EP.107 Christians vs. Everyone?

In this episode, we explore a question that many believers are increasingly asking: Are we entering an era where it feels like Christians are standing against the rest of society?

From cultural debates and political polarization to shifting social values and growing hostility across ideological lines, we examine why so many Christians feel isolated, misunderstood, or openly opposed in today's public square. At the same time, we ask whether the loss of tolerance is affecting everyone—not just people of faith.

Has genuine dialogue been replaced by outrage? Are disagreements now seen as threats rather than opportunities for understanding? And how can Christians respond faithfully in a culture where conviction and coexistence often seem to be in conflict?

Join us for an honest conversation about faith, culture, tolerance, and what it means to live as a Christian in an increasingly divided world.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

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SPEAKER_00 0:12

Guys, guys, guys, guys, hold up, hold up. You should know. This ain't for everybody. Welcome to Savagely Loud. What's happening, people, guys? Welcome back to the show. What did you say? Did we fuck this up? No, we didn't fuck it up. Keep going. You just fucked it up. What's happening, people, guys? Welcome back to the show. For the people that understand the facts, divided by feelings equals failure. I'm Cliff. I'm your host, and I'm joined today and always by Big Dave Anderson, the big bad Viking, aka Hammer. That's what everybody seems to be becoming knowing you as on the internet is Hammer. So, and and you know, I mean, it's a cool nickname. So, I mean, let's roll with it, right? Yeah, fuck it. Guys, before we get to Hammer, we're gonna if you want to help us out, get these words out, get these truths out, you can follow me at Savagely Loud on Instagram, is where I'm most active. I have been becoming more and more active on Facebook, which I have been enjoying. So uh you can follow me at Savagely Loud on Instagram for now. And on that page, you're gonna find two links. One of those links is to the Savagely Loud podcast page. If you could please follow us over there, that'd be greatly appreciated. There is one coming on Facebook. We're building it right now, um, but that's that's on Instagram right now. And the other link you're gonna find is a simple link tree. Anywhere you want to see my face or hear my rants, you're gonna find it there. Easy peasy. Outside of that, Facebook X and Rumble at Savagely Loud, YouTube at Savagely Loud Podcast. Please don't forget to like, subscribe, do all that stuff. Send it to your friends, have them subscribe. It's greatly appreciated because we do have some real conversations that most people need to hear, even if they don't want to hear them. So it is beneficial. So have your friends subscribe. And uh last but not least, don't forget to like, comment, and share the material and give us a good five-star review rating on Apple iTunes and Spotify. Really does help the show. You wouldn't believe how much help that couple of seconds out of your day can really provide for us. That all being said, hammer big Dave Anderson, the big bad Viking. What are we doing? How are we doing today, brother?

SPEAKER_01 2:33

Oh brother, I am doing good, man. Just enjoying it. You know, I I enjoy days like this where it's actually nice outside, it's not raining, it's cloudy, but it's it's not cloudy, it's sunny and it's not too hot. It's perfect fucking weather just to kick back and fucking relax. Just to sit in a basement and record a podcast. Yeah, yeah. This is how I'm what I'm doing with my day, folks. My day off, I'm sitting in my basement recording a podcast with my good friend Savage.

