Ep44: Paranormal: Sleeping in Serial Killers Motel Room Aileen Wuornos

Join Amy & Dawn as they chat about the documentary Sleeping in a Serial Killer’s Haunted Motel Room: Aileen Wuornos, where true crime meets the paranormal 

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1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,680 [Music] 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:19,680 Hello and welcome to our podcast Talk Gruesome to me, where we talk about movies and shows that cover true crime, paranormal and horror. 3 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:27,920 I am one of your hosts, Dawn. I am currently located in Los Angeles and I think I'm pretty well versed in the horror genre, 4 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:35,360 especially those 80s classics. A quick fun fact about me? I have a very extensive crystal collection. 5 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:43,920 Hello, I'm Amy. I'm from Kentucky and my area of expertise for this podcast is paranormal. A few fun facts about me. 6 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:50,240 I'm an empath, I collect old dolls and you know, I've never flown on an airplane. Can you believe that? 7 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:55,920 Now Dawn and I are also obsessed with true crime, so here we are. Talk Gruesome to me. 8 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:57,920 [Music] 9 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:03,920 So, I got a loaner and sat in the loaner for a second and and thought, what am I going to do while I’m here. 10 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:15,920 And instantly I said it's time to do an Eileen Wuornos video, so that's what you're going to see on this video. 11 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,920 So, lets get started. 12 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:29,920 Between 1989 and 1990, Aileen Carol Wuornos killed seven men along Florida's highways using a .22 caliber pistol. 13 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,920 She was born in Troy  Michigan on February 29, 1956. 14 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:43,920 Hello, we are here with another Aileen Wuornos episode. The first thing we want to do is 15 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:49,920 disclaimer, we're going to talk about things of a sexual nature and of a murdering nature. 16 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:54,920 So if you don't want to hear that or don't want your kids to hear that, 17 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:59,920 here's your heads up. We watched. This was an interesting one. 18 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:01,920 It was most definitely. 19 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:10,920 Yeah, we watched. It's called, and it's on YouTube, it's called Sleeping In Serial Killers Haunted Motel Room, 20 00:02:10,920 --> 00:02:15,920 Aileen Wuornos documentary. So this is the paranormal episode. 21 00:02:15,920 --> 00:02:20,920 When I was looking for something paranormal, neither one of us could really find anything. 22 00:02:20,920 --> 00:02:30,920 And then I saw it was a thumbnail of a Ouija board being done in a motel room. 23 00:02:30,920 --> 00:02:35,920 I got so excited and I was like, oh my gosh, you're not going to believe what I found. 24 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:47,920 And I sent it and Amy was excited. For a few days, I was so excited to watch this because I always try to watch things the night before just so that they're fresh in my memory. 25 00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:54,920 For the last couple days, I've been excited to watch this YouTube video. It's not long. It's like 45 minutes. 26 00:02:54,920 --> 00:03:05,920 So yeah, I don't know. I mean, obviously we'll get to the ratings at the end. It was interesting. 27 00:03:05,920 --> 00:03:13,920 It was. There was, I was thinking there is absolutely no way we're going to find anything paranormal. 28 00:03:13,920 --> 00:03:17,920 So I mean to even find this, I'm glad we did. 29 00:03:17,920 --> 00:03:30,920 Right. It's just because of the screen shot that I saw of the Ouija board in the motel room, I just assumed that this was going to be heavy paranormal. 30 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:39,920 But they actually didn't have any equipment, spoiler. I don't know if anyone's going to watch this, but obviously there's going to be spoilers here. 31 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:54,920 They just did the Ouija board. And even that was a little odd like they weren't using two hand. It was almost like I don't know that they really necessarily knew the proper ways to use a Ouija board. But maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. 32 00:03:54,920 --> 00:04:07,920 Maybe that's just I don't know. Anyways, I don't want to talk shit about people's technique. But that's not the way that I know of to use a board. 33 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:26,920 Again, that doesn't mean it's right or wrong. I just they didn't have any paranormal equipment basically. So it really wasn't necessarily paranormal until the last minute, which actually was super weird. I mean, obviously I wasn't there. 34 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:39,920 I'm glad that he said that there was no one staying on either side of him because he recorded in the middle of the night. He said it had happened a few nights in a row and he finally caught it. 35 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:51,920 There were a ton of noises in the bathroom. And so when they got to that part and he started recording, I was just anticipating it just being like a knock or something. 36 00:04:51,920 --> 00:05:02,920 But it was actually a lot of different types of noises too. At one point it sounded like you know when you turn on a faucet and it squeaks, it sounded like that. 37 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:15,920 And then there were a bunch of different kinds of noises, almost like shuffling, banging like a bunch of different stuff. So the last minute was paranormal and interesting. 38 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:24,920 It definitely sounded like someone was in there maybe getting ready to go to bed or getting ready for their day or something for sure. 39 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:33,920 Yeah, I thought so too. I don't know. I just assumed that it was an actual paranormal investigation in which it wasn't. 40 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:40,920 Yeah, which I mean, of course by the thumbnail you would think that. Yeah. So it's fun though. It's fun. 41 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:49,920 So the beginning is more factual and he goes to different locations, which is actually really cool. Right. It is. 42 00:05:49,920 --> 00:06:00,920 Well, let's get into some of this. So you know when we're talking about Eileen Wuornos, we're talking about not a great upbringing or her upbringing. 