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Avodah Talk w/ Matt Walton
Faith-Driven Leadership: Aligning Business with Spiritual Values with Mark McLoone
Matt Walton welcomes Mark Mcloone, an inspiring entrepreneur from Living Waters, to Avodah Talk for a journey into faith-driven leadership and business transformation. Hear about Mark's pivotal "lunch tour" that shifted his focus from self to service and the role of the KWM Bible study group during the tumultuous COVID era. Together, we dive into the significance of aligning business practices with spiritual values, emphasizing servant leadership, humility, and the transformative power of structured management practices inspired by resources like the Enneagram and "Traction" by Gino Wickman.
Explore the challenges and triumphs of integrating Christian values into business, particularly in personnel management. Mark and I share personal stories about making tough decisions when team members don't align with core values, underscoring the importance of prioritizing values over skills. Discover how fostering a faith-centered work environment can lead to both challenges, like praying with employees, and blessings, such as witnessing team members' spiritual growth. We also highlight strategies for success, like incorporating prayer into the workplace, leading by example, and embracing a culture of lifelong learning.
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What's up, guys? This is Matt with Avoda Talk or the Real Matt Walton. This is your hub for all things Kingdom Business Business. As Ministry Business Strategy, my goal is to provide as much value, minute by minute, each podcast that you listen to. So let's get to it. What's up, guys? Matt Walton, here with Avoda Talk or at the Real Matt Walton, and welcome.
Speaker 1:I am so excited about today. As y'all know, I've been doing YouTube content and podcasts for a little while now, but today is the first podcast that I'm doing with a guest, and so I am just extremely, extremely excited about that, because I really respect this man and admire him and have a great love for this man and I will get into exactly what I mean by that here in a minute, but thank y'all for coming. Man, today has been an incredible morning. I woke up early, got after it, spent a lot of time with the Lord this morning and exercised this morning. I went to bed last night on time and got in bed before 930 and had all of my stuff set out for this morning and I was just ready to get after it. So hopefully that encourages y'all, because when we start doing these things and taking ownership over every little b area in our lives, we start to find ourselves with more freedom and more time to spend with our families. Spend time with the Lord and focus on what really matters within our business. Let's get into it.
Speaker 1:This is my very good friend, mark McClune man. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2:Wow, what an introduction. Thank you so much. I'm humbled with all those kind words. I'm humbled to the show Wow, what an introduction. Thank you so much. I'm humbled with all of those kind words. I'm humbled to be here, thank you. Thank you so much for having me and I'm humbled that we get to be. I get to be the first guest. Wow, what a privilege. So I hope I don't screw it up too bad.
Speaker 1:So we I want to share how I met Mark and just a few things that I have picked up from Mark and because I've learned a lot. And I went to a when I first moved out to Vegas this is like right as I was buying or bought the business that I now own and I was operating it as a kingdom business and thought that I was the only one out here in Vegas that was doing that. And I had a buddy of mine that introduced me to KWM, which is an entrepreneur's hub for all things kingdom, and Mark is one of the leaders in that, and so whenever I went I heard you talk about kingdom business and I again never heard anybody talk about kingdom business out here before, and so God had put this desire in me just to chat with you afterwards and we chatted for a few minutes and you had invited me and, I think, everybody else in the KWM group you just opened yourself up and your business up to invite people to the quarterly meetings that you were having, and so I went to the quarterly meeting, was able to see his team and just sit in and really absorb and learn, and then after that, mark had invited me to a leader meeting of his, and so it was more of an intimate setting there but was able to really see how he and his wife and just the rest of the team operate, and that was very eye-opening for me. It really put me onto a number of things. I in fact started doing quarterly meetings because of what I learned through Mark on that and we have seen salvation happen at the quarterly meeting.
Speaker 1:At one of our quarterly meetings, man, one of my guys got saved in the quarterly meeting and that wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for that. So that was really big for me. And let's get into it. Man, I want to hear really about kind of how things got going with you and I want to hear just a little bit about your testimony and where you were at in business before you kind of converted, if you will, into a kingdom business, yeah, and just what that looked like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so Kingdom Wealth Managers is the name of our Bible study business kingdom business group that we have. That's kind of where the beginning of my transformation kind of started. So I kind of wouldn't mind starting there. I mean, I've been a Christian for a long time, but it was right around COVID, like 2019, we were going into 2020 and everyone's like 2020 vision. We're going to see it's going to be great. And then boom, covid hit.
Speaker 2:Um, but before that, I was doing this lunch tour. So I take people out to lunch, like we got to lunch and I was, and the Lord started to really put on my heart just to serve, you know, and I, you know, we're all us are selfish, we're all about me, me, me, what's in it for me, and so the Lord, you know, the Lord's not that way, of course. He's all about love. So I started taking people out to lunch, loving on them and just being there, like what can I do for you? Which was something that I had to do to learn, and I had to learn how to actually start doing what the what the word of God says, you know, and um, during this lunch tour, it was probably like a year, like 17, 18.
Speaker 2:And then going into 19,. I took Noel Casimiro out to lunch and he started telling me about this Bible study KW, it was called iron, sharpened iron, it was called ISI back then and he was coming to this Bible study. So I go to this Bible study and this flamboyant, crazy gangster his studies before he even brings a message. And I started going and I couldn't stop. Every Friday morning at nine, 30. I just couldn't stop. I couldn't stop and I was getting. I was finally getting fed, getting fed more than I ever got fed before from a church or from my pastor. I say raised me, pastor, pastor Paul. He raised me as a baby because I was 24, 25 when I gave my life to the Lord, and so he taught me how to be a father and a husband but when I went to KWM, I really started to learn how to become a Christian man of God.
Speaker 2:You know, a businessman, a man that lives with integrity, a man that you know that's humble, and I was in a place where I go. I have to start going to where I wanted to own being there. So he him, rob Bess, miguel Garcia and Noel Cosmero and I all formed this group called KWM, and now we've turned it into a business. So now it's a for-profit business and, praise God, we just got our nonprofit, so we're also a nonprofit as well, and so we do business trainings, we do mixers. All we want to do is we want to pour into people like you. All we want to do is we want to pour into business owners and we tell everybody all the time when they come, please call us, text us, whatever, Just let us know what you need. I I'm kind of going to go all over the place. That's just the way it's going to be.
