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Stonehenge and the Winter Solstice with Kris
Why was Stonehenge created?
As the Winter Solstice 2024 approaches, we explore the enduring mysteries of this iconic site. Why did our ancestors choose this specific location, rich in astronomical and geographical significance, to create one of the world's most awe-inspiring structures?
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In this episode, Phillipa is joined by Kris Warren, singer-songwriter and CEO of the band PolSky Corp, to dive into the fascinating world of megaliths. Together, they examine the possible purposes behind ancient constructions like Stonehenge and the profound meanings they might hold. Kris also brings his creative perspective, connecting the past to our modern search for meaning.
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During the conversation, we reference authors like Freddy Silva and Graham Hancock, whose books and interviews dive deeper into the history of megaliths. Check out their work for more insights
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Hi everyone, and welcome to moon beam musings today, we have our guest, Chris Warren to talk about Megalithic structures. Chris Warren is a singer songwriter, so welcome, Chris. Thank you for having me. Good to be here Megalithic structures. So I'll start with I'll kick us off with Stonehenge. So one of the something that I found quite interesting recently was around the fact that, in my ignorance, I thought Stonehenge was for pagans, and in fact, it's actually was built by Neolithic communities between 3016 100 BC or so, the experts say, and it was used to align with the solstice and for burials and rituals and seasonal gatherings. It's not that far from Avebury as well. I don't know if that's how you say it Avebury. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I just found it quite interesting, because I think I've never really paid much attention. There's a really great video I'm going to add on here, which I took whilst driving past Stonehenge a few weeks ago, actually. And I understood it was used for ceremonies, and it's been used for many, many years, and pagans and a lot of people still go there to this day in the UK, but I just assumed it was part of the pagan gathering. And in fact, the site itself for Stonehenge was used even before Stonehenge was built as a ground for burials and rituals and gathering, which alludes to the fact that it is, it has some significance to those cultures. For 1000s of years, it's had a significance. Yeah, for sure. Yep. I mean, it's a fascinating and eternally mystifying structure for a number of reasons. And, yeah, you know, I think you covered it there with, with, you know, I mean, there's plenty of interpretations on on its you I think it's you start with its use. Because what's interesting about that is, you kind of end up with a fundamental question, really, which is kind of why, you know, it is a sort of, it's a sort of thing would seem quite odd today, if you, if you just sort of went, Okay, there's a, there's a ceremonial what? What's the ceremonial equivalent today? You see, do you see, I'm asking something like a festival, or a, you know, like the Burning Man festival, something, for some reason, large groups of people, for whatever reason, became drawn to this place. And it the site itself had a certain quality about it. That one, one thing that just came up when you were talking about that, was this, this is through mainstream archeology. A really interesting feature about the site is that the I'll try and get this right, that the channel that runs on the summer source this, where the sun comes in between the two pillars during the solstice, of which, obviously they'd organize the stones to frame so that that's kind of without I don't think that's in question. It's like, it's a it's tracking the movement of the sun and possibly the rest of the planets, etc. But what's interesting is there's a natural so I say natural, there's a natural what's the word channel that geologists have proven is naturally forming, right? So there's a naturally forming channel which faces the direct point where the solstice rises up. And so the reason why that sort of come to mind is that something phenomenal. I can never say that word phenomenal logically missing about our understanding about in my view, in my view, there's something phenomenally, phenomenal logically missing in our understanding of these sites, because, and, and indeed, like what you could even say what the earth actually is, or something to on a much grander context, it's like, well, the Earth had provided, from a certain perspective, the Earth had provided the channel that which already gave direct alignment. To the sun rising on the solstice. Before the structure was even there, it was, like it was kind of meant, you know, meant to be, or whatever. So anyway, that kind of gets the imagination going. And I suppose that's a good way of framing from a personal point of view. It's you know, my sort of opinions on the subject, because that's what they are. I mean, I tend to read a lot about this subject. There's a lot of people that are really qualified in their field, and I'm more drawn towards the more esoteric, alternative views on the purposes, and to some extent, the dating of these structures. And there's a number of people that probably people out there have already heard of, like most, probably most popular name is Graham Hancock, who's got a series on Netflix, who's a proponent of a sort of pre diluvian civilization. That had a kind of technology that was able to put these kind of structures together. Because, I mean, where that jumps off in an interesting way is what is still currently unexplained in mainstream