Ep22: True Crime: The Playboy Murders

Join Amy and Dawn as they dive headfirst (and heels first) into The Playboy Murders — serving true crime with a side of sass, as they dish on cases featured in the show. Trust us, these stories have more twists than a soap opera in stilettos.

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1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,680 [Music] 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:19,680 Hello and welcome to our podcast Talk Gruesome To Me where we talk about movies and shows that cover true crime, paranormal, and horror. 3 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:27,920 I am one of your hosts, Dawn. I am currently located in Los Angeles and I think I'm pretty well versed in the horror genre, 4 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:35,360 especially those 80s classics. A quick fun fact about me? I have a very extensive crystal collection. 5 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:43,920 Hello, I'm Amy. I'm from Kentucky and my area of expertise for this podcast is paranormal. A few fun facts about me. 6 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:50,240 I'm an empath, I collect old dolls, and you know, I've never flown on an airplane. Can you believe that? 7 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:57,440 Now, Dawn and I are also obsessed with true crime, so here we are. Talk Gruesome to me. 8 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:05,040 Welcome in for this week's episode. We decided to watch a few episodes of the Playboy Murders. 9 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:10,480 Now, what we did is Dawn picked a couple of episodes and I picked a couple. 10 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:16,880 There is three seasons of the show, so there was so much to actually choose from. 11 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:23,600 What we're going to do is we're going to take turns going from season one to season three on what we actually chose. 12 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,440 And we're going to kind of give you a rundown of that episode. 13 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:34,880 And at the end, we're going to come back in and let you know what we thought about them if we think you should go watch. 14 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:42,320 And on a side note, I freaking love Holly Madison, who is the host of the Playboy Murders. 15 00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:50,560 Yes, I loved the Girls Next Door. I actually, I don't know when that was, but when she had her show in Vegas, 16 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,400 I think it was called Peep Show. It was like a burlesque type show. 17 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:59,200 I went and did a meet and greet with her and I have a picture and I have a t-shirt. 18 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,160 That's so cool. Yeah, I agree with you. 19 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:11,920 And who better else to tell us these stories and these tragic murders than someone who's actually 20 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:15,120 lived in the lifestyle, actually been in the home. 21 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:20,000 So I kind of appreciate that she's the one narrating us through as well. 22 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:26,800 Yeah, that is a good point. It is definitely, I have friends who have been in that world. 23 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:33,920 We could probably do a whole side minisode on stuff with the Playboy Mansion in general, but I've met you 24 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:40,400 half an hour. So that is a good point. I like that she has that sort of insider view because it is 25 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:45,760 not a normal world. Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking as I was watching it. 26 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:50,960 And she would, you know, she was talking about like in my episode, how there was two of them. 27 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:56,400 And I'm not going to give away the episode. It was just yet, but she was like two individuals 28 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:01,840 like that walking in. They're gladly going to be welcomed. She already knew because she had been 29 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:08,960 inside the, in the mansion. So I totally did like that it could have been, I guess, Bridget or 30 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:13,600 Kendra. I don't think either of them would have done it, but I was happy to see Holly there. 31 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:20,000 I just ended up picking season one episode one just because I thought that was a good start for us. 32 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:29,040 That very first episode is called Bunny Meets Bachelor. It's about a girl named Jasmine Fiori. 33 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:35,920 At the time of her death, she was 28. She grew up in Northern California. She was pretty blonde 34 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:43,520 with big boobs. She looked like a playmate. She was an only child. She was raised by a single mom. 35 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:50,640 She was a little bit of a tomboy, they said, who liked race cars and horses. She wanted to do some 36 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:56,720 modeling. So she started spending time in Vegas and Los Angeles. And then she started going to 37 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:04,000 pool parties at the mansion and doing golf events for Playboy. She really wanted to be a centerfold. 38 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:09,680 They didn't say, I don't think that ever happened, but you know, she kept submitting for that. So she's 39 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:20,320 really enjoyed that lifestyle of Playboy and what it stood for. In March of 2009, so five months 40 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:28,160 before her murder. There was this guy, Ryan Jenkins, and he seemed sort of obsessed with being famous. 41 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:37,600 He was on a reality show that it was a dating show and it was all these guys trying to date this 42 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:46,480 playmate named Megan. He went on that show. They sort of secretly were dating even though they were 43 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:53,840 on this show. You know, when you're doing those shows, it's scripted and the producers are ultimately 44 00:04:53,840 --> 00:05:00,000 saying what's going to happen. Sorry if no one knows that, but that's what happens. 45 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:08,160 This girl Megan wanted to pick Ryan, but the producers told her no. She didn't have time to tell Ryan, 46 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:15,840 hey, this is what's going on. I wanted to pick you. They told me no. So it was in the moment of 47 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:23,200 I'm not choosing you. Obviously he got upset. She said that he kept calling her over and over, 48 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:29,280 but since she was filming, she couldn't answer him and she couldn't really explain to him what happened. 