It was creating those one-on-one relationships and digging deep and asking them questions and getting to know them and getting to know their troubles, their fears, their likes or dislikes and all the things, and being able to do it in a smaller environment versus the bigger environment, which some people shine in, that I, as an introvert, never did. I always shine in a small group of people I trust. That's when I start opening up. And being able to listen and understand what everybody else is going through. And having a solution for you after hearing all of this is really, really helpful, Just being able to listen to others and understand and feel what they're feeling so you can help them with whatever it is.
Christine DeHerrera: 17:02
Yeah, I love that the ability to really hear somebody and have a true conversation where you're really getting to know each other, versus just talking about fluff or whatever.
Jama Pantel: 17:16
I say I cannot do small talk. If I'm having a conversation with you, I want to know. Maybe I'm nosy, I don't know, but I want to know more. I want to know why you think that way or what's going through your head to make you think that or feel that or experience that. Or why do you want this? Or what's in here that makes it whatever it is you want out there?
Christine DeHerrera: 17:38
Exactly, and I would imagine that that's been so helpful in your business, because your clients are getting in front of the camera and having to really be their most vulnerable selves, so that completely makes sense. So some people might think, oh, Jama’s an introvert; she would never be an influencer. But surprise! She was a badass influencer for a billion dollar company. Tell me how that started and how did that help you both in your business and how did being an introvert play into that actually?
Jama Pantel: 18:18
That's a fair, very fair question, something I never thought I would be do, but it was at the insistence of a photographer friend, a very extroverted photographer friend, who is one of my favorite people to this day. So running has always been part of my brand. When I got on social media day one, I knew the certain things I was comfortable sharing, and running was always one of those, because I can correlate anything running related to business related and it's something I've been doing for 30 some odd years, just like photography. And I have been very loyal to a certain brand for 20 years of running shoes, and so I always recommended them and she's like you should really be a run influencer for this brand. And I was like what? Huh? She's like here, here's the thing, do it, fill it out and do it. And I had no clue. And on a whim, I filled it out and, crazy enough, I got accepted out of the thousands and thousands of people who want to do this. I was one of the lucky couple hundred who got picked. I had no clue what I was getting myself into. I knew I liked running and I liked this brand. And so began the journey of a very crazy wild ride. I didn't put myself out there. I'd talk about what I did. I'd talk about running, but I wasn't in front of the camera all that much.
Jama Pantel: 19:43
I slowly started experimenting. Then one day I was asked for some images. I gave [the brand] some images. I didn't get credit for these images and it really upset me and I went back and looked at my contract and was like, okay, they don't have to give me credit, cool, okay. Well then, guess what? My face is gonna be in everything! If the picture's there, you're gonna know who took it! This girl right here! So I started doing it. And this is the advice I give people–nobody ever has to see it to get comfortable. You do something over and over again. Nobody has to see it. Nobody has to see these pictures. Nobody has to see these videos. Nobody has to see this. But you do it over and over again until it becomes habit, much like running or health or anything. You just do it over and over again until it becomes habit. And I did it over and over again, until it became habit.
Christine DeHerrera: 20:31
I love that Again. I think a lot of times, especially with things social media related, it's easy to just try something a couple times and say, oh, it didn't work or oh, the algorithm or whatever it might be, but really it's learning how to do it, getting super comfortable doing it. So that makes sense. Yeah, you're really good at showing up now.
Jama Pantel: 20:56
I got very good at it. Yes, you're absolutely right. I came in at a time where they had had this influencer program but they'd never done anything in person because it was COVID. So I got to go to, I believe it was their very first run camp. I was new to this team, versus other people had been doing it for a year or two. So I just show up in Utah. They would take us to a run camp once a year and so my first year it was Utah. You know they put us up in a hotel, feed us and do all these coordinated running activities and it's a great time. And who in their forties gets to do stuff like this? Still to this day it blows my mind that I had these opportunities to do this.
Jama Pantel: 21:42
I was in Utah early and so I met up with a smaller group of people who'd been doing it before. We all meet up for coffee first morning and I'm over here sipping my coffee and they're like wait, we have to create content. I'm like what? I just want my coffee. It's always creating content, always creating content, which was so unfamiliar to me.
Jama Pantel: 22:02
There were times at this thing where literally everybody's sitting around on their phone and not engaging in real life, so it was a learning curve.