Speaker 2:But a lot of people that come don't understand what the bible says about living with an open hand and giving. You know, and we believe in giving it all away. You know, because the old covenant was give 10. Give a first fruit offering and then going into the new covenant. Jesus gave it all, so we can just believe. We're going to give 100%. We're going to give 100%. I don't know what that looks like to some people. Some people might be giving away 20%, 25%, 50%, whatever that is, I don't know. I mean, I give in all different kinds of ways, but it's funny how you can tell people that all the time when you give, it's going to be pressed on, shaken, overflowing. That's what the Bible says, but they don't believe it or they just don't know how to trust God in it. You know, if they would just give and we're not talking just about money, we're talking about your time, your talent. You know being along, suffering with people, spending time sitting there, listening, you know, and it's funny because we ask people to help us out and to volunteer and some do, some don't. It's so great when somebody does, because that's when a testimony happens. And I just want to tell you, when somebody gives and they just want to serve, miracles start happening.
Speaker 2:We had this one girl, katara Katara, I think and she came like two or three weeks ago and she's in her twenties and the Lord's been putting on my heart. We need to start opening this up with worship, you know, cause it's a business Bible study. It's not in the church, it's outside the four walls, which is great, so it's in the marketplace. So I'm like we gotta start worshiping in the marketplace. So I told our team I'm like you guys, we got to start worshiping. So I just like, do you guys mind if I just start standing up and worshiping? They're like sure. So I'm like, okay, I'm just going to do it old school, the way Pastor Paul used to do it, like everybody, stand up, let's just start worshiping. No music, just singing and praising them. So I did that for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2:You know, for about a minute or two we do't remember her name. She comes, sits right next to me and I go, hey, what do you do? And she's like I'm a worshiper. I'm like what, yeah? And I'm like no way. And I go, would you want to lead us in worship? She's like sure, open hand, right, conduit, boom. So she started worshiping and, wouldn't you know it, she comes up for prayer the next week. She's getting all kinds of words from God, from our team. She called me. I spent like 45 minutes on the phone, talked to her about sales and about marketing her company.
Speaker 2:I'm like do you know that nobody ever calls me? I mean, I'm kind of getting down to the weeds here, but I love it. I offer. Every week I stand up there and go guys, call me man. I'm doing multi-million dollars worth of business here. I have all this wealth of knowledge I've failed so many times that I can tell you so much about how to run your business and this one girl who's willing to live like that called me like the next week, help me, let's go. I'm like I'm bringing my wife in right now and we're just going to love on you and bless you and I prayed for her. And then I get up. It's like, in Jesus name, amen, and she's just weeping, you know, and I'm like so, um, but man, I mean going. Going back to what you said about you met me, you went to my meetings.
Speaker 1:Not only that, I want to add this to that, one of the things I just remember this as you were talking one of the things that I had first heard when I walked into KWM that day was call us, because I will come to your business and I will pray over your business. That was one of the things that really launched me into it, because you were talking kingdom business, talking all that. I thought I was the only one again that was doing that and you were wide open to do that. You, miguel, all of that, and from that that was whenever I then went to your meetings and started being exposed to some different things on how you do things.
Speaker 1:But that, right, there was the giving Come, let us pray, because I was going through some nonsense, we'll just say on the acquisition of my business, and so I was really seeking out and didn't even know that I was seeking out, but just as soon as I had heard that, it was like yeah, that's something that I need, so fast forward, I went to a couple of your meetings and then you came back here and I think you had already came here once before then, but you had came back to my shop and that was whenever we had walked around and then you had came in the office and you had prayed over me and my team. Yeah, so incredibly grateful for that. So that's something that out and we are seeing that in what you just described. Yes, there's many people that have said yes, mark, I need your help.
Speaker 2:But it's great coming and praying and giving it all away. And again, when we make money on our for-profit side, we give all of our money to the apostolic ministries in our city, like Kingdom Minded, a lot of people that come to our place. You know the Roar Fest. I mean we just give it all away and we do it just to serve. I mean we just give it all away and we do it just to serve, so we're serving our community. We're not making any money. I mean we're just using the money to build the company. But, yeah, coming here and then imparting into you has just been a blessing to hear the testimonies that you've told me about your company, because you're talking to me about how you're praying with people, getting down with them. You know you come to tears with people that you know need Christ with them. You know you're, you're, you come to tears with people that you know need Christ. And it's like I.
Speaker 2:I had my team, my two top leaders, project managers, come to kingdom wealth managers one morning and I said, guys, I want them to share about what I used to look like, like, and I and I I was like, don't hold anything back. I told him I go. I want you to share it to the group, because there's Mark 1.0 and then there's Mark 2.0. I think there's Mark 3. No, we're going to Mark 3. Keep growing. God just keeps on growing us right, and I go. I want you to share what I used to be like, because I used to be crazy, pretty insane with ego and control freak and micromanaging and not being a good leader. I don't know if anybody knows which camera are we looking at? This one. So I don't know if anybody knows this, but being a leader means you have to look at yourself and say, hey, I suck sometimes and I need to grow and I need to stop being such a knucklehead. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Cancer to my team. I have become the problem, right. I want to talk about that, though. I want to get into because I think when we talk about kingdom business, I don't want for anybody that's listening to think that we've got it all figured out. We've always been this way. That's not the case at all. We are constantly learning and growing and falling down and being open to the correction that comes from the Holy Spirit is a big part of being kingdom and having a kingdom business, and so let's get into that. I want to hear a little bit about what it looked like because I think you were in business, but what it looked like before you really gave everything over to Jesus and just allowed him to take control. So how were you? And then what was that thing? That kind of propelled you into change, and then how did it look after you had made that?
Speaker 2:Okay, I'll go back to that testimony. I was going to hit on that testimony but I'll go back to that because we'll probably have a segue into it. But I read a book called the Road Back to you. It's. It's from I can't remember the author, but he's a Catholic priest and it's about the Enneagram. So I don't know if anyone's religious have there was a religious issue about the Enneagram, but anyways, it's a nine-sided behavioral matrix thing or whatever kind of, where you see where you're at and where your personality is and how you interact with certain people. And it really helped me.
Speaker 2:Look at who I was, you know, and, simply put, the author said ask two or three people this question what do you see in me that I don't see but should? So what do you see that I'm doing? That's not good and I, you, should. I need you to tell me what I'm doing so I can stop doing that, because you can see me. I can't see me and you can see my blind spot. So what's my blind spot? And then when they tell you, you can't be defensive, you have to let them tell you, because they're going to tell you something that's probably you don't want to hear, which is the whole point of the question. That's when it all changed for me, right there, and I asked my dad and he said slow down. And I asked one of the guys that worked with me and he said you think you're always right and you're not.
