Avodah Talk w/ Matt Walton
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Avodah Talk w/ Matt Walton
Hearing God in Business: A Conversation with Miguel Garcia
What separates a truly Kingdom-focused business from one that simply has Christian trappings? Miguel Garcia, prophet and business mentor, joins Matt Walton to unpack this critical distinction.
Miguel cuts through religious facades to reveal that Kingdom business isn't about prayer meetings or Bible verses on walls—it's about complete heart surrender. He explains how business owners often compartmentalize, giving God control of certain areas while keeping tight reins on finances. This spiritual division prevents the supernatural multiplication God offers: "Two fish plus five loaves equals feeding 15,000 people. Who's going to complain with that?"
The conversation dives deep into practical revelation as Miguel shares how the wealthy's true challenge isn't giving money but surrendering control. Through biblical examples like Abraham and Isaac, he illustrates that obedience plus sacrifice equals resurrection power—the divine equation for transforming failing companies into thriving enterprises.
Most powerfully, Miguel reveals how hearing directly from God transforms business decisions more effectively than any book or podcast. Matt shares personal testimonies of receiving divine downloads for his company's systems, partnerships and strategies during mountain retreats with God. They discuss how unforgiveness blocks business breakthrough, why family relationships must be healthy for kingdom businesses to thrive, and why the current revival is happening through marketplace leaders rather than traditional platforms.
Whether you're struggling with control, seeking supernatural business growth, or wondering why your Christian business isn't experiencing breakthrough, this conversation offers transformative wisdom for entrepreneurs ready to move beyond religious activity into genuine Kingdom partnership.
What's up guys? This is Matt with Avoda Talk, or the Real Matt Walton. This is your hub for all things Kingdom Business Business as Ministry Business Strategy. My goal is to provide as much value, minute by minute, each podcast that you listen to. So let's get to it.
Speaker 1:This is Matt Walton with Avoda Talk, or at the Real Matt Walton, depending on how you found me and welcome back. So I am extremely excited today for my guest. I will introduce him here in a second Um, but first I want to share just some updates. Man, we've been dialing some things in within my business. Um, sales are on the up and up. Um, there's so many things. I'm bringing new people on board that are kind of niche experts that are going to help us get to where I believe the Lord is calling us to go. And so if you want to watch a company go from failing from the company that I bought being a company that was failing to a company that is doing over a million, and we'll be doing multi-millions and we'll get into doing 50 to a hundred million dollars and we're going for a hundred million dollar evaluation as we pursue possibly selling the business or just growing this business to sell it so that we can have that decision to make in a few years. So if you want to come along with that journey, this is a great podcast to listen to, because I will do my best to fill y'all in on everything that I am learning as I go.
Speaker 1:But the main thing is, this is a kingdom business, and so what that means is that when things look like maybe you're in a position to where you have to make a decision, do I lay somebody off, or do I not take this much, or do I have to not do this this month? Whenever you're really at that point in your business, my best advice to give somebody is. The world says let me lay somebody off to free some capital, but the kingdom says just meet me, like God is just saying come, speak to me, let me guide you in that decision. And if God gives you clarity to make that decision, that's awesome. But if he does not give you that clarity of decision, your responsibility as a kingdom business owner is to stay patient, to not jump ahead of God, to follow behind God and to listen to what God says. Regardless, if you get down to nothing and you have no clue how it's going to happen, wait on the Lord rather than going ahead of the Lord, and that's one of the biggest things that makes a kingdom business is just that obedience. It's hearing from the Lord, being obedient and waiting on the Lord when he's not speaking to you and whenever it seems like everything is crashing down on you, and just waiting for His guidance, Because then, and only then, will you receive real, real clarity and have that peace because of your ability and your desire to wait on the Lord. So, anyways, I just I felt like that was for somebody today, so I wanted to share that. But thank you guys for tuning in. I'm very excited.
Speaker 1:Miguel Garcia Miguel Garcia, excuse me with us today. So welcome Miguel. Nice to be here. Matt, so Miguel is.
Speaker 1:So I met Miguel at KWM, which is is it Kingdom Wealth Managers? Yes, yes, correct, okay, it's a. It's an entrepreneur hub here in Las Vegas, and I'm going to list off just some accolades of of of Miguel. He also goes by Mike, so Miguel or Mike Garcia. So if you want to look him up like on Amazon, you know and see some of the books that he's written, just search, search that, and I promise you you will be blessed with his books.
Speaker 1:He is extremely gifted in teaching and also in writing. A couple other men operate something that's very special that's geared towards kingdom entrepreneurs. He's also in the medical industry. He is one of the, if not the most gifted teacher I've ever had the privilege of sitting under. He is a prophet and I do not use that term lightly at all, but he has prophesied some things over my wife and over myself, um, through letters, and it's awesome. We stepped back two years back now, or two years ago that happened, and we're watching these things come, come to fruition, and I can't wait to share that with you. But it's, it's, uh, it's, it's awesome. He's a father, um, he is a servant of God, he's an author, a co-author, um, and a business owner and um, um and a and a husband and so, um. So that, in a nutshell, I know we're missing a lot of things, but that's kind of some things that you do. Yeah, thank you, um.
Speaker 1:Last thing I'll say and then I'll, then we'll hop right into it is I met Miguel through KWM. So I was actually talking to a buddy of mine who was trying to get me to go there, because when I got out to Vegas after I bought the business, it was. I thought I was the only one talking about kingdom business. I didn't even know. It was like a thing like where a bunch of people were about kingdom business. Yeah, and one of my buddies I was, I just bought my business and I was within the first six months or so and I was outside doing every doing a lot of the work back there so that I could learn how to do everything and so that I can operate this business effectively. And during that time I just didn't have the time to go. And so one of my buddies was like hey, I didn't see you at the Bible study this last week and I'm like dude, I just don't have the time. And he's like, dude, you don't, you can't afford not to go. And so that stuck with me.
Speaker 1:I actually went the following week and then met a group of men and women but it was specifically like you, mark, and I mean Rob. I mean there was Noel, I mean several guys that were doing kingdom business stuff, talking. It was like I learned so much more. My, my appetite and hunger for Christ just grew rapidly. I was studying scripture in a very detailed way, but you put me on to a brand new way of kind of studying scripture and especially with the Old Testament and tying it to the New Testament. Yeah, so man, just grateful for that. So that, in a nutshell, is how we met and we've been. He's been a mentor from afar. We go out to lunch quite a bit and man, he always just pours into me and so I'm incredibly grateful for our relationship.
Speaker 2:Thank you for honor and honor and be like this. Sometimes we don't know that's how the kingdom is. You know, we really don't know the impact that we're doing because we're so caught up in trying to please God with our lives. You know, and it's and it's, it's a road like this, it's a road like this, and so when you hear stuff like that, you're like really, and it's good. I like that because it keeps me humble, real humble. And so we started KWM, because about seven and a half, eight years ago, because we didn't um, they're small groups. You know, we all go to church, we all serve, we all do stuff like that, but there was no small groups for entrepreneurs or business owners, and so that's why we started kwm to, uh, teach I. I won't teach anything that I have not lived through. It's just foreign to me. I have to have lived through it, experimented through it, and so I teach.
Speaker 2:The Bible is all about business. It's all about but it's specific though there's worldly business and there's kingdom business, and Jesus kind of put that in perspective, because he spoke about what? Two things, more than anything, three things Kingdom of heaven, his father's kingdom perspective, because he spoke about what? Two things, more than anything, three things Kingdom of heaven, his father's kingdom, satan and money. Those three things. We could spend years talking about those three things. And so we opened it up and I'm probably the lead teacher there, because all I want to do is teach the Bible.
Speaker 2:This is a biblical perspective and I always tell friends look, it's simple, we make it hard. Religion, you know the spirit of religion, the spirit of fear and the spirit of poverty are the three things that will choke out families, choke out businesses that want to make their business about the kingdom, choke out cities, nations. Understanding those three things. And then it allows me to teach things. We always say KWM, you want me to keep it real or do you want me to sugarcoat it? Because keeping it real, I'm going to tell you the truth, you know, because when it comes to I always say there's a fine line because we're in business, we're in commerce.
Speaker 2:If the business is important to you, if your business is your Isaac you know Abraham had Isaac If it's your Isaac, you want your business to grow up and excel. If it's important to you, then it's important to God. Seek first the kingdom of God and all its righteousness, and then all these things shall be added unto you. The word all means what's your all. I would say what's your all? What do you want your all to be? I always tell people make a covenant with God. God's all about covenant. He's all about we're, his sons and daughters, and he's the father. He's the father of all creation and you can make any covenant you want, because all you're going to learn in a covenant is one thing he never breaks it, and we do, and that's a learning project there, especially when you falter in the covenant. You know man.
Speaker 1:I can't, I can't wait to get into those covenants because I've been studying and that's a learning project there, especially when you falter in the covenant man.
Speaker 2:I can't wait to get into those covenants, because I've been studying, like in Genesis, the Abramic covenant.
Speaker 1:So before we get into that, I want to talk about kingdom business. And what is kingdom business and how can you talk about seek first the kingdom of God? I feel like even a lot of Christian business owners aren't in the kingdom necessarily because we can pursue jobs and money and accolades over the kingdom. That just a way that I would summarize that.
Speaker 2:But how would you summarize kingdom business? You know that's a very good question, because when I'm at KWN and I'm teaching and then you know, you hear people say, well, my business is a kingdom business. And then someone like me or anybody else it would say what makes your company a kingdom company? Like what part of your company? And in business terminology I'll say give it a percentage. Does your company serve anything greater than yourself? You know, like you're the leader. See, you have to understand leadership too.
Speaker 2:Adam and Eve, god. When everything went sour. God's looking for Adam, not Eve. And so he was in charge of what Garden of Eden. It was his. He was given one specification.
Speaker 2:One divine restraining order is you could do everything, you want anything, just don't touch that tree over there. Just don't do that, because for God to be God, he had to give him a choice, black and white. He had to give him a choice because if he didn't, he wouldn't be God. He has to give us a choice, the freedom of choosing, not being forced to. And so when you start talking about leadership, what is a kingdom business? To me it's like what puts God's thumbprint on your business, like he does our lives. You'll accept Jesus Christ into your life, you sanctify yourself. Paul says the least we could do is put ourselves on the altar a living sacrifice.
Speaker 2:What part of your business is, since you're the leader and you're the owner, is kingdom. You know, some people I say, oh, give it a percentage. Like, is 10%, 10% of everything? Does it serve his purposes or zero? Cause I deal with a lot of people that zero, they're nothing. I don't give nothing. It's all about maximizing self-interest and I go well then that's not the kingdom. The kingdom is about serving the kingdom that Jesus talked about. You know, it has to serve a purpose and so we're always saying you know, maximizing self-interest is not really kingdom. So I teach people, you can actually take your company, consecrate it to the Lord and saying Lord, this is the okay, and sacrifice serving it involves exactly everything that Jesus did. And there's like, what is the purpose of your company? Because it can't just be I'm lining my pocketbooks, or of course we want it to be successful, but if that's all it serves, then it's really not serving the kingdom, the kingdom that Jesus talked about.
