Ep5: Paranormal: A Haunting: Where Demons Dwell

Join Amy and Dawn as they dive into "A Haunting: Where Demons Dwell" and debate whether demonic possession should be a valid courtroom defense. Can you really blame a devil for making bad decisions? Tune in for the verdict!

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1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,680 [Music] 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:19,680 Hello and welcome to our podcast Talk Gruesome To Me, where we talk about movies and shows that cover true crime, paranormal and horror. 3 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:27,920 I am one of your hosts, Dawn. I am currently located in Los Angeles and I think I'm pretty well versed in the horror genre, 4 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:35,360 especially those 80s classics. A quick fun fact about me? I have a very extensive crystal collection. 5 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:43,920 Hello, I'm Amy. I'm from Kentucky and my area of expertise for this podcast is paranormal. A few fun facts about me. 6 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:50,240 I'm an empath, I collect old dolls and you know, I've never flown on an airplane. Can you believe that? 7 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:57,120 Now, Don and I are also obsessed with true crime, so here we are. Talk Gruesome To Me. 8 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:07,120 Hello and welcome to our first paranormal episode. I would like to throw a couple of little disclaimers out here. 9 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:14,240 Number one, I am recording from an RV park and I keep hearing these really loud trucks drive by, so 10 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:25,040 you may hear one, apologies now and the second is it has been horrible with the humidity or lack thereof here in California. 11 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:32,800 The humidity has been about 20%. So my nose has been very stuffy, so I apologize. There's nothing I can do. 12 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,840 It's been like this for weeks and I can't wait for it to stop. 13 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:41,680 Well, I think you sound fine and I'm sure everybody will be okay, but your low disclaimers are taken. 14 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,200 Thank you. 15 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:54,960 Perfect. So this week we are going to the true crime side. We watched a documentary of A Haunting: Where Demons Dwell and that was aired in 2006. 16 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,800 Now, of course, I want to go ahead and give you a disclaimer just like Dawn did. 17 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:03,440 Anything we discuss in these podcasts, of course, are our own personal opinions. 18 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:08,880 You may have different opinions and that's okay. We all have them, but we're just giving you what we think. 19 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:16,240 This one is a, like we have discussed in number one episode one, this is a really good case to cover. 20 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:24,000 There's so many different things to look at. So many different accounts, like so many people seen what was going on. 21 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,160 So I'm ready to dig into this episode and see what Dawn thought about it as well. 22 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,200 And they're not all going to tie in like this. 23 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:37,520 We typically aren't going to cover the same exact stories when we cover all three true crime, 24 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:46,800 paranormal and the horror aspect. But since this case was so big, we decided to just cover all three of those with the same story. 25 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,240 And the show in general, let me just talk about it. 26 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:58,000 I've been watching A Haunting. It started around the time when this episode came out. This was season two. 27 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,880 I believe episode four, but I'm not 100% on that. 28 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:10,320 The show started a long time ago. I've watched a ton of episodes. I hate the reenactments that they have on them. 29 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:20,400 But I keep watching it. I don't know. The show ended also, just to add that as well. It ended after I think 11 seasons, a couple of years ago, 21-22. 30 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:28,400 But I have watched and I continue to watch episodes of A Haunting, even though I can't stand the reenactments. 31 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:33,520 I mean, you gotta admit, 11 seasons is a good run. Make it make sense. I don't know. 32 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:38,560 It's a good run. Yeah. And I definitely like the show. 33 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:45,040 I just, it's just those reenactments. That's all. No big deal. It's a good show. Everyone should watch. 34 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:50,480 Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes I just feel like it loses my interest. Yeah. 35 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,320 A little lower half way sometimes. That's the only thing I hate about it. 36 00:03:54,320 --> 00:04:09,360 But I will say after some research that I have done and watching this one, I don't know if I'm not going to say this one might possibly be a little bit on the truer side than some of the points on Netflix. 37 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:18,160 And again, I'm just going by research. Me and Dawn have already went over how it is actually quite hard to do research. 38 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:28,160 And we both tried and Dawn and I also have set and just been like, I've heard this, I've read this. What do you have? And we both got different things. 39 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:35,280 So I just feel like this one might possibly have tied along with some more of the other research that I've come up with. 40 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:44,320 And it's so weird. I mean, because Netflix does great shows. So when you said you thought maybe the haunting was more accurate. 41 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:55,680 I was pretty surprised, however, maybe because that was so long ago. It was more fresh. I don't know. I don't know why that would be more accurate. 42 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:07,600 Although, yeah, they didn't cover as much of the story because at the end, and I know I'm skipping ahead, they didn't cover the whole Arne aspect of it. 43 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:18,880 They only covered the actual possession part of it, which is why we're covering it in the paranormal episode. But I don't know. I thought that was odd that they only covered the David portion. 44 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:28,960 Yeah, yeah, I agree. They, but it is called A Haunting. I guess you're getting, you're getting what you're seeing from the get go. 45 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:37,920 But yeah, I kind of do agree with you because there's so much more. What was it seven, eight months after that? All of this went down with Arne. 46 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:46,320 So I mean, there was so much more to that story. Right. And I feel like I don't know. Again, I feel like with the reenactments, it kind of threw me off. 47 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:54,080 I even, even though we were doing this podcast on that episode, I even had a hard time paying attention. I'm not gonna lie. 48 00:05:54,080 --> 00:06:06,720 I don't know. I know. Yeah. But I think it was interesting that they didn't have David on. I thought that was odd. Yes. I don't know why. I agree with you 100%. 49 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:14,320 Yeah, I thought that was very strange. And maybe it took him all these years to feel okay talking about the story. 50 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:21,680 That is, I mean, and he did sort of mention that, you know, in the Netflix episode. So that does make a lot of sense. 51 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:30,800 Next question I want to ask is do you believe, what is your opinion? Do you think this was really a demonic possession? 52 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:44,800 I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I want to believe it. But like I said in the last coverage of the, The Devil On Trial, unless it hits me in my own face, I'm so skeptical. 53 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:57,600 And there's nothing in either of these episodes that made me say, oh yeah, except the one thing I guess was the director's comment where he said, 54 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:02,160 as many times as I interviewed all of these people, their story has never wavered. 55 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:11,200 Right. Maybe the one thing that gets me leaning on that side, but I don't know it's so hard because I'm such a skeptic. 56 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:21,440 Right. I don't know. I think with you had all the family members, you had Ed Lorraine Warren, you had the priest. 