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Kristy McConnell: Off the Beaten Path
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In this episode of Airdrie Inside, Chris Glass sits down with Kristy McConnell, Registered Psychologist and founder of Off the Beaten Path Psychology & Wellness. Kristy isn't just offering counseling; she is the architect of a movement that takes therapy out from under the fluorescent lights and into the expansive nature of Airdrie. From her roots in special education to pioneering movement-based EMDR, Kristy is moving the needle on how we reprocess trauma and build a healthier city.
"It's like a paper shredder and your brain is trying to process these pieces of paper. But sometimes things that happen to us become like the piece of construction paper where it just jams... and you need a bigger paper shredder." — Kristy McConnell
Connect with Off the Beaten Path: https://www.obpwellness.com/
It's like a paper shredder, and your brain is trying to process these pieces of paper, but sometimes things that happen to us become like the piece of construction paper with the staple in it, and you're trying to pull it through, and you're like, what is going on?
SPEAKER_00Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of Airdry Inside. I am your host, Chris Glass. I am here at Micro Acres. Again, they have opened up their space to allow us to continue this podcast. Please come out and support them if you ever get a chance to tour this facility. It's absolutely amazing. I am here with Christy McConnell from Off the Beaten Path. Uh, Christy, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER_01Thanks for having me. It feels special and unique, especially here.
SPEAKER_00Doesn't it smell great?
SPEAKER_01It smells so good, yes.
SPEAKER_00And I find every time I host a show here, my skin gets all dewy and you know, I really feel hydrated. It's a very nice climate.
SPEAKER_01Awesome. I hope that happens for me too.
SPEAKER_00So, Christy, I've been trying to book you on the show for a bit. Um, and I finally got around to uh doing the work on my end to get you to come out. Uh why don't you tell me a little bit about yourself and your connection to the city?
SPEAKER_01Sure. Uh so yeah, I'm Christy McConnell. I'm a registered psychologist. Um, I came to Airdrie about 12-ish years ago. Uh, I moved here with our family. Um and when I got here, I actually started working as a school psychologist for Rocky V Schools and worked there for about a decade.
SPEAKER_02Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_01Um, as a psychologist, going around to all the schools in Airdrie and supporting um mental health and assessment for folks in schools. And eventually I started to run uh after having my children and did a few marathons. And um long story short, maybe, the the way off the beaten path came to fruition was I was on a marathon training run and I had a running coach because nobody I think can run a marathon without support. Um, and I was thinking about how it's been so good running for my mental health, but paying for a coach is expensive. And wouldn't it be nice to claim it on my benefit somehow? So that kind of like was the genesis of the idea of like mental health running, combining it, and it just kind of went from there. Um, so that I started it in 2017, just kind of on the side. And fast forward to today, um, I have nine other psychologists that work with me. Um, and we do provide support for folks both in office and outdoors, also in Cochrane and Calgary. And yeah, and I love Airdrie. Uh raise my three kids here, they're teenagers now, um, and my partner is here as well, obviously. And we just love this little city. It's it's our home for sure.
SPEAKER_00So it's not a little city anymore. We're almost 95,000 people.
SPEAKER_01That's true. It feels little though. It does though. You get to know folks, you make connections, everyone's friendly. So yeah.
SPEAKER_00One of the things we've really discovered doing this show is how small this big city is, like and how interwoven and how connected people are to each other. So it's been been a great experience kind of un unraveling that and telling the stories.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah. I heard about you through the football kind of community and everything you did for the turf field. The turf field, yeah. Yes. So uh yeah, so I know you've been super supportive. Obviously, now you have a new special role. Absolutely, yes. Congratulations. Thank you. Yeah. Oh yeah, I bet.
SPEAKER_00It's uh we were joking off camera about how many phones we have, and I think I'm up to three now. So uh that's great. But uh yeah, the the turf field project was uh to this day, I'm I still can't believe that there's turf at at Edgar. It's still uh there's a photo that picked up of Malia and I standing by the fence with all the construction from a couple years ago, and and we're what year three into that field now. Yeah, and just to see how it's become such a gathering space, and it's been pretty neat. So amazing. Thank you for mentioning that. That's makes me smile here to earn whatever.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00So uh when you started what you said 2017. So what approach was different? So you were talking about running and and walking um and how that connects to mental health. Talk about how your approach is a little bit different than basis than others where you sign up for psychology and you go to an office. I I don't know, do we still sit on couches and do the old we do all kinds of things now in therapy?