Speaker 2:You know, and one of the best examples that I just taught recently was this the rich, young ruler. You guys know who he is right. Remember the rich young ruler. Here's the scary part about the rich young ruler. He had the courage to ask Jesus what could I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus was already nice because he was a divine revelation inside of him. He already knew what his problem was, but he persisted and he wanted to know.
Speaker 2:And the rich young ruler had a lot of money, probably inherited it. And he said well, sell all you have, give it to the poor and follow me. Three things sell, give, follow. Now there are other religions that will say you see, you've got to be poor to serve God. No, no, that ain't what that's saying.
Speaker 2:He was trying to get him to the revelation, to understand who his true God is. Sell, give, follow. See, the selling is whether you're going to be obedient, okay. Giving is whether you're going to sacrifice, and follow is where you're going to get developed into the Bill Gates of your time, for all the right reasons. In other words, he was going to do with the rich man the same thing he did with the two loaves and the five the two fish and the five loaves. He probably would have been some big guy, because whatever you give to the kingdom. It multiplies, it just multiplies, right.
Speaker 2:And then he finally well, I do all that, I go to church, I go to the synagogue, I honor my mom and dad and he goes. You lack one thing, and that's what I tell people. What is it, that one thing that you lack? In other words, he showed him who his true God was. He says he went away sad, crying, because he wasn't willing to depart from his riches. So Jesus called him out on your true God is not me or Jehovah. Your true God is your riches. That's who your true God is. The scary part about that story is he was a churchgoer, he followed the law, he paid tithes, he did all that. But even doing all that, in his religious set, he still put money and things above God and he called them out on it.
Speaker 1:That makes me think of King Uzziah. I was studying King Uzziah a couple of weeks ago and we get to the end of King Uzziah's story and how his pride was the thing that ruined him. Yes, but it made me think, you know, like religion and pride are two of the things that go hand in hand. Yes, and we a lot of times we do. We become more spiritual whenever we're in our pride, and spirituality hides the very fact that we're literally in sin. And that's what we see with King Uzziah was he went in there to do some religious and spiritual acts and then, through that, where the priest came in and we're like, hey, you can't be doing this, this is only for us. And then he got you know it was ultimately had got the disease and then ended up had to be separated from the house of God, but he had the Midas touch. Before then, every little bitty thing that he was doing was was just multiplying until his pride got the best of him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's. I wouldn't even going to ask this question. But how can you? What are the things that you are indicators that your pride is overtaken? Because if we're running a kingdom business and we start to experience a lot of success. How can we be mindful of that and what do we do to get back?
Speaker 2:right. You know, that's funny because I always you know one of the biggest concerns that I always teach about, and it happens in our individual lives, and you got to be true to your own self. I always say there's a fine line. The line is so thin that it's about the thickness of a hair, of when you're believing, believing, believing, believing, believing, and finally God drops it on you, like Abraham when he gave him Isaac, and then his final test was give me back what I gave you. He was touched it 10 times. Give me back what I gave you. It's like God, you're believing for a billion dollars so you can do all these great things for God. And then he says we'll put that on hold for right now. Give me back, give it back to my kingdom, and then you have to be able to trust him or you're going to say no, I'm going to hang on to this and that's not kingdom, right, and the story that comes to my mind. And this is scary. This is going to scare a lot of religious people and I don't mind, I don't mind. So I'm going to keep it real, I don't mind. So I'm going to keep it real.
Speaker 2:When Jesus healed the 10 leprous, remember that? Oh yeah, how many came back to give him thanks? How many? One, one. So that means and being healed of leprosy. It's like your skin's falling off and you get restored. One came back and fell at his feet and said thank you, thank you for restoring me. And Jesus said where's all the other nine? That gives you a picture in society, one out of nine, one out of 10, will give God the glory for what he did. And I'm talking business, though. I mean your skin's falling off, you can't work All of a sudden. You're an outcast, but now you can go back to work, now you can go get a business because you're not an outcast. So that tells me, in society, one out of 10, when God does something great, we'll come back and give thanks to him. That's scary, and so, to answer your question on that, when it comes to what kept the other nine from coming back to Jesus, I got what I wanted. I don't need him no more. I got what I wanted. I don't need him no more.
Speaker 2:It's like Abraham passed that test, though Wow, he had to believe that. If I give you back my eyes and a lot of people don't know this Abraham was not Isaac, was not a child, he was not a teenager. He was about 37 years of old, 37 years of age. And Abraham was older in age because he had him at 100. So he was like 137 years of age. Now if your dad told you, let's go, we're going to go build an altar and we're going to sacrifice you, I would be like I ain't going nowhere with your dad. But that test was so hard that when they came off the mountain, sarah died immediately because she knew what her husband was going to do. But he had to believe, by faith, that if you're asking me to sacrifice my son and give you back what you've given me, then you must have some kind of supernatural plan that I ain't never seen before. And he passed that test and God stopped him and goes no worries, I've already done it, you know, because the Bible was written. The Bible was written way before he came to earth. Anyways, right In the beginning was the word and the word Right. And so God says I've already did that. That's when he stopped him from sacrificing his son.
Speaker 2:I like to look at Isaac and I teach people, I go. If your business and you want a kingdom business, well, you're the Abraham and your business is Isaac. You want it to grow up to continue on the legacy of what you built right and so teaching people. So the kingdom is all about sacrificing. If there's no sacrifice and we can talk about that altars and sacrificing more in depth later but if there's no sacrificing, then you have to question whether it's kingdom at all, because Jesus did both, and I teach this a lot.
Speaker 2:The religious spirit and the poverty spirit thinks that it's about money. No, it ain't about money. How can you compare God to money? It's about obedience and sacrifice. But if God had to choose Lord, how do I serve you? If you're caught up? And I don't teach that you're cursed. If you don't give because that's under the law, we're under a better covenant, jesus' covenant. We're encouraged to do it.
Speaker 2:But the truth is, if you're hung up on the money thing, jesus says obedience is better than sacrifice. Sacrifice is your obedience to do something like that. But just give me your heart then, because the truth is and the genius of that scripture is this if you give Jesus your whole heart, he can ask you for anything and you'll say whatever you want, lord, because I know you dug me out of a pit that I knew I deserved death, but you did that for me. I'll give you anything you ask of me. That's the genius in that. And so but and those people that don't want to obey in that area? God ain't mad at you, you. Just you're like the rich young ruler, you're not. You're not realizing that money has a bigger priority than your relationship with the Lord and you don't even see it. That's now we're getting somewhere.
Speaker 2:But I always say obedience plus sacrifice, combine those two, guess what you get. What did Jesus get? He obeyed his father, he laid down his life. He got resurrection power. And I always say you want resurrection power in your business. Start considering the obedience plus the sacrifice Plus the sacrifice. Sacrifice what, ask the Holy Spirit what to sacrifice, and then we can get into like hearing God for yourself. Let's do that, yeah, okay. So I want to add something.
Speaker 1:I want to get into, like hearing God for yourself. Let's do that, yeah, so okay. So how? So I want to add something that I want to get into here. When we one of the things is is like going back to kingdom business, is that a lot of times we as business owners, entrepreneurs, whatever can set up our business to where we, everything that we do is revolved around God. We can do prayer, serve days we can, we can is revolved around God. We can do prayer, serve days we can. We can have a business about human development. We can put crisis king on our social media posts. We can do all those things.
Speaker 1:But you touched on something that I've recently lived through, that that that I didn't feel like I had a kingdom business, despite doing all these things, and I felt like there was something that went amiss. So I went out to the mountains and I spent this is like five, six months ago this is fairly recent Went out to Red Rock and I found a rock was way up in the mountains. There found a rock. There was a perfect rock there that I could lean back against and it was the only boulder that was up on this flat rock. It was awesome.
Speaker 1:So I sat up there and just prayed to God and I realized that God didn't have my full heart, and so I was trying to control too many things, and so I was only going to give him this section of it, because I felt like if I just controlled this then I could push things along a little bit quicker. And I know, I know that that's not something to fall into. And yet I fell into that anyways and got exposed that it was my heart. And so he's like you can do all of these things, and yet all of these things can not equate to a kingdom business if you don't have your heart surrendered over to me. Yeah, and so, because it goes back to that heart posture, because if that heart posture is right, then regardless of the circumstances, then it's like it's all yours anyway, and so, and then through that, through that posture, you receive that freedom from Christ, and only whenever you enter into that posture you receive that freedom from Christ. Yeah, yeah, I literally was leaving that living that.
Speaker 2:So that's good, that's a good point, because the key that you did was understanding, and that's the Lord, that's the Holy Spirit working on the inside of us, trying to show us a better way. And so when you realize that the good part is, you did, like David, I'm going to go to my stronghold, I'm going to go isolate myself for a minute, I'm going to go search out the Lord, and then he begins to show us, because our flesh, our flesh, is like the flesh it likes to blame, it likes to have pride, it likes to do a lot of stuff, it likes to compartmentalize the kingdom. I'm just and the bad part, this it's like. It's like I would tell people this it's like this If you're a family man, you're married, you got all this stuff and you got your business it. Family man, you're married, you got all this stuff and you got your business. It's like, well, it's like this Well, do you want them to be Lord of all of it or some of it? Because whatever, like I always say, finances, he's Lord of everything else in your life, but the finances you are going to control that. You know the individual right, and I'm like God ain't mad at you. All you're going to do is find out that you're not going to have resurrection power there. You're not going to have the multiplication God does multiplication better than we do. Two plus five equals feeding 15,000 people. Who's going to complain with that? I'm not. I want to know how to get to that part. I want to get to that part of my business where it begins to multiply, where I have favor with you, god, and favor with man. How do I do that begins to multiply where I have favor with you, god, and favor with man. How do I do that? How do I do that? And so we like to compartmentalize and whatever you don't allow him to intervene in. It's just a little crack that the enemy will want to come in and derail, dismantle or disrupt us. Because why? Because you're holding onto something that God says. The truth is he wants our whole heart, our whole, the whole being. Jump on that altar, let the chips.
Speaker 2:I always say in Vegas, do something. Throw the devil a curveball, do something you have not been willing to do and prove to the devil that you're all in with the Lord. And if you want to consider gambling, consider a gamble board. And if you want to consider gambling, consider a gamble, because most people like that, like I did. It's like I've had to lock myself up, go to a hotel room.