Speaker 2:And I was like whoa, that was a big one, man, you think you're always right and you're not. That's ego, right? I'm the leader, I'm the one who can micromanage and tell you how to do everything. And it's not about how you do it, it's just, it's about what you do. So I had to stop micromanaging everybody and saying this is what I need done. Just do it however you want, you know. And so that was right. Right about the time when I met Noel for lunch. Like I've known Noel for from ICA, our kids went to school together, but when I met him for lunch, I went to KWM. That's when my whole life changed. Right when I read that book, I went to KWM.
Speaker 2:The pandemic hit and I started reading my Bible and you were walking just to go back. You were walking with the Lord for a while. Right, right, right, yeah. So I was walking with the Lord for a while.
Speaker 2:I was a Christian that said I was a Christian, but I wasn't really a Christian. I was one of those fake Christians, one of those what's the word P was Thank you, poser. I was a poser and I still have my issues. I mean, I'm still jacked up, trying to get better. I'm working on it every day. But once I started reading my Bible, I was like, okay, this is where I need to be. And now I read five chapters a day and I've been reading the Bible through every single year for the last five, six years now, and so right around 2019 is when I really started getting deep with the Lord and going to like Lord. I want this to be your business. I want this to be your marriage. I want this to be your friend, my friendship. I want this to be everything. I want it to be yours.
Speaker 2:And that's when I started to really grow and we did the Dave Ramsey financial piece, got out of debt, we did all kinds of entre leadership seminars, we started learning about Traction, the book Traction with Gina Wickman and that's where I implemented all these meetings into my company, which really made me launch the next level. Yeah, I mean I mean that's kind of it. I mean I can go more into the employee part of it too, because I because that's a big deal too but I mean in 2019, if you, that's kind of the year where I just said, lord, I'm coming back and I'm going to do this thing like a serious man of God, because I have so many people that are depending on me and we're putting food on their table and this company and I want to grow this business and I want to serve them. I was, I was all by myself before that and then I was like you know, I need to serve these people and I really started to learn what a servant leader is all about.
Speaker 1:How did you treat your people before that time? And then, how did that shift transfer or change how you treated your?
Speaker 2:people. So I was, because I started looking at all these companies, weekly, monthly, quarterly, whatever and taking people out to lunch. I started realizing that people were kind of the same as me. Meaning the way I treated my people were was like my one friend said you think you're always right and you're not. So I was treating him like I'm right and you're wrong. Do it my way.
Speaker 2:And I was forcing myself. I was forcing everyone to move in a direction I wanted them to move, and being the visionary visionary kind of drives everybody crazy if he doesn't have an integrator. Yeah, because I had 50 ideas every week and I tried to implement about 25 of them and everyone's like, wait a second. Last week we were. We thought you were doing this, and now this week you're doing that, and I did that for years. Does that make sense? Oh, yeah, yeah. So, oh, oh, mark wanted to do that thing last week and now he wants us to do this thing and then next he wants us to just do that thing and like, what does he want us to do? Yeah, that's, and it was unfair.
Speaker 2:But the real thing was I wasn't loving them before. Even though I was a christian, I wasn't serving them. And then I started to realize I need to love these people and the Lord had to put this love in my heart. You know, and I kind of sometimes I cry when I talk and I get a little emotional, so don't mind me. But I had to let some people go. And when God put this love in my heart and I started loving on these people that I had to let go, they didn't want me to change. You know what happens, yeah, when you're a leader and you change, and people that have been around you for so long in your company, even in your family well, you can't fire your family, but they've been around you so long and all of a sudden you grow to this level of love and compassion and serving and caring about them and they don't want to grow. They got to go. They just don't line up with the core values anymore. They don't line up with what's going on in my heart and our company.
Speaker 1:So yeah, Does that make sense? Amen, yeah, 100%. And I want to kind of talk. We may bounce back to some of that, but since we touched on core values one of the things that Mark had really put me onto, because I'm big on discipleship in the marketplace and all of that, and we're big on using business as ministry and how can we use the platform that God has given us as leverage to advance his kingdom and just move out of obedience to him.
Speaker 1:And I think a lot of Christians think that that can equate to have to put up with all the nonsense. And I have to. I cannot let somebody go, and because that doesn't equate to grace or whatever, I would challenge that, because God gives us an opportunity to steward these things and it doesn't mean that we're just iron fist and one time you're gone. But if we notice these patterns and we're tracking these things and we notice that they're dragging the team down, that equates to me is not. We're not stewarding the platform and the people that God has put in front of us.
Speaker 1:And so a lot of times it can be the exact opposite of being selfish to let them go, because that can not only be good for for your business and for for God's business, but can also be good for that individual as well.
Speaker 1:And who knows, you know, who knows what that would encourage that individual to do. That was one of the first stories that I had heard from him, because and he had shared with me how he had had to let one of his top guys go when when guys started to make him aware of some of these things, and that spoke volumes to me and you know, it's kind of a great I don't want to say great area, but it's something that you tread lightly well and it has nothing to do with them. We weigh all of that, we wear all of that and I feel like with kingdom business, we have to start to pursue God and his yoke and to take his yoke on, and that helps us be able to navigate letting somebody to go, or navigate the uncertain times. So talk a little bit about that and what that was like and what led you to that.
Speaker 2:So great. That's a great way to put that man. I couldn't have put it better myself. So we're going to go into the people component. So in Traction we have six different areas that we work on and we have the vision component, which is what you were talking about the core values. But then the people component is something.
Speaker 2:As a Christian, or maybe even as somebody who's insecure with themselves which I was I still have issues with being insecure. But when you're insecure it's hard to let somebody go, and my wife can talk a little bit more on this. She didn't want to let him go. You know this, this guy that we're talking about, that I had to let go and normally if someone is pretty high up in the company and they're have a lot of responsibility, normally the owner will go. Oh you know what, if I let him go, that's going to create a lot more work for me, because now I got to find somebody else and I got to wear all that person's hats, right. So it's kind of a selfish thing to not let somebody go from your end. It's not fair to the team as well, because the whole team can see that person needs to go most of the time and when you're a leader and you finally let somebody that's toxic to the team go, everyone's like thank you. What took you so long? Right? And so we were bringing this guy in for meetings 10 meetings over the course of maybe three or four years or whatever. Was the time when I was growing and starting to become a more compassionate, loving person, caring person. He wasn't. And so finally, you know, I said, christine, we got, we got to pull the trigger and I did. And it was hard, it's not going to be easy, especially if it's one of your top guys. It's not going to be easy, and every and everyone has emotions and it's very, very scary. What are we doing? And then, later on down the road, I hired some more salespeople, because he was one of my sales guys and he was like an operations guy too, so I had to kind of give him hired multiple people to fill his seats on the bus, basically. Then, later on down the road, I hired more salespeople and I found out that they weren't lining up with our core values as well, because people can get in the door. It's my fault if they do, if they don't line up with the values, and that's why we want to make sure that they totally line up with the values over skill, like you were talking about earlier, very, very important. But somebody else came into the company and she ended up quitting because some people have to get fired and some people will just quit because they don't feel comfortable. They're like I'm not used to this.
