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EP.98 They Watched Her Fall—Now They Watch Her Win | ChattyAnnie
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What does it actually take to rebuild when everything falls apart?
In this raw, unfiltered conversation, I sit down with ChattyAnnie to tear into the reality behind success—the kind nobody posts about. We go deep into her journey through business, personal loss, addiction, the courtroom, and the kind of rock-bottom moments that either bury you… or build you into something unbreakable.
This isn’t a highlight reel. It’s the truth.
Annie opens up about the pressure of building something real, the cost of losing it, and what it takes mentally to claw your way back when the odds—and people—are stacked against you. From addiction battles to legal fights, we unpack the decisions, consequences, and mindset shifts that ultimately led her to rebuild an empire bigger than she ever imagined.
If you’ve ever felt like life hit you harder than it should have…
If you’ve ever questioned whether you can come back from it…
This episode is your proof that you can.
No excuses. No sugarcoating. Just reality—and what it takes to win anyway.
What's happening, people, guys? Before I let you get into the show, I've got to make a correction. Right out of the gate, I misspoke. I screwed up, and I want to correct that. Leading into the show, I made references that this was the very first female we had on the show. That is not correct. She is the second female we had on the show. I just misspoke. I lost in the moment, whatever it might have been, slipped my mind. No excuses. The very first woman we had on the show, the honor and pleasure of being on the show, was a woman by the name of Petty Crocker88, Amber Ford. She was and will forever be the very first woman guest that we had on the show. I just wanted to make this correction really quickly so that it didn't get lost in the in the whole rigmarole of the show. This is the second woman that we've had on the show. Still an incredible honor and still incredible pleasure. Um enjoy the show, guys.
SPEAKER_00Everything you're about to hear is for entertainment purposes only. Listen, have some fun, but don't ever do, believe, or promote anything they say. They're idiots.
SPEAKER_04Guys, guys, guys, guys, hold up, hold up. You should know. This ain't for everybody. Welcome to Savagely Loud. And I am joined today and always by my co-host, big bad Dave Anderson, the big old Viking over there. And if you're watching, you're gonna notice somebody special on the screen. We're gonna get to that person in just a second, but you know the drill. Before we get to that, if you want to help us out, get these words out, get these truths out, you can follow me at Savagely Loud on Instagram, is where I'm most active. On that page, you're gonna find two links. One of those links is the Savagely Loud Podcast page. You could please follow us there too. It would greatly help and help the show. And uh let's be honest, it may just end uh end up being my backup page when they shut me down. Uh, the other link you're gonna find is a simple link tree. Anywhere you want to see my rants or hear my bullshit, you can find it there easy peasy. Outside of that, Facebook X and Rumble at Savagely Loud, YouTube at Savagely Loud Podcast. Please don't forget to subscribe. You can email us in at savagely loud at gmail.com, and I will convey those messages today when they come in if you need uh if you want to talk to him. Last but not least, don't forget to like, comment, and share the material. It really, really does help. And if you really want to help us out, you can rate and review the show on Apple iTunes and Spotify because that really does help us push into the algorithm. It really, really does wonders for us. That 10 seconds that you're gonna take to do that. So if you could, I would greatly appreciate that. That all being said, big Dave Anderson, the big bad Viking. How are we doing today, brother?
SPEAKER_02Oh, I'm doing good, brother. Man, you sound like one of those fucking ring announcers again, man. Every time you do that, I'm just like, am I watching boxing? What the fuck's going on here? Let everybody know where they can find you, Dave. All right, guys, you can find me on social media. I'm heavily active over there on Facebook and on Instagram at the Hammer Drops. Um, outside of that, email me in through Severu emailed if you want to get in touch with me. And that's about all you got.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that's about all Dave's got ever for anybody. So that's gone. Now, the guest of the hour. And the reason that I want to, I really want to give this this person a lot of credit here is because it is the very first woman we've had on Savagely Loud. We're nearing episode 100. We've got a couple, what we're on uh, this will be like 96, 97 area. So it finally we got a woman on the show, so we can get some different perspectives, some really totally different review, different views of the world. Without further ado, let me please introduce Chatty Annie. How are we doing, girl?
SPEAKER_01What's up, y'all? I didn't know I was the first woman. That's crazy.
SPEAKER_04First woman, first woman we've had on the show.
SPEAKER_01I'm honored. I'm honored.
SPEAKER_04That might be a stretch. You don't need to be honored, but I mean, it is awesome.
SPEAKER_01That's like that that's awesome.
SPEAKER_04Thanks. Uh, let everybody know where they can find you.
SPEAKER_01Um, y'all, so I'm on every platform pretty much. Not Rumble yet, but I'm getting there. Um I'm on YouTube. Does it suck? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Rumble sucks.
SPEAKER_01Um, they they were not kind to me with the whole J6 thing, so I haven't made another one. But um, yeah, I'm on X, Facebook, IG, TikTok, and YouTube mainly. Um, Chatty and the official.
SPEAKER_04Nice, nice. Uh, the reason I wanted to have you on the show is because, you know, like we spoke a little bit before the show, um, I'm I'm I'm rather intrigued by you because you're you're this moving entity and nobody can kind of really pin you down, nor can I. And I find that intriguing. When I can't just listen to three minutes of somebody talking and know exactly who the fuck they are inside, I get interested. And also, on top of that, you are a lot like me in the sense of you kind of Venn diagram into all of these different clicks everywhere. Like everybody knows who you are, and everybody will invite you in when it's time to back them up or time to battle somebody or debate. But you know, it's it you don't really seem to, and I could be totally wrong, so please correct me if I am, but you don't really seem to fit into any of the good time groups. You know, when it's time for the fun, it's like we're gonna do our thing over here, and they're gonna leave, we're gonna leave you over there. It's is am I about right there?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, pretty much. Um, like I was telling you before the show, in 2021, I was very like 2019 through 2021, I was very in deep, like into the political scene. And as some of you guys know, um, I was indebted for J6 and it felt like I was abandoned. I it felt like I was hated by both the left and the right just for being myself or being honest, for telling the truth, for doing the right thing, um, which didn't involve like snitching on anybody for being at J6, but a lot of people interpreted it that way or whatever. So then I had the feds telling my friends not to talk to me. So it was like this thing where I was very, very alone. And um now I'm just very like I had to spend time alone and with God. And when I went to jail, I went alone, and when I did this, I was alone, and when I was homeless, I was alone. So I just kind of it's not that I have like these barriers up, but it's just like I get along with everybody, I'm not trying to be anybody's enemy. Um, but at the same time, I protect my peace and I don't get involved in all the drama. If you know what I'm saying, yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_04That makes total fuck total sense. Yeah. So let's talk about that because we know what we've like the only other person we've had on the show is our friend and business partner, Justin Stoll. Uh, the real you guys know him as a real Huckleberry. Um, he we briefly touched on J6, but I know you're an open book, as you've said before many, many times online. Um, what was the situation? Now we don't need to go into like you know the the the dirtiest, stickiest parts, but what was it like when you you you know you you went to the Capitol to support you know to support this cause, and then everything, you know, the way I the way I see it and the way the the video cameras all saw it was it was pretty much a guided tour, and then all of a sudden, your whole life got turned upside down by the government.
