Anything But Politics Ep.1 Howard Pearl

In this inaugural episode, Tiff and Tom sit down with New Hampshire Senator Howard Pearl for a captivating conversation filled with personal stories, practical insights, and reflections on public service. From his motivations for serving in the New Hampshire Senate to the values that drive his decisions, Senator Pearl shares an inspiring perspective that sheds light on the importance of civic duty and leadership. Whether you’re interested in politics or simply looking for a dose of inspiration, this episode offers something for everyone.

Transcript

Hi everyone, I'm Tiffany Eddy and pleased to be joined by my co -host Tom Prasol

from Demers and Praisol and this is our first episode of our new podcast called

Anything But Politics where we do a deeper dive into people who you know or you

know maybe should know and where we talk about anything but politics. Which is fun.

It is fun and we're so lucky to be joined today by a you know two -term state

senator. He's certainly known around the state house for his chairmanship of several

committees however he's probably best known for wearing car hearts and sitting behind

a plow and maybe even being found in a maple barn. So without further ado we'd

like to welcome our guest today Senator Howard Pearl. - Well, thank you. It's great

to be here with both of you. I do wear car hearts occasionally. I'm kind of a

jeans guy, but they're warm. They are warm and comfortable and durable, most

importantly. - Big with the kids now, like my kids for Christmas this year, they're

asking for car hearts. - And they're asking, in the jeans with the holes in them?

Listen, I was a trendsetter many years before that was popular. We wore pants that

looked like that for years. - Because you had worked in them and you had actually

created the holes? - Exactly, I'm thinking I could just sell these now, all those

old jeans that I threw away. - You're sitting on a gold mine. - It was, it was.

- But speaking of career though, six generation farmer, is that correct? - Yeah, yeah,

we've been in Loudon for many generations farming. The farm we're on currently is,

My great -grandfather purchased in the late 1800s, and we farmed down on a pearl's

corner, named after my great -great -great -grandfather. - Wow. - Prior to that.

- You're literally a New Hampshire John Dutton from Yellowstone. - Well, essentially,

but there's nobody that goes to the train station, at least not that we talk about

anyway. - Good, good. - Yeah, that's good intel right there. - That's good intel. - So

he's safe, yeah. - So sixth generation, what kind of things happen on the farm,

obviously not taking people to the train station, but thankfully, but what other

things are taking place on the farm? - Sure, so we're primarily a produce farm now.

We used to be dairy and produce. In fact, my dad had a lot of chickens. I grew

up, he had several thousand hens. - Oh, wow. milk dairy cows as well as maple syrup

and did a little bit of produce. And then as my brother and I kind of came into

age of starting to need something to do, he moved into the produce business a bit

more. Now my uncle had been in the produce business since the late 40s, but my dad

kind of merged into it as well. But when I got out of high school, my dad and my

uncle were sort of getting to the age where they wanted to slow down. So I kind

of took over both businesses and merged them together.

And I have since in the late '90s got out of the cow business and strictly focused

on produce. My dad, I talked about poultry. My dad got out in the early '70s when

I was young.

Many aspects of farming, they kind of go through cycles and things become not

profitable and you see the trend move to something else. And That's kind of what

happened with the chickens and sort of with the cows too. We've seen a huge decline

in the dairy industry in the state over the last 40 or 50 years we've got less

and less and less dairy farms. - And what do you attribute that to? And I only ask

because I know people get really attached to cows, right? Like when I grew up in

Western Massachusetts and I was a catcher on a baseball team and our was from,

you know, Western Massachusetts, but the northern part, and he had a farm, and he

used to carry around a picture of his cow and his wallet. They were very attached.

So what moved you away from that? - Economics. It just simply wasn't a money making

business anymore, so we had to make the tough decision to change out of it. And it

was, you know, my family had been generations of milking cows, and it was very

difficult to move away, but I decided it was a business decision that I had to

make. - And chickens are hard too. I was talking to you a little bit before, but I

had chickens for like 10 years, and every single year something gets into the coop,

whether it be a bear, or a fox, or a raccoon, or a fisher cat, or what have you.

I mean, they're kind of like at the bottom of the food chain, so, and you know,

We like to eat chicken, so everybody else, I guess, does too. So we fortified our

coop, actually. So my wife and I, Heather, and we got married two years ago.