Speaker 2:We pray for people. I'm not ashamed of it. We bring out the Bible in our meetings. We love on people. Whenever someone's going through a hard time, hey man, we lay hands on them, we anoint them with oil, and that's just what we do. And if it makes someone uncomfortable, hey, I own the place. If you don't like it, there's the door. So I mean, I'm a man of God, so I'm going to bring the word.
Speaker 2:So this one girl who was a pretty good designer she ends up leaving took a couple of our customers with her and I was very hurt and it was very hard for me not to be like. You know how the Bible says we're supposed to forgive, and I got to let this go. Well, this one was not an easy one, because I felt like I kind of got stabbed in the back a little bit. And that's going to happen, because business is kind of messy sometimes and it's cutthroat. And, miguel, he prayed over me when she quit because I just spent like five grand on her sending her to a seminar in Florida, just invested a ton of money into her, and then, boom, she leaves. Are in Florida, just invested a ton of money into her and then, boom, she leaves. I'm like what the heck? And he goes. He prayed over me, god's got a Rolodex and he's got somebody that's going to come into your company and they're going to lead you.
Speaker 2:And I just hired somebody back in November. I mean, we have these PPF meetings personal, professional, financial goals every quarter. He does his first meeting with me and, dude, this dude is like a visionary like me and I didn't even know it. I hired this guy, he's an awesome salesman and he's already going. He goes. Here's my five-year goal. I'm going to share this. I already shared it with my team, so he's not going to matter, he's not going to care, because he gave me the permission to do it. He goes.
Speaker 2:My five-year professional goal is to pick Living Water Up and move it to Phoenix in five years and franchise the company. And I'm like, oh my, and you have not. All of these prophecies and words have been spoken over me and my wife. This is going to happen and I've written it down on all my goal sheets. That's what I want to do. I want to go national and everything, and for him to say that was a confirmation to the prayer that Miguel prayed a year ago or so that God's going to bring you somebody that's going to lead you. And I was like, wow, this is good.
Speaker 2:So again, when we're business owners, we have to, and leaders, we have to, hire people that are smarter than us. Yeah, right, yes, and we have to be okay with people being better than we are. Yes, because the egotistical business owner wants to always be right and wants to be the one that knows everything and everyone is below. But the business owner who's a man of God, who's humble, who's a real leader, who puts ego out of the way, puts everybody up on top and says you guys go, I'm going to build this foundation, I'm going to keep on building the foundation. Everybody else, lead right, go ahead and lead the company, and just my ceiling is your floor right. Just go higher than I, than I can go, because for us to hit our goals of, you know, 25 million, a hundred million. There's only so much market share here in Vegas, so I have to go national right If we're going to hit those targets.
Speaker 1:So yeah, that's awesome, yeah, and it's coming, and I want to go back just a little bit and explain briefly what it is that you do. So this company is Living Water, lawn and Garden based out of Las Vegas, soon to be in a town near you, amen. So I want to talk about exactly like what you do and what you offer Right.
Speaker 2:So we create outdoor living spaces, outdoor living spaces for the residential community here in Las Vegas. We have a mission, and the reason why we get out of bed every morning is to build strong servant leaders and work with like-minded contractors so that we can serve our clients, solve problems and make a profit. That we can serve our clients, solve problems and make a profit, and that's pretty. So the mission of the business is even greater than what we do as a company. Building outdoor living spaces is patios, barbecues, pools, spas, all the landscape, planting, irrigation, lighting, rock turf. We have people that can build casitas for you, you know room additions, patio covers, whatever it is outside or attached to the house that goes outside, or build a structural. We can figure out how to do that for you If we can't do it for you. We have subs. We have people that we work with. So when we say we work with like-minded contractors, we're here to change the construction culture in Southern Nevada. I think I missed that part. So we're here to change the construction culture in Southern Nevada by building strong servant leaders, and that's the mission. So it's bigger than the company. The company is there just so that we can build leaders like you or like other people in our industry.
Speaker 2:And I don't know if you know this or not, but Vegas is known for not having very good contractors that will come to your house and take care of you, because it's a gambling, drug, alcohol kind of a town, right. So you know, it's hard to trust people when they're just fly-by-nighters and they're just, you know, oh, yeah, I can help you out. And then I just heard a story of a guy who was going to older communities marketing a legit business landscape company would take their money and then just never come back and he just got arrested like two days ago. And so there's that kind of people in town and it just gives business a bad name. But yeah, I mean, you know, we, we do all kinds of custom work. We, we do beautiful, uh, backyards. Um, we, we design build. So, uh, we're a design build company. My wife and I come out, we have designers on staff, we have sales people, uh, we do all the work in house. We have a big two acre property soon to be four acres or more, god willing but yeah, I mean, we just love.
Speaker 2:What I'm really passionate about is design Me and my wife, we are designers, we love to sit down. We do 3D renderings, we do the whole material selection. We show you everything that's going to go in your yard. You come to our office, you everything that's going to go in your yard. You come to our office, we will sign you up with a consultation, get you going and then you know. Our goal is to really make that experience of the transformation of the construction project the best thing you've ever done with your life. Because most of the time people are spending, you know, 50, 100, 200, 500 grand and that's like the one time in their life that they're ever going to do that, or maybe two. I mean, how often do you spend $200,000 or $100,000 in the backyard? It's not very often, but those are the type of people who are like I'm going to do this, I've only done it one time before or this is the first time I'm ever going to do this. It better be the best experience of your life and that's what we was to.