43 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:15,920 It was full of things like abuse and abandonment. She had early sexual behavior. She had early sexual abuse. We always try to be factual. 44 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:35,920 So before we get into that episode any further or anything paranormal or whatever else we're going to talk about about that documentary on YouTube, let's just go over some of the facts again about her life, which we did a little in our last episode, but let's just go over them again. 45 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:48,920 Absolutely. So Eileen was born in Michigan in 1956 and she sadly was abandoned by her mother and her name was Diane Wuornos. 46 00:06:48,920 --> 00:07:02,920 And that was when she was only four years old. Can you imagine? She had no contact with her father who was Leo Pittman and he was sentenced to life in prison for actually raping a seven-year-old girl. 47 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:22,920 Now Diane, her mom, she alloped with her dad Leo when she was only 14 years old. And according to the 2012 autobiography, dear Dawn, Eileen Wuornos in her own words, they had two children during their brief marriage. 48 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:33,920 And those were a son named Keith and of course Eileen. Now Diane was 16 at the time while Leo was 19 years old. 49 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:44,920 Right. I mean her mom was so young too. Yes. I mean it's like a pattern. Exactly. And so Leo, Eileen's dad, he was a handyman. 50 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:57,920 He was also enlisted in the military and he did that when Diane became pregnant with Eileen. And then they separated before Eileen was born. 51 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:04,920 And then Eileen had said at some point in an interview that she never had any contact with her father. 52 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:18,920 Now Leo, so her dad, his parents also abandoned him when he was an infant. He was later adopted and raised by his grandmother. So kind of a similar story. 53 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:32,920 He went on to become a troubled teen. He married twice, he drank heavily. And in 1967, that was when he was sentenced to life in prison for the rape of that seven-year-old. 54 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:50,920 And then he died by suicide two years later while he was incarcerated. And then in 1960, Diane, Eileen's mom, had called their babysitter that was watching her two kids to say that she wasn't coming home. 55 00:08:50,920 --> 00:09:02,920 And then that was that. And then she apparently said in an interview at some point that she should have adopted them to strangers. 56 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:11,920 And this is a quote, 'we in our family suffered a form of child abuse. My father was verbally abusive. 57 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:24,920 My mother was verbally abusive and we were always told we were no good." Now that's coming from her mom. Even though it sounds like it could be coming from Eileen, that was a quote from her mom. 58 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:32,920 And that probably really is what should have happened. Could that have just changed everything? Who knows. 59 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:43,920 Now Keith and Eileen were raised by their maternal grandparents. She described her grandmother as really clean and a decent woman who didn't drink or even swear. 60 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:54,920 Though she said her grandfather was not nasty, she claimed that Lori Warnow's was an alcoholic who physically and sexually abused her. 61 00:09:54,920 --> 00:10:06,920 And that she and Keith had had an insistious relationship. She become pregnant when she was 13 after a friend of her grandfather's allegedly raped her as well. 62 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:14,920 Family told the newspaper that no one believed her and a police report was never filed. 63 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:24,920 And there were also rumors swirling around just like in this YouTube video that she actually had her brothers baby. 64 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:33,920 In 1972, Warnow's grandmother died a cirrhosis of the liver and her grandfather died by suicide soon after. 65 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:48,920 Also, Eileen had started living in the woods and became a sex worker for money when she was a young teen by the age of 11. She had already sadly begun engaging in sexual activity in school. 66 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,920 And that would be just for cigarettes and food. 67 00:10:52,920 --> 00:11:04,920 She always try to be factual, but we have heard some differences like the story of whose baby it was that she was pregnant with when she was a teenager. 68 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:17,920 Also, this living in the woods, we heard both that she left when her grandparents were still alive, but maybe she left after they passed away. 69 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:23,920 So there are some things that there are discrepancies and we do our best. 70 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:35,920 Right. I mean, either way she did live in the woods and she sadly did resort to those things, which is it doesn't really matter when she started doing it. 71 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:36,920 She was a child. 72 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:38,920 No child should ever have to do that. 73 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:54,920 Some of this is very similar information to the last episode and we kind of talked a little bit about early development and what that does to a person and kind of how much a person can take before they snap. 74 00:11:54,920 --> 00:12:07,920 The biggest thing I think with this story that resonates with me is all of the guys that she did sex work with that she didn't harm. 75 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:17,920 And then the guy in that previous episode where he was like, "Oh, I had all this money and all this stuff and she didn't do anything to me." 76 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:28,920 I feel like that's something to me that probably stands out the most is there were a lot of guys that she didn't do anything to. 77 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:29,920 We'll think of it this way. 78 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:38,920 If their encounters and engagement hadn't been in that kind of light, how many other men do you think would have came forward? 