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Power of Advocacy: Filmmaking for Social Change with Remi Kessler
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SPEAKER_07Hi, and welcome to the Art of Film Funding. I'm your co-host, Claire Fapan. Along with Carol Dean, author of the best-selling book, The Art of Film Funding. Carol is also the founder and president of From the Heart Productions and the host of this show. Our very special guest today, Remy Kessler, began documenting homeless in Los Angeles in 2015. He produced and directed The Advocates, a full-length feature documentary providing a sweeping look at the history and causes of LA's homeless crisis and an intimate view of the tireless work of advocates striving to create better lives for their homeless clients. The film premiered at the 2018 Los Angeles Film Festival, followed by a successful festival run, multiple community screenings frequently moderated by Remy, and worldwide distribution and streaming. Since the advocates, Remy produced and directed a series of six films for UCLA and the Los Angeles Department of Mental Health, which are utilized to educate social workers and graduate students on mental illness and homelessness. Remy's production career includes numerous commercials, feature films, music videos, television series, corporate films, and documentaries filmed and produced around the world. Over the last decade, Remy has produced several documentaries, including a series of six films, The Wonderful History of the Hollywood Studios, and for the 100th anniversary of Orphan Wells' birth, Shadows and Lights, that opened the classic section of the Cannes Film Festival in 2015. He's currently working on the film Homeless. And Carol, I believe Remy won the Roy Bean Film Grant for his films, right?
SPEAKER_05Yes, Claire. We're really happy to have you and honored to have you on this show today. Thank you so much, Remy, for joining us.
SPEAKER_02Well, thank you for having me.
SPEAKER_05So we have been watching your success with the first film, and you're going back into the same subject matter, which I really appreciate because there's no one better to do this film than you. I know this is a highly complicated problem, and uh it's fraught with problems all the way through, particularly all of the um paperwork that homeless people have to uh fill out, and plus the lack of homes and getting homes built. So let's get started with um what do you think the The Advocates was such a powerful documentary and people loved it. So what I'm wondering is how did that uh contribute to this success uh in the festivals and the community screenings? Did they like your film about the homelessness?
SPEAKER_03You know, I think what happened is uh when I started doing uh the advocates, uh there was many f there were many films on homelessness. Uh but uh they were all bringing the misery of people in the streets in your face. And it was really difficult to watch for 90 minutes. Um I remember at the time I said I I I I really wanna I really want to try to do a film on the subject, but I don't want to show the misery of people. And I think that's what contributed to the success of the film is I was able to show the complexity uh of the problem, to show real stories of real people without being voyeuristic. And I think that's what makes the film successful is people could watch it for 90 minutes and feel compelled uh compelled about it and speak about it. I think that's what makes a big difference.
SPEAKER_05Well, you told a good story. You took actual people who uh found uh uh subjects of they found homeless people on the street and they took them through the process of getting them into a home. But what was so shocking to all of us was the amount of time it took and what um uh they ran into all the difficulties. I mean it was uh unbelievable. And all of us were overwhelmed with the amount of time and work to get one person into a living accommodation. So thank you for achieving that.
SPEAKER_03Well, um well I'm glad that you liked it.
SPEAKER_05I did. It was great. So after you released the advocates, what kind of feedback and impact did you observe from the audience, particularly those involved in the advocacy for homelessness? Did they love it?
SPEAKER_04Did they love it?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so for from the general audience, I mean what was really uh striking is you were seeing the film and the question asked, the question people were asking is how can we help? How can we be part of helping those people? So there was a lot of compassion developed by the film. For the people, the professional in the sector, um they were thrilled to show how complex their work was uh and how difficult it was. Um suddenly the the work they were doing, which was underground, suddenly became really apparent and above the surface. And for that they were very um they were very happy and uh they opened the door to me. That's actually uh really helped me for follow for the following is um they they were thrilled to have someone being an advocate for them, actually.
SPEAKER_05Yes, yes. This is what so needed, advocates. Um and in the advocates you discussed uh proposition HHH which created a bond that was going to build 10,000 units of supportive houses. And this measure H, it was a quarter of a cent sales tax to fund homeless services. And these two measures were meant to end homelessness. Wow. So were they successful? What happened, Brammy?
