Donna McNair: God Has a Plan

In this episode Donna talks about the blessings of living in Washington and Wisconsin and the unique opportunity to be part of two church families. Consider Donna as she opens up about Scripture, family, and her favorite hymns. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Consider One Another is a podcast focused on each other. Thank you for tuning in to this podcast that is all about stirring up love and good works in one another. Hey, welcome back to the Consider One Another podcast. I'm really excited about today. Last week we got to talk to Will and Lauren, who are traveling healthcare workers, and they'll just be here for a short amount of time. Today I'm with Donna McNair, who I don't know, would you consider yourself a snowbird or how do you qualify yourself? Because you're a member here, but you're here sometimes and in other places. Other times, you tell me snowbird, yes, snow?

SPEAKER_02 0:40

Yeah, we're a snowbird, although everybody tells me that we aren't we supposed to go south, but um because it's supposed to be warmer. But Wisconsin compared to here, Washington is warmer, yeah, milder.

SPEAKER_03 0:51

So it counts. It's an east to west snowbird instead of a north to south.

SPEAKER_02 0:56

Yes.

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You're probably pretty similar north and southwise, right? It's just directly west for the most part.

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Yes, but it's much colder. Snow and just much, much more colder.

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Yes, and especially here in Bremerton, we're coastal, we're right on the water, we're not getting Wisconsin snow, we've got some rain, but that's okay. That's okay. So okay, awesome. Then we've got Donna McNair with us. We'll get into more of the ins and outs of her life between here and Wisconsin, how interesting that is to me. But first we're gonna start with scripture. Donna, I'm gonna read Ecclesiastes three. And we've seen this on the podcast, I think, once before. I think it's Leroy Horton's favorite section of scripture here. So I'm gonna read Ecclesiastes three, verses one through eight. I'll just read the scripture, and then you share anything that stands out to you. Sound good? Sounds good. To everything there is a season, a time for every purpose under heaven, a time to be born and a time to die, a time to plant, and a time to pluck what is planted, a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to break down and a time to build up, a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance, a time to cast away stones and a time to gather stones, a time to embrace and a time to refrain from a time to gain and a time to lose, a time to keep and a time to throw away, a time to tear and a time to sew, a time to keep silence and a time to speak, a time to love and a time to hate, a time of war and a time of peace. That's Ecclesiastes 3, 1 through 8, a familiar passage. Does anything stand out to you in those famous pairings?

SPEAKER_02 2:37

Well, God has a plan. And obviously He has a plan as far as time, how everything goes. And it just seems like throughout life, eventually we're gonna live through one of those, I don't know, time phrases or whatever. Yeah, time pairings, and I have probably most of them at one point in my life or another. And it's more about how I'm gonna handle each one of those time frames. Whether I'm gonna handle it on my own or if I'm gonna handle it with God. Whether it's the good positive side as we would probably look at it, or the uh not so great and positive side. Yes. But it's more about how I'm gonna handle those situations, whether it's gonna be with just me or whether I'm gonna handle it with God.

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Because God has a plan.

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God has a plan.

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Okay. Three minutes in, I think we already have our episode title. God has a plan. God has a plan, and that's seen here. And some of these things are exciting, some of these things are some of those hardest days of your life. A time to be born and a time to die. With either of those.

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And through all of them, we have to grow.

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So yes, right. And our how are you gonna grow? With God or on your own? Yes. That's the difficult part. Um, so look through these verses uh on your own, take some time and look at these pairings, and you're gonna see, like Donna pointed out, you've probably gone through all these at some point. I'm sure you guys have done plenty of sewing over at the quick home. But there's time for tearing too. There's time for mourning, there's time for dancing, times for throwing away, times for keeping. Go through those and see, hey, how am I growing with God through this? There's a time for everything, and God has a plan for it all. Ecclesiastes 3 is interesting to me for this conversation because your life is obviously very different depending on what season it is. Because in the winter seasons, we're blessed to have you and your husband with us, which is awesome. But I also know in a different season you'll be going back to Wisconsin. So tell us about just what that looks like, when you'll be going back to Wisconsin, and just what life is like between Wisconsin and Washington. When did you start spending your winters here and what led you to make that decision in the first place?