49 00:05:29,280 --> 00:05:38,960 A couple of days later, he tells her that he met someone and got married. That someone was Jasmine 50 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:47,120 Fiori, the girl that I was speaking of a couple of minutes ago. He's now married in this whirlwind. I met 51 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:54,560 this girl and married her a couple of days later telling Megan, hey, this is what happened. The way 52 00:05:54,560 --> 00:06:02,560 that Ryan and Jasmine met, they met at a club in Vegas. Not really. I would say the best start. 53 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:08,320 They both apparently shared a birthday and they both thought that that was some sign that they 54 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:15,040 were meant to be together. They had this whirlwind. They got married. They met on the 16th and got married 55 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:24,400 on March 18th, 2009, two days later. They pretty quickly started having issues. Jasmine realized that 56 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:32,960 Ryan actually didn't have any money even though he claimed to. It was his dad who lives in Canada. 57 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:40,320 Ryan started dipping into Jasmine's money. No one wants that. Obviously she didn't like that. 58 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:52,880 At some point here, not too long after, he starts asking Megan, hey, let's go to dinner. She said, 59 00:06:52,880 --> 00:07:00,240 she did it because she did like him. She said he just was different. He was pale. He looked thin 60 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:08,160 and he wasn't really acting like himself. He told her that Jasmine was ruining his life 61 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:16,000 and that neither one of them wanted to be together. Megan's advice to Ryan was to go on 62 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:23,440 another reality show called I Love Money that was filming in Mexico. She said maybe some of that space 63 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:30,560 would be a good thing for him, her, all of it. He goes. He does this show. And this is in 64 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:39,200 now July of 2009. So this is four months after they're married. He goes on the show. While he's there, 65 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:46,800 he's, you know, emailing and calling Megan and they're kind of going back and forth. Just talking 66 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:56,240 about how terrible his relationship is with Jasmine. This night, August 13th, I think it was, let me 67 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:01,520 double check that because I want to make sure that's factual. August 13th. Okay. What a jerk. 68 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:10,800 What a jerk. Yeah, I don't get married after meeting someone in Vegas at a club for two days knowing 69 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:16,800 them. Maybe get to know somebody a little bit better. I said, yeah. And that sounds so shitty and 70 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:21,440 victim blame me and I kind of regret that that just came out of my mouth. I would like you to at least 71 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:31,120 get to know him a little bit better. Yeah. August 13th or 14th. So Ryan and Jasmine go to a poker 72 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:37,520 tournament in San Diego together. They're seen on cameras, you know, getting out of the car, 73 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:43,200 going into the hotel. You can see them and they show all this on the show. You can see them walking 74 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:51,280 to their room during the poker tournament. They go through her text after she passes away. 75 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:59,520 She had been texting one of her ex's named Robert Hasman. She had sent a text saying that she wanted 76 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:08,640 Robert, he must be wealthy, to send a plane for her. She said, I'm done with him. Get me to you. Like, 77 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:15,600 I want to be with you. I don't know if that they never said whether he was like sure, I'll do that. 78 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:22,640 They kind of didn't cover that, which is fine. I don't know if Ryan saw these texts, but at some point 79 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:29,600 they got into an argument. They left and went to an after hours club. They were seen at 12.30am 80 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:38,560 together where they got into another argument. The last text that Robert received and they didn't 81 00:09:38,560 --> 00:09:46,320 say what time it was said 'suck it', which obviously wouldn't have come from Jasmine clearly. No. 82 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:53,200 That seems like, bless her heart. She was starting to kind of realize what kind of situation she had 83 00:09:53,200 --> 00:10:00,480 herself in when she reached out to the other guy. That's awful. Like, it's too late by that point 84 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:08,480 for her. Yeah. They leave the after hours and then the last time that she is seen is at 2:38 85 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:16,960 am. Then at 4:30am, two hours later, he's seen running to their room in the hotel down the hall. 86 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:25,360 Their room had this back patio with a sliding door. What they think is that he attacked her in the 87 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:31,840 car, brought her in through the back sliding door because you can't walk her through a hotel if she's 88 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:37,760 all beat up and attacked. So they think that he brought her in through the back patio, 89 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:44,640 slide her door and that she was probably in bad shape. That's where and when he ended up killing 90 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:52,880 her by strangling her. She also, and this is where it gets graphic, she also was dismembered. She had 91 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:59,040 no teeth. All of her fingers and her thumbs were cut off. He was definitely trying to keep them from 92 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:07,360 being able to identify her. One hundred percent. Yeah. Most definitely. So they think then he put her 93 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:14,480 into a suitcase. We'll turn out that same back patio door because you don't see him coming out 94 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:22,160 with that suitcase ever again. But in the video of where they came into the hotel, they have that suitcase. 