SPEAKER_03Uh well that's a question I'm asking to almost everyone I'm interviewing in my new film. What happened? How is it successful? And uh so HHH was supposed to build 10,000 permanent uh supportive uh units. Uh they've built 7,500 and change uh because the cost of construction went up since 2016. Um they just coming online now. So I think the impact is going to be felt, you know, we're going to start to feel the impact of this because a lot of people who are disabled, who are sick, who are mentally ill, are going to be able to start being housed. However, it looks like we need three or four times that number uh for the streets. And one of the problems of the merger is it was oversold. Um ten thousand units were not it couldn't solve the problem of homelessness. And for measure H, it was it's the same. I mean the merger is actually was very successful because he was able to really send in the streets real team with doctors, with psychiatrists, with social workers, and taking care of the people in the streets, giving them care, uh, helping them navigate the housing system. The problem is there is no place to go. So it's like musical chairs all the time. As long as you can't house them, you can't solve the problem. So again, this one was the same thing. It was oversold. Um and they realize that. I think everyone in the industry, politicians, social worker, all the coalition that came around those measures realized that they oversold it. Oh my goodness. So but it was very useful. It is actually very useful. But it's uh it's uh just a piece of the puzzle.
SPEAKER_05It's one piece of the big puzzle. We've got to solve this, so thank you for working on it. Well, were you motivated to continue documenting homelessness with your upcoming project, the homeless? So how is homeless different from the advocates?
SPEAKER_02So i it's actually it's homeless ink.
SPEAKER_03Inc.
SPEAKER_05Right. Ink of course, I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_03Homeless ink, because you know, I've uh so I've I've explored with the advocates the work of the social workers on the streets. With the project of UCLA and and DMH, I was able to uh document really the problem of mental illness and homelessness. And you know funding is definitely always a disc a subject of discussion between the professionals. And I wanted to really look at the business side of homelessness, and uh and that's how I got pulled into it because uh because I started finding the stories of people wanting to solve the problem and dealing with the uh structural issues that needs to be solved. Right. So it is more on the business side, but it's still it's still about people. You know, it's uh the the the film is still about people. That's the same, that's the common thread, but we're looking at the behind the scene of the business aspect of homelessness.
SPEAKER_05And how it affects the people on the street, right. Well can you share some of the challenges that you faced in documenting the lives of people who are on the street uh since n uh um twenty fifteen? Many of these have been on the street for a long time.
SPEAKER_03Uh you know, what I think what's m the most complicated is you start to follow a story and and and you spend a lot of time, you know, following the story. I mean sometimes you know the stories last six months, a year, and suddenly the person disappear. And you have no more. Disappears, disappears.
SPEAKER_05Oh and oh my gosh, they disappear.
SPEAKER_03They disappear, they change. They're not in the streets in Los Angeles anymore, they move to San Francisco and you can't find them anymore. Uh or you have someone that you're following that has mental illness, and suddenly they get into a very acute crisis and you have to disappear. You can't keep filming.
SPEAKER_04Yes.
SPEAKER_03I guess you could, but I'm not interested in it. Um and uh and that makes it very complicated. I have this case right now where I follow someone who is in a permanent supportive housing and and for me it was a success story, and one of the providers made a mistake and that person got into a crisis and and we can't film anymore because it would be dangerous for him.
SPEAKER_05Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_03So that's I think the most complicated part of it.
SPEAKER_05Right.
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SPEAKER_05Okay, well, because the crisis in LA has evolved over several years, what do you find are the key developments or changes that you've noticed since you started working? Has it gotten better or worse?
SPEAKER_03Oh, it's gone worst.
SPEAKER_05Oh, dear.
SPEAKER_03It's gone worst. It's gone worst. Uh definitely you see more people on the streets. I think that's the most striking thing that happened, the most striking development is there are more people.
SPEAKER_05There are more people. And so what's being done to address the problem?
SPEAKER_04The problem.