science, is what they've recently discovered, is the altar stone came from Orkney. So you're talking about Neolithic people, like getting a I don't know how many tons that stone is, all the way even, even if you explain logistically how they did it, there's a massive neon flashing, why? Why? Why? Why would they take a stone from 800 miles away across sea, and I don't know how seafaring, the momentum of being etc, you know, you're then left with a really big why is, did they go to all of that effort to get a particular stone from a particular area and bring it to another end of the country, I don't know, but I suppose where it's interesting, and that's where the theories emerge. And I have to admit, within myself, it's like, you know, I'm emotionally kind of invested or something, and a lot of these things because it, because it sparks the imagination. And I don't think that's a bad thing, because, you know, there is, I'm probably going way off piece here, but, but I think what it does is it actually connects us to something about our our humanity, something which is, it seems, lacking in the kind of modern age. One of a better term, why all these things becoming more popular again and more interesting is that there are the very at the very least, you could have Theory A, B or C, at the very least, that the the culture that built those those sites, had a much different view of reality than we do today, and possibly something that may be of great use to us in this Time of in quote, trouble, you know, of wars, and you know, we seem to be quite fractured as a species to an extent. And I can, I can see in myself that it draws me there, because at least in a romantic level, it kind of, it suggests a time where there may have been more harmony, there may have been more community. There may have been more there might not been true. It might have been brutal, but yeah, but yeah, and it probably was, but yeah, there's, there's a load of stuff that you've just sort of sparked off from, from the Yeah, I understand. Um, yeah. I mean, so back then, the belief systems were more in animism well, and people were more open to, you know, folklore and magic, and our thoughts and structures now are very fixed. It's why a lot of people talk about the patriarchy, and it's a very fixed way. And what that does is it makes reality very fixed, and doesn't allow for possibilities, other possibilities, and as we know, science is only the science that we know. Is only the science we know right now, and not the reality. It's also like philosophy science is research based, and that's what it's about, rather than it being gospel. And so, you know, I think, sorry, explain that bit for me. Well. Well, I mean, so based on when you when you're doing a scientific experiment, you'll have a certain amount of parameters, and you only know what you know at that point, and you come to a conclusion, yeah. But as science goes on, then they find out more things, then the conclusion becomes different. So the reality actually changes. So we only know what we know right now, and I think it's being open to the unknown, isn't it, and these people were more open to that. And so what was driving them may not seem logical, yes, yeah. That why they'd move a stone, you know, and they were perhaps more open to energetics of things, perhaps how stones could be charged. Or that particular stone was used in ceremonies up in the Orkney Islands, there could have been anything from tribes or tribes or the equivalent of of groups of people that were linked somehow. At that point, I would like to, I would say, for those who are interested in research, Howard Crowhurst, who's a, he's kind of, I would say, is an expert, a terrible word, because he's more like an alternative researcher into megalithic sites, but he's more in a in a kind of very layman's way. He connects the geometric lines between the sites of I've seen only his stuff on British Isles and France, but there's a line that runs through Avebury through to Carnac in France, that runs all the way through up to Orkney, and that, if you just do it on geometric like shapes, they're all kind of like triangles. And there was a there, at least appears from his research, there was a knowledge of of mathematics. Now, what? Well, at least, even if there wasn't a knowledge and mathematics, there was an internal reading of the sort of sites that had natural intuition, which turns out to be mathematical. You could reverse engineer it. It's just that we don't, as you COVID, the way of seeing the world, and so that's why it would intersect with somebody like John gisber, for me, is like talking about the different structures of consciousness, and, you know, potentially the builders of those sites in so again, John gets by. Look at look that one up. But you know, you've got the archaic I've actually always get them mixed up. So actually write this one down, but it, I thought it related really well to the subject archaic, magical, mythic, mythical, mental and integral, like layers of consciousness, which which could be attributed to a human lifespan, from childhood through to old age. It's a micro, macro kind of idea. But in theory, in theory, the the people that were building these sites would would be somewhere in the magical, mythical stage of consciousness, which is where in guest was terminology. It's where the individual starts realize, starts to see themselves as separate from the world, and so they start seeing time emerging as a linear process over so slightly so that so it would make it would stand to reason that they would want to map the stars and the cycles of things. Because you could see that time isn't, isn't at the very base level would have been the measuring of biological processes. You know, that's how it would have