SPEAKER_01Let me just tell you, people don't realize the earth-shattering type of experience that was because I was working for Trump from like 2020 to 2021, well, like the 2019 campaign, and I started off by canvassing and doing all this stuff, and originally I was making websites designing like political candidate signs. So I got involved now. Mind you, prior to this, I was in all sorts of like really dysfunctional, toxic relationships. So this was the first time in my life, and I came from a broken home, but this was the first time in my life where I felt like I had a purpose almost. And um, you know, I was signing up young voters, young Republicans, and I was being acknowledged by Eric Trump, and I was being promised a job at the White House. Um, I wanted to run for Congress. I had all these aspirations, and so that day my whole my whole world got torn apart. And I'm gonna keep it 100 with y'all, and I haven't told many many people this. We were all drunk. We were all drunk on January 6th, okay? We woke up, there was a curfew in DC. We had to be back at our hotels at like eight o'clock, so we all had block parties. We were up, we woke up at four o'clock in the morning, we started drinking mimosas and vodka and all this shit, and everything was happy. Go lucky, like rainbow sunshine, like let's get it type of thing. Let's go see our president. We were there, every everybody was happy. We start marching over to the Capitol, and the whole atmosphere. Like, I could remember this like clear as day, and I wrote this down in my book. You could feel the shift in in just the the climate of the the atmosphere of DC when they announced that Mike Pence was gonna certify the results. It was like every it was like wood sock to fucking, I don't even know how to explain it. So, like I said, we were all kind of drunk. Um the Fez actually named me Twisted T Girl because I was up on the Capitol steps pounding twisted teas. Um yeah, so but but here's the thing. I got there when they had already infiltrated the Capitol, and I got to where I was, which was like like like prime time dead center, ground zero at the tunnel west west side. So, you know, I'm being tear gas, we're being shot with rubber bullets. I saw a girl got get shot in the stomach. I thought that she died, she starts bleeding. I didn't know there were rubber bullets, it was insane. Then I'm getting on my my signal app, Ashley got got shot, which I knew her. Like it listen, the day ended with me being blind on my knees chanting Nazi at the Capitol Police. Like I had to get walked back, I had to get walked back to my hotel room, got a call the next day from my friend that worked for the NSA, and he said, They have uh facial recognition, get the fuck out of DC or you're not leaving. And mind you, all I did, all I did was record a one minute long video on Facebook Live of a conference room that I climbed through the window that was already broken.
SPEAKER_04You know, so is that what they got you on? Is just recording a video?
SPEAKER_01I mean, like they got me on, I had a plea. Listen, so listen to this shit. I was facing 45 years, 40 motherfucking five years. If I went to trial, I was indicted by a federal grand jury. If I went to trial and tried to defend myself, I could have been sentenced to 45 years. Um, I wound up pleading down. They hit me with like five charges at first, and then of course, because it's federal, it's you know, more a higher gravity score. Um, even though I had no criminal record, they still wanted me to do jail time as part of my plea agreement. So I wound up pleading to a misdemeanor, an M2. I'm one out of three people in the United States of American history that has done federal jail time for a misdemeanor.
SPEAKER_03How long did you do it? Did they did they stick it to you, or did you at least get it?
SPEAKER_01Listen to this. Listen to this. The recommendation was 60 days, three years of federal probation, community service, mental health evaluation, and treatment, and treatment for drugs and alcohol because they I admitted that I was drunk at the time. Um so oh, in community service. So they wound up giving me 60 days of intermittent confinement, which meant that I had a report the first through the 10th of every month. Now, mind you, I own my own business. When the feds came, they took my computer. I I had a graphic design, web design business, and I was quite successful. They took my devices, I wasn't able to contact my my clients, I wasn't able to do my work. Um, I had two houses, two two rent and mortgage payments, new car payment, all sorts of shit. My son was five years old, lost, lost both properties because I couldn't work because I had to go to jail from the first to the 10th. So this was supposed to go on for 60 days. I wind up losing everything by like month five. Okay. And I I wind up going and seeing a psychiatrist because I just was going through it. My ex is trying to take my son away from me, saying that I tried to overthrow the government, using it against me. So I wind up losing everything, and I I go and see this doctor who gives me fucking Xanax when I was never even on anything before this. I wind up addicted to Xanax, abusing it. I start dating this kid that I meet like online. He sells meth and heroin and gets me involved in all that shit. So not only now am I homeless, I lose my kid, I'm in and out of jail every 20 days. And this situation, I keep I keep pissing hot. So they keep uh extending my jail time and sentence and stuff like that and want to violate me, putting me, dragging me through the headlines, January 6th riot or uh failed whatever test, and then list all the all the narcotics that I came up hot for.
SPEAKER_03Holy shit, they just put you through the fucking ringer.
SPEAKER_01I got involved with the worst fucking people. When I tell you, I used to wake up, I used to have to sleep with my purse. Okay. I would wake up sometimes with a gun to my my fucking forehead or my temple or in my mouth. I'd get pistol, like the the road that that single decision led me down was insane, absolutely insane. And it took me, it took me until the end of 2023 to like say this is enough, I'm done. I overdosed nine times. Nine fucking times. You know, but if if it so jail the jail time wound up actually being a year. Wound up being a year, and then when President Trump finally pardoned sorry, that was kind of long-winded, but when he finally pardoned me, I was about to walk off federal probation in a week anyway.
SPEAKER_04Oh Jesus. So it was like not even this it didn't even do you any favors.
SPEAKER_01No, no, I I appreciate the people that were my friends that he got released and that sort of thing, because some of them are facing eight to fifteen to thirty years. Um, but then there's other people too that I wish he didn't pardon at all. Like Jake, like Jake Lang. I fucking hate him.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, he's a fucking piece of shit. Head to toe side to side.
SPEAKER_01Bro, he I've known about him since J6. He hit a police officer that day with a baseball bet, a metal baseball bet, and then right after everybody got indicted, he started to go fund me. Collected, I think it was 200 200 or$250,000 for J6ers and gave nobody nothing. Kept it all for himself.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. That whole lid of fucking popped off for Jake Lang when um, you know, because I had to hit the internet and and I and you and I had spoken at this time, it was somewhat recently, you know, several months. But uh when he when he when the video surfaced of him running around, you know, just dropping that and dropping hard R's and N-bombs all over and talking about, you know, we're not gonna let the white man be corrupted, this and that, and then every and then he got tackled or something, or or kid, no, kidnapped, right?
SPEAKER_01And then he got dragged out and like beat up, yeah.
SPEAKER_04And then everybody hit the internet. And I mean like fucking everybody hit the internet, and they're all talking about how this isn't how we're supposed to handle, he's a patriot, this and that. I'm like, that piece of shit is a fucking grifter. I was an ex-skinhead, I know that dude. That dude's a Jew masquerading as a white man, dropping racial epithets everywhere, just to start a war between the blacks and the fucking whites. That's all he is for, and that's why he get that's why he's so well funded. I see you got something, Dave. What do you got?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, well, I was just gonna say with this whole Jake Lane thing. I mean, he was doing it with the Muslim community and everything, just like just going and just trying to just stir the you know, stir the horns nest, so to speak.
