39. The Business Of Podcasting

Podcasting looks simple from the outside: press record, tell a story, publish, repeat. Then you step into the industry and realise it is a mix of language quirks, listener psychology, algorithms, advertising money, and a lot of behind-the-scenes learning. We share what surprised us most after visiting the London Podcast Show, including the sheer scale of the event, how intense short networking meetings can be, and why you need to protect your energy if you want to make genuine connections.

We also zoom out to the history of podcasting itself, from how the word “podcast” was coined (and why it still carries the ghost of the iPod), to a small detail we love: many Spanish speakers say “poscat” because that consonant pairing is awkward in Spanish. From there, we get honest about why podcasts feel so comforting, how they have replaced parts of radio for many listeners, and the downside no one wants to admit: recommendation engines can trap us in beliefs we already hold, feeding an echo chamber one autoplay at a time.

Finally, we talk numbers and strategy. The podcast market is massive, podcast advertising works because listeners actually pay attention, and big-name deals show how valuable attention has become. But the heart of it stays small and human: a clear theme, a real relationship with your audience, and the grit to keep going when you feel out of your depth. If you care about the business of podcasting, starting a podcast, or growing a travel podcast community around Spain, you will take away practical lessons and a few laughs along the way. Subscribe for more, share this with a friend who loves audio, and leave us a review: what makes you hit play on a podcast every week?

Transcript

Welcome Past The Postcards

SPEAKER_00 0:06

Welcome to Made in Spain, the show that takes you past the postcards.

SPEAKER_03 0:10

We're two friends who live here absolutely love it and can't stop pulling at the thread of what makes this country tick.

SPEAKER_00 0:17

I'm Nalini and I'm Laura.

SPEAKER_03 0:19

And every week we go past the flamenco cliches and the tourist maps and the tourist traps into the food, the design, the design nurse, and the festivals and the people who make this place absolutely unforgettable. One story, one flavor. One episode at a time.

SPEAKER_00 0:34

So pour yourself something good and come along for the ride. Yay. All right. Laura, before we um get into well, we should just say we're today we're doing the podcast, but we're also talking about the business of podcasting.

SPEAKER_04 0:46

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 0:46

Because we went to uh the podcast show in London. So we'll get to that in

Listener Email From Tenerife

SPEAKER_00 0:51

a second. But first we have an email. This is Sarah from Tenerife. Uh she says that well, I mean, I think to get an email like this is really, really nice because it shows you that we are connecting with people and that we are trying to build a community. And this is from Sarah. She says, My name is Sarah, and I recently discovered your podcast. I've listened to every episode from number one and just finished the latest. I'm obsessed. I'm an expat myself. I'm Japanese and lived in Tenerife for almost 10 years. When you talked about Carnival in Trinidad, it made me want to go too. And I think Laura mentioned Tenerife's Carnival. If you ever visit the Canary Islands, it would be amazing to experience the carnival. Just wanted to say hello. And yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:36

Awesome. Sarah, thank you so much for reaching out to us with this. Uh, we promise you we will make it to the Tenerife Carnival. Can I ask you a question? Is it Tenerife or Tenerife? In Spanish is Tenerife. Okay. But in English it's tenerife. Okay. So, and one thing I'm going to break to Nalini just to get a reaction from her. Oh no. Yesterday, I was in the car listening to Soka music. I'm like, maybe I'll bring up Vanalini tomorrow. Do you want to go back to the Trinidad Carnival next year?

SPEAKER_00 2:07

This is a shout out to my sister that I'm going to tell her right now. Uh, she already said no. Please, let's do it. She said for 2020 27, no. Uh, we will revisit for 2028. Okay, please.

SPEAKER_02 2:22

So 2028, here we come. I'm already on boarding my husband.

SPEAKER_00 2:27

This is like 2028. 2028. 2028. So Trinidad Carnival Highway. And I mean, really, the year goes by really fast. So by the time this time next year, we'll already be deep in carnival preparation. Yeah, that's for my sister.

Why “Podcast” Turns Into “Poscat”

SPEAKER_00 2:42

All right. So let's talk about the history of podcasting.

SPEAKER_03 2:47

Or as you would say in Spanish, poscat.

SPEAKER_00 2:49

Can we talk about that? Yeah, sure we can. So why is it difficult? Just like I couldn't say rey. Because the the phonetically, that last sound of that small town does not exist in the English language. So flip now to podcast.

