EP.96 Damage You Don’t Outgrow | Mr. Grim Legacy

This one isn’t easy—and it’s not supposed to be.

In this episode, I sit down with Mr. Grim Legacy and we dig into the parts of childhood most people avoid talking about. Abuse. Divorce. Sibling rivalry that turns into lifelong tension. The kind of environments that don’t shape you… they scar you.

We’re not here to play victims—we’re here to tell the truth about what it does to you when you grow up in chaos, and what kind of adult it forces you to become.

Because the reality is… you don’t just “get over it.”
 You carry it. You adapt to it. And if you’re not careful—it defines you.

This is what happens when childhood doesn’t feel safe… and adulthood is built on top of it.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:03

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SPEAKER_02 0:15

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SPEAKER_03 2:09

Ha!

SPEAKER_02 2:09

Breath time.

SPEAKER_01 2:10

All right, now that all that's said, big Dave Anderson. How are we doing today, brother? I'm doing good, brother. You know, another day alive, you know, the gods have blessed me with another day, so I can't be any happier. All right, let everybody know where they can find you. All right, guys. Um, I'm heavily active over on um Instagram and Facebook. You can at the Hammer Drops. Um, if you know what I'm gonna make it real simple for everybody. Just go to fucking Google, type in the hammer drops, and you'll see where all the special places that I'm at. And don't forget to go check out Cliff's new uh OnlyFans page that he just launched. Watch his feed.

SPEAKER_02 2:44

I start naked and then you pay me to put my clothes back on. But it's an auto feed. You can't turn me off until you pay.

SPEAKER_01 2:51

How's that working for you? I mean, you gotta be passive.

SPEAKER_02 2:54

I should have I should have my Ferrari by next winter. All right, so like I said, we've got a special guest with us. A friend of ours is joining us today. You know him as Mr. Grim Legacy. We know him as Christian Paul. How are we doing today, brother?

SPEAKER_04 3:12

What's going on, guys? I gotta say, just straight out the gate, I am an exclusive member to your only fans. I don't know how it started, but I'm definitely paying to make it fucking stop. Okay, that's the whole plan. That's the whole honestly, guys. I am I'm uh uh I've been a fan of both of you guys for a long time, and uh uh I know more so you, Cliff. Uh, but hammer drops, dude. You got both of you guys uh stoked to be here, man. Super stoked. Let's let's talk about some crazy shit.

SPEAKER_02 3:41

So speaking of crazy shit, look at you. You look like a crazy shit. Tell us about Christian Paul. Let's go all the way back because, well, you know what? Let's not go all the way back just yet. When I stumbled upon you on Instagram, I was like, okay, so and and it was one of those videos where I, you know, typically, I'll be honest with you, typically I scroll right past these, but you had this little, this, this air, this inkling, this feeling about you where it's just kind of wanted to make me, I gotta listen to this dude. Let me just take one second out of my day and listen to what this motherfucker's got to say. And the reason I typically scroll past, because you had your sunglasses, you had your hat, you had your hood. Like, I was like, holy shit, he just stole something and he's in it, he's in the stolen car. But then you hit us with some real life shit. And I was like, okay, this dude's cool. This dude's got it going on. Yeah, it's something like that. He just put his sunglasses on if you're not watching. But uh, I you you were you were spitting some real life truth, and I knew in that moment that you had more to offer. So when we, you know, when I when I when we connected, we kind of just seemed to hit it off a little bit, you know, pretty, pretty well. Like it was more natural than anything. It seemed a little, uh, it seemed natural for sure.

SPEAKER_04 4:58

It didn't seem forced.

SPEAKER_02 4:59

So I I gotta we let now we can go back to you know what created the the man that is on our camera today, that is on our show and in our lives, because you don't get certain tidbits of reality, you don't get certain perspectives on reality in the world without living through some shit. And my thing is my whole thing is mentality. I understand when we met, I was culture, I was doing the cultural commentary thing, but I've always been a mentality expert. And I that's what I did before the cultural commentary, and now that cultural commentary has run its course for me because it just fucking fell on deaf ears, nobody gave a shit, you know. Or well, people gave a shit, but it just didn't start didn't create the change. So I'm back to the mentality aspect and the perspective aspect, which is why I was intrigued by you. So I know you've gone through some shit. Let's start. What was what was little Christian Paul's life like?

SPEAKER_04 5:55

Well, uh uh before we started recording, uh, you and I spoke briefly about how uh things can get a little off in the weeds and get uh a little serious, a little dark. Uh that if I tell you about my early life, that's gonna happen immediately. Sweet.

SPEAKER_02 6:12

Are you cool with that? Yeah, fuck, dude. Hey, very few people out there got a darker life than I had, and I shared it, so let's hear it.

SPEAKER_04 6:19

Well, so um I am also uh again, one more time. Thank you for having me. I'm very stoked about this. Uh so I'm 43 now. Uh as you can see, I'm I'm pretty heavily tattooed. Uh I've sang in metal bands, uh death metal bands, I've fished in the Bering Sea in Alaska. Uh I've uh I've uh I've I've hitchhiked across the country. I've been homeless, I've been I've been drunk, I've been high, I've been I've been a fucking douchebag, and I've also been a hero. But when it comes to the the early life, uh this is this is a little bit raw, but I I told myself that if I'm gonna be going forth in life and the things that I'm working on myself, uh I have to be able to get through to the people that want to hear the actual story. So it goes like this. I am and I told my family I'm gonna be talking about this so they know, and if even if they don't, it's I'm allowed to talk about whatever the fuck I want to talk about. I am the youngest of five kids. Uh I am technically I have a twin sister, but because you know she's uh because she's 38 minutes older than me, I'm I'm the youngest. She's older than me, right? You know how you know how it goes. You know how it goes. Uh but but uh my uh so I have me and my twin sister, I have one dad, and then my older sister and my two older brothers, they have another dad. And okay, uh, so my father, my or my brother and sister's father, his name is Michael. Uh he has since passed away and rot in hell. Uh he tone early. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. He uh I told you there the only way to get to the answer of why is Christian so intense and why does he act and feel the way he does is because you don't get you don't get 43 years of of going through it and learning from it if you don't have a basis of where it comes from. My mom's my mom's first husband beat the absolute dog piss out of her and all of the kids before me and my twin sister were born. She got a divorce from that guy and married another guy who was my dad. My dad turned out to be a child rapist. My biological father was a pedophile, a violent, crystal meth-addicted, drug addicted, in and out of prison, violent pedophile. He went to prison three days after I was born, after me and my sister were born. And I'm not going to name names or say who, but in the time that my mom was with him and my other brothers and sisters were born, he ruined some lives. Let's just say that, okay? He ruined some lives. Yeah. And in that, you go through a life of like uh early on, is no, because he went to prison when he went to prison. Uh, I lived an entire life of always looking entire childhood, of always looking over our shoulder when we would go to like Kmart grocery shopping. Didn't know when this motherfucker was getting out of prison, right? Never met him, never saw him to this day. Uh actually that's a story for for later, but um and my uh brothers and sister uh from from the other dad, they were in and out of group homes for behavioral issues. Who would have thought? Shocking. Yeah, and uh um so with that with with all of that being said, that was the that was the first I don't know, ten years of my life was constantly waiting to see if some motherfucker was getting out of prison to come take the claim of his children he had never met and possibly wreak havoc on the life that he had already broken. And then my brothers, one was four years older than me, and one is nine years older than me. Uh uh, they grew up seeing this child, myself, come from a spawn of Satan in their eyes, and that spawn was locked behind bars, so I was the target for all of their rage. And so I spent a lot of my years trying really hard to be close brothers, and that I could tell they wanted to be brothers too. I could tell, but they also wanted pain to be inflicted on something that they couldn't reach, and I was the closest thing, yeah, and they and I was the closest thing, and so um fast forward, uh I was basically f I was fatherless for until I was about 11. And then my mom met uh ironically, her her her now husband of 25 years, wonderful, wonderful man named Michael. And the reason I say ironically is because the first guy that used to beat the crap out of her, his name was Mike too. So uh, but excuse me. Uh so the really young is just a whole lot of you know reaching up, uh reaching up for something that wasn't ever there, had a had a a pretty badass uncle who was like he was uh uh just a 70s biker, just fucking just like hard drinking, hard smoking, hard, hard hitting, but not like abusive hitting. Like he was just an outlaw, right? But he was also a my nephew, my nieces and nephews aren't gonna know only pain in their life. And so he would he kind of stepped in as like a male figure.