79 00:12:38,920 --> 00:13:00,920 And said no, I've had transactions with her. It was fine. I'm still here. Nothing happened. That's a possibility to look at as well because let's be honest, most men aren't wanting to admit that because more than likely they're married, have girlfriends or some kind of life for that's not acceptable to be a part of it. 80 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:06,920 Yeah, so you can't expect that you're going to get a bunch of guys to come forward and say she didn't do this. 81 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:08,920 No, I'm surprised the one did. 82 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,920 Agree. Because it's taboo. 83 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,920 Just not something that a lot of people want to admit. 84 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:24,920 Okay, this documentary. I will say this person on YouTube has a lot of followers and I have not watched any of their other videos. 85 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:25,920 No. 86 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:34,920 So, you know, I'm not familiar with their style. I'm not familiar with their script writing or like any other other content. 87 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:40,920 I don't even know if he does other true crime content. I really don't know anything about him other than he has a lot of followers. 88 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:49,920 I think diving into this without watching anything else maybe taints my view a little bit. 89 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,920 That's a little bit unfair too. 90 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:59,920 Yeah, totally. Listen, he went to locations. That was great. 91 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:06,920 I thought it was so weird because at the last resort, which is where they picked her up, the police. 92 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:13,920 They have like all these weird trailers in the back and they said that she would sleep there in the coffin. 93 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:21,920 And they were in the coffin. There were like abandoned coffins in the back and she would sleep in one of those sometimes. 94 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:29,920 They have a whole like monument to her there, which I'm not sure how you feel about it. I don't... 95 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:34,920 I couldn't gauge if it was exploitation or... 96 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,920 It's supportive. Yeah. I don't know. Still. 97 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:45,920 I agree with you. But yeah, I mean, if it was out of love and support because that's a place that she frequented, then I think that's great. 98 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:56,920 But I will say, like you said, the places that we were taken and the things we did get to see, I do now want to go stay in room number seven. 99 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:58,920 Which used to be eight. 100 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,920 I know. So they do explain that as well. 101 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:10,920 Me too. That was the only thing I could think of when he initially got to the motel, which has changed names. 102 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:16,920 I think it's called Scoot Now, Scoot In, maybe. It has changed. So... 103 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:25,920 And it changed room numbers as well, like Amy just said. But that was immediately. I'm like, "Oh, I want to go stay there." 104 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:32,920 I couldn't find any information on how much it is to book without calling them and I didn't call them. But believe me, I did look into it. 105 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:34,920 Oh, they don't have a website. 106 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:36,920 You got to call? 107 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:46,920 That's funny. The reason why they lost the room when she was there and was arrested, she was in room eight, is because since the husband and wife have moved in, 108 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:55,920 take it over and cleaned it up. Which, yeah, you still have the same tub and some of the furniture that was there when she was there. 109 00:15:55,920 --> 00:16:01,920 But the place is cleaner. It looks nice. They said it was pretty rundown then. 110 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:11,920 They've done a pretty good job with it, but they took over the first two rooms, which kind of pushed it down a little bit and changed that room to be now room seven. 111 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,920 And I don't blame them for taking over the first two because they live there now. 112 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:22,920 You know, the one thing that I really was impressed with was the guy who did the documentary, his name is Dan. 113 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:35,920 When he went into the bathroom, you could tell that he really felt and appreciated the fact that everything in the bathroom was still the same. 114 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:46,920 And he was like touching all the handles and just taking it all in and like realizing that that's where Eileen Wuornos lived. 115 00:16:46,920 --> 00:17:02,920 And I believe that's where she lived with Tyria Moore. He was, you could tell, I wouldn't say overwhelmed, but you could tell he was definitely connecting with the fact that he was in the place that she stayed and some of the furniture was the same. 116 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:12,920 Yes, Dawn, Dawn, Dan, he actually acted like we would have when we walk into a location like that. 117 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:25,920 Like just the appreciation that, oh, wow, all this is still the same and I can still even in a sense put yourself in that situation when she was arrested because it's all still the way it is. 118 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:30,920 And that's perfect for what we would like to do. We would do a real investigation. 119 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:47,920 I know I was thinking in my head while he was saying all these things and just being connecting with the bathroom, I was thinking in my head, I was thinking I wonder if she went there after these seven murders and took a shower in that tub. 120 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:57,920 I felt that as well too. That since it was the same time every night, I'm assuming a lot of her dealings were done at night and she was finishing up and coming home. 121 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:03,920 So could it or not necessarily night, but in the afternoon then she'd finish up at night and come on home. 122 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:20,920 Could that be just residual from her coming home every night and all of the heaviness that she would pack in that door with her from what had happened or not even if anything had happened just what she had had to do that night to survive. 