SPEAKER_02 4:55

This is our first full year. Okay. Last year we did a partial year. The reason we did this is we decided to sell our house. My sister had to help empty my parents' house like twice. I did not want to leave that for my children. I had a lot of stuff. I did not want to leave that. So the original plan was to be traveling all over the place. And my husband and uh well, we sold the house.

SPEAKER_03 5:22

In Wisconsin.

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In Wisconsin. Um, about two months prior to selling it, our uh daughter and her husband decided they were gonna buy it. Oh. So we sold it to them.

SPEAKER_03 5:32

Right.

SPEAKER_02 5:33

We live 15 minutes away in a um RV park where we have our um summer trailer there. And uh a month after we sold it, we found out my husband was gonna have a quadruple bypass. So we went back to the house for a month after his surgery. Yeah. And then we waited around until March, and then we came out here for that first year. But, anyways, it was mainly to get rid of stuff we didn't need. I always wanted to travel. I wanted to be able to be with my parents, hadn't been able to do that yet because of our own family and also taking care of his mother. I'd come back and visit, but you know, I just wanted to be here more. And so we have the opportunity to do that now. But back there, uh, we have our children and grandchildren.

SPEAKER_00 6:25

Yeah.

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Our grandchildren live, like I said, 15 minutes away. We help with them during the summertime while my daughter and son-in-law work. So that's what we get to do there. I also help with the RV park as far as the kitchen committee. I do all the planning for the the fun meals. We do like five or six meals, and I'm in charge of doing that. So like the whole RV, like, we can have anywhere from 25 to 90 people that'll show up for one of these m meals that they sign up for us. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:00

That's a lot of cooking. I have a crew. You're just directing traffic there.

SPEAKER_02 7:05

Oh, that's so fun. And then um at church we have a small congregation.

SPEAKER_03 7:09

Okay.

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About twenty-four people, including children, which is probably half of that.

SPEAKER_03 7:15

Oh, wow.

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And I've always taught the teens. And right now it's my grandson and um another young man who is um two years younger, and I've always enjoyed that. What's the name of that church? It's the Watoma Church of Christ. Watoma.

SPEAKER_03 7:33

Yeah, and Junior Walker preaches there. Oh, okay. Okay, so in Wisconsin and in Washington, kind of got these Native American names and in lots of places. Watoma Church. I won't try to spell that. But a small group, half half of it is kids. Yes. That's a blessing. This future.

SPEAKER_02 7:50

Yes. And that's something we've realized. We we've now all of a sudden we have four young junior high high school boys who we are training to take over that congregation now.

SPEAKER_03 8:03

Yeah. Yeah. So you've got to disciple the young kids too. They're the future.

SPEAKER_02 8:08

So they are all involved right now in song leading, prayer, doing the Lord's Supper, and starting to give little talks at the end or something talking about.

SPEAKER_03 8:17

Small talks, short talks, but that's so important for development. I remember being that teenager, uh, recently become a Christian, and people start developing me, giving me a chance to do things I'd be uncomfortable at. They say, you can do it and train me. And then before you know it, a five-minute talk is a 15-minute sermonette, and then you're preaching sermons before you know it.

SPEAKER_02 8:37

And it's so much easier when you're in a smaller congregation because we need when you only have one or two men there on a regular basis, then um you need those others to walk in and help.

SPEAKER_03 8:47

So they see the need there, then.

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They know they're needed.

SPEAKER_03 8:51

Yeah. And that's a good purpose. We we talk about that on the podcast a lot. How whatever church you're part of, whatever your role is, you're needed. We can emphasize that a lot, but in certain places you feel it a little bit more. You feel it a little bit more. You're gonna feel that there.