Jama Pantel: 22:11
It was a huge learning curve for me and it was like, oh, tag me in that, because I didn't take pictures, because I was in the middle of the experience. However, I knew that my job was also to create content, and so it was learning to do this and that was so helpful for me to put myself out there. It was so much easier to do for this big company that the world knows, likes and trusts already, right? I mean they have a marketing team and they're like, here's some things that work. But being surrounded by all these people who are also doing it, you don't feel weird doing it. When you're out in public, yet everybody's doing it, and it gets you more comfortable doing this to where now I can go out in public by myself and record something and not give a second thought to who's this girl doing that? And so it became practice and habit.
Christine DeHerrera: 23:02
Any tips for somebody who is just starting on their content journey, because all of us are doing interesting things all day. It doesn't have to be big and exciting. It can just be the small things, and those not in that mindset yet think we have to do something cool, like, I need to go do my own video shoot somewhere fancy. So maybe some tips for starting right where you are, in your house, in your office, that would be really helpful.
Jama Pantel: 23:36
That is exactly it. When you think about business owners, everybody sees the highlight reels of what we do, and so, as a photographer, I am not out photographing every single day. That's not practical. So the majority of my time is spent marketing right? So marketing is sitting at a computer working on search engine optimization or recording a podcast, like how exciting is that? It's not.
Jama Pantel: 23:57
However, you're on your computer a lot, or I know so many people love co-working spaces or coffee shops or working in all these different spaces. So literally take your computer, set it up and record yourself doing it. That's all it takes. You can set up a little tabletop tripod and just record yourself doing it behind the scenes. Again, nobody has to see any of this content. You just get comfortable doing it over and over again until you are comfortable looking at yourself. Play these videos back. Listen to the sound of your voice. Get comfortable seeing yourself. Again, it becomes habit when you do it to where you are comfortable enough to put it out there. I wasn't comfortable day one when I did this.
Jama Pantel: 24:41
I was awkward. It was all the things that everybody else feels. I was all of that. And then when you're standing at the start line of a race and somebody comes up to you and says, “Aren't you a run influencer with this brand?” It's mind boggling. That's so cool. It's crazy being at these things and people recognizing you for what you were doing was the most mind blowing aspect of it, because they feel they know you and these are people you've never met before and they feel like they know you.
Jama Pantel: 25:14
I was lucky that I had this billion dollar brand and all these people surrounding me to do it and it made it so much easier for me. I know not everybody has that right, but when you think about that and translate it into your business, people have to know, like and trust you to want to work with you. So how do they get to do that? They learn through your story and your imagery and putting it out there. And so, again, I got lucky in the fact that I had hundreds of people around me doing it and that helped me get comfortable with it. But do it with your friends, right?
Jama Pantel: 25:47
You have your core group of friends. What do y'all do together? Record it. Get comfortable. Ask your friends, be like, hey, this is what I'm trying to do. Nobody's gonna tell you no. They're going to help you. They're going to support you. That's where I started doing it in my business. Having my friends there to help me do this in my own business and create that know, like and trust factor from my own brand and not somebody else's brand.
Christine DeHerrera: 26:18
Yeah, I love that. Because everybody starts at the beginning and I think sometimes we forget that. And, yes, maybe some people are more naturally gifted in a particular way. But mostly, especially when it comes to creating content for social media, or long form content like this podcast, it's just a matter of doing it day in and day out and and getting comfortable. As we get comfortable, that's where the confidence comes, and that confidence does come through all of the content, even written content. So this is such an important skill. Is there anything else I haven't asked you about confidence, because you're kind of the confidence queen.
Jama Pantel: 27:00
If you think about confidence, if someone other than you kept making promises to you, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that, and said this over and over again, and you think they're going to do it right? But if they never do it and they just keep coming back and coming back with these promises, you're eventually going to stop trusting them and stop trusting what they're saying. So why would you expect to have confidence in yourself if you keep saying I'm going to show up, or I'm going to do this, or I'm going to do that, and you never follow through on it? So start with yourself and start within. Confidence isn't just a mindset thing, right? It's a track record. So it's not built on wishes or future plans or manifesting anything. It's built on what you actually do. So repeat it over and over again today, tomorrow, the next day, and keep showing up for yourself until there's no doubt in your mind that you've got this, that you are the expert. Don't break your own trust. Show up for yourself is what you have to do.