SPEAKER_02 12:08

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_04 12:09

And then, and then my through like you know, through years and years and years of uh, you know, reconciling and growing and fist fighting my my my fucking brothers, and we eventually kind of came to this like like we're we're actually we're actually all going through something together, so we would be stronger together than against each other. And uh and um yeah, that that that that worked for a period of time for most of my life. Uh I got a brother, I got my brother Jake. He's uh he's uh uh four years older than me. He and I currently don't really talk. Uh he's actually close, the one of the closest to like one of my best friends, but because I know so much about him and because of all the pain that he's gone through that he won't try to fix, we are constantly because I am 100% after 18, it's your responsibility to heal. Nobody's coming for you. It's your responsibility to get past this shit. It might not be your fault, but it's your responsibility to heal, right? You know what I mean? And uh, you know, doesn't really see things that way. And um, when this comes out, I'm sure he'll watch it, and he knows, and I know I love him to death, but you don't get to treat me that way without either losing me or fighting me again, and I just don't want to do that anymore. So and uh yeah, so uh you know, pretty rocky road starting out in uh life, but I think it what's crazy is that that that rocky road, if you're if you're any, if you're anything special or if you think that there's anything special coming around the corner to save you, getting that ideology out of your head early in life, even if things don't happen bad, like horrible, horrible, bad in your life. Getting that idea out of your head early is gonna set you up for being able to be have the armor for the battle. Yeah, if you think that there's gonna be somebody out there that's gonna swoop in and save you, sorry, bro. Sorry, silver spoon, bro. It ain't happening, right? It ain't happening. And so uh I don't know what else you want me to say. I got all sorts of stories, all sorts of crazy shit, but we'll we'll get into that.

SPEAKER_02 14:21

But I'll tell you this like you know, um, I've I've long said that if the successful, the most successful adults, like the people that and I don't mean success in you know, it doesn't have to actually pertain to people's vision of success of the Ferraris and this and that. Success can just be having a healed heart from all the abuse. Um most of the successful adults in this world got the idealism fucked out of them real early, and that's a terrible process to have to go through because you know, as parents, you always want your kids to, you know, you want the world to be full and mat full of wonder and magic and all this other shit for your kids forever.

SPEAKER_04 15:02

What kind of parents you have, though. That depends on what kind of parents, because some parents they go, they're fed, they're sleeping, they're fine, they'll raise themselves. And other parents are like what you say, they really do want better for whatever happened before them. But that you really got to balance those two things out, though, because sometimes those sometimes parents don't give a shit about their kids, and it's true. I lived enough of it. I don't know if you did at all, but like oh yeah, sometimes you they they don't care. I lived it stuck with this little thing because I just I decided to you know not pull out. Yeah, there is some of that in there in this world, bro.

SPEAKER_02 15:39

I lived it to the point where, like I mentioned, like I said, where I told the story on Bruce Calero's uh Be Great podcast when I was a guest. Um, I lived it. I fucking lived it to the point where I fucking sucked on a fucking shotgun barrel when I was 12 years old.

SPEAKER_04 15:53

Yeah, I remember that. I saw that. I remember, man.

SPEAKER_02 15:56

Some kids, some parents don't give a shit, and you know, but there's I mean, there's varying degrees, like you know, I think my parents gave a shit. They just didn't know what gave a shit meant. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Yeah, they didn't know to what degree give a shit you need to be. But good parents, good parents, you want the world to be full of wonder and magic for your kids forever, and it just won't be. However, you know, so you know that they're they're gonna have to have the idealism fucked out of them at some point, but you don't want to be the ones to do it, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 16:26

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. You shouldn't have to have the i idealism fucked out of you. Like uh eventually the world's gonna do it either way. And I don't want to like say, oh, no kid should be able to walk around with ignorant bliss, because one once that ignorant bliss is broken, that's where the real world sets in, and you get uh again, all your idealism is just just like ripped out of your head, and you realize what the the the the shroud of the of the the warm blanket of the world is pulled back and you see exactly what life truly is. And if you're a good parent, and I don't have any kids, so I'm not I'm not the guy that's saying how things should be, but when you get to a spot where that where that where that shroud is pulled back, if you didn't have anything for like anything, if you didn't have any sort of a like a pampered butt lifestyle whatsoever, it's not as shocking when you go, oh I I I had hoped that the world wasn't this way, but I guess I kind of saw it coming, rather than like the people that had a really good a good thing, and then life rips them apart and then they they completely break because they didn't know that there was any sort of horrible happenings in the world until it just smacked them in the face. And they were it was like completely unexpected. But I just there's so much that there's so much that people can go through uh as or there's so many different avenues that people can go through at at younger ages that can really define how that how that slap in the face of the world is gonna affect them mentally. And I think that because of the kind of you know childhood and stuff that I had, it set me up for a way for me to understand more. I I never really had a whole lot of like hope. I I don't want to say I I don't want to say hope because I I still even even even at my age, I still have hope. I I have met some horrible people and I've met some some I can't believe how good these people are. I can't believe that that that people like this are this good, right? But then so when you it just it balances out to where where what do you what are you gonna get from it? Like what what are you gonna take from uh being oh my god, my world is so broken and I I I'm too young to see the the earth this cold and dark, and at the same point kind of shut up, bitch, it's always been this way, sack up. Yeah, you know what I mean? That line right there is it's kind of hard hard to define.

SPEAKER_02 19:02

That's a transition that everybody has to go through, you know, and and like you were saying, we we've all got varying degrees of how we deal with that transition or how we're set up for that transition, or how we're gonna feel about that transition, how we register that transition, you know, in in with with the kids that are that were you know deeply abused and you know, way you know, like I always said I always say I became the person that I always looked up for then that was and was never there. I'm that guy for the other fucking people. Um you can take that route, you know, or but but sometimes but that's a lot of things like I also don't like to say that I you know I consciously decided at some point in my childhood that I wasn't going to become my father, I wasn't going to become his friends. It was just a natural progression. I I was gifted by my gods to be the person that could have the mental capacity to see what was happening and use it as a warning signal. Like my one of my favorite comedians, Sam Tripoli, he always says he always says he's like he's like, you either live long enough to be an example or you live long enough to be a warning. Be an example or be a warning, but you're gonna you've got to teach somebody. My parents were warnings, you know. My life gave me a bunch of warnings, so I was already prepared for this other shit, you know. Um, but uh like a lot of people, like my wife, my wife was my life. Well, my wife is the person that you know, she grew up in a pampered household. She grew up in a household where she literally asked for a pony and fucking got a horse, stabled up all the shit she needed. Like, yeah, she was that. But hey, you can't hate on that.