SPEAKER_00 3:02

Um, if you're watching, you're gonna notice a whole different look, right? Because, like we said, we've we've been we've been working behind the scenes, grinding our dicks into the dirt so we can make some cooler things happen. And now we are instead of recording on Zoom, which was it did the job. I'm gonna be nice. It did the job that it needed to do for as long as it needed to do it, but there were so many ineptitudes in that program that don't exist inside of StreamYard. Uh, we decided to transition to StreamYard Plus, um, instead, just not just doing StreamYard local recordings so we can do our pre-recorded show for you guys. We are moving to doing live shows every single week. We are gonna have our pre-recorded shows on Tuesday or Thursday. We're gonna work that out. Um, we're gonna have our guest shows, but we are gonna be doing live shows starting June 21st, every Sunday night, 7 p.m. Central Standard Time. Tune in. Um, we're gonna be broadcasting to the Savagely Loud podcast page on YouTube. We're gonna be broadcasting to my Savagely Loud page on Facebook. I know a lot of you are are sending friend requests to the Clifford H more, the third page. Make sure you you do go over to the Savagely Loud page, that is also my page, and like it there. Um, because I get a lot of I get a lot of people. They they send me a friend request on on the Clifford Moore page, and they go, you know, I thought you had thousands of subscribers or thousands of followers, and and you got like 800 and something, you know. And I was like, well, that's that's on the Savagely Loud page, which is gonna approach 178,000 followers on that page real soon. So make sure you're going over there. I'm I'm all for I will I will confirm your friend requests on the clip or more. Um, but definitely make sure you go follow over on uh like and follow uh Savagely Loud page on Facebook because that is another place that this is going to air live or stream live on Sunday nights. And we are also going to be streaming live to the hammer drops page, that's Dave's page on Facebook every Sunday night. And that being said, Dave, let them know all the wonderful little corners of the internet that they can find you.

SPEAKER_01 5:12

Oh, you want to know all the cracks and crevices that you can find me? You can uh you can find me over there on Facebook and Instagram where I'm heavily active at the hammer drops. Obviously, I'm also active on the um over there on TikTok, but that one I'm more active on the Heathen Drops, where I talk a lot about Norse pig and perspectives on different things, which you may have noticed a lot of my content has switched over to that even on their hammer drops as well. Getting you know, just getting to the roots of things, you know.

SPEAKER_00 5:39

Yeah, so and and and let's address that because we want to we want to tell the fans and we want to tell the the six or seven people on the internet that like you that uh wow that you will you you are are fully diving into Norse paganism and the per the pagan perspective on modern society. You're gonna get into your merge lane every now and like we all do, you know. Like my main thing is personal development, and you know, but I do cultural commentary as well, and I will get into that lane every so often, and then I go right back into my lane. Your lane is is is going to be Norse pagan paganism, uh the perspectives and how you can pertain the teachings of the old world gods to modern society in today's day and age, correct? Correct.

SPEAKER_01 6:25

Um, yeah, I I I'll I'll take you know um you know, even stuff like I just did I did one a video, I'm sure if anybody saw it about like how people peaked in high school and framed it as you know, with a Norse perspective. I I'm gonna everything I put out there is gonna be through a Norse perspective, a Norse lens to kind of you know see how it was back then and how modern society has just become what it is today, just a big problem a lot of the times, let's be honest. But I'm also gonna be doing a lot of you know stuff with the Havamal, with talking about the Norse gods, because there's a lot of people that ask questions about it, even Christians ask questions about it. Like, you know, how do you do this? How do you do that? So I'm gonna start putting that stuff out there so people have a better understanding that Norse paganism isn't doesn't make you the devil or possessed or a demon or anything like that, it's just another spiritual path that people choose to go down because it's allowing you to reconnect to what's what matters the most, and that's nature and the seasons and stuff like that, right?

