I Don't Dream of Labor

Do we dream of labor? NO. have we worked a billion different jobs in our lives? YES. let's dig into how we got here - what career path's we've meandered down and maybe even what we learned on the way!

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Hello. Hello. Hello, and welcome back to yet another episode where we sit around our dining table and talk to you about. What if we want to talk to you about, and you just have to listen. For as long as you please. Hopefully that's the entirety of the show. We'd love for you to stick around. Tell us your opinions. Share with us talking to your phone as if we're right there with you, your woes and your troubles, your. Hose in your troubles. I. I have also been forced to dress up an office attire for this episode. I was just thinking off as a tie for this episode, because we are going to be discussing my very actually no, my least favorite topic on the face of the planet. Work. employment. Ah, money-making. Moneymaking. It's got some pros. Some pros, mostly cons mostly there's only one pro money. And all of the rest of the cons that so true. Let's see, like what you do, if you like what you do, you'll never work a day in your life. It seems. Nobody wants to work these days. Imagine if Kim Kardashian was this Casa. Try it. Seems like no one wants to work these days. Get it off. Somewhere. That was good. Thanks. So nice. Nice. let's dig into our career paths. You're like, we start the podcast and you say let's dive in. And I'm like, we have a catch phrase. Like we have a title of the podcast and it is to dig in as if we're eating, but we're also digging into a topic and you just miss it every time. Why are you colors on your shirt? So big? I don't know. What is the show? I don't go to work. I don't go to work. Nice callers. Humongous. I don't have nice shirts. I don't go to work. Oh, my God. I dressed. In my pajamas and. No. have you seen that? The great Gatsby, the movie? No, you've never seen no, not the recent one that the Bri make with. Um, It's not even recent. Just covering it. Now we studied English in English, lit in college. We studied the great Gatsby. They made us watch like the seventies or the sixties movie version of the book. Sure. And Daisy, she likes, sees Gatsby's shuts for the first time. So the nicest shuts I've ever seen, which is like caressing them. That just reminded me of that. Anyway work. Let's dig in. Let's dig in. We need to have an intro, cute and show do Lilly. Should we do. If you're like, yeah. If you can comment somewhere, comment down below. I should teach you where people can comment. I don't know why to be everywhere. Okay. You can come in everywhere. Well, Actually this quite relates to work. Cause this is our job right now. This. Right now, this is our job. It is. So I'm asking you as the co customer. I guess you could be the customer, I guess you could be like the customer listener. Yeah. Yeah. The service provider or we're the bosses. They are the customer. Right now the producer and the listener. Customer. Yeah, they are consuming what we are producing creative in the consumer. They're consuming what we are producing. Then my question to you is, do you think we should have a little. Jingle a June. I think we should have a jingle. We'll find a jingle somewhere. Who could do it. I'm not going to do it. I can sing it. The police dog duty. He plays the cello. I don't know anyone else placed. It's an instrument as it'd be like, did he did it? Let's dig in with a map. The holiday, why Jack Black makes um, Make songs for mix makes the tune. Exactly. Iris and what's his face. Yep. okay. Let's get back on topic. Fuck. Okay. Work. This is how I feel about work. I don't like to talk about it. I don't like to do. Well, We made a whole episode out of it. So let's talk about where our humble beginnings were. Humble beginnings. What was your first job? Humble. Mumble. It's as humble as if I can come. A year. Was. I was 15. So when I was 16, I finished high school. That means I was, it was 2000 the year. It was 2007. Perfect. I'm gonna go to you. It was actually 2007, right before the financial crisis. For who. Everyone. I wasn't. Yeah. Pretty bad. Well That, yeah. Oh, that was pretty big. I thought it was just like, no. It was a global recession. I don't know, I wasn't very tuned into politics. I was 15, I was 15 and I was busted my ass at the restaurant. The restaurant. When you're 15. Huh? Do I know this story? Yes. As a first job. Try not. Could you shut up and let me see you. So it's the first job you asked me how I got there. I'm telling you. When you're in year. 10. Yeah. It's and when you're in year 10 at school, you have to do work experience, right? So you. There's a bunch of different places that like, Half the work experience programs, people can go into whatever career path they want to do. Like people can work in like a salon or like if they want to work at a salon, like when they're older, I was like as your one choices along. No, you can not work in like different places. you know, the lads, they worked in like a construction field, or like, I don't know. Some fucking weird ass jobs. at the time, I was like, I think I want to be a chef. Um, This is, I like have changed my career trajectory a billion times before I turned 18. So bear with me. I want it to be a chef. So was that, let me go and work in a restaurant. The original thing was supposed to be a two week work experience. Two weeks. That's it. Two week. Work experience. Yeah. Yeah. Like you go and like you work. I think we got offs. I can't remember. I think we got off school. I was 15. Oh, wow. You got off school and you'd go to work every day. The screams child labor? No, it was fully child labor. Do you. How much I paid, how much? Three pound. What's the minimum wage crazy at the time, I think below 15, it was like three pound, 50 an hour. That's crazy. Isn't it? As a 15 year old, is that even legal? It was then. Yeah. Because it was work experience. You could work. Busing tables. No, it was in the back. It was all local. I don't know, be stro. Oh. I'd call that'd be stroke. You're dressed like a, like you would be as like a server for Yeah. Okay. I, yeah, it was just like chopping vegetables in the back. That's it? Two weeks I chopped vegetables and I was like, I like it here. And they were like, you're a great worker. And I was like, they were like, you've got a face to face for the front. And I was like, no shit. So not what you wanted to do. You were trying to be