SPEAKER_04 20:39

No, I don't like those, oh, it must have been nice. I hate those people anyway. Sorry.

SPEAKER_02 20:43

But when she goes, but when she went to college, she openly admits when I went to college, we're the world became real. Like I didn't understand how to deal with this. I didn't know how to do my laundry, I didn't know how to do shit. And it's because you know that pampered lifestyle just kept her kept her, you know, in uh under under cloak in the dark, and then she had to wake up as an adult. And I think that's an incredibly difficult transition to have to wake up as an adult to an adult world. You know, it's almost easier in a sense to do it as a kid.

SPEAKER_04 21:12

Well, if you yeah, because if you if you think about it, you go, uh, oh, I I I had to wake up into adulthood um into an area in space where the where technically, legally, the help is gone. You're over 18. The help is gone. Right. And so if you're like you have to wake up to the the horrors and the tragedies of the world and you're saying 15, right? Like there's there are legal places where there is help and guidance. They they they they can kind of help you get through, I don't know, some therapy or go to a guidance counselor or something that can kind of like, hey, here's here's uh we're trying to help, even though it might not help, we're trying to show you that we're helping. There's some sort of uh there's some sort of a A guidance there. But after 18, dude, like good fucking luck. You know? Yeah. I'm not saying. I'm just saying, like, yeah, good luck, dude.

SPEAKER_01 22:13

Like, I know I know I know for me, my family, like we didn't uh we had to learn very young to take care of ourselves. Like we we had to do the laundry, the the mowing the lawn, the yard care, cooking, all that stuff. Like, so I mean I'm for I'll be forever grateful for my parents for you know making us do those things, but we didn't have much of a choice because we were always in constant fear of losing the house, losing this, losing that, because you know, I my dad, you know, he wasn't my biological father, but he was my dad, you know. Uh yeah, he liked to drink a lot. So, you know, I I remember growing, you know, growing up, he my mom had to go pick him up and gets him back to the house, and he's sitting in the car, he's like he was literally trying to drive his car into a brick wall, you know, because he just wanted to end it. And it's just like so. I mean, we my family, man, I mean, it's just like we we've been through the arena, and uh when I was that young and I was seeing all that stuff, it's like I knew then like I wanted a better life for myself and if I ever had kids or anything like that, because I wouldn't want my kids to have to go through what I went through growing up.

SPEAKER_04 23:26

Yeah, it it's it's it's such a it's such a wild thing. They say like the um you got like the the the story of the of the man with two sons and one became an alcoholic because his father drank, the other one never drank because his dad was an alcoholic, and it's like the two the two the two avenues of excuses or like life choices. Like I I spent I spent a lot of my like youth, you know, just drinking and partying in a way, not not quite realizing like and it it's it it's no real hardcore special story. Um it's my story, so it's intriguing and special to me, and it's unique to me, but like you know, just cocaine and dru and alcohol and smoking weed and mushrooms and acid and whatever. Never got real hard into like math or hero. I did like math and heroin a couple times in my life, but like party drugs, right? Like escapism drugs and stuff like that. And then now, like sitting back at 43 years old, like like I I maybe drink like three times a year now. I don't smoke weed anymore. I quit smoking cigarettes a few months back after my my heart episode. Um well it wasn't a hard episode, I just wanted to anyway, but um you know, and so sitting like back in and the avenues that you choose to walk, like my uh my my my brother, uh again, he's probably gonna watch this episode. Like, he can't not drink, dude. He can't not drink. He said, I recognize what's going on and who I am as a person, but because of my life, I I perpetual victim. Perpetual, I refuse to to take responsibility for what I know I could fix in this life that is mine, and constant blame, perpetual victim, and still just drink, drink, drink. Not like constantly drunk, but constantly drinking. And if you if you guys you guys are full-grown men, you know the difference between constantly drunk and constantly drinking. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_03 25:27

Security blanket.

SPEAKER_04 25:29

Exactly. And I can't go, I can't go to a single family function. I went to a one-year-old's birthday party, and that bro is slamming down IPAs in the backyard. You know? So it's like how you how you grow and deal with certain things is it's again the shield, the blanket, the shroud that when you have to become an adult, the way that you shock your system into into oh, I guess I do got, you know, you know, death and taxes, so I might as well just drink until one of those two things takes me out.

SPEAKER_02 25:59

Yeah, if you get if you get too blackpilled, life, life gets even darker than it ever had been at its worst. Like that's a fucking.

SPEAKER_04 26:06

I can't let myself get blackpilled, uh uh pilled. I I've I've uh watched and listened to a a number of your episodes, and every and and I've I've heard you say, fucked the idealism out of them, real quick. That phrase, I've heard you say that a handful of times. And every time I hear it, I go, God damn it, Cliff, are you broken on the inside? Of course. But hold on, no, no, no, I'm not not as an insult. What I'm saying is like I can't be the person that goes, there is no hope. But I do but sometimes I don't know if that means is there no hope because I refuse to understand that there really is no hope and I'm lying to myself, or am I giving myself the the forward momentum of hope that I'm still going to be able to accomplish what I want in this life, that I'm still going to be able to make the money that I want and and and live the life that I want, and that that humanity can take a turn in the right way and stuff like that. And so sometimes I don't know if I'm lying to myself or if I'm because I I try really hard to not have the ego of like I know what's best and I'm just gonna move forward because I could be a fucking nobody who knows goddamn nothing. But I don't like being so unidealistic and so blackpilled that I don't like I'm not gonna be the guy that goes like I'm gonna trust in my government or I'm gonna trust in these systems, but I'm also not gonna go, I'm also not gonna say like that it's all lost and gone. I can't, I can't, I can't be the I can't be the doomsayer. I'm not the doomsayer. The way I think it I think it's because I've been through so much in my life that I've bounced back from that there is proof in that bounce back that not everything is black.

SPEAKER_02 27:53

So when I when I say fuck the idealism out of them, I mean just that. If you live idealistically, you're destined to have a very poor life. You have to learn to live I I realistically, not idealistically. Uh and when it comes to hope, everybody that has that gets up every single fucking day and can smile, have a fucking laugh with some people, interact with people outside of fucking sitting on a goddamn building top with a rifle, everybody has hope. And I don't ever take the hope away. Um, when it comes to the government, because you mentioned them real quick, when it comes to the government, super black pill. There's no fixing it, it's not gonna swing back around. It's never fucking helped us ever, ever, ever. But yet we still see these people, these we still see these people that wrap their entire life into the government. Like my whole existence, and we see them every day on the internet, my whole existence is all about the government. The government fucking hates us. That's why we have all these systems laws. We have 40,000 more laws on our books than the next tallest country, but yet motherfuckers want to come out here and say we're a free country. I get it. We have certain we have certain freedoms that other people don't. We can do certain things that other people can't. But to say that we're free is you fooling yourself. So what I do, instead of putting it into the government, I put it back right introspectively. What can I do in my life to make my life?