57 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:33,200 You, I mean, all those people backing it up. I don't know. I guess I look at it as do you really think the Catholic Church would want to be associated and be quiet about something they felt was a sham? 58 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:46,880 That is a good point. The church was involved. And I, I know that they, before they'll take a case, they assess it. So yes, I mean, I don't think they would just jump on something that they don't believe in. 59 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:58,880 That's, see, that's what gets me in, like at the trial. They were there. They realized that they wasn't going to, that they wasn't going to be able to use the actual possession as the defense. 60 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:07,440 So what they do, got up and quietly walked away. You've never heard another thing from them. So I don't know that really, that really gets me. 61 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:14,720 And then also Lorraine going and being like, hey, something's going to happen. I see a knife. Someone's going to get hurt. 62 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:22,080 Oh, that was weird. I don't know. That was another one thing that I, I thought was odd because that came from an actual cop. 63 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:31,680 Right. Yeah, I totally, I don't know. I kind of wish that this episode went a little deeper. Is it a documentary? It was, it's a show. It's a show. 64 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:41,360 It's a show. So yeah, I felt like I wish that this show, this episode went a little deeper into what actually happened. 65 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:50,240 Paranormal. Right. I would say I would call the Netflix one more of a documentary than a show. And this one probably more of a show than a documentary. 66 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,600 You're probably, you're right. Yeah, don't listen to me. It doesn't. 67 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:59,040 It makes it a show. I don't know. Yeah. I'll stop talking about the right. 68 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:13,120 But I just feel like, so do we want to stay directly on this show or do we want to add in other research of things that we have found about the case that does it? 69 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:19,760 Well, we're going to cover it again into our conversation. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, we're going to cover it again when we do the horror one 70 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:28,320 in two weeks. So we could incorporate facts on that one and two. Since we're doing a three-for on this one topic. 71 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:36,720 Yes, that's so exciting that this one is able to go for all of them. Yeah. Yeah, that's so exciting. Yeah, that's not going to happen very often. I don't think. 72 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:43,840 But we wanted to come out. And like we said, with demons and devils and come out with a bang, speaking of which. 73 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:51,520 Absolutely. Do you want to tell them what you found about David’s, the number of possessions that you read about? 74 00:09:51,520 --> 00:10:03,200 During research, they said that David was possessed, but it was 43 or 44 demonic entities wild. I don't know. Yeah, that's wild. 75 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:13,440 But that's why they said that it took so long to exercise him. Like it was a long exercise because he had so much going on and so many entities attached to him 76 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:22,000 trying to take a soul and supposedly in some of the research that I had read, he had been fighting to keep his soul for several days. 77 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:30,000 That little old guy with the horns, we're back on him. He was coming to him and he was talking to him through, you know, visions. 78 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:40,800 And he would see him show up at times. So I found that interesting as well because I don't remember anything Netflix didn't really talk about too many visions. 79 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:48,240 A couple, but there was more visions I had actually found in research that was supposedly said to have happened. 80 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:59,120 Yeah, I don't that just seems so extreme. I don't know. That's one of the facts that makes me not want to believe to be honest. 81 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:08,960 That just sounds absurd. I don't know. Which still we're all the way back to the same question we ended with on the episode before this. 82 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:17,040 What happened in that house and I think is it doesn't take much to make me not believe and then hearing a fact like that. 83 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:32,320 It makes me question, my head knows. I mean, I totally get it. I get it. I don't know. I'm definitely loving going back and watching the clips from back in the 80s. 84 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:39,680 I really that do enjoy that in the aspect of Netflix and A Haunting, let me say, some of the older clips. Right. 85 00:11:39,680 --> 00:11:47,920 Well, and this one they had Lorraine Warren on. I'm assuming when they filmed the Netflix documentary that she had already passed. 86 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:55,120 I'm sure. Yes. What year did that one come out in? I think it was last year. Okay. I can't remember when she passed. It's been a few years though. 87 00:11:55,120 --> 00:12:05,440 So that would make sense. So I did like that she was in A Haunting. It made it more legit. I guess since she was in the episode, I don't know. 88 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:13,360 I agree. I do kind of like to watch him and her discuss it. And you know how Shannon had brought up the tripping up the stairs. 89 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:23,280 That was actually supposedly I guess rumored to be something that was happening and it didn't just happen to Ed. 90 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:29,040 So people were tripping and falling and that was I guess the reason why they pointed it out in A Haunting. 91 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:36,400 Interesting. By the way, Shannon is Amy's husband. Yes. Who's Shannon? I'm like thinking people are gonna... 92 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:40,960 Nobody knows who's Shannon. Well now they do. Shannon's my husband. Yes. Yes. 93 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:51,600 And looking at the comparison of the two. The two things and there are more but I think the two things that stand out in my mind that were different. 94 00:12:51,600 --> 00:13:00,960 I don't know are just facts. And I wasn't sure why in the Netflix one they would leave this out because it seemed to be kind of a big fact. 95 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:10,880 And maybe it's just because the re-enachement was kind of long a couple minutes. But the scene where Arne's car drove itself towards the woods. 96 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:21,040 And I didn't know, I was wondering if they didn't cover that in the Netflix documentary because maybe  A Haunting used that as dramatic effect. 97 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:29,680 Maybe that didn't happen. I don't know. Well there, I don't want to like speak on it fully, because I've only heard it in a couple spots. 98 00:13:29,680 --> 00:13:35,760 But supposedly there was some things that was happened to Arne like that. So maybe it did. 99 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:42,320 So I don't know how true it is. I just heard it you know in a couple little podcasts here and there that I was listening to. 100 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:47,840 So it may or may not be true but supposedly he was having a few little paranormal happenings. 101 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:58,320 And while this was all going on in the 7-8 months it was said that David was still able to have interactions with this being. 102 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,840 He was still hearing the voices. He was still able to communicate with it. 103 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:07,200 And there we got into the visions that he was supposedly having on the night of the murder. 104 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:18,320 The other thing that I don't remember being in the Netflix one was when they're doing the exorcism and they said that he basically died. 105 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:23,280 I don't remember that being in the Netflix one because of all the physical warning. 106 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,400 It was the warning of it. Yeah. That it could possibly happen. 107 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:30,960 They did say that his lips turned blue remember. Right. But they didn't speak. 108 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:43,120 So that story was a little bit different in the two as well. And I don't know why that stuck out because there were plenty of differences in the two episodes that we watched. 109 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:49,120 But for whatever reason those were the two things that I was like what the... how are they so different? 110 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:55,280 I don't know. Yeah there was so like it was like we were watching two different stories at times. 111 00:14:55,280 --> 00:15:02,800 Totally. One thing I do appreciate in the hunting episode is they didn't make the place look extremely dilapidated. 112 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:09,040 It didn't look like something like why would they even move into that? I feel like Netflix was kind of dramatic on that. 113 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:17,440 Right. Oh the other thing that Netflix now we're talking this through because we don't talk about this stuff before we... 114 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:17,680 Right. 