Speaker 2:I ain't leaving here until I touch the hem of your garment and I'll know it, because I will be different. I'll be able to sleep, I'll have a clean conscience with you, I'll feel ceremonially clean in my endeavors, I won't have a dirty conscience of I'm holding back here and holding back here. I'll have one mind lined up with you and you alone. You know that's where it all comes down to it. It's between me and you, god, me and you, learning that covenant, learning that covenant right. And so when you want to control something, that's the word of God. We always want to go to the word.
Speaker 2:When you want to control something, you know that's control. It's like faith is I'm going to give it all to you, lord, you help me manage it, you help me steward it. You know and we don't want. It's like when you make him Lord of everything else except your marriage or except your children, or except this, and you want to take ownership of that, then you're going to get the return on envenomment of your ownership versus the ownership of Christ being Lord in that area. And so at the end Paul says the least we can do in the service of what Jesus did for us is offer our entire, like we have to jump on that altar as a living sacrifice and let the fire of that altar begin to burn off the things that are not pleasing to him, the things that are holding us back, and then, more like, most likely it's always things that have been traveling down our bloodline generationally, generationally, and the Holy Spirit kind of gives us indicators of I wonder how much, how many people in my bloodline have been doing this or struggled with this or struggled in this area.
Speaker 2:I always tell people when I'm trying to work some deliverance through them. It's like, more than likely we've all had issues with money. Money because the Bible says the love of it is the root of all evil. So more than likely someone I know, someone in my bloodline, did that. I had to investigate it myself and ask the Lord to reveal it to me in regards to property and land ownership. And more than likely someone in the bloodline always did something unlawful in God's eyes that involved money, right, and so asking the atoning power of the blood of Jesus to cover it. So it doesn't go beyond me no more. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:The Holy Spirit is a revelator. He'll shine a light on anything in your past or your ancestral past that the enemy might be using against you in the courts of heaven. Like when I'm dealing with homeowners I mean business owners and they just keep hitting the brick wall. And I know I'm speaking to somebody. You keep hitting the brick wall and I know I'm speaking to somebody.
Speaker 2:You keep hitting the brick wall and you're trying. You're doing everything that you're supposed to be doing honoring God with everything but you keep hitting a brick wall and it almost seems like the rug gets pulled out from underneath you and just and it's like but it's been going on for years. That's an indicator where you should do what Matt does. I'm going to go talk to the Lord. I'm going to go to my cave, I'm going to go to my rock, I'm going to go to my isolate myself and I'm going to speak to the Lord and say what is it, lord? What's going on? Because it could mean that something is resisting you in the courts, like the enemy has a case against you.
Speaker 1:Explain that, go into depth with that, because we know that Jesus is our advocate.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:So break that down please.
Speaker 2:When in the Bible it talks about that. A curse doesn't just come about, it started somewhere and the Lord will curse up to three and four generations, but he'll bless up to a thousand Just because Jesus came. I have a lot of debates on this one with religious people. Okay, I'll give you an example. We get saved. And I was a drug addict, I was an alcohol, I was all that kind of stuff Womanizer. I got saved.
Speaker 2:How come I still have the tendency to do drugs? How come I still have the tendency to be a womanizer? How come I still got a tendency to do perverted things and look at porn? How come I can't stop doing that? What is the answer to that? But I'm saved. I love Jesus, I'm going to church, but I'm still doing those things. I like to have those conversations with people because what's the answer?
Speaker 2:There's something in my bloodline that's making me do that stuff and I can't stop and I need help, spiritual help, unclean spirits that are rolling on the inside of me. You see that. And so there's stuff that might have happened in previous generations that are in your genetic memory, that it's a case against you because there was no forgiveness back there. And so the Holy Spirit can enlighten us. And I said, lord, if there's someone in my bloodline that defrauded someone over property, blank, blank, blank, blank, blank, blank, blank, and I go forgive them. They didn't know what they do. And if they were in my bloodline, yes, especially that.
Speaker 2:And so when I did that, I literally I was with my mom, my spiritual mother. We had a little prayer meeting with my wife and then, literally, I felt something leave my body. Oh, I felt lighter, oh, I feel lighter. I said. I said, honey, something changed. Yeah, it wasn't that until then that I decided to buy another home, you know, an investment home or something like that. But I knew since then things have changed because there was something. Every time prior to that, every time I bought a home, something bad would happen. Foreclosure 2008 hit. You guys remember that, right, yeah, right and so. But I knew when that curse was broken off my life. God gave me indicators. There was a tree in my mom's house split in half, and I could see its roots and I jumped up and down. I said God heard us and my mom goes. You know, me and your father planted that tree when we bought this property.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:I go now. I really know. He heard us, you know, and so sometimes we have to work through. We have to be willing to do what you do, get along with the Lord. I want to hear you, lord, because things ain't working out the way your Bible says. If this is the Bible, I want my life to mirror this, and it's not happening. My return on investment ain't going down. But you have to be willing to be a spiritual scientist, to get along with the Lord and allow him, educate me, show me, lead me, and he has so many different ways.
Speaker 2:The idea is like David, you know, he was special and I've said this to you before. He was monotheistic. There's no other king besides King Jesus. David and King Jesus, our serving king, were like monotheistic. All the other kings weren't. In other words, he only served one God. When it was bad, he would run to God. When it was good, he would run to God and honor God with sacrifices. And Jesus did the same thing. All the other kings weren't. They served other gods. They got in a lot of trouble doing that and all chaos broke loose in their lives, in their kingdom, because they served other gods. But that's why what you were telling me earlier, it's like. Learning how to hear God for yourself is one of the things that is so fruitful.
Speaker 1:Man. I remember back before I even knew God. You know God was speaking to me and I mean he would speak to me about one specific thing and it was how I was living my life and just matter. Are you done? Because, as soon as you're done, like I've got some incredible plans and he was just inviting me into this relationship with him in the midst of all of my nonsense, and I've got so many stories of of of what I believe, that police would roll in and we'd be looking face to face.
Speaker 1:I think God made me invisible so that I wouldn't get arrested, because he knew that I was about to give my life to the Lord and God was continuing to speak to me, despite growing up in a way that said this was God's final word and God doesn't speak anymore outside of his word. And I didn't live that. I'm like, no, but God's speaking to me and it's outside, but in full alignment with his word. And so when I gave my life to the Lord, it was just like I mean, I'm hearing from God, I'm spending multiple times a day with the Lord to hear from God, and he's given me instructions and directions of everything to do, every system in my shop. Everything that is going on now, every partnership, collaboration, was all a revelation from the Lord on hey, here's what's going to happen and here's what I need you to do next. And so and sometimes I don't get the full revelation you proceed out of faith and you just, you just go off of what you believe, you know is in alignment with where God has called you to go, and and and in.
Speaker 1:Since then, you know, I had this understanding that God is the alpha and the omega and because of that, in the midst of chaos, when you're being obedient, you're doing what God has called you to do. Nothing is happening in the way that you perceive that it would happen. It's trusting God in the midst of that, because he knows the very end and he understands exactly where you're headed and he knows you need to go through this trial right here in order to be the man or woman that you need to be to sustain what's about to happen. So it gave me this fresh perspective on hearing from the Lord, and when I started to really hear from the Lord on like systems, processes, business partnerships and all of that, it transformed my business number one. But it gave me a clear direction on what my purpose is in life. So it gave me this identity and this purpose within life, and God's continued to give me revelation on that, you know.
Speaker 1:So some of the some of the things that I do whenever I talk, whenever I teach my guys, like how to hear from the Lord, you know you have to work through a number of things. You know I always am asking God, you know, reveal the lies that I believe, because in John eight it talks about the truth will set you free. So replace it with some truth, you know. And what is it that you want me to do? You know, am I supposed to hire this individual?
Speaker 2:Am I supposed to implement this and a lot of crazy stuff like that we opened up a lot of doors and I teach this, and I know this is going to help some people, I just know because I teach this all the time and I say, look, when we were out in the world we served altars let's call it the altar of drug addiction, the altar of alcoholism, the altar of all the stuff, bad stuff. We actually served it right. We took money, we gave it, we got something in return that was killing us basically, physically, spiritually, emotionally. But we kept doing that. We kept doing it and then we get saved. And then why is it that I still have a tendency to go serve that right? And so it's easy for me to teach this? Because God had to take me through this process. And so, as I serve that right, and so it's easy for me to teach this, because God had to take me through this process, and so, as I serve that, it's like, oh, I have to serve the kingdom now to see what tried to kill me was serving those altars. Now I'm in another kingdom and I have to serve this altar by choice kingdom. And I have to serve this altar by choice, not from a religious mindset, because I understand that. I'm so thankful that you didn't allow me to die in that condition and you restored me. You pulled me out of the pit. Now I have to open my heart to go this direction and a lot of addiction recovery. I would twist, I would change some things in it, because what happens is when you get clean, if you don't store the house with something better, you're gonna go right back to it, and so when you start serving like you serving the kingdom you're serving the altar of the kingdom of heaven now and you're being filled up, and during that process, what you're learning is. So this is why you put me on earth. And then you don't even realize that you're impacting people's lives just by obeying what God is telling you to do, and you don't even know that people are looking at you as some spiritual leader because you're just worried about am I doing what you're calling me to do? You know what I mean, and so we find our process. We can't stop it. I'm not doing that, no more. We have to continue the journey and see. This is the key that a lot of people miss.
Speaker 2:God is not into ruining us, and that's what I tell business owners. I go. He doesn't want to ruin you because we have a tendency to ruin things we do, all of us do, and so what he wants to do is develop stewardship capabilities like what you're going through right now in your company. He's preparing you for the increase that is going to supersede anything you've ever seen, because whatever goals you've written down for your personal company, god's going to outdo it, just to show you that he's God in your life. So I always say write it down, but just know he's going to outdo you, which is good thing, right, but he's not if he gives it to you too soon. He did that with the children of Israel coming out of Egypt, like when they were taking the promised land. If he gives it to you too soon without you being developed, you'll ruin it. You'll ruin what he put in you to accomplish for the future. So he's all into developing.
Speaker 2:There was a three and a half year process for Jesus to do what he did and to prepare the people that would carry on. You know what I mean. And so if he gives it to us too soon without us being developed, we'll ruin it. We'll ruin the bigness and the greatness. I always say if he's making you wait, look at Abraham. Look at Abraham. He waited 25 years and then afterwards they asked for it back, but then that made him. He goes down in history as the father of our faith because he obeyed and he was willing to sacrifice his son to do it, which is big. And then we're anchored into that. It's like we're anchored into that. It's like we're trying to.
Speaker 2:Vegas is like this. It's like can I just have it without? That's why people win these mega bucks. Within five years they're broke because they don't possess the stewardship level to manage that level of a blessing or that level of income. You know what I mean. And God's into developing us. You know what I mean. And God's into developing us.