a chef. Yeah. And they were like, and they were like, no, you look pretty. So be a waiter. Yeah, I worked for like, I think six months at that restaurant. And then I got fired. Oh, why? Because I called in sick. When I wasn't sick, How long did you have a job total? Six months. Oh, that's longer than I thought. Rude. You said you were there for two weeks chopping vegetables. And I was like two weeks, seven vegetables because of the work experience. That was part of the school program. And then you started. The name of the program at school. At school. They made you do. And then yeah, I got the job. So your first job was in restauranteuring. And my first job was in customer service. As a sales associate at ye old American Eagle Outfitters. First job. Yeah. That was your first job. Yeah in high school. This emphasis is going to be short because you didn't do much. I've had. Three jobs. Oh my God. Including this crazy. I feel like seven. No. So I no, I started working on American Eagle. I had to, I actually, it was like sophomore year of high school. 16. Okay. 16. I had two interviews at two places. It was Bojangles'. Or American Eagle. And you chose American Eagle. I was going to work at Bojangles. Oh, you'd be like way more obese than you already were. Yeah, exactly. We've seen the pictures. Whoa. I shopped in the Husky section of Kohl's. Yes, I was a little chubby. So no, I didn't want to do that. I also, they wouldn't let me off during like football games. Cause I had to go sing with my choir for the national Anthem at football games. They wouldn't let me offer that. So they were like, you're gonna have to work to that. And I was like, no, I want to be clear gay. I want to be in court. You're one of them queer. Yeah. He was like, no. Actually I think I I got accepted to it, but I also interviewed with American Eagle at the time. And I was like, I want to be. We're going an American Eagle because they have cool clothes. When you were in high school and someone works in retail. Oh, my fucking God. That's so cool. It was good that worked at top shop. And I was like, you are the contests person on the planet. On American Eagle. Oh, a hundred percent. American Eagle is. Cool at the time, it was like the mid ground between. Aeropostle and huh. Arab hostile. What? Aeropostle no Arab hostile. No. Arab hostile. We're not saying it wrong. Arab hostile. Yeah. Is it air fossil era. It's a clothing brown era hostile. It was like the lower tier of like the Hollister and the Abercrombie stores, Arab hostile. Not make it over there. So you were signing. Abercrombie and Hollister where the higher end. No. What the fuck are you going about? Abercrombie and Hollister with a higher end. American Eagle was the mid range. Okay. And then air Postel. No. It's a thing. It sounds like a place you'd get like value bins. Kinda. Wow. It sounds so fun. So I worked in the mid tier because I just, I think I, oh, no, I tried to get a job at Hollister. I wasn't hot enough. No. Oh my God. I once interviewed, I got, I got accepted to Allister. Thing that they. Tracy to shave your face. And it was like, Nope. So you're racist. I'm not going to do that. Save your face. I'm not going to do that. No. American Eagle took everyone very inclusive at the time. Wow. Yeah. Including you big back bitch. Okay. That's fun. Yeah. And I was a really good salesperson. I actually was the I'm looking back on it, not so proud of this moment, but I was like the highest credit card salesman. Of the American Eagle staff in Hickory, North Carolina. So you're the devil. So I'm the devil. Yes. So I got so many people in credit card debt. Yeah. Like I the percentage rate was like, oh, it's 25, 30% or something. and then it's crazy. I'd be like. So do you want 10% off of your order today? If you sign up for an American Naval credit card, you get so many points, you get so many done. But I don't know. And I was like, you're in credit card debt now. It happened to me. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I remember it was that top shop when I was 18. someone was you can get credit card to get this. Purchased 10% off. And it was like, The height is of me. Oh, my God. Wait. Wait, what's the cat. And then they like charge me and they didn't have to pay that. And everything cause they put it on the credit card. And it was like, I didn't know what was going on. So it was like, That was free. That's crazy. It's just gone and I have clothes. The money is gone the closer in my hand. I'm like, oh, like I also, I'm 18. I'm like, I want like new clothes for every night out. I was in such bad credit card debt. And then they went to collections crazy. So these are like, these collections were like, come to my house. And then my mum moved. And so did I, so I don't know why that. I don't know, happened to that. If you're listing. Credit card people. No, you're not, I don't know if your debtor is listening to this podcast. Isn't it crazy though. Yeah, that's good. Oh, so I feel like the statute of limitations. This is expired on such a thing. I don't know if that applies to these situations. What is it collection go. If you've not been. I don't like to think of, I don't live in that country anymore. Fuck off. And I don't like to think about things like that. So that's your problem. Yeah, I was really good at my job. I was a great sales employee. How long were you that full? All through high school. So three years from sophomore year, probably. And then I worked some in college, so I think five years total. I would come back. I stood at 16 sophomore year 16. 