SPEAKER_04 29:18

What is in my control? Yes. What is in my control? Exactly. Before we move on, I want to say something because, like I said, you and I uh before we started talking, we were like, you know, we uh we became friends because I you would this opinionated sunglass bald fucking bearded dude started screaming at me on his phone from his car, and I was like, I like this, this is cool. And like about I'd say about 78% of what you say, I'm like, fuck yeah. But the other 22 that I don't agree with isn't that I don't agree with, is that I wasn't knowledgeable enough to have an opinion about it, right? And so one of the cool things that I love about about, and I don't really want to talk too much about politics, but one of the things that I that that I I I really really love about what I'm seeing on the the Instagram sphere is that a lot of the people that were pretty idealistic, right, about like Donald Trump or about like the swinging back of the MAGA party, and is that there there was this there was this hope that what was a popular vote and a mandate and all this stuff to swing back through to get you know to write the ship a little bit, right? And when anybody you can you you can go, I voted this way because I have a belief system that sides with this, but don't put all your faith in Papa government because you're a fucking retard if you do. So I saw in this this is this is one thing specifically for you, Cliff. I saw you went down to Fort Myers and you hung out with with uh Ant, and we all know Ant is the goat. He's he's a guy's a great guy.

SPEAKER_02 30:48

Yeah, he's a fucking beautiful human.

SPEAKER_04 30:50

He's an incredible human, incredible human. I've known Ant since before I was ever even on TikTok. I've known Ant since 2018. Back when I was not even on Instagram, I was only on TikTok, and I had like a thousand followers, and his profiles were getting banned left and right, because he was just speaking out, speaking out through COVID and through all the bullshit that I don't care which way you vote, COVID was fucked. And then when you went down to see him and you met him, and then somebody started giving you shit on you on one of your posts because you were wearing a Patriot gear shirt, and you're but you're not even a conservative, you're a middle guy, you're more left, blah, blah, blah, whatever, right? And your response to that is how I think most all of these conservative influencers are really starting to move. And it's like, I never told you that just because I hung out with this guy that I'm a conservative. This word patriot does not mean conservative.

SPEAKER_03 31:42

Right.

SPEAKER_04 31:43

And I did a whole video about it. I love that because I have a coworker that is a pretty he's pretty far left, but he's one of those those guys that's that he's a uh he's a Lamborghini, uh what I call it, he's a he's a Lamborghini liberal. He's the rich guy that never had to really go in the muck, affluent, and then thinks that because he says that he he's a liberal out of guilt for never having to go through the struggle. I was born affluent, I was born privileged, I was born blah blah blah, so now I have this this guilt about my life. And so he's like, So I said bye-bye to daddy's money and I'm working these normal jobs. I'm like, oh thank you, sir. Thank you for coming down to my level, sir. Right? Like but but but he's he's a good dude and he understands like when I was talking to him about how I couldn't stand people that have never that are talking about the fight that have never been in the fight. I can't stand the people that that say I vote or think or whatever this way because this marginalized blah blah blah. And I'm like, dude, you're driving a 2026 Range Rover. Like you that you don't even pay for. Like like you're I you're a nice guy, but shut the fuck up.

SPEAKER_02 33:07

Yeah, yeah. That's it right there. You are a nice guy, but shut the fuck up. And I do this all the time with fucking life coaches. Holy shit, man. I again, another fucking, you know, 17, 18-year-old life coach that's never lived through anything was gonna tell a motherfucker like me how to live life. Get the fuck out of here, bro.

SPEAKER_04 33:29

You want to show me a fucking fitness influencer who's 45, who's who's who's who's fucked his back up in labor, in manual labor, and still gets up and gets himself in shape. The 45-year-old guy that's got the six-pack or that's ripped, that has all of the world on his back and still finds the time to lift. That's the guy I'm gonna listen to. Not the 23-year-old with a fucking metabolism faster than fucking lightning McQueen. And I'm like, yeah, that fucking and those, and the and those dudes that go, they go, follow, buy my course, yeah, and I will show you how to sell on uh eBay or or how you'll be you if you buy my course, you could have a Lamborghini like this, and it's like, bro, you have a Lamborghini because they bought your course. Yeah, that's the whole thing about anything.

SPEAKER_01 34:19

Wait, did they actually buy it or did he rent it just to do that commercial game? Yeah. He probably rented anything. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 34:27

Those people that have no, they got no they got no fucking skin in the game, and they think that they're just so idealistic about what the oh sorry, it's getting fucking those people get me so fucking worked up. Those hardcore, those hardcore Lamborghini liberals and those hardcore, hardcore fucking MAGA bros, those two people, I'm sorry, I said I didn't even want to talk about politics, but those two fucking people, bro, they're just like they're just they're just touching tips at the fucking urinal, dude. Those fucking ugh.

SPEAKER_02 34:55

Yeah. Well, it's not really politics, it's reality because it's just that's the mindset of motherfuckers. Like I did a video about these motherfuckers always, you know, the ones with the six-pack that want to fucking come out and tell you that you can't have a good life without a six-pack. Motherfucker, I dude, that when I did that video, this dude comes up and he's telling, he starts telling or comes through the D DMs, he's like, you need to pull back on all that bullshit rhetoric. You know, you can't have a good life without six pack. So I look at his life. This motherfucker lives in a one-bedroom apartment in the ghetto. He's driving a$4,000 used piece of shit. His finances are fucked. He works intermittently, but he's gonna tell me whoever I have a year of expenses paid, I've got fucking investments, I've got new cars, a home I own, and a nice thing. He's gonna tell me that I can't be the fucking guy that lives a good life unless I have a six-pack. It's people like that. He's a Lamborghini liberal or a fucking MAGA bro. He's he fits into one of those. I'm not sure, but he's the motherfucker. That's a mentality, not a political uh, you know, both of those motherfuckers drive me nuts.

SPEAKER_01 35:54

Yeah. Either one of them. Just you just want to fucking strangle them. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:58

It's about being in the middle. But if you're if you're gonna be on one side or the other, you're not really technically being American.

SPEAKER_04 36:04

Well, see, because the the thing is that so, so, so if you want to talk about like, oh, you can't live a good life unless you have a six-pack or whatever, I thought the only real truth behind things like that is that you're living an active, healthy lifestyle where your body is functioning the right way. You could have a little bit of extra weight, you could be a little bit heavy set, you could be a little bit too skinny, you whatever. But as long as you're an active, moving around person that's moved that's doing what your body was meant to be doing. That's the only thing that I like. You can't have, I don't think that you can have a massively great quality of life if you if you look like Norbit. Like if you look at that big old fat piece of shit, you can't have a fantastic quality of life. But that but but who's to tell me that I because I quit smoking a few months ago and I and I I usually stay pretty fit and I like to lift and stuff. I gained 20 pounds in two months, yeah. Because the way that my metabolism and now I'm sitting with this belly right here that I'm not really used to having, but because I have my belly that I didn't have a few months ago, now I can't have a quality life.

SPEAKER_02 37:05

Yeah, yeah, you yeah, I I totally understand. If you if you know you you you know having some extra pounds, fine. Who gives a fuck? I understand where if you're 650 fucking pounds, you cannot live a good life. You can't. You yeah, that's a fact. You're barely breathing, dude. But however, most people, most people don't understand that if you on the on the contrary to that, on the flip side of that, if you're one of these dudes that you have to buy a 5XL shirt because you just have muscles stacked on a muscle stacked on muscles, stacked on muscles, that's just as unhealthy.

