Ep17: Minisode: Sleep Paralysis

Join Amy and Dawn as they dive into the wild world of sleep paralysis! They’ll be reading your creepy and bizarre comments, featuring stories that’ll keep you up at night (and not because of sleep paralysis... or maybe it will). Get ready for wild tales as they explore the weirdest experiences people have had while stuck in that terrifying in-between sleep zone!

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1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,680 [Music] 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:19,680 Hello and welcome to our podcast Talk Gruesome To Me, where we talk about movies and shows that cover true crime, paranormal and horror. 3 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:27,920 I am one of your hosts, Dawn. I am currently located in Los Angeles and I think I'm pretty well versed in the horror genre, 4 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:35,360 especially those 80s classics. A quick fun fact about me? I have a very extensive crystal collection. 5 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:43,920 Hello, I'm Amy. I'm from Kentucky and my area of expertise for this podcast is paranormal. A few fun facts about me. 6 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:50,240 I'm an empath, I collect old dolls and you know, I've never flown on an airplane. Can you believe that? 7 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:57,120 Now Dawn and I are also obsessed with true crime, so here we are. Talk Gruesome To Me. 8 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:08,560 Hello, welcome in again. With this one, we're back to another post from Facebook. I don't know. I thought this was pretty cool and a lot of people are really interested in sleep paralysis. 9 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:15,680 So that's going to be our starter for today. I shared this on Facebook on our page, The Paranormal Couple, 10 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:23,200 and it was just a little fun post to get their opinions and experiences just seeing if they've ever had to deal with something like this. 11 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:30,480 And if you had have, I'm sorry, it's very, very scary and something that I don't wish on anyone. 12 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:35,600 Now I went ahead and I added in how you know, how meta AI will do the summary at the post. 13 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:42,240 I do actually kind of like those because it takes everybody's comments and what they said and puts them together. 14 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:48,320 Now I love how Facebook does this again, like I said, it gives you just a complete look at what everyone said. 15 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:53,280 Now what they said was commenters share personal experiences with sleep paralysis, 16 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:59,360 describing it as a terrifying phenomenon with both medical and paranormal aspects, 17 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:05,840 with some link to stress. Others believe it involves spiritual entities or astral projection. 18 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:14,720 Experiences vary with some reporting hallucinations, inability to move and feelings of fear. 19 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:21,200 See, I just love how Facebook does that because it kind of gives you, like I said the whole summary of what everyone thinks. 20 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:26,960 And, I also love it when it puts a certain little comment that somebody added. I do like that. 21 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:33,840 Now with this post, it wasn't a huge one, but we did get quite a few responses and shares. 22 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:41,360 It had 148 likes, 181 comments and 8 shares at the time when I made this post. 23 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:46,880 I know that I did not update that when I went back this morning, but that was at the time that I did it. 24 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:52,160 One thing that I did ask and this was the question that I was kind of basing my whole post around. 25 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:59,440 Is sleep paralysis caused by a medical condition or is there more going on that we cannot understand? 26 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,680 I mean, can it possibly be both? 27 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:06,240 That's just where I'm looking at. What do you think? What do these individuals think? 28 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:11,040 What do I think and what is done? What's going on when we talk about sleep paralysis? 29 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:15,280 And we'll get into our own at the end like we usually do. 30 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:24,240 But first, I'm going to start with Sarah Jane. So she said, 'sleep paralysis is just us. 31 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:30,640 We sleep, we dream, and depending on who we are, our souls might travel a bit. 32 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:36,880 They go out for a little astrophysic field trip and have to jump back into our bodies. 33 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:41,760 This is why it's so scary. A wake, sleep, alive, unconscious. 34 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:46,240 It's uncomfortable, but it's being scared by your own self.' 35 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:52,400 So yeah, she's, Sarah Jane's definitely looking into the astro, the astrophysics. 36 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,520 It's interesting. What do you think about astro projection? 37 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,080 I know people that say that they do it. 38 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:03,760 I don't, I don't want to say I don't believe them because some are very good friends of mine. 39 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:09,600 And so I have no reason to not believe them, but it's something I'm unfamiliar with. 40 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,120 And you know me. That means not messing with it. 41 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:19,920 I'm like you. I've never experienced it. It's something that I don't believe 42 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:25,120 I would like to experience. The ones of you that said that you have, I believe you. 43 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:32,240 And I just don't want no part of it. I'm scared I wouldn't get back where I needed to go if something like that happened. 44 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:38,080 So right. I hear you. I see you, but I honestly do not want to try it. 45 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:45,360 Well, and the thing is, if it's real, people can use it and go spy on people. You know what I mean? 46 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:51,040 I don't like that. Well, yeah, but you also have remote viewing. 