95 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:29,600 But he doesn't leave with it. In fact, when he leaves that day, a couple hours later around 6.30am, 96 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:36,960 he just has his clothes in his hand. And of course, I'm assuming they did not find a suitcase 97 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:45,760 inside of the room. No. And she was dismembered in the suitcase. Yeah. So there's nothing in there, 98 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:52,480 be off. You can't even try to say, oh, well, I left it in there and you already know. No. They found it. 99 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:58,560 It's yours. I don't know if it was the same day. I think it was the day after they got a phone call, 100 00:11:58,560 --> 00:12:04,880 the police from someone who said, hey, there's this suitcase in a dumpster. I think there's a little 101 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:11,680 kid in it. So they go, they find Jasmine, but she has no teeth or fingers or thumbs, so they can't 102 00:12:11,680 --> 00:12:20,480 identify her. However, breast implants have serial numbers. They ran it and that was how they found out 103 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:27,440 that it was Jasmine. And they figured that out pretty quickly. In the meantime, Ryan had left. He was 104 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:34,800 on his way back to Canada. They're calling. He's not answering. They finally get a hold of him. 105 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:41,120 And he tells them that he hadn't seen her since the day before, but he's on camera with her 106 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:47,760 that night in the middle of the night. So clearly a lie. I mean, they don't know that yet, 107 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:52,480 because they haven't seen that footage. The fact that he ran was already suspicious to them. 108 00:12:52,480 --> 00:13:00,240 At one point, the Coast Guard seized him out in his boat, driving around, and then he docked, 109 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:08,480 walked into Canada, had his sister pick him up. He went to a motel in Hope, Canada, and then he ended 110 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:16,240 up hanging himself in the motel. He left a letter that basically blamed Jasmine, saying that she 111 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:23,520 was a monster. Right. He admitted he did it. He died, which honestly, I'm just going to say it in all 112 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:28,080 of these circumstances. I just wish these people would all kill themselves because going through a 113 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:37,200 murder trial for me, for my niece, was worse than all of the pre what happened when it actually happened. 114 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:41,840 The murder trial is terrible. Whenever I hear that someone killed themselves, I'm like, 115 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:50,800 "Oh, that saved the family so much agony." In the end, they said that, which is good, they said that 116 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:58,640 it prompted the reality TV world to implement more rigorous background checks and raise bigger 117 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:06,640 concerns about participant safety. That's good. The girl, though, Megan, who that show that he was 118 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:13,360 on trying to date her, unfortunately, that whole incident, she was always tied to it, even though she 119 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:21,280 didn't do anything. She was an inactive participant. It killed her career. Her show got 120 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:27,280 canceled and she never really was able to recover from that. So that kind of sucks for her. 121 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:34,480 Yeah. That's a shame. Yeah. That season won Episode 1, Bunny Meets Bachelor. And these are just quick 122 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:41,440 recaps. You should watch it. There's obviously way more information and footage and they interview a lot 123 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:48,400 of people in these episodes. Oh, yes. Most definitely. Now, it started into Season 2 Episode 1 and I 124 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:54,720 watched Double Trouble. That is about Sandy and Mandy Bentley. They are twins and they grew up in 125 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:59,680 Joliet, Illinois. They were brought up as strict Catholics. They weren't allowed to date boys. 126 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:05,440 Their dad was an alcoholic and it seemed like their life was kind of rough. But the two of those 127 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:11,680 girls, they were very smart. They went to Catholic school where they both graduated and both went on to, 128 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:17,120 you know, want to do things in life. Eventually, they both decided to take a road trip to Los Angeles 129 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:22,800 and they went to the Garden of Eden. Now, guess who they met there? They met no other than Hugh 130 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:30,240 Heffner. He automatically had a thing for twins. So these girls were right up his alley. They both 131 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:36,640 become well known at the Playboy Mansion and by 1998, they were both living there and both became 132 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:43,360 Hugh Heffner's girlfriends. They were both 22 by this time. Now Mandy was reserved and Sandy, 133 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:48,960 she was business-minded. They were both living in this mansion. They had a curfew. They couldn't 134 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:57,040 date anyone else. They always had to be ready to get going and look great at all times. They had a 135 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:02,880 weekly allowance of a thousand dollars a week and when of course, when it come to going to parties 136 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:07,920 and gatherings, they had to look their best and there was allowance for that as well. If they wanted 137 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:13,280 a boob job, if they wanted a nose job, whatever they wanted, it was taken care of no work. 138 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:23,440 In 1999, now Sandy met a guy named Mark Yagala. He was rich. He had lots of money and he could have 139 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:32,240 cared less about what Hugh Heffner thought or any of his rules. Sandy was being lavished by him. 140 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:39,920 He was purchasing her homes, lavish cars. It was said that he spent seven million dollars on her 141 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:47,120 during their relationship. Come to find out, who sees them out while they are in the restaurant. 142 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:54,480 One of Hugh Heffner's friends, bam, it's all done. They have to break up. He's not going to be 143 00:16:54,480 --> 00:17:02,000 humiliated like that in public. In the fall 144 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:09,040 of 2000, Sandy and Mandy ended it with Heffner and they moved out the mansion. Mark and her got together. 145 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:15,600 She was living in Las Vegas. By that point, it kind of 146 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:23,920 come to light that all of this money that he had, he wasn't coming by it honestly. He was stealing 147 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:31,600 it from investors and he had bought her all kinds of jewelry. Whatever you could think of, this girl had 148 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:40,000 it. As they are seizing up everything, they also come to question Sandy about the jewelry, the clothing, 149 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:46,560 any kind of properties, any kind of cars. They want it because they have already sentenced him to 150 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:51,520 five years in prison and they're coming back trying to get some of the money, anything that they 151 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:58,720 could sell to give back to the victims who did lose so much money. It ends out that Sandy, she didn't 152 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:05,360 know where a lot of this stuff is. She said she had had some of it stolen and she only had what little 153 00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:12,800 bit was in the house. They show up to check it out because guess what in 2001, Sandy's not there. 