Speaker 1:Go out, they'll collect deposit from you and then you don't hear from them again. Yeah, they're out of news somewhere, you know. And so we come in as kingdom business and say, yeah, we're going to operate different. We're we're, we're going to operate out of integrity and all of these things, right, but it's more than that, because there's so many people that aren't kingdom that are still operating with that same, similar mindset. But we're about human development and how can we pour Christ into every interaction and transaction that we have? So it makes business not just transactional but it makes it personal and we love to get to the level where we want to go and that God's called us to go to.
Speaker 1:I've got to bring on some people that are smarter than I am, that are better than I am at doing this that they're the most rewarding things in the world. So I want to get into, I want to kind of pivot now. So we got into the very beginning years and understood that. So now let's talk about the kind of those years where growth I guess we'll start maybe 2019, 2020. I want to talk about where I get into some culture and leadership. So those are two things like culture and leadership. How did you change your culture? What did you do? What does it look like now? How do you view leadership within your business and growing servant leadership?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I always got to go back to the traction model. I mean, the traction model changed my business because I had to put systems and processes in place, systemize my company, and you know it was like a whole new world opened up for me once I started, to a system that works. And this traction model has worked for, you know, hundreds of thousands of companies all over the country, probably the world. And now I'm onto a new book called the EOS lifestyle, which I can get into later.
Speaker 2:But one thing that changed my business was I hired somebody to pray. So I got like a she's a chaplain, we can call her a, I don't know. She's like I got a doc, she's a doctor, she's, she's an amazing woman of God and anytime we have an issue it goes to Alma. Alma, we need prayer. Got an issue with a client? Alma, we need prayer. Got an issue with health, health issue with somebody Alma, we need prayer. So we have some and she prays with a prayer chain around the world. So when we have an issue, we go to the word and we go to prayer. And it's going on all over the world for living water, for living water issues, because I'm like, yeah, right, kingdom. So that's one thing that changed the company, I would say significantly.
Speaker 2:Again, the attraction model, the core values, are huge. If you're in business and you don't have core values, stop what you're doing. Stop what you're doing right now. Write down your core values and live by them. Hire fire, make every decision with them, do everything that you can with those core values and everything where it'll line up on those guardrails. And if they're outside of those guardrails, don't do it.
Speaker 2:We take pride in our work and continually strive for excellence cool people that are easy to work with. We serve and care about people and we're respectful and conscientious. If you don't display those, then we've got to bring them for a meeting and we have to talk, and then we'll let you back out and go for it, right, but as long as you're in those guardrails. And the thing is, when you're the owner now you have to do it too, right? So if I'm going to have these core values, I have to display them, so I have to hold myself accountable to them in front of everybody. So that was a huge thing.
Speaker 2:And then, of course, the core folks, which was the mission statement, is a big deal, because the whole team has to recite the core values and the mission statement At our quarterly meetings. We give them money if they can do it and we want it to be memorized and ingrained. And we want people walking down the halls in our office speaking out the core values and speaking out the core focus man, because once you get everybody on the same page, rowing in the same direction, there's no stopping a business like that, and a business like that can thrive in any economy too. So whether it's good or bad man it's, the business is going to keep on going. If everyone's rowing in the same direction, that's awesome, yeah.
Speaker 1:Speaking of everybody rowing in the same direction. I know there's a number of different ways that I that I do that here, and you know a lot of that starts up at the top right. So it starts with how we lead, and are we leading our people appropriately? Are we leading by example, or are we just up there using our words in order to divert people to where we want them to go? And I'm big on being the example and showing people this is the way that we do it, rather than telling them you have to do it this way.
Speaker 1:And that's what I've seen within my business. I've seen people really step up to the plate at that point yeah, and because it's like theirs, they're able to take ownership of that. Yeah, that's been a good way. There's other ways as well. I'm exploring some competitive pay, like some incentive-based pay that help people run at the same pace. So touch on that just a little bit more. Unpack that getting people to run at the same pace. What was it like in that transition whenever you went from kind of your the top down leadership style to full team?
Speaker 2:So, yeah, we have incentives, bonuses, we have different things that we do to reward people. I definitely like agree with what you said, which is here's, here's the way I would do it. I want you to mingle my way with your way, and and and and. You know, make it happen that way or you can do it your own way, but this is what, this is the result we need. So I'm not really concerned about how we get there, I just want to get there and I want to get there effectively and timely. But you know, simon Sinek has a book called Start With why.
Speaker 2:I'm reading that right now, are you? Yeah, okay, so the very last chapter. You should probably read that one and go back, because I play that last chapter for my team at least once a year. I have it on Audible, so it's like 10 minutes and the last chapter is so powerful and he talks about this runner and he has cerebral palsy and he loses every single race he runs.
Speaker 2:But the point of the whole story is that he competes against himself every single day. So I play this to my team and I said we are not competing against the people out there. We bring our competition in and show them kind of. You know, we don't show them our secret sauce, but we, you know, help them with business. I bring my competition over to our office and I show them new things that are going on in the market and new materials and whatever. You train them, right? Yeah, we train our competition and I'm showing my team this like we're not competing against them. We're competing against getting better ourselves every single day, you know, and that's huge because, if you know and I, I challenged my leadership team to to learn and to grow and to read books and the notes in the podcast.
Speaker 2:So it's, you're a, you're a lifelong learner. Right, I'm a lifelong learner. We're just constantly devouring content and getting as much knowledge as we can. My mission is to get my team to do the same thing and hire people that are like that. So I mean, if you do that and you get your team all rowing in the same direction with that kind of mindset of being a lifelong learner, and changing is hard and a lot of people don't want to change, you know no-transcript.
Speaker 1:that will kind of touch on um, their one, three, five-year goals and personal, professional, financial, get into all of that and break that down and and um, I think those are ways that they really help getting people to move in that same direction. But it also exposes who's right and who's not. You know, for your team so you talked about you know getting better and all of that, and I know we're both big believers and it starts with us right. We're at the top of the company. We have to be the one that's driving this growth Right. So what are you working on right now and what have you continuously or consecutively or consistently worked on that has helped you?
Speaker 2:grow? Wow, good question. So right now I'm working on slowing down right One of my blind spots and I'm working on working less. When you're an entrepreneur, you're kind of turning this workaholic, and I don't want to be a workaholic. I want to spend some time and enjoy my life. I want to spend some time and enjoy my life. I want to enjoy my family, enjoy my wife. So one of my goals I'm a big believer in setting goals and you know the one three, five, or the one three, 10, whatever year goals, um, but I'm working on taking time out.