SPEAKER_02 9:07

Yep. So here I um hang out with my mom. I do a lot of sewing with her. I wasn't gonna do quilting, and now they've talked me into it between my mom and my sister, so I'm quilting, and I drive my dad to whatever he needs to be driven to, appointments or whatever, and hang out with my mom, and and uh yeah. And then we started uh ladies' bible class here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:33

So that was so cool to me because I met Donna just on a Sunday morning, which is something that happens every so often because people travel and come and go so much. There were people I hadn't met after being here for a couple of months, and then all of a sudden, Donna shows up. Like, oh, who's this person? This person is great because she comes up to me saying, I'd just like to start some sort of ladies' Bible study at my mom's house. It'd be good for the study to be there. That way it goes to her. She doesn't have to travel for it, but we could encourage other people in that. I said, let's see if we can get that started. The next Tuesday, there it was. It was started. Donna gets things done. Uh so just tell us about that ladies' class that you started, you made it happen. What motivated you to start that gathering and what have you guys been studying?

SPEAKER_02 10:19

What motivated is uh we don't drive at night. Right. So uh the only time I was seeing anybody was Sunday mornings, and so I did put on Realm, you know, is there any daytime studies going on, whether it was ladies or couples or whatever, and there nobody there was nothing right, nobody came, you know, said, Oh yeah, we got that. So um I said, okay, let's start something. And one of the ladies suggested women in the Bible, so we did that for several weeks, and now we're doing what happens to you after you die. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 10:56

Oh man, that's heavy.

SPEAKER_02 10:58

And I had one thought, yes, and now I'm coming to terms with there may be a a different thought there. That'll happen when you say. And you're never too old to notice things or change your thoughts on something. Yeah, no matter how much you've studied or whatever, somebody could say something, and all of a sudden a light bulb goes on, and I'm like, Huh, yeah, I can see that.

SPEAKER_03 11:24

So that's what we're doing. That's awesome. And that's the point of studying. No matter how long you've been studying the Bible, it's tempting to want to say, I know the answers. I know all the answers, I'm not gonna budge. But no, that's not why God gave us each other, he gave us each other so we could study the Bible, see it in new ways, and and now that's happening. That's happening.

SPEAKER_02 11:44

I don't know how many times I've had to go back to my uh teens and say, you know, I was not studying this right. This is not what this is. Yeah. And I think that's good because they can say, hey, it's okay to be wrong, but it's but and then you can turn around and come back and and correct that.

SPEAKER_03 12:03

Yes. As long as we keep going back to scripture, yes, now you're showing your teens, it's it's not about happening to be right about everything, it's about wanting to learn. Go to God's word, and then we can find out. And I can present what I think is true, but to go to a teen and say, I think I got this wrong, right, is gonna show them so much encouragement that they don't have to have all the answers to everything to go to heaven. They have to desire God.

SPEAKER_00 12:28

Right.

SPEAKER_03 12:28

Um, this is a really cool connection to me that you said back in Wisconsin you're teaching the teens class, which includes your grandson, and that's awesome. Uh, that's just the need that's there. You said half the members there are kids. You come out here and you you say, Are there any classes going on in the daytime for adults who don't get out at night? So then you recognize the need there as well. Uh so two very different demographics for your studies, but the same theme is you're really good at recognizing needs. I think that'd be fair to say. No matter what the need is, you find it and then you've pursued it. Um so less teens here, or we have teen teachers here, um, but you say, okay, where do I need to serve? Oh, what about this area here? You saw it and you made it happen. That's really cool.

SPEAKER_00 13:16

Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 13:17

Yeah, so seeking out needs uh is a great way to be a super involved member at a church or at multiple churches, like Donna is here. Thank you for starting that lady's class. I think that's awesome. I guess we'll have to start thinking about how that'll look when you depart back to Wisconsin. When will that be? Do you have travel plans in place?

SPEAKER_02 13:37

Um, probably the end of April, first week in May. So just depends on what's going on here and what the weather's like.

SPEAKER_03 13:45

Yeah, wait for the good time and the weather, but that's soon. Uh maybe two months, a little less.

SPEAKER_02 13:51

A little less, yeah. Yeah.

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And then what does that travel plan look like? Do you just kind of beeline it to Wisconsin? Do you see some things?

