Episode 12

In this deeply personal episode, my wife and I sit down to unpack one of the most sobering verses in the Bible—Matthew 7:21, where Jesus says, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven…” Together, we wrestle with what it means to truly know Christ—and to be known by Him. Is it about doing the right things, or is there something deeper at the heart of faith? Join us as we reflect on our own spiritual journeys, share moments of conviction and grace, and explore the difference between religion and relationship. This is an honest, grace-filled conversation you won’t want to miss.