18 is when senior year when you graduate. High school. And then I would come down sometimes to work. Cause my school was close to where it was like an hour away. So I'd still come down and work sometimes on like buck Fridays, because you get double, you pay an overtime. That was so good. I was, I went to a black Friday. I was there at midnight. Until 7:00 AM. Actually, I worked a little more than eight hours. And some days, and I was like yeah, I'm here for 12 hours to do audits. Yeah. I think you come in at 5:00 AM inventory. Yeah. Everything. Yeah. The most. truly the most mundane activity human beings could possibly ever imagine to do you just stand and scan thousands of items throughout the day? Yeah. What the fuck? I learned a lot in that job. I learned to talk to people. I learned. To sell. Wow. But it's cards. I learned teamwork. Do you know what, everything that you learned at American Eagle, you're applying in your current life right now? Really? Yeah. You talk to people through your phone. On the microphone. You sell. Via Partnerships. Affiliate links. If you need immediately is. And what the hell was the other thing? Team work. I'm working with. You're working with me. Nice. Nice job. And that was my first job. And how do you even finish that? 2020 C between 20. My 15 and 20, I had 50 billion jobs. Let me them fire around them and fire them. Because I only stop at a significant one. It was a significant story to tell me all of your, have any questions in between. Please let me know. Whilst I'm going. Don't ask me afterwards because then I'll lose my train of thought. Throw them at me. Okay. I got fired from the restaurant when I was 15 going on 16. Cause I really wanted to go out. I think it was my birthday. It was close to anyway, I'd saved up quite a little bit of money. And then I got really drunk on my 16th birthday and I lost a bunch of cash. Hello carrying around and it was crazy. And I was like, maybe I need a job again. Cause I was like, you know what? I'm 16 now I'm young. I'm free. And then I want to be like crazy. And turns out was a bit too crazy. I lost a bunch of cash. I went out. I went out for that day. Yeah. When I was 16, I got wasted. And then I. Had cash in my bag. And I'm sure one of the friends wanted someone that was with. I was at like a house pie and someone that I was I'm sure, went in my bag and stolen. Yeah. Like one of your friends. Like one of your friends. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know? No. Do you know for sure. No. Yeah, I know. I know. I know that one of them did it. Oh, because well, who else would have taken it? Who else would have taken it? Hey, fuck. I love to diverged from the main thing. Then it was like, maybe I need some money. So then me and my friend, me and my friend, Rachel, we signed up to do. Like flyer delivery. At this pizza place Oh, actually all of these jobs I had with all on one road. a few doors down with this it's like pizza place. We literally went around these, this entire street and we were just like hunting out. OCBs. And then I was like, please hire us. We're so poor. And it went money to. I want money to buy alcohol. Literally the only thing I wanted money for. What else do you need money for? When you're 16 cigarettes. That's all I needed money for. What am I saying? I had my first drink at 18. All loser. Handing out flyers at a pizza shop. To get fucking cigarettes. Prior E's may menthols. Of course menthols. Hello. Fuck. Oh, my God. Ah, What do you think? I am barbaric. So I was handing out these flyers. It was really cold and I was like, this is so boring. We lasted a day. He was like, apparently the guy that threw the piece of place was driving around watching eyes and we would shove them in people's bins. Throwing them down the gut. Uh, Like into like, Gutter. Into the water system. He didn't even recycle them. No, I was fucking 16. I didn't give a shit about that. And so he saw that. So we saw that and we went over to money and he was like I'm not paying you because you didn't do any of it. There was no flies at any of the houses that we asked you to put flyers out. And so it was like you only had to put them. You'd have to give them to anyone. Did you have to give them to. You just had to push them around and just put them through people's letterboxes and you could've gotten money for your cigarettes and you just decided not to. I when we were stopped. I know, but then we got fired for that. So it didn't make it the day. Again, I'm 16 and I was really Tom did I have another job after that? I don't think I. Oh, no. The store. How did you know that? Because I know how did you. I know your histories and then further up the same street. I've seen this. At the same road. I worked at the co-op like, It's like a convenience store, grocery store kind of thing. And I worked there for quite a bit and I made some good friends and I kind liked that job. It was fine. It was very like chill. But I finished high school by this point and I was at sixth form college. Which is still your like high school. Yes. I was 17, 16, 17. Yeah. And yeah, I was working at this little grocery store, convenience store place and I loved it. I was so fun. And then one day, this man walked in. It was just like a Monday night and he was like so friendly and he was like asking me to do all these weird transactions that I couldn't quite understand what was going on. And there was a line forming and I was like yeah, let me quickly put these transactions through. He was like paying for things with like a. Who's trying to top up his like gas and electric cards that you could do, you know? yeah. And then he was like using like a credit card. We had the credit card number written down, but I bear in mind. I'm 16. My frontal cortex has not. It's not even there. Even man, clearly you've all heard the bus story. It's not that. So I was like, Let me enter these numbers that you gave him, got a scrap piece of paper to make this transaction go through. And he paid, he was like paying for. His gas and electric cards, which I thought were, got some electric. And they ended up being Gambling God's thoughts, what they were. I was at gambling. He was like topping up his gambling cards. And I was like, that was weird. Anyway. Next, please. And the next day my manager called me and they were like, you have to come into work because the police are here. I have to go to school. I have to go to school now. Now. Sorry. And then anyway, when I went in, they were like, no, the full police investigation. And they were like, you look really chummy with this guy. So do you know him? And I was like, no, I'm just really from ma'am. Promise. I don't know who he was. I'm so sorry. I didn't know what was going on. And it was like really busy and I didn't know what to do. And then they were like, you should've called us if you needed help a lot. And I was like, I'm 16. You left me like to man. The tale was about the tills by myself. Also child labor. I know literally, so you can say all of these. All of these instances were not my fault. Yeah. Let's just say I got fired. I was actually quite solid because I liked that job. They fired you. It was really fun. then what I, then it didn't work. Did I work again until I went to uni. I didn't build my, like my best friend in college. She like was working as a shop girl. Like a Jew who is XL jello shots. At the club. And I'm going to support. uh, worked in we'd like do shallow shots. Why didn't you