SPEAKER_01There's dance therapy, there's art therapy, there's any kind of you know, creative way it feels like we're figuring it out as we go. Um, but in terms of what Off the Beaten Path does, is um we did combine movement with therapy. So the nervous system, we're all unique, right? We all have ways of storing information, material, past experiences, present experiences in different ways. And um, being outside in nature for some folks, it can be healing by itself, right? Like you mentioned, like my dewy face now and the smells and all the sensory experience of being outside. It's also expansive, right? So if somebody feels kind of like closed in and maybe doesn't like those small spaces, um, it can be really helpful. So, um, so that unique approach is taking it outside and and going for walks with clients or runs. Um, I don't have many runners these days. It's a more um a few folks once in a while, but it's thankfully not all the time because I don't know if I'd be able to keep up anymore.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, if you have five appointments a day and the last person wants to go for uh yeah, that would be that'd be difficult.
SPEAKER_01My my cardiovascular system should be uh but yes, it's uh it's great. Like Nose Creek obviously is a great walking system path, lots of like easy kind of loops there where you can loop around, come back, try do an extra long loop, whatever is needed.
SPEAKER_00Um and at the same time going through kind of a more traditional uh therapy approach, correct?
SPEAKER_01Can be, yeah. So uh in terms of like the how the outdoor supports the therapeutic relationship is is there's lots of um natural metaphors, right? When you're outside. Things like um, if I pick up two rocks, they're the same but very different, which can also be a metaphor for how we experience similar life events, and one can stay stuck as like I failed maybe, or I didn't, um I should have done something different. And another another very similar experience can be um okay, or I feel good about how I handled things. And so we can look at those rocks and identify that they're both beautiful in their own way and utilize that in the therapeutic process, uh, which might be different than in an office space. Um, that nervous system, too, the way we orient to outdoors, the fight, flight, freeze, that that system that's always kind of operating under the surface.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, we know that being out in nature kind of helps dampen, uh dewy dampen the system a little bit. Uh so we're starting from a different baseline of arousal for a lot of folks, right? So if somebody's experienced maybe trauma in their backgrounds or things like that, we sometimes will observe like a keyed up kind of system. And being outside of nature helps to kind of bring that baseline down. So you're starting at a different point, which can be really helpful. Um, folks, maybe that have like neurodivergence, uh ADHD, or if they've uh have PTSD or other different letters combinations that come together, um, that can be helpful. They don't have to look like you and I are straight across at each other. Yeah. We can kind of walk in parallel and um it helps the system move the material a little differently.
SPEAKER_00So now how how accepted is this approach? Like uh when I like the reason why I thought this was a cool story to tell is because it made sense to me putting it together, right? Like I've always found like when you're you're in an office, even not just for therapy, but when you get called into the principal's office or your boss's office, it doesn't feel relaxing. It that the act of that feels tense.
SPEAKER_01Yes, yes, you know, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um so this just makes sense to me. So, how many other people are doing this? Is this uh a common practice yet or is this uh emerging?
SPEAKER_01It's definitely more common, I would say. When I started in 2017, I was looking online everywhere. I found two folks. One, her name was Seped Dia. Um I consulted with her. She operated in Santa Monica, California. I'm like, must be nice for you.
SPEAKER_00Much better.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Um, not our disceptor. Yeah, exactly. And then there was another fellow uh in uh the United Kingdom, uh Wallen, I think was his last name. But I consulted with both of them, and um, you know, they obviously found it was super helpful, but I couldn't find anyone else at the time that kind of used it as their core offering, I suppose.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, there was a psychiatrist who had written a book about um be like taking folks that were in like an inpatient program out for walks and noticing the benefit. So there was kind of these echoes around about it, but now I would say I I hear about it all the time. Um there's you know a few practices in Calgary. There's a really nice fellow out in Edmonton that um him and I have connected, Corey McDonald, and he's focused on the outdoor therapeutic space as well. So I definitely think it's it's out there now.