SPEAKER_03I think a lot of you know, it's NHH were definitely a big tool to address the problem. Um but it's not enough. So, you know, and so that's one thing. And I think also what happened is politician and and and the old industry realize that they've oversold and they they really need to get together. And so they've learned the lesson of the past and they're trying to learn from the lesson of the past. And that's what I'm seeing right now in in the film that I'm doing, is they're really they're very serious in understanding how did we get there, how what did we do wrong, what do we need to do to fix the problem, and how do we do it? And there are some very serious discussions, and that makes me very optimistic. Yeah, and that's what the whole time that I've for the whole time that I've been filming, it's it's just now that I'm seeing this trend of people who are very serious about solving the problem.
SPEAKER_05Oh my gosh, that's good news. And this is what the story is in Homeless Inc.
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SPEAKER_03Yes, yes. Good.
SPEAKER_05All right.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, homeless ink is really about, you know, people trying to make a difference. And people it goes from politicians to private developers, from nonprofit, uh, from regular advocates, they're all going coming together and and they all try to make it good.
SPEAKER_05Well, I hope you will also tell us in the film what e each one of us can do, because this is a community problem. We all have to get involved in this, I believe.
SPEAKER_04I believe.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I think you know, the uh go vote. I think that's the ma that's the most important thing is go to the to go to go vote and and and show support for what is proposed.
SPEAKER_05Do we have anything coming up on this uh presidential election? Are there anything in uh that uh those votes for the homeless?
SPEAKER_03Well uh for uh for this election in LA County there is uh measure A. Um and and that measure is kind of complicated because it it it's measure H is uh sunseting in two years. So, you know, that quarter cent the quarter percent sales tax. So they're going to replace by half percent sales tax, but they want to use that money to keep the work that they've been doing on outreach, providing more funding for um in housing supporting services. And measure that you can vote on right now, and uh uh I think the uh the ballots have been printed, the information is printed so you can read about it and and see if you think it's a it's a good measure. Um there are there is a there are a couple of other measures. It's complicated because it's still very fragmented. Um and that's one of the big developments that happen is they're trying to consolidate all the different actions. Uh I think that's actually the most positive element uh on what's happening is that consolidation of the efforts. But Major A is the most pressing things for Los Angeles. And uh it's it's uh it's complicated because they're asking for more money, but uh the problem in what we realize it's uh and everybody's realizing it's going to take more money and more time to solve the problem. But it's fixable. They can fix it if everybody gets together and if they can get some money, because it's expensive.
SPEAKER_05Yes, I don't bet it is expensive. Well, tell us about your partnership with the uh U the uh UC Department of Mental Health. Uh how did that happen and what role do these educational films play in tracking homelessness and mental health?
SPEAKER_03Well, I think what happened is the um they saw that I was able to be in the street without a camera and being accepted by the community. Um I think that was the important factor. So they asked me to do video in order to show social workers and people coming out of the university what the life on the field is about. What the work is about. And uh so I was I was privileged to uh work with some of the best team of uh the Department of Mental Health and being accepted by them and being accepted by the streets, and I think I was showing how complicated it is to provide the care. And it was much more um we were more focused on the care and you know what kind of work the social workers have to do to get those people the care they need. And uh and uh some of the video, I mean, uh uh I mean they really provide a a a a glimpse on what life in the street is about for social workers walking on that field.
SPEAKER_05And they must have been shocking uh to those people who saw what is truly going on. But the key is uh they have they're in this position. Uh if they're going to do this job, they have to realize that they are uh dedicating their lives to supporting people. Yeah, that it's a big important uh job to take.
SPEAKER_03I I mean it's it's uh it's always difficult to say that because I'm filming diffic the difficult subjects, but I really enjoyed working uh on those videos. They were very uh they were very interesting, very rich in in human contacts. And uh also we were filming during the COVID pandemic, so uh it was very interesting. Uh it actually made things a little easier. Uh we could do interviewing the street without any sound issue.
SPEAKER_05There was no traffic and normally I know. Yes, that was good. Oh my god. Well tell us how people can reach you.
SPEAKER_03Oh well, I have an email, uh Remy at ksaproduction.com. I think that's the the easiest way to reach me.
SPEAKER_05R E M I. And you'll misspell the rest?
SPEAKER_03It's K S A Productions with an S.com.