Speaker 2:Now. I have a clarity break once a once a month where I don't do any work for the whole day on a Friday, not on a Sunday. So I do respect the Sabbath. Of course. I take the Sabbath off. I don't turn on my computer, I don't do any business on the Sabbath, but now I'm doing a clarity break once a month where I'm just completely shutting out the business, which is really hard to do, and my goal is to take four weeks off, completely off this year, once every quarter. My goal is to take four weeks off completely off this year, once every quarter and I'm just working on meditating and just being with God and just like getting into a quiet place.
Speaker 2:Because it's just, if you were, if you were inside my head, you'd be like, oh my gosh, what's wrong with you? You know, just constantly going, I get it. It's never. It just never stopped, yeah, never. It's like I wake up and it's like, oh, I got 10 ideas right now. I got to read my Bible first. Hang on, lord, I'm going to put you first. But yeah, so I mean, that's what I'm working on slowing down, that's what I'm working on right now. That's awesome.
Speaker 1:It's so big for people to hear that too, because one of the things that God's put on me is you know, we're hustlers, not just where I want to go, but where I believe God's called me to go. That hustler has to die and we have to kill that off, because that's when we truly start to understand the art of delegation, the art of empowering others. That gives us more time to spend with our family and more time to be intentional about some of those other things. I love that man because so many people think that and there's seasons, right, I'm coming off of a season where you work 12, 14, 16 hour days, you know, and it's part of it's part for the course. You have to do that Exactly and I'm grateful I've got a wife that understands those things and she's like, while you're doing that, I'm going to be taking care of some things at the house and she takes care of our daughter, does some other things, because she knows that within a couple of weeks and we were right back doing the things, but she supplements that.
Speaker 1:I know Christine is, is awesome as well and support you and vice versa. I mean, I love y'all's. We're going to do a part two, by the way for all the listeners and have have his team. Yeah, please Can.
Speaker 2:I do a teaser, christine teaser. So my wife, she's amazing, but I want to. I wanted to share more about this, but she'll tell you that, um, I really didn't start to grow until I started listening to my wife all the time. I mean, I just constantly like, whatever she says, I'm doing it. Rarely give her any pushback anymore. I used to be very selfish and just do it all my way. But, men, your wives, your wives are blessings. God put them in your life for a reason. Please listen to them. If you do that, man, you're, you're going to be good, you're going to be good to go and, uh, even, even if she's not involved with the business directly, still still.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, oh yeah, anything like, like she, I'm the visionary, she's the integrator. So I have the 50 million ideas. She says, no, those are all stupid, we'll just do this one, okay, and I just, she just has amazing instincts. But yeah, I, I really, really have changed and started to change when I started listening to her and completely submitting to her. But she'll say she'll be like, look, if there's a decision that needs to be made and she's one way and I'm the other way and I believe that I want to go my way, she's going to come underneath me and submit and she's going to let me be the man of the house and she's going to say, okay, no-transcript. I mean, she has a great intuition. She's very, very skilled with her skill set of being with people and she's a great business person. I could not do this without my wife.
Speaker 2:Getting back to the people, the one thing I wanted to say about pouring into the people in your company is there's two issues with the company. One is people and the other one is your people have issues with money. Your people are one of your issues of growing and then one of their issues is money problems, and so we teach our people about finances and we pour into them and we show them how to get out of debt, we show them how to save money, we show them how to invest and we show them how to be wise with their money. And when you get your people wise and they and it takes time, you know you have to be patient. It takes, you know, in the field or in the office or whatever, because they're not stressed out. You know, because eight out of 10 people are living paycheck to paycheck and the number one problem with marriages is money, you know. So if we can get that problem solved, your people are going to work at a high, high level. That's a big deal and the PPFs are huge personal, professional, financial goals. I just want to say have meetings with your people once a quarter whether you call it a PPF or just call it a review or whatever once a quarter and find out what's going on for your people, right, like, be actually interested in their life. I find that if I am interested in their life, we're going to get down on a cellular like level where we can work together as a organism. That's everyone's working, like I said, rolling in the same direction.
Speaker 2:But people, what does it say what do they say? People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care. I mean, like, when you start talking about, like their family and their home and what's going on with their parents or their kids or whatever man people, they'll, they'll run through walls for you, you know, and they'll. I mean I have one guy who's one of my main guys and he tells me he loves me all the time, you know, and he says God bless you. And he and he just, can you pray for me?
Speaker 2:And you know, like I told my whole team, like the beginning of the year we had our first meeting, I said look, guys, we are in a construction field here where there's no love. It's F this and screw that and da, da, da, da, and everyone's fighting against each other and everyone's competing against each other within the company. I'm better than you. We're doing it different. We're loving each other, you know.
Speaker 2:And I and I tell them do you love being with your, your fellow employee here, do you? Do you love him? And and then when I go out on the job site, I hug them every time. Every time I see my guys, I give them a hug. How you doing. Love you, man. What's going on? I mean, that might take a year or two to kind of break the mold if you've never done that before, but start doing that and you will be way ahead of the game, because people love to be loved, people want to be loved. The Bible says that God is love, and when we come from that place and we love on our people, man, they are going to do anything you want you know, in a good way, of course, but I mean they're going to make your company so successful man.
Speaker 1:So that just makes me think about, you know, that's kingdom. When we talk about kingdom business, it's like so what does that practically look like on a day to day basis? And I think there's so many businesses out there that are transactional. And yeah, we're just we're. We're performing a task for the client and that's it. You know, our, our employees or the, our subs or whoever it is that's doing that's completing that task. They're there until they're not, and then they'll be back tomorrow and we're just transactional. And so we remove the personality from it, remove the relationship aspect of it.
Speaker 1:And what I see in the Bible and what I see as being a kingdom business is we have to be different. We are called to more, we are called to love our people and elevate our people, and it's so awesome when we start to see our people that I've had guys that have told me I've never had a boss be this way. I've never had a boss pull me into the office and do these things, and it made them very uncomfortable at the very beginning, to where they were very defensive and they did not receive it, and then you just keep being you, you don't cram it down their throat, you respect where they're at. You meet them where they're at and the next thing you know they pull you aside during a serve day or during a quarterly meeting and they're ready to give their life to the Lord on the clock. And those are the ways that we do. It is is is, little by little, we start to make these, make these connections with them, to where they understand that, yeah sure, they're signing the checks and cutting the checks and providing the work and doing all of that, but they really do care. And I feel like that may need to be a a a, a shift in hearts or perspective or a viewpoint of business.