154 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:20,320 They get in, the CSS is at a dead end, they cannot find the jewelry, they cannot find Sandy. Finally, 155 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:29,200 they find out that Sandy is living in LA. 156 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:37,200 You have a black luxury SUV and it is found in golfed inflames. Who is inside, 157 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:43,120 there's two people. You have gunshot wounds to the back of their head and it looked like if you 158 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:47,680 would sit in the back of the seat, the shooter had actually sat and shot them both in the back of the 159 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:54,640 head and then set the SUV on fire. Now the funny thing about that was nobody knew who these people 160 00:18:54,640 --> 00:19:02,480 were. It was really crazy. Who would want to hurt somebody this way? It was very, very violent. 161 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:08,640 Those two victims ended up being Michael Tardio, Sandy's new boyfriend and his best friend, Chris 162 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:14,320 Monson. They had both worked at the Garden of Eden and both were well off and lived pretty 163 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:21,040 respectable lives. So the police couldn't figure out why anybody would have wanted to hurt them for sure. 164 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:27,760 They go to check the car. That was actually a rental car and it was rented two days earlier to Michael. 165 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:33,760 It was a luxury car like I said, it was a very nice ride. He wanted obviously to impress someone. 166 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:39,600 The police officers, they are looking 167 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:45,040 for any kind of clues or anyone to talk to so they head to the Garden of Eden and that is where they 168 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:50,560 run into Sandy. Now she identifies herself as Michael's girlfriend and says she cannot get a 169 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:56,800 hold of him and that is where she finds out what happened. Sandy said that she seen them the night 170 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:03,200 before and Michael went somewhere in Hollywood with Chris. Michael told her to call Michael Jacobs 171 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:09,680 if anything happened. She didn't know anything else other than that. The cops get Jacobs' cell phone 172 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:16,320 records and he has been in contact with Michael. The detectives talk with Michael and he gives an 173 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:22,800 alibi of being with his girlfriend and it turns out that by the cell phone towers they were 174 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:32,640 pinging that he wasn't telling the truth and he was more so by the crime scene. That never really did 175 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:38,960 come to a head by that point because I was really confused and they cleared him. That was just really 176 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:44,800 strange. I was really confused so I can't clear that part up for you because I'm still confused. 177 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:51,440 Sandy also becomes a suspect because of the missing jewelry. That was reported stolen. Remember, 178 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,440 when we're going to go back to where they were looking for the rest of the jewelry. She said it had 179 00:20:55,440 --> 00:21:01,760 been stolen so they were kind of wondering had Chris and Mike had something to do with it. Come to 180 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:09,120 find out. Guess where the jewelry was in the SUV. Now Sandy, they know that she's had something to do 181 00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:15,680 with it. Can they completely tie her to it? No. They don't. They don't know. But Sandy, she's about to 182 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:21,920 lose everything before she is completely where it's stripping back before the murders. Sandy's about to 183 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:27,600 lose everything. Chris and Michael, they want to help Sandy. So they help her steal furs, jewelry, and 184 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:32,960 money. They put it in the car and Michael goes and buys a money counter. He buys a money pen. 185 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:39,120 He thinks that they're getting ready to make some money. They find a buyer and that buyer, he 186 00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:43,920 actually backs out because he's looking at this jewelry and he's looking at this stuff and they're 187 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:50,720 kind of wondering where's this where's it coming from. Wait, hold your breath. We got another buyer. 188 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:58,320 We got one named Mr. Big and Mr. Big says that he is ready to meet them and so Michael, he wants to 189 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:03,920 you know look like a big shot. We're going to go back to that luxury vehicle. Michael rents that 190 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:10,640 luxury SUV. He asks his best friend Chris Monson to head with him as kind of you know, just a partner 191 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:15,280 a lookout just to somebody to hang with him and give him a little bit of security. I guess just to 192 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:20,640 make him feel better. He's going on this big luxury ride and he's going to come back with all kinds of 193 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:26,480 money. So why wouldn't you want your friend to go with you? 194 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:35,280 195 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:42,640 The last call that Sandy got Michael was on his way to meet Mr. Big's and that's all that she 196 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:48,480 knew. The police they look for the jewelry hope and to find the murderer. They still to this day do 197 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:56,320 not know who Mr. Big's is. This is a cold case from 2000 and to the jewelry. I'm really, okay, I'm 198 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:01,600 confused by this point and I want to say it because I talked about earlier how they found the jewelry 199 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:08,640 in the SUV. I promise you that you might want to watch this and double check me. Also, they had said 200 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:15,280 that they think the remainder of the jewelry may have been melted down. So I'm not sure if maybe there 201 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:21,360 was some to lead them that that's what was going on between Chris and Michael. You got Mr. Big's 202 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:26,320 in the back. You got the jewelry, the guns, whatever they're handing back and forth for money. 