SPEAKER_00So well, like I said, it just makes so much more sense. Uh I feel more relaxed when I'm going for a walk and more at ease. You know, I don't feel that way when I'm running, but I'm asthmatic, so you know, it's you know, it's a little bit harder. Um and the other uh part of your practice that I I wanted to talk about, and uh I've got to work really hard to get this right, EMDR, not EDMR, which is just playing loud dance music, aren't you? Uh talk to me about that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, absolutely. So um I I love doing the outdoors approach, and then I started to learn about EMDR. Um, and I was like, oh my gosh, I know, right? I hope I do. That'd be really bad. Um, but I started to learn about it um right before, well, it was maybe a year before the pandemic, and it was perfect timing, thankfully. Um, so EMDR stands for eye movement, desensitization and reprocessing. Um, the person who developed it is the late Francine Shapiro. So she was a neuroscientist and psychologist that looked at actually the way she discovered it in the 80s was she was out for a walk in the park. So already we have a fit, right? Right. She was by herself. Um she was thinking about a really um upsetting event for her, and she started to move her eyes back and forth uh on the path as she walked. And she noticed that the materials seemed to just kind of move through her more easily. Um, I'm putting words into her mouth. I don't know how she would have said it, but that's how it was described to us in our training. And so she actually took it and run with it, ran with it. She was a researcher. Pardon the pun, I didn't mean for that, but that's okay. Um she uh started using it with folks that were coming back from war and tried it out. What happens when they move their eyes back and forth um as they're talking through distressing material? And it it took, and now it's one of the most evidence-based treatments out there. It's starting to get up there with like cognitive behavioral therapy, which a lot of folks um come to us asking for as well. Um, and so what happens is um the mechanism that it works from is that you go through a really distressing event, um, maybe um uh motor vehicle uh collision, and you have kind of some emotions, some body sensations, some thoughts that go with it, right? Yeah, and sometimes that can get stuck in the system. So maybe there's a thought of um I'm not gonna get through this, or I'm not safe. And that stays stuck in that system so that when you come up to that same traffic light, the whole kind of body tenses up, feels kind of like you're right back in it, right? And so the idea, the mechanism is that then you start to move, do the eye movements back and forth. We also use different stimulation, it could be eye movements, it could be tapping, um, or we have these little um buzzers, I call them buzzers, but they just vibrate left-right in your hands, kind of like our phones. Yeah, okay. Um and that dual attention stimuli just distracts a little bit. It's also a little soothing, uh, and it helps move through the material to an adaptive belief, like I made it through, or I survived, or I'm strong. Um, and so that's kind of the way it works. Um walking outdoors is naturally bilateral. So as we go left, right, left, right, we're we're kind of doing EMDR in a in a way that we don't even know, right? So um, so that's when I kind of was like, oh, maybe we could put this together. We still, of course, do it in office. We sometimes do it outside, sometimes not, but um that's what EMDR is, and that's how we also link it in our practice.
SPEAKER_00So wow, that's uh it's amazing how the mind works and how uh how processing uh emotions and processing feelings can be affected by uh outside stimulus like that. That's that's such uh a different way of looking at it as opposed to just hey, I'm gonna talk about it and go through it and go through there. Uh one question I have for you, um as somebody, yeah, I mean, you've talked to probably hundreds of patients and and not patients, but clients and and people going through whatever they're going through. Uh, have you seen more uh acceptance of uh getting therapy and getting help and and going through it, or do you still see that um kind of blockage there?
SPEAKER_01I definitely sense a shift.
SPEAKER_00Um I I mean after the pandemic, I think a lot of people are like, okay, this is a breaking point for society when it comes to mental health.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_00Sorry, I cut you off there.