123 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:40,920 That's a lot to carry in one location, one little small bedroom and bathroom area. It's a lot and for that to still have everything or not everything, but almost everything that she still was using even probably the shower head that shower head look like it was old. 124 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,920 I wouldn't say it was a newer one would you? 125 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:55,920 No, I'm sure that was the same one well for that hotel I would definitely say just change the rest of them except that one right leave that whole room as it is right. 126 00:18:55,920 --> 00:19:03,920 Well, yeah, he said I think he said the bed frame is still the same to yeah and that little wicker the dresser the same. 127 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:30,920 Yeah, the mirror I think he said is light fixers. Yes, just going off of what you just said I mean even if even if we take the murders out just the energy of her life in general is so intense and then she shared that room with Tyria which supposedly was the best time of her life and and the best relationship that she had. 128 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:44,920 So there's a huge mix of emotions that live in that room I'm sure a lot of pain a lot of sadness a lot of tears a lot of fear but I'm going to guarantee a lot of love too. 129 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:49,920 So all of that is soaked into all of those items that are still in there. Yeah. 130 00:19:49,920 --> 00:20:01,920 And the owner seemed to so he did say that when his wife was like hey we're buying this motel there was this serial killer that lived here. 131 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:13,920 He didn't really know the story or anything like that he obviously does now but he seemed really into the whole session that they did with the Ouija board. 132 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:25,920 He was actually in the room participating and he was asking questions so listen he might I just got the feeling that they will leave that room alone as is. 133 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,920 And I mean you you've already done it for this long. Well why not. 134 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:45,920 If you need to replace something replace it but the way it is now yeah just leave it because you got people like Dawn and I that would not mind to come and stay a bit. 135 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:56,920 I know now I want to dig farther because I find it impossible that no paranormal team has stayed in that room before. 136 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:05,920 Maybe they haven't thought about it. I don't know but now I want to dig and see if I can find a genuine investigation. 137 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:13,920 Maybe I mean yeah maybe we just didn't or you didn't dig enough. I don't maybe they didn't think about it I don't know. 138 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:19,920 I don't know either and I don't know when this was filmed so maybe it was recent. 139 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:26,920 We got to either us or get somebody in that room I need to know. 140 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:42,920 That does bring up I have one that's probably been enough time that we can probably go wouldn't serial killer but it's a pretty big case that everybody knows of so we're probably going to hit it up in Indiana sometime this year. 141 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,920 It's a motel. About like that. 142 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:54,920 Yes. Nobody died in there anything but they too were arrested outside after I'll update you but I'm not going to do it on here just yet. 143 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,920 You're all going to have to hang with us just wait and see. 144 00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:59,920 Follow The Paranormal Couple on Facebook. 145 00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:01,920 Come hang with us. 146 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:06,920 I find it hard to believe no one's investigated. I'm going to dig. I don't know. 147 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,920 I think it's worth a shot. 148 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,920 It's too far. Florida so far. 149 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:23,920 I mean and also you know that I this is one that I did request us to so I am not opposed to watching another one if you find it and just doing another episode. 150 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,920 Oh yeah we could do it. 151 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:26,920 Sounds good to me. 152 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:27,920 Just to follow up. 153 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:28,920 Yeah. 154 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:29,920 Because I mean I'm going to look. 155 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:39,920 This one wasn't what we were expecting but that's okay because I do appreciate the fact that we were taking taken to some of the places she would go. 156 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:49,920 Some of the places that you normally don't get to see or if you even were in that town might even not know where they are. 157 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,920 So I did appreciate that for sure. 158 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:57,920 Probably my favorite thing about the whole documentary was seeing the room. 159 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,920 I'm in love with that bathroom in the yellow. 160 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,920 Please don't change that. 161 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,920 That bathroom is amazing. 162 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:05,920 I love the yellow. 163 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:10,920 I'm going to get me a pink bathroom one day you watch that with old pink towel. 164 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:11,920 I'm starting to love though. 165 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:12,920 Yeah. 166 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,920 Like at The Knight House I got The Knight House shirt on. 167 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,920 I'm getting off topic so let me get back on. 168 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,920 I love old bathrooms. 