47 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:59,920 I know it's completely unethical, but a lot of people are unethical. So all of that freaks me out if it's real. 48 00:04:59,920 --> 00:05:06,720 We are going to pretend that it only happens for individuals with good intent. 49 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:11,440 There. Yes. Solved. We don't have to worry about it. It's over. 50 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:16,480 Okay. I'm going to go the next one and this one's from Christine. 51 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:22,240 She said, 'I would like to know the answer to this. It happens to me numerous times and I don't like it at all.' 52 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:30,400 I feel the same way you do. I think that sometimes it can be explained medically. It can, but sometimes, 53 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:35,600 do you think it has to do with science or is that in the comments? 54 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:42,240 Hmm. I don't know if that's covered later, but thanks someone did. I don't remember exactly. 55 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:50,320 Okay. I think that there can be things that can happen to our body medically that can 56 00:05:50,320 --> 00:06:00,640 possibly cause this to happen. Now, I also do think that there are some times that this happens and 57 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:05,520 I don't believe it falls into the medical explanation. I just really don't. 58 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,840 And those we do have a couple of people who think it's something else. Right. 59 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:18,640 Tina. Tina said, 'when I was three, I started seeing ghosts and shadow figures. They would come surround 60 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:24,960 my bed at night and try to get my attention. I hit under the blanket and held my teddy tight. Oh, 61 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:31,680 I just found out a few weeks ago from my mom that she would hear people playing cards in the kitchen 62 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:38,320 and that a sheriff died in the house. At four or five years old in our new house, I was talking to the 63 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:43,600 fireman in my backyard. They told me to get away because the electrical lines were on fire. 64 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:49,520 My mom saw me standing there staring at the top of the pole and asked me what I was doing. 65 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:56,240 I told her I was talking to the fireman. She made me come inside and a few days later, 66 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:02,560 I heard her telling my aunt about it and she was scared. There was no way that I knew two fireman 67 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:09,360 died back there fighting this fire before we moved in.' That's crazy. Yeah. I really liked this post right 68 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:17,280 here. I mean, how? I don't know. Hell. Yeah, I like that one, Tina. I mean, I know that you did have 69 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:23,200 a couple of other ones. I kind of stopped at that part just because my goodness, you could write a 70 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:32,400 book, my friend. You could write a book, but I would like to possibly hear... maybe we can do a 71 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:38,640 another one eventually down the road because it sounds like Tina has quite a bit of experience 72 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:46,320 with this, which I mean, I don’t, go Tina go. Yeah. Okay. Now we're moving on to Marie, 73 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:52,560 'sleep paralysis is the worst, especially when you try to scream but can't. Has anyone else had this 74 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:59,840 experience?' Yeah. Marie, yes I have and I know I answered you on that post, but I haven't. I was 75 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:06,560 share mine at the end. All right, Angela, 't's happened to meet quite often through life. It's a scary 76 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:13,280 feeling, but what I come to find is that it's usually connected to stress in some form, which I thought 77 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:21,280 was interesting. Just wait. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, there's more coming. Okay. Okay. There is. My dad passed away 78 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:28,880 in 2015 from a very, very rare form of cancer. I'm so sorry. That's awful. And it started in his 79 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:35,040 leg. About three months after he passed, I was taken an app. Suddenly I felt as though I needed to wake up, 80 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:40,800 but I couldn't. I was frozen. I tried to open my eyes twice, but they wouldn't open. I began to 81 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:46,000 dream that I was at my mom and dad's house getting something out of the hall closet. I went back to the 82 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:51,200 living room and there was my dad's sitting in the rocking chair wearing a bright white polo shirt. 83 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:57,680 My mom was sitting on his knee. How are you? He said, which is how he always used to say when I walked 84 00:08:57,680 --> 00:09:05,440 into the house. Dad, how are you? He cut my son at short. It's okay. He said and smiled at me. Suddenly, 85 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:11,280 his shirt changed to a bright white silk robe like an angel. My mom put her head on his shoulder, 86 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:17,120 and then I woke up. My dad's voice was so clear that when he spoke, I believe it was him who came to 87 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:23,680 me wanting to know he was no longer suffering. And PS, I cried while typing this. I'm so sorry,' 88 00:09:23,680 --> 00:09:29,120 Robin. I know all the feelings come out with that. It was really good. I did like that when 89 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:37,120 I saw you. Robin's the best. All right. D said, 'scary. I had a nightmare a long time ago that I 90 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:45,600 couldn't move or talk. I was being held down. It was nuts.' And that was pretty common. Yeah, 91 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:50,480 it's a lot of people actually. You do hear that when you talk about sleep paralysis, not being able 92 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:55,040 to move and feeling like something heavy on them. So yeah, dear, I don't think you're alone. 