203 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:32,320 Bam, bam. Thank you, ma’am. I'm gone. So they think maybe it might have possibly been melted down 204 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:40,000 and to this day Sandy and Mandy, they both have stayed out of the spotlight. Mandy is now raising a family. 205 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:46,480 It did not say anything about Sandy. I'm not sure what is she is doing to this day and I'm not sure 206 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:52,720 that she do you I don't know. Do you think she still might have some of those? Yeah. You think so? 207 00:23:52,720 --> 00:24:00,720 Yeah, I'm going to go with you. Yeah, I'm going to say so. Yeah, okay. 208 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:08,080 I hate cold cases. So I didn't love the ending on that one. Some of you all don't watch enough true 209 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:16,400 crime because why are you pinging cell phones in areas of murders? That's all. You're just making one 210 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:22,480 of those great big maps of the United States with the the pins all through it. That's I mean, 211 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:27,920 it's exactly you're pinging and ponging off of everything. Pinging pong, ping pong completely. 212 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:37,280 It's like the first rule of murder. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I would never do anything like that, but I have 213 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:43,600 kind of realized maybe all should have read up a little bit before you tried being bad individuals. 214 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:51,600 Right, I don't know. This is season two episode two, The Bunny and Charles Manson. Now this episode 215 00:24:51,600 --> 00:25:00,080 is about Victoria Veitri, aka she's also known as Angela Dorian and Victoria Rathgeb. She was a 216 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:05,920 California girl. Her father owned a restaurant. Her mother was a model. Both were very successful. 217 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:12,080 She inspired to be an actress and she was an Italian. She began acting in modeling and her teens and 218 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:20,640 in 1962 Victoria won Hollywood star. She wasn't getting big roles. So she thought Playboy could really 219 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:27,040 start a career because around that time, Playboy was reaching around five million eyes and that right 220 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:34,000 there was about the amount that she would get reached in a big time movie. So she thought, why not let's 221 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:41,200 give this a try. 222 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:47,280 Hugh Hefner offered her her own spread. She hoped it would lead to 223 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:54,880 launching her career. Playboy of the month 1967, that was her. She had one full page nude and the 224 00:25:54,880 --> 00:26:01,280 rest they kind of chose to show her actor side. They wanted to kind of show that she wasn't just a 225 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:09,840 pretty face and a sexy body that she was an actor. She was inspiring to become this beautiful as she 226 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:15,440 gosh was she. Have you seen pictures of her? I watched all of these episodes. Oh, she 227 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:23,040 gorgeous. She was she just wanted to become aspiring actor. Says she was as beautiful. But she become 228 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:30,240 Playboy the month like I said in 1967. She got that one full page nude and the rest was just to do 229 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:36,400 that. Like I said, she had a little bit of here was with the phone and here I'm being an actress on 230 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:42,880 this picture. I really liked how they did that. Now she became popular and then become playmate of the 231 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:52,320 year in 1968. She for that got a pink playmate AMX and that is a very special car. It's going to come 232 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:58,480 into play toward the end. That was actually her favorite car. Now after playmate of the year, 233 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:05,280 she did get bigger roles. She got a part in Rosemary's Baby. That was brought by Roman Poloski. 234 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:11,440 And that's when she changed her name to Victoria Vetri. That was really a big year for her. 235 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:17,680 That time Sharon Tate, he was dating Roman Poloski and she was spending a lot of time around 236 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,080 while they were filming and she had already been a playboy and her in Victoria become 237 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:29,600 instant best friends. 1969 Sharon and Roman, they married. They become with child. They 238 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:36,160 started to nest. They stayed in California. It wasn't long after while she was pregnant that they had 239 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:41,920 a knock on the door. They kind of go and there's a strange little character standing there at the door. 240 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:48,480 Victoria said that he really creeped her out. I think she was really taking it back by probably 241 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:54,320 the way he was acting, the way he was speaking and she was scared and she was also afraid that when 242 00:27:54,320 --> 00:28:00,560 they shut the door that Charlie had heard her and it angered him, that really, really stuck with her. 243 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:06,640 And she was really scared that maybe when he left he had heard what she said. Manson at that time he 244 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:12,720 was living at Spawn Ranch with his “family". I'm going to put in quotations. They kind of lived on 245 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:21,440 this little commune ranch thing. August 8th 1969 that's going to be one week after Charlie went to 246 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:27,680 the house, the Tate house. Tate was having a little get together. Victoria, she was supposed to be 247 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:34,000 there but she wasn't feeling very good so she decided to stay home that night. Manson, he had sent his 248 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:40,880 his family that way and he actually people are going to say that he was the murder but he 249 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:46,720 actually sent the family that way. They cut the family's phone lines and then that's when the murders 250 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:54,320 happened. There was five that lost their life. You had Sharon Tate, her friend Jay Sebring, Abigail Folger, 251 00:28:54,320 --> 00:29:02,560 Stephen Parent, and Volchick Frakowski and also there was the baby too. So really I think it was 252 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:08,640 counted as six people. Yes goodness sorry yeah I forgot about the baby. How could I well I don't mean it 253 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:14,960 that way. I did leave the baby out. I'm sorry, but yes Sharon Tate by this time was eight months pregnant 254 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:23,200 that it's very very tragic and very heartbreaking. I really yeah I'm sorry. That shouldn't have been 255 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:31,600 skipped at all. Oh it's fine. Two days later Lino and Rosemary La Bianca, La Bianca, La Bianca. 