115 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:31,840 The other thing is the Netflix one didn't really talk anything about Arne's mom who supposedly was also living at the rental house and refused to leave. 116 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:38,080 Right. She actually lived in the home. They didn't talk about that in the Netflix one which I thought was really odd. 117 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:44,080 And in the well? Oh right. Yeah. Yep. That too. Yeah. The old man would go back into the well. 118 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:53,520 But that's one of the things that in my head I wonder because it's a TV show. Did they make that up for a dramatic effect? I don't know. 119 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:58,640 I did hear and I believe it was from one of the officers that they did go back and find the well. 120 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:03,120 Oh shit. Okay. So there was a well back there. Okay. So what was it? 121 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:08,640 And then at... yes and then the last thing that got Debbie, and Debbie was like whoop, hold up, wait a minute. 122 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:24,880 I don't want anything to do at this house is when David had the vision and Judy's telling them that the dog was scratching on the door trying to get out because the, we're going to claim the old man, the demonic presence, entity whatever you want to refer to him as. 123 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:31,280 He was agitating the dog and you know, scaring the dog so the dog was clawing trying to get out. 124 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:40,080 Debbie and Arne go there the next day because the dog had stayed at  the house. They go out to let the dog out and get ready before Arne's mother was to arrive. 125 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:48,400 And the dog had clawed the door. It was very sick. Very sickly. So Debbie you know kind of looks at Arne and she's like okay, this is too much. 126 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:55,600 I do not believe we should move in here and was it much longer later? They had already started packing their stuff out. 127 00:16:55,600 --> 00:17:01,520 Up pulls Mary Johnson she's like hey y'all I'm ready to move in and they're like at we can't do it. 128 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:07,840 She had already got rid of her home by then, where she was living. She had, she'd been sick with cancer. 129 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:16,480 She was kind of having a hard time making ends meet so she was going to move in with Debbie and Arne and they were going to do this together to be a lot easier on everybody. 130 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:23,440 Well she like I said she had done got rid of her home so negative. She was moving in if y'all did not want to. 131 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:32,880 Arne and Debbie you can I guess go live with Judy and that's what they did. They moved in with the Glatzels and left her, even though they did not want to, 132 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:41,600 left her to live in that townhouse. But then fast forwarding in the story, A Haunting, they go back to try and convince her again. 133 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:49,840 And that says that the house was empty but it didn't say anything else. Where did she go? Did they hunt her down and find her? 134 00:17:49,840 --> 00:18:04,400 Like I needed to know the rest of that story. Where is Arne's mom? I don't know. All that I do know is suppose to plead the old man the demonic entity, the whatever we're calling him. 135 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:13,680 We're going to refer to him as was supposed to be talking to David this whole time and was warning them not to let Arnie's mother know what was happening. 136 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:22,800 And there was a lot of threats. I will show you if you do this, there was even a threat and like I said this is just through some other research. 137 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:36,480 So don't quote me 100% that he had even threatened to take Debbie's eyesight and it was some time later that she had had accident and did lose her eyesight for a short period of time. 138 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:49,280 It did come back but I mean that's kind of interesting. Could it be a coincidence? Yeah I could but still I mean David's over here spouting out all this stuff and it starts kind of happening. 139 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:55,840 It's kind of weird. I know but I hear that you say it and I hear it and I'm like that's absurd. 140 00:18:55,840 --> 00:19:02,880 Right. It is. I don't know. It is. And I mean and maybe it happened. I don't know. 141 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:12,880 It just to me I hear something that extreme and I'm like there's no way. But look at, that's a skeptic and look at how we ended the last podcast though. 142 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:20,720 I'm not going to spoil anything. I mean we're not by now that many cells come out hasn't it at this little yeah so I mean you just never know. 143 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:32,160 It's going to happen. I don't know. I just kind of lean more toward the side that I do believe that, I don't know if I'm going to say a straight out big demonic position. 144 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:41,920 But there was definitely something evil and malicious going on. Bad thing. Or the whole 43, 42, 43 demon thing. 145 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:54,000 That also just makes me think and we've talked about this before about demons or devils or whatever and we both feel the same that those are rare. 146 00:19:54,000 --> 00:20:09,520 So how do 43 demons find one boy? I don't know. That's where I get skeptical as well because if I do truly believe that type of entity is rare. 147 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:20,400 How would 43 of them be in the same place? Even if let's say that house has the most messed up history that land had battles. 148 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:31,120 Let's say it's got some Native American burial grounds. Who knows we haven't looked at that yet. But what if it's the worst history ever? 149 00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:39,360 Right. I still don't think 43 demons are in one tiny little area like that. I don't know. But what do I know? 150 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:49,840 I'm just a girl talking on a podcast. If we want to go to the skeptic side the part that did get me and I'm not saying that I don't believe. 151 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:59,760 But a part that I found weird was that Arne was able to go on and live his life for all these years later being able to control this able into. 152 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:07,840 So overall what do you think? Do you believe the story? Looking at both shows and all of the research that you and I did online. 153 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:12,640 I believe there are some, and that's coming from you not being as skeptical as me in general. 154 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:30,960 I believe that there was something going on and to take it a step further do you think if that's the case and something was inside David it left David and went to Arne then, should that come into play in in a trial in your opinion? 155 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:38,000 I think it should have at least been looked at and considered because of all the backing and support they had. 156 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:44,240 Now if it was just me and you walking up to the courthouse and you telling them why I say you know I sent it. 157 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:56,560 You know what I'm saying? No, but there was just so much that was back so many people in the room while this was happening. 158 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:07,200 So am I going to say that there was 43 demons? I don't know, but I feel like something evil, malicious whatever you want to say was going on there. 159 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:13,920 And let's go on to where I push into the further when I'm thinking about this kind of stuff. 160 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:31,600 Do I believe that there's a lot of people in prison right now who are very innocent? Simply because something did take over them for some short period of time possibly and created an act of violence? I do. 161 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,200 I do. I believe that. I believe there's a lot of innocent people. 162 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:49,440 I don't know if I believe. I'm not going to say that they, that far. I'm not going to say that they are all demonic presence and everything needs to be exercised because you are just 100% possessed. 163 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:59,200 But I do believe that there is evil in this world and I think sometimes it can if you let it in and not even realize it. 164 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:08,560 Like they said that Arne was, bless his heart, he was up every day. He was a landscaper. He was working long hours. You know that's not easy work. 165 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:15,040 Come home in the afternoon. He would get a shower, have dinner, go to bed. 11 o'clock. All this would start. 