93 00:09:55,040 --> 00:10:03,840 This next one. Well, I was so glad when she gave me permission to share this one. 'So I was a drug detox 94 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:08,880 nurse. We would only put people in certain rooms if we were full. And every time the clients would 95 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:14,000 choose to sleep on the couch or have to be sent out, most would say that they felt like they were 96 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:20,320 being suffocated. Try to get up or call or try for help, but were paralyzed. Hmm, miss that up too. 97 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:26,480 Sorry, Susan. Sadly, others try to take their own life in that room with one being successful before 98 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:35,120 my heart. She said, I believe.' And that was, yeah, that was that was a lot right there. I would definitely 99 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:42,080 like to know what was going on in that room for people to feel that way. And for someone to actually 100 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:48,400 lose their life in there, I don't know though. Is it obviously I don't know this is just theory? 101 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:55,760 Is it sleep paralysis or is it because of all of the chaos that probably is in a drug detox facility? 102 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:01,840 I don't know. Gosh, I don't know either, but that one really caught my attention. Yeah, I don't know. 103 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:09,600 Oh, yeah, it's it was a good little blurb, but yeah, I be curious if it was something to do with all 104 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:16,400 of the kind of chaos that is probably there. I would like to hear more. This all I can say I would like to hear more. 105 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:22,800 Agreed. Okay, this one didn't have a name, so I'm going to read it. I don't know who's it is, but thank you. 106 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:29,120 'I've explained it a handful of times. It hasn't happened to me since I had my house cleansed. 107 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:35,520 Truly, I have no idea what causes it. I do know the last two times it happened. I have relaxed 108 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:42,960 and closed my eyes, then it was fine.' I love this one because it talks about cleansing your house, 109 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:52,160 which I think everyone should just do monthly, just for energy, say. Somehow this person has figured out 110 00:11:52,160 --> 00:12:00,480 sort of how to keep this from going into full-blown experience, which is amazing. Yeah, it's like they've 111 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:07,040 critiqued a way to be able to pull themselves out. I do really like that. That one caught me too. There 112 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:13,360 was actually a lot of really good ones. Okay. Yeah, there were so many good ones if you read through this. 113 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:20,880 And we got Robin again. 'I'm not sure we fully understand it, but I do think it could be paranormal 114 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:29,200 for some people.' And I think sometimes, yeah, it can be. I agree with you, Robin. Or, and this goes 115 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:35,840 back to my question a few ago. Yeah, now I see it. Lauren said, 'I think there's something more going on 116 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:41,760 than science understands yet. There you go. Yep. I thought that I added one in, but I didn't want to say 117 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:47,440 I did, and I didn't, but I almost swore I did. But I remember I wanted to try to get especially 118 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:52,960 different looks at it and different explanations or experiences. That's what I was really trying to 119 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:58,640 go for. I know it's been about 10 years, but I woke up and couldn't move and couldn't breathe. 120 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:05,040 I thought I was dying. Then I was able to move, but not breathe. In my panic, I started breathing. 121 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:10,960 The scariest thing I've ever been through in my life, Penelope. Wow. So adding in there not being 122 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,520 able to breathe. I hear that a lot though when people are talking about it. I've never had that happen. 123 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:21,600 That's really scary. Well, that's good. Yeah, that's that that was another one while I was looking at 124 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:26,160 it and wanted to add because that one is I've never had my breath taken away. That's scary.' 125 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:33,040 Michael. Here's another one agreeing with Robin. They think it might be paranormal. 126 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:41,520 Michael is a man of few words. Paranormal. Correct. But, it's a good theory. And he's a supportive 127 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:48,320 individual. Pleasure, Michael. Thank you so much. And then we've got Julie coming in. 'Good question. 128 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:54,800 I've experienced during very stressful times in my life.' And I responded to her that she is not the 129 00:13:54,800 --> 00:14:00,320 first person that mentioned stress in this post whatsoever. I did notice that was pretty common 130 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:06,640 through that. I was going to say there's got to be something to that. Maybe, maybe not. But I feel like 131 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:14,400 that's also a good theory. Could stress be something that does tend to trigger sleep paralysis? 132 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:20,000 That I would think would of course be on more of the medical side of it happening. But that's 133 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:27,200 a possibility too. Okay, but what if we wrap them all up and say when you're under stress, you can 134 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:32,960 invite paranormal activity and then you can invite something like sleep paralysis and it's all 135 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:43,360 the same thing. Because as paranormal investigators, researchers, believers, we believe that when you're 136 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:49,040 able to be attacked is when you are at your most vulnerable state. When are you at your most 137 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:54,960 vulnerable state, when you are at rest? So I might be able to get down and dig with your 138 00:14:54,960 --> 00:15:01,760 your explanation. Your explanation if I can speak again. What is wrong with me today? 