Speaker 2:Developing us and our development is like it is hard, because you know he must, I must decrease and he must increase, and I don't think we're ever going to escape that. It's always, no matter what level, new level, new devils we always have to ask that question Am I decreasing and is he increasing or am I trying to take over? Question am I decreasing and is he increasing or am I trying to take over? You know? And that's like uh, I don't think that you could just wake up one day and then you finally got to the place of I'm there. Nah, because then he'll show you, he'll reveal to you in your heart, he'll reveal we, we.
Speaker 2:You know, I recently went on vacation and, uh, they lost my luggage and all this and it's like my wife's like looking at me all like crazy, who's this man? I said, honey, I feel like I lost my luggage and all this and it's like my wife's like looking at me all like crazy, who's this man? I said, honey, I feel like I lost my Christianity here. That's how mad I am with American Airlines blah, blah, blah. And I'm just being authentic. I was just like on a war path and I'm like and God, just like.
Speaker 2:I believe that God is funny like that because he talks like that, he goes. You see, all it took was displacing a little briefcase for you to just start blah, blah, blah, blah. And I just held my head down. I was like, oh, back to the drawing board. I don't even feel like a Christian, no more, I feel like a he. He always presents something to us and saying we're still rolling, we're still trying to develop you, we're still moving in that direction. But it all comes down to our heart and no matter what, it comes down to where your loyalty and your honor is when it comes to the kingdom, you know.
Speaker 1:Man. I love that. What I've recognized in my walk with the Lord is that God will, man, you get to a point to where it almost feels like things get a little clogged up, yeah, and just just just things get a little clogged up and you, we find ourself on a wave of going back to you when that happens, and then we're just doing our religious routines until we need to go back to you in that format. So what God has spoken to me about is going to God Like I used to be so adamant on. Okay, I have to, and I read my Bible every day, but I've got to read at least a chapter a day. I've got to have a little bit of song worship time and I have my regimen and my routine, and what I found was I was making an idol out of that and that became very religious. So if I didn't follow that to a T, I wouldn't feel the freedom at the end of my time with the Lord. And so what God did with that is he converted my time of the Lord to just be okay, god, how do you want me to spend my time with you right now? And is it just straight prayer? Is it song worship? Is it just worship reading the Bible? What is it?
Speaker 1:And then God, every day he has revealed to me man today, just worship me, just worship me. So I'll sit in my prayer room and I just worship God. I'll have music playing, worship God. I have music playing, blaring and just worshiping God, you know.
Speaker 1:And then through that I find myself not running through any prayers of self-deliverance or anything, but just being unclogged and freed because of the finished work of the cross. And it's just what I've just come to believe is. It's just going back to what you're saying is God wants our heart and wants our heart, and we have the ability to ask God what do you want? We receive what God wants. We act out of obedience to that. And whenever we act out of obedience to things, that's whenever the doors get thrown wide open. And that's what I would view as I want to kind of pivot, to like sacrifices and investing into the kingdom, because, you know, at times we need to sacrifice our routines and at times we need to sacrifice a number of things and maybe our business, maybe some of our finances. So just talk about that.
Speaker 2:You know what? That's a good point, because one of the things that I do with people is like there's another. There's a level and it's all in the Bible you can read it, from Cain and Abel, all the way down of people that offered sacrifices to the Lord, and what a lot of people don't understand. It's like for some reason in America everyone thinks the gospel was free. No, it wasn't free. The prophets of old? They got slaughtered. Jesus got slaughtered. The apostles got slaughtered, they got killed. You call that free. Talk to God about freedom. No, no, no, that's not free. It costs blood, blood was shed for us to have the truth written in the book, right, so that's not free. And what a lot of people don't understand.
Speaker 2:There's another level where you offer God your first fruits. Like what you just said, I'm giving you the first fruit of my day, first thing I do when I wake up. Nothing, I ain't going to run it, I'm running to you, king David. That's King David's kind of stuff, right there. That's why God was able to trust him with all this. By the time he, by the end of his day, I calculated he gave away about $89 billion for his son to build the temple. That's how much riches he amassed. God could trust him with that, but he understood the power of firstfruits. And the power of firstfruits is I'm going to give you my first and my best. Now, that's a personal thing between I teach people. I've taught more people in their businesses.
Speaker 2:Offer God your first fruits. Well, what are you talking? First fruit? Well, let's look at it. In the Bible, you know Cain and Abel. The reason why he rejected Cain's and accepted Abel is because Cain offered God something, but he did it when he felt like it. Abel did it right away, got the fat little calf. Oh yeah, that's the best one. I'm going to give it to God. I'm going to give this to God.
Speaker 2:So first fruits is offering the Hebrews. Every month, when there's a new moon, a crescent moon, Every month, they would have a party, a celebration, and they would gather their very first and their best and they would put it on the altar and give it to the kingdom. Give it to the priests, right? They would do that every single month to ensure their harvest would increase. Now, what was all the other kingdoms doing? They didn't believe that they were sacrificing children. They were killing, they were prostituting themselves. They were serving their gods. We served our God by giving him our first and our best.
Speaker 2:Now I always tell people that is the key right there for your personal harvest, because we give, we give, we serve and stuff like that. But what do you want for your personal harvest, for your future? Let's say it's your business. Let's say seek first the kingdom of God and all its riches. What is your all? Well, lord, I'm going to write my vision down. Like you said, I want all this and then so, okay, but I'm invested into the kingdom. So what is it that you want?
Speaker 2:And I always say that's personal thing between you and God. You should get along with God and ask him what do you want me to sacrifice for me? To ensure that you have your hand on my business or on my endeavor so we could have favor with you and favor with man? Or, in other words, how do I get resurrection power? Dead things like what you did with this company. It was dead when you came.
Speaker 2:But because of the kingdom of God on the inside of you and your willingness to sacrifice, serve others a greater purpose Ooh, this is good Serving a greater purpose than Matt Walton. You're putting Jesus at the head and it's not about Matt Walton, it's about the kingdom. Because without the kingdom, without Jesus, I have nothing. And you know what life is like that to have nothing. And because you're structuring your business to serve something greater than yourself. Because, in the end, when you get to heaven, we're going to the container pool, we're going to living waters, you're going to be up there. The only thing that you would leave behind is the impact that you serve by showing others. Life is about serving the kingdom. Jesus will never fail you. That covenant will never fail you. That will live on forever and it will go generational for thousand generations ahead of you. The impact that you did Because you're serving something greater than yourself.
Speaker 2:Didn't Jesus do that? He was thinking of me and you when he was on the cross, like like I'm doing this because I know the future. The future is, if I don't do this now and overcome right here, right now, matt and Miguel won't have a victory in the future. And I'm all about victory. But he knew he had to sacrifice his life for it. In other words, he didn't compartmentalize. He says if I'm going to do this, I have to do my whole life, my whole sacrifice on the altar. And so guess who?
Speaker 2:Jesus was God's first fruit. That's how serious our Christianity is. In other words, god can't give us more than he already gave us. He gave us his only begotten son, and we balk at five bucks, we balk at $5 when there's a need to feed the hungry and you're thinking about Starbucks, by the way, thank you for the Starbucks anyway, but you see what I mean. And it's like that's our kingdom, that's the spirit of poverty, that's the spirit of fear, spirit of religion. It's like how could we do that when the price that we have to have our freedom to be able to do the things that we do was paid in blood? And so Jesus, god, jesus was God's first fruit, son, and were the first fruit of Jesus. In other words, we're carrying on the work. We just try to think that we have to do it the way he showed us servant leadership, sacrifice, obedience, obedience to the father.
Speaker 2:And so our voice, the voice that we want to tune into, it's like okay, lord, I know what other people say I should do, what do you say I should do? And like I love your point because I have to do that too, and I learned that through isolation with him. It's like there's sometimes he wants to minister to us and there's sometimes we have to minister to him, depending on what's going on in our lives. But, like you said, what is it that you want, father? See, that's supernatural growth right there. It's like you're putting yourself down. I'm decreasing, so you must increase. Show me how to increase, because I'm submitting my flesh down and that's that's what you're doing and that's supernatural revelation. You are allowing supernatural revelation. I believe that's how you got all the revelation on how you're running your company right now, because you isolated yourself and say okay, lord, I know what I want to do, but that's what I say. I say I already got my track record. It's horrible, failure after failure, and I'm like I got to do something new. What is it should I do? And then revelation starts coming in. That's the secret to the kingdom, by the way. He's got secrets for us.
Speaker 2:But if we're always on a treasure hunt with the Lord, I always tell people get in the treasure hunt. What do you mean? Start seeking treasure, treasure. God told me one time I was writing in my notes and he goes you got a multimillion dollar business sitting right here in the room. I jumped out of my seat. I'm looking around I'm like ah, where's it at. And then I just looked down and I got a journal there. It's like he's revelating with me and it's like a pen, a book, multimillion. You know. I'm just trying to figure out where's it at, where's it at, and he goes.
Speaker 1:That's how I think it's right there. So so I feel like, as kingdom biz, I want to I don't want to beat this down, but I want to just add this to this as kingdom business people, um, this is my story. So you start out so gung-ho, every little bitty detail is for the kingdom, and God gives you revelation. He does things that are so supernatural it's hard to fathom, unless you are moving in that way, because it's so in alignment with Scripture. We see this all throughout Scripture. And when you make God the CEO, the owner, you become a steward. God gives you all this supernatural revelation. Then you can find yourself going to the world. You can find yourself going to books, podcasts, youtube videos in replace of God, and you're you're still going to God, but then now, instead of God being up here, and you're just reading books to kind of supplement some things and maybe to hold some motivation or provide just a broader perspective on things, now it's flip-flopped, and now you're going to God, and you're going to God as a religious thing, but you're going to these books and podcasts and YouTube videos as the revelator, as the one that's going to transform things. So, as somebody who has gone through that and God has pulled back into Matt. Come to me, look at it, look at the last three years.
Speaker 1:And when did the biggest revelation come? It's whenever you were pursuing me and me alone. When did the revelation stop coming? It's whenever you put a book or a podcast or a YouTube video above, coming to me and me alone. And so then I always go back with man. You have that revelation. Now what are you going to do? And so that's where it gets to. Going to the mountains, that's where it gets to.
Speaker 1:I come into work a little bit later Because I'm in my prayer room. I'm praying for my people, however that looks. So all my encouragement is is to be aware of who you are going to for your growth. Who are you going to first? Who are you going to for that revelation? Because I promise you it's so easy to think it's going to happen through a book and it might.