256 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:38,320 yeah were  murdered in their home. They did say seven total murder victims but we're going to go 257 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:45,600 back as Dawn did correct that it's going to be eight because you did have Sharon Tate's unborn child. 258 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:52,640 Manson was caught by the family stealing cars. They arrested them in an auto theft. Susan Atkins, 259 00:29:52,640 --> 00:30:00,000 she actually confessed tto her cellmates about this and that's how they got caught. All through 260 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,840 this Victoria was horrified that she could have been one of the victims and she was scared that 261 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:11,360 either Manson or some of the others in the family were going to come back out and come after her. 262 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:17,280 Victoria also was worried that her comment had caused the murders. She lived in a constant state of 263 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:23,200 fear thinking that they were coming after. Roman, that was Sharon Tate's husband. He gave her a gun 264 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:29,600 shortly after to protect herself. She didn't work for a while because she was extremely paranoid 265 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:37,360 and when she did started working her roles become more sexy and she become more of a sex symbol. 266 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:47,120 Not what she was going for. In 1975 she stopped working. She retired but in 1984 she comes back for 267 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:54,480 Playboy for the special edition. It's Playmates Forever part two. She's very happy. She ends up in the 268 00:30:54,480 --> 00:31:01,680 top 100 centerfold of all time. It's a really big time for her. After that she continues to become 269 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:10,160 a waitress and she meets Bruce Rathgeb and she marries him. October 16th we're going to jump to 2010 270 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:16,960 and that's on a Saturday. 911 calls with shooter and progress victim down. They arrived to a 271 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:22,080 two-story apartment building. The responding officer sees a victim down in the hallway with the 272 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:27,600 gunshot wound to the upper chest. Bruce is still alive and they take him to the hospital. 273 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:34,160 Police enter they see that there's a struggle and a big uproar has taken place in this apartment. 274 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:40,640 Victoria standing there and she gives a statement that a drug dealer named Lee shot Bruce because 275 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:48,080 he owed him money. They find a little baggy of meth and a 38 caliber shell casing. They also found 276 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:54,240 Victoria's playboys tore up all around the apartment which would be kind of strange if it was 277 00:31:54,240 --> 00:32:00,160 just over. That was really weird to me. I thought that when I was watching. But Victoria gives the drug 278 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:07,280 dealers address. They go and question him. He cooperates. He gives his alibi. He's cleared. Now guess who 279 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:13,840 suspect, it's Victoria. Victoria has been married to Bruce for 20 years. She struggled with addiction. 280 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:21,600 She's had money issues and she's still all this, been terrified of Manson. 2000 that's when her 281 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:28,080 drugs she started. She become broke. She was living off of her social security and she only had 800 282 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:36,640 dollars. Sadly, she sold her pink AMX and we know how much she really really loved that car. 283 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:43,520 Bruce in fact did make it. He did not die and he is actually able to give his accounts. 284 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:50,480 Bruce moves out. They aren't able to work it out. They fight a lot. A lot of drug use and alcohol. 285 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:56,320 You know how that goes. They did go to get they did meet up. They wanted to get together and talk 286 00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:01,920 about working it out. They have a drink that night. Bruce tears up her playboys magazines and he 287 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:07,600 wrecks the apartment. So now we're going back to the scene where the officers walk in the apartments 288 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:13,840 are wrecked and the magazines are tore up. Now Bruce says that he goes to leave the department 289 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:20,480 and Victoria shoots him. She also admits that she shot him. She used the gun she said that Roman gave 290 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:27,360 her. Neighbors say that after she shot him and was walking away she was saying "no more Charlie. 291 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:34,640 No more Charlie". Victoria never got over 292 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:40,960 the murder of her friend Sharon Tane.  Bruce did live but if he would have been shot 293 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:46,800 just three inches closer to the middle of his chest he would have died.  I'm thinking that they 294 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:52,400 all kind of think that maybe Victoria thought you're going to see where I'm going with this. 295 00:33:52,400 --> 00:34:01,520 What she was shooting Charlie Manson when she shot her husband. At this time Victoria he did say 296 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:09,200 that she was paranoid and they argued all the time. She did face 25 years in prison for shooting him. 297 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:15,040 She pled guilty to second degree manslaughter and she ended up getting nine years in prison. 298 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:21,440 The judge and the court did take her mental health into consideration and the fact that she was 299 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:27,440 so paranoid and there was drug use. All of that was looked at. They of course divorced while she was 300 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:35,760 in prison and she was released in 2019 and moved to Arizona. She found her old pink car, her AMX 301 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:43,120 and now she actually appears at car shows so it was a happy ending for Victoria and for Bruce. 