SPEAKER_01No, that's okay. That's okay. Um, I definitely, yeah, I think there was a shift. I think the pandemic, um, a good bad thing that maybe came from it is that um folks are more open to uh therapy. We just need the supports around therapy to come alongside that. Um, but I what I love about some of the folks I work with, clients I work with, that maybe they've been in a profession that's historically been more stigmatized around uh seeking help. Uh, they're talking to their buddies about it. They're kind of um in those unique opportunities, like, you know, we were talking about how Erdronians are all pretty friendly. Maybe we have different belief systems or different experiences we've come from, but I do sense that a lot of folks want to help each other whatever way they can. And so they might mention, like, oh, I saw this guy at OBP, or um, you know, my kid goes to, you know, whoever, and uh they're just there's just an opening to it that I don't think used to be there in the same way. Um, it's really lovely. It's really lovely to see. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I think it's it's so funny that the brain gets treated so differently than other other body parts, right? Like if you're a high performance athlete, you would have no problem going to see a nutritionist, you'd have no problem going to see uh uh physiotherapy when you hurt yourself, you go see uh somebody who's gonna coach you when it comes to running or weightlifting. And then uh, you know, the sports psychologist side kind of gets dropped a little bit. And I've seen a lot of athletes in my time who wouldn't consider therapy in the past, who have adapted sports therapy, uh sports psychology as part of their core way of approaching it. And I I wish that was more common in the rest of the world, right? If you if you hurt your arm, you go see a doctor, you get a splint, you go for physiotherapy, you do all the work to get it done. If something hurts in here or something hurts in here, people don't seek the same help. And I don't, I don't see it, I don't get it.
SPEAKER_01One of the mentors I had early on, he talked about how the body was just built to carry the brain around. And now I don't really resonate with that because I really come from the belief of like our bodies do a ton of work in terms of like processing what's up here. But I also think that that is like like you're talking about the sports psychology. I even find sometimes folks, it's like a scaffold where they're like, oh, I'm not open to therapy. Okay, I'll do sports therapy, or I'll do like, I'll do therapy for that one incident that happened at work.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01But once you start, you also realize it's beneficial, you know. So maybe you're now willing to talk about your family of origin a little bit and and how that might have influenced the way you're experiencing this job loss, or you know, um getting cut from a team or something like that. So um it's interesting how even that, you know, starting small and then working your way uh in a different direction can be helpful.
SPEAKER_00I I think we're really watching a generation um kind of dealing with that systemic trauma that's been going on in a way that previous generations haven't. You know, I I think of my experience as a parent, and I have two of the greatest parents you could possibly imagine. We were so lucky that uh the the generational trauma ended before their time or or ended with them, and they didn't pass it on to our generation, but I see a lot of people going through, you know, I now I'm a parent, now I have kids, and I didn't necessarily have the skills to do that taught to me.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_00You know, so we see a whole generation of people going, okay, I want to be better than that, and I want to do that. So uh I think it's an interesting time. And I I wonder where this is gonna end up for our children, you know?
SPEAKER_01I see that a lot. Like I see the folks that come and they're like, I don't know what to do, but I know I don't want to do it the way I experienced growing up, or or um, or even honestly, folks that it's it's like you said, it's it's not these significant acts of commission like uh um I was neglected or something like that. But it's like those little meta messages of of like, um, make sure you get straight A's or um like or I'm proud of you when you get the straight A's, right? But what happens to the rest of it kind of thing. So um, and sometimes it gets stuck, right? And you don't know what it's gonna be. Like I mentioned the accident or a car accident before, and lots of people go through those and they don't carry around a belief that is uh unhelpful.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, but some folks do, and and you don't know how your system's gonna uh take it in. Um, I often talk about in EMDR, it's like a paper shredder, and your brain is trying to process these pieces of paper, but sometimes things that happen to us become like the piece of construction paper with a staple in it, and you're trying to pull it through and you're like, what is going on? And we need a bigger paper shredder, an industrial one, right? So uh and then we can pull it through.
SPEAKER_00So so this is a loaded question. Uh I'm interested in how you can answer it. Who needs therapy?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that is a good question, and I get that a lot. And people expect me to say everyone, right? Or they maybe do. Um, and it really does depend, right? It depends on um your readiness, right? And and it's not to say that some people are not ready, but some people not be may not be um totally open yet. So they might need to come for a session, get a sense of the therapist, and go, uh, not yet. And some people might not realize that maybe things they're doing are um impacting others around them, but their family is aware of it, and they need to be the one that kind of figures away, something's going on here, and I need, I want to change it. Um so, in terms of who needs therapy, I think it can be someone that is uh, like I said, just experiencing a stuckness where they're they need someone to help see it from a different perspective or be open to what um might be underneath that we're not always aware of. Um and and I don't think it's like um, oh, you've been through a big event, you must need therapy. You know, I think there was a time where and and I heard it in in, you know, my kids or folks that I worked with that were in a different, I want to say population. I don't know what they were watching. I don't know what it is, but they'd be like, oh, I'm gonna get PTSD from that, right? And and that's that's not always true. So um yeah so I don't know if that helped answer your question very much, but I think it really does depend, which is also a very psychologist answer to a question. Yes. Yes. You didn't give me a straight definitive answer on steps to take which I like. Yes, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Uh what I was trying to get at though, and I think you did a good job of uh of talking about it is uh it's not necessarily somebody who's been through a traumatic event or had a traumatic childhood. It can be for people who feel stuck for people who feel disconnected don't be closed minded to it is what I'm getting at.