SPEAKER_03 3:11

I think it's because in Spanish we don't have any words that have a D and a C following it. That's true. Most Spanish people, when they say podcast, they say poscat. And at first I thought it was a joke, uh, because I heard like my mom and some of my family members, the poscat. And then I was in a shop somewhere and I was buying some nice dresses that I've actually worn on some of our episodes. And the lady said, Oh, you have a poscat. And I'm like, okay. So it's a thing. It's a thing. Yeah. Anyway. So Spanish people have a hard time saying the word podcast.

SPEAKER_00 3:51

But respectfully, uh, you know, it's just the way it is. Yeah. Just different languages have different phonetic combinations. It's just how it is.

SPEAKER_03 3:58

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 3:59

All right. So, history of podcasting, it is a phrase that was coined by a journalist, Ben Hammersley, in The Guardian in 2004. Basically, it's a mashup of iPod and broadcast. And somehow the name podcasts stuck.

SPEAKER_03 4:16

Yeah. Which is really funny if you think about it, because obviously podcasts are listened to in many devices that aren't Apple and you know, Spotify and all the different platforms and YouTube and blah, blah, blah. But they're all called podcasts. And, you know, you are referring to something that is an Apple product, which is the iPod, which kind of funny use anymore.

SPEAKER_00 4:41

Oh no.

SPEAKER_03 4:41

Like your iPhone's basically turned into your iPhone or your phone.

SPEAKER_00 4:45

But when we looked, I think it was maybe after the podcast show. I think we were sitting at the airport, or I don't know, something. And I one of us must have said, Why is it even called podcast? Like, what does that come from? And then we, you know, looked into it. And I said, maybe it's because it's your whatever, your iPod or something, or your ear pod. And that's where they coined the phrase. So along those lines, but you think it's just something you take for granted. You call it a podcast.

SPEAKER_03 5:15

Yes. I I love etymology of words. It's sometimes it's fascinating because we say words all day, every day, and you don't think, where does this word come from? So this is a fairly new one.

SPEAKER_00 5:27

So, and then the word hit the uh Oxford English Dictionary in 2005. Apple folded podcasts into iTunes the same year. And yeah, it's I think that's when it slowly started to kind of take off. Um yeah, I think it's just a really interesting space to be in. And

From Radio Company To On Demand

SPEAKER_00 5:49

I I don't know, like could you go a day without listening to a podcast?

SPEAKER_03 5:54

It's interesting because I have to say that before I I I listen to I still listen to music, right? But many times now I find comfort in listening to a podcast that I know or finding a new one. So sometimes when I just want to chill out or paint or do some artsy thing, I find it a lot easier to have a podcast in the background because I feel like I have company.

SPEAKER_00 6:19

Yeah, I you know what I think it is too. I think it's that human connection that we used to get from radio. But the difference with radio is that you cannot program it. You just kind of sit there and wonder what's coming up next, you know, especially if it's talk radio, for example. But if you uh I have to tell you a funny story in a second. Um if with a podcast, you uh program what is of interest to you. So sorry, this is a just a funny, completely different tangent. But I, when AirT was really little and as a baby, he'd be in the car seat, I listened to a radio station in Toronto um called 1010. So it was talk radio. And they always had their phone number on, you know, they'd always say, I can't even remember what the number was, but da da da 1010. And we went somewhere, and this is, I mean, now he's a teenager, but he was really little at the time. And the because I had it on all the time. I always wanted some kind of I was home with him, and you know, I wanted this like information all day. He thought his phone number was the radio station's phone. So somebody asked him, what's your phone number? And he gave the radio station's phone number. Radio, you know, talk radio TED Ted in Toronto. And I was, I'm like, oh my goodness, that please don't write that down. That's the radio station I listen to all day when I'm driving around the car. But it just shows you how the industry has shifted. We nobody listens to radio anymore. I mean, I'm saying that, but for the most part, that is not the medium people flock to for information.

SPEAKER_03 7:55

No, especially because you can't, like you said. Okay, so a lot of people still listen to the radio here, but I find it overwhelmingly political. Um, I am not a politically oriented person. Right. It actually stresses me out. So when I put the radio on, it's like politics, politics, you know. So I kind of like that is not a topic that interests me. So I think you can pick the topic that interests you in a podcast. Where on the radio, yeah, there may be some programs, but it's a lot harder. It's at this specific time of the day, or you know, it's just very different.

When Algorithms Feed Your Bias

SPEAKER_00 8:30

What do you think? I mean, I see all the upsides, obviously, we're doing a podcast, but all the upsides of listening to a podcast, having a podcast, what do you think the downside of this type of content is?

SPEAKER_03 8:43

Uh, I think if people don't get into it for the right reasons. So I think that if you start a podcast, for example, if you're in the podcasting world and you're trying to build something just to make money or, you know, something that is not truly dear and near to your heart, uh, I feel like it could be almost like people who get into content creation and they don't pick an area where they really love it. Right. I think it could be demoralizing. You know, you have to have the hosts and the people who are behind the mice need to love what they're doing. And that's, I think it really shows.