SPEAKER_02 13:56

We will this year because last year we made two long trips. We took our grandson on a long trip home and then we had a long trip coming out here. So the next two trips are probably just gonna be quick. Go home. So within four or five day drives instead of 30 days.

SPEAKER_03 14:13

Okay, you've done the long trip. Yes, okay. So get it done real quick. Yeah. Once the weather clears out, uh, now it's not too hard. Just take the big red truck and head east. Oh, that's awesome. Okay, so that's that's soon. Oh no, I didn't realize that. It's okay. Don't be sad. It's okay, it's okay. I'll be back. She'll be back willing. Tell us about that. Then you come back, what was it, November-ish?

SPEAKER_02 14:40

We will probably be back the first half of October. Our park closes the first weekend in October, so oh.

SPEAKER_03 14:50

So it closes there in Wisconsin with it's too cold. Yeah. So get out of here. Yeah. Go somewhere else. So then this group of like the RV people you're talking about, like making meals for and things like that, the RV park closes and then what do people just snowbird in their respective places?

SPEAKER_02 15:07

Some of them live in the south during the wintertime.

SPEAKER_03 15:09

Right.

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Or some of them have homes there and they're just there on the weekends.

SPEAKER_03 15:13

Oh, okay.

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Yeah.

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So lots of different people. Yeah. It's so interesting. I I've always wanted to do the RV life. I haven't done it yet, but you're inspiring me.

SPEAKER_02 15:22

You learn all those things that bugged you about your spouse. You either have to have it out with them or you uh just kind of finally just let it go and just be like, it's okay. It's fine. Because we're in close quarters now.

SPEAKER_03 15:35

You can't hide from each other.

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At one time I thought there's no way I'm gonna be able to live in a small place with this man.

SPEAKER_03 15:42

But here we are doing it. You did it. Wow, okay. So marriage lessons from the RV sounds like a great book. I would love to read that about how you can't hide from each other. You're either gonna have to decide, does this really matter? If so, I gotta go talk to them, or can I let it go?

SPEAKER_02 15:56

And if they are heavy breathers, earplugs work really well.

SPEAKER_03 16:00

Okay, write that down for all you note takers, earplugs, air pods, whatever it takes. That's a unique perspective you have. Um, so for the most part, it seems like this phase of life is going well. You're getting to travel, you're getting to be with grandkids in the summer, help out your kids. Wherever you're going, you're helping people. That's my common thread here. You're helping your kids and your grandkids in the summer, you're helping your parents out here in the winter time. So you're doing what you want to. But zoom out just a little bit and tell me about the season of life before this. What were some of the just places and experiences that shaped you along the way?

SPEAKER_02 16:37

Um, very busy. I homeschooled my children. Oh, cool. And when I was homeschooling my youngest, I was homeschooling her, taking care of my mother-in-law, and working overnight.

SPEAKER_03 16:50

This is in Wisconsin. Yes. Overnights, what were you doing?

SPEAKER_02 16:53

Have you ever heard of QuickTrip?

SPEAKER_03 16:55

Yes, QT? Yes. Okay, that was Donna. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 16:59

That was me. Worked for the T. And when my husband retired two years ago, I got to retire from that.

SPEAKER_03 17:05

So Okay, you tried at the same time. Yeah. But until then, you were working nights at QT.

SPEAKER_02 17:10

Well, for I mean, for the first five years. I worked there for ten years. Well, the first five years. So there was at least one or two days a week that I was up for 24 hours at a time taking care of working, homeschooling, and my mother-in-law. So it was busy. It ages you really quick. But homeschooling is my biggest thing.

SPEAKER_03 17:31

You did that throughout their whole schooling.

SPEAKER_02 17:34

The last one, yes. The older two, they were in fourth and fifth grade when I when we pulled them out. But yeah. Okay.

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Yeah.

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And the thing I loved about it is um it was Bible based. Oh, yeah. And so I learned a whole lot more. I'm not really good at, you know, I can write it down on paper because my retaining thing is really not all that great. So details or whatever, but I know where to look, I know how to use my concordance, let's put it that way. There we go. But um, I think it helped shape my kids, especially the last two. So um, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:08

Okay, that's that's very shaping to your time that you spent uh and then their time, who they are now. So to tell us more about your kids and three kids? Yes. Yeah, d what are their names?