Congratulations. Thank you. On Mount Washington, correct? We did, on the top of Mount

Washington. Wait a second. I want to back up for a second, if I may. How

logistically does something like that-- you make a bride-- was she wearing a dress?

Like, you make her climb up, like was it the Tuckerman side? It was a car hard

dress. And she's like climbing up so and then you get to the top and you're like

do you. She's like please just don't make me go down again I want to take the

cog. That's a much more romantic picture than it actually was. We drove up I hired

the van and took a handful of family members and I drove my pickup up and we got

dressed up there I had made arrangements through I know the fishing game Colonel

Well and he was very kind to introduce me to the folks that run the Mount

Washington Auto Road and we were able to set up the facilities so that we could

change up there on top and we got into our gear and our appropriate clothing I

guess it's not gear at that point. The fancy car heart. Yeah, the fancy was it was

warm though, right? It was July 3rd. It actually was 50,

low 50s in about a 30 mile an hour gust with probably about a 20 mile an hour

static wind. So a nice day on Mount Washington. It sounds chilly. Chilly and hooks

it. Chilly day and hooks it. It was, but it was nice. But my wife has hiked Mount

Washington seven times. I'm myself not much of a hiker. I'm an outdoorsman but not

much of a hiker but we actually drove up that day which I'm sure she took some

grief for in her hiking community but we we did drive up. So she's a hiker and

that's what inspired the the exchanging of the valves on Mount Washington? It was

because she absolutely loves the mountains and so I made a couple of suggestions and

she jokingly said why don't we just get married on Mount Washington nice. So this

was Tuesday I said, "What are you doing on Sunday?" And she said, "I'm off from

work." And I said, "Great, let's get married." And so we did, on top of Mount

Washington. And I sort of just quickly put it all together. I said, "You better

find a dress." - That's awesome. - And we did. We made it happen in about five

days. - That's a fun story. - It is, it was great. She's awesome. She has,

didn't have farming experience, but she did have chickens to go back to our original

story so she brought some chickens to the farm which had not been there in 50

years and I said well I've got an old coop that my grandfather built in the 30s

and my dad added on to in the 40s and late 40s when after the war the chicken

business really was booming and they added on to the coop and so I said you can

have it do whatever you want with it so I had renovated part of it into equipment

storage which I quickly removed and it just kind of become a storage facility, but

it is now home to chickens, turkeys, geese, ducks, bunnies, and whatever else we put

in there. Really diversifying your portfolio. Absolutely. And are any of these for

sale or are they for your family? Yeah, primarily just for our own use. We have

sold a few eggs when we've had excess, but the meat portion of it is more just

for us. I like to know where my food comes from and I enjoy growing it because

it's that that is part of my heritage So I have to ask you a story about a story

that I've heard. I don't know if it's true or not, but

Allegedly you have been struck by lightning

Twice I have I've had a couple of incidents with lightning that the first one

nearly killed me - This is wild, well please, go on, tell us a story.

- So because you're talking about all the animals in the farm and it's popping into

my head, I'm like, how does something like this happen? How does something like this

happen? - So we were actually at my brother's house, which he lives just down over

the hill, just off the top of the hill. I actually live on essentially the top of

the hill and he had a house he had built just about a half a mile down the road

and in one of our fields. We were down there. My children were very young.

My son was about six months old and my daughter was probably like two and a half.

She might have been just about, I guess she had just turned three and we were at

his house and just a nice summer night and heard a little bit of rumbling in the

distance but nothing much. It was essentially clear sky. And all of a sudden, bang,

a bolt of lightning hit the transformer outside of his house. And so we went down

into the basement because you could smell hot, went down, checked on things, and

nothing was on fire, but it smelled hot. And it had burned up some light bulbs in

his house and his TV had lost a bunch of appliances and things because of the

direct hit. - Yeah, just as we started up the stairs a second time, it hit as well

right behind the house. Well, we had run upstairs and again,

it smelled really hot and I said, you better go back down and make sure there's

nothing else on fire. Well, I was barefoot. We went down into the basement, looked

things over and I said, we better get out of here. You know, all that lightning's

coming right into the basement because of the electrical work. And as we started

across the basement, I apparently laid my hand on the metal lolly column that he

has holding up the first floor, and it hit the house again. - Wow. - That time,

it just went right through me and it sent me flying probably eight or 10 feet or

more. - Oh, wow. - Now, my brother was, mind you, was standing right as close as

you are to me. He never felt anything, but all he heard was a bang and saw me

flying through the air. So it literally projected me eight or 10 feet through the

air. - Was your hair all?