SPEAKER_00 9:18

I think so too. And and I thought one of the sort of well, one of the things that I can see, the one of the downsides is that if you have a political belief or any kind of belief, religious belief, political belief, uh, you know, a certain set of morals, you can go on to wherever you listen to your podcast, you know, that's a famous phrase, um, and find content that supports your belief. And the algorithm would even feed that more.

SPEAKER_03 9:48

So even if you're not searching for it, you know, if you search for us, then all of a sudden you're gonna be, you know, looking for a rent feed tickets.

SPEAKER_04 9:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:57

A lot of like Spain-related content. If you listen to Joe Rogan, you know, you're going to get things that are very similar to what he talks about. So it may feed your bias. Yeah. So maybe that's one thing to think about is when you are picking or listening, maybe venture out sometimes, you know, to things that are not your natural books that exactly, you know, grow out of your books.

SPEAKER_00 10:22

I think so. Yeah. I was I was thinking about that this week, uh, you know, just preparing for the show. And I thought, gee, I wonder what a a downside would be. And it's just that the ability, it allows you to double down on whatever belief that you have and maybe not explore the other side of it.

SPEAKER_03 10:39

Exactly. Yes, just like your Netflix algorithm. Yeah. Which by the way, Recom is off campus.

SPEAKER_00 10:47

Yeah. Save that for another time. Okay. So,

The Money Behind Modern Podcasting

SPEAKER_00 10:51

do you want to go through the list of some of the most profitable podcasts and their value? I can categorically say it is not ours. Yes, correct. But it's not ours yet.

SPEAKER_03 11:02

Let's talk about the actual business of podcasting. So the money.

SPEAKER_00 11:07

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 11:08

Globally, the podcast market is worth nearly $40 billion. Right. So 2025 uh up from 31 billion in 2024. In the US, podcast advertising alone has skyrocketed to $4 billion. We're talking big numbers here.

SPEAKER_00 11:28

Yeah. And that is, I mean, even when I was kind of doing the research, it is an astronomical amount of money for uh content creation that is it. I I feel almost as if it's the Wild West.

SPEAKER_03 11:42

It may be the Wild West, but at the same time, I totally see why it is worth investing in podcast advertising, and I'm not giving ourselves a plug here. Okay, I can remember the couple of podcasts that I listen to all the time. For example, uh Heart Starts Pounding, you know, uh they always talk about Quinn's clothing and blah blah. I can tell you all the sponsors on there because I am a captive audience. You know, I'm sitting there listening, and sometimes I'm not gonna skip through those ads. So I listen to the ads multiple times and I end up recognizing the brands. And I also think, oh, cool, these people are sponsoring something that I like. You know, it's not like when you're watching TV and it's very generic. So I think that there's a lot of power in podcast advertising.

SPEAKER_00 12:27

And I think uh well, in my case, if there's something wellness related, it does kind of pique my interest. And I think, oh, this is interesting. I should look this up. So it does, it works because also when you have created in your mind this relationship with this this type of content, not necessarily with the host, but with the content. That's your I mean, the the podcast that I really like, Dish, I love on a Wednesday that I know I get to listen to it. So I listen to it even if I'm doing stuff in the house or I'm cooking or I'll save it. That's the other thing. It's like a treat to have that half hour uninterrupted where I'm stepping into this other world. And I get to pretend that I'm friends too with that actor or singer, or sometimes I don't even know who they are, but they're just a really interesting person. I I think that's where podcasts really help that individual connect. Yes, you know. So, okay, we're talking about money, which again, this is a business. We do it because we love it. We're trying to slowly turn it turn it into, you know, a very successful lucrative business. Yes. But we're not at the Joe Rogan level. Nobody is, let's be honest. So, some of the most profitable podcasts and their value. You want to read that out?

SPEAKER_03 13:49

Joe Rogan went exclusive to Spotify in 2020 for a reported 200 million dollars plus. And then you have 2024 non-exclusive deals worth up to 250 million, uh, that then put him back on Apple, Amazon Music, and YouTube. Alex Cooper from Caller Daddy. Yes. Sirius XM reported $125 million. Uh Crime Junkie, that's what the space I would be in, reported reportedly turned $45 million in profit in 2024. That's uh from Bloomberg and other big headline names. Patrick Bet David, $350 million, Logan Paul, $155 million, New Heights, $149 million, and Steven Barlett, who I have to say out of this whole list is the only person I actually listen to sometimes. Oh, really? Yeah, Diary of a CEO. I listen to that quite a bit. 90 million. And I know there's controversy around that because a lot of people don't like him, think he's a little bit sexist.