begun, or cycles. It would have been like that move from here to here. This kind of there is something about survival, though, as well, isn't there in in the cycles in harvesting, in growing crops and, yeah, so really crucial, right? Yeah, to to be able to the power that would have been given to those that understood that as well, would be worth considering. It's like you're probably seeing the emergence of the kind of beginnings of the the sort of transitions into the more modern world, where, even still, those with the knowledge of calendars, timings of things still still hold great power over the world. I mean, you don't have to dig too far into conspiracy theories to to know that things like elections and you know, polls and things like that are all are all kind of put on certain dates for certain strategic reasons. And somebody, I think it was a friend of ours, Jim Morris, that said. They teach astrology. So astrology that, you know, the version that we get is like, you know, Russell grant or whatever in the Daily Mail, but you know, the the actual knowledge of current, the calendrical studies I taught in Eton and the high, you know, the high pay, you know, the big scores or whatever, because, yeah, there's an obvious advantage to kind of knowing the cycles of things, because you're ahead of the game wherever the game is. So yeah, I think perhaps those, those the use of those sites kind of changed over time, as time as literally, as time became more solidified, as as time became because in guest buzz world, it's like, well, you know, we're in the mental in the fourth stage of consciousness right now, in The world where we're very much a separate thing, and time is very solid, and we're, we're in this battle against time. It's a race against time. You know, we've objectified time. And then the proposition is that the the phase after that is an integration of phase where we're able to see the other structures at the same time account for them all, and sort of not deny them. So I don't know that, sort of, that sort of links in a bit to, you know, maybe a resurgence in the interest of megalithic sites because it feels like whatever they were tracking, then it may be that we're tracking something similar. Now, at this tail end of whatever they call late stage capitalism, and there's a general they call it the meaning crisis, right? So John vivaki, that's another reference, if you you know some of the philosophers of the day are talking about the meaning crisis is very much what I write about in my band. What is the meaning crisis? Well, in my view, it's just the isolated self or the time based self that is in the race against time, certainly over the COVID era, has had that kind of sort of just almost shattered. And then it feels like we're all kind of just clambering around a little bit, just sort of going, Well, where was what it was like before that didn't really make sense. And then that was crazy. And now we're sort of in this weird world where we're sort of doing the same thing, but not, yeah, a bit lost, a little there's a little sense of a lostness, because it's like, yeah, it's an unknown and and perhaps that's why these sites have become so of interest again, because, like, they, who knows, they might have just, you know, that whole thing of, why did they bring it down from Orkney? Because they realized that it had some kind of energetic property, and that's what they do know. Like, technically, that is quartz, heavy in quartz, like a lot of all the stones there have, and they've measured that scientists, and it's like, well, it's really strong electromagnetic fields that are generated in these sites. So either that's an accident, you know? And they were just like, oh no. We just build, we just chose stones, and they all happen to have, like, heavy lots of quartz in them. But that's where I would say Freddie silver is really good, because he then talks about how those kind of techniques were carried through into church building in the early, early Christianity, and even to this day, that's the I love that when he said he's like, that's the that's why we have the word altar, because it's about altering the state of the mind and the and what they realize is that the quartz properties of the altar stone, or the stones in Stonehenge, are magnified in prayer or in a meditative state. There's an amplification process that happens because of and that's then you're getting into like toroidal spheres and and things like that. These energy the energy fields are formed through the interaction with the participant. And then, then you have entrance, entrance. You you go through the entrance to be entranced, and you go to the altar to be altered and and so it's in the language, but we just sort of got kind of lost anyway. Freddie silver talks really, really thoroughly about that. Yeah. I mean, if you I have heard that, for example, clear Quartz can record. Uh, information, right, right? So I don't know about other stones. I mean, in our Western culture, we use crystals and things like that for protection certain certain people. There's a more of an openness to that. Now, over the years, it was more hippy, you know, and there's certain people that disregard it, and certain people that believe in it, and they'll wear certain crystals and stones. There's a lot more being done now on vibrational energy and experiments and scientific experiments, as you say, yeah, looking at frequencies of things. So yes, I mean, you know, all those years ago this particular site, I mean, where it's placed, is beautiful, you know, it's very clear to see the sky, and it's sort of slightly raised. It's not a massive Hill, and it was used for rituals, etc. And then they've decided to put this particular structure there. Now we don't know exactly