- But prior to that, I looked like a young man. (laughing) - Oh, you still do.

- Well, it-- - You had dark hair and then you went white? - Exactly, at some point

in time, since then it occurred, I'll blame it on the lightning. But it literally

knocked me out and I was, if you can envision the feeling of melting is the only

way I can describe it to you it's just like everything went and and I went black

and the next thing I felt was this just extreme pounding on my chest like the

biggest person you've ever met in your life was hitting you with a hammer as hard

or two fists as hard as they could swing and then I started to come to and my

brother was there and I couldn't see, but I could start to hear, and he just kind

of grabbed me because I would have run out through the house into the woods. I had

no idea what I was doing. Well, we got upstairs and my hands and feet were just

on fire, like you had a torch on them. And I started to sort of get my senses

back and we decided we better get out of the house and we drove back up to the

farm and another bolt hit the house as we were leaving. So that was four times

that house got hit in the that house. So it was after you. Five minutes. I've

tried to live right since then.

So I never did go to the doctor, but it took me about a day to get so I could

stop shaking. It really screwed me up. In my eyes, it just burst all the blood

vessels. They were blood red for a few days. It didn't do good things. It was a

pretty heavy charge of electricity. Yeah. I mean, that was going to be my question

is, what did it feel like? Because the only experience I have is, you know, when I

was younger and not as smart and putting the battery right to your tongue. Yeah,

absolutely. Yeah. Was it a tangle? It was a sharp? No, it was melting. Again, it

was just like I melted and everything shut down. So in years later, I was at a

conference and I happened to be sitting at a table with a doctor and I explained

the experience to him and He said, that was your heart trying to restart is what

you felt. - Oh, wow. - That bang. - The pounding. - He said, you're just lucky it

did because sometimes it doesn't. And so, mine happened to restart. I was young and

fit and in shape at that point. I was in, well, I was in my early 20s. And yeah,

thankfully I'm still here. - Well, we're glad. Thank you. - So the next year,

the second time, I was two years in a row. - So this is true, two times? - Two

times. - Oh my goodness. - So the next year, I was in my barn.

knock a cow flat. Oh, really? It would lay them right out. They were very, they're

very sensitive to electricity, more so than we are. I didn't know that. Did they

pop back up? Yeah, they always got back up. Do they pop or they just get up?

That's a visual thing. We've actually lost cows in the pasture, the lightning, and

you'll find them, doesn't do good things to them. Because they tend to hide under a

tree, and if lightning hits it, it does not do good things to So that one I I

laid off milk and for a little while I went back out I thought the storm was done

and I walked over and looked out the window and I saw the light and Literally a

blue stripe about this wide right in front of me about five or six feet and I

don't know the next thing I knew I was in the house and my air was all standing

on and everybody's looking at me like I was crazy But that was another good hit

and then did like physically did it impact you not so about on that one it just

kind of disoriented me for two or three minutes but it was it was definitely close

enough and then did you go buy a lottery ticket yeah no no interestingly enough the

next year it hit the house and I saw a bolt of lightning come right out of the

phone socket on the wall and I being myself was taunting it and said, "This time

you missed me."

That was kind of the end of it for a while. You're a brave man. So if there's

ever a lightning storm, I do not want to be anywhere near you. So if we're

golfing, we can hold hands and I'll hold the club up and we can run down on the

ramp. And I'll be driving the cart, yes, as far away as possible.

So - You are a golfer, even though you've been struck by a lot of your toys. - I

have played golf. I won't say I'm a golfer.

No, I enjoy the sport. It's fun, but I'm not terribly good at it. I don't have

enough time to practice, but it's just a way of relaxing for me. I quite enjoy it.

- So no handicap or anything? - I do have a handicap, but it has nothing to do

with golf. (laughing) - Yeah, so one of the things I love about golf, and I'm sure

you feel the same way with you know what you do for work and everything is for me

it's four hours because although I should say it's probably six in case my wife is

listening.