SPEAKER_00 14:52

Listen, I the only thing I don't listen to his podcast, I will listen to if it's an interview-based podcast, if I like the guest being interviewed. So I do listen to Joe Rogan, but I will listen to him if I like the guest. And often when you get that really long format where it's an hour or two hours long, you really get to know that person, whether it's a celebrity or a politician. Like, for example, um, the leader of the opposition party in Canada, uh, Pierre Polivaire, he was on the Joe Rogan podcast and he was, I had a whole new respect for him. It doesn't mean I agree with him. I'm gonna agree or disagree or whatever my political belief is, but I had a whole new respect for him because I really got to kind of know him in that format. Whether it's a show or not, I don't know. But it could be him, it could be somebody else. It just gives you that deep dive. So for me, it's guest-dependent, but I will say with Steven Bartlett, I think he should know more than he pretends to know.

SPEAKER_03 15:54

He knows more than he pretends to. He's like, okay, we got it. Like at the beginning, we were asking these questions like, oh, you know, but now I'm like, just be real. Like you know more than most of the people that you're interviewing.

SPEAKER_00 16:06

Well, yeah. And I think, you know, he'll ask a question like, so if I take melatonin before bat, I'll fall asleep. I'm like, What?

SPEAKER_04 16:13

Really?

SPEAKER_00 16:14

Like, are you actually asking this question for real? Like, how do you not know the answer to this question?

SPEAKER_03 16:20

What is the name of that gentleman? Um, Bill Maher? Marr. Yeah, Bill Marr. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 16:28

I'm saying it phonetically, I don't know why, but Bill Marr.

SPEAKER_03 16:31

So I tried to watch that episode in the Joe Rogan podcast. Oh, I didn't. I just ten minutes. I had I had to turn it off.

SPEAKER_00 16:39

Oh, why? He was offensive. I don't know any, I don't really follow him.

SPEAKER_03 16:42

He's very sexist.

SPEAKER_00 16:44

Very sexist.

SPEAKER_03 16:44

And it's for me, it's like, again, I understand Joe Rogan and I have respect for him for this. Interviews, people that he agrees with, he disagrees with, all of that. I have a lot of respect for that. But two hours of having to listen to things that I find put women down. Offensive. He just couldn't do it.

SPEAKER_00 17:03

No, I agree. I agree. But we've also mentioned a lot of uh male-led podcasts. Yeah. Do you have a preference for female-led podcasts?

SPEAKER_03 17:12

Yeah. Heart starts pounding. Kaylin Moore. She is fantastic. I think she just does a great job. And I feel like she's my friend. That is delusional, okay? Caitlin, sorry. But it it but I do. She just, you know, she gave birth to uh her firstborn like a few months ago. And I've been listening to that podcast for a couple of years, so now her sponsors are like baby milk and things that, you know, so I do find that, yeah, she's done fantastic. And she's uh one of the other things I really admire about Heart Starts Pounding is that it's one person. Like she's doing it, like she doesn't interview people like us in many ways. Right. You know, she doesn't bring people on the podcast, so it's a lot of research and you know, her kind of putting the grid in.

SPEAKER_00 18:02

I will just say a quick shout out to Danica Patrick because I really uh I for a while I really followed her. From the she was a former uh NASA director. Yeah. So and then she was an F1 commentator and that she was uh I don't want to say fired, but maybe let go of being an F1 commentator. I don't know why. Some cited her political beliefs, I'm not sure. I really like her and um I really liked her podcast because she was very curious about a just about a variety of different things. I thought, yeah, that was really interesting. So I think it's a space that still is quite male dominated. So you have to get the female voices out there that I would hope is not just um, you know, I don't know, in the wellness space or fashion or whatever is typically considered to be female. Yes. I 100% agree. Okay, now do you think that I found this really interesting that the podcast space that's growing uh is a space where you have betting in Southeast Asia on cricket? No idea. Yes, yeah, that's apparently yeah, a growing area of content creation. That if you have a podcast that talks about the cricket teams, betting sites will sponsor those podcasts. Interesting. So think about the population of Southeast Asia, think about the how many people actually watch cricket. I don't watch it, I don't follow it.

SPEAKER_03 19:33

But I I mean, if you looked at it, I do not so sorry, a game that can go on for five days and you don't have one side winning.