169 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,920 Me too. 170 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:25,920 If you want to watch this documentary watch it. 171 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:26,920 Go ahead. 172 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:36,920 Yeah it gets a little odd in the middle not going to lie like the Ouija board part just was a little off for me. 173 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:43,920 I don't know if it's because there wasn't equipment because I thought it was going to be a paranormal investigation. 174 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:44,920 Right. 175 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:52,920 Or if it was just the owner laying across the bed while he was doing the Ouija board it was a little odd. 176 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,920 Yeah. 177 00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:01,920 There was a drag queen there and Amy and I were trying to figure out if that was the owner's wife but I'm not. 178 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:02,920 I don't know. 179 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:07,920 It might be because I know that he does live on the property, there was well there was another lady there as well. 180 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,920 Could have been either or his wife but I'm not sure. 181 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,920 I don't remember them saying who either of them are do you? 182 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:14,920 No. 183 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,920 That's why I'm not sure if it was his wife or not. 184 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,920 We do know who the owner was though. 185 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:28,920 Yeah I just thought it would have been nice since the wife was the one who found that location to purchase and encouraged the husband. 186 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:45,920 It would have been nice to know if that was her and kind of interview her about how she found it and if she knew or if she liked the motel and then found out about the serial killer tie and like I'm just curious about that. 187 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:53,920 Well maybe this is a possibility too maybe she doesn't want anything to do with the filming and maybe those are just his friends. 188 00:24:53,920 --> 00:25:02,920 I mean own an a motel imagine you're gonna have a lot of different friends anyway so maybe they are either maybe they just wanted to be in the video. 189 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:11,920 Yeah but I just think then they why was couldn't you intro all of them like I have no idea who those people are. 190 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:12,920 Oh great. 191 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:13,920 Yeah. 192 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:14,920 That's all. 193 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:15,920 And it's just who was the wife. 194 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:16,920 Yeah. 195 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:21,920 Because I would love to know more about when she did find it for real. 196 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:40,920 But so the the tracking kind of ran the again I don't want to call it an investigation just kind of ran the night with the Ouija board had a candle lit that I was curious what your experience are you a witch? 197 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:49,920 Like you know what I mean I just kind of would a rather I just wanted introductions there was another girl there and another guy there and I'm like who are you people. 198 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:50,920 Right right. 199 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,920 No hate toward anybody just wonder who they were. 200 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:54,920 Yeah. 201 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,920 And I mean maybe they didn't know. 202 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:01,920 But if you're doing a documentary wouldn't you want to ask? 203 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:17,920 Well I mean also that town seems pretty fun and outgoing so I don't think that it would be out of question for someone just to kind of tag along real quick with that you realize if that makes sense. 204 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:28,920 Amy called it fun and outgoing but at one point I was watching and I thought to myself this is like children of the corn. 205 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:33,920 These people are different they're fun and outgoing. 206 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,920 Okay we'll go with that. 207 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,920 What do you want me to say? 208 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,920 That's what we'll go with. 209 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,920 But you get what I'm saying. 210 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:50,920 It wouldn't be shocking if one of them just tagged along and you had no idea till it was too late you know. 211 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,920 So I'm giving all the benefits of doubt out here. 212 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,920 It's a good point. 213 00:26:58,920 --> 00:26:59,920 I don't know. 214 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:00,920 I don't know. 215 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:01,920 It was. 216 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:02,920 Yeah. 217 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:03,920 It was interesting. 218 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,920 We got like five minutes left on this Zoom for YouTube. 219 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:08,920 Go watch it. 220 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:09,920 Go watch it. 221 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,920 And the places he goes because it does. 222 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:22,920 He does or is able to take you to some locations that she did frequent and you kind of get a little bit of better understanding of what kind of environment she was in as well. 223 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:27,920 Also you can get a little bit of the history of her in the get-go. 224 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,920 I mean we're never. 225 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:34,920 I just said that and then I realized how important that was. 226 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:41,920 That you can watch that and kind of get an idea of the kind of environment that she was in as well. 227 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:42,920 I think that makes it. 228 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,920 And I'm gonna say it's a bad place. 