SPEAKER_01You know, it's like it's I uncovered, I was I was one of the first people that was like, yo, I know Jake, um, no J Sixers like him. I mean, there's like maybe two or three, but it's only because he gives them money. Yeah, that's the only reason why, you know. But yeah, so he does all this shit where he goes and turns around and sues people, but really he was the one that provoked the whole incident in the first place. You know what I mean? It's kind of um, there's a word for it. I can't I can't think of what it is right now. Oh, a political grifter. That's what he is. He's a political grifter. But there's actually photos I uncovered of him uh kissing the wall.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's it's it's absolutely wild how people nowadays, and this is what I this is one of the things that I credit you for, um, or credit you with, is is you are one of the very few people out here on the internet, and you know, because you know, you and I and Dave, we're all social media, you know, on social media. Um, you're one of the very few people that possesses the ability to not see a headline and then run with it. Like everybody, it seems like an internet land. They get a headline or they get one clip of a video, they have zero context, zero information, they make up their mind what it's about, and then they hit the internet and they start spitting bullshit all over the place. And next thing you know, they're getting proved wrong while you people like you and I and Dave are all sitting out here going, Hold that, hold, hold that thought. Don't, don't, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't release it, don't make the video, just sit on it because you're gonna look like a fucking ass later. And then we take a bunch of heat for it, and we get ricked across the coals, up and down, day after day after day, until it all comes out. And then what happens? No retraction statements from these people, no apologies from these people, no manning up, so to speak, and saying, hey man, I I took this this headline and I kind of ran with it. I apologize. I didn't have the context, this and that, and the other thing. They just stopped fucking with us.
SPEAKER_01Right, right, right. I I can tell you that, like, just with the Jake Lane thing, I I had so many conservatives that I thought I was like friends with, and this is another reason why I'm kind of like, okay, like I'll repost your shit and I'll like it from over here. Yeah, but I don't know if I'm gonna let you in over here because you went and turned around and made a video about me for saying that like speaking facts about Jake Lang that I had a uh knowledge of because I personally knew him, but you don't trust me enough to take my word for it. So you went and made a whole whole ass video about me and then come to find out I was correct, and you don't say shit to me. Like that's crazy. Yeah, that's why I'm just like, you know what? I'll be over here.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that's it. All goes back to what I always say about people. People do not believe the truth. People believe whatever they have to believe in order to make what they currently believe into the truth, and that's why we see the activity that we see out of these people on the internet. They see a headline, they see a video clip, they make up their mind what they're gonna believe about it, and then they'll do all the mental gymnastics that's that it takes to make that the truth.
SPEAKER_01You know what I learned too, Cliff, is that like when I'm debating, I started doing these political debates because ideally what I see myself doing, like in maybe a year or two from now, I'm trying to be more like Charlie. I would love to get up on a stage and debate people. I would love to go speak at universities and put myself in that line of fire, trying to get myself closer to God, learn scripture. Like I'm trying to, I'm I'm trying to be Annie, but I'm also trying to carry what Charlie was trying to do because I see how important and valuable it is. And in these, these stupid little TikTok debates that I've been doing, I'm realizing they sit with their computers in front of them and they fact check everything that you say. And then when you do it to them, you realize like this one girl the other day, she tried to tell me that an uh United States citizen got deported. And she she's like, Oh, it's it's this, you know, this is this the information, and here's the source, and blah blah blah blah blah. Well, when I pulled it up at my end, yeah, the headline like was clickbait, rage bait. This the first paragraph was too. But if you read on to the second paragraph, you would see that he admitted that he was a Mexican president. You know what I'm saying? So it's like people these days are just so ignorant, they don't want to know, they they don't want to put the time into it, and it's not just liberals, it's conservatives too.
SPEAKER_02I was just gonna say well, and the funny thing is the funny thing is about this whole thing is I mean, they just want people just want to be comfortable. That's why they don't want to believe the truth. Because once you believe that once you have to forcibly believe the truth, now you're out of your comfort zone.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, well, that's why I think everybody should hit rock bottom at least once in their life because you learn you, you you get rock bottom. I was the mayor of rock bottom. Let me tell you what, I was a coke head, I was dropping pills, I was all over the fucking place. I was a fucking hate monger and a white gang member, and I was just not up to any fucking good. But when I was at rock bottom, you know, I got so low. There's a there's a lyric in a song that I love. I got so low that I actually got to meet who I really was. And uh most people never get to meet themselves, most people never understand fully who they really are when it all goes to shit. You know, they think all things have gone to shit, but when you're at rock bottom, like you literally you can't go any fucking, you know, lower. I OD'd on the floor just looking up at fucking people after I tried to do the 1010 challenge, which is 10 grams of coke in 10 minutes. I was just fucking dying on the floor and people are just stepping over me. It's moments like that. You get to you get to have the conversation, that internal monologue with with your real self. And then you get that, you know, maybe even you, you know, you can get down deep and get into that childhood, get that kid that you used to be and look him fucking dead in the eyes, or her in your case, dead in the eyes, and be like, dude, I'm fucking this up, ain't I? And that little kid looks back at you and goes, I didn't suffer through everything I fucking suffered through for this shit to happen. You get to meet you.
SPEAKER_01That just gave me Charles, and you know what I always say? I always say, I don't trust anyone that's had an easy life or hasn't been a jail. Like, and people look at me cut sometimes side-eyed, like, no, you don't get it. It it's that full rock bottom thing that builds your character, and it's either gonna make you or break you. So for me, those times in my there's been several rock bottoms for me. I'm not gonna lie, there's been like three.
SPEAKER_06The last time was the worst, the last time was the worst, though.
SPEAKER_01I mean, I overdosed nine times in a period of a year and a half, a year and a half, and that's what brought me to um, I wouldn't call myself religious. I am a believer in Jesus Christ. Um like I don't again, with that, even I don't put myself into some sort of box or category. It's just all about my relationship with God, my knowing that he exists, what he pulled me out of. You know what I mean? Like and I know that there's a reason why he brought me back. I know that there's something I'm here to do, and I think that I'm on that path right now.
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SPEAKER_04Well, you once you get that inner peace, because you know, and peace, a lot of people will fuck that word up, you know, the meaning of peace. Peace doesn't mean everything's hunky dory, everything smiles, puppies, and sunshine and shit. That inner peace, it could be in times of tribulation, and oftentimes it really is in those epiphany moments where you're just like, this is what I need to be doing. You're still suffering, but something in you just clicks into a way that makes everything kind of seem like it's gonna work out. You know what I mean? Gives you that purpose like you were talking about earlier.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. That's that's really what life is about. I realized that I wasn't starving for attention or things like validation. I was actually starving for a sense of purpose. And I believe that you know, God works in in really crazy ways to where I believe that all of those things I could look at it now and not be in pain anymore and let go of that trauma and heal because I know that I endured that because God was preparing me.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah. You gotta, you know, everybody wants to be the toughest motherfucker in the crowd, but nobody wants to go through the pain that it takes to be that guy, you know? And when you go through it, you learn a lot.
SPEAKER_02No, that you do. I mean, you I'm a firm believer, and I and I have to agree, like you for me, like if you don't if you haven't hit that rock bottom in some sort of way, I have a very hard time trusting anybody that hasn't because they don't know. Yeah, and and when those people come up to you like, oh, I understand where you come from. And then I I just kind of look at them be like, do you know my story where I've been? And they're like, Well, no. And like, have you been anywhere in this area? Well, no. How the fuck do you know?
SPEAKER_04Right. Yeah, I I hate when people say I totally get it. I totally get it. No, you fucking totally did you totally don't. You're totally divorced from reality. Shut the fuck up. Stop telling me that you know what suffering is like just because you didn't get that BMW on your 16th birthday. Fuck off. I'll look at it.