SPEAKER_00 19:41

No, but I don't understand cricket, but when you look at it, it's a very ignorant thing to say on my part. And I don't know. I know mine. I know mine. However, you look at the population of the world and the percentage that follows cricket, it's I'm going to say big, probably a lot more than the NFL. Yeah. A hundred percent. You know, so it's just yeah, in I think it's interesting that that's a space that's growing. Now you have podcasts listening one hour plus per week. South Africa tops the list at 68%. What is going on in South Africa? I don't know. Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Thailand, US doesn't come in until like 39%. And then you have, well, Canada, for example, at 31% and Japan at 10%.

SPEAKER_03 20:28

And Spain, shout out 41%.

SPEAKER_00 20:31

Yeah, Spain 41%. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 20:33

I thought it was really interesting that because sometimes when we get our stats in, it is interesting that our we have been top 10 in Travel and Places podcasts in out of these countries, in uh Indonesia, in Spain, in Japan, and in I believe Saudi Arabia.

SPEAKER_00 20:59

I think so too. Yeah, I remember you mentioning that to me. So you look at that and then you look at the actual consumption and how long they listen to it, that kind of makes sense now. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 21:08

Don't you think? It does.

What We Learned In London

SPEAKER_00 21:10

So do you want to talk about the podcast show in London?

SPEAKER_03 21:12

So podcast show in London, very well-organized event. It was a in the business design center in Isleington or Islington?

SPEAKER_00 21:23

The Canadian way of saying it would be Islington. Okay. It's probably wrong, but that's how a Canadian would say it, Islington.

SPEAKER_03 21:31

So there. So what was really funny in this business design center is that they have a lot of shops that are like uh for home decoration. And Nalini and I were getting so pulled into like, oh my god, look at this, like, you know, kitchen decoration, look at this, look at that. And that had nothing to do with the podcast, yeah. So some numbers, this was the fifth edition, it was 10,000 plus attendees, and wow, yeah, it's a Lot of people, 53 countries, 450 speakers, some better than others, I will say. Uh, but networking is definitely the top reason that people go. To put that in perspective, I think Melini and I, within a two-day period, had 20 meetings.

SPEAKER_00 22:18

We did. We talked and talked and talked, and it's also just little kind of um, I would call them what you could say for organizing your work, Pomodoro.

SPEAKER_03 22:29

Yes, yes, you know, the Pomodoro technique.

SPEAKER_00 22:31

Yeah, these little, tiny little bites. Yes. You know, little tiny little things. So it's 10 minutes, you get 10 minutes, and for the most part, they stick to it. It's not like it ends up being 40 minutes or even 20 minutes. It's like the 10 minutes, and you, you know, you thank them very much. Thank you so much for your time, and they have to move on as well.

SPEAKER_03 22:48

So I think we should shout out a few of the people that we met that, you know, did a lovely job of how they came across. We had uh A V Cayari. Uh, she was lovely. And we also had uh Jam X as well, uh Mercury podcast, uh that again, very interesting network, and we had uh Global Studios as well as Bloomberg. Bloomberg.

SPEAKER_00 23:17

We talked about a couple BBC pitches.

SPEAKER_03 23:19

Yes, and we had a lot of different media companies that we were able to connect with there: Eurowaves and you know, Julian and Andrea. There are so many great people that we met, and I think one thing that I would take away from all of that is on reflection, if you're going to any event that is this kind of like networking, etc., you have to almost prep for it in the sense that you need your energy.

SPEAKER_00 23:44

Energy. You need your energy, and I mean, all transparency here. When we started the first minutes in there, and you know, you start talking to people, Laura and I, I I mean, I'm speaking for you, but this is the truth. Uh, we didn't know what they were talking about. Like on the technical side of it, they're throwing out all these words and phrases, and we're just like, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:09

Actually, I think the single funniest moment for me was when someone asked, Where are you hosting your show? And I turned around and said, Our house. Which turned out that they meant like hosting online, like the platform, like BuzzPrat or Captivate or Megaphone or whatever it is. But literally, I stood there and said, our house, because you know, again, I didn't know what they were talking about. And I thought they meant hosting as in filming the actual part of the state.

SPEAKER_00 24:42

I mean, that was very kind. I don't know what we meant. I I think it was a woman who asked us the question. Where are you hosting it in at our house? And I was like, I don't think that's the question. I don't think that's the question. Not that I know more than Laura does. I can guarantee you that. But it is just the aspect of I'm really proud of us that we put ourselves out there. We did not know what we were going to do, get seen, get out of it, anything. We just said, you know what, let's give it a go.