Speaker 1:God can use these books. I'm not at all trying to talk bad about books, podcasts, youtube videos. I think they're great and there's so much revelation that can happen out of that. But where's your heart? And God brought my heart back to where what I believe it should be and where God wanted it to be and it's. And it's every single time. It's like okay, well, I need to be here doing X, y, z, and God's like no, you need to be in the mountains praying to me. And that's whenever I've seen supernatural growth happen, not whenever I'm hibernating here reading a book and writing plans out. And all of that it's whenever I'm in the mountains getting revelation. Then I am proceeding with the actions to complete the task.
Speaker 2:That is good, because I think it's one of the things you know no matter what direction the Lord is pulling us, I don't care what it is, it's all going to come down to, and there's a difference between faith and courage. Okay, faith is yeah, I got faith. Courage is getting up and doing something about it, you know. And so it takes a lot of faith and courage, because it's impossible to please God without faith, right? It's impossible to please God without faith, right? And so I think it's one of the things that is lacking more in our, you know, especially in the entertainment model of Christianity that we have in America, where I used to think going to be entertained on a Sunday, that's my stairway to heaven, and live like hell on Monday through Saturday, and nothing's changed in my life. I'm just being entertained on Sunday, but nothing's changed. But I used to think I was going to heaven because of doing that. And boy, you start leading the words, spending time with the Lord, and then you start he puts a microscope on the inside of you and say, oh my gosh, I'm so far from anything. But I think one of the things that lacks the most into what is an intimate relationship with the Holy Spirit, in other words, god wants to develop us, but what's been lacking is let the Holy Spirit be the number one developer. It's like Jesus, god, holy Spirit, the Trinity it's your number one go-to run-to, be-with before anything, and then everything streams from that river, right there, instead of other ways. You know, because we always want to revert back to our old nature of the way we used to do things. And it's like I just recently posted something and it's like in Isaiah behold, all things have been made new. And I go do you know what he's really saying there? He's been saying this you have been made new. See, the Lord develops us. It's like the circumstances and the trials and tribulations are always going to be around us, but what I did was make you new so you know what to do in the midst of those trials, tribulations and hardships. And it's like hardships, trials and tribulations have one thing, one thing, one purpose, and one purpose only.
Speaker 2:I'm convinced, the same thing that happened to Jesus when he goes into the wilderness and fasted for 40 days, he was offered all the kingdoms of these world. And what happened after that? He defeated the devil by using the word, and then he came out with more authority and more anointing trials, tribulations and the stuff that ain't working out. And you're just giving God all your heart and it's like he's just trying to get you to a place where he's drawing more anointing, more authority, trying to show you, make this area of your life number one. You know, give God command over this area of your life, give God command over your marriage, your children, boom, boom, boom, boom. Because what I found in our development as we're progressing, it almost works systematically. As your soul prospers, so will you, so will your company. It almost is happening at the same time where business leaders tell me this all the time.
Speaker 2:The minute I started to work on my marriage or my personal I mean, I figured out. It took me six years of marriage, maybe seven, to figure out that I'm only as Christian as my wife says I am, because she knows me better than anybody and I would wonder what is she saying about me in private? And then it realized God told me he goes. You're only as Christian as you are on how you treat her, how you are with her, because I instituted marriage. So how are you? And I'm like I never even thought of that.
Speaker 2:And that changed my marriage. It really did. But you see what I mean. And almost systematically, when we start letting him prosper our souls, all of a sudden everything else around us will start working in the direction that he wants it to work. And almost it's one of those things that kind of work together and it's like. But then we look back on our past and we're like man. I remember when my soul Jesus wasn't even on the radar. And it's a systematic thing going this way. And as our soul begins to prosper, our business, our endeavors, all the other things that we want to do for the kingdom seems to work upward as well.
Speaker 1:You follow, oh, yeah, yeah, that man, god gave me a revelation, a fresh revelation on this of I don't even remember as it was recently um, that how you speak to the least of these, the one that you speak to the worst, is how you're speaking to jesus. Yeah, and that I asked my wife. I said do I speak to you? Well, like, like, how do I speak to you? And then she responded back to me and I was, I was somewhat pleased with how she responded back to me, but there's still, it's not a hundred percent the way that it needs to be.
Speaker 1:And so I'm like okay, but but it's just so telling to me because now I'm hyper aware, I'm always been very hyper aware of the end and so knowing, being very cautious in my reactions, like with my daughter, with my wife, with my family, failed miserably a number of times. But I know it's like I don't want regrets whenever I get down the road because I didn't spend enough time, I reacted poorly or whatever. And then to further that revelation, it was yeah, and how you speak to her whenever you're having your worst day is how you speak to me, and I'm like, oh my goodness, yeah, that sounds like a conversation that the Lord would have with us.
Speaker 2:The truth is, god's all about family. He's all about that structure because he invented it, but nothing that we do in life. If you're married, or if you have a family and you're a father and you're the leader, or, vice versa, the mother, you know nothing of the external, of building the kingdom business and all that really matters if you don't have that area right there. Because what good is it if you gain the whole world but you lose your soul in the end? Come on, you know what I mean. Oh, yeah, and it's like there's nothing worse. And you see it happen in the world all the time the structure of the home, the house, the husband, the wife, the family, when the enemy loves to destroy that because if he can do that, he'll divide and conquer and then the outcome of the business that they've been working on for 20, 25 years. It just goes south, it gets split up, it won't have the kingdom impact that it was designed to have, because we neglected one area true leadership in the home. You know stuff like that?
Speaker 1:Yes, man, I feel like I don't know when you said that it's a, it's kind of on the same topic, but I don't know. This is for somebody. If you have a family business, God's going to attack your family so incredibly hard. I've lived this for the last three years. One of the most beautiful places that you can get to during that moment is a place of being unoffended and forgiving, and not going to an individual and saying you did this, you did this and so I forgive that.
Speaker 1:But going to an individual and truly reaching a place in your heart to where you ask for forgiveness, and even if it's a situation to where they should be at it does not matter. You ask for forgiveness and you have this heart posture. And at that point that's whenever God started to move in my life and my family's life and just took things to another level within my business. So just know, God's going to attack your marriage. He's going to attack your family, probably like you have never had it happen before, because he wants to divide that up so that he can conquer your family and conquer your business. And if you allow that to happen, you're going to be miserable and it's going to be incredibly hard to get out of that until you allow God to penetrate your heart, Get you to expose where you've been offended, expose where you have unforgiveness, and then you start working through that with the Lord number one, and then you go to an individual if that's what God has called you to do.
Speaker 2:You know that's a good point, because I have mentored so many businesses that were struggling and then they start excelling. And you know what the main key point was the forgiveness With their spouse, like when you're married, if you're in other words, if I bring something to the altar you read this in Noah with Noah you bring something to the altar and you read this in Noah with Noah you bring something to the altar and you're going to present God a gift. That's some serious business there, because he could smell what's on you. He could smell if you have unforgiveness. If I'm going to church and me and my wife are at odds with each other, I ain't giving nothing Because it ain't going to do what I want it to do. Because he knows that I'm mad and she's mad and we're all mad at each other. I won't even give it until we make peace and then I'll go give it. Because he could smell pride. He could smell the devil got kicked out of heaven for that kind of stuff and he could smell pride. He could smell unforgiveness and it's like, especially if you own a business and you and your spouse is always at odds with each other, the enemy is working to divide you and God can't bless something that's not unified. In other words, it's like you're keeping each other for the full blessings entering into that covenant of that business that you have right, and it's like I've counseled so many people. That's like, how are you and your spouse, are you guys together in this endeavor, or is she mad that you got this endeavor and are you not managing your time more? Are you not managing your time where she's feeling neglected and she's kind of resenting you because that's your baby, that's who you a number one in your life and you're not following the order of operation, your personal relationship with the Lord?
Speaker 2:Then, if you're married, it's your spouse, and then the children, and then everything underneath that Right and and and, and they sit down with the wife. I recommend you sit down with your wife and be honest with each other and saying, if she's really resenting you for that, talk it out, make some adjustments. And then all of a sudden they make some adjustments, they make peace with each other and they get on the same, because without that there's division and God can't bless division. He blesses unity, he blesses togetherness, right, and then the minute they fix that, all of a sudden things start. The engine starts moving again Because we don't really realize. And, like you said, you have to understand covenant, you have to understand covenant, you have to understand covenant. It's a marriage covenant, the same covenant we have with our spouses in relation to the same covenant we should have here. As a matter of fact, this one helps us establish this one. Not this way, it goes this way, especially if you're the leader. This way, this way, you follow me, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, man, I love that. Actually I have a mentor, that always asks me and now I understand why.
Speaker 1:I never understood how is your wife, yeah, how is she doing? And now I get it, man, and I'm fortunate man. My wife is awesome. She's a huge part of what we do here, yeah, and she's great at what she does. No, no, no, and we do it well, we don't go at each other. We have but, but we don't go at each other. She fully supports everything. I support her, man.
Speaker 1:It's awesome to watch how God has blessed that. But now I understand why. I want to pivot a little bit, kind of the same stuff. But I'm going to ask you, going on the forgiveness, one of the scriptures that really stood out to me is whenever and I'm drawing a blank on where it's at, but where it talks about you know, where you have unforgiveness, there's no forgiveness for you from the father. So do you believe, or what do you think about a believer that has unforgiveness in their heart and they live that way, they pass on? Is that the many jesus talks about, that prophesied in my name, that won't inherit the kingdom like, or is there still the kingdom to inherit for those that that that live with unforgiveness and die with unforgiveness? That's a good question.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to say I know the full answer, that, but I could answer it from a biblical standpoint Forgive, so you can be forgiven and see, this is the key that a lot of people don't realize. It's like the Bible was written for the believers, but this is our blueprint, right, this is our blueprint Now. You can obey it or you can just disregard it if you want, but it's also written for the unbeliever. And then, when they become believers, this is our blueprint for the way, the way, the way we follow. You know, the Christianity, the walk with the Lord, used to be called the way, and so this is our blueprint. And so the, the, the, the, the crying let's call it a crying Cause it's a serious plan.
Speaker 2:I think unforgiveness and you re, I think unforgiveness is one of the things that stops prayers from being answered more than anything else. I've studied this subject Unforgiveness, they're already coming. I mean, I teach a dad ink class. Even in dad ink they teach you how to be a forgive, because there's so many sicknesses that are associated with unforgiveness. My studies tell me that there's a lot of abdominal issues that happen with people that hold on, and I work in a hospital, so I interview a lot of people hey, is there someone that you haven't forgiven in your life? How'd you know? Just to guess you got abdominal issues. They're looking at me like I'm some kind of crazy guy. Like how did he know? Yeah, I haven't forgiven my sister for years for doing this, this and that. How many years? 20. And you still hanging on to that? Yeah, I still remember like it was yesterday.