139 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:12,080 All right, Marie said and this is the last one. 'Sleep paralysis is the worst, especially when you 140 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:18,560 try to scream but can’t.' And that's also common when you hear everyone pretty much almost everyone 141 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:24,960 says that they try to say something or scream or anything and nothing comes out. Yeah, I mean, 142 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:32,880 it was that was pretty caught up. Yeah, everybody can't scream. The can’t  breathe was new, but the 143 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:40,320 can’t move, yes. And when I always have sleep paralysis, it's scary because I'll be laying there 144 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:45,200 and whatever position I lay in, I'm always still laying in that when I'm going through the sleep 145 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:49,600 paralysis because it almost feel like it wakes me up or something. It's just the craziest thing. 146 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:56,560 And then I'll be laying there and I'm trying to roll over, but I can't move. I don't move. I can't 147 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:03,440 speak. I'm just staring at whatever's around me. It's just crazy. I've had it happen. Well, 148 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:09,280 it started happening at one of our first apartments and I'm going to tell you about that apartment and 149 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:15,440 the experience that Shannon had there and after I come in on him. Gosh, he was, it was really scary on 150 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:23,600 that one. But that's where I had my first paranormal. Yeah, living on my own, that was the first place 151 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:28,960 that I've had paranormal experiences in the first place that I did experience sleep paralysis. I 152 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:35,040 had to stop about that because when I started having the experiences before I was living with my 153 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:41,120 mom and dad and where I lived after that, I'd never experienced anything paranormal until me and Shannon 154 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:46,320 got that apartment. So now that I stop and think about that, that's kind of interesting too. It's Shannon. 155 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:56,400 Shannon, you know what you might be right. Yeah, but I'm going to say knock on wood. I have not had 156 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:02,160 sleep paralysis or anything like that in this home. I don't know. I do want to tell you about one, 157 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:10,800 this was probably my craziest, craziest sleep paralysis experience, and this was at the home that I 158 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:17,040 lived in with me and Shannon before this one. It was actually the home that I'd grew up with 159 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:23,280 and lived with my parents. Now, I had been talking to one of my friends who is a medium, and I was just 160 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:28,480 really concerned because I had never heard from my mom, recently just now I did the other day, 161 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:33,760 which was amazing. It's on our page, The Paranormal Couple, if you do want to hear that, but I was like a 162 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:39,040 family reunion. I was really concerned about her. I was just wanting to make sure that she was okay, 163 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:46,000 so I reached out to Jess and she was kind of explaining to me about reaching out and just trying to 164 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:54,800 help me kind of, I guess, gauge when I was actually speaking with my mother instead of, I guess it 165 00:17:54,800 --> 00:18:00,400 would kind of be more of a medium shipwreck wouldn't it? Yeah, I mean, I guess it kind of would have 166 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:05,840 because it's not like, yeah, I get, yeah, you're kind of right just trying to communicate and I think 167 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,920 it worked, Jess. I know you're not listening, but I think it did because now I dream of her all the time 168 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:15,280 and I finally got that communication. So I guess she has been kind of leading me in that direction 169 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:21,200 towards my mother. But anyways, this was an afternoon. It was a probably around lunchtime. I wasn't 170 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:26,880 feeling the best. I was a bus driver at the time and I had, I had a route that morning and had time 171 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:32,480 to lay down and take a nap. I hadn't slept real good the night before. So I laid down, I took this nap 172 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:39,280 and in the dream, I remember I was laying exactly the way I was laying there when I started to take the 173 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:45,200 nap and I woke up and looked out the bedroom door to the window that I would normally see if I was 174 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:50,960 awake. I seen that it was really pretty and it was really sunny outside. Just sun shining into the 175 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:57,200 living room. Okay, I was like, it's time to get up? I kind of started trying to fiddle around and 176 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:02,800 move the blankets and I looked back up. Well, I had moved the covers and I was trying to look down to 177 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:08,320 give them the move, but I was unable to really move. I looked back up at that window and the window 178 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:14,480 was just as dark as it could be. Just like a storm had rolled up and it was almost like pitch black 179 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:20,320 outside. Like it was kind of concerning. So I was laying there and I wasn't sure what to do because 180 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:25,040 I couldn't move and I couldn't get out of the bed. All of a sudden while I was laying there, 181 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:30,880 I heard my mom say Amy. I looked around and I didn't say anything which was weird." 182 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:37,680 And then I heard my mom say, "Amy, where are you?" I didn't say nothing again. 