No one plays a slow nine like Tom. But basically it's four hours where I take my

phone and I try and put it in my bag and kind of disconnect and just be one with

nature right and work on my tan. Which is amazing by the way. I appreciate that

your tan looks so nice. I said all day. Yeah, I Wasn't gonna bring it up. But you

know, I mean given how busy you are, you know You were mentioning earlier your

phone's always ringing off the hook It's nice to have an outlet where you can kind

of unplug it is and and I enjoy the physical aspect of it, too Many people think

golf is pretty easy. It's it's using your muscles very differently than what I I

do. I lift all day long. That's what the farm does. You know, we just lift. But

you've got a good eye too. You can, I remember we'll be out there and you'll say,

"I think the pin's probably like, what, 120?" And you'll be like, "It's about 119."

And sure enough, you bring a gun out, 119. Well, I've done, I've done a lot of

shooting in my life, you know, with guns. And so we've learned ranges and it's

something you have to know to do that well. Yeah. So when you say shoot like any

any favorite uh are we talking shotgun or rifle or a lot of rifle I like long

range shooting I have a 400 yard range at my farm and I just enjoy that type of

shooting. Yeah that's a lot of fun. So typical day like let's go back to your

farming would you mind just explaining like what what's an average day for Howard

Pearl look like on the farm. So my days are way easier now than they used to be.

When we had dairy cows we were starting every day at 4 a .m. and we would do our

morning chores and milking and break for breakfast around 7 for half hour 45 minutes

and then go back into the barn do chores go in the woods and work and break again

at noon so we could watch M .U .R. News at noon. We had to get the weather and we

had to learn what was going on. - Well, obviously you're a very smart man because

it's excellent programming and I hear the former news anchors there are amazing.

- Phenomenal. - Remember, some of them really stood out (laughs) and then we'd work,

you know, go back in the woods again for the afternoon and do evening milking and

done about seven o 'clock. My days are much easier now. I don't, in harvest season

in the summer, I may start early, but this time of year, I don't usually start

until like 7 a .m. It's much easier schedule and how many acres are you are you

farming now? So I own just under 300 and then we rent about another 150 that we

do various crop a lot of its hay or you know hay or corn hey Hey, hey,

so I hear you like to unload. Hey, you have

Hey, yes. Yeah, no unloading Loading hay is a labor of love for people that you

care about, the botanics, but it's not always the most fun thing to do. - I've

always enjoyed it. - You have? - I really have. I love my job. It's like I don't

have a job. I always tell everybody I get to get up every day and do what I like

to do. And it is like you don't have a job. It's just been an enjoyable lifestyle.

I mean, it's not for everyone. There's a lot of physical labor, you're working in

the elements on a very hot, cold, whatever it is, you're working out there. And

financially it's not the most rewarding, there's probably almost any other job you

could make more money at, but it is a way of life and it's a great way to raise

a family. I was raised there, my kids were raised there, my kids have decided not

to be in agriculture, they've on other things that they enjoy, but I've always

encouraged them to do what they want, do what you love, follow your passion and

worry about the money. That will come. - And that's great. And I mean, I also love

corn on the cob. So I wanna thank you, right? Because I wouldn't, you know. - And

you love cows. - Yeah, and I love cows and maple syrup. And those are two big

things, right? Corn on the cob and maple syrup for you. And we know that,

you know, mapling, maple sugaring is a real fun hobby and pastime for a lot of

folks here in the Granite State. I don't know anything about it. What would be, you

know, any tips that you might be able to give? If you're gonna get into maple,

keep it at a size you can enjoy, because if you get everyone likes to tap more,

grow more, you know get bigger just make sure it stays fun and you enjoy it if

that's why you got there just just make sure you preserve that part of it because

when it's a business it takes some of the fun out of it yeah and how many trees

do you need to tap to get like enough for a year sure and for a person it I'll

answer it a little different because that's very subjective it depends on how much

you eat but it takes about 40 gallons of sap to make a gallon of syrup actually

we've been averaging more like 43 44 the last few years and yeah you're gonna get

approximately unless you're in you see we implore a lot of technology and how we

produce sap from trees so we're getting about a gallon of syrup for every two and

a half taps if you're doing it with buckets you're probably gonna get a gallon for

every four to five taps So if you want a gallon of syrup to use for a year,

you're going to need at least five taps to do it.

And probably even six or seven because you're going to lose a little, you're going

to spill a little. Your processing isn't going to be refined to the level that

we've done that commercially.