302 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:49,360 He was able to make it out alive. She was able to find her pink car. I guess everything's okay 303 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:55,920 now. Bless her heart. I hate that. At least there are everybody still alive and I'm sure along with 304 00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:03,760 the paranoia she is probably feeling guilty too all that time. Like I said she had extreme guilt 305 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:12,800 that her comment is what caused that murder. Drug use paranoia. Who knows what was going on after 306 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:19,520 they had that drink that night. She very well could have seen Charlie Manson standing there in front of 307 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:25,440 Bruce and it kind of does back it up with the neighbors saying no more Charlie no more Charlie is what 308 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:31,360 she was saying after she did shoot. So maybe she was talking about there's going to be no more 309 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:36,560 Charlie to haunt her. It's probably good the neighbor over her that because then it could back up 310 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:42,480 her mental health issues. Yeah. I'm assuming it didn't really go into full detail but I am assuming 311 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:47,840 that while she was away for those nine years maybe she was able to get some of the help that she 312 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:53,040 needed to cope with. That's I mean that's a lot of stress. Her best friend was murdered and 313 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,520 it was in a place that she was supposed to be that night if she hadn't been feeling well 314 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:02,800 she would have been there and she would have had the same fate because none of them made it out. 315 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:10,400 Not even Stephen Parent in the car. She was actively using drugs. I'm guessing she probably 316 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:16,160 never got therapy for right what she went through. And drugs probably was what was supposed to 317 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:24,080 help her cope. I know she'll never hear this but if you do I smelled so big and at the end for those 318 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:31,680 are you those of you that are watching my end says happy ending for Victoria, that did it 319 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:39,200 worked out in the end even though it was pretty hard to get there. And then I covered as our last one 320 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:45,520 season three episode one and season three is still airing so I think that there are only a few 321 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:52,160 episodes out from what I saw. This one season three episode one it's called last dance. This one 322 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:57,680 I think is really important and I'll tell you at the end what it is but there is a petition 323 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:04,640 that if anyone wants it would be great if you sign it I did it. I think it's important so for anyone 324 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:13,120 listening I'll give you that link at the end. This one is about Kimberly Fatterini at the time of 325 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:23,040 her death she was 30. She was born in 1986 in the Los Angeles. She earned a double major in business 326 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:32,160 administration and economics and she was a casting director for Playboy. Kim met this guy Sam Rima and 327 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:40,480 I hope I said that right. She was 21 at the time this was in 2008 and he was actually in casting for Playboy. 328 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:46,000 Within a year they had been friends and then they started dating and he's actually the one that 329 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:53,440 hired her as his assistant in casting at Playboy so that's how she got into that. She was also doing 330 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:59,520 other things you know she didn't want to pose nude but she did other things like Playboy radio 331 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:05,760 and she did other kinds of modeling where she wasn't nude. They had dated for over eight years. 332 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:13,440 At some point she had a conversation with him that she wanted to have kids and get married. He just 333 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:23,280 wasn't feeling that at the time for himself where he was in his life so they broke up. In February 2017 334 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:29,920 she moved out and she moved in with her friend. Somewhere in that same month, February 2017 she met 335 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:38,160 this guy Eli Webby who was a club promoter in Hollywood. They would hang out over the next couple of 336 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:46,880 months. They would go out and party. Her friends didn't really like this Eli guy. Sometimes when they 337 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:52,640 all went out together her friends would leave because they thought that Eli was rude and he would 338 00:38:52,640 --> 00:39:01,600 make them uncomfortable. On July 20th 2017 Kim, she went out with her friend Monica Moss and she's 339 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:08,160 another person that her friend that they interviewed said that she didn't really like and I don't think 340 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:17,840 a lot of her Kim's friends liked this Monica girl. On this night July 20 2017 they all went to a club 341 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:26,320 where Eli was the promoter. The next morning her roommate wakes up Kim's not there and it's 342 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:33,440 late. I don't know I guess that wasn't normal for her so her friend's gut was like something 343 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:41,200 here is not right. So she goes on her social just to see what pictures people have been posting 344 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:47,360 from the night before. Anything that might tell her where her friend Kim is she sees that she has 345 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:55,040 an Instagram message from Monica Moss that Instagram message says Kim isn't breathing. Her friend calls Sam 346 00:39:55,040 --> 00:40:03,040 the ex-boyfriend. Apparently Sam had the same message as well so both of them drive to Monica's 347 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:09,920 apartment and when they arrive there Monica's sitting outside crying. They knew obviously something's 348 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:19,600 terribly wrong here. Monica says that she saw Kim doing coke and drinking. Kim went to sleep on 349 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:28,400 Monica's couch. Monica went to bed woke up at 3pm found Kim and she didn't appear to be able to 350 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:36,560 breathe. At that point she had called 911 and that call was a person not breathing. She told them 351 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:42,720 that she'd been out you know partying with her friend all night. The paramedics come and they say 352 00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:51,440 that she's not alive and the death appeared to be an accidental overdose. The coroner takes 353 00:40:51,440 --> 00:41:00,400 her away and it's said that there was no sexual assaults but there was also no rape kit done. So 354 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:08,000 how do you know? How do you know? How do you know? But she was found half naked her jeans were unzipped 355 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:14,320 and on button her bra was twisted funny. I don't know I'm gonna go with they probably should have done 356 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:20,960 a rape kit and then they get the toxicology back. It shows that she has cocaine and two times the 357 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:27,760 legal limit of alcohol but she's very high levels of GHB which is the date rape drug. 358 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:36,400 Ding ding. Once they see that they re-interview Monica Moss who all the sudden has a new story. 