183 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:45,920 Having that instinct, sorry, having that instinct, oh, I'm not gross, I promise I just took a 184 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:53,360 trick of the Pepsi. But having that instinct to not say something at that moment in my dream told 185 00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:58,720 me something. So I continued to sit there and just be quiet and I heard mom again, "Amy, 186 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:07,120 where are you? I cannot find you." Still, stay in turn to myself. I stayed completely silent and I 187 00:20:07,120 --> 00:20:12,640 kind of got the covers. Somehow I kind of finagled to get the covers and I had just barely enough 188 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:17,040 where I couldn't see. I don't know how I'd got those covers but I couldn't really see, and I was 189 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:25,200 trying to hide. And then I woke up. I was laying in the exact same position that I'd went to sleep at. 190 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:31,680 I looked out that window and the sun was shining. The living room was bright as it could be 191 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:40,640 and it was a beautiful day. I immediately, after that knew something was it right? That wasn't my mom. 192 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:50,640 I would have had the instinct to be able to know that it was okay to go to her to call and 193 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:56,320 like I do now, I talked to her last night in my dream. I would have that instinct to know that it 194 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:01,680 was her and it was okay. I just know that I would, and I believe what Jess was telling me was true. 195 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:07,920 What do I think was trying to get in during that dream? You want to know what I just did? 196 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,840 Three days before. Your first paranormal investigation. 197 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:17,840 Cleanse the house. Oh, I was going to ask you if you had started investigating yet. 198 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:24,720 Yes, and I had just cleaned the house and I had salted the doors. Every, even closets, you know, 199 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:29,600 even had a little strand of salt going across them. You can't even get in my closet. I had done it 200 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:34,960 properly. I had locked it up the way it needed to be. When I talked to Jess, she was like, "Well, 201 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:40,480 that's kind of crazy because you said you cleansed when and I let her know." She was like, "Well, whatever, 202 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:45,440 you were trying to the negativity that you were filling in the house that you were trying to get out, 203 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:53,520 it was trying to come back in." You have to really watch yourself. What caused me to have that 204 00:21:53,520 --> 00:22:01,280 sleep paralysis experience? I have no idea. Was it tied to whatever I feel like was possibly trying 205 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:10,160 to come through in my dream as my mother? I don't know. Maybe. Maybe not. I feel like it's very 206 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:15,600 possible for them to trick you in ways. I don't think you just have to watch for the knocking on the door 207 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:22,480 two weeks after. You know. And I feel like when you cleanse, you, you know, you're trying to get 208 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:29,360 the negative out. If you are a believer of paranormal, you might be trying to get maybe any entities out, 209 00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:37,840 whatever. However, on the flip side of that, I'm sure there's something to that where either you 210 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:46,240 aren't fully doing it properly, or you piss something off. And in that moment, I really truly believe 211 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:54,480 that whatever I had sent away from the house in that moment when I cleansed, was trying to find some 212 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:59,520 way for me to welcome it back in. Now, if in that dream, if I would have said, "I'm in here, Mom," 213 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:06,240 or if when Mom had asked for a hug right before, I forgot that part, because Mom asked for a hug in the 214 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:11,680 dream. To come here and give her a hug. What if I had found the way to get up and go give her a hug? 215 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:16,240 Would that have welcomed whatever I'd cleansed out of that home right back in to where it was feeling 216 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:23,280 cozy and comfy? I mean, that's one thing I always look at. And then I wonder, if you would have 217 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:29,280 physically gotten up? I don't know. I didn't try. Yeah, I was like, "Nope, that's not my mama." 218 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:35,120 And then we get into sleepwalking, which is a whole separate topic. And I wonder if it's all tied 219 00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:41,280 together. Right. I have no idea. Yeah. Just another theory. I've only sleepwalked once. Yeah. Once 220 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,040 that I know of, and it was kind of wild, ended up outside. That's for another podcast. 221 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:53,040 My sister did too. I do have the neighbors across the wild bunch of neighbors that we lived with 222 00:23:53,040 --> 00:24:00,160 woke me up, because they were talking outside. I was like, "Oh, oh boy. Better get back in the house." 