SPEAKER_04 37:37

Yeah, dude, that's just because you're because you're just you're just ripping into TRT and test and all the SARMs and the fucking and peptides, and you're just building yourself out, and you look like a goddamn monster, and that's good for you. But uh, who is it that said, like um, God, what was his name? He's a stand-up comic that died. Uh Greg Giraldo. Okay, he's like, Cool, congratulations, you're the strongest person in T-Mobile. Like, what are you doing, dude? Like, what are you doing? You win.

SPEAKER_01 38:09

You can lift those phones up pretty far.

SPEAKER_04 38:11

Yeah. And I I I love, dude, I love lifting. I love running. I and I feel so my my food tastes better that I quit smoking cigarettes. Like I I can breathe deeper, right? But I'm gonna tell you, I I like like I miss, I miss a fucking cigarette. I love smoking cigarettes, I know that it's bad for me, and I love smoking cigarettes, dude. I quit cold turkey, bro. Yeah, like I didn't no no vaping, no, no, uh, what are those things called? The little pouches, no pills, no gum, no nothing. Cold turkey, dude, because my heart attack, bro. So like I had to just stop. And they were like, and they were like, get your ass the fuck off of cigarettes. And they said in my in the in the in the hospital, your heart work and your blood work shows that cigarettes haven't even really affected your heart yet, even though I've been smoking since I was 13. And so they were like, So you're you're you're lucky that way. We haven't done any tests on your lungs because you didn't have a lung attack, you had a heart attack, right? And so, and they and they said basically, like, like, you really need to stop doing anything of the sort. And I was like, Well, I've already been in the hospital for three days, um, and I haven't smoked, right? So might as well just let it run. Yeah, you know, and so it's been, I don't know, what's the date? The 27th? Uh, but yeah, so it's been since it's been since March 3rd, so almost two months since I've smoked.

SPEAKER_02 39:37

That's awesome. That's fucking awesome.

SPEAKER_04 39:38

You know, like I was smoking like a pack and a half a day, dude.

SPEAKER_02 39:41

When I when I quit smoking cigarettes, I was two packs a day. Um, I had when I was working in a shop that I could smoke in, I was three packs a day because I always had one day. Now you know how it is, you're not necessarily always smoking, it's just dangling, right? But uh, I was two packs a day. I got fucking really sick, um, just you know, like flu type shit. And for two weeks, like it hurt my lungs. And now I, you know, I'm 43. I started smoking when I was in fifth grade. You know, when I was 13, my parents were fucking buying me cartons of cigarettes when I was 13. So I got a cart of cigarettes for my birthday at 15 years old. So you're right. So, you know, but like I had smoked for so many years, but now when I go into the because I get I get all my blood panels done, I get my lungs tested, all this other shit. The doctors, the doctor will say, Um, your lung function is at 99%. That's awesome. Your heart function is fully cave, it's fully, fully operating, there's no problems, there's no blockages, and they go through all the vascular system and the and all this shit. And uh, and he goes, Have you ever smoked? I was like, Yeah, I smoke two packs a day for I don't know, 20 some fucking years. And he goes, Really? That's astounding. I was like, Yeah, but you know, here's the thing: I don't really listen to doctors when it comes to nicotine because I know the system, I know the history of the systems that were fucking put in place to create all the time. It's uncorrecting. Exactly. That's what it is, is they don't want now. I'm not saying smoking's healthy, you should not smoke cigarettes. However, nicotine is a fucking neural pathway fucking creator. Like, dude, if you take nicotine, if you have nicotine, it's a hugely beneficial thing for you. It's the delivery system that is on that is unhealthy, but they don't want you to have the nicotine because it's fuck it makes your brain operate fucking better, and they don't want that. Which I've gotten into conversations drinking water. I've gotten into conversations with doctors that were say smoking is the is the worst thing you could do. I'm like, what about the food? Like, literally every fucking government on earth says American food and American food specifically is not fucking healthy. It's all poison. Reese's peanut butter cups, there's no peanut butter and no chocolate, there's no nuts, there's nothing in it. It's literally palm oil and fucking chemical dust. This is what Americans do. Ironically, my girl's favorite candy, and I try to get her off of it, but I love the I love the motherfuckers. Don't get me wrong, but I I'm done eating the motherfuckers now. Now that I now, because you know, now that I know, fuck that. Now I'm making stupid decisions on my own. But but when you've got a system like America does, where every bit of our food, including our livestock, including our fucking produce, including our vegetables, is all poison. It's either built with poison, made with poison, fed with poison, or coated in poison. How are you gonna fucking tell me that this is what's killing you? This is what's killing you. No, that's the system telling you. And same thing with like Dave, here's a great aspect because we and me and Dave were talking about this earlier. Dave wants to lose a few pounds, right? So he's starting to get his meal prepping back in, he's getting everything in order. He went to the doctor, and the first thing the doctor says is basically fuck diet and exercise, let's get you on a GLP one. That's the system.

SPEAKER_01 42:49

The fucking system is to get you on drugs. Oh, bro.

SPEAKER_03 42:53

Uh let me Dave, let me be honest.

SPEAKER_01 42:56

Let me be honest with you, real quick. I went to the doctor, my blood pressure is like 138 over or 134 over 82. And they're trying to say have that I have high blood pressure.

SPEAKER_04 43:06

So the first thing that's above, but it's not high.

SPEAKER_01 43:09

Well, the first thing they did was give me blood pressure medication. Now I'm one that believes in more of a holistic way of healing. So I, you know, I I so I just looked at my doctor, I'm like, yeah, okay. So what I did is I took the script, I filled it, and it sat on my counter. I went back to my doctor a year later for my physical. She's like, So, how's the blood pressure medication going? I'm like, I never fucking took it. After I did the research on it, I'm like, the all the the shit that can happen from taking it wasn't worth the risk. Right. Yeah, yeah. So I found like a cinnamon a cellon cinnamon stick tea that I make that helps the bar blood pressure. But it's but yeah, they they and the doctor's like, Yeah, take GLP O one. We want you to talk to nutritionists as well. The nutritionist is telling me like all this other shit. And you know, I used to weigh over four hundred pounds. So yeah.

SPEAKER_04 44:00

Good for you, bro. I mean, not good for you for being 400 pounds, but good for you for not being 400 pounds.

SPEAKER_01 44:05

Well, I looked myself in the mirror and I'm like, okay, yeah, it's time for a change because my wife was so worried about me. I would have like heaping two heaping piles of food for dinner. And then two hours later, I'd have a bowl of ice cream, and then two hours later I'd have a bowl of cereal and all this shit. So I looked at myself in the mirror, I'm like, okay, it's time for a fucking change. So I did, I lost the weight. So I have some knowledge in that aspect when it what it takes to lose the fucking weight. I just lost my discipline for a while. But that doctor, like, yeah, you know, let's put you on some Zip bound. And I started looking at the Zip bound and what it actually does. And you know, I I saw some of the stuff about the osteoporosis. Like, as soon as you take it, you have a 30% chance of getting it.