Speaker 2:And so the crime is that Jesus forgives so you can forgive because you were forgiven. In other words, the price that was paid for us to be forgiven is no joking matter. It was blood. It was the real human blood of a human being, the Godhead represented in a human who did not deserve to die. But he took that same unforgiveness that you're having. He took that upon himself and then he forgave us. And so I wouldn't recommend to anybody that you leave earth with a heart full of unforgiveness. I don't recommend that because biblically it doesn't support that God overlooks that. It doesn't Not when it involves his son that was crucified and he did not deserve to be crucified and he did not sin. And he said and at the very end he goes Father, forgive them, for they know not what they did. And then that was almost one of his last words that he said that's how important and the scary part about unforgiveness is this Most people that hold onto that. I believe it's genetic. You've had parents that didn't you know, and that's why Jesus is so important to intervene in a bloodline, because it opens up your heart.
Speaker 2:To like if I want to excel in the kingdom, I have to be a forgiven person, and that ain't easy. It doesn't mean forget, because there's some stuff that we will never forget. It just means that I am not holding them accountable and I'm gonna relieve myself of that event that happened to me and I'm gonna let God be the judge, because we're not the judge and anytime you're not forgiving, you're actually saying you're a judge above God and you don't want to be in that position. You want to let God do what he does best. Now watch this.
Speaker 2:I really believe that if you're an unforgiving person or you struggle with it, let's just say you struggle with it. You're also having a hard time not forgiving yourself, like you have trouble forgiving yourself, and we all have issues in our life that I'm like man. I really blew it back in the day and it knocked me out for I don't know how many years I was just out in the world and those people have probably forgiven. If you can't forgive others, then you definitely probably have issues forgiving yourself and sometimes you have to forgive ourselves. You know, like like forgive ourselves, because if you're constantly looking at your past and the bad decisions you make, then you can't see the future that God has for you, because you're like cop guy looking back and God says oh, I made you your new creation in Christ Jesus. Now you can't be looking at the past no more because it's under the blood and in most cases the devil's just trying to remind you. He's trying to get you back to your past and he's trying to bring something up, and sometimes he uses people.
Speaker 1:They don't want to forget.
Speaker 2:They don't want to forget you on your path, but they don't want to remember you in your future either.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, man I want to talk about. I'm going to, I'm going to kind of do the same thing, just different topics. About some scriptures and I'm curious your feedback on these. Go on and send no more. Yeah, about some scriptures and I'm curious your feedback on these. Go on and send no more. Yeah, how can we? Yeah, well, can we do you think that we can look up six months from now and look back and I know we're not perfect, right, we can't, we can't be perfect beings until we get into our new bodies? Yeah, so is there a way that Christians can live out of obedience to that and go on and sin no more, look back six months later and say with full confidence, like man, I haven't even been thinking about this sin. Like, what are your thoughts? Oh, that's a good one.
Speaker 2:You sure you want to get into that? I would love to. All right, let's get into it real quick. I'm going to make it real simple.
Speaker 2:When Jesus is one of the most scariest scriptures, because of being you, we're students of the word, we like to read the word. When Jesus goes like this, he goes like this. He's giving you a scenario of people saying I prophesied in your name, I did all these things. And Jesus looks at them and says get away from me, you doers of iniquity. I never knew you. In other words, they were doing the religious thing and doing all the gifts, because God gives us gifts but he doesn't take them back. But you can use those gifts in an improper manner, like build me up, right, build me up. And so that's scary because that points to the church.
Speaker 2:You're doing all the things, but iniquity is iniquitous patterns. Iniquity is sins of the forefathers. In other words, remember I told you earlier I go. Why can't I stop doing these things? But I'm saved and I love God, but I can't stop doing these things. It's iniquitous patterns of the forefathers still working on the inside of you. Now, we got to run to the Lord for that. We got to run to deliverance. We got to run to. Something's got to change, lord, because you have to have the courage in order to say I need help with someone. Sometimes it's going to someone more spiritual than you. Sometimes it's going to someone that has more authority in the spirit realm that can help you. Confessing your sins to one another right, In other words, sins of the forefathers is iniquitous patterns and it's like they didn't deal with those iniquitous patterns and it alienated them from a relationship from the Lord.
Speaker 2:Does it mean that we're not going to sin? Absolutely not. There's only one one that didn't. But does it also mean that we excuse our behavior? No, it doesn't. Doesn't. Say that.
Speaker 2:Paul himself said this he goes, I don't judge myself, I'm not going to judge you, but I don't judge myself. That's what I tell people. Hey, there's only one judge and sometimes there's judge the father, father God, father creator and father judge. And we have to have the courage to go to father judge and when you approach him, you better approach him. I like to use communion for that. I like to use communion. And then you have to examine yourself, and what that means is you got to look at every dark area in your life that you know that God is not pleased with. And you got to do communion and just the body, drink the blood and say, lord, I need some change in my life and go one step at a time. It's like he's peeling off layers of our lives. You know, because with the problem with when we keep doing stuff like that, you're flirting with rebellion, which is the sin of witchcraft. Follow me, okay, but sometimes rebellion starts looking like this it's just a natural part of my life, or I hear this a lot Matt, god understands, he understands me. And then they just go on and you're not. You're not like the woman oh Lord, here we go, here we go. You brought it up. You shouldn't have ever brought it up.
Speaker 2:The woman with the garment I just taught this at the hub. She had a blood issue and I call it an equidist pattern issue. She had a blood issue. She stopped bleeding, she couldn't stop bleeding, but she was so desperate and in the Levitical law you can't go around nobody because you have a blood issue. In other words, she was exiled from the church. She was exiled from the people, but she figured I've already spent all my money in Las Vegas, nevada, with all the doctors.
Speaker 2:It's my last ditch chance to get healing and I heard a word, a rumor about this rabbi that's healing people of all kinds of stuff and she says I ain't got nothing to lose, I'm the walking dead. Anyways, I'm practically going to get stoned if I touch him, but I'm willing to be that desperate to go to Jesus and touch the hem of his garment. And she gambled, and she gambled correctly, because Jesus felt power, anointing authority, regenerating power that came out of him and he goes. Who just touched me? It was a touch that I felt power. What touched him was the faith that that woman said I'm so desperate that I'm already dead, but if I touch him I will be resurrected. You see, we have to attack sin in our life like that. Amen.
Speaker 1:Amen.
Speaker 2:We have to attack sin in our life, anything in your heart that you feel that is separating you from God. You got to be ready to get on your knees and go after that like that. And God responds to desperateness. I tell people all the time it's like, yeah, there ain't nothing wrong with getting. See, the devil don't want you to get desperate because he wants you to sit back in your comfortableness and try to justify it and say it's okay, he understands me, he understands, I got these issues, yeah, but the blood of Jesus is on the inside of us. What are you going to do about it? What are we willing to do about it? How desperate are you willing to get to create resurrection power, kind of change inside your being, inside your soul, inside the bloodline that you come from that makes you do these things? You follow me, oh, yeah, and so I don't think we're ever going to get to the point.
Speaker 2:See, the question is more this what are you doing with it in your life right now? I mean, I just went AWOL Two and a half days without my luggage. I was on AWOL driving all over Naples, florida, and I was like, oh my gosh, my wife goes. I haven't seen you angry like that in years. And then, god's like, talking to me, like all it took was a little luggage issue and you flipped out, and then it was like a reminder. It's like back to square one. I'm just yeah, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I felt humiliated yeah.
Speaker 1:I feel that, yeah, so a couple more things. We'll wrap up here. I want to ask, I think, three more questions and we'll be brief with them. You say a comment, so where you want to go, and that's one of my favorite quotes. I don't know if you came up with that or where that comes from. I know it comes from scripture. Yeah, we see that in scripture, but that's awesome. So that one kind of, and then tie into I don't know if you know much about the early church in comparison to today's church, so I really kind of want to focus on that. Really, I want to say that quote, so where you want to go, because I think that's awesome. But how does the early church look different from today's church? Where are we getting? What are we getting wrong?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a very good question because I always tell people, especially, we have to understand that if you start looking from the time that Adam and Eve did not build an altar, cain and Abel did and everybody passed that, you can't find it. But I believe that they learned from Adam and Eve because they messed up and they said, okay, appease God by building an altar. Okay, and messed up and they said, okay, appease God by building an altar. Okay, and then offer something. And so I don't think people understand that we were placed on this earth to be farmers, farmers, adam and Eve farmers. There's a garden, cultivate it, cultivate it. And so farming is Adam and Noah.
Speaker 2:Noah, under the Noahic covenant, seed time and offering. He came off the ship, gave God the most beautiful birds that he could. He didn't give them chickens or roosters that were on the floor in the dung. He picked the most exotic birds and he burnt them on an offer and God said I smell gratitude that I saved you and he instituted sea time and offering. Genesis 8, 22,.
Speaker 2:Right, and so anytime you sow into the ground and you want it to be fruitful ground, you're going to reap a harvest. I always tell people if you want oranges, sow orange seeds. If you want love, sow love. If you want friendship, sow friendship. Sow where you want to go. That's the kingdom. Jesus sowed himself into the kingdom, sowed himself into the kingdom, sold himself into the earth and look, we were part of a seed right. In other words, people want a return on investment. But I go well, what did you sell? Nothing, well, guess what you're going to get? Nothing you didn't sell. You have to sell. The kingdom is about selling the apostles. They all sold their lives for it to create what we're operating in.
Speaker 2:The difference between today's church and that church which is changing right now. I believe we're in a new they call it the new kingdom age. Started in 2020 when the sham democrit, but now it's different. It's like what's happening now. It's like we're leaving an old system, and that old system is you go to church to be entertained and they're not going to really tell you the truth because they don't want to mention sin, they don't want to mention disobedience, they don't want to mention pornography, they don't want to mention adultery, they don't want to mention all that crazy stuff because they're scared they might lose some people to sit in there. That's what I love with KWM. I'm going to mention all that stuff. I go come on, this is what the Bible says. I'm going to teach you what the Bible says. You can take it or leave it. I've had people walk out. I'm like that means I'm doing the right thing. People walked out on Jesus all the time, and so the entertainment model of Christianity is leaving the disciple.
Speaker 2:But the discipleship model is coming into play. You follow me on that and it's like and then? But it doesn't stop there. It's how we live our lives.
Speaker 2:It's like everyone's a Christian on Sunday, but how are you holding up under pressure on Monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday, friday, saturday, like in private, when nobody knows you're around, like when you're in an argument with your wife? You know, that's where the challenge is. It's like are you a Christian there too, or just on Sunday? And so it's more about a discipleship model, which is awesome, why you do what you do here. You're opening up your heart, discipleship model, which is awesome, why you do what you do here. You're opening up your heart, you're opening up your life, you're a blueprint to them and saying look, this is my past, but this is my future, and you're engaging people into the kingdom and they're seeing it with their eyes and you're a living pillar in front of their face and you're demonstrating the kingdom in front of them and they're either going to reject it or accept it. Right, and because our heart has to be open for love. You know, it's like I'm not your judge, I'm not going to condemn you. There's one that does that by himself, and that's at judgment day, where everyone's going to go under that scrutiny.