Speaker 1:For for a lot of us and I was one of them, you know I was with my last business I was very transactional. I did not know the Lord. The business existed to pad my pockets and so that I could go and do what I wanted to do. And I think, being kingdom, you're like man. I want to die to that.
Speaker 1:I actually would much rather be obedient to what God wants me to do and I don't like, I don't like. How quickly can I cut this check and give this away, because I don't want for it to ever have an opportunity to have my heart or even have a portion of my mind. And when God starts to make that shift in your heart and make you a new creation and you become less resistant to that, that's when you start to really see. Your clients start to treat you a little bit differently. Even clients that may not have been happy with you before. They can see something different in you. And you always give God all the glory. Your people start to come up to you and ask you questions. That's what it's all about. So that's what it makes me think about when you say that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know what. You are a great example, because what you do here and what we do is we're like a father to these people. You know, like God's given us an authority to say, okay, these people may have never prayed in their life, they may have never even opened the Bible, they may have even read a scripture, they may have never even been to church, so like we're the closest thing to church, to Jesus, that they'll ever meet or be with. Because, let's face it, I mean we're going to go back to that change again. It's hard to change, but you said like you said little by little, you said, okay, this day, this week, this month, I'm going to keep on loving you, I'm going to keep on praying for you, and I mean you're a great example of that. And then, you know, our wives get to become like a mother to people. You know, and again, that's huge. Yeah, yeah, man, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:I want to talk about. We're getting to the end. I want to talk about the art of delegation real quick, because I feel like that's something that can help propel people to another level. So let's talk about that just briefly. And then I want to get into something supernatural. I want to hear how I'll ask the question, but I want to hear something. I want to hear some supernatural.
Speaker 2:Okay, cool Delegation. Yeah, I mean you got to delegate to grow, Like we were talking about before. There's a me leader, a we leader, us leader. So in order for you to grow your company to where you want it to go and to get, I mean, a company that's not growing is declining and will eventually fail. So you want to keep on growing the business every single year and that is by delegating.
Speaker 2:And that's one of the things on my list. It's actually in my task list. I have it in there all the time. It's delegate one thing to somebody every quarter off of my plate. So, as long as I'm delegating the things that I do, just think about all the tasks that you do every day. Write down all of the important things that you do not, the stuff that you love to do, the stuff that you need to do that you don't love to do, that somebody else is better than you at. I do the stuff that you need to do, that you don't love to do, that somebody else is better than you at.
Speaker 2:I am working on giving that one thing, or there's probably about 10 of them, giving one of those things away to somebody every single quarter, which means I have to build a leader up in that area and say here, this is how I do it, this is how I think we should do it. What do you think about that? Well, how would you like to do it? Or whatever, and then fully give that over to you. And again, I tell this to all my team all the time don't be afraid to fail.
Speaker 2:People have such a problem with being perfect and there's a lot of perfectionism and a perfectionist spirit that I just want to blow up because it's just, we're all messed up right, we're all jacked up, we all have issues right. So I really encourage my team to fail, and fail fast, make a decision quick and then don't do that again and I'm okay, Don't lose a million dollars. But eventually I got to be pulled away from the company and let my team grow without me. You know, if I'm going to grow to where I want to go, I have to go on vacation for a week, turn the phone off and be like come back, hey, how did we do? You know? And if, if we lost some money or whatever great, they have to learn how to grow. They need me to go away just as much as I need me to go away so that they can grow.
Speaker 1:Does that make sense? A hundred percent? Yeah, yeah, um, yeah, I'm reminded of a story that I heard from a guy that's kingdom as well. His name is lead Domingue. I don't know him personally, but he shares a story about how he started to separate himself from his team in the morning time and he got started to really expose to him you need to be praying, be an intercessor for just everybody around you. And so he started to pray in that, 30 minutes, 10 minutes, turned into 30 minutes, turned into an hour, two hours, three hours to the point where whenever he would go to his team or go to the office, his team would be like you need to go, you don't need to be here right now, you need to do whatever it is that you were doing.
Speaker 1:And that's such a big part of saying God, this is your business. And I think it's something that every believer wrestles with, or every kingdom entrepreneur or kingdom business person wrestles with, is living in that surrender and living in that God, this is yours. I am the steward of that, and there's so many times whenever something's not going our way. Maybe we haven't sold a job in a while and we want to take it back into our hands because we can make it happen faster or we can make something happen and kingdom business says no, I'm going to recognize whenever I do that and I'm going to back off.
Speaker 2:So here's a story and this will kind of lead into the supernatural too. It's a supernatural and it's a delegating story all at the same time. In November, we were starting to slow down and the market was really weird towards the end of the year last year and we weren't doing, we weren't making a lot of sales, and so December and January were tough. We have six crews, seven crews. We were trying to keep them all busy and you know, if they don't, we don't have work, they don't have food on the table, right, right, yeah, so we had to kind of go down the five crews and kind of consolidate things.
Speaker 2:And julia, our cfo, my daughter, she is starting to break down emotionally every week. I mean maybe about a week here, a week there, whatever, not like every week. But she was breaking down in front of the team, crying, crying, like a panic attack. I don't know what we're going to do. We need work. And Christina and I are just like do you remember what God did last year? Do you remember where we were at? We lost $40,000 on a job in 2023. We had $800,000 that people owed us that they weren't paying. That was before Christmas last year. Remember that? Yeah, I'm like we're here. Now we're going to watch God do it again.
Speaker 2:My wife and I were just super, just at peace, and my daughter is freaking out. I love you, julia. She's amazing. We had to delegate this to her not the worrying part, but for her to be a leader in the company. She had to go through this, which was hard. And here we are. We're busy again, everyone's all working, we got jobs, we're rolling and it's good. But sometimes you got to let your people go through hard times and just let them deal with it for them to grow, and that's how you delegate right and then let the Lord do what he's going to do in them Make sense yeah, a hundred percent, man, that's awesome, yeah, um.
Speaker 1:So last question for you and um, and then we'll wrap up. I really want to. I want to pray, um, I would love for you to pray, yeah, okay With that, um, and specifically, we want to pray for everybody listening, um, and to care a great deal about, uh, maybe, maybe you're a believer, but you haven't, you know, started operating your business as a kingdom business. I really hope that Mark's story and some of these principles that he's applied to his business, and our prayers, that that would that, that would help y'all make that transition, because no in scripture does it say that things are going to be smooth sailing and that same thing goes for business, like whenever you have kingdom business.