166 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:27,680 So when do you rest? So I mean if something like that was to happen and he challenged this demonic whatever we're going to call it entity whatever when it was attacking David. 167 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:42,640 Arne is at his weakest point when he his body is not healing from rest. I mean he's tired. He's weak. When do people who believe in demonic possessions or any other kind of malicious entity? 168 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:51,840 When do we believe that they are more able to come upon in harm a person when they are at their most vulnerable state? 169 00:23:51,840 --> 00:24:00,640 And I believe that if that was going on every night like clockwork it would start up and it would happen until early in the morning like six in the morning. 170 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:08,560 Of course Arne would be at a very vulnerable state because he wasn't rested. So I just feel like there's so many ways that you could look at it. 171 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:18,640 Do I think it was 100% demonic? You know how we feel about demons. I don't know. But I feel like there could have been something going on. 172 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:27,440 For sure. Well let me ask you. So if we're not talking demon, devil we're talking something lower level. 173 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:45,680 So a person who was bad in their human life is now bad in their spirit life. Do you think that a lower level vibration type entity can cause someone this type of possession? 174 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:52,800 Or do you believe it's demon devil that would actually push someone to murder someone? 175 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:58,720 I think it probably had to be a lower level demon to do demonic entity. Yeah. 176 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:05,200 So you don't think just a lower vibrational you were about. It's possible but I don't think so. 177 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:14,480 And these are just are a thing. Yeah. I mean I would think now do I think that maybe it could have been a let's look at this. 178 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:22,720 Do I think that he maybe could have had a possession? And as we both know this kind of stuff is not going to come on fast. 179 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:27,440 It's not going to happen like clockwork. You're not going to wake up. Be like okay. Well here's a devil. I'm possessed. 180 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:38,400 Seven eight months later Arne commits this crime. Now could this demonic possession of held until they got what they wanted out of Arne? 181 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:46,320 That's possible. And then was released through that act that Arnie committed and then went on to do more bitten. 182 00:25:46,320 --> 00:26:02,640 I mean you just, I don't know. There's a lot of ways to look at it. I don't know but I feel like I feel like I just don't know also in part of I guess my skeptical part comes in is when okay David has even if it's one. 183 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:10,240 But then for that to jump into Arne, I don't know, it just also brings us. I see what you're saying. Yeah. 184 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:16,880 He challenged me. I mean I see what you're saying. I still I don't know. I just I still believe something is going on. 185 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:27,600 I'm always like I'm always just rubbing my chin at everything. Right. I know what you're saying. It's literally, even my own investigations. 186 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:34,640 I'm like okay there's a logical reason. I just, just my brain. Something tells me that I think something's going on. 187 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:45,120 Well but also the thing with you and Shannon is when you're out investigating you both have some type of abilities that I do not have. 188 00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:53,600 So that also comes in to play with my skepticism. Yeah. I don't see and hear the same things the way that you do. 189 00:26:53,600 --> 00:27:01,440 I don't know I just totally feel like, I mean without a doubt 100% something happened to that family. 190 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:06,720 Right. Something happened to that family. Agreed. I mean yeah I'm on board with that. 191 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:18,960 I just, when you have the backing when you have the backing of the Catholic Church it's really hard for me to not put some credit into that you know. 192 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:29,840 I got that. I don't know and I feel like whatever it was. I absolutely broke up their family and David didn't want to talk about it for years and years and years. 193 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:40,240 So whatever it was paranormal or not it was it was bad. I don't know I just really love to I'd love to sit down with David and just pick his mind. 194 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:47,040 Just let him speak. I don't care what, you just, you know there I feel like he went through a lot of stuff and 195 00:27:47,040 --> 00:28:05,440 there's so much that could possibly be learned by what he did go through because one of the first things that Ed and Lorraine did before they even walked in the house was, they, can we bring a doctor with us? He's he's he been checked out? No okay it was it fine if we bring a doctor we'd like to have him checked out by professional. 196 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:29,440 And the doctor deemed him sane...normal little boy and then I also noticed that Lorraine said he would be at the kitchen table he'd be coloring her drawing whatever he was doing and he'd be really into it, working, not paying attention to anything, just concentrate straight on what he was doing. And then she said all of a sudden he would look up and it would start. 197 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:59,280 So I don't know it's just a lot and it's a lot. It is. Well I feel like the reason that I was so interested in this story, not just because it became a movie and it's just, you can find more information than probably most stories but it's because of the actual legal aspect of it this went right into court you know it's wild to think people can use this as as a defense. 198 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:10,080 In a murder trial or any trial I mean, imagine me, like you said before, dragging you up the stairs in a court house with my broken body yelling. 199 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:19,280 Yeah she's beside but there was, I don't know, that's just what I picture in my head so much documentation leading up to it. 200 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:20,280 Right. 201 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:26,280 Yeah the moral of the story is anyone who thinks their children are possessed, document everything. 202 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,280 Absolutely I would. 203 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:38,280 Which I think I would, if I was having past life for member insert anything from a child, I would document all of it because you just never know what you can catch in that kind of stuff. 204 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:52,280 Oh yeah... we should cover I stories like that and it, listen it just comes up in my Ted talk feed, but I love seeing the stories of when little kids say yes they'll talk about their grandparents. 205 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,280 Life before people who used to live in their house. 206 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,280 Yes I love that. 207 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,280 I love that. 208 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,280 Yes cover that. 209 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:07,280 And that is a good topic but probably not a lot of podcasts or shows or anything is covering. 210 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,280 Like I said I see my Ted talk feed. 211 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:14,280 I don't know I think I'm still team I believe David. 212 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:15,280 I believe him. 213 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:16,280 I believe some. 214 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:17,280 Yeah I have been there. 215 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:18,280 Do I have to pick? 216 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,280 Okay then I'm gonna say. 217 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,280 Well did you believe that there was something paranormal going on or not? 218 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,280 I think we don't have to even say demonic. 219 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:28,280 Paranormal. 220 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:29,280 Paranormal. 221 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:30,280 I think paranormal. 222 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,280 Do I think if I had to pick? 223 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,280 And I have to choose which, I hate. 224 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:39,280 But I have no choice. 225 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,280 If I have to pick. 226 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,280 Yes there was paranormal. 227 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:51,280 And no I don't want to believe that it made someone murder someone. 228 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,280 Because then also look at the flip side of that. 229 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,280 How often is that happening or how often is that going to happen? 