229 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:59,920 You can tell that you have people sleeping in coffins and maybe it's just not the safe and quiet places where some of us live. 230 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:01,920 That's all I'm saying. 231 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,920 I'm not talking bad about them at all so I don't want to invite a think that. 232 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:06,920 No. 233 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,920 I don't know that we'll never tell you not to watch something. 234 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:16,920 Everyone should watch everything just to like get their own opinion you know. 235 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:17,920 Yeah. 236 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:26,920 I mean I think just for those it's worth watching but don't watch it expecting to get a paranormal investigation. 237 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:27,920 Exactly. 238 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,920 Which is what we were faced with. 239 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,920 We were bamboozled. 240 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,920 It's that thumbnail with the Ouija board. 241 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:35,920 Yeah. 242 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:36,920 But it's okay. It's fine. 243 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:51,920 I'm kind of I think that it is important that we kind of did it though because maybe a documentary or somebody else just coming up wouldn't have like I said I'm still digging on the went to those places. 244 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,920 So it's fine. 245 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:55,920 Okay. 246 00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:00,920 So let's do regular rating, ADHD rating. 247 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,920 I think I went first last time so you can go. 248 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,920 My ADHD rating is not very high. 249 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:12,920 I text on probably after the Ouija board session if I can speak right. 250 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,920 And I was already looking at my phone playing a game talking to Shannon. 251 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:24,920 So I'm probably going to give it a five because there was times when I could and there was times when there was just no possible way that I could get at that point. 252 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,920 Sit down to watch it. 253 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,920 Now for my overall rating. 254 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,920 I'm going to go. 255 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:44,920 I'll give it a seven because I did like the extra views into parts of her life that I might not known had existed like the places. 256 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,920 Mine is sort of opposite. 257 00:29:46,920 --> 00:30:01,920 So just seeing the weirdness of the whole episode mixed with how cool I thought it was to have this motel room with all of this original stuff in it. 258 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:08,920 Mixed with the different locations that might interest in that part of it. 259 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:14,920 I actually paid attention so my ADHD rating is seven. 260 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,920 But my overall rating is probably going to be a five. 261 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,920 See, I just really like to go into the places. 262 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,920 That's what saved it for me. 263 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:32,920 No, I know. And it's mostly based off of I would have liked a little more information. 264 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:38,920 I mean, listen, there was information included that I didn't find in Internet research. 265 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,920 So there was information, but that's why I'm giving it a five. 266 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,920 I would have just liked more. 267 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:52,920 Like I said, for instance, the information on the people doing that and yeah. 268 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,920 I thought the way the title is. 269 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,920 It just made me think that there was going to be a paranormal investigation. 270 00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:01,920 That's all a little bit misleading. 271 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,920 I get you. I understand, but I know we're getting close aren't we? 272 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,920 Yep, we have a minute and 30 seconds. 273 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:19,920 So next up in two weeks we'll meet back here for a mini-sode, which oh, is actually going to be interesting. 274 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,920 I don't know. We can tell people that's fine. 275 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,920 We're just going to do some updates on a few of our past episodes. 276 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:34,920 Yep, it'll be interesting. Definitely get into this one, especially if you want to see where some of the cases that we've covered what they're doing now. 277 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:40,920 Yeah, we're going to talk to Christina Page tonight, who was involved with the Return to Nature. 278 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,920 If you know all home episodes that we did, the two parts in Colorado. 279 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:51,920 So you definitely want that update. There's actually been some movement and then a couple of the other episodes we did also. 280 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,920 Stay tuned, guys. This one will be a good one. 281 00:31:54,920 --> 00:32:00,920 Yeah. Thanks for listening and yeah, meet back here in two weeks. Bye. 282 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:01,920 Bye. 283 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:09,920 Thanks for making it to the end and hanging out with us. 284 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,920 Keep on the lookout for our next episode and stay gruesome. 285 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,920 [Music]