SPEAKER_03 25:14

I mean, I will say I have to recognize Nalini, though. I have to take a moment to recognize my co-host here because there was a few things that really kind of came out for me that were, first of all, she's the one that had the idea of going to something like this because we are, you know, where we live and what we do, we're in a bit of a bubble. And, you know, we speak with each other, we speak with our families, with our friends, with work-related stuff as well that has nothing to do with podcasts. So she said, you know, I think we need to go to like a professional event. Talk to people, talk to people who are in the business. So I'm like, okay. Um, you know, we looked at the US, we looked at the UK. I think both of us are very drawn to the UK for a number of reasons. The podcast we listen to, and the banter, a lot of different things. So I think that thank you for recommending that. And the other thing that came out as well that I thought was really good is we really before anything, before this podcast or anything else, we're friends. And our friendship is what makes this podcast special.

SPEAKER_00 26:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:13

And I think you know, that was a really big lesson learned for me from that.

SPEAKER_00 26:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:17

Did can you tell them of me chasing Piers Morgan? Oh, yes, please. In my fields. The most embarrassing moment was me saying that we host the podcast in our house. The highlight of the podcast show was Piers Morgan, who, by the way, huge respect for Piers.

SPEAKER_00 26:33

Listen, you can people message me after they're like, why would you take a picture with him? And I said, Because I wanted to. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:40

Like I I like Pierce Morgan.

SPEAKER_00 26:41

You I may not agree with everything he said, but I can respect his contribution to society.

SPEAKER_03 26:48

In this polarized world that we live in, sometimes you don't have to agree with the people that you follow or that you like. So again, Nalini said, you know, I want to take a picture with Pierce Morgan. I'm like, it's gonna be impossible. There's 10,000 people here. Everybody wants to get near him. He was one of the key speakers of the whole conference. The key speaker, the most recognizable at least. So, because of her broadcasting background and the fact that I don't think she gives up, you know, she said, no, I'm getting a picture with him. He she went over to the security gentleman and said, like, have you seen Pierce Morgan walking through this door? And he's like, Who, what? Anyway, she ran after Pierce Morgan in her stiletto heels through a cobblestone path. Valentino's, by the way. I was very surprised she didn't fly and then managed to get a picture with Pierce Morgan.

SPEAKER_00 27:43

Well, thank God, because your husband was running behind me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:46

He's like, come on. And you may wonder, where were you, Laura? I was sitting there with all our handbags that I wasn't going to leave unattended.

SPEAKER_00 27:53

So I ran him chasing Mr. Morgan, Mr. Morgan, Mr. Morgan. And he finally turned and I said, Do you mind if I have a picture? And he said, Yeah, of course. And uh he was super nice. I mean, listen, you can like him or hate him. I don't really care. But I just think that you go to a big show like that and you want to see or meet the, you know, the big ticket on the you know, the entire conference. And your husband, because we were doing a meeting, um, Jeff was able to listen to his talk. And he said it was fantastic. It was a really, really informative talk. So I think that's a a good lesson. You may not like the political views of the person there. However, when they're giving a business talk and they're they are successful, you can take something out of that.

SPEAKER_03 28:36

100%. I could not agree more.

SPEAKER_00 28:38

Yeah.

Biscuits With Cava And Glass Lore

SPEAKER_00 28:39

So with that, people, we're on to our slice of life. Slice of life. Slice of life. So, in honor of the um podcast show in London, where we are having this. This is biscuits roses de riams, which is from French, but it's from Fort Fortnum and Mason, uh, established in 1707. This is this. And you apparently have to have it with champagne. So we're having the Spanish version of a kata. Um, I know.

SPEAKER_02 29:14

Right. So can I ask you a really silly question? Are these glasses intentionally shaped like boobs?

SPEAKER_00 29:22

Yes. We, yeah, if you drink champagne, anything sparkling, bubbly, these are technically the wrong glasses to drink in. But if you're gonna have these biscuits, you kind of need a glass like this.

SPEAKER_03 29:35

Okay, so here's the glass that Marie Antoinette used to drink champagne out of.

SPEAKER_00 29:40

Well, it was shaped, these champagne glasses were based on the shape of her breast. Okay. So you you should be drinking it in a flute, not that I'm an expert, please, but in a flute because it keeps the um carbonation. So this allows the carbonation to escape faster, the flute allows it to stay longer and give you that the bubbles. Do you like the biscuit?

SPEAKER_03 30:04

I do, and I just got sugar all over my body.

SPEAKER_00 30:07

Oh, that's I do. Yeah. I'm gonna say these are not my favorite. I'm gonna try it. I'm gonna try it. But I do yeah, it's not my favorite. No, this time I like it. But I think because I like the cavamore. Yeah. Whatever we had last time, Moeb. Okay, never a sponsor now. Bye, Moeb.

SPEAKER_03 30:40

No, it was don't get me wrong, it was good, but it was a little bit more acidic and I didn't like it.