230 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,280 No I don't think it happens a lot. 231 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,280 I don't think it happens a lot. 232 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,280 I don't think it happens a lot. 233 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:05,280 But I think it can happen. 234 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,280 I think it can happen. 235 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,280 Okay well yeah. 236 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:10,280 I picked. 237 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,280 Paranormal yes. 238 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:13,280 No murder. 239 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:14,280 No. 240 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,280 I'm just gonna say it. 241 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:16,280 I feel bad. 242 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,280 I don't even know why I feel bad saying no. 243 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:25,280 Well because I want to believe the family and I want to believe Arne and I want to believe 244 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,280 that they would. 245 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:28,280 So it makes me feel bad. 246 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:29,280 I don't know. 247 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:35,280 I just feel like we can be influenced by things that don't have our best intentions. 248 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:36,280 I think it's possible. 249 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,280 But I can see how somebody totally wouldn't think so. 250 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:41,280 Right. 251 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:49,280 See I need that investigation where something like yanks my hair so hard that I'm offended and 252 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,280 okay well now I'm angry. 253 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:52,280 But what the hell did you see? 254 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:53,280 That's what I need. 255 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:54,280 Remember hide & seek? 256 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:55,280 That was fun. 257 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:56,280 That was so fun. 258 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:57,280 Yes. 259 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,280 That was fun. 260 00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:59,280 Oh my gosh. 261 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:00,280 Hide & seek. 262 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,280 Yeah. 263 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:02,280 The Bell Mansion. 264 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:03,280 Yeah that was so fun. 265 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:04,280 Yeah. 266 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,280 So we played and maybe we can put a clip in. 267 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,280 We can share it on our page. 268 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,280 We played hide & seek. 269 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,280 Yeah. 270 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:12,280 271 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,280 I can't believe. 272 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,280 273 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:19,280 I can't believe it's taken this long to get one of those. 274 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:24,280 275 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,280 Excuse me while I take a drink. 276 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:27,280 Yeah. 277 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:36,280 We used our equipment and put it everyone ahead with equipment. 278 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,280 Then I would ask the equipment where everyone was hiding. 279 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,280 That was the first one. 280 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,280 I think everyone? 281 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:45,280 Yes. 282 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,280 Did I find everyone or everyone but one person? 283 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,280 And they were trying to tell you where Jen was but you never found her. 284 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:57,280 Remember she was just sitting behind the door and they were trying to tell you where she was. 285 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,280 We had the cat ball set up. 286 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,280 We had Rempods. 287 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,280 And as she would go, devices would go off and like they would be going off where we were. 288 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,280 And I was the first one of course, she found. 289 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,280 I can't remember what was by me. 290 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,280 Was it a cat ball or was it a Rempod? 291 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:13,280 I can't remember. 292 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:14,280 I couldn't remember. 293 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,280 But yeah, I was the first one out. 294 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,280 So I just walked around and looked to see where everybody was and it didn't take her long to find y'all. 295 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,280 Yeah, all the rest of them. 296 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:23,280 No. 297 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:24,280 That was cool. 298 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:25,280 How many played that night? 299 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,280 That was pretty cool. 300 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:28,280 Well, we had you. 301 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:29,280 Shannon. 302 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,280 You and Shannon were together though, right? 303 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:39,280 Um, you and Shannon and Jen, Bret and my nephews maybe hid, six? 304 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:40,280 Did Redd? 305 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,280 Because I don't think Redd and Ray, didn't know. 306 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:43,280 I don't think they hid. 307 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:49,280 So yeah, six people that I found via paranormal equipment. 308 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:50,280 It's hard to deny that. 309 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,280 I'll have to add a clip of that. 310 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:53,280 That was fun. 311 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:54,280 Yes. 312 00:33:54,280 --> 00:34:01,280 But so for the show, I'm trying to think if there's anything else specific that we would want to tell you. 313 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:10,280 But we would want to talk about for that actual episode, A Haunting, Where Demons Dwell outside of there were some discrepancies. 314 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,280 They didn't cover the, Arne's story. 315 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:22,280 I loved that Lorraine Warren was in the episode because getting her first hand account is obviously important to the story. 316 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:34,280 But then you factor in what Carl, the older brother says, which was that they were, they had bad intentions, which was basically money. 317 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:40,280 You know, then I hear that and I say to myself, well, Carl was there too. 318 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,280 Why did Carl and dad have a different story? 319 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,280 I also touched on the summon X. 320 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,280 Sure. 321 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:52,280 And this was in the 1980s after Judy Glatzel passed away. 322 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,280 Carl and his wife were going through the house, getting everything together. 323 00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,280 I'm assuming boxing up what they wanted to keep, maybe donate, whatever they were doing. 324 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,280 Just taking care of business after our loved ones passed. 325 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,280 Well, he said that he found a note. 326 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,280 And in that note, it had said everything was fine tonight. 327 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,280 Everybody took their medicine. 328 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,280 And I'm not quoting. 329 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,280 That's just pretty much what it said. 330 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,280 I don't quote much. 331 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,280 But everybody took their medicine. 332 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,280 So he didn't understand what was going on with that until they got to think. 333 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:29,280 And he really and truly believed that his mother was feeding the family Sominex at night to make them sleep. 