why they decided at that point to put the structure there, why they've chosen that specific material and stones to do that, but it could be an energetic reason. I mean, I like, I like to think of it that way. I mean, again, these are, these are where all these terrible searches are placing their attention. You know that? I mean, I mean, I think that does come from a from kind of you don't have to do that much reading in the subject to realize the traditional, the mainstream version of it is inadequate to really describe the kind of unusual, truly unusualness of the site and the purpose of it, and we just can't quite grasp why a culture would do that, really, because it's like a different I'm very much of the belief that, and it is a belief that that is a slightly different consciousness that was building those things, a very different view of the world. And you don't know, like, I mean, see, that's where it gets weird. I mean, my favorite kind of off the wall kind of theory, and it's even in the Bible, it's like, you know, the walls of Jericho, where they the walls came down. And in that story, it's like, they're using trumpets, and they walk around the walls of the city, like making sounds out of his trumpet, and the walls fall down. Now even that's allegorical and it's metaphorical, or there's something literal in the in the knowledge, or that may have been passed down from these times that sound, that we do know enough about sound that it can shatter glasses. It can cause mass anxiety. I mean, Hitler used to use their rallies to get people fearful. He just, like, send a low rumble. Now, some of these writers, and I'm like, Well, you can't discount it, because if you had enough focused attention and using frequency, you can levitate objects. It's been known you can do that. They've done that in laboratories. Now they know how to levitate objects with, you know, albeit very small. Now, you just don't know what kind of culture that had a much more innate connection, a different connection. I don't know, it's like, it's all very subjective, isn't it? But a different connection to nature and the very you know, being a human would have felt different. Perhaps we would have been less separated much more. And you know, you and I have experienced what a group is. You know, in group work, you can achieve much more than you can in a small group or even on your own. Now, I would say, if the purpose was there and the kind of intention was there, why couldn't you move an object from 800 miles away, you know, with the right in, the right intention behind it. But you gotta have the intention, because otherwise it would be pointless, right? Why would you go and why would you waste energy when you're in a harvesting cycle, you know, you're probably on death, you know, survival mode. It doesn't, it doesn't make any sense to kind of go and do that, unless there was an implicit there was another intention behind the culture. Yeah, it's, what's, what's the motivation? So, for example, if you look at the Coliseum in the forum in Italy, yeah, in Rome, which I love the you know, the motivation behind building that the forum was where people lived, and it was a place that was quite important to society there at the time. But the Coliseum was for entertainment, and they spent all that money on a place for entertainment, and it was, that's what it was built for. So you're going a little bit more into the commercial left brain world there, because there's. The feedback is people would pay. It was also community based. There wasn't a more of an element of community than perhaps sometimes nowadays, there is when things are solely commercial based. But this, you know, when we look at it practically, we, you know, with our left brains, we can't say, Well, why would you just stick a load of stones in a circle there, and, you know, what's, you know, you what's the point of it? Yeah. And you could say simply, you know, because practically, they can go, Well, you can see that they're measuring the sky, but it's a really, it's a lot of effort, you know, and it's got more opulence and grandeur to it, to measure the sky. I mean, surely they could have done that with the smaller, you know, it was something celebratory. At the very least, you know, it was like they were, they were connected to something which, which I don't know it seems to have, like more, more a joyous relationship with the with the cosmos, or what have you, the world and the cosmos. So, yeah, I I think there's much to much to discover in that. I think we are in the it feels like we are in the time where the the rigidity of things is starting to loosen up a bit. That's why it feels like a little everyone feels a little bit like, Oh, I'm already sure what's going on, sort of thing, because it's loosening up a little bit. And even like mainstream science is starting to go, oh, hang a minute, like, you know, maybe we don't know everything. We're not at the kind of we're not at the pinnacle that we thought we were, you know, we haven't accounted for consciousness, you know. And people are going back to people like David Bowen and, you know, Krishnamurti, that the conversation between those two when they're really exploring the kind of links between where science and philosophy the really the really crucial conversations that are going on simultaneously. I'd say that is healthy when there's philosophy and science working kind of together. But it felt like recent times it's just been like empirically, science, data modeling, and, you know, math, math is all but it's not. It doesn't really, yeah, it doesn't hold well, it Yeah? I mean, all of these, all of these discoveries, are always through a lens, yeah? And, you know, you've always got to look at the motivation. And if someone spent their life