SPEAKER_05Okay. Got it. And so let's get into the new film Homeless Inc. And I love the fact you've got the two S's made into dollar signs, giving us a hint that there's a lot of money going in this. W going somewhere, we're not sure where. So what are the primary messages and themes that you want to give us in this new film?
SPEAKER_03Uh it's going to be I mean, uh the primary message is there are solutions. They're going to be expensive and they're going to take time. Wow.
SPEAKER_05That's not good.
SPEAKER_03But there are a lot of people who want to solve the problem and that is good. think everybody's sitting around the table. I mean I'm showing people really having serious discussion on how to solve it and going into action.
SPEAKER_05Oh this is good. Action is a good word when you're talking about the homeless.
SPEAKER_03You know the uh it's like uh you know homelessness is like a crisis that's been it's kinda you have two crises getting together. You have the crisis of mental health that's been hundred years in the making. You have the crisis of affordable housing which is twenty years in the making and and people, you know, and you have the conflict between you know the private developer who are here for greed, the nonprofit who just spend the money of the taxpayers and what I'm seeing is they they're sitting together now. They realize that there is work for everyone and they all have a role to play in the solution.
SPEAKER_05Right. It's very important. Well what do you think are the biggest uh misconceptions about homelessness that your film will address well a lot of people don't realize that they can't put themselves into a place where they have no been picked up and so they don't have ID, they don't have a cell phone, they don't have food to buy uh the a meal uh and when and to get an ID replaced they have to walk all these places. They don't have money for bus rides and they don't even know how to get the buses they need. Can you imagine yourself just dropped in the center of a town with no money and very little clothes and you're you have to uh get on by yourself. This is exactly what a homeless person is dealing with daily, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah you know it's it's it's not it's not that faulty they're homeless.
SPEAKER_03You know they it's not the it's the it's a societal problem. Uh they get there because they're either sick and they can't get care or because they can't afford the rent. Even if they can do or three jobs. Uh and uh it's a responsibility of the society to solve it. Um y you know what's the what shall we get out of the film? The message is you know we have to get together. We have to come together.
SPEAKER_05Good good that's a great message and that will uh sh surely surely the interviews that you've uh created I've seen some of your work and it's excellent and the interviews in there with high quality highly intelligent people recognizing the problem and and showing uh a will and a desire to solve it. So Remy you're you're like a journalist you're putting them putting them out to the public saying okay this person has said this let's watch what they do and perhaps just getting them on camera can benefit all of us because now they really need to live up to what you've captured.
SPEAKER_03I hope that can be something that brings us more success in the future through your film I think if they accept to be interviewed by me on this film is they really want to show their work and and and they're proud of it. Although you know with a title like Homeless Inc sometimes I have to give a lot of explanation on what the film is about because it's a two edged sword.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03So somebody you know and and I have a lot of you know the politicians and business leaders and and and I remember one who accepted he said oh yeah yeah come over and then he looked at the release he saw the title and doesn't find the release and say we need to speak a little about your film.
SPEAKER_05Explain me right well it's just immediately when you see homeless written with dollar signs ink it in uh it makes you think that corporations are making a lot of money off of this and I'm sure they are the average price to build a one bedroom a home place apartment for the unhoused is $750,000.
SPEAKER_03That's outrageous yeah and you know actually it's uh once you understand how it works um i I mean it's a little more understandable why it's so expensive and that's why the private sector is so important to come in also to be able to help in some of the the the the section because you have affordable housing for people for seniors you have affordable housing for regular people like firemen and and and police officers you have uh affordable housing for mentally ill people and and it's just you know the way you use public funding it just takes time the way the the structure of public funding makes the fund available makes like it takes it takes ten years. Goodness and and ten years you know cost a lot of money because the the people need to get all their their their elements together before getting the money and and that takes a lot of time and takes a lot of money. And takes a lot of yeah takes a lot of money. I think the yes 750 some where a million dollars get into it uh per unit um but that's you know the game of public funding and what I'm seeing what I've seen is they're really trying to work out how can we reduce that.
SPEAKER_05Oh my gosh I hope they're working on that.