SPEAKER_01Right. Yeah absolutely and and I think as therapists we have to also be open to that right of um where folks might be it might be time to try a different approach or it might be time to um take a break and and then come back later on right um sometimes I'll say to clients like let's let's wait for a while and then if you need a top up come back for a top up kind of thing. Yeah. So yeah I think that's also the great thing about therapy is it is something that you can come back to and it's um I like to think of it as like your good old buddy from high school where it's like you just pick up where you left off. Right. But it is obviously different from a friend in that I might uh poke in different areas that haven't been poked at before.
SPEAKER_00Right. It's not just a catch up.
SPEAKER_01It's not just a catch up.
SPEAKER_00Yeah we're we're looking under the hood a little bit yeah so we've talked about a lot of positive changes right and and I believe the openness to therapy uh more people being accepting of it more people talking about hey I'm in therapy my therapist says this that kind of thing and I'm seeing some positives uh what needs to change whether it's a government approach whether it's uh a societal approach uh where do you think we are in in the space and where do we think we can improve?
SPEAKER_01I think that's the loaded question isn't it absolutely um I mean therapy is not super accessible to everyone in terms of um it's not part of Alberta health it's not part of like when you go to a doctor um you don't always get you know to pick a therapist after that and see them as much as you need um there are options out there but um they're often shortened duration uh or frequency and you might wait a while to get in or whatever that looks like so um that obviously limits uh things for people and that's that's difficult and challenging um and I'm really glad folks like you are in government that can hopefully help answer those questions. For that yes and uh and I suppose municipal provincial where we go with that is a whole nother discussion. But um I do think that um the great thing about the systems and where people are at is that there is more awareness of how important mental health is and mental wellness that I think I think there's undercurrents now, right? Of like you can't just treat uh the wound and not also look at the fact that they're you know really struggling to get through a day because their depression is so bad. So we kind of have to look at the whole person and uh how we do that is maybe some things there's definitely room for improvement as a society there and and our systems but um I was in civil service for a long time as an educator um and I am so grateful that now I'm so grateful for that experience but I'm also very grateful for the folks that come to my office now. They're ready to do the work they they show up they want to make changes in their life and yeah I'm very blessed and fortunate to go through that um with them. Again, I know I didn't answer your question at all, but I'm hoping someone else out there fixes it all.
SPEAKER_00It's part of part of the the discussion and conversation I I think conversations like this are important for people to see and hear and to provoke thought we had Kim Titus on from the Thumbs Up Foundation and it was a very thought provoking exercise for me because thinking of the cost that we pay for not supporting therapy and not supporting mental health putting a price tag is one, but putting the actual people cost is is another and and I think if we took the approach that we take with uh like workers comp is all about you know how can we prevent this so we don't have to pay this amount of money in the future but we don't take the mental health side the same way.