334 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:35,280 He thought that his mother was thinking that it well, if they're all asleep, I don't have to worry with them. 335 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:40,280 So he was saying like, for example, mom would make spaghetti for the night. 336 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,280 And she would put a big bowl out on the table. 337 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:49,280 And her spaghetti and her plate was already made before the bowl went out and she would never go back for seconds. 338 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,280 And of course, afterwards, everybody would be sleepy and they'd go to bed. 339 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,280 Side effects of... I'm looking for... 340 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,280 Well, Sominex causes weight gain. 341 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,280 It causes hallucinations. 342 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,280 And I wanted to find all of it because I didn't even think about this till now. 343 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:14,280 There was upset stomach, dizziness, drowsiness, hallucinations, acting out, and it was a weight gain. 344 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:20,280 And they were thinking that this whole time, him and his wife, that they possibly... 345 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:27,280 There was no possession that David was just having side effects from all the years of Sominex. 346 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,280 And it took me a minute to get to that. 347 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,280 But it really bothers me that I don't remember all the side effects that it's possibly had in the 80s. 348 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,280 And I couldn't find it real quick. 349 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,280 But was that the case? 350 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,280 Was the family having inside effects from Sominex? 351 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:42,280 Okay, two things. 352 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:48,280 Number one, if that were true, that mom would be completely diabolical. 353 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:49,280 Who does that? 354 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,280 That would be terrible. 355 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:57,280 And number two, I feel like I need someone to give me Sominex every night. 356 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,280 See, I don't know if I... 357 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,280 I don't know if, I'm not giving them Sominex every night. 358 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,280 Because, okay, the boys were a little bit bigger. 359 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:11,280 If you want to say that Sominex causes weight gain, okay, fine, we'll give you that. 360 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,280 They were a little bit bigger. 361 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:19,280 But only David was supposedly having the hallucinations as, I guess he would... 362 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,280 Carl would like to refer to him as the other boys didn't. 363 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,280 So, that was another point that I thought about as well. 364 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:27,280 Why would it... 365 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,280 And I mean, some would say, okay, well, medications affect people differently. 366 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:32,280 So, I'll give you that. 367 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:38,280 But, it's not been proven, I will say, it's not been proven that Judy 368 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:43,280 Glatzel poisoned, or gave any kind of medication to anyone. 369 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,280 It was just speculation from Carl and his wife. 370 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,280 But also, then, was she making a plate for the dad's separate? 371 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:51,280 I don't know. 372 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,280 Um, as far as I knew, and heard, it was just her. 373 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:56,280 But, we went in there. 374 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,280 That's just my brain going. 375 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:06,280 Yeah, it was dad being doused with, Sominex, was Judy and Arne. 376 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:07,280 Yeah, no. 377 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:08,280 I don't... 378 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:09,280 I mean, Debbie. 379 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,280 Debbie, I mean, I just... 380 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,280 But they would all have the same symptoms. 381 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,280 That's what I'm saying and only David had them. 382 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:20,280 And I just, of course, probably one of the reasons why when we talk about true crime, 383 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,280 I'm so... 384 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,280 I would never say obsessed with true crime. 385 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:34,280 But, in a way, it kind of is because I don't understand the thinking of somebody who would do the horrible acts that happen. 386 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:39,280 But I also can't see why you would give your whole family Sominex either. 387 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,280 So, I don't know. 388 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:41,280 I mean, that's not been proven. 389 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,280 I'm pretty good. 390 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:51,280 So, I just wanted to bring it up that it was looked at that all of David's happenings, could have been brought on from Sominex poisoning. 391 00:38:51,280 --> 00:39:00,280 But also, since Carl debates and just says this has nothing to do with devils, demons, possessions, anything, 392 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:09,280 maybe the Sominex story, maybe he really believes it because he's trying to rationalize it in his head and say, 393 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,280 "What was this then if it wasn't what they said?" 394 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,280 Right. 395 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:20,280 I mean, could we go back and say that maybe Carl is just your all-American skeptic and tried to find other ways to explain what he was seeing? 396 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:21,280 Absolutely, you can. 397 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:22,280 Yeah. 398 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:23,280 Agreed. 399 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:24,280 Definitely. 400 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:25,280 Agreed. 401 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:34,280 Yeah, if it were me, I would be trying to figure out, "Okay, then what really was it that makes sense in my hide as a skeptic?" 402 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:41,280 So, that's probably, if he's just trying to kind of come up with things in his head to explain it. 403 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:47,280 And he did mention that his mother had OCD and I totally get this. 404 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,280 And everything that she would think or chart for the day, it had to be put in a note. 405 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,280 Everything was in a note. 406 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,280 So, he was fine in all these notes. 407 00:39:55,280 --> 00:40:01,280 And if he did find this note that said everyone took their medicine tonight, what medicine? 408 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,280 And then I got to think, because you know how our minds work. 409 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,280 Maybe they were sick that day. 410 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:12,280 Maybe the boys were sick and they had been to the doctor and been given antibiotics. 411 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:18,280 So, it would be a totally normal thing for mom to say it's been a pretty even day, or by took their medicine. 412 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:26,280 And I mean, she being the OCD note taker, you know, maybe that was just, I don't know. 413 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,280 I just liked all the different points you could look at it on the medicine. 414 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,280 So, we don't know what kind of medicine mom even meant. 415 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:38,280 Now, if she said mom, everybody took some of next night and everything's great, you'd know. 416 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,280 But, we don't know, that's just again, speculation. He doesn't know. 417 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:48,280 And on the flip side of that, if she is giving them Sominex, she's not gonna write that in a note. 418 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,280 Unless it's a compulsion. 