SPEAKER_04 44:43

And then Yeah, yeah. What and what sucks is that after I have my and I I I was gonna tell the story of me having a heart attack, but it doesn't really matter now. But but uh but uh so it was a few it was a few months ago and it was unexpected, and I got it and whatever, I'm alive, my heart's still beating, I'm I'm still here. It's awesome. Happy to not be, you know, dead yet. But but but uh uh I'm on like five different medications right now, and uh this uh the the doctor basically said that like you just get get you're on you're on five right now, and one of them is a blood pressure medication, a cholesterol medication, blood thinner, and some other whatever right. He goes, basically, he goes, give yourself he goes, how much weight are you are are you trying to are you trying to lose and where like where do you think you're gonna sit healthy? And I said, I'm at 190 right now. I'm at two, I'm at 205 now because I gained that weight from smoking. Uh and I said, I I want to be at 180 and uh and like and kind of thick, like I don't really care about being lean and shredded as as much, but I want to be healthy. And he goes, Okay, so basically you can look at what it is that you're doing as far as like azure medicines as your pathway to not having to take your medicines anymore. He was a really good doctor. He was like, Look, be and he was honest, he was like, This is what the this the osteo excuse me, the osteoporosis thing. He goes, he goes, uh swollen liver, like this one can make your legs swell, blah blah blah. And I go, but but it'll keep my heart pumping just fine, but then in like and then inhibit me from doing physical activity that would make my heart pump just fine. And he went, Yes. Yeah, and I was like, So can I go back to the gym? Can I go? I was like, I was just starting to get into like I want to learn how to go rock climbing. Can I do that? And he goes, give it a couple months, take these, get yourself moving again, whatever, and you know, and then we'll see. And then I went back over to my doctor just a few weeks ago, and he was like, So I would tell you right now, go skydiving. And I was like, What? And he goes, What I mean is that you're reacting so well to the stint in your heart, the medications, your willingness to move around and not be a fat piece of shit. But of course he didn't say that, but and not being an overweight, uh lump on a log is what he called it. That your your tests right now are showing that you are at pre-cigarette and pre-um heart attack health rate, heart rate. And I was like, okay, he goes, So go back into the gym, go skydiving, go running, go go do all of the things that raise your heart heart level, and then in six months, we're gonna test you with with all your medications, and then we're gonna test you without all of them. And he goes, You're probably gonna need to be on a statin for the rest of your life because it hope it holds the stint open.

SPEAKER_02 47:41

That's my boss.

SPEAKER_04 47:41

But other than that, other than that, I think we'll be able to get you off these medications. And he was like, How's your diet? And I go, here's what I normally eat. And he was like, Okay, let's tweak a little bit here and there, which I have. And so he's basically like, he was one I was waiting for the the entire, I was waiting for the entire pharmaceutical uh hammer to fucking just slam on my face. I thought they were gonna try and get me to do injections. I thought they were gonna try and get me to do, you know, all this all of the things, but my sister who helped me with uh finding like a primary care doctor and all that, she was like, I've been with mom and her heart issues, taking her to all of the appointments for so many years. She goes, I know the questions, I know the answers, I know how they're gonna lie to you, I know how they're gonna whatever. And and look at how mom's acting now compared to how she was. My mom is in a lot better health. Thank you, you know. But and so my sister just kind of came through and was just a rock star to find me this freaking doctor that was like, Hey, you have to take these pills right now for a couple months just to get you back, bro. Just to get you back. But once you're back, I'm gonna try and get you off of those things because you're too young to be stuck on a couch worrying about your legs swelling. Because like you got a couple extra pounds around the midsection and you want to work it off and you like lifting and you like being active. Let's get you back to that version of you and not this version that this heart attack wants you to turn into.

unknown 49:07

Right.

SPEAKER_04 49:07

And I was like, that's the first time I've ever looked at a doctor in some sort of, I guess, pharmaceutical type America where I was like, You're actually a real doctor.

SPEAKER_02 49:17

Yeah, exactly. And you don't find him ever in America.

SPEAKER_04 49:20

You're not a drug dealer, you're a doctor. Yeah, you know, and he was cool as fucking guy, but yeah, so I understand the idea. Like, how much how much weight have you lost, Dave?

SPEAKER_01 49:32

Um, at my heaviest, I was uh about 410, 415. I went down to 220. Wow. And then since I, you know, since works changed, got a lot more stress. I put on 40 pounds. I'm at like 260 now. Yeah, and how and uh I I got 40 pounds on you both are tall, right? Yeah, well I am. Yeah, he towers. 6'2. And what about you, Dave? I'm 5'10.

SPEAKER_04 50:02

You fucking you're both midgets. No, I'm just kidding. I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm 5'7. Okay, so you're the guy's like, motherfucker, aren't you like 5'5 or some shit? Yeah, no, I'm I'm a I'm a smaller dude. Um but yeah, dude, like getting getting yourself to a position, this this whole conversation kind of rounds about the idea that like like you can live a life of being happy and fulfilled and eating good foods and being active and live a life that doesn't that you don't have to have a ripped fucking six pack.

SPEAKER_03 50:38

Right.

SPEAKER_04 50:38

It's cool. I like having a six-pack, not because oh, I'm so whatever. For me personally, and I don't believe this to have to be for anybody else. The your the way that you are have and is okay, actually, no, it's not even a six-pack, it's just not being not being a big dude, not being a big dude. The dedication to what it is that you want to be seen in the world, not how other people like oh, how I think other people see me, but I care enough about me that I'm going to that I'm that I'm going to walk and walk and talk and act in in in a way that shows my dedication to what it is that I'm going to walk forward and go through in this life. I don't think I like uh you guys know who Andy Frasella is, right?

SPEAKER_02 51:22

Of course. Yeah, I've talked to him.

SPEAKER_04 51:24

Of course. So, huh?

SPEAKER_02 51:25

I used to talk to him, yeah. I yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_04 51:28

Yeah, yeah. He he went from being a really a really big fucking fat guy who was rich as shit, and now he's super, super jacked, whatever, right? And it doesn't matter either one of those things. What matters is how are you presenting yourself to the world, not to be judged by others, but how you how you walk in this world, right? And I that's that's that's the the thing that so many people get away from is uh is that I used to not take my life seriously at all, motherfucker, and then now look, now I do. Now I do. And this is another this is another facet of how I'm taking my life seriously. And then on the flip side is why are you why are you why are you eating so much bullshit food and you gotta balance them out because you go, because we're all floating on a space rock in the middle of goddamn nowhere, and none of this really matters. So there's a balance in be in between those two things, right? You like uh uh like like fucking Pete Holmes that stand up comedy, he goes, You think you're in America right now? Zoom out. Zoom out, dude. You're you're you're floating in infinite nothingness. Like, like it's so the the the two things go back and forth, dude. What it what it what it matters to to stand in in good stature and dress well and and eat well and take care of yourself and also cut fucking loose and eat fucking four pieces of fucking pie or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 52:52

Right. I like pie.

SPEAKER_02 52:54

Yeah, every now and then, I mean it's there's nothing wrong. And and any real fucking doctor, nutritionalist, anything, um, they they will fucking tell you. Like I have a$20,000 fucking coach. He tells me, you know what? Basically, what we're doing is we want to get you 90% on track so that the 10% that you're gonna quote live, and I'm air quoting that, um, the 10% that you're gonna live it up is already it's it's already accounted for. You can handle that, it doesn't fuck you up, you know, it just fits right in, and then you can get past it and shit. He's like, you know, again, that's why I like my I love my fucking coach. He's like, he's he's like, I'm not telling you never have a Mountain Dew. I'm not telling you never have a piece of pie. I'm not telling you never have a bowl of ice cream, I'm telling you stop having it every fucking day, you know. Yeah, replace that shit with fucking five ounces of ground beef with four eggs, you know, like this shit, you know.