SPEAKER_01I often have a lot of people like ask me, like, are you being serious? Are you are you actually went through all this shit? Like, I don't even like telling everybody all of it because I think that I'm making it up.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Oh, that's that's how that's the reaction I've been getting since I was on uh the Be Great podcast with Bruce Bruce Calero down in uh down at Ant Store. Uh, dude, ever since that fucking episode aired, I'm just getting inundated with messages. And uh, is that real? Is that real? I fucking said it. Like, of course. Oh, everything. The skinhead thing, the suicide thing, the fucking everything, you know. It was just like people are just coming from every direction. They can't.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah. Well, first of all, shout out to Bruce. I was supposed to do his show like January, and I wound up having to have this emergency health thing. Um, but yeah, he's awesome. I saw your episode. I wanted to ask you about the skinhead thing. I thought it was interesting. Were you all still affiliated? And you don't have to answer this, but um, just so you know, my father, like I come from a family, and we're we don't talk anymore uh for my own reasons, but I come from a family of like that, and um my father was involved in the outlaws, so I was just wondering if it extended to we're in black, we're we're we're not affiliated.
SPEAKER_04The skins weren't affiliated with the outlaws. Um, we didn't really work money much with them because we me and Dave actually live in black and white country right now. So, like it's you know, because if anybody that doesn't know that's watching or listening, um motorcycle clubs claim territory, the real MCs, they claim territory. And once you've claimed a territory, other fucking clubs don't fuck with you. And the big four MCs out there are the outlaws, the HAs, which are the Hells Angels, the Mongols, and the Bandidos. Those four, they pretty much one of those four, or an affiliate sister club or a or a or a uh, you know, a child club of theirs, support club. They run every inch of this fucking country. One of those four. You know, but yeah, no, we did we we weren't affiliated with the outlaws. That's that was all that was yet again a whole different life. You know, I got out of motorcycles later, but yeah, um, yeah, if we didn't have to worry about that. Because that would that was like a that'd be a whole nother political spectrum of of hate and racism and fucking, you know.
SPEAKER_05Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_04Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah, especially where because we're you know, we're in the Midwest. We're we're in northern Illinois, so it's uh, you know, it's a lot of suburbs and a lot of country. So when you get the people in the suburbs, everybody in the suburbs think they're the baddest motherfucker that ever walked the planet. You know what I mean? Like they wouldn't last a moment down in the inner city, not a moment, but man in the suburbs, everybody walking around chest puffed up like there's somebody. It's crazy.
SPEAKER_02I was I always thought it was funny, but like you go to a clubhouse or something like that, and one of those people that will come in there because they get invited, and they stick out like a sort of thumb. And it's just like you just want to do it.
SPEAKER_01It's actually very similar here because I'm up in PA, I'm not too far from Philly, but the area that I live in is like rural, you know, so it's kind of suburby, but it's like houses are spaced apart and it's quiet. But yeah, everyone around here, same thing. But if you go 20 minutes, 30 minutes away, it's like yeah, they they hunker down and tail between the legs, hiding in their car in their house. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Oh yeah, I'm shouldn't be here. I've had some really badass friends that I'll take them to some places down in Chicago, you know, like back of the yards. They're just like they're you know, they're like locking the doors. They're like, oh, we gotta get the fuck out of here, man. I thought you were a man motherfucker.
SPEAKER_02I'll take you to some places in Milwaukee, my friend.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I've been to Milwaukee. I'm not interested. So let's talk about. So you got through the rock bottom, you got through the J6 stuff, and now you're doing this thing where you're ever. I mean, it's you're everywhere the fuck I look, you know, like everywhere I fucking turn, it fucking pops up. Chatties, I oh chat, oh here too. Oh, everywhere the fuck I you know, and uh so I, you know, but I what I like one of the things I like to do is I like to get into your comments because you know, I uh I don't understand, or I try to understand, because I don't understand, I try to understand the way different people operate, right? You know, like I I like to understand how, you know, especially when it comes to internet in, you know, um the the internet interactions, if you will, um, the black people, the brown people, the white people, but I I especially like to focus in on women because I think really um the way women are are handled by other men, the interaction with women is handled by other men, is it I think that's one of the best gauges for the like temp checks of where our society is, you know, because if men can't get over the fact that a woman can be smart or a woman can be outspoken or a woman can fucking put you in your damn place intellectually, I I if then the society is doomed. And largely it does seem like men are kind of coming around. We're giving some respect to the women and shit, but I do see some fucking shit in your comment section. That is like, I mean, like I I some of it is just like, oh my god, I like I that's what you got, dude. Like, that's all you got. Like, you know, like I saw one the other day, somebody was like, I'll pump your fucking lips up again, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, dude, she just hit you, she just hit you with three minutes of fucking hardcore stone cold facts, and that's what you came back with. Like, what is that? I gotta, I gotta ask, what is that like to just get so much dribble?
SPEAKER_01I am at the point where I I I hate to say it and I don't want to be this way, but I unless like you know, we're friends, and you know how on IG, especially, like if you're looking at somebody's profile and you follow them and they follow you and they look at your profile and you both repost stuff, your comment usually goes up towards the top.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Well, so because you're my friend, West Scott's my friend, all these people are my friends, right? I see their comments and I respond to it, but I'll start reading and I'll just see like just bullshit. And I'm just like, bro, you know, again, so to protect my peace, I gotta stay out of my DMs, I gotta stay out of my comments. I have over 10,000 messages on on IG right now that I have not even answered because I just can't do it. So, but but the thing is, I don't want to do it because I could if I wanted to, but I don't want to do it because people are so nasty. They're so nasty, they don't listen to anything that I have to say. They are obsessed with either my skin color, my hair color, my face. I I get called MAGA face, I get called uh all sorts of terrible shit that honestly doesn't hurt my feelings. I don't care. But it's just like that's what they do, they resort to personal insults because they can't counter your argument or intellect. So they have to insult physical appearance and say all sorts of horrible things about you, you know. I was actually really sorry, I was actually really scared. Like this was a fear of mine to get back into the political realm after J6 because of just listen, I was like the poster child, and people were so cruel to me. Um, somebody spit at me the one time when I was at the store at my son, they called me a terrorist, all sorts of shit. So I just like I had issues from that, and I was afraid to get online and talk again. And honestly, like the first two months that I came back, I didn't do anything political. I wasn't speaking my mind, I was just doing like corny shit. And it got to a point where I was just like, you know what? I just gotta like just shut these people out and not give a fuck and just be myself, you know. And I never look back.