SPEAKER_01Right. Uh and I I couldn't imagine what that cost is like if you put a dollar figure on lost productivity uh police resources uh ambulatory resources prison resources on not dealing with mental therapy and mental health you know what that could be so just and I I do like I do think there's ripples right like I you you mentioned um police or um some of those uh I think you mentioned before uh corrections worker that came on the show and their benefits have improved vastly from where they were before because there's an awareness of we can't just talk about the one incident that happened at work when we know there's going to be other incidents and the way they're coming to the profession from the experiences they've gone through is really a big part of the story, right? So if if like workers comp, we just treat the one thing that caused the injury okay you might fix it for a little while and the very next time something comes up it might like the whole system might be a little shaky. So um I know when I was a teacher I taught special ed um for the first five years of my career and um I loved my students. I had them for multiple years. That was kind of the program I ran and and I also was so out of my scope right like I the trauma and um the struggle that those kids had they most of them were in group homes um they had you know severe either mental illness or were coming from traumatic backgrounds that I had no idea what I was doing. But I know for sure that relationship was the foundation that I needed if I was going to get them to do anything in the classroom. And I think that's also true of therapy and and mental health support it's it's people first, right? And we layer on top the intervention and the modality and all that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER_00So one more loaded question for you um great and I think you can answer this though. I I I I think this is less open-ended. Okay how do if there's a listener out there that's struggling or if there's a listener out there who who might need support how do they know when it's time when it's time to ask what what is that moment where people can go okay this is where I can't kind of whiten my way through it. I guess maybe when you're thinking of whitening is kind of a good starting point but but when does somebody go it's time for me to reach out and it's time for me to look for help?
SPEAKER_01I think if you're asking that question you already know the answer. I think even asking the question can be helpful unto itself because you've now expanded your mind, right? You've now become flexible that it might not just be white knuckling that is going to be the only thing that gets you through. So and and what's great about therapy and and and kind of being open to it is you don't it's not like a you sign up for 10 like well maybe there's some places that do that but generally speaking you're not like all right you're handcuffed to the chair and yeah so um the the thing I would say though before you come to therapy is talk to your natural supports first, right? Like talk to your colleague at the office or you know your neighbor or whoever you talk to um if that feels like a good place to start because I I often think and well I know for sure that relationship is healing unto itself. And so if we can kind of um be open to those experiences from like you know oh I heard so and so what did you think of that or that can be a really great place to start.
SPEAKER_00So see you did give me an answer there. That that was really good and I can already tell you you're a super humble person, but now's your chance to brag a little bit about uh Off the Beaten Path and where people can go to find more information. Okay, cool. So please talk about talk about your business talk about uh where people can go to find out more information if if they are motivated to to seek out some guidance and some assistance.
SPEAKER_01My favorite thing about Off the Beaten Path as much as it's going outside my next favorite thing is the people I work with and the house I work in. So um Off the Beaten Path here in Airdrie is in Naughton Place which was um it's an old historic home uh from 1892 is the first land title. Um I know from some of the folks at this city that uh it's not actually Naughton it should have been Nanton uh but we didn't read the title properly so but we've kept the name um so it's just off first street there and and I love going to that old home every day. So uh you guys should come and film there sometime we would love that. Um and uh the folks I work with are uh all folks I adore um a lot of them have come from the experience of working in schools or in uh helping professions in some way um previously uh we all offer outdoor sessions or in office so uh that's the great thing we have um folks like um Carlin and Jamie and Nicole and Juita that do things like play therapy as well or you might see Carlin out with his disc golf uh and kids that he works with. Um we have uh like Jolene who's really great at working with uh older folks if if they're open to that and grief and dealing with that kind of phase and transition of life that can be hard when you start losing folks. And we have Jennifer who's amazing with couples. Like I I work with the best coolest people so I'll definitely brag about them. And yeah and now that we have a spot in Cochrane and Calgary that's also lovely for folks to come and do and you know see other people too. So um I want to make sure I mention everyone though. So I also have to mention Tiffany. She also works with kids and I have to mention Christine who we adore because she's got this gentle but direct approach with folks um gosh I hope I didn't forget anyone but yeah I have a great group um and off the beaten path you can find us online um we try to write uh blogs so that people can also get informed around mental health um and what what our approach is EMDR uh in particular um I was fortunate to do my uh consultant training so I'm able to consult to other therapists now about EMDR um so yeah I think I don't know is that is did I do it no case that was another job you did a great job answering that yeah Christy it's been my pleasure having you on the show and thanks so much for having us I really appreciate you coming out to to Microacres here and so perfect with off the beaten path like we're kind of outside.
SPEAKER_00Right you should uh walk right through get a sniff and then continue on with your work there you go uh again my pleasure thank you so much for being on the show yeah thanks for having me and thank you so much for coming on the show I'm your host Chris Glass we are here at Microacres and uh we'll be back with more great episodes shortly