SPEAKER_02 18:20

Matthew.

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Matthew.

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He's no longer he he fell away years ago, but um, we have Matthew um and then Danelle, and she has four boys. Wow. One will be 16 real soon here. Wow. The twins will be 14, and then the baby is turning five next week. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 18:39

Okay.

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And then I have my youngest, who was 12 years difference.

SPEAKER_03 18:44

Okay. Very fun. Yeah. That's a big age gap. So I was trying to put the timetable together in my head, which is why I asked the question. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:52

And she knows that she was always planned for from the very beginning. And um, and every time she gets on my nerves, she says, Remember you prayed for me.

SPEAKER_03 19:04

You wanted this, mom. This is your idea. Okay, wow. So you were homeschooling then for a really long time.

SPEAKER_02 19:10

Yeah, from 97 to I'm trying to remember how old she is now. I think she's 24, so six years ago.

SPEAKER_03 19:18

Wow, okay. Very exciting. Um, the the homeschooling decision is a really hard one. I think it's getting even harder for parents who are looking at kids uh going into the school system, especially as things get even more unsteady here. You don't know what's what's going on that's nothing new under the sun.

SPEAKER_01 19:36

It's been going on forever. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 19:38

Maybe I'm just becoming more aware of it.

SPEAKER_01 19:40

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 19:40

Uh so your advice, your recommendation, even if you have to work overnights at QT, you would say do it.

SPEAKER_02 19:48

I think each family has to um look at it for themselves.

SPEAKER_00 19:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 19:53

I know there's families out there who can't for one reason or another. And some families it works well for them to be in the school district. Yeah. So I think each family has to look at it and what works for them.

SPEAKER_03 20:05

But you made it work for your family.

SPEAKER_02 20:07

It was important to me. It was a it was something we I yeah, it was important for me.

SPEAKER_03 20:13

So and you made it work. I mean, that is that's a hard ask. Those 24-hour days, that must have been crazy.

SPEAKER_02 20:19

Still teaching your kids, even while that's luckily when they get about third grade, they can do a little more independent.

SPEAKER_03 20:26

Yeah, you're kind of guiding them along the way. Yeah. Oh well, I'm sure they're really, really grateful for that, and and what a blessing that is, how that shaped you, but it's also shaped them. God has a plan. God has a plan uh in those different seasons. Uh okay, so you'll get back to Wisconsin, take care of them, take care of the four grandkids total.

SPEAKER_02 20:46

Four grandsons, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:47

Okay, all grandsons. Oh wow, very cool.

SPEAKER_02 20:49

Yeah, she's a boy mama, and she's a really good boy mama.

SPEAKER_03 20:53

Yes, and she's the one who bought your house in Wisconsin. Yes. You don't have to tell us which one you prefer. I'm sure it's just very different being in Wisconsin versus Washington, uh, for sure. Uh, but you get to do both. Yes. It's special.

SPEAKER_00 21:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:06

Both grandma and daughter.

SPEAKER_00 21:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:09

Well, I want to talk about this. We always like to close by just asking about a favorite hymn or a verse in the Bible. Today, Donna has a hymn. Tell us about your favorite hymn that we sing and any connections you have to it.

SPEAKER_02 21:22

The problem with coming up with your favorite is whether it's a verse or a song, is every time you hear something new, you're like, oh, I just love that. You know, and it just moves you. And it there's something about it. And a couple weeks ago, my favorite song changed to How Deep the Father is Love. And it was one that Randy led, and I don't know, it just almost brought me to tears.

SPEAKER_03 21:51

Yeah, it should.

SPEAKER_02 21:52

So I'm excited to take that song back with me and to teach uh my fellow Christians back there this.

SPEAKER_03 22:00

So you think it would be one that they maybe don't know?

SPEAKER_02 22:03

Oh yeah, I don't think they do know this one. We we don't have it in our things. And in the past we've tried to get together once a month to sing and have a potluck. So I have the opportunity at that time to teach it to them. So Okay.