get that jobs? Uh, Good support. It sounds like a great job. Missing parts of my memory from that point in my life, because it was very chaotic. It was, this was like 17, 18, and I was like really going it. Wasn't going to the clubs for the first time. And so while you were working simply for cigarettes and alcohol, bla. Oh my God. Yeah. Did I have a job when I worked. When I went to the other college. I can't say. You know what. I can't say if I did or not. And then I moved to university. And then the job's got weird. Oh, I only have one job in university. What was it? I find her so boring. I worked for American Eagle for 10, 10 years. Boston. That company model. I'm tired of this grandpa. That's today. I worked for American Eagle for five years. And then I was like, let me find a job at my university. So I don't have to go home sometimes and work for. The corporation. So I found a job as a you know, like the, every university will have an, like a art. Art museum. Like a gallery. Or they were like show like students work. Okay. Did you have one of those? I went to an art school, the whole building was in. Well, We had one thing was like an art gallery and I was like the person who like sat there and like minded the arch. What the fuck? While people like walked around and I would shadow them and make sure they didn't touch the yard. It's like an old man jaw. But I could, I just, literally, most of the time, no one came at him. So I just sat there during lecture. Obviously. So I sat there, like working on my schoolwork. And I feel like this is quite relevant because. At uni, I studied international relations. Talk to me please, about a day in the life of an international. International relations student at don't tell me the name of the university. Wait. Um, State. say the whole word. Ah, that's such a hard word to say for me, it's an easy one. Apple. yeah. Appalachian. Yeah. I remember used to call up Allah Patchin. Alec Patchin state Alec Appalachian state, Appalachian state university. And Hey. Boom, boom. North Carolina Boone, North Carolina, North Carolina, North Carolina, a day in the life. I would wake up. In my little room. And I would look at my globe and say, globe, I'm going to live over there one day. Across the ocean. No, I'm kidding. I'm joking. I will cut to the scene. Kelly Clarkson breakaway place spinning the globe. way. To Germany. whoa. I wa was. What did I do? I had a major in global studies. I had a focus in human rights. I had minors in Spanish, a non-profit management. This is all so random. So I would go and write. Yeah. It was just like what the, what you would like. Study. Okay. Um, I would, I was just like a lot of papers and a lot of like, Thesises. She say whatsoever. Oh, shut up. It was like a lot of just like learning about the world and cultures and religions of the world and like human rights. The world is crazy work. E you like RD. Religious education. All right. That's what we used to call it. No. One of the world. Which is like religious education. And that wall and that's what I had. And then I decided to work in a gallery. So I could do my work cause I was a good student. That was a really good student. I was a really good sale. I was so good. I never lost a job. I never got fired. I only quit. And that's the motto. Quit don't be fired. Okay that's rude festival. And second of all, get some character, get some gum shed. And shall I say. What did you do in college? My first year. Moved to Liverpool. And I was like, let me get a fucking job, doing what I love to do. What. Fucking party is. So I did my first job at uni. My first job at uni. Not even fucking joking. First year of uni, me and my friend, we would Me and my friend was done out on bold street in Liverpool. Near the square. And we would hand out wristbands for the Monday night, I think it was called like cheeky monkey. You're insane. It's called cheeky monkey. Cheeky monkey. Yeah. No. Wait, there was like a different one on Mondays. I used to work for specifically. There was another one. That's not cheeky monkey. No. There was a club night called cheeky monkey. And then there was another one on Monday nights. Fuck me. If I remember the name of that fucking shithole. But yeah, I used to like stand outside and I would get a pound for every wristband I sold. So it sell wristbands on the street. I think people would pay two pounds. And then, so you got half of that. I think so that's a good deal. Yeah, I think so. But then, they would go into the club and buy more drinks. I think. feel like that's what the deal was. Who's the fuck. Take attention. My. My memory's bad too. We did really well. And then it got too cold and I was like, fuck this to how long. We would like to go a couple of months, actually two months, maybe. Two two sounds good. That's a good, that's a good run in your books. I think it was a quintet by this point, too. So it was like, it was definitely like November ish. And then by the time it was getting to December, I was like, So cold Liverpool is like by the. C and we're calling it the C. Let's see. Yeah. The C. What is the sea? Irish. I don't know it was Wendy's. Fuck right. In a wind tunnel, in the winter. It's just so cold it's so it's like bone chilling. Yeah, me being sit out on the streets out on a Monday night, a hundred out little Wristbands. The cheeky monkey didn't sound very appealing at the end of the day, at the end of the night. You're one of my least favorite people. Yeah. I'd be like. Oh, no, it wasn't clunky monkeys. My friend had Northern Irish accent. And I can imagine him saying something. Kinda it wasn't cheeky monkey. I can't remember, but imagine it was cheeky monkey. She'd be like a phallus cheeky monkey tonight. And I'd be like, Hey logs, you. Oh, you're the ones trying to get the lads in. Cheeky monkey tonight. Is this so bad to teach you anything? Did you learn anything from this job? I got to go there for free afterwards. Perfect. This is why you did it. And it's pretty good actually. And also got me like it got me like well-known in like the I dunno. Are you planning or oh, They're like weird. Nightlife scene in Liverpool. Yeah. You knew the people. Yeah. I think Monday nights it was like cheeky monkey, Tuesday night. I think there were any other nights. Tuesday nights is bumpa. Bumper. The club was called bumper. I can't remember the name of the actual, what were the name of the other parties? I must know. You've been to heebie-jeebies. I haven't been to heebie-jeebies. Yeah. And that was okay. This