work, researching something, then their motivation is going to be to prove it, yeah, and, and it may not be done on purpose, but the outcome may be, well, it will be through their lens, you know. So everything's seen through the different lens. So if you're more on the philosophical side, you're going to see things more in that way. And if you're more on the scientific side, you're going to see through that way, because we're all human, and we're seeing reality through our own, our own lenses. So there's no right or wrong. All we can have is a conversation. Yeah, well, that's what that's that's what I mean. Yeah, exactly like the conversation seems to have dried up a little bit. And then, you know what's really what made me laugh the other day, and it's just the way YouTube frames it, but it was like Richard Dawn, Richard Dawkins and Brett Weinstein, who's like, he's kind of like a fringe ish, like figure that it anyway. He's kind of representing the the spiritual side of the argument, with Richard Dawkins being the staunch, like, atheist. And the way it's kind of framed is, like a wrestling match, you know? So you go new gym is like, Dawkins V Weinstein, and it's got, like, really, you know, they're all sort of like aI airbrushed images of them sort of ready to, like, beat the like, that's, that's the kind of, that's where, that's where science is at. That's the gulf that exists between, you know, the the technical terms of that is like the reduction, reductionist, materialist viewpoint, and then the other side, which, I'd say, he's a really intelligent guy, wine, this Weinstein guy, but there was, there's something anyway. I won't go too much into that, but he's kind of representative of, kind of like a movement towards something that would be akin to an animistic, a more animistic approach to science, ie, that consciousness is imbued in everything, rather than the, you know, we're sort of objectively, the world's out there, and we're in here, and that's, you know, we're just a brain, and which is true on one level, right? But the sort of more animist stroke spiritual approach would be to say. A Well, we haven't accounted for consciousness in the in the maths and the science that we're doing. It's it's all, it's all down to the reduction to things, to their component constituent parts. And the smaller you drill down, you just find smaller and smaller and smaller and bigger and bigger. But, you know, but you haven't fully accounted for the perceiver in the in the experiment, if you like. So, you know, personified by the double slip experiment, you know, which there's still the wave and particle kind of paradox. But, yeah, like, it's an interesting point in time where, you know, that's the only way that the discussion can happen. At the moment, it's like a wrestling match. They're on stage together, just going, but at least it's happening, you know, at least it's starting to, starting to happen. Yeah, we started with Stonehenge, but I think, I think it's really, I don't know it it felt, it felt like, to me, something really shifted, really shifted over the COVID area era and and now it's like, sometimes I'm reading, I'm reading articles. I'm like, wow. Like, does, I'm just reading one article in the paper, and it's talking about the stone coming down from Orkney. And it's like, and then they would have put it on rollers, and then they would have rolled it down the thing for 800 miles and popped it on top of the thing with, ah, that looks nice, doesn't it? And there's not even a little little kind of like, Oh, why would they do that? You know? Yeah, no one's questioning. It's like, you know how many twigs they had to, sort of roll the stone from Orkney onto a boat and then all the way down. And it's like, Yeah, but why did they do that? It's like, you don't, you don't have any of that inquiry. No, exactly. A lot of these, a lot of these programs, which is one of the reasons I wanted to do this YouTube channel and podcast, because what a lot of the programs around these are really interesting, and it's good to have that side and to think how, how did this happen, and how did they build the pyramids, and how, you know, but there's when you look at humans, that's what I'm really interested in, their motivations and why they did things. And, you know, if we go back to Stonehenge, everybody thinks, oh, Stonehenge. The stones at Stonehenge. But actually it's 26 kilometers. You know, it's not just the just not just the structure in the middle, it's that whole area. So there's something about that whole area. And earlier, when you were mentioning, was it Howard Crowhurst? Was it? Was what he does is that along the same route as the ley lines? Or is it a completely different Yeah, it's related. I get mixed up a little bit because Freddie silver again, like just recommend everyone just to go and watch a few videos from both but it relates to the the ley lines, or source energy. That's 111, way of describing it. Howard Crowhurst, as far as I remember, because it's been a while since I watched his stuff. He his his ideas were something around that the sites themselves were kind of like a like an acupuncture on the earth. And so I've heard it said before about England, England, and specifically British Isles, that it produces an unnatural, not an unnatural. That's an unprecedented amount of healer type people because of the type of, like composite, it's the dead do with, like the earth composition and all kinds of stuff. But I'm going off piece a little bit there. But his ideas are something that it wasn't just ceremonial, like measuring the skies and things like that. There was a, it's almost like an acupuncture procedure on the planet itself. And they were aware of how to if you did that, and you did that, then it would create