223 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:05,040 Yeah, I don't think she's done it in a while, but my sister, Jamie, I remember several times where 224 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:12,160 she was not in her bed and she was not awake. That is scary because if they hadn't to woke me up, 225 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:19,120 where would I went? Yeah. Where would she go? Yeah, it's scary. I probably think, I wish Shannon was 226 00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:25,040 here to tell you, he's at work, of course. We got to do the podcast early. I'm going to tell you 227 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:34,160 from my point of view, after I come in to Shannons and he had what he will tell you is the most terrifying 228 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:41,280 Sleep paralysis experience he's ever had. I remember I was going over there after work, I got in the car, 229 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:48,400 drove over like normal, then unlocked the door, went in, and Shannon was sitting with his knees up to his 230 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:58,240 chest on the bed, scared to death. I was like, that's really weird. He looks like he lost his best friend, 231 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:05,840 probably worse. I was like, what's wrong? He was like, I didn't go to work today. I was like, okay, 232 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:14,080 I was like, are you sick? Do you feel bad? He was like, no. Then he proceeded to tell me that that 233 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:21,200 morning he was working second shift at the time. He was asleep and he heard a really loud banging 234 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:27,680 at the front door. He started yelling, okay, hold on, wait a minute, it sounded really urgent. 235 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:34,800 Like really, it was bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. He went to go get up and he couldn't. He couldn't move. 236 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:41,120 All he could do, now he could yell. All he could do was say, I'll be right there, but it wasn't like a 237 00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:46,400 yell scream is coming barely out like a talking instead of the way he intended it for it to be. 238 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,960 Well, he's laying there and he's trying to get up because he knows someone's at the door. 239 00:25:52,000 --> 00:26:02,240 And then he hears, bang, bang, bang, Shannon, let me in! So all of a sudden, it's like his hold goes off 240 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:10,560 and he jumps about the bed and he said, "I'm up". He goes to the door, nothing was there. There was no 241 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:19,680 car in the driveway. No, nothing. I don't know, but it scared him. I'm going to say it, shitless. 242 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,760 Well, yeah, if he didn't go to work, I mean, I know Shannon, he's a hard worker. 243 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:28,160 Yeah, I mean, when he said, when it was, he thought it was going to tear the door up there, 244 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:35,200 banging, and so hard. So he's wondering, what's wrong? Who is that coming to the door? My God, 245 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:41,680 something bad's happened. Wait, I can't remember. Did you say, was this at the house that you grew up 246 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:47,520 in or the apartment? Apartment. Okay. That address was 2222, apartment number 2. 247 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:56,800 Don't live there. 2222 apartment number 2. Although if it's Shannon and not the apartment, 248 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:02,080 that's a whole different thing. Well, wait, now we found out it was just a little cheap apartment, 249 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,880 It was one bedroom. We had another room where we actually could make room to have for Hayden. He was 250 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:11,760 3 at the time. Have him a little bedroom. So we added him a little bedroom, and it was perfect 251 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:17,600 for the first little starter apartment. No complaints. It was $400 a month. You couldn't ask for 252 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:24,480 more. You know, I mean, it was great. We got in there. When we walked through, and I'm getting way 253 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:29,920 off topic, but do you want me to get way off topic, you do, don't you? That's fine. We've probably only been 254 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:36,080 going a half an hour or so. This is a good apartment. This might even open up us going into this apartment. 255 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:42,000 But when we walked in, the carpets were wet. And I mean, like, really wet. He was like, 'oh, 256 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:48,960 I'm sorry. I just had to clean the carpets. I had them clean three times.' I was like, they're clean. 257 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:57,120 That's not no. Something's wrong. I was like, oh, red flag. Okay. Well, how much is this apartment? 258 00:27:57,120 --> 00:28:05,120 400. Okay. Well, we're taking that. That's all it took. $400. I mean, I don't care what you cleaned up. 259 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:13,200 And you know what? I think we didn't even have a deposit. We didn't even deposit. So we gave him $400 260 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:20,160 and we had the keys right then, you know. So I was like, okay, I let it slide about the carpets. Maybe 261 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:29,360 the dude's just really clean. I don't know. Never clean. Maybe he's just really clean. So anyways, 262 00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:34,320 we lived there for a while. I heard, I'm not going to go into complete experiences, because we might be 263 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,560 able to do something with this. I heard this, that, and other had this that, and other happened. 264 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:45,520 Just weird stuff. Like, had me question. I wasn't investigating the paranormal. And so we was like, 265 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:50,800 something's up in this apartment. We just, you know, we didn't have any way to do anything about it. 266 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:55,920 But, we just knew something was going on. So when I was out one day with our neighbors, it was like, 267 00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:00,320 I was not going to say a fourplex. It was like, I mean, a duplex. It was like a fourplex. 268 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:05,200 There was 2 apartments up top and then2 apartments at the bottom and it was just one building like 269 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:11,280 this. And I was out in the yard and the neighbors were out. It was a pretty day. And they started telling me 270 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:19,200 about the woman who lived there before us, and some of the crazy stuff that she was doing in the 271 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:27,280 apartment. Yeah. Oh boy. Shannon and I did talk to the landlord. It was true. He didn't believe it 272 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:36,240 though, he was not a believer in paranormal. He's like, just whatever. They told me that she was a runaway. 