SPEAKER_04 53:45

Yeah, there ain't nothing wrong with fucking getting down on dude, dude. The I I'll tell you, man, I do I do the you know, the eating clean and drinking the right amount of water and stuff like that. I love all of that. I love being dialed in like that. I feel better when I do that. But tell me, and none of you guys can say that I'm wrong here, how good does it feel to sit down on the couch, pop on a killer movie, and house an entire pizza?

SPEAKER_02 54:12

I sit I sit in silence when I do it because I don't like TV. I don't like movies, I don't watch none of that shit. But I'll sit in silence and listen to myself chew.

SPEAKER_01 54:20

I still can't believe we do that, man.

SPEAKER_02 54:22

Hey, my wife was sitting in your house and confirmed it.

SPEAKER_01 54:25

Yeah, I know. That's and I'm still blown away by it, but I do not watch TV.

SPEAKER_02 54:29

Ain't gonna happen. Like every now and then I'll watch British Bake Off or something. What's up?

SPEAKER_04 54:34

Oh, uh is that how how you let the gay out?

SPEAKER_02 54:38

What by not watching TV? No, by watching British fucking bake off. Oh, that's a great fucking show. You watched it? They actually have sex jokes and shit in it. Yeah, it's uh so that's why that's why that show is better than any American cooking show because they they'll fucking they'll make innuendo sex jokes with everybody. It's fucking hilarious, and everybody laughs because they have a sense of humor. Americans don't have a sense of humor anymore.

SPEAKER_04 55:00

Well, not anymore, but uh let's go let's go back a little bit. Why why don't you is this why don't you watch any sort of TV or anything? I mainly stick to old stuff from about the mid-90s and and back, right? I don't I don't watch anything real real new anymore.

SPEAKER_02 55:17

I don't, I don't, I just don't, I've always felt like it was a waste of time. I've always because I grew up in a worker's household, like I was five years old, and I would and I had to be up at a certain time, I had to be doing certain things. Like I just feel like it's a com it's an incredible waste of fucking time, energy. It's a waste of my mentality. It's you know, like I'm I'm watching I'm watching other people live while I my life just passes by. Like I just don't do it.

SPEAKER_04 55:41

That is a good that is a good point. I have a PlayStation 5 I haven't touched in six months.

SPEAKER_01 55:46

Yeah, I mean I got an Xbox uh what X that I haven't touched in like a year.

SPEAKER_02 55:51

Yeah, I got all that shit, but I my wife watches TV on the PlayStation. We don't even fucking play it like a game. Yeah, you just yeah, I just I don't I just don't dig it. Like like I said, I'll sit down and I'll watch a show every now and then. I'm a Bob Ross fan. Like if I'm gonna watch TV.

SPEAKER_04 56:07

Yeah, see, that's what's up right there, too, though. Bob Bob Ross is gangster.

SPEAKER_02 56:10

Well, he was my safe space when I was growing up. Like he was the place that I could go. You know, I see and I fucking I despise Star Wars with every shred of my being. It's the dumbest shit that ever fucking existed.

SPEAKER_04 56:23

Before you get completely wrecked on your own show, listen, uh, you're wrong. That's a stormtrooper helmet right there. In Mexican Day of the Dead. Um, no, Star Wars, uh, the first three from the 70s and the 80s, absolute gold. And uh, I don't know, I guess we're just gonna have to call it the last episode, dude. You know what it is? We're gonna have to never speak again. We're gonna have to block each other after we talk shit and make a bunch of shit about each other. Uh I can't even talk to Dave either, and that sucks because I liked him.

SPEAKER_01 57:01

I never said I didn't like Star Wars. Dave's a Star Wars fanatic.

SPEAKER_04 57:05

It's death by proxy, okay?

SPEAKER_02 57:08

Fuck Star Wars. You know what it is? Is my thing with Star Wars is is it's not the movies. It's I dude, I play World of Warcraft when I got a few minutes every now and then. I play Warcraft. Yeah, so like I'm I I've been playing WoW since 2005. Yeah, I'm a total nerd. But so it's not lore, it's not, it's not fantasy that I that I have a problem with. It's the fucking fan club. It's the motherfuckers. Everybody that loves Star Wars is like, this is the only movie that should ever exist. Every movie in the future is gonna be judged against Star Wars. Oh my god. Like, get the fuck out of here. Go jump off a fucking bridge.

SPEAKER_04 57:45

Okay, well, before I go jump off a bridge, every move, every every movie is judged against Star Wars uh in sci-fi realm that no movie had ever done what Star Wars did, ever. And I'm not saying not now because we're so far into the future, AI and CGI and all that crap, that now practical effects are what are what wow people and CGI is just a fucking jizz stain nothing. It's just nothing now. But the way that Star Wars was portrayed and seen is that nobody thought Star Wars was gonna do what it was gonna do. So almost six times with funding and with uh with like weather and all this crazy shit to come out of nowhere and become a cultural phenomenon and do in science fiction action what those three first three movies have had done. That is one of the biggest monumental achievements in cinema for me. And I'm not talking about I like I'm not talking about Phantom Menace and and and and uh uh I like I those those are okay, but when it comes to Star Wars for me, it's the it's the toy factory that was 1977 to 1983. When I say toy factory, you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, all of the toys, all of the lore, all the comics, all the books, all the everything that came from those first three movies, that is the Star Wars that I have tattooed in my body. That's the shit that that was my dude. I watched this while other people in my daycares were getting touched by other people. Okay, I knew things, and this was my this was my space. This was where I was, you know, and then just if you take away from the idea of it being like your comfort zone or something that you can go to what while other bad things are happening in the household, you know, the the what that movie, what that that trilogy did for for cinema as a whole, will never you can't that's why people oh this movie will be judged against all Star Wars movies, whatever, right? Is because nobody had done anything like it, it was completely and utterly groundbreaking. Now, with you take that part, take that part, you section it out, fuck all the fanboys, fuck all of the Disney did good with it, and and every how do you know? Oh, excuse me, Harrison Ford. When you were in the Millennium Falcon doing mock four and a part of no, did you think and it's like it's a fucking movie, dude? It's a movie. You think Harrison Ford remembers him? They were doing so much fucking Coke, bro. Do you think that they remember? Yeah, right? But the movies themselves, groundbreaking and other movies judged against it, hands down.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:27

I am off of my soapbox now, Cliff. Yeah, see, when it comes to Star Wars, dude, I gotta tell you know what I I don't take away from from what happened, right? Completely by accident did it become the biggest fucking movie uh in 1977 or 78.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:44

It was an accident for starting.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:45

It was a complete fucking accident, it was a mistake, you know. They they I I've watched all the because my dad was a Star Wars fanatic fanatic. He loves Star Wars, Star Trek, anything having to do with space. So I've watched all the shit. I know all the shit. It was a complete and total fucking accident, and there were so many fucking mistakes in the movie that shouldn't have been in the movie that people now say made the movie. It was just all the stars aligned. But here's the thing is you can do that now. You you there's there's no more ground to break. There's no more, you can't, there's no more groundbreaking films. What did that one? I forgot what his name was, but he said there's there's 34 movie plots, and every movie and TV show that you see is one of those plots done in its own fucking way. I get it, like there's no more groundbreaking to be done, you know. Like, there's there's just no more innovation, there's no more.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:33

That's why AI is the way the AI is. No, no, hey, that you're never going to get anybody to be excited the way anybody was excited for like an Xbox 360 Call of Duty release or a uh the Dark Knight Rise or the Dark Knight with Heath Ledger, and people stood around the block waiting to get in. You're never gonna capture any of that ever again in any form of media, any form of anything. You will never get it again. It is dead, it is gone, it is goodbye. Raise the freaking flags and or uh lower the flags half mass and put the gravestone on the ground. It is done.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:09