SPEAKER_00 7:28

And that being said, guys, um, we're gonna get into some volatile shit today. Like we there's no other way to put this for you guys. We are going to get into some volatile shit because I've been being attacked and attacked and attacked for days. Now, I don't mind being attacked, as you will see in my comments and have seen in my comments. I will fire right back and and nobody can fight it. In fact, let me read for you one of the comments I got today and my reply to that comment. So I did a or um the other day, I should say. I'm I'm I'm stuck on today. You never you normally don't do this. Um uh I do I do sometimes. Uh you're right. I normally don't. I'll get in when I post something, guys. Let me let me just educate you on how I do things because I I get a lot of people saying, like, oh, you didn't respond, you didn't respond. I've got things to do. I'm building real businesses in the background with real business people. I I don't have I don't have 10 hours a day to sit on Facebook, Instagram, X, and fucking rumble and Instagram, all these, all these social social media sites and just reply to comments. Like, and I my time is much more valuable than to replying to comments. Uh, so I will spend, you know, the first half an hour after after I post something and I'll try to get into the comments. But typically when I post something, I am now busy with something else. So if I don't reply to you, it's not that unless you're a hater or you're fucking retarded, um, yeah, I'm not gonna reply to you most of the time, but I'm just gonna let you, I'm just gonna leave you on on the social fucking, you know, on the social platform to let everybody see how fucking stupid you are. But uh to the to the people that that show some love, uh, you know, I'll try to get to you guys, but I do, I I am building real businesses. This is not my business. Um, talking on the internet is not my business. Chatting with people in the comment sections is not my business. I have many other businesses, and that is not one. But let me read you this one comment from this absolute fucking dickbag that I got the other day. His name is Boy B7 UE on Instagram. And uh he said, I did a video on how Christians, this is where the volatile start, the volatile stuff starts. I did a video on how Christians are the only people out here screaming from the top of their lungs about how everybody needs to believe in their God because their God is the is is great, their God is perfect, their God created everything, and he doesn't make mistakes. But then immediately after they give you that spiel, they want to turn around and start hating on everything God created as if it's a mistake. I did a video on this and I won't get too too into it right yet, but this is one of the comments that I got in the in that on that video. It's by Boy B7 UE, uh, and it says, your rant voice is one is the one you hear when you fall off a cliff and wish you could hear another voice. That what he was trying to do is say that basically my voice was nails on a chalkboard, and you'd want to hear anything else other than my voice as you're about to die. That's a pretty fucking hefty put down, a pretty hefty fucking cutdown for most people. Not me. I dare you. I replied to that at Boy B7 UE. So you're saying my voice is so powerful, it overwhelmed overwhelms the sound of God's voice at the time of death. Wow, did that one backfire? And I put a bunch of lappy faces, and then he's like, You know what I meant. No, I fucking don't because you're retarded. I'm I just don't deal with people. And uh, you know, and that one that comment, it actually got people to come at me and they're like, you know, not come at me, but uh to come to me and you're like, Wow, you get you get really vicious right out of the gate. Um, guys, I do not pull punches with idiots. I do not pull punches with uneducated fucking morons that live under delu uh a veil of delusion. I just don't. And I'm not one of those people that will, oh my god, your shirt is gay and your beard is stupid. I'm not that. I want I when you come at me, I'm gonna come at you with everything I got and try to get them feet swinging in the kitchen. That's that's what I'm gonna do. I I I want you to contemplate your existence here on the fucking planet when you come after me. This isn't this isn't playtime to me. This isn't uh this isn't some fun little battle. No, you have started us into a war, and I promise you I will win that.

SPEAKER_01 12:01

Yeah, that's uh I I've known you for a hot minute, and I I I can yeah, I have to agree. I mean, like you're like the last person that you know you better have your fucking bring a lunch, bring a dinner, bring a breakfast, bring a lunch. Folks, if you're gonna come, yeah, you don't got a chance.

SPEAKER_00 12:22

You lawyer people, I everybody I've ever known said I should have been a lawyer because I have an answer for everything you can try to fucking present to me. Yeah, no, and I've seen that.

SPEAKER_01 12:31

And I've I've actually gone in your comment section quite a bit, and I've I just see you know, like when you go at somebody, it's just like damn, fuck.

SPEAKER_00 12:38

Yeah, but it takes but in my defense, you know, according to the Christians, that's wrong. But in my defense, is it not wrong for you to do what you're doing to me? Are you not supposed to accept everything? Are you not supposed to love thy neighbor regardless of what he believes or what he says? Are you not supposed to turn the other cheek? Um, you know, I it's it's it's a wild proposition when people come at me for you know saying that I'm too harsh or I'm I'm yeah, I'm evil, I'm this and that. No, you brought me a war. Don't get mad when I win it.

SPEAKER_01 13:11

Well well, and that's unfortunate because especially when you're starting to talk about religion online and it doesn't coexist with Christianity. I get it all the time. I get the DMs, I get the messages, all that crap about how um I'm possessed, I'm a demon, you know, even with my backgrounds here, you know. Oh yeah, you're fucking possessed, you know, you're evil, you're the devil. It's like, no, no, I'm not. You know, it's you just can't uh seem to understand another perspective on spirituality. You you just everything has to be what you think it is, what you've been taught, what you know, by organized religion, and you have you know, and it doesn't seem very Christian-y of you.