419 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,280 So, could you stop that? 420 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,280 But, if you're dosing your entire family, don't you know that's not right? 421 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,280 Yeah, but you would never write that in a note. 422 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,280 And you would never write that in a note. 423 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,280 And you would prison right now for out and theirself in a silly, silly way. 424 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,280 You know it? 425 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,280 How many times have you watched a show and be like, if you hadn't done that, you'd have just got away with it? 426 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:17,280 What's that called? The Darwin Awards? I think it's called where they report on people who do it. 427 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,280 They'll have it say that. 428 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:20,280 The absurd things. 429 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:21,280 But, I think it's called the Darwin Awards. 430 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,280 Sometimes I'll watch something and I'm like, well, if you had just not done that one thing. 431 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,280 You don't deserve to get away with it. 432 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,280 Yes. But you would have. 433 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,280 Yeah. 434 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,280 Good job. Good job. 435 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:40,280 I feel like that's what I would probably do. I would be joking or something and just say something or do something really tell. 436 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,280 Well, my mom always said that they'd put her in the jail before she even started the crime. 437 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,280 So, I'd probably be the same way. 438 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,280 I'm not a criminal. I'm not. 439 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:53,280 And I'm too scared to get in trouble because I don't think I look very good in orange. 440 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,280 I like to use my phone whenever I want to. 441 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,280 And I do not want to live with a bunch of other women. 442 00:41:58,280 --> 00:41:59,280 Well, wait. 443 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,280 Wait. Now to do a podcast. 444 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,280 Although, our, there are podcasts. 445 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:11,280 We could have Evan and Shannon send us our equipment and we could set up and record all we wanted to. 446 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,280 Not yet. I'm good. 447 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,280 It looks like. 448 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,280 What is it? 449 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:17,280 That's a bad idea. 450 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,280 Three squares and a quad. 451 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:20,280 A quad. 452 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,280 Three squares and a quad. 453 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,280 And a podcast. 454 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,280 A quad. 455 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:31,280 Coming to you live from the quad sale. 456 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,280 Hello. 457 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,280 That could be your jail name. 458 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,280 Quad. 459 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,280 So yeah, no, we'll scratch that one. 460 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,280 No. 461 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,280 No, it doesn't. 462 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,280 Well, what was it on the last live? 463 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,280 The way I was talking about my gangster name because I'm gangster. 464 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:51,280 I'm barred this. 465 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,280 Yeah. 466 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:58,280 So that was, it'll be before the mini The Devil On Trial episode. 467 00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:59,280 Oh my gosh. 468 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:00,280 So funny. 469 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:01,280 Okay. 470 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,280 Is there anything else? 471 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,280 Obviously, we're going to rate it at the end. 472 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:13,280 But is there anything else about the actual episode that we want to talk about or cover? 473 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,280 I've already, I reigned it in and stopped talking about the reenactments. 474 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:18,280 Switch. 475 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:19,280 I thought you, never mind. 476 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:20,280 I didn't mean to thank you for that. 477 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,280 I thought you didn't say, you reigned us in from our little rant. 478 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:24,280 I was like, thank you. 479 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,280 No, that too. 480 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:30,280 But no, I reigned myself from complaining about them. 481 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:31,280 I pulled it in. 482 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,280 I didn't. 483 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,280 Now if we look, can we talk about the reenactments for a minute? 484 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,280 Let's talk about, let's talk about the lady they had played. 485 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:39,280 Yeah, of course, Lorraine Warren. 486 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:40,280 Oh, yeah. 487 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:41,280 I remember her. 488 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,280 She looked like my Nana though. 489 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:49,280 I mean, it looks like they would pick my Nana up and put her in an episode. 490 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:58,280 You can't when you're casting someone that's that famous though, it's probably a little harder than, 491 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:04,280 although Debbie really, that actress playing Debbie really did not look like her at all. 492 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,280 But I think the Lorraine one stands out to us. 493 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:08,280 A million. 494 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,280 Yeah, and she didn't have the hair on the bow. 495 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,280 I wonder who would play me in a movie. 496 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,280 Oh, I don't know. 497 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:22,280 I'm just gonna say my wishful only because of Angelina Jolie. 498 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:27,280 Yeah, I look nothing like her, but I just wanted to be someone goofy. 499 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,280 Oh, I just thought of someone. 500 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,280 Maybe Amanda Peet, do you know who that is? 501 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,280 I like her. 502 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:34,280 Not that she can do. 503 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:42,280 Amanda who resembles you completely, but Peet, P-E-E-T, it just popped in my head and I don't even know why. 504 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:43,280 Here we are. 505 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:44,280 What was she? 506 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:45,280 I don't know. 507 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:46,280 I don't know if I see anything. 508 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,280 It's what, I'm gonna say if I've seen her in a movie. 509 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,280 She's been in a ton of things. 510 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:51,280 You definitely have. 511 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,280 She was on it and I really did get her. 512 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:54,280 She was on it and I really did get her. 513 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:55,280 Or Thief? 514 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:56,280 That was a good movie. 515 00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:57,280 I don't know if she is in that though. 516 00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,280 That's Melissa McCarthy. 517 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:00,280 I don't think she was. 518 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:01,280 I didn't see that. 519 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:06,280 She played opposite Matthew Perry in a funny, it was a comedy. 520 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,280 And he, oh my gosh, now I can't remember. 521 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,280 I think he was a criminal and now I can't remember the name of the movie. 