359 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:44,800 So now what Monica Moss is saying is that oh there were guys around we weren't just at my apartment 360 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:53,920 alone. There was Eli the club promoter and there was Sean Maryman who is a football player 361 00:41:54,640 --> 00:42:01,280 for I think the chargers at the time. So now we have a completely different story involving men. 362 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:10,960 She says that Sean had ordered an uber for all of them to go to Monica's apartment. She claims now 363 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:20,160 that she passed out and when she woke up she found Kim and Sean in her bed so then she went to the 364 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:26,320 living room. So kind of opposite of what she told the police the first time. She says when she finds 365 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:33,120 Kim unresponsive Sean is still there and says you know I gotta leave the media is gonna catch on to 366 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:42,160 this and he bounces he's gone. Eli, webbie the club promoter is served a search warrant and they go 367 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:50,800 through his text messages. His test they're they're disgusting. He basically treated these girls like 368 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:58,160 pieces of meat and was texting his male friends. I have these girls over here come over now just 369 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:07,760 he basically insinuating come over and you can have these girls. It's so gross what went on in 370 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:14,160 these text messages. They ask Eli specifically about the GHB and he says oh yeah you know Sean 371 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:21,040 parties with it but I don't know if he had it on him that night. This case goes cold. They just let it 372 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:31,360 go. In 2019 so two years later after Kim has passed her parents end up filing a civil lawsuit 373 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:39,760 against Sean Eli and Monica. There's another club promoter Nick Richie who is like this is so 374 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:48,640 insane and he releases the court documents from the civil suit. It goes viral. Everyone is now seeing 375 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:58,480 these disgusting texts. At one point she was texting people saying that Sean gave her G meaning GHB 376 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:07,840 and she was asking for help. You know it's unbelievable that nothing happened. The family and friends 377 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:14,000 of Kim thinks that Sean worked with the cops to cover this stuff up because he's a famous football 378 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:21,200 player. I'm going to be on board with that and say I believe that as well and I think that he 379 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:29,920 did something. I certainly think he sexually assaulted her and I think that either I don't know if 380 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:36,320 he accidentally overdosed her with GHB. I don't know but I think he is responsible for her death. 381 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:44,080 The one good thing that's come out of this is that activists are calling for reform in nightlife 382 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:51,840 safety and you know like greater accountability in cases involving drug facilitated assaults and 383 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:59,920 things like that. There is a petition out there you can find it on change.org by the hashtag justice 384 00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:08,320 for Kim and it's basically saying reopen this case. If you're so inclined it would be great if you 385 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:15,200 could go to change.org and sign that petition. I don't know if you watch this episode and you feel 386 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:20,960 moved feel free to post about the episode with the hashtag justice for Kim so that people 387 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:27,840 will see the story and hopefully we can get this case opened again. Everybody go there. I'm 388 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:33,200 right. I got it started as soon as we get done. I already signed it. I think a week ago. 389 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:42,080 The show in general. We already talked about how much we like Holly, the Playboy murders. I 390 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:52,720 rate it. I rate it at 9.5. Really? Yeah. I like all the interviews. I think it's edited. Well, 391 00:45:52,720 --> 00:46:00,560 I love the host clearly. They try to put in footage when they can. I like it. I've watched 392 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:05,600 them all except the last couple that came out in the new season. Yeah, I'm definitely going to 393 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:11,920 give it a solid none. Definitely go watch these episodes. I've done watch the few now and I like them. 394 00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:17,280 Same. It's the perfect thing for her to be doing because I know she's sort of paranormal and 395 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:22,720 true crime tool out of people go hand in hand and I know she's into paranormal. It just seems like a 396 00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:27,120 good fit for her. It's not that I didn't enjoy watch. Nor because I've always watched 397 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:33,600 your ever since I was younger so I was happy to see her. Yeah, me too. I was so excited when I first saw 398 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:41,440 it pop up in my things to watch. I had no idea. It was coming out but there it was and now I've 399 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:50,880 watched almost all of them. Recommend. Absolutely. Yes. We are going to finish out our Playboy series. 400 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:57,760 We have a couple more where doing the horror one and the paranormal one also about Playboy. 401 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:03,200 This one's fun. I'm glad that we decided to do it. Oh yeah, there's some... I can't wait till 402 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:09,680 we do the paranormal one. That'll be fun. Watch the movie that was made. Well, we will meet back 403 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:21,280 here in a week. Thank you everyone for listening. See you soon. Bye. Bye. Bye. 404 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:26,640 Thanks for making it to the end and hanging out with us. Keep on the lookout for our next episode and stay 405 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,240 gruesome. 406 00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:40,240 [Music]