SPEAKER_00 13:52

Well, and and one of the big things I hear a lot is you know, people talking about the runes on your flag there. Those are Norse, those are Norse pagan runes, those those are those actually have meaning um that that involve life living protection, the pursuit of happiness, the pursuit of protect, you know, strength, all of this stuff. But you fucking idiots out there, and I'm not pretending this only to Christians, I'm saying the fucking idiots out there. Uh, you guys want to come at that flag like it's and you keep calling it satanic. Two things, first and foremost, you're showing how stupid you are. And don't get and expect to get destroyed when when you guys say shit like that. And the second thing is, is um the argument you use for that being satanic, and then the the rants you go into as far as Satanism goes, just again shows you how fucking uneducated you are, because Dave and I both have friends of every single, every single religion, every single denomination of every single religion. We have literal friends in our circles that are of those religions, all of them, including Satanism. Now, and I will tell you this of all the fucking people I know, and I'm only being honest, I'm not a Satanist. I'm a I'm Norse pagan. I'm a pagan. Um, of all the people I know, including pagans, the absolute most accepting of everybody, everybody, Jews, Muslims, Christians, pagans, Hindus, Buddhists, everything are my fucking are our Satanist friends. Yeah. They are hands down the most accepting.

SPEAKER_01 15:33

Yeah, they are. They are the most accepting. You know, they they don't care where where you sit spiritually, but you know, you know, they accept you for who you are, for what you bring to the table. You know, whereas even in paganism, you have your you know, people want to create it this organized thing, you know, with paganism in a lot of those groups, and that's the problem because it's like we got out of that whole organized religion thing because it didn't make sense to us, right? You know, and now we're trying to organize this, it's like what the fuck you're doing, but you're 100% right. Like, I've got friends that are Christian, that are Jewish, that are Muslim, that you know, all of it. And the most accepting has been this I have not met a Satanist that wouldn't accept me, and I'm not a Satanist.

SPEAKER_00 16:19

Absolutely, 100 fucking percent. I mean, dude, one of my absolute fucking best friends on this goddamn earth is a Satanist, and he's the coolest motherfucker, one of the coolest at least, motherfuckers that I have ever met in my entire life.

SPEAKER_01 16:35

Entire life. He's probably one of the coolest motherfuckers I've ever met, too. You know, he's a good dude, and you know, like anytime I have like if I have a question or whatever, especially with when we're getting this going, just get a hold of it. He's like this, this, and he just cool, respectful fucking dude, you know. Yeah, you know, and you know, it's like if he had questions about Norse paganism, he's gonna come to us, you know, and with those questions, like because he wants to understand it, you know, and it's just like you can't. I mean, very few Christians are like that too, mind you. Very few of them will actually want to know about paganism in general, but surprisingly, I have a Muslim friend that has asked me countless things about paganism, especially about Norse paganism.

SPEAKER_00 17:20

Well, because here's the thing about Norse paganism or paganism in general, because there's Celt paganism, there's a couple of different paganisms, but they all kind of revolve into the same circle. Um, the thing is, is it's not organized, just like you said, it's not an organized religion. It is it is a spirituality, it's a foundation of spirituality and spiritual connection with the planet, nature, the trees, deer, rabbits, our existence here, our purpose here. It's it's being in tune with your surroundings, and it's just on a spiritual level. That's why we don't have to, we don't have to, you know, at this time every day do this thing, and then we have to go here on this day to do this other thing. We don't have to do any of that. We don't have to do any of that. I can walk the fuck around the nature trail talking to my gods, they're talking to me. I can, if I'm really fucking feeling down and if our or if I really in that mood where I really, really want to connect, I can go visit my altar that I have in my home that somebody doesn't make hundreds of millions of fucking dollars on owning while it's tax free. I don't have to go anywhere. I can go to my home, I can go to my altar, and I can connect deeply with the gods there. Yeah, no, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 18:34