So I've spent a lot of money to make it go really fast and look good. But you

can do it at home. That's the neat part. There's nothing that I'm doing that you

can't at your house on your st - well don't do it on your stove because it'll take

all your wallpaper off. Preferably outside. There's a lot of water evaporation.

So someone was asking me and I didn't know what to say but they were they were

out of state and they were in New Hampshire and they're like what's the difference

between New Hampshire maple syrup and Vermont maple syrup and why which one's better

and why and I was like well New Hampshire maple syrup's better obviously. I like

your answer and they were like well why and I was like well because it's New

Hampshire a granite state Livfrida but like is there anything that's special about

New Hampshire in our climate that really makes exceptional maple syrup. So you can

make exceptional maple syrup probably most in almost any state and they certainly do.

You know the minerals in the soil can affect the flavor of your syrup, but mostly

it's about your practice of how you handle that sap. It's a fresh product. Once it

comes out of that tree, you start the clock. It's a sugar -based liquid, and as it

gets warmer and into the later part of the season, you start to see the bacteria

growth in that sap because the liquid's warmer, there's sugar content to it,

and that bacteria will start to grow and the more that bacteria grows prior to you

processing it, the darker and stronger flavored syrup it makes. It's why you tend to

see the lighter, more delicate flavored syrup in the beginning of the season and as

you progress through, you get a stronger and darker flavor. That's sort of the

general trend. But if you think about it, your sun angle in late January,

early February when we start the season It's not very warm, it's still cool, but as

you get into late March, early April, it's starting to warm up, you're getting some

50 degree days, that sun's actually starting to get hot because it's moved up in

the sky more, and you know, in our tilt of the earth, and it just makes that

bacteria grow faster. So what makes New Hampshire special? It's all of us producers,

we just love what we do. You know, we make a great product and everyone's very

dedicated to it, but you know, maple syrup, you can get good maple syrup anywhere

but New Hampshire I have a certain fondness for it. It's a love. It's a love in

the syrup. It is. It runs in your veins. It really does. It gets to be part of

you in your life. I love that answer. Thank you. Yeah and and just to touch real

quick on corn right like so we boil the corn in our house right but here grilling

it actually makes it a different flavor and is better. Which do you prefer as a

expert and connoisseur of corn? - Sure, so when you boil corn, what color is the

water when you take it out? - I don't know. - It's yellow. You're taking some of

the flavor and some of the nutrients out of the corn when you do it that way.

- So by cooking-- - I've been doing it wrong my entire life. - By new it. - By new

it. - Yes. - By cooking it in the husk. I mean, it comes in a natural husk that

you can cook it on the grill, or you can put it in a microwave too. I just

recommend you take the silk off, if you're gonna put it in a microwave, 'cause it

will catch on fire sometimes. - Oh, that's bad. - If you remove the silk and just

put it in the microwave, you can cook it naturally. I like to soak mine in water

and then put it on the grill and just slow cook it and get a little char on

those. It's fantastic. I mean, the husk is completely black when I'm done, but you

get just a little bit of char on those kernels and you have that moisture, it

seals it right in, and it is fantastic. - So grilling's the way to go. - Well, the

best way is raw. - Okay. - You just pick it right off the stalk and eat it. That's

the way I do when I'm checking, and I do it every day when we're picking, just to

make sure what I'm sending to the customer is good. - I've never tried that. - My

wife said the same thing when we first got together. I took her out in the field.

I said, let's go check some corn. And I said, here, try this. She goes, raw. I

said, try it. it's the best corn you'll ever have and she looked at me kind of

funny but she tried it and she was right and the flavor is amazing. So the quality

control you put into your product is really phenomenal and you can purchase it I

believe that Hannaford? So we we sell to some of the Hannaford's around primarily

Concord, Guilford is the main area around Loudon. I've had to shrink my footprint

significantly because we just don't have labor and that's been a major problem for

us so and I'm you know I'm getting a little older and I can't handle that same

rigor that I used to a physical labor so and I've had to deal with the fact that

we just don't have the labor there the labor pool is limited for agriculture so

I've slowed my business down and just kind of heading down that glide path I guess

of slowing down I never intend to stop but - Have I ever tell you about my

retirement plan? - No. - I have an excellent retirement plan. - Sounds good. - I'm

gonna retire from everything on the same day. - Okay. - When you hit the lottery.