Speaker 2:You know how did I always look at it? As how did we live our lives with what he did inside of us, like, how did we steward the blood of Jesus? Because we're the royal priesthood, we have to steward the blood of Jesus, hand it out. You know, mentor people and stuff. How did we steward what Jesus did in our lives for us? You know and you know that stuff comes into play on that day, and so a lot of things are changing in the kingdom and one of the major things that I think is what you guys are doing.
Speaker 2:A couple of my friends are doing that. They opened up their businesses and you created a platform and you guys are the leaders and the head and you guys are the. You're like the Royal priest in the home, in the business. You're being the Royal priest and you're the go-to person to help them with their troubles, of their worldly troubles. And you say, well, I got the answer. His name is J-E-S-U-S. If he did it for me, the word of my testimony and the blood of life, if he did it for me, he can surely do it with you.
Speaker 2:And then you open up a door so they can get, because there are some people that will never go to church. Man, you have them here, some of them that will never step in because they got hurt or they have a religious stigmatism about it, but they don't even realize they get a job here and they're involved in a transformational, breaker, anointing authority, given fully operational Jesus Christ glorified in this business. Therefore, you're inside the covenant, you're part of the covenant and the glory will hit you and you're getting them from the right place too, and their lives are going to. You're going to transform their lives, you're going to transform their marriages, they're going to restore their father to the children. You're going to do all they, and all they did is get a job here, yeah, and you open that kind of doors.
Speaker 2:That's where I see the kingdom is moving forward. The church ain't going nowhere. We need the church, that's the government of God on the earth realm. But what's happening is it's being expressed out in the marketplace more, and what you guys are doing, what my buddy, mark McClune, is doing with Living Water, what they're doing I do business just for the sole purpose of I'm in the marketplace and sooner or later it's like they're struggling with issues and I'm like can I offer some help in this area? Yeah, you know, pray for them, prophesy over them, use our gifts to uh, encourage one another. You know what I mean? Yeah, and then I might be their only opportunity that they will receive something other than the world has been offering them, which is no help at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, amen, yeah, that is, I believe, this year the Lord shared with me that this is the year of family, for for my guys specifically, and man, god's opened the door through some horrific things that have happened with my guys, but it's been, you know, an awesome thing to be able to go with their families. I'll give you an example. Um, one of my buddies or one of my guys, his, uh, his sister, was murdered and it gave me an opportunity. You know, he came from gangs and all of that and he was coming from the prison, um, as I don't house arrest now, but it gave gave us an opportunity to go and to go to his funeral, her sister's funeral, and to sit there with his mom and to sit there with his family and all of his friends and just show that heartbeat of Christ. I don't say that I just show that heartbeat of Christ. I don't say that I'm not even all trying to pump up what we did but it's solely.
Speaker 1:it's just to say you know like we can set up. You know all these programs and different things that we do during the day, and what God does a lot of times is he then will open up the door for us to do things outside, for us to go to their families, for us to show the actual heartbeat of Christ outside of what we do on a day-to-day basis, and do it. I mean, it opened the door. I was able to pray for them. It was just so awesome. And now he's going to be going to a leadership class with me and you know God is just opening that door. But it starts with because when you bring in some of these guys that are coming from the prison, they're not going to let you just in. Most of the time, you have to show that, hey, I'm not just going to share Christ with you, but I'm going to live it out, and I'm going to be a little bit different in how we live it out and, as a result of that, god continues to open the doors. Man.
Speaker 2:You know the power of what you're doing is. You know, god showed me this. He said big is small and small is big. It's not about numbers, no more. It's about changing individual bloodlines. Like if you open up the doors and you say I'm having a big meeting, come one, come all, and one person shows up. God says you did a great job because you just changed the bloodline. You just changed the bloodline from that person on, a thousand generations will receive blessings because he received what you gave him and you were obedient to the call. And it's like.
Speaker 2:It ain't about numbers, no more. It's about how many people can you actually disciple at one time and being there and authentic. It's like no, what we do at KWM, we like to do stuff. Take them out to lunch. Hey, we're an open book. You need some help. Call me anytime If I can help you spiritually. I'm going to be there for you.
Speaker 2:And it takes a lot of sacrifice to do that because you have to. Number one you have to be open. You have to be an open book to people and you have to be available and they have to see you, because on the average in sales you probably know this If I'm trying to sell you something. You might not buy it on the first time. It'll probably take me seven times to get to know you before you finally say I'll buy what you're selling. So think about it. Seven is the number of completion. So it takes seven encounters, basically, with somebody for them to probably try to open up with you and say and then, but we're prepared for that moment, yeah, we're prepared for that moment, yeah, that's what we want, to be prepared for that moment. We don't want to be so self into self that the only thing that matters is my business. I like to think of it. On sowing, where I want to go If I help people. Oh Lord, here we go. Here we go If I help people and that's what we do at KTMF achieve their goals and their vision for the future.
Speaker 2:Only one stipulation let's put the kingdom first, right, I know that he will always be there for mine. I know that he will always be on the back end. You know, to expand my business I want supernatural, but I'm doing it the kingdom way, like the kingdom way obedience, sacrifice. If you help enough people to get what they want, you will always have what you want. You know that kind of thing. So I'm sowing into people's lives, you know. But I'm doing it with a clean conscience as well, too, like I'm doing this because I know what he did for me and I want him freely. I have received, freely, I'm giving it to you. I want him to do that in your business, in your life. The only thing our heart there to me is always this If you tap into the kingdom, I know you'll never turn back because you see that it works, and it works really well.
Speaker 2:God is like return on investment. God says how much are we dealing with here? How much do you really want you know as far as? And then, and then enters the stewardship how you steward your life, how, how you're, how you're stewarding the moments. I always tell people, if you want to do the big things in life and you've got these grand visions of that, the future there God will always back you up.
Speaker 2:It's like becoming is being. I think you might've heard me say that Becoming is being, in other words, in Christ, we're already in the future, operating, but I'm trying to become. I'm trying not to do all those bad stuff that I used to do. I'm becoming. When you stop becoming is when you stop going into the future. In other words, you're already in the future with God. So you have to reverse engineer.
Speaker 2:What would I be doing in the future right now?
Speaker 2:Praying, serving, obeying, sacrificing. Do that now. And as you keep doing that, you're going and one day you're going to sit there and you're going to like I'm in the future, like you're in your future right now. But then God says we're not done yet, we're just getting started. And then now you start, you write another vision to keep going. And God just keeps going. And what are you doing? Along the way You've been sowing into people's lives, changing bloodlines, and God says ah, those are the ones that get that picture. That said good and faithful servant, you know. And then when you offer God, like, look like I think of Paul, like, this I offer, I offer you the Gentiles, this I offer, I offer you the Gentiles, I died for them. In other words, he gave his life serving Christ, you know, preaching Christ crucified and resurrected to the Gentiles. And so we went up there and he goes I did what I did. I fought the race, I did it, I did, I did what you told me to do go after the Gentiles.
Speaker 1:And that was his like offering to the lord when he got up there, you know wow so, um, there's so many more questions that I want to, I want to go through, but for the sake of time, man, well, we have to do like a part two, yeah, um. So one thing that I've noticed and is this there's a revival going on across our world and it's awesome. I see what we do. I do a tent, revival, tent ministry every Tuesday down at University in Twain, and, and and. Man, it's just God's moving in such a big way.
Speaker 1:It's awesome because we have we have the ability to go to the same location week after week and develop relationships with these people, and I feel like a lot of evangelism is like smacking people in the face with the gospel Repent, repent, repent. And what this does is it gives me the opportunity to go develop a relationship, and I go back and back. I mean all the dope dealers are right around there. I mean there was two shootings that happened at that location within the last two months, and so it is one of the top three worst locations, worst intersections in the country at any given time. But I believe God's moving miraculously there because he is using us and other ministries that come in to show hey, he didn't come to condemn you, he came to redeem the culture, and so we're able to live that out. So are you seeing that like this nameless revival?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I heard a prophecy a long time ago and I believe it and I've been saying this at the hub. I go what if there's a revival going on, but you're so involved in self that you're not seeing it? And there's a word that came out by Dutch sheets that said that the revival is here and it's with the young people. And so while I was tripping out in Naples, florida, after I got my luggage back and I had to get it myself, in one day, the same day happened a young kid that I used to coach he's 30 years old, about to get married calls me up and he says I'm reading the Bible for the first time. Where should I start? I'm driving, so my wife is texting on what I told her. And then we go to a gift shop and we open and there's a young lady at the cash register with the Bible open and she looked at my wife and she says I'm reading the Bible for the first time. I don't know where to start and my wife began to minister.
Speaker 2:That happened in one day. And I go oh my God, we're in a revival with the young people. You know, 30 year old, younger and stuff like that, and we don't want to be. This is going to be different because in the past revivals we made an idol of the location and it's like I have a vision that it says it's here, it's there, it's everywhere, it's just happening, and God is capable of doing something in people like it's just everywhere. But what's going to be different is that he's preparing a remnant of business owners, entrepreneurs, people that aren't looking for a platform. We're looking to bring Jesus into the marketplace and looking for people that are willing to sacrifice their life to mentor people you know like. Mentor them, come alongside of them. Isn't it a genius of God that he does? See, I can deal with ex-drug addicts all day long yeah, because I used to be one and whatever he delivers you from, he sends you back into that realm.
Speaker 2:Come on, come on. That's genius of God. I'm sending you back and we have to be obedient and willing. I have purpose for you here because you can deal with them. You understand them, you understand the mentality, what they have going in their head, the hurt. You understand the hurt. You understand why they're there, why they took in that road, and you can help, mentor them or pray for them or be that pillar of that crossroad and you're their crossroad. And he sends us right back into the area of what he delivered from. Just like Moses, you served Pharaoh for 40 years. You served sheep for 40 days. Now I'm sending you back to go get my people out. That's what he's sending you Come on, yeah, oh my goodness.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that fires me up. That's kingdom no-transcript. Be around guys doing all the hard drugs and everything and have no desire except an overwhelming desire to just love on them.
Speaker 2:yes, and it just worked before, though, early in our walk, it was just like it was just like a hook trying to hook us again Exactly, and a lot of times we got hooked Yep, I'm just being like being led like a mule. Yep, back to the back pass. And but now see, that's where the transformational work that has been done in our lives, that it's like. I have no desire for that, but I have desire for their soul. Yeah, you know, to see them liberated. Yes, you know that's the redeeming aspect of the body of Christ that's so needed right now in our society and our culture.