273 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:42,000 She was trying to make a better life after Hurricane Katrina. Everything was devastated. She had lost 274 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:49,200 a lot of loved ones. And she was just coming here for, I guess, a new start. She ended up getting that 275 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:58,560 apartment, would bring chickens into it regularly, like chickens, live chickens regularly. And they had 276 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:06,400 come to, the landlord had come to find out, not the neighbors that she was keeping chickens in the 277 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:14,800 bathtub. I seen the scratches on the bathtub. After living there, we didn't live there about a year. 278 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:21,600 After living there, I think 7 months, I found little splatters of teeny tiny splatters, when I 279 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:26,160 was going through and doing a complete another wipe down of where I guess I had missed blood. 280 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:31,520 Because I had, I had bleached the kitchen floor. I had walked through on the baseboards. I had done 281 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:36,000 everything. You know, this house was way it was supposed to be, but somehow I guess I missed that. 282 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:43,360 I had red candle wax on my bedroom floor in spots. I'm not sure what she was doing, or what red 283 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:51,200 candle wax could be. I have an idea. Okay. It's just a horror movie in the making. We should be 284 00:30:51,200 --> 00:31:01,840 writing a script not telling this on here, but continue. I honestly, I was told, but someone who at that 285 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:09,040 time I do believe, and I still believe, I believe she has abilities, but I was told that she was trying to 286 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:16,720 conjure up her dead that she lost during Hurricane Katrina, and she brought back things into that 287 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:22,400 apartment that she did not know what to do with. Well, I just got chills when I said that. 288 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:32,000 So, we experienced quite a bit in that apartment. Do I want to go back? No, but am I glad I, 289 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:38,800 I'm glad I was there because it was, yeah, to actually see it firsthand. Yeah, there was just a lot 290 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:45,760 of weird things in that apartment. And this is why we say we understand wanting to reach out to your 291 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:52,560 loved ones, but you have to know what you're doing and you have to know protections, openings, 292 00:31:52,560 --> 00:32:00,160 and closings to do it the right way. Even if it's an app. Yes. And I'm not gonna, I'm not going to 293 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:07,040 comment on this lady. I don't know anything about her. I never seen her with my own eyes. I don't, 294 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:12,640 yeah, I can't say whether she was a good or bad person, or what she was. They did say though that she 295 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:22,400 had the appearance of an individual that you would see like in a fortune telling place in New Orleans. 296 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:30,160 So whether she dabbled with something, I'm not sure. That conjuring part came from someone who 297 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:35,200 said that's what they picked up and pictured. I'm not sure on that either, but something went on 298 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:43,760 there. And why are you putting chickens in the bathtub? Well, maybe doing what you're possibly 299 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:50,880 thinking happened. I was putting my three-year-old in that bathtub. No, I was trying to do normal stuff in 300 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:58,720 that bathtub. Normal stuff. We were taking bubble baths. He or he was, I wasn't, but yeah. I don't know, 301 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:06,640 that was, I guess I can't say I'm glad I didn't experience it because it was wild. And I always have 302 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:12,560 wondered if possibly that wasn't the truth, that maybe she got something that was just a little too much 303 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:20,160 for her to chew, which we both know can easily happen. Oh yeah. Yeah, you don't have to be 304 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:28,160 anybody or anything or trying to do anything in particular. You can, you can contact these 305 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:34,720 entities that don't mean the best for you. Yeah, and that's why we're always, Emily and I saying, 306 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:40,400 make sure you know what you're doing. Yep, because you know, people are curious, more than anything, 307 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:47,600 people want to reach out to their loved ones. I get that. It's just, you don't want to open yourself 308 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:54,720 up to all of these stories that we just read, and what Amy just told you. Oh gosh, no, it's so possible. 309 00:33:55,520 --> 00:34:01,360 Another thing that I really want for people that reach out to us on our page on Facebook, 310 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:07,680 The Paranormal Couple to understand, I get it. You want to reach your mom, or you want to reach 311 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:14,800 your cousin, or your brother, or your dad. I know you do. But if you take one of the devices that we have 312 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:20,640 and try to use it in the same way that we do, it's not guaranteed that you're going to connect with 313 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:29,040 that individual. You could even connect with an individual that is pretending to be that loved one, 314 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:35,040 just trying to get your weakness. So you have to be very, very, very careful. You have to learn 315 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:42,720 your protection and learn to, I guess I'm going to say sometimes let your gut do the thinking. Let 316 00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:48,320 your intuition work, because a lot of people do not understand how strong their intuition is. 317 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:53,600 And if some of these theories that we talked about today are right about sleep paralysis being 318 00:34:53,600 --> 00:35:00,560 is it paranormal? Is it something that happens to you when you're vulnerable like missing your loved 319 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:06,080 ones and wanting to reach out to them, and trying to that maybe is something that opens up 320 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:11,280 something where you're going to end up having something like this. So just be careful. 