Christine DeHerrera: 27:58
I love that because self-trust, I think, is maybe the most important foundation for anything we're doing, and especially women. We have so many things on our plate all the time. It's easy to want to slide ourselves over and say, oh, I'll do that later. I'll do that later or tomorrow, and I think you're exactly right. Just the smallest step towards what we're working on makes such a huge difference and you're 1000% right. After you do that enough times, it’s like I'm a badass.
Jama Pantel: 28:30
And that's all it is. Show up for yourself. And again, I can correlate anything and everything to running, because I've been doing it just as long. And it's the same thing in running, you don't become this marathoner on day one. You work towards this over and over again, and it's the consistency and showing up on the bad days, on the good days, on the whatever days. It's not going to always be perfect, but it's going to make you stronger. And it's going to make you stronger and it's going to make you trust yourself that you can do it. It's as simple as that. Nobody else is going to do the work for you. You have to do it yourself, and it's that simple.
Christine DeHerrera: 29:13
I agree. I mean, it's great to have goals and be manifesting things and I believe in all of the things, but you have to take those actual steps in the real world.
Jama Pantel: 29:18
So important, yes, and taking those action steps and they don't have to be these huge things. Set something small and achievable and build up your confidence to that. And, like I said, that's recording yourself, that's taking pictures of yourself, that's getting comfortable seeing yourself over and over and taking a step back and not nitpicking at yourself, but accepting yourself for who you are and what you have to offer. Because ultimately, it is what you're trying to offer to the world that has value. And so if you're nitpicking the way you look and all of these things, it's going to show and your lack of confidence is going to show and you're not going to be able to achieve X, Y, Z whatever it may be that you're trying to get out there. Yeah. So you have to have that internal confidence, that quiet confidence in yourself to keep showing up for yourself to do it.
Christine DeHerrera: 30:05
Yeah, I think that's exactly right. I mean, there was so much wisdom in those last three sentences. Listen to that over and over and over again, because that's how it gets done for sure. So tell everybody where they can find you and the name of your podcast and where to find it, and tell them all the things. And I'll put all of these links in the show notes, so don't worry.
Jama Pantel: 30:26
Absolutely. So I do have a unique name, so it's never hard to get my name Jama Pantel. Jama Pantel is the website. Jama Pantel is the social media. Jama Pantel is the YouTube. The podcast is Living the Whole Picture, because I want to stress that it's not just one thing, it's the whole picture that creates this whole brand that we're working on building and putting out into the world. It's not just one little thing, it's the whole picture.
Christine DeHerrera: 30:59
Yeah, I love it and it's one of my favorite podcasts to listen to. Every time a new episode comes out, I'm like, yes, I'm ready, hit me Jama. Let's go. Yes.
Jama Pantel: 31:10
And if you need more guidance, and if you're a person who likes to read, my experience as a run influencer actually helped me when I was asked all the questions. I put out an ebook, Picture This, which is quick tips for social media portraits and they apply to any type of portrait. The book talks about not only the aspect ratios of all the different places there are to put your images, but how to do the lighting and do the posing and do all the things to help you get comfortable. That resource can also be found on my website under photo resources.
Christine DeHerrera: 31:50
I mean, okay, I love to read and those tips would be good for all of us.
Jama Pantel: 31:58
Yeah, that was my thought behind it. After getting asked so much how do your pictures look better if you're doing the same things we are? And it's like because I understand composition and I understand lighting and I understand posing and all of that makes you feel more confident when you can do that, when you know how to do that.
Christine DeHerrera: 32:14
Exactly. I mean, there is a skill to these things and they can be learned, even if we don't want to become professional photographers ourselves, just learning how to compose the scene of your picture. That is something a person could learn, and so, oh my gosh, that's so exciting. I will put the link for the ebook in the show notes as well, because I feel people could really get a lot of value out of that. I am so glad you were here. Thank you so much. I look forward to having you back again.
Jama Pantel: 32:44
Absolutely, this was fun. I really appreciate this and, as you know, I love this. Conversations like this make me happy. This excites me.
Christine DeHerrera: 32:52
Me too. That's the whole fun of having a podcast, right? We get to talk to cool people!
Jama Pantel: 32:57
Yes, exactly, it's the best part and learn from people who know things that you don't know, and that's what it's all about– always be learning, always be growing exactly.
Christine DeHerrera
Well, thank you again and just remember, you are the magic.