is a very like, I wasn't an older, an older student bar was. It's like more so like third. Yes. I've been talking about this for so long, because this is truly part of my job. Deep dive into Liverpool. Yeah, I know I do miss that. It's so true. I love that I would love that. You have another job in uni? That's a good question. Dig deep. Let me think. Do you know, I only went my first year. I only went in. my attendance was 30. Things like it was registered at the FDA. My first year I was registered. I was registered present at 30 lectures seminars. Thanks for the out the whole year. How many total were there. Oh, honey. Like you had five classes a week or something. Hundreds. I went to 30 in the air. Oh, didn't you get a failed? Yeah, I had to redo. I really want to do it to you. You need just this one. It's I love the social aspect of it. I went to an art school. I went to Liverpool, John Moores university. I studied interior design. Okay. I'm like, okay. And I really didn't want to be there. So I was in forced to be there. Yup. And I really just enjoyed the social aspect of university. So I like went to be social and make friends. And didn't participate in any of the actual. In any of the actual learning. Because why else would you be at university, but to learn. Make friends and get social skills. It's a pie. Parties. Party. I'm a party engine. So basically. Yeah, I um, got another job. No. Wait. Let's talk about uni. Ah, uni oh yeah. Uni. Oh my God. Yeah. I have to have to redo a bunch of like assignments because I didn't do them properly. No shit. Cause I didn't go. And then I did, I was like, I really want to, I want to stay at uni. I had to write this like statement being like, I really do want to, I want to apply myself. And then they accepted me. Oh no. I think my mum got I already moved into my second year house. And then my mum got a letter and she like sent a picture of it to me. And it was like, you have not made it just like in jail. And I was like, I already paid the deposit from my house. I fucking baby. I like went into college. I went into uni the next day. I. She went in and be like, I I go here. I go here and I do hear what. Crazy. I don't care what you say. I go here. This is crazy that you have to go in and be like, I dunk, how can I have to have to be here? It's so funny. We're so opposite. Literally an honors student in college. Oh, my God. Like I went to, I went into college in the honors college of the university, like the smartest little Smarties of the smarts. Okay. Oh, it's somebody on the opposite. We. Like I was like a straight a, I don't think I made less than an a in college, but did you have friends? Um, There we go. There we go. Some friends. That's nice. He summons. Nice. Some friends. But have fun stories to tell. I didn't go to parties. I also went to Boone. I was in Boone, North Carolina. We didn't have parties. All that side. Life's not all about the pies, but when you're 17, Now 18, 19 yet. It really is. It really is 29 33. You really ain't really is. Yeah. Anyway, I So no more jobs in university? No. No. You had another one, another. I applied. All this time in my second year. Oh, yes. I remember that applied for the Hollister of a second gen. They're like like you have to shave. And I was like, I'm not doing. Let me tell you this to your face. I would look like. child. If I did that. And so I said, not for me. It was like, I wouldn't change myself for anyone. But I didn't not you Hollister. No. And then at the same time they had the men standing outside. Not in the UK. They didn't. I think maybe that was like a special occasion thing in the U S. Not like all the time, then I haven't been outside, outside all the time. Yeah, no very nice pictures of men and Simon, lovely pictures of men. It was really dark and really, and. Cool. You walk in and you're like, oh my God, it smells amazing. And the clothes were trash. True. Oh, so true. The big Eagle, no seagull, the big seagull logo. That's not what that thing was. It was a seagull. They were a seagull. The rest of this guy. They're like a California. It's like a California brown. This is a fucking seagull in the bubble too. It's a fucking seagull epidemic and Liverpool fucking now that's what they chose. Yeah, true. The. Of the sky. We already picked the moose. So what else are we going to pick? I don't know, like an Eagle American Eagle probably had that in say. You can't can you can't feel you can't copyright a fucking bird? Aeropostle. What is an Arab hostile? I don't actually know. You're a weirdo and you're making this. No, I'll show you after. And so you worked at a different clothing shop? No. Yeah, I did. I did actually. Yeah, no. Yeah. I feel like there's something else in between that missing. But it escapes me. At the beginning of my third year, the year that I was supposed to like really apply myself. And like focused on my dissertation and Really focused on my studies. I got a job at a clothing store. and I loved. It so much. Because I'd all my uni friends, I had all my friends from like parties had been to like, people's housemates, people's other housemates. You just like how you meet friends in Liverpool. And it was like, I haven't really met anyone new in a really long time. It's not working here. And I fucking loved it. I was like, this is so fun. So cool. Everyone's so vibey in this place. Yeah. So many friends who would go on like nights after work. It was so fun. Yeah. Yup. I'd had the best time ever. And then that's where I met, like so many of my close friends. I'm still friends with. Somebody believes to work with that. Yeah. And all of your jobs did really revolve around. So social. I'm a Gemini, Gemini Libra. Like obviously that I seek out social interactions is the only reason I want to know. I wanted stability. Because you done like your at uni and then you move and then you moved to Germany. Yeah. And then I have two more. I have. I moved to Australia still. Oh my God. I have. I'm in the bubble. This is my final year of uni. And then I moved to Manchester for six months before I moved to Australia. Okay, let me just quickly fuck it. This is supposed to be the quick version I work for a retail. Clothing store. In Liverpool. Graduate university loved it so much. Moved to mountain view back to Manchester. Graduated. You actually got my degree. I got congrats. Graduate. Graduate with honors. Good job. Whoa. Honors. Yeah. You yeah. Honors. I wrote my thesis. In a week you faked it. I know that she like lied about, oh no, I