an energy link between here and here and and you're sort of directing energy in a you know. So I'm not sure in mainstream science, where they're actually kind of proven ley lines or energy, I think they're very aware of, like energy, currents of the Earth, like electric, yeah, so like the chi of the UK, or the chi of the what globe, or, yeah. Then you're into, like, the really nuts conspiracy theories, which are, of course, love. But then, you know, there. An idea that there was some knowledge that the the earth was going into a period where it was going to be very challenging for humanity, and these sites were deliberately placed to maintain a certain frequency over a longer period of time, and that's really out there, but I quite like, you know, there's the problem with I have, is I'm willing to go with those things. But, well, I mean, you look at the we're we're living in a western society, and we're brought up in a in a western world, and you know, we are open to more things now, because many years ago, we wouldn't have been open to acupuncture, and that is still practiced in the East. And a lot of things are practiced in the east that are not fully understood by the West, even today. So it's not just in from the past, it's that as well. So you know, if you said to someone in the East about this particular concept with the earth, and very much so it could well be believed by people quite easily. So I think we have to take that into account, and that's why it's so important, the motivation and where everyone's coming from, like their culture, their belief, their where they've grown up, how they've been indoctrinated. You know, is it about the East because, you know, I don't know enough about the subject, but I know a little bit in that one thing that just came to mind there is somebody said that the drag the dragons of China, like especially the dragons symbolize the the ley lines that the sort like source energy. Okay, so dragons were very much part of that kind of mythos, or what have you, because the Chinese had a through, you know, Taoism and all this kind of stuff. It's still very much present in the culture as well, even though they've kind of adopted an in, quote, kind of more capitalist system. You know, they're much more in the modern kind of in that sense, but they've still maintained quite a lot of the the understandings of energy and the, you know, that type of thing in the culture. But, yeah, like, I quite, I quite like that idea that the dragons were because they're the the idea of the source, the person. That's where the word sorcerer comes from. It's the manipulation of source. And, yeah, of course, of course, no, they power and good fortune. Dragons in, yeah, in Chinese, I can't remember who said that anyway, but it just came into my head. But I quite like that as a at least symbolically. Yeah, so COVID, quite a lot on Stonehenge, yeah. Sounds sounds good. No, it sounds good. I mean, anything else you want to mention on that? I don't think so. I mean, you know, like I can already feel myself going, it's just opens a whole, you know, can of worms, basically, in terms of subjects. It could go everywhere, but I but that's probably because it, it sort of feels like that. That's that area of study is, is become really popular again, because it's timely. It's literally time to kind of reinvestigate what, what those cultures were up to, you know, what were their, as you said, like, what are their motivations and and perhaps, because I think we, we're so at a loss, but it seems, on a mass scale, we're at a loss of, kind of going well. The system that we have is kind of running out of steam. Yeah, there's a dissatisfaction in society right now. There's not, there's not a collective, there's not a meaning. If they call it a meaning crisis, for that reason, it's like, well, why? Why are we working all of our lives to earn this and do this, and have we missed something fundamental about the nature of being, yeah, I in that, you know, and something about these sites represent an opportunity for us to go back and rediscover something about our humanity that perhaps has got lost or is there to be rediscovered, if you're looking a bit more glass half full. Yeah, I mean the introduction of of the internet and technology advancements in recent years, you know, have highlighted consumerism and also made info. Information available, very available, which can be quite overwhelming, because there's a lot of information available now. It's also what's true, what's not true. And I think it's opened up a lot of questions, questions about self, questions about, you know, there's the whole creativity question, because jobs are some jobs are less creative now, and we may move into a different era with AI. So it opens up a lot of questions, basically, which we won't go in today, but I'm sure we will have you back, whatever field you talk about, whatever podcast you do, it'll end up with AI. I should have tried to avoid it. Maybe that's a video. AI is a really good one, you know, yeah, okay, well, let's, let's bring you back in to talk about AI. Then we're into the left brain, right brain issue. It'll call it an issue. But you know, if you have a an AI, which is more left brain, and what would a right brain? Ai be right? But I don't think we have that anyway. That's relevant. Podcast, yeah, that is well, well, thank you so much for joining us today, Chris. We appreciate it and and all many of the different people that you've mentioned and books and things. What I'll do is I'll post that in the description below, and also links to some of the work that things that you're working on, such as your music, etc, will also be there. So yeah, everybody, take a look in the description.
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