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that's that's mine, you know. Like when I first I, you know, I I was doing personal development for years, um, because I'm a I'm just a mentality specialist because I've had to be, you know, like if anybody's, you know, if you want to, if you want to know why, and anybody listening, go listen to the episode of Be Great Podcast with Bruce Callero, um, my episode there, and you're gonna get you're gonna understand why, you know, why I'm like that. But um I I I I'm focused fully on mentality and perspective and the upbringing and the bettering of other people because most people just don't have the information that people like me have, so I offer it, but I offer it in my own way, like very aggressive, very loud, because that's what I needed. I didn't get like all the information, even that I spit myself, I wouldn't, it wouldn't have landed for me had I heard it from some gentle little, you know, school teacher, some some you know psychotherapist. It just wouldn't have landed. I needed, to be honest with you, I needed Andy Frisella to yell motherfucker at me so that I would listen, you know? And that's so that's why I do my stuff is just because I'm being fully me. But when I switched my content, I switched my content January 10th, I think, of 2025, and to um just cultural commentary. Like, I'm done with the black community, I'm done with the white community, I'm done with the brown community, we need to figure out all the fucking problems in our communities respectively, and we all need to be able to talk about them with each other because if we can't do that, it's not racism, it's the end of the fucking world. Like it's if we can't talk about what we fucking, if if a black man can't sit in front of me and listen to the problems that I see or I have or my community or culture has with their their community, it's never gonna get better. And vice versa. You know, I've I actually got internet famous for fucking saying that you it's getting really hard to go for a walk and not trip on a rock and land on a dude that's a white dude trying to fuck a little kid. Like it's it's a problem, you know what I mean? So when I switched my content, I just I went full post and ghost. Like, I'm gonna put this shit up and I'm walking the fuck away because I am not gonna listen to your bullshit. And it worked really well for me. I protected my peace, my sanity. But then I started getting into the comment section, and next thing you know, you're you're fine, yeah. Like, I'm three hours in, I'm just gonna check it for a second. Three hours later, I'm like, you motherfucker, I'm gonna fuck. And then next thing you know, I'm like everywhere I go. So I was just like, you know what? And then I had to have a long talk with myself of, you know, this isn't getting better. Like this world that we live in, all of us bitching about things, all of us trying to bring the conversation, it's just not getting better. So if it's not getting better, if what I'm doing isn't making things better, and at this very same time simultaneously, it's making my life worse. Like my quality of living was diving hard. I had to have that long conversation. I'm just gonna go back fully me. I am all the way into mentality. I am focused on perspective, I'm focused on building people, you know, or I should say, giving people the tools to build themselves. I don't like building other people. I like them to build themselves because then they can sustain it for the rest of their life. I'm just going right back into that. I don't give a fuck who wants to see what because you know, when I did the cultural commentary, I had all sorts of dude, I've got so much, I had so many black fans, so many black fans just all messaging me every day, emailing me, fucking commenting, you know. Yeah, they loved it. They fucking loved it. But that's also what I part of the you know deciding factor in changing my content was how come most of the people that like my shit, when I come out and I say, hey, the black community's fucked in whatever way, the fact that I'm getting so many black people that are like, dude, you fucking spit and fire, you're the fucking man, you know, this and that. I was like, okay, so maybe things aren't quite as bad as they as they appear to be, but it's still not getting better, and I'm fucking dying inside. So I just I went full back to my uh to my my personal development shit with a with a little bit and bigger, a little bit hotter heat, a little bit more aggression, and I fully expected to fucking totally tank in numbers. Like my followers, I was like, you know, I I think when I switched my content back to personal development, I was at, you know, 150 some thousand followers on Facebook. I was like, okay, so I'm back down to 2,000 followers now. I'm sure that's gonna happen. And it was wild that it just went up. It they just climbed it. I mean, I think I hemorrhaged about a thousand followers, but then they're up. Now I'm at 175 and I'm at 65 on Instagram. And what's nice is that I was able, the people allowed me to make that transition back to me. But because I was able to do that, because I did that, I should say, I was just being me. This is 100% me. And that is what you know. This like you said, everybody's got a path. This was my path. This was my path back to happiness and being fully authentic, fully me, you know, and just that's what you're doing. I can I you bleed authenticity, you just sweat it into the camera. Like, this is who this fucking chick is, like her or not, she is being true to her, she is being who she is, and I and even if you don't like put somebody, you have to appreciate that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, absolutely. And I I I just I see that's why I wanted to come on your show. That's why I talked to you, that's why I support you. Because I could, I could, I don't know about you, but being as though I went through rock bottom and I'm authentic and genuine, I could sense those other people out there. Yeah, so if you're just on the internet running your mouth for clicks or because you want to be some sort of pick me, I could generally tell who that is. Yeah, I could tell who that is, and I pick up on a lot of things that other people don't may not see. You know what I mean? I could I could see who's supporting who, who's not, who likes my stuff, who doesn't. Like, I'm not washing it crazy, but you know what I mean? Like, I don't know. If you got my back, I got your back type of thing. Um, but yeah, I I totally get what you mean with the uh for me, it's political content. I have to step away from political content a lot because it overwhelms my my whole head, you know, and I just I get upset because I'm just like, yo, it doesn't matter what we do, it doesn't matter how hard we try, like it's a pattern, it's a it's a it's a pattern that keeps repeating. And I had that grapple with myself too. Like I was like, yo, what is my purpose? Like, if I'm not making shit better, what am I doing? Like, what is the point of this? So that's when I for me, I started getting into uh more faith-based content, and I started getting it, started talking about DV and SA and OF and the things that I went through that I wish I hadn't, or or that I grew, or or just anything I could shed light on for people, especially young people, to um learn and and know that there's somebody out there like them, or or maybe know that they don't have to go through that. You know, so that's that's kind of the direction I've been going down.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I can I can tell, like, you know, like I'll see a couple of your videos, and I don't know what order they come, they just come in, you know, the feed. Uh, I'll see a couple of your videos, you know, and then and it's like, okay, and then this next video comes in and you're doing like one of your little dance numbers or whatever. I'm like, okay, she got worn up worn the fuck out with politics for a minute. You know, like you can you can feel it. Like you just like, if you know, you know. It's it's just as silly as that is, like, you know, you know. You know, we you know, Dave too. I've seen videos like he'll go, he'll go on a tangent, and then it's like, okay, he got fucking tired, like he got exhausted, somebody fucked with him. It's something happened that he had to, you know, but that is a huge credible. It's it's very um uh very uh what's the word I'm looking for? Um I don't know what the word is. I don't know why. The fuck I'm not usually fucking stumped, but There's a lot of credibility there because you have self-awareness. You understand that you're not feeling you know what how you want to feel inside. So let's take a break. Let's let's not go into burnout black and you know and just never come back from it.
SPEAKER_01Let's just regret.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, you know. Oh, dude, I do that all the time. I I fucking make videos like um I like I've got I'm trying to figure out how a way to make the video because here's my thing, and I'm sure you're gonna feel this too. There's a lot of people on the internet that we don't know, but we don't like what they're doing. We know some things about them, you know, that aren't shown on the internet, and we don't like what they're doing, but we also have friends that are doing the same shit. So if you mention it, then you've got the fucking friends all over the fucking place coming from every fucking direction. That video about me, that's bullshit that you would make that video. Just because the fucking shoe fits doesn't mean you have to strap that bitch on and wear it. I think they like to, yeah, love it. Everybody loves to be mad, you know. And I call them the dick.
SPEAKER_01I know exactly what you're talking about, and and that happens to me all the time. I'll be like, yo, don't because I see people like I said, all the time, they'll they'll be like, you know, screenshotting comment sections or DMs and making a whole ass video about a person, right? Based on what they sent them a message about, and then the person might be a creator, they might not be, but they'll go and make a video and just give it to them, and then they'll get back on the internet. The the original person that I'm supposed to be friends with will get back on the internet and be like, they made a video about me. What the fuck did you think was gonna be? Are you so serious? You you could dish it out, but you can't take it, like you will like shut the fuck up. So I'll be like, yo, don't they'll send me their their things and they'll be like, Chatty, can you and I'll be like, no, don't involve me in your bullshit. Like, I'm not did you see Benny Johnson or Charlie Kirk or fucking anybody, anybody that you admire, Joe Rogan, anybody, did you see any of them on their Instagram or TikTok responding to DMs and fuppy messages?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, no, not even a little bit, not one of them.