- When they put me in the box. - Oh, okay. (laughing) That's my retirement plan. - I

thought it was the lottery after you got struck by lightning. - No, no, no, no, I

see. That's a fallacy. You can get struck by lightning and not win the lottery.

- Well, you can't go swimming in the ocean though, because now you're probably much

more likely to get attacked by a shark. (laughing) And they eat people yeah, they

do they don't just warn you I don't think they want to bite me

Tastes too much like maple syrup maple syrup, and I might bite back

That's probably a different story So we're gonna wrap it up in a few minutes, but

one question I'm curious about like six generation farmer you've been in loud and

and you know have a big family out there But what was it that inspired you to to

give back to to be a public servant? Sure, and I know we're not talking about

politics But I do think like just you know, what's your inspiration for for you

know serving sure so when on July 15th 2003 we had a major barn fire that one of

my buildings started and got going just shortly after lunch and By the time we were

done, we had lost four of our major buildings and essentially had the house and the

sugar house left and and that Old chicken coop that I let my wife and those that's

about all that was left and

During that time I had Literally had people stopping and helping us move everything

out of the house as fast as we could go while the barn right behind It was was

in full blaze. And these folks gave willingly to help me and my family in a time

when we were in a really bad spot and they didn't give it a second thought. And

in the fall, the days following, members of my community were there with anything

and everything that I needed or didn't even know I needed. And it was inspiring to

me to say, you know, my community was here for me when I needed them. I will be

there for them and give back in any way I can. And it was the following year I

ran for my first elected office as a trustee of the trust fund. The opportunity

presented itself and I said, you know, it's my turn. And I did that for four years

and then I served on my zoning board for 13 years and I served as moderator for

two years. years. So about 20 years straight, I was at a different capacity within

the town, and meanwhile concurrently I ran for the New Hampshire House. I had been

many years in testifying on bills for ag policy, and you know,

through a relationship I had with the Farm Bureau, I was also serving on their

board of directors. And I decided, you know, it doesn't make sense to be trying to

convince that person behind the table of what I, of my ideas of ag policy, why

don't I become one? So I did. And I served for six years on the Environment Ag

Committee in the last two years, sharing it in the house. And I ran for the Senate

two years ago and then it was just reelected. In fact, tomorrow morning we get

sworn in at 10 a .m. - Congratulations. - You know, I have to say that is an

absolutely phenomenal story, right? You're what led you to where you are today. And

it's also so quintessential New Hampshire in that, you know, our legislature is a

volunteer legislature. And so what you bring to the table though is an expertise,

right? Like you've taught, you know, Tiffany and I so much about the proper way to

eat corn. What makes it light? What makes syrup light and dark? - How not to get

struck by a lake. - How not to get struck by a lake. But you know, you bring an

expertise And to the table, that's certainly welcome and helpful when discussing

legislation. So I just want to say thank you. I think that's really great in your

reason for giving back. Well, you're welcome. You know, that is the neat thing about

the New Hampshire House is you have 400 people who gather for essentially no pay,

100 bucks a year, and the 24 Senate members as well. and they set your policy,

but they're members of your community. They all have stories, you know, maybe they're

not exactly like mine, but they're all stories. Every member has been struck by

lightning. Probably not. But they all have their story and their path of why they

are there and what they want to help bring, you know, for New Hampshire. And it's

awesome to serve there, I will tell you. It's a real honor. And I've always been,

I've He's been very, just honored. That's the right word and felt very humble to be

there and that the members of my community have put that faith in me. - Well, I

can say, I think for both Tom and I, we're honored that you came on to our new

podcast and shared these stories with us because it's fascinating. It's wonderful to

get to know you personally and then to hear these stories and then hear just your

dedication and inspiration. So thank you so much for not just serving,

but, you know, for sharing some of this with us. Oh, yeah, and don't be surprised

if we ask you back. So here there's a great toboggan story that that's just waiting

in the wings. And that's probably for next time. Tobogganing and hay rise. We'll

talk about that on others. Awesome. We'd be honored. Awesome. Well, Senator Howard

Pearl, thank you very much for your time. Really appreciate it. And, uh, you know,

on behalf of Tom Prasol from Demers and Prasol and Tiffany Eddy Media. Thank you so

much for joining us for this episode of Anything... - But Politics. - We'll see you

again soon.