SPEAKER_03 22:18

Do you like teaching those new songs? Is that something you do often?

SPEAKER_02 22:21

They they they like it when I bring back a song. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:24

A new song. So Oh, that's so cool. This is exciting to me to think about the connection between these two different churches that are very far apart. It just has, you know, the McNair's between the two of them. And now you can take something you saw here that was working and and take it there. I'm trying to find just the lyrics of that song.

SPEAKER_02 22:41

Well, the first part of it, just how deep the Father's love for us, uh, that he should give his only son, how great the pain of searing loss as wounds which mar the chosen one. To make a wretched his treasure. The father turns his face away, bring many sons to glory. I'm not sure if I'm reading that in the right order or not. And then talks about him being on the cross. A shame I hear my v um mocking voice. It was my sin that held him there. His dying breath has brought me life. You know, so it just it just gets you really deep in core, you know.

SPEAKER_03 23:22

Yeah, it makes you feel it. And are you saying that was the first time you'd heard that song? I believe it was, yes. That'll hit you in a new way. Which is a good point because there are some other convicting songs we sing, like, oh, I know this one. And so then you kind of focus on the music instead of the lyrics. When there's a new song, now you kind of focused on lyrics. Yeah. Never heard that before. Yeah. If you don't have an answer for this, that's fine. But you said it changed a couple weeks ago to how deep the father's love. Was there one before that that was pretty solid?

SPEAKER_02 23:52

Well, I do have a favorite that I always liked, and I don't know why, I just but I always liked um Jesus Rosa Sharon. And so when we were at where the vintage people live.

SPEAKER_03 24:03

Yep. Shout out Fluffy and Cheryl for putting that together.

SPEAKER_02 24:05

Yes, thank you so much. I truly enjoyed it. I was so glad that Dan knew it and let it. That was another one that when I went to Wash Wisconsin back in '99, we were together with a congregation and we we were learning songs at another potluck, and um I brought that one up, and me and another lady kind of helped carry Derrida along and and sing a little extra. So it became yeah, so yeah, it was another one of mine.

SPEAKER_03 24:36

And that was part of the arsenal there. Yeah. 25 years later. Okay, now How Deep the Father's Love will be another one.

SPEAKER_02 24:43

Right, right. Different congregation, but yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:45

A different congregation. Yeah, they'll get it. They'll they'll learn this one. Oh, yeah. It'll be part of the songs that they know. Uh, that's so cool when new songs are introduced, which is why I like this segment on the podcast. Sometimes people bring up a song I've never heard of. So we gotta sing that. We gotta sing it. Those those words matter. I'll say this in closing. Just a second ago, you accidentally said like a Washington instead of a Wisconsin, like you just barely. That made me feel better because I was so worried I was gonna do that throughout the whole podcast. It must be easy to do that.

SPEAKER_02 25:15

I do it all the time. It's like yelling for your children's names. Yeah, which one do you what Washington? Wisconsin. It doesn't help. They both start with those first, you know, the same letter, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_03 25:26

Yes. Yes. Wisconsin or Washington. We're grateful that she's in Washington and we'll enjoy it as long as it can last. And I look forward to having you back because it'll be so cool the way the Lord keeps intertwining people's paths, giving you time to go teach how deep the father's love in Wisconsin, and then you'll come back to Washington and probably hear a new song then too. Uh but it's a blessing. I'm so glad that you've plugged in the way you have these four or five months you've been here, and we'll enjoy it while we still have you. Uh but until then, uh thank you for all the work you do here in Wisconsin. Oh, there it was. Do you see it? Thank you for all the work you do here in Washington and there in Wisconsin.

SPEAKER_02 26:06

You can't bleep that out.

SPEAKER_03 26:07

We can't. No, that's staying in. That's staying in. Uh but Donna, thank you so much for being here. We really appreciate you sharing today.

SPEAKER_02 26:13

Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 26:16

The Bible tells us to consider one another in order to stir up love and good works in each other. So thank you for stirring up love and good works in me just by listening to this episode.