don't give a fuck. You think my fucking revoke. Exactly. Oh, no, I like made up all my primary research. Like I'm like, no, one's going to, no, one's going to fit. No one is going to also like if you lost your degree, oh no, you lost your interior to see. Yeah. It's in a frame. So when my mum hasn't moved, since I like. I think you've lost. I don't know where the fuck that degree is. It doesn't exist. And then I moved back to Manchester to live with my mum. What site? Bef in between me graduating and moving to Australia. I already had my visa on everything like lined up. So I just want you to save. Some money. Moved to Manchester started working at the Manchester store. Made so many new friends, still friends with so many of those people now. I love that store. Became supervisor, so fun. Crazy. I'll have to leave, I have to leave you guys. And then worked, I've got to go my own way. Yeah. And then left that job so fun though. I loved it. I moved to Melbourne and I was like, I've got savings in my bank account. So I don't need to do a job. This second, I want to travel for a bit. I traveled the great ocean road and I was like, wait, this is really expensive here. Let me get my aspect of Melbourne and get a job, not a guy on new year's Eve, who was the manager of a famous restaurant at the time? Was it famous? I don't fucking know. It was a meatball and wine bar. Oh, my God. It was so fun. It was so fun too, because I didn't really know anyone in Australia. I didn't know anyone in Australia. I didn't know anyone in Melbourne. And then I started working at this job. They made me the assistant manager. Cause I like really hyped up that when I was a supervisor of my. Store right. You fobbed your resume. Everyone's fucked. A resume I'm 22 years old. And then I become assistant manager of meatball and wine bar. Yeah. And listen to me, I got to choose the people who we hired. So I made like, I like the coolest people that would walk in. Hiring decisions. People will come in and be like just go out after work all the time. It was so fun. Cause like Monday nights, Tuesday, it was like industry nights. So you'd go to like, laser peg around the corner, or that was the first time I ever like, experienced like drag. Yeah. I was at 22 and I'd go out in Melbourne and just like, Work my little shift and then go out. I was so fond. It was such a fun life. Anyway. Did that for a while and then quit. Cause I wanted to travel a bit. And then Hopped around some like backpacker hustles, like traveled a little bit. And then in between those, I like found myself at the nomads backpacking hostel, and then I like was doing work for accommodation. In between that time I was doing wolfing. Which is whoa. Work for accommodation working. And Nope. Where we'll think you. It is working out. Yeah. Or farming. No, no, no, No. It was like, it was like helping people, helping, I don't know what actually sounds. I've never wolfed before Alexa. Define wolfing. What thing. Uh, Way to work and travel while I don't know why. Yeah. It was basically like work for a combination. Yeah. So it was like doing that. Yeah, I was doing that and it was doing the Austin. And then I moved to Sydney and then I was doing the hot, the hostile. And then I was like my Visa's up. Got to go. Skedaddled got to go get the fuck out of there. And then we're about to go to Germany. Wow. That was a good lightening round. Thank you. You're getting stuck in there for a second. I so hot. You've had so many jobs. I've had five and you've had a 25 apparently. Yeah, I know Jesus. There's still more to come. Oh, my God. I moved to Germany after college because I had an internship. Probably got an internship. There's organization that I've worked with in college. If you want to know more about that, Just go back to the, how we met episode and you'll see that. I moved to Germany after college. I had an internship with D H L for a data analytics internship. That talked to me about the day in the life of a day on list DHL in Frankfurt. Ah well, I would wake up and I was looking at my globe. That was funny. And then very sadly spin it around. And land on Frankfurt, Germany, because that's where I fucking crazy though. I said out of anywhere in the world, I could land. Like when you first moved to the week. You're like, wow, this is crazy. I was like, yeah. Cause it was like one of my first times, like living outside of the country. I was like, oh my God, Germany. So cool. I like living like that was like an a, I was like a. Oh, it's like living in like working in like aiming to be there for awhile. I was like, yeah, that's cool. It's like a, it's a city, so it has like a skyline there's like buildings. It's like skylights skyscrapers, which like most other European cities don't have like big actually. Yes they do. It's such a long. They do. Germans that he's dope. So it was nice. dana life I would wake up and then I would get on the bus. Early on 6:00 AM, 6 38 apple. Shell to the airport. Yes, I was getting there. I was getting there. We're going to the airport shuttle because my job was at the airport. It was that the DHL cargo at the airport. Frank Foote airport. So I would go and got my little bus, sadly. I would pick up a little LOL sandwich on the way from the grocery store. Oh, my God. Let's talk about the sandwiches in Germany. The bricks. Oh, they're bricks. Yeah. Yeah. It's mostly bread. Oh my gosh. Deli on the fucking hottest bread. I have had in your life, like the I've had pre-prepared sandwiches. I do my breakfast. It was like crazy. 10 pounds of bread. Yeah. Crazy. It's true. I was. So I would go to the airport and then I would sit down at my desk and there'd be one German lady sat across from me and she was my boss. And that would be, it there'll be some other people in the office, but it would just be us. I would go get a little coffee from the German coffee machine, get my filter, to ask coffee, put a little like milk in there or something, put some sugar in there. And then I would do that 10 more times by the end of the morning. Cause I was so bored. Fucking job bitch. I would just sat on next hour. I don't know. I lied. And I said, I knew how to like, do XL functions. I know how to sum something and add something up. And then they gave me really hard jobs and I was like, I don't know what I'm doing. It's your fault for hiring me. I lied, but. Zero fall. Wow. So you do lie. so that's when I started also doing the freelance writing and copywriting and ghost writing to make a few extra bucks. Because