522 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,280 But she's been in a lot. 523 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:15,280 Did you find out? 524 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,280 I look like baby, she's pretty. 525 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:17,280 I can do it. 526 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:18,280 Yeah. 527 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:19,280 I don't know. 528 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:20,280 That's perfect. 529 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:21,280 She's playing you. 530 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:22,280 That works. 531 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:23,280 I love it. 532 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:24,280 That works. 533 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:25,280 Just popped in. 534 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:26,280 That's what we're going to. 535 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:27,280 The tar. 536 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:28,280 And the reenactments. 537 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:29,280 They just are what they are. 538 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:36,280 I know I kept ripping on them and they tell the story in a way that maybe some viewers can't 539 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,280 picture just by hearing narration. 540 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,280 So it's fine. 541 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,280 I know I ripped on them. 542 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:43,280 They are what they are. 543 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,280 Again, I watched that show regularly so they don't bother me enough. 544 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:52,280 I'm just glad that they portrayed the house to not look like a run-down nasty trap house. 545 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,280 It looked like a house like, okay, well you know. 546 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,280 Yeah. 547 00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:57,280 Nice little family can move in. 548 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,280 They're not like, why is the walls falling apart and that's the master bedroom? 549 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:07,280 I know, but it's those details that make me wonder why were the two of these episodes 550 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,280 in some of the rooms so different? 551 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:10,280 I didn't know. 552 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,280 What did we say when we first started? 553 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,280 Draw my sells. 554 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,280 The more you can dramatize it up, it's sells. 555 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:18,280 I guess. 556 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,280 I'm mad at you for making your money. 557 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:27,280 I know, but if you're making a Netflix documentary and you know that there was this episode 558 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:32,280 of this other show and there might be other shows that covered this, I don't know. 559 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:37,280 Or you know that people can look up so much of this information online. 560 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:43,280 They want it to represent the story as accurately as possible only because people may have seen 561 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:44,280 A Haunting. 562 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,280 People may have looked up info online. 563 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:53,280 Well I'm kind of curious, did you not notice Debbie's footage where it comes from on Netflix? 564 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:54,280 A Haunting? 565 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:55,280 No. 566 00:46:55,280 --> 00:47:00,280 Oh yeah, so they used her older footage because she'd already passed away by that time. 567 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,280 That was one of the first things I noticed. 568 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:03,280 She was wearing the same shirt. 569 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:04,280 Yeah. 570 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,280 Oh, I didn't put that together. 571 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:07,280 I noticed that. 572 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,280 Yeah, they used. 573 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:09,280 I was like, okay. 574 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,280 Well, that's where they got the old footage. 575 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,280 And Arne also looked a lot younger in A Haunting as well. 576 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:20,280 So they were used in Debbie's older footage while she was still alive. 577 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:27,280 And then of course Arne was able to come onto the Netflix version and be able to do his own 578 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,280 interview, but they had to pull older of Debbie since she had passed away. 579 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:34,280 Which we all know how we feel about that love story. 580 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:35,280 I know. 581 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:36,280 We don't have to. 582 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:44,280 If you didn't listen to the previous episode that covered The Devil On Trial, we talk more about 583 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:45,280 their relationship. 584 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:46,280 Go back. 585 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,280 You should have listened to it already. 586 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:49,280 And it's right. 587 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:50,280 Right. 588 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,280 Debbie's passing has been very recent too. 589 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,280 Like she hasn't been gone that long. 590 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,280 I think it's 21 a few years. 591 00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:58,280 Do we want to rate? 592 00:47:58,280 --> 00:47:59,280 Yeah. 593 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:00,280 We're going out of 10. 594 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:01,280 What are you giving me your rating? 595 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:02,280 What is my rating? 596 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:03,280 Okay. 597 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:10,120 I'm going to go off the fact that they had real people. 598 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:11,280 So Debbie was on there. 599 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:12,280 Arne was on there. 600 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,040 Lorraine Warren was on there. 601 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,120 So I'm going to take that into consideration. 602 00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:24,920 I'm also going to factor in sort of the cheese factor and the dramatization factor that comes 603 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,880 along with reenactments. 604 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,120 So this is just my opinion. 605 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:30,880 No one get mad. 606 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:38,560 And I will also say I still recommend watching this episode and the show in general, even though 607 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:43,880 I'm going to say what I'm about to say, I'm probably going to give it a four. 608 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,680 I'm going to give it a five. 609 00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,040 So we're about the, we're about the same again. 610 00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:58,640 And yes, watch this watch A Haunting Where Demons Dwell, watch the Netflix The Devil On Trial, 611 00:48:58,640 --> 00:48:59,640 watch it. 612 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,560 Watch all that you can watch and then make your own mind up what you believe. 613 00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:04,560 Yep. 614 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,720 And we'll still be covering. 615 00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:11,440 We'll do a minisode next week and then the following week we'll be covering this story one 616 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:18,080 more time with a horror movie that ties it all together and then we'll move on to something 617 00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:19,800 completely different. 618 00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:20,880 Well thank you everyone. 619 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,800 We are so glad that you joined us and just keep hanging with us. 620 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:25,800 Bye. 621 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:34,560 Thanks for making it to the end and hanging out with us. 622 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,880 Keep on the lookout for our next episode and stay gruesome. 623 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,880 [Music]