And that's what I do. Like if I want to connect deeply with my with the gods, I go to my altar and I'll sit there, I'll light my candles, the incense, all that stuff, and I'll just connect. You know, it's nice and quiet, you know, I have a nice comfy area to sit and just fucking reflect on everything that's going on. If I you know it, but it's see, and you don't necessarily just always have to go to the altar. I mean, you can just go outside, sit with nature, and it's just as good. We don't need four walls to honor our gods, and I don't and that's one thing I never understood with like organized religion. Like, you have to go to these churches, these temples, and all that stuff in these four walls, give your money, and that's how you honor your God. It's just like, why?

SPEAKER_00 19:14

Yeah, who where what exactly is the address in heaven, and where do you send the money? Like, I that's I'm curious, you know.

SPEAKER_01 19:22

And see, and that's funny. Like, I I've my brother, you know, he was big into the church, you know, until he got onto the board. Once he got on the board of the church that he was involved with, he he understood what it the church was all about. It's just a business, they're just there to make money. You know, they read out of a book, that's it. That was written by a man hundreds of years after Jesus died. Right. Well, and and this is coming from a man he was a devout Christian. You know, my brother was a devout Christian, him and his wife. That you know, he would go to the church, play music on Sundays, and all that stuff until he got on that board. And once he got on that board, everything changed for him. Yeah, because now you have now you've seen behind the curtain.

SPEAKER_00 20:04

Exactly. And you know what? Let me interject real quick. I'm hearing a little bit of feedback every now and then. Uh, we're new to this stream yard thing. We've got a cool background, we've got all a bunch of shit, cool shit going on. We're working our way through this. This is literally the first show we've ever recorded on StreamYard. So I've been on StreamYard, but it's always been as a guest on somebody else's shit. So you know, we have no idea what we're doing. Um, so just bear with us. But yeah, when it comes to the Christian aspect of things, I'm not, I'm not in any way, shape, or form saying Christians are bad people. I'm saying broad scale, they're the most hypocritical. Um, here's another example. My I have I have a lot of Christian friends, they don't like Muslims, they fucking hate Muslims. I don't particularly care for the religion. I'm gonna put that out there. I don't particularly care for um a lot of the things in the religion that allows that people, practers of that religion or followers of that faith to do things that I disagree with. I on a on a human or a fundamental or core level. I I just don't particularly like that that religion. Um, but I've got a lot of Christian friends that absolutely fucking hate Muslims. And one of their biggest arguments is that none of them agree with each other, which is true. You know, the Muslims all hate the Muslims. You know, how many times have we seen that play out in reality? You've got the Shiite and you've got the Sunni. Um, but here's the other thing is if you look it up and you do your research, and it's gonna take more than a two and a half minute Google search. So when I mean research, I don't mean ask chat and see what you get. Um, do some research. You will find that there's been, I think, 31,000. Let me reiterate that number, 31,000 different denominations of Christianity. That means that Christians don't agree with each other. That means that Christians, none of them, believe the same shit. And they all believe they should have their own club because they all believe they're right. So then they go on and they Form their own their their own church, their own congregation, their own following, their own religious doctrines. And that is what leads us to the one religion, which is known as the religion that rules by fear, uh, to have 31,000 different denominations while you guys are bitching that this other religion over here has two. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:21

And it doesn't make any sense. It really doesn't. Like you need 31,000 different, like you said, 31,000 different denominations because you all think that your way is the right way. Muslims, they have a couple, and whereas paganism.