SPEAKER_02Well, and the ironic thing is I mean, we we've had this conversation before, Cliff. When they actually do that, when they call these people out, all you're doing is driving your followers over to them to see what they have to say, and now all of a sudden they're following them. Yeah, you just give them a paycheck.
SPEAKER_04We just talked about it the other uh on a couple shows ago. Um, you know, because there was a week there where it was like a week and a half. Oh my god. There was just nothing but feuds everywhere, everywhere. And it's like, look at the comment, look at the comment, reply to comment, you know, is what I call it. And it's like, dude, you don't understand, you stupid motherfuckers. You're building their empire, and because they attacked you, and and there was this one situation where this girl had gone over this, go gone after this other girl, and this girl was a fucking nobody that went after this other one who was a somebody. But because that that other person was a somebody, then they had all the other somebodies want to fire off. I call them all the dick riders. Anytime I fucking fire up Instagram and I see somebody post something and tag a motherfucker or five motherfuckers or 10 motherfuckers five times a day, oh you fucking dick riding pieces of shit. Get a fucking talent, get a skill, go get a fucking job in a life. But because everybody wanted to dick ride this woman and defend her, this woman, this woman that actually started the bullshit went from like 3,000 followers to 85,000 followers. Like, dude, not only did you gain her fucking 80,000 followers, you got her paid now. Now she can monetize. You fucking idiots. That's why every time I have something to say, I describe the person or I describe the situation in my own words with no names, and then I just hammer at it because I'm not going to give you the fucking time of day. I'm not gonna get you paid.
SPEAKER_01Exactly. Exactly. And that's what people don't understand. Like, so for example, when Charlie first died, I started listening to Candace again, right? After I was like, Oh, she's fucked up. Well, I started to listen to what she had to say, then I just heard some crazy shit, and everybody was complaining about her, and I was like, Yeah, this bitch is crazy. So I just like I have not looked at her content. I unfollowed her, I have not even if you make a fucking reaction video with or a meme about her, I do not engage with it, I don't want to see it. It is straight Jezebel's spirit. I I I don't want to be associated with it at all, and that's my mentality. Like, bro, like I'm not gonna go to I gravitate towards the light, and and anybody that doesn't, I don't want to be in your circle. That's that's how I am. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04I think that's why my friends are like this because yeah, my circle doesn't form a circle, like we just put it that way. That bitch does not form a circle.
SPEAKER_02Hexagon, maybe, but you know, I don't think mine gets like that. And you know, I I don't have enough points on that for that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, people the other thing is I heard I heard this the other day, and it was actually it was really intriguing. So I've looked into it deeper. Um I I saw this video where this woman was talking about gossip, and if you're a content creator and you're creating gossip like material, things like that, um, where it's like all about a celebrity or it's all about a politician or whatever. It they said it's a form of witchcraft. It's actually a form of witchcraft because you're trying to convince someone else what somebody's like, telling people things that you don't know, and you're trying to uh guide someone's perception of another human being, so it's it's like a form of witchcraft.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it's a form of mind control in essence.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, exactly. So that's my problem as a female, is I see all these other females doing that, and being as though I've been in jail and all these other things that I've gone through. I just like I was also raised by a man. So it's like it's hard for me to um, I think be friends with women like that. Like where they're just like, oh my god, like do you want to go shopping? And I'm just like, she will fuck up.
SPEAKER_04And everything is up talk and everything's beautiful, and we're gonna go.
SPEAKER_06Oh my god.
SPEAKER_04I can't stand women like that. It's all of them now, man. Like 90% pull back, ladies. I'm not, you know.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, let's give it like 90% at the max.
SPEAKER_01I think the conservative women are just as bad, too.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and that's that's a fact, and that's one of the things I love I love about you, because you'll actually, I've been I've been paying paying more attention, you know, to certain people, you know, because um I had this thing where I kind of blew the fuck up, and all of a sudden I had just lists of blue fucking check marks and and all my DMs and my text messages and my fucking Facebooks and my fucking Instagrams. And I'm so I'm like, oh, I gotta pay attention to all these motherfuckers. No, no, I don't. No, I definitely don't. But I did go through that time, that stint there where I just thought I had to pay attention to everybody. And you find out that these motherfuckers, most of them are just brainwashed piles of shit, just like they're just dick riders. Like they find and you know, they'll find somebody that they, you know, they they a big influencer, uh, and they'll just latch, like latch onto that motherfucker, and then it's like tag that motherfucker, tag that motherfucker, tag that motherfucker. Like, we get it, we get it. You think you're you know what's so funny?
SPEAKER_01I I I know that you're you're being very vague here, but I know what you're saying without you saying it.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I'll say it out loud. There's a fucking thousand people that like to ride fucking dick. Wow.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's but you're you're right.
SPEAKER_04It I yeah, he's not the only one. I mean, but he is he is one of the largest in our algorithms for people just absolutely fucking dick riding the guy. And I gotta give him credit. I mean, don't get me wrong, he's he's one of my best friends, but I have to give him credit as a human being because I have been in a situation where I was the president of a club and I was a president of a situ of um a charity club called the Cynical Saints Social Club, and everywhere I went because we were doing charity, this and that, and the other thing, and I was the leader, everybody was just like fucking tag, tag, tag, tag, tag all day long. Oh, I I I got to a point, seriously, I couldn't even fucking handle it. I have to give credit to because this dude handles it so well. And I don't want to fucking put any thoughts in anybody's mind. I don't know who is actually friends, who is just influencer friends or internet friends or or political friends. I don't know that that personally, that personal level of his life, but I will tell you, there's no way 10,000 people on the internet are his best friends. Right. No, there's no way. Absolutely no way. But he handles it so good. Like I he just handles it so good. So he does such a much better than better man than I when it comes to that.
SPEAKER_01For sure. Because I I get I I mean, I'm nowhere on the level of yet, you know, but like the level of people that are tagging me and things that they either want me to collab on or just like re I don't even know what their purpose in tagging me is, but you know what I'm saying? Like it it gets more and more every day. And I I try to look at it, I'm just like, why did you tag me in this video? Like, for example, I had the Long Beach mayor of California harassing me, but like threatening me and tagging me in the post, all because I called him out in a video from January. Like back in January, I made a video about him. He now posts a video every week about me and tags me.
SPEAKER_04Grow that following, girl. Wow.
SPEAKER_01He was the craziest. You remember that guy that called on the 55 gang leaders? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, let's get all the gang leaders. Dude, that's the that would be the worst thing to happen to America. I mean, like, and just honestly, if all of the fucking gangbangers found out, like if they just suddenly figured out that living on that side of the street doesn't actually have to mean you have to be my enemy, if they all banded together, this place is fucked. There ain't enough rednecks or skinheads or fucking anything to take the fucking gangbangers down. So let's just not have that happen. Let's not call on them to band together, you know, pull back a little bit. We're heading for the mountainside here.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it's a fucking, it's a wild situation, the internet, you know, it's and and just the level of interaction and and you know, where you can actually take it, because you can you can see the people that are serious, you know, and you can see the people that are are serious about being on the internet and only being on the internet, and you can see the people that are serious about they're serious, air quotes, about being on the internet, but they're building real shit in real life. Those are the people that I like to, I like to, I like to surround myself with. And and you're one of those. You're not just building your your fucking social media empire, you're actually building you as a human being, you're building your mentality, your emotional structure, your physical being on this planet, and the energy that you emit. You're actually working on that, and that's fucking that's hugely, hugely awesome.