Yeah, it's done. I will here's I will give you an olive branch. I'll extend an olive branch. I liked the ewok movies, the ewok movies, the ewok movies. Oh yeah, I like them. When I was a kid, I liked the ewok movies, you know. That was good, but I mean, and here's the other thing. Like, I just I guess maybe I saw I saw Star Wars at a time where I I've always been hypercritical of what I've seen, right? And the the the imaging that I had seen in Star Wars was so piss poor compared to what I was already used to. I was like, why the fuck am I even watching this?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:47

That's the thing right there, dude, is that I have said that like when I like my nephew is 23, 22 now, right? But when he was little, itty bitty baby, up into toddler, we were showing him early Star Wars and and like the never-ending story and stuff like that, right? Early 80s graphics, right? So that he could get and understand the greatness that is that is the first story, the the storytelling of Star Wars, right? And I and I always told him if I had shown you it's a it's it's 20 is uh I think it was like 2024 when I when I said this to him, if I had shown you Star Wars in 2020, you would have been like any other young kid and be like, what is this old garbage?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:37

Yeah, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:38

What is this old garbage? Because it didn't it's not gonna do for him what say like Rogue One would do, or or like the Guardians of the Galaxy movies with like ridiculously good effects and stuff, right? But because he knew what it was before he exposed all the other stuff, he liked Star Wars just the same because he he he didn't have it to put against something else because he hadn't had something else yet, and we did that on purpose because this is a Star Wars family.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:07

Well, and that's like because I like and plus I look at Star Wars kind of like Lord of the Rings, like this is this is nine hours of watching a couple of dudes walk to throw a ring in a hole, like there's only one return, and it ain't of the king, it's of the Jedi.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:21

That was straight from Clarks 2. That was straight from Clarks 2.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:24

So then you must really like watching Star Trek then.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:27

No, not at all. Fuck that shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:29

I just had to throw that out there because I always thought Star Trek was more interesting than Star Wars, not character-based. Because you're a socialist.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:36

No, yeah, here's the thing though, it it is it's funny as fuck because you have the people that love Star Wars and the people that love Star Trek, but they always seem to hate each other. Very different, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:46

My brother Jake uh is a huge Trekie and a huge Star Wars nerd. And he's like, he's like he's like the he's like the white buffalo or whatever you call it. Like, you never get somebody who likes Star Trek and Star Wars the same, right? And he like, but he's all in that battlest galactica and all that fucking other. It's funny because I'm like such a fucking huge Star Wars fan. I'm like battlestar fucking nerds, yeah, fucking dork.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:11

Christian, I I think we need to call you something else. I think we need to call you Sheldon.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:18

Yeah, yeah. What why?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:20

Why Sheldon or Leonard or you know, Raj or something, you know, some character from the Big Bang that you're fucking Raj.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:26

Don't call me Raj out of all those characters, and then somebody like, why would you be mad about being called him specifically? Yeah, why what's wrong with Raj? It's his brown Mr. Caucasian man.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:41

Yeah, I see, and I liked I I ended up liking Star Trek more than Star Wars, not because of the story, like, not because of like there was a lot more characters in Star Wars. There was, you know, this whole thing, but that was more of a fantasy universe where Star Trek kind of brought it more of like to a realistic sense, you know, like you felt like this could happen.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:00

They were very post-socialist too, which is very it's very strange because they were they were a non-violent want for nothing, like a society of want for nothing. Like they had the holodeck, they had they had they they had everything provided to them through the holodeck and through and through all of their all of they never wanted for anything. Everything that they wanted was there. So so their entire their entire existence was to prevent violence. I almost said gore, but like violence and like you know um tribalist uh wanting and and conquering didn't need to happen anymore because everything in Star Trek was provided for them. That's why the Romulans and the Klingons and all that kind of stuff, those they were the only warring peoples left, and they were trying to keep everything away from warring because in us in our society, you want for nothing. So what is there to war over?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:09

Right. Well, and that's another thing that I didn't I didn't understand about Star Star Wars was it's like, okay, so we've gotten to this place in society because you know, obviously you're in school, so they're talking you telling you about peace and teaching you about acceptance and all this other shit. I'm like, so you're you're telling me we this is a fantasy world where where we still exist from 200 years ago, but where it's essentially looked like we were placed in a future. We can get to other planets, other galaxies, other solar systems, but we're still using sticks. What the fuck's happening here?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:39

You know, like I can, I can, I can warp jump from here to 95 million years in the future, but I still have to reload my weapon. Yeah, what the fuck is happening here?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:55

I still have to use this glowy stick to hit you with it. Uh let's, you know, we've we've had some good laughs. It's been a little over an hour. Let's wrap this shit up, dude. Uh let everybody know where they can find you. First and foremost, I appreciate you being here, brother. I I appreciate our relationship, our friendship. I appreciate the fact that we can do our banter and have some fun and and and you know, crack jokes at each other because I'm one of those people like if I don't fuck with you, I don't like you. And I like the fact that you're you're a hard-skinned motherfucker and you have that same kind of approach.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:26

So yeah, yeah, dude. Uh one of the things that I that I that I liked uh the most about being on on here is is is is exposing the fact that everybody knows that you watch the British Bake Off show.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:38

That was awesome. I love that shit. Give it a show. If you like cooking shows, give it all of you, if you like cooking shows, great British bake off. I don't know about the new season because they've got some new fucking hosts and shit. It's weird. I don't I don't know how I even I feel about it, but you watch fucking episodes with Noel Fielding and fucking Prue, and it it's fucking great shit. Paul Hollywood's a bad motherfucker.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:01

I will say this before we sign off, okay? Um, if you want anything to come back at me for, I am a Gordon Ramsay fanboy. So I like all Gordon Ramsay stuff too. So, like, whatever. I love cooking shows, and I have heard of the British Bake Off show. I think uh my mom, my mom watches it, which is not an insult. It's just where I've where I've heard of it from. Your mom's cooler than you. I think my girl likes it too, but I'm not I'm not positive.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:24

Yeah. That's a fucking, it's an awesome. It's as far as cooking shows it goes, it's it's lighthearted, it's fun, and you get to watch people fucking actually learn. You get to learn some shit, and they make their jokes and whatnot. It's it's a fucking it's it's a great show, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:37

That's that's gonna help, I'm gonna help you out here, dude. Again, Mr. Grim Legacy on Instagram and on Facebook. I have uh this isn't an official announcement, but I have uh a merch line and a podcast come in that uh it's not what you think it is, it's not all patriotic, it's something completely different, and I'm excited about that. Um and uh thank you guys so much for having me. And I I hope to be back on here again because I wanted to talk to you about what it was like to fish in Alaska. And I wanted to hear about that too. That's the crazy shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:09

We'll have to we'll have to come back and get and get that get that fucking spoken about.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:13

Dude, for sure. And Dave, you're rocking, bro. Nice to meet you officially, officially. And Cliff, I I love you both, and thank you for having me, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:21

Thank you for coming on, man. Dave, let them know where they can find you. All right, you can find me over there on social media. I'm heavily active on Instagram and Facebook at the hammer drops, or better yet, just the easiest way to do it, Google Hammer Drops, the the hammer drops, and I'm gonna pop up everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:35

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