I was making some money from this job, but I was like, I don't really want to do this anymore. What was that website that you used to use? Uh, Work. Oh yeah. Oh my God. It's where you would find like little jobs or they had a copywriting job. So I would like, actually, this is when I started doing like ghost articles. So do you. There's articles where you go online. You're like, what do I do in Thailand? Literally. No, we're going to Thailand. Okay. We're going to Thailand. I feel like actually, when this episode comes out, we're going to be in Thailand. Yeah. When you. We're doing that when we met in Berlin. Like you asked me, you sent that to me because I'd been to Thailand already. Yeah. You sent that over to me to read over to make sure it was like actually P things people would do, as I was saying, I would have right. These like listicle articles. So it's seven top things to do in Thailand, or seven things eat in Thailand or what to do in Thailand or anything else besides Thailand. I could just think of that right now. One was like a nursing home website and it was like what to do with your granny with dementia. I was writing like eight things to do to help your grandma. That's crazy. But this is my win. Yeah, those things like people like ma are writing. Or AI now, honestly. But back then it was me. Back in my day, I was slaving over this little laptop. No. Wait, what, how, okay. One of my like good friends from high school, her now ex-boyfriend. I remember this. Hired you. I think we found this out like years later. I know it was crazy. We found this out years later, that when you were living in Germany, one of my friends. Like my friend's boyfriend at the time. Yeah. Hide, use. Do some more of this ghost writing opportunity. Hi. Yeah. The opportunity. It was a nursing home. One. This is why. Oh my God. Really. That's crazy. That's crazy. Oh, my God. And she told me she was like, I just realized. It was crazy. He just told me, so that's what I was doing. And that's when I started doing that during my job at the airport, I would sit at my desk and pretend to be doing Excel sheet things, but I was really just like doing my other job. And we want one degree of association away and we didn't even know. I know that's crazy. I know it's crazy. And then we. Yeah. And then I quit that internship six months in, and then I moved to Berlin to continue to increase writing and copywriting and like starting my Instagram journey. And that's where like the Instagram shit happened. Happened. That's when I started doing Instagram and like, That whole influencer shenanigans. How fast did you get like your Instagram following up? It was from like when I moved to Germany and then I met you. I was like a 20,000, 30,000 on Instagram. And then I think by the time I got to Canada, no, I want to know, like, how did you get up to 10 K? Like when you were on Instagram? It was like Instagram was really easy to grow on the back of the day. Like you would just post something and you get thousands of followers. Oh, if you were good at it. And I started doing like fashion, lifestyle travel and all of that, and people were like, oh my God, I'm really interested in what you're doing. I was like, I don't know. It's just like travel diaries. Basically, and then my life, and then my fashion, which was top man. a sauce. And that's it. Oh. It's at the top of my brain is. It's at the top of my brain. What's the one, the German one called. The orange is like an orange logo. Everyone used to work for them or like they just do all the ads. There's an office in Berlin. I don't know. I was a land. This little land. crazy work. A crazy work. Wow. That really took me back. That's crazy. And that was the start of my influencer journey. And then you had a different job in Berlin before you started, you had too many, you have. Like 10 other jobs. I can quickly do this one. Cause this one's boring as fuck. When I moved to Berlin. When I moved to Berlin, actually, no, after. After I left Australia, I was home for like half of a second. And then I did like a temp job. Like I did temp office job. And I was like, Nope, this is horrible. And I went, I was at the job, like looking for flights to move to Germany. And then I was gone within a couple of weeks. Nice. And then. was working at a hostel, the hostel that I liked first arrived in. I was like cleaning. At the hostel. And it was fucking horrible. Actually, the guy never paid me up. I know child labor is a piece of shit. I was trying to no way I was 20. No, I'm 24 now. Oh my God. I'm 24 old child. They have 24 now. Fucking hell crazy. Oh yeah. I got a job when I was like looking for an English speaking role in Berlin. I landed upon. This customer. Facing customer service, like role, which sounded so fun. Cause it was like for a fashion company, not that book. And Mr. Porter. Now take me through the life of a customer service, right. I would wake up in the morning. I would take the train to theater. It's plats. And I'd walk to my building. I'd stand outside and cry, smoke a cigarette, then go upstairs. And then I would sit at my desk for 20 minutes. I'd go down and says, I have another cigarette. I sat at my desk for another 20 minutes. Go for coffee, eat some food. God says and have another cigarette. And then we'll go back upstairs. Our job. I literally didn't spend more than 20 minutes at my desk at one time. How about that for a year and a half. This sounds eerily similar to your first year in university. Shut the fuck up. Anyway, I was there for the friends. I made so many great. So many lifelong friends, like so many people from the office. I like so near and dear to my heart. And love them to death. We just we're on this, like one big, long English, like row of people. It was the most. Like mundane. Jay. I imagine it there's this mundane like German office cubicle bullshit situation. manager. The boss man manager was this Italian guy who was just like a big baby. he was like, not. Cognizant of anything at all ah, And I'm like, nothing is getting done here. there was a time where I was like trying to, I want it to streamline some things or like this thing is going wrong or something's annoying me. And there's no way to fix something and he'd be like, ah, bro. Barbara. I don't like, wow great. You don't give a shit about this place, so I don't give a shit about this place. Yeah. And then. Left that. We started doing photography like. How fun. Yeah. As a hobby. Yeah. Cause I really loved, like I did love the arts, like growing