SPEAKER_02Yes, that it is. I mean, and there's not many people out there that actually do that. No, you know, because they're all out there. Well, I gotta get the clicks, I gotta get this, I gotta get that, and it's like they're not doing anything to benefit themselves.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I appreciate that, guys. No, I um I try to I try to stick with a um regimen so I don't get overwhelmed because I have my son, and then um, you know, on top of my content, I do a few other things. Um, but like for like Sundays, for example, I won't record any content. I'll stick to like two days of content where I record, unless it's to like hop on a show or a podcast. Um but yeah, I stick like with a really strict schedule, even when it comes to my debates and all that stuff. And I just find that like having balance really helps. Um, but no, in terms of like accomplishments, this is like probably the most accomplishments I've I've had my entire life, all in the last year. You know, I built I built my social media back up, which it was all taken away from me after J6. Um, so I had to start from scratch and you know, and then I went after like these lawsuits, which are still in the works for all the bad shit that happened to me thereafter. Um, and then like, you know, getting my my kid back in my life, um, writing my book, you know, just the relationships that I've developed. I just started a network. Uh, I have a morning show three days a week. Um, I'm starting the chatty podcast soon. I have another show coming with Miko, one coming with um Price. You know, it's like it's crazy. And then I got to do whatever not long ago, which was pretty cool. Um that was, you know, that was a unique experience. It actually it it did what I thought it would. So I I really have no complaints. I'm just a little upset that I flew 3,000 miles and barely got to speak.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Yeah. That's you know what? The whatever podcast is what we're talking about, if you if you're not familiar, um very, I'm gonna give my this is only me speaking about that podcast, my very dull-brained outside perspective of what it looks like. It looks like um the it looks like clickbait, and that's how they make their money. They have uh, you know, one or two smart people debate a bunch of hookers. Like that's it seems like what it is. Um, and uh it's very unfortunate that you didn't get to speak more. Uh, because like you said, you you're you fly out there, you get you got all this shit going on besides that, you make the time for this, and then you don't get to speak because, well, you know, you for whatever fucking knows reason, you know.
SPEAKER_01Well, so I guess there was a last minute decision. So I don't know if you watched the episode that I was on, but the chick that was wearing the pink sweater next to Brian, that's Andrew Wilson's wife.
SPEAKER_04I don't know Andrew Wilson. Is he the one that's that's the the other guy?
SPEAKER_01He's the one that's really smart that's always on the show debating.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, okay. He's got a little bit shaggier, sandy gray hair. Okay, yeah, yeah. I like that guy.
SPEAKER_01So Brian and Andrew are best friends, and Andrew sometimes comes on the show, but now he's got a lot of his own shit going on, like he just started a master debate class and all this other shit. So he sent his wife and she just wrote a book. So she went there to to debate a feminist on that Saturday, and I guess since she was in Santa Barbara, she decided to stay next to day. So it was actually supposed to be like me and this other girl, Olivia, that kind of were like sitting next to Brian and and going back and forth, and we wound up being kind of in the middle, and it was I don't know what I can say here because I had to sign a contract, but it was kind of like this thing where you couldn't interrupt Rachel or Brian.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah. They've I've I've I've had some shit like that. Some, you know, like when they're speaking, you shut the fuck up. And and if you if you speak after them, you're backing them up, you know.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, there's actually like a fine involved. Yeah, if you've interrupted.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that's that's the way they run their show. I won't talk shit. It's working for them. I I it's not one of my favorite shows. I I I like, I don't know, I just I find it low-hanging fruit to just debate feminist history.
SPEAKER_01It is now that I went on. And uh like I really I don't know what it was with me. I I I I had to overcome this fear. Listen, that show, that podcast, I should say, I have watched it for like 10 years. It was like my favorite podcast at one time. And I think that now that I've gotten older and wiser and stuff like that, I've I've started watching different things. And actually, to tell you the truth, I don't consume a whole lot anymore. I I I'm a creator, so like for you to for me to be watching you, and I'm not saying that I'm better than anybody, but for me to be watching you, I see some sort of value there and something that I could take away. So that's the type of stuff that I try to watch. But um, you know, Brian's show is what it is, it's good for what it's good for, and it's it's working for him, and that's the important thing.
SPEAKER_04It's working for everybody that's involved. Yeah, you know, whether whether I like it or Dave likes it or fucking Joe Schmo down the street likes it is completely a moot point because it's working for them and that's what they do. That's not my particular style. I like to consume other things. Like, pretty much all I consume, like I don't even watch my friends' shit anymore. Like all my like actual friends I got on the internet, I very, very rarely watch their shit just because I've had so many fucking times because I'm a truth teller, like I'm a persp I, you know, I'm a perspective and mentality, you know, guru, as I've been called. I hate that word, but um, that is my thing. And I see things on the internet and I talk about it and I bring it to a I bring it to a realistic perspective, I bring it to a real life perspective where somebody can take something away from it. But these friends of mine, they all think it's about them. So I just have to stop watching their shit because that way I I I maintain that plausible deniability. Like, dude, I didn't even see the fucking video. I'm not gonna have this argument. If you don't like my shit, unfucking follow me. It's I'm not gonna stop doing my shit, making people better when you're you're just doing dribble bullshit. Like it's it's not gonna happen. But I'll be honest with you, the I I the what I consume on the internet now 100% fact. I just watch cat videos. I I really do. I just watch cat videos. I watch cat videos. I watch videos of cat of cats, I watch videos of fucking all sorts of videos of cats. I dude, one of my favorite fucking videos is I forgot, dude. Now I forgot the page name. I would totally shout it out. But this woman has this cat with some sort of fucking mental dysfunction, so it's all wobbly and shit. I watch her make ways to feed it and so it can stand up, and I watch her play games with this fucking cat that can barely walk. Like, I that's how I detach because yeah, mentally, I'm above 90% of the internet. I don't give a fuck. I just am, I'm just above 90% of the fucking internet because it's all just whining and pissing and moaning about I started laughing when you said cats because mine's dogs. See, and I love dogs, I love dogs. Dave thinks he has dogs, but he doesn't. Oh shut up.
SPEAKER_02You just shut your pie hole.
SPEAKER_04Those aren't real dogs, those are bostons or some shit. But uh, I love dogs, but I gotta tell you, the older I get, the more I love cats. Like I just I I have had dogs my whole life, and I never had cats until I was an adult. And I'm an adult now, and I have two cats. I have Bruce and I have fat fuck. Um but she's and she's like totally into me, not into Bruce. Bruce is totally into me, not into fatfuck. But um, I gotta tell you, I I I like I like the independence of cats. Like, I love the fact that I can walk in the door and not trip on a motherfucker wagging his tail. It's the what it's the most endearing thing about dogs, is they always think you're awesome. I just don't want that anymore. I don't need that reassurance all the time. And this is just me speaking. I'm not throwing any shade on dogs or people that love dogs. I love dogs. But cats are just my style. Like, it's like they'll jump up, and if I want to pet you, I'll pet you, and then you fuck off. And you're totally cool with that. I'm totally cool with that. This is a great relationship we have here.
SPEAKER_02You're you're gonna be the crazy cat dude.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I'm the crazy cat. Everybody already calls me the cat whisperer because I'll go to people's houses and they're like, oh, he doesn't like people, and I'm like, This guy? He seems to like me.