321 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:16,080 I'm riding on that train with you and we'll ride on it till the day we die, won't we? 322 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:21,040 Oh, of course. Yes. I'm a skeptic and I cleanse my house every month. 323 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:29,280 Say, I don't know. I just care about everybody. I do. I care about you all and I want to make sure 324 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:35,200 that if you're going to do this, you just do it correctly and safely for you, because I would love 325 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:41,680 nothing more than everyone to have an experience and get that message or whatever it is that they need 326 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:47,440 from that loved one. And I'm going to write down right now. We need to do an episode on 327 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:53,760 cleansing, opening, closing, protections. I don’t, there is no opening. I do. I don't. You know me. 328 00:35:53,760 --> 00:36:02,480 You've seen me be ridiculous. This is why I say I do know opening. When I open that door, as soon as I 329 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:09,920 have turned that device on, whatever, whether it may be an ovilus, a spirit box or an app, 330 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:16,320 I've already got that intent to communicate. So to me, when I turn that on, the door is already open 331 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:22,240 and it's just time for me to introduce myself. I guess I just look at it a little different than you 332 00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:30,240 per se because of the fact that I believe that it doesn't take a complete full acknowledgement of 333 00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:36,160 the spirit world to open a door. You can have that intent and still do it. And I think a lot of people 334 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,960 don't understand that when you go, okay, I'm going to visit my mom tomorrow at the cemetery. I'm 335 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:46,320 going to change her flowers out. And I may say, I love you mom. I'll be back later. I don't believe 336 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:51,840 at that moment you have opened up door communication. You're just communicating to your mother. You know, 337 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:57,040 I'm going to come back and I'm going to take care for your spot. But if you went there and you're like, 338 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:02,160 wonderful, anybody else here wants to, you know what I'm saying? That's when you're 339 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:09,440 teetering, and on your line of communication. So if you're just doing a regular visit, I 100% think 340 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:14,240 you're fine. It's just the communication part is when you need to be careful. That makes sense. 341 00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:23,200 That's just my look at it. But I totally get why I guess to me an opening would just be my entrance and intent. 342 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:33,280 Me. I love you. it's okay, I don't mean any bad intent. Yeah, mine is very specific and we definitely 343 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:39,280 should cover this because I see a lot of people asking about it. So, I'm going to put that down as 344 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:47,040 maybe we'll do it in a few weeks. I can't remember what song I used, but I was in the cemetery and I 345 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:54,000 did it on, um, I did it on our Facebook page and it said how to open up door communication. It was a 346 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,160 song, and I just sang the words to it. That's all you got to do. I think it was just talk to me or 347 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:04,960 something like that. That's all you got to do. I just, and just because I believe something, doesn't 348 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:11,840 mean it's right. Just because Dawn believes something doesn't mean it's right. We're all human beings living 349 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:18,720 in this world, trying to do the best we have with beautiful ideas that sometimes differ. If you do your 350 00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:26,560 thing different, it's okay. We love our disclaimers here. We just want you to be safe. That's it. Yes, 351 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:33,520 absolutely. On that note, do we want to say we'll meet back here in a week? Yeah, now I was getting 352 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:38,560 ready to talk to you like we wasn't on the podcast. What episode are we doing next week? What's 353 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:45,680 airing next week? Yes, let's meet back here in a week. We've really got some really cool stuff 354 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:53,920 coming up for you guys and I want to say I'm just flat proud. I'm proud. Me too. We can do this. 355 00:38:53,920 --> 00:39:00,160 It's been a lot of fun. It's a lot of work. So if anyone's planning on doing this, I do see people 356 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:07,680 regularly say, 'oh, I want to do a podcast.' It's not something you just throw up. I mean, I guess you 357 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:13,280 could if you're just doing YouTube. But to do an actual like professional sounding podcast, 358 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:20,480 there's a lot more to it. Not to discourage anyone. I encourage everyone to do it. Absolutely. 359 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:27,520 I'm still over here trying to get myself to sound professional. I know. I know, but I'm happy with 360 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:35,040 where we are. We do have some really good things coming up. And I thank each and every one of you 361 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:41,440 that click on this link that push play and listen to us. Thank you for being here. Yes. Thank you so 362 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:47,040 much. We appreciate everyone of you. And on that note, what are we going to do? Meet back here 363 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,960 in a week. See you guys later. Bye. Bye. Bye. 364 00:39:50,960 --> 00:40:01,760 Thanks for making it to the end and hanging out with us. Keep on the lookout for our next episode 365 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:11,760 and stay gruesome.