SPEAKER_03But you know it's like what it's like if you're going if you're waiting for a permit for a couple of years um the cost of waiting is very expensive. That's really compute into the $750,000. The the the action of Mayor Bass with the executive directive that they sign hopefully is going to help alleviate that problem. Oh good uh so so they they're really trying to understand why is it so expensive and and how can we how can we make it cheaper? Building faster, building cheaper that's really what everybody's trying to accomplish building faster and building cheaper well what about the paperwork?
SPEAKER_05Because the my friend is an advocate and he took on two brothers uh Remy they were uh Native Americans who grew up and worked on a citrus farm and they had no other means of making a living they've been on it all their life the father who had said you can live for forever because they were with their mother uh when the father died the son said goodbye and put them on the street so they found a a place to live with uh through section eight then the mother died and the two two uh boys were now fifty years old and unemployable uh because they're uh citrus workers but they're too old so they're on the street and we found them at the park up here and my friend Tommy Adams started helping them to get uh a place to live. That was four years ago Remy and one of them died and the other one has just finished 30 pages for a request to get on a ground floor. It took 30 pages to ask for a ground floor because he's 300 pounds. He gained all that weight living on the street eating the junk food. So but it's this is hopeless but uh but he may be kind of getting a place but only because he has an advocate sitting with him who answers who helps him answer the difficult questions because they want to know um where were you five years ago? I was on the street. Well what was your address? I didn't have an address this is all these nonsensical questions that they put you through how do we solve that part of the dilemma the paperwork I don't know if I have a right answer for that.
SPEAKER_03I don't know if I the paperwork is like everyone complains about it. Uh but it is it is necessary when you understand why do they need that paperwork because they have to go through such a maze and every step of that maze they require information and you need to provide that information through the paperwork. I don't have a good answer on that.
SPEAKER_05Yeah this is really hard for people who have no transportation. The the first thing is that they can't get a um address uh because they don't have a home so to get an address you have to get a post office box and that's really difficult.
SPEAKER_03So it we just have to have some uh someone help these people to get an address and a bank account was even a big problem getting a bank account and you can't do any of these things without an address right yeah it's amazing that's why it's going to be really complicated to get people off the streets and it's that's why it's so important also to try to find the solution to stop the the spigot uh so people don't end up in the streets anymore. Because right now you have you know you have so many people who end up on the streets because they become homeless because they can't afford the rent. So the That is so true. The cost of the cost of housing is so expensive that that's one of the things they really need to solve and they're really working on it.
SPEAKER_05I mean that's a big crisis and it's not LA only it's all over the country yes it's a big problem everywhere you're right but we happen to have the highest rents I've read that California has the highest rents in the country. Yep yeah well tell us it's expensive right uh tell us because you're a p filmmaker and you've got such a great diverse body of work I'm wondering um and I love the work you did on Arson Wells that was so great. So what draws you into documentary filmmaking and uh and particularly working on such pressing social issues.
SPEAKER_03You know documentary as you mentioned at the beginning I've kind of done a lot of a lot of different type of film from T V to music video and and um I was getting a little sick and tired and a little old also for doing music video and I got the opportunity to work on a documentary that was like 15 years ago and and I so much enjoyed it that I decided that that's what I'm going to do um to work on homelessness I remember the I very well remember that moment. It was early in the morning and it was in Hollywood and there was those two women pushing a cart in the middle of the street and it really touched my heart and I thought how can I help? And that's how I thought well why don't I try to make a film to show how we can help um and that's where I started. That's how I got drawn into it and that why am I still in it? Yes I don't have a good answer for that.
SPEAKER_05It's a commitment obviously you've made a commitment to do something to solve this issue and bring it to light. This is why documentaries are to me documentary filmmakers like you Remy are the salt of the earth you're our greatest asset because uh what you're doing is you're our journalist you're today's journalist you're saying here's a problem here's a potential solution you decide what you can do personally and let's solve this problem. You give us ideas you give us a problem you give us ideas for solution and uh and you get us involved because it's only when people get involved that that things work. I noticed in your film and I'm so happy you did this you took uh a group of people who were all eager to help get a ballot uh on the vote and they needed 400 signatures so there must have been maybe 50 people in the room and they all were eager and excited and they went out with their little uh uh clipboards and then they got on the street and nobody wanted to stop they just kept going like don't bother me then they knocked on doors and they said don't come to my house I don't want to see you so um we've become so sheltered from the COVID that we've lost our connection to each other and somehow it's making it even harder for the homeless to get served. So thank you for putting that in I think that's a real important wake up call to all of us.