SPEAKER_02I'm like that with dogs. I'm I'm exactly like that with dogs. I'll I I could have a dog come up to me on the street, like an owner just whatever, and I just start petting them. And the owner's like, he's never let anybody pet him like that. I'm like, well, I'm just really good with dogs.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I don't have any animals because I just I it it's not that I'm like being selfish. I just uh I so much going on.
SPEAKER_04I'm just like Well, that's that's not selfish. That's that's caring. Like literally, that's why I don't have a dog. Like I would have a dog. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem having a dog in the house because they do fill up the house with a little bit more love, you know, a lot more love, let's be honest. My problem is, and this is what I was telling telling Troy the other day, I don't, I won't have a dog because I'm now getting into I'm now gotten into a point where I've got shows to do all the fucking time. I'm I'm flying out here, I'm driving out there, I'm doing this, I'm going here. It's not fair to the dog. Right. It's not fair to the animal to bond to me and then I'm I'm out fucking 60% of the time.
SPEAKER_02No, it's just not. You just bring the dog with. No.
SPEAKER_01You could you my friend, my friend, he actually just moved to Indianapolis from Texas. But he he's one of those people that take his dog everywhere with him.
SPEAKER_04He has a pit bull or I don't only like pitbulls, but I love pitbull. Because shitty people own them.
SPEAKER_01I've risked three pit bulls and found homes for them because I used to like be in real estate and man, they were terrible. We would evict people and they would leave their their animals in locked in cages. Like you say, they're it was terrible.
SPEAKER_04There's there's really only two dog breeds that are an absolute piece of shit right out of the gate. You don't have to mistreat it. You don't have to do what is it? What did you just say? Poodle. Uh no, I well, okay, maybe three. I I've never interacted a lot with poodles. I heard they got a little bit of an attitude, but I was thinking fucking chihuahuas and chows. Chows are awesome looking, but every one of them is a fucking dickhead. Chihuahua, I'm sorry. I I think chihuahuas need to cease to exist altogether, all the way across the board. Those things are fucking stupid. They're useless, they're pointless, they're aggressive. All they do is sit there and fucking shake, which makes my fucking mentality shake. Like I can't.
SPEAKER_01They do change.
SPEAKER_02I know when I'm gonna get you for your birthday. You're getting the dog, brother.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, no, you're you're getting another dog.
SPEAKER_01What would Taco Bell use as his mat? Do they even still use that dog?
SPEAKER_02I don't know. No, I don't think so. No, I think Taco Bell, like most of their commercials now are just like regular bullshit stuff, no more no more of the the Chihuahua or whatever. Oh the Yokero Taco Bell.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, Yokero Taco Bell.
SPEAKER_02I haven't seen one, I haven't seen a new Taco Bell commercial in a long time.
SPEAKER_04But then again, I don't watch ever since they went bland and they just purpled everything. I haven't seen shit from them.
SPEAKER_02So the food still sucks. That's all you need to know.
SPEAKER_04So yeah. Well, it depends on what time of the night or what level of your intoxication it is. Because that's true. If you're wasted, Taco Bell is awesome. You ever had to put Tobago? No, no, no, no, no. No, no.
SPEAKER_02If you're wasted, French toast, bacon, and a chocolate milkshake. No, that's wrong. No, that's right.
SPEAKER_04No. That's good food. It's all good food, but now that's not wasted food. When I'm drunk, my food is Mexican omelet, covered in salsa, ketchup all over the fucking potatoes. That's my thing. So, well, uh, we're we're running a little over an hour. Um, so you got any got any new exciting projects coming up that you want to tell your fans about?
SPEAKER_01Um, so my book should be done and like like available for purchase by um June 1st. It was supposed to be January 1st. It took a little bit longer. Um, but it's called Free and Fair, and I'll have the link on my IG. Um as far as news goes, um, I usually post whatever podcast I'm doing. I don't know what I'm doing be great, but I know I'm going to Florida for it. Um, I think we're just waiting a little bit, probably till after summer, to do that. But but yeah, just uh if you guys follow me, just um keep pay attention to my posts and I'll keep you all updated on what's going on.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. And I love I loved this episode, right? I'll be honest with you, because I feel like, you know, back to the gender thing.
SPEAKER_01When you don't do the I feel say I I I think oh I feel it.
SPEAKER_02I feel it. I love I I I like her. She corrected you. That's all yeah, right.
SPEAKER_04Like, you know, that's that's what friends do. But uh when it comes to when it comes to internet personas and females, especially blonde ones that put some effort into the way they look, like you do, y'all motherfuckers get a real bad rap. So when you come on the shows, people get to actually know you. You know, like we've gotten to actually like you and I have been cool for a while, and and I know you're a real per real person, but now so many other motherfuckers know you're an actual real person. You've been through the shit, you made it out, and you're still carving your way, you're not stopping. I think it's fucking awesome. I think that this is a really, a really awesome episode. This is one of the best ones. Yes. So definitely let everybody know where they can find you one more time, near Chatty.
SPEAKER_01Uh chatty any official, every platform.
SPEAKER_02Nice and simple. Nice and easy. Let them know where they can find you, Dave. Well, you can find me on uh social media at um heavily active over there on Instagram and Facebook at The Hammer Drops. And since you're listening to this, take that 10 seconds and leave a review of the show and like it and share it and do all that fun shit for us.
SPEAKER_04Isn't it funny how he always says you can find me on social media? Like that's not exactly what the fuck we're talking about. You can find me at McDonald's, you can find me at the library, you can find me at the car wash.
SPEAKER_02Of course they can find you on social media. You can just okay. Uh you know what? Easiest thing, Google the hammer drops, and you're gonna find me everywhere.
SPEAKER_04Uh and if you want to help me out get these words out, get these truths out, you can follow me too at Savagely Loud on Instagram, is where I'm most active. On that page, you're gonna find two links. One of those links is Savagely Loud Podcast page. Please follow the show over there, it really does help. And the other link you're gonna find a simple link tree. Anywhere you want to see my bullshit or hear my rants, you can find it there easy peasy. Outside of that, Facebook X and Rumble at Savagely Loud, YouTube at Savagely Loud Podcast. Please do not forget to subscribe and then share it with your friends and have them subscribe too, because it would really help you out. Um, and you can email us in at savagely loud at gmail.com. Don't forget to like, comment, and share the material. And please, for the love of all the shit that you love, rate and review the shows. It really does help us out. All that put aside, I wanted to thank you. I want to thank you really quick, Chatty, for being here. This was a fantastic conversation. You're actually a really fucking I shouldn't say actually because that makes it sound like I didn't think so before. Uh, you're a very cool person, and I'm glad we got to actually sit down and act, have a real conversation finally. Um, this was awesome. Without further ado, you all know what time it is. It's time to remind ourselves that humanity still still exists within the human. With a little segment I like to call hopelessly human, and it starts a little bit like people can be libert.
SPEAKER_05They can be quite tough, they can get in the way, but at the end of the day, some are only stupid, some are hopelessly human.
SPEAKER_04And this one's no different. This one comes to you for from brightside.me. It's titled When My Neighbor Moved Away. It's super short, super powerful. Listen up. When my neighbor moved away, she gave me her plant because, quote, I seemed like someone who'd take care of it. I didn't even know her that well, honestly. A week later, I noticed a note under the pond. It's it read, quote, I was really lonely and you wave to me every day. Thank you. That plant now sits on my window. It's still healthy, and I wave to everyone. Simple little gestures can make people not feel so alone in this world where everybody does feel alone. So wave at some people. That's hopelessly human. That's a show. Later, guys.