Speaker 1:It doesn't mean that you're always going to be flourishing, profit wise and have all of this sense of money, but it does mean that we have the giver of all things peace, love, joy. We have everything that we need when we press into God and whenever we give everything over to God in those moments right, because there's so many times when I find myself not doing that, and yesterday was one of them I had to walk back to the corner of my lot and I just spent a few minutes in prayer and gave that over to the Lord and we got to do that sometimes. You know so, kind of just just to finish this off, what are you most excited for for for the future? Paint me a vision for for where you, your business, your family, relationship with the Lord. Whatever it is, what's coming up for Mark?
Speaker 2:So you know, I'm really, really passionate about Kingdom Wealth Managers. You know it's a ministry that we do for business owners and entrepreneurs and leaders. My passion is to teach people how to do business and do it the way the Bible shows us and the way Jesus taught us, because I mean, jesus went into the marketplace to raise up the disciples. He didn't go into the temple, the synagogue, right. So the marketplace is a great place to have the freedom and thank you for this. You know living in a capitalist country where we can live in a free market system, but my passion is to teach people in the future how to keep on growing and do the business, do their businesses and hopefully I can help them not make the same mistakes that I've made. And I think I have some pretty good advice. I think I have some pretty good battle wounds and scars and failures that I can learn from and teach people. I'm really passionate about that. I mean I want to see we have a Kingdom Wealth Managers Summit this year At the end of the year. We're going to bring in speakers. It's going to be blown out. It's going to be awesome. So I want to start having these seminars. I want to start doing these conferences to just have people come and learn from other men of God, women of God, leaders in the marketplace.
Speaker 2:I want to write a book this year with my wife about how to do business with your wife. I don't think we have a name for it yet, but it's basically how to do business right alongside your spouse, and whenever I you know, whenever we're with somebody or a client or even some of our employees, they're like I could never work with my husband, I can never work with my wife and I. We hear that a lot, but it takes both husband and wife humbling themselves, you know, and just really loving each other to work together, and we're really passionate about that. So I want to teach people and through this book and we've already have some of it written Um, I'm, I'm going to put it all together this year. God willing, we'll, we'll release it this year, yeah, yeah, in Jesus name. But, uh, I'm passionate about marriage. I'm passionate about that as well. Um, so that's where I'm at. That's awesome man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, how would love for people to have access to you, like I have access to you. Yeah, if you would be open to that. Um, how can I get ahold of you? Just call me.
Speaker 2:Can I get my phone number? Sure, it's a 702-400-1212. Um, we're at living water LV. Uh, I don't even know my handles, man, I don't know if you can edit that Instagram. Yeah, you can edit that. Put that in the description below. It's on the screen. And then KWM is KWM TV on YouTube. It's KWM TV and we are what do you call it casting? We're live streaming every Friday at 930 at KWM TV. So take a look at that. It's a's a great message. And uh, call me, text me, I don't care. Uh, blow my phone up. Uh, I love to share with you everything that you, any questions you might have. Uh, I'm here for you. I'm here to serve. I want to serve you.
Speaker 1:So yeah, that's awesome, man. Well, this did not disappoint. Um, I'm just man, I'm grateful. I've learned a ton of things from you, so I want to honor you and I know earlier I gave you a letter. It goes through some of these things here but, man, I actually touched on it with your wife.
Speaker 1:The way that you speak about your wife behind her back is one thing that I have really gleaned and learned from you. That's very powerful to me. I've known a lot of opposite of that and so to see that in action has encouraged and empowered me to do the same. I fail a lot really do. But, man, me and my wife, we love working together and I mean I trust her. She's a go-getter, she hears from the Lord and she's very similar hey, look out for this or hey, look at that. So if y'all have the opportunity to do that, man, we highly recommend it. It'll challenge you, it'll help you grow, also as an individual and as a man. But I want to honor you on that, man and how you treat your people, how you're selfless and you're a servant. You know great leader, you're always available. You know every time that I've called you, texted you, you've always been available. You know every single time, invited me to different things, invited me to your birthday, welcomed me in with your family and introduced me to everybody your mom, everybody, man so just incredibly honored for that, grateful to know you and have you as part of just in my circle. We're going to do a lot of good things together, man, already. This is this is one of many things that we've, that's many conversations that we've had, and I'm just grateful for that. So, for everybody that is out there, reach out to them. But we would love it if you downloaded, liked or shared this episode, no matter where you're listening to it. Please share it with friends.
Speaker 1:Again, our mission is to bring the kingdom to the marketplace. I believe that we have a unique opportunity as kingdom business people to transform this world, but it starts with you. You have to be working on yourself and working on your business and your family. Your relationship with the Lord is the most important thing, because everything flows from that. You make yourself like a vessel, or you allow God to purify you into a vessel that he can use, and you'll be amazed, man, god will take you through some of the craziest things, some of the most beautiful things, some of those challenging times, but you will maintain that peace and that joy throughout those moments and when you don't, you know exactly why, and you can go right into that what a God we serve. We're going to pray. We'd love for Mark to pray over every listener out there, so let's get into it.
Speaker 2:So, before we pray, I just want to say you are one of my most favorite entrepreneurs. Brothers in Christ, this guy's amazing when you call, when you text. I cannot wait to get back to you because he's just got so much going on in his brain. I want to hear all about it. So I appreciate you and I honor you as well, and I thank you for being. I thank you for allowing me to be here. I really do so. I'm excited about what's going to happen, too, in the future.
Speaker 2:It's not easy to be a Christian. It's messy, but man, it's fun, it's exciting and God's always doing great stuff. So let's pray. So, father, we just thank you, lord. I thank you for Matt and his wife and his business and his family, lord, and we just pray for this podcast that you would just blast this net out there, that everyone would hear it, that whoever does hear it, father, god, that they would learn, that they would grow, that they would want to change.
Speaker 2:I pray that your people would be inspired to change. To put you first, there's no weapon formed against us that shall prosper, and you did not give us a spirit of fear, but a power of love and a sound mind. So I just pray for love, lord, to go out into this message. I pray that people would hear the message of love. I pray that they would love on their people, love on their spouses, love on their family and, mainly, love on you, father. So we just thank you. Thank you for Jesus, thank you for the blood, lord, we just ask that you just cover all of this right now in your blood and with who you are. Father God, we just thank you that you have amazing, amazing grace and mercy and, lord, you're just amazing and so awesome. So we just pray, in the name of Jesus, that you bless this podcast, bless my brother, bless the future podcasts and his business and our business and your business. So I pray your business be blessed in Jesus' name Amen.