SPEAKER_03You know there is a I think there is a new generation of new generation of politicians, a new generation of advocates and they really want to solve that problem. And they're eager to do it and they're very stubborn. They want to do it and and that's really exciting. It's really exciting to see it's really exciting to film.
SPEAKER_05Yes uh right and thank you for doing this work and because the friend I have Tom Adams he carries a huge amount of water in his cart and um Remy when he finds people on the street homeless he gives him a couple of bottles of water and they're so pleased some people just pour it all over their body because they haven't had a shower. They haven't had water on their body um and he buys um tents for them uh so that they have a little shelter at night. There are a lot of things that people can do to help the homeless uh don't be afraid of them they're really most of them are pretty nice people right they are the most fantastic people they are such be they are so beautiful people.
SPEAKER_03They're really really amazing you know they um uh have developed a couple of friendship in the streets uh they are very very nice people and you mentioned bottle of water I mean um it is is having a couple of bottles of water is you know so helpful for them when they ask you know for a dollar on the streets if you give them a bottle of water they're going to be way more happy than a dollar because they need it right away. It's something that's so vital for them and they don't have access to it.
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SPEAKER_03I say they may be more happy than a dollar I'm going to take that back but they're going to be very happy with the with the water yes with the water they're very happy.
SPEAKER_05Oh true well uh the only place for you to go is i is up just keep don't give up is what all of us is saying to you Remy keep this going because we're relying on you and and other documentary people who care.
SPEAKER_03This takes a lot of heart yeah it's difficult I mean uh funding I mean and you know that more than better than everyone funding documentary is is still very complicated and it's still very difficult. So uh it's uh and thank you for the work you do uh Carol. Um without you I actually I wouldn't probably be at that level today.
SPEAKER_05Oh thank you how kind glad we could help Remy. Um what I love is that UCLA loved the fact that you were so good on the street interviewing people. That is a great compliment to you as a filmmaker that you didn't um that y you didn't upset people that you let them be themselves and you were uh and you approached them properly. I don't know how you did it because usually they are terribly afraid of people and then of cameras and things. So it's your magic that brought it together. So thank you for this work and we we want to come back and maybe in a year and see where you are and what you've achieved with your second film Homeless.
SPEAKER_03Well hopefully in one year we'll be just achieving principal photographies um good because if everything goes according to plan I'll be filming for at least a year, yes.
SPEAKER_05Another week filming throughout the year. You'll just be finishing photography in a year.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Great ideally I'm sorry how do we donate to the film I haven't approached that question yet but if you want to donate you can send me an email and I'm sure we can find a solution for it. Oh good tell us the email then again Yeah I think the the best way is to contact me and and and I'll be happy to discuss with you uh uh about it. Um it's uh but funding is definitely a complicated thing. Um funding and finding you know the distribution and promoting the film once it's done it's uh it's a big endeavor. Filming is the big endeavor actually filming is the easy part as always, yes.
SPEAKER_05But knowing you know ahead of time that you have uh what you've done with the first one, maybe the second one can go along the same path but you definitely you will find uh that there'll be uh agencies wouldn't it be nice if you could reach some of the housing agencies in the California district they're up and down California so that these people can see what the problem is. The people working on one tiny aspect of the homelessness when they see the entire concept it might encourage them to uh help find new solutions for their job and for the people they're working with I think it could be inspirational.
SPEAKER_03Yeah and they're already doing that you know they there are many agencies in California and across the country they're really trying I mean you you have some very committed people trying to solve the problem. That's actually what makes me optimistic. I mean uh homeless Inc has uh was in development for a good two years and for two years I was thinking there is no positive solution there is no solution I need to fe I need to show something positive and it's just after digging and digging that I started seeing you know the trend that's coming that's coming now and it's very encouraging.
SPEAKER_05Oh good good I'm glad to hear that Remy well thank you very much for the interview and thank you for the work you're doing we look forward to hearing some positive uh results and good news yeah I'll be back in an in in one year then okay that's
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