SPEAKER_00 30:46

This I can get behind. This I'm liking. Okay. All right, I'm gonna finish the biscuit while you okay.

Hustle And Resilience With Angelica Robles

SPEAKER_03 30:55

So for our slice of life today, we wanted to talk about one of the people who has inspired us to keep growing in the podcast industry, and that is Angelica Robles. Uh Angelica and I met quite a few years ago, and it's very interesting. When I first met her, I had no idea about her background. I actually met her because she was doing some work with a foundation called Kosi, C O C I.

SPEAKER_04 31:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 31:22

And it was a philanthropic effort, and I found her to be very approachable, etc., but really no idea about her background. I knew that she was a very strong, resilient woman. I know that she's done the swim to Alcatraz. She's done like, you know, the iron, yes, yeah. You know the Iron Man? Like the Iron Iron Woman, I guess, or I don't know. Really?

SPEAKER_00 31:44

Yeah, she's in very cold water. Shout out Angelica.

SPEAKER_03 31:48

Yeah, she is like a tough cookie.

SPEAKER_01 31:51

Wow. So as I eat my biscuit.

SPEAKER_03 31:53

Yes, exactly. So after a while, uh, you know, she's gone through a lot of different things, but now she's building a basically a media empire. She has a podcast, she has her book uh through these brown eyes that again fully recommend the book. Uh, really suggests to uh read it, especially if you want to understand how important it is to be resilient. And at the end of the day, it's yes, your context, what happens to you in your life, it could break you or make you. And in this case, I think with Angelica, it has really kind of you know turned her into this powerhouse of a woman that you know she does things on her terms, and I really respect that. So some of the things that she suggested to Nalini and I was really around the hustle. Like, look, you gotta hustle, you gotta reach out to people, you gotta keep growing. Because if we want to grow this project, for all of you who, you know, listen to us and want to come along on this journey as the Maid in Spain community grows, you know, we have to continue growing that. And that takes some grit and it takes some resilience.

SPEAKER_00 32:58

It takes grit, resilience, and also just a belief in what you're doing. That at the end of it, I don't, I mean, yes, listen, it would be fantastic if Apple or Spotify or ACAS came in and said, Hey, here's a uh, you know, a car full of money and we want to bring you guys on board. Obviously, if that was offered to pretty much any podcast, they would take it. But the initial impetus for doing this was because we really wanted to. We wanted to, and we like spending time with with each other. And I think it's really important that when you're doing any kind of project, yes, obviously there's a monetary attachment to it. Either you can afford to do it or you can't, and you want to make money, but there has to be a love of it, first of all. Yes, and I I think it's really fascinating that you know people will say things about us online that, you know, they assume that we're foreign or we're this or that. And why are you talking about this? Or but it's because we experience it and we want to experience it. And I think if we didn't have this podcast, I think we would have just gone from our homes to the beach to a restaurant back home, and that would have been our day-to-day. This vehicle has given us a whole world of opportunity to explore.

SPEAKER_03 34:16

If you're passionate about a topic and there's something you love, and maybe you have a friend that you can bring along, you know, do it. Like, don't think about it too much because it can take you in all kinds of unexpected directions. So I'm going to say kind of a headline about Angelica just to kind of close this part out. Publish international best-selling author, former forensic investigator and interrogator, turned speaker, and the memoir is really about resilience. So I don't want to give too much more away because we are going to interview her eventually on the podcast, but I really do recommend for you know any woman that is struggling through anything, find those people that can be that inspiration and motivation, whoever they are, because it can really help you to see there are options, there are choices that you can make. And, you know, if you are passionate about something, you can build it into something for sure.

SPEAKER_00 35:18

And I think what people don't see about us specifically is that they think people think, oh, we have this team. And I mean, I think that was a really eye-opening thing from the podcast show. People kept referring to, oh, your team, your team, and your manager. You're a team of no one except our wonderful producer, Carlos. And I mean, sometimes we had to inflate it to make it sound as if we have this team of people helping us do everything, but that's not the reality. We come up with things ourselves, we execute our ideas ourselves. If we talk about something, it's because we've experienced it.

SPEAKER_03 35:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:53

And I would hope that authenticity comes through.

SPEAKER_03 35:56

Thank you for listening. Yeah, absolutely. We are

Spain Fun Facts And A Saying

SPEAKER_03 35:59

going to end with two fun facts about Spain.

SPEAKER_00 36:01

Okay, this is completely random. Uh random fun facts. It is actually random. Um, did you know the mop was invented in Spain?

SPEAKER_03 36:09

So Nalini called me yesterday before we were doing this episode and in the planning, and she said, you know, did you know the mop was invented in the mop? What? Yeah, no, I did not know it was invented in Spain.