up, I loved the arts. I just never knew which. Interior design. Apparently it was. I suppose to go to uni, it was the easiest thing to do, and then some of my friends that was on that course with our like, designing. Like full hotels and restaurants. And I don't like. I got podcasts. I have a podcast that they're probably listening to. Once they do that sketchy. Exactly. Yeah, I'm proud of you. You should be proud of me too. I applied myself. And then yeah, I was fucking over that bullshit. This is when we had already decided to leave the country. packed up my bags, moved to, uh, moved to Toronto. And then I got a job at. A hotel. I was a host and a barista. For six months. And oh, my fucking Christ that I work every like pretty much every you did, you were gone all the time. I was gone all the time. isn't that the isn't that the life lesson it is truly like. Working money. Yes. But like also the social aspect. I'm going to job was like the most fun thing. There's two good things about. I said that at the beginning, but then I want it to get that. the social aspects of working as like truly the main thing that kept me. Going right in all of these. Random rigid job roles that I had. Yeah. I worked in hospitality again for six months and then worked in retail for two weeks. You've done so much. I was at north. They were like, you can be. What was I going to do? Drag them? You were going to be a fucking sales. Um, A stylist. Yeah, it was what it was going to be working as a stylist. I was going to eventually be a stylist. I think they wanted me to have like floor experience. And I like did my interview with the stylist and like I was going to be on the stylist team. And that was a hired you as a stylist. And then they put you in sales associate was. On the men's sportswear department. And I was like, Nope, I'm not doing this for five. And I like didn't come back. I just didn't go back. It's a theme actually. And then we threw balls to the walls. I was like, let me just do my life the way I want to do my life. And I started like reaching out to people and like the contacts that I dealt already, I was like just emailing and fucking. A billion people to do photography. Full-time. Because I was doing this book with Matt and I would go to her like his campaign shoots and help him with everything. Or it was like doing everything. 10% of every campaign. Actually at the time you did, you were businessmen. I was a business woman. It was like, if I am going to be like doing my job, like I'm going to be working like nine, 10 hours a day. This hotel. Yeah. Then come and help you shoot a campaign that you need to Adam, I'm getting paid for it. Do you also remember you made me put like the little camera emoji and your name you're using. On every single post that I did. But that was cute. Cute. I want to grow my, I want to grow my photography. And this will help me reach people and people will see like shit. Great content for you. Yeah, and it did. And people hired me to do like photography work and I did that for. About a year and I was growing my own Instagram and them. Eventually fucking loves that Pawlenty fucking. And then I got signed with your agency that you were already with, correct? Like the whole year. Correct. And then I started doing really well. Yeah. And then. It depends on what happened. And then I was on EDI. For COVID. Yeah. But then we were starting your Tik TOK. That's when we started. I take time. Yeah. and little did we know. That things would sky rocket. And now here we are talking to you. That was exhausting. I'm tired. I thought this was like a full eight hour shift. So this is going to be easy because I didn't think about how many jobs you had. You've lived 10 lives. I know I've missed out a couple. I'm sure. I'm sure you have. We're not going to go back. That's close. Chapter is closed. Yeah. Yeah, fuck. That was wild now. Everything about. Cool. I like fully, I have like truly throwing myself under the bus. For so many things there. With the legal system in the United Kingdom. For credit card fraud or whatever that. Okay. Or whatever, you know, fraud. Lying on your resume. Lying. Dirty liar. I have a lot more incriminating things that I'm not going to say. Do we have time for a dinner table game? Yeah, I've got time for it. That's able game. I don't have one though. Let's play, spin the bottle. It's me and you. Exactly. Freak. Fuck marry. Kill. Okay. DHL. American Eagle. What was your other one? You can even think of any of the jobs that is out here. Art galleries. Gallery watcher. Going to. As the job to do, or as the fuck marry, kill. Just generally, whatever you want to do with that. I'm going to marry. DHL. Oh, cause they're steady. And the employment is good. And it was like the most like career oriented thing that I've ever done. I know what you gonna say next? I'm going to a. I'll fuck American Eagle. Yeah, exactly. American hero for sure. Like the art room watcher. No, I would kill my art room. Watch her job. The watcher. I'm the watcher. I was the watcher. So sad. No totally. Okay. That was pretty easy. Fuck marry, kill. And I have to think about every single one of your jobs that you've ever done. Fuck marry, kill. Meatball and wine bar. Supervisor. I was actually used as a manager. I was. My official title is to IC. Alright. Okay. Assistant manager of meatball and Walmart. And Melbourne Australia. Random pizza flyer. And. What else did you do? What else did you, oh my God. And Net-a-Porter in Berlin and customer service. We didn't say cheeky monkey what that was with the pizza flyer. That's nothing to do with the pizza fly. It was similar vibes, giving out things, getting people to do things. I'm going to kill the Berlin job, obviously. The most mundane thing I ever did in my whole entire life. I would marry the meatball and wine bar because I didn't say before that I, that was the first job I ever got paid. Like that much money at that. I was on like Melvin's fucking. Wages was so high. I was paid like$24 an hour. That's crazy. AUD. AUD, which is the same as CAD. So that helps you reference that. As well as by couple, no one else with. But I was 22. I didn't got paid that much money, like$24 an hour. And that was crazy at the time. and I guess I'm just going to have to fuck the. pizza fly a person. As we clock off today's shift. Please. Don't forget to rate us wherever you listen to podcasts. Five stars only. followers on Tik TOK, Instagram, and YouTube. And we'll see you next time. At the dinner table. Now get out.