Speaker 1:Amen, all right. Last thing, I'm very curious as to Um, let's ask this what is what is God teaching you right now, like, what is one thing that you're learning right now? And uh and then message to kind of two questions. So message to those that are listening that aren't believers.
Speaker 2:You know one of the things. It's funny because in your walk, especially when you, there was a time in my life that I finally got a revelation of the Lord that I had to lock myself up for and I realized one thing. I said I realized one thing and I wasn't doing it before. I said I finally made a covenant with God and I wrote it down. I wrote it down, I go, lord, this is what I want my all to be. I put all my kids, or all adult children, I put them first and I put me and my wife down here at the very bottom and I go and I just promise you, lord, that I'll just run to you when it's good, I'll run to you when it's bad, and I didn't know the severity of what I was doing. When it's good, I'll run to you, when it's bad, I'll run to you and just make you the center focus. What I didn't know I was doing was what David did. He always ran to God. But it made me realize that all through my 20s to 40s, mid 40s to about 48, I was always running to other things other than him. And when I did that, that took care of about 75% of all my issues because I kept running to him. Other 25% was iniquitous patterns inside my life and stuff like that. And so I learned to surrender that part of my life.
Speaker 2:And then immediately God began to do some crazy miraculous things in my children's lives. Like one of my sons said dad, all my, all my. He gave me a word saying I'm going to make sure that your kid's debt get canceled. That very morning my son called me up, paid $50,000, just disappeared from my account. What account? My student loan account. And I go are you kidding me? No, no, I'm serious, dad, and I'm like you're not going to believe what I just written down, what the Lord gave me. And then I'm like I'm like $50,000 just got released, yeah, and he reminded me he goes you're the one that put the children on the list. In other words, you're the one that put your children on the list first. And I'm like I feel like turning that list around and putting me on the top. But I go nah, they need it more than I do right now. But it shows me how important that God pays attention to even the order of operations that you write down when you make a covenant with him, almost to the T exactly. In other words, he's starting to work on them like that, you know, like in their lives, you know, and so you know, and then, and then he has, because once you make that decision, then he, it opens up the door for him to be able to start working on the inner layers of our lives.
Speaker 2:I believe that we need to go through baby seven. You know the stories in the Bible the little girl sneezed seven times. The king had to dip in the Jordan seven times. I believe I've been to about two or three deliverances, but I believe that it's a process for God to work through the layers. And it's a scary place to think that when you always get to one area of your life that you think you have overcome, and all God has to do is just lose your luggage one time and you're like feeling like you're back to normal, and all God has to do is just lose your luggage one time and you're like feeling like you're back to normal. And and you know that's a very humiliating place for me to be, especially cause I'm married now and it's like man, I feel like I'm just nothing, you know, because I just lost my cool over something that can be replaced, you know, and and so it's. It's a journey and it's a process that we don't ever think that we achieve the goal when we leave and we enter into the heavens and God says well done, my faithful servant. You know like that's when it's over and now we just wait for the judgment. But other than that is always being in a position with the Lord, that we're always wanting to grow in him and always be willing to allow him to work through the layers of our heart.
Speaker 2:And sometimes I like to study that kind of stuff. It's like iniquitous patterns, things in my blood. Why do I have a tendency to just fly off the handle? You know, why do I have those tendencies and I know that that doesn't line up with the word or something like that, you know and being willing and the courage to be able to have people around me that I can, that I can actually speak to and they could speak into life, having someone that I'm accountable to and stuff like that, and having those type of relationships that you know, leaders I don't even consider myself a leader, I'm only. I only consider myself anything that God says that I am, and I've been very careful on what he's called me. And then what other people have anointed me and spoken to my life, people that are apostolic in nature. I never want to be something that God has not called me to be and so being able to have the courage on the inside of myself to ask for help. You know, because when we're taking the journey, the enemy, he hates our marriages, he hates our families, he hates the unity. He hates that we're taking a leadership role in the family and, and you know, being like the leader watching the spiritual watchman over the household. He hates that and he's trying to do anything to derail the purposes and the future that he has for that specific bloodline, like the Walton bloodline.
Speaker 2:God has always had a picture of greatness, grandeur, but more than that is it's. Of course it's going to pay off. Good, of course the return on investment is going to be out of your mind can conceive, but the true impact is going to be what impact did it serve? The purposes of God in society and culture. See, that's the impact that he wants from us, because we already know that the kingdom business is good business, because it's all about him. But when you take your eyes off of him, then you get to a place, and you're seeing that in our culture today. You're seeing that even in big time ministries who made it out about the platform and where's God, and those systems are crumbling right now. And a new remnant is arising where you're, I'm starting to see it now. A new remnant is arising where it's not about a platform, it's about Jesus Christ and the follow through with that. You know what I mean. So just what he's working on. Yeah, it's not about a platform, it's about our heart, a remnant of fully devoted.
Speaker 2:I'm going to do what you called me to do. I'm not going to compromise, I'm not going to be complacent and I'm not going to sell out on the kingdom. It's like I have to answer those three things every single day. I'm not going to sell out for money. I'm not going to sell out for things that don't benefit me, because we're free to do anything. We're free to do all that, but is it beneficial? Does it serve God's purposes in our life? Because that's the difference between the kingdom and the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of this world. The world is not about me myself and I and you think you're going to take it all with you. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:And the kingdom of heaven is all about serving serving a greater purpose. I believe, serving a greater purpose than yourself, and I like to look at it as we're trying to restore bloodlines and we're the royal priesthood. Jesus created a kingdom where I created kings and queens, royal priesthood. We're like priests in the marketplace and we're stewarding. That's what you do here. You're stewarding the blood of Jesus in people's lives that have never heard about Jesus. They look at you like you're Jesus but you're not. But he rolls inside of you and they're looking at you for guidance and then, but you created a system that he's king. I'm just his servant and I'm stewarding the best of my knowledge. And then we're always trying to say, okay, lord, okay Lord.
Speaker 1:All right, guys, we are back. Sorry, we had some. Sorry, we had some technical difficulties. We're wrapping this thing up. We were talking about the order of Mount Melchizedek. We'll have to save that for a part two. But I was just saying to Miguel that he had said something a long time ago about honor and about honoring not honoring those, honoring your parents and just honoring those around you. And that's always stuck with me, because if we don't honor and honor our parents and honor those around us and specifically our parents is, I think, the angle that you were coming from we can be blocking a lot of blessings.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's one of the most key things. It's always the small details when it comes to the kingdom and we always think it's a big issue. It's actually the littlest issues like dishonoring parents, dishonoring leadership, dishonoring, and right now we're vibing what's changing? It's changing because now the blueprint of the ecclesia in the church is the foundation of the church was built on the apostles and the prophets. Okay, and so you're. They call it the new apostolic age. It's not new, it's what Jesus established through the fivefold ministry.
Speaker 2:And so, but honoring apostolic leaders, paul, look at the honor between Paul and Timothy, elisha, elisha, moses, joshua, I could keep going. The honor of Jesus and his disciples. Come on, we can just keep going. It was all based on relationship, it was all based off honor and loyalty, and so when we dishonor, we're breaking like one of the first commandments that talks about honor. Honor has something to do with living long. Honor your mother and father and it will go well with you. You will live long. You know what I mean, but I think it's that right there. I always have to think back in my own life, even recently in life where, dishonored, my wife spoke ill to her, you know, and the position she holds in the marriage or whatever, and so it's always one of those things I have to repent of. Like Lord, did I dishonor somebody that's holding me back from achieving, from being blessed the way you want to bless me? And if I did bring?
Speaker 1:it to my memory so we can just go handle it. Yeah, you know. Okay, that's awesome man. Yeah, that, that always stuck with me. Um, awesome, we're going to do a part two of Miguel. Hope y'all loved it.
Speaker 1:Just please share, download um with everybody that you believe can get an impact from this. Please comment below and comment your questions, because I want to start addressing some of these deeper topics and I really believe that that's where true revelation comes. And, you know, the last thing that I want to say is is some of the most, some of the best revelation I've ever gotten from god has never came from a commentary, a video, a podcast or anything. It's coming straight from his words, spending one-on-one time with god and god revealing things to me, and so, um, so, anyways, I don't know who needed to hear that, but I know I have needed to hear that a number of times. So, um, but I love you guys. I want to say one last thing man said this earlier, but just incredibly grateful for our friendship, I'm incredibly grateful for the, for the words you spoke over my family, over my business.
Speaker 1:Um, we met I don't know, it's been a while ago now six, seven, eight months ago, um, but I, you know, I'd opened the door like hey man, just just it was more for me um to give somebody access or that freedom to speak into Um, and so you know he's, he's one of the few guys that, like I've, I've felt confident and comfortable to kind of give that access to, if you will, and give some of that permission if you will, um and so. But, but, miguel, he's written us some letters that have just been so incredible, and so, um, find him on Facebook. Um, you can find him, just look up his name. Is it Miguel Garcia?
Speaker 2:Yeah, or KWM entrepreneurs hub. Uh, we're on Facebook and YouTube, okay, so we're streaming for the people that can't make it on a Friday mornings at nine to 10 30. And so we make every Friday, every Friday, uh, but we also stream it for the people that are business owners. They can't make it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, check that out on YouTube. It's awesome. So they've got a ton of videos on there and they also do mixers and some things like that If you're local to Vegas, so thank you, Miguel.
Speaker 2:Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1:You got it, brother, and I want to pray. We're going to pray this out, miguel's going to pray us out, but thank you guys for tuning in. Love you guys, and we'll see you next week.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, thank you, father, for this time of fellowship. Lord, and I just ask you, in Jesus name, lord, that whoever's hearing this podcast right now, father, that you just begin. Father, this is the year of supernatural grace, supernatural grace to overcome the things that we cannot overcome. Lord, I'm just speaking into this right now, father, that you provide the supernatural grace to overcome those issues that might be alienating us from you, from the purposes that you have in our lives. Lord, I just release the south wind of your power, the year of the wind, lord, the south wind of your power that brings abundance, prosperity and blessings into people. Father, I'm asking you to blow the east wind that comes against the enemies of God in their lives.
Speaker 2:In Jesus' name, propel us into our future, propel us, father. Propel us, father. Open up the doors that need to be opened. Close the doors that need to be closed, father, but open up our hearts, especially, father, that we can just serve the kingdom. Lord, serve, serve, serve the kingdom of God, father, and just make us instruments, instruments and pillars in our culture and our society today, that we would advance your kingdom purposes, even if it's one bloodline at a time, one person at a time, and we just bless everybody's coming and their goings, father in Jesus' name, amen. Amen.
Speaker 1:Amen. Thank you guys.