SPEAKER_00 36:23

So it is, I mean, okay, Manuel Jalan Corominas. Woo oop. Yeah, okay. Close, okay, close enough. Spanish engineer invented the mop. And until then, people had to kneel down to sort of clean the floor. Maybe there was a very, I don't know, a different way. But when we're talking about the mop, we're talking about the bucket that could actually squint, yeah, wring the water out, the one that we have with the pedal. So it was happened in 1956. He was an engineer, and I think he, I don't know if he would worked on a US Army base, something to that effect, um, and saw how the men were cleaning the floor and thought, oh, there's gotta be a better way. Came up with this idea, displayed this mop bucket situation. I think mop and bucket is they're two very funny words together. But anyway, in Saragoza. And okay, the price for it was at the time 356-ish pesetas.

SPEAKER_01 37:26

I told Melini when she told me this story. Like, is that that's a lot of money? That's a lot of money, especially in 1956.

SPEAKER_03 37:33

It is. And I I told you when I was like 14, 13, I was getting 500 pesadas allowance for the whole week. And also not 100. So that would have been in the 2000s. Yeah, it was many years ago, 1956. And again, 500 pesadas was is a lot of money. 390 whatever Posadas or 56 Posadas at the time is a lot of money. Like I would have to look into exactly how much that would have gotten you in my head. The like easiest way to understand how much how far money goes is like by the price of coffee, like a cafe colete. But it was a lot of money. So it was a luxury item.

SPEAKER_00 38:12

Just consider a luxury item. But he thought, okay, well, this is going to change the way, particularly women, have to do their housework. So the first the story goes, the first salesperson, uh, he wanted to call it a fregazuelos, but the person who was selling the mop bucket combination called it a fregona.

SPEAKER_03 38:37

Yeah. For a while, the fregona was kind of like also a symbol of that's what quote unquote women do. Fregona is like uh, you know, the woman of the house, or whatever. But I think it's it's so it had almost like a I would say almost like a little bit of a, you know, you're supposed to stay in the house sort of vibe. I mean, there, you know, in history, there have been times where people would buy their wives or their significant other uh, you know, something like that for a present. Yes. What a mop in a bucket is uh yeah. Dude, this used to be a very misogynistic country, still is to some extent. I mean, let's be real, it is everywhere.

SPEAKER_00 39:22

I mean, I'm just saying, can you imagine getting a mop in a bucket for a present?

SPEAKER_03 39:25

Yeah, it would end up like, you know, I would put the bucket over my husband's, you know, head if that was the case. But I think it is an amazing invention. Same thing as the dishwasher. I mean, it's like, come on, something that doesn't tie you up to having to do a horrible amount of work. So, and the other fun fact that we wanted to share with you is a brand that you may have not known was Spanish. I actually thought it was Mexican.

SPEAKER_00 39:52

Okay, so do you have these in Canada? I don't know, but possibly, but I honestly thought I actually had a verbal argument. I'm like, they have to be Mexican, and he's like, no, no, no, they're Spanish.

SPEAKER_03 40:05

So I just love the name of the brand, Chupa Chups. Yeah. Chupa Chups. No, he's like, and the cool thing is that Dali, Salvador Dali actually designed their logo, and it has been the same since 1969. Wow. So this Chupa Chups logo, which again, so you know, I got this at a gas station. I every gas station, all these different places have it. I mean, how would you know that you're buying something that was designed by Salvador Dali? You wouldn't.

SPEAKER_00 40:38

No, but you now know. We share the information. Fun facts. So fun facts. So the next time you pick up the mop and you press it with the battle. It's a Spanish invention.

SPEAKER_03 40:50

And same thing with the chupa chups. So with that, we're getting to our saying of the day. Okay. Okay. You ready? I am ready.

unknown 41:04

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 41:05

Okay, so oh my goodness. Sorry. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. Um talking. We're talking.

SPEAKER_03 41:13

By talking we say it again.

SPEAKER_00 41:20

By talking, we understand each other. Did I get it? Yes, you did. Word by word.

SPEAKER_03 41:26

I have to send my tutor these clips. By talking, people understand each other. It's basically, you know, why I think it's so wonderful with podcasts. By people expressing themselves, by people sharing their passions, what they know about, their research. We understand each other so we can connect in a different way. Yes. So Halando se entiende la gente.

SPEAKER_01 41:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:50

Good show. Nice. Everybody, thank you very much for coming along with this uh journey that we're on. And we're looking forward to the next episode. And can't wait for you to continue to be a part of the Made in Spain podcast community. Yeah. Cuenca, here we come. Bye, Brendan.