SPEAKER_00 22:36

Well, you know, if you've got a Norse pagan and a Celt pagan, we're gonna be fine. Exactly. We're gonna be just fine. But if you've got a Lutheran and a Methodist, watch the fuck out. Because there are some problems about to fucking happen. Or you've got a Protestant and a Catholic. That's that's like the fucking Yankee fan versus the Red Sox fan, or the White Sox fan versus the Cubs fan. They want to kill each other. Fucking Catholics and Protestants. Look at Ireland. Ireland has been a fucking war zone for how long? All because Protestants and Catholics can't get the fuck along. That's why you have the Green Irish and the Orange Irish. That's why you have these people saying that the Orange Irish, which are the Protestants, are the bad Irish. Those are the ones that need to be wiped the fuck out so that the Green, uh, the Green Irish, the Catholics, can just reclaim the land and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. All you've done is turn the fucking place into a war zone. You've killed people, you've caused pain, anguish, suffering, turmoil. You've created so much hell for people on earth with your fucking disagreements, that, but then you're gonna immediately turn around and tell everybody that's not a Christian how wrong they are. This is what we're getting at. I don't hate Christianity, and I don't hate Christians. In fact, I will tell you this uh I don't know who said it, but they but it was somebody that said one day, one time that regardless of whether or not you believe in Jesus, if you lived your life, and I'm paraphrasing, of course, and probably butchering it, but if you lived your life as if he was real and you lived by his teachings, your life would be better. He didn't say anything about everybody else's life, he said your life would be better, and I largely agree with that. Um, because the core teachings of you know just compassion and empathy and love thy neighbor and this and that and the other thing, that would lead you to to live a good life, as opposed to some of these other fucking people with their belief systems that lead them down darker roads, if you will.

SPEAKER_01 24:47

Yeah, well, and if if you did any kind of research, I mean a lot of people, there are people that now talk about Jesus and what Jesus, when Jesus walked the earth, he was here to enlighten people, right? To raise their inner consciousness up so you have full, you know, full brain power of to understand spirituality, the cosmos, all that stuff. But like any other organized religion, they want to take that away and put it away somewhere so nobody understands that. Yo, but there are people that believe that fact of Jesus, and I've always been a firm believer that Christianity is a great concept, it really is. Yeah, it just went or when it got organized, it just completely took everything away that Jesus was trying to teach the people when he walked the earth and just rebranded it into fear, nothing but fear mongering. You have to do this because if you don't do this, then you're gonna go to hell. If you do this, you're gonna go to hell. If you do this, you're gonna go to hell. It's you know, it took away everything that it was supposed to be about. It really did.

SPEAKER_00 25:49

Well, and that's and that's man's gift to Christianity. So let's get into that. Let's we're gonna, we're absolutely gonna fucking dumb this stuff down so that it's as simple as possible, as black and white as possible. And the whole idea is before the Abrahamic religions, which is Judaism, Islam, and Christianity, before the Judy, uh, before the Abrahamic religions, people just lived and let live. That's what they did. Like there were some wars, there was some fighting, there was some turmoil, but once the Abrahamic religions entered the fucking chat, things became really difficult for literally the entire globe. We had the Jews, uh, Judaism was trying to take over as the at the same time that Islam, Islam was trying to take over, at the same time that Christian, Christianity was trying to take over. And how did they take over? You would think that Christians would try to take over by living their own doctrine, like just being the good person, showing empathy, showing the world that they can live and be happy and be accepting of others and then live by example. And then by doing that, that would make other people go, hey, like I notice you have a very different attitude and a very different approach and a very different perspective on things regarding life in the world as we know it. What is where is this coming from? What is this? And that by being a good person, that would spark the interest. No, what they did is they slaughtered everybody. The Christians walked across the fucking global map and slaughtered absolutely fucking everybody because how fucking dare you not believe in our shit? And when it comes to paganism, let me connect this. When it comes to paganism, that's what happened in the Northern Crusades. They found all the fucking pagans in Scandinavia, Northern Europe, and all this other all these other fucking places, Ireland, Scotland, and they slaughtered the fuck out of everybody because what we were doing was living what they should have been living. Because Christianity, for the Christians and my Christian friends, we we get in these conversations all the time. You guys know more about paganism than you understand you do, because Christianity is literally 98% paganism that they stole, rewrapped, called it somebody else. They and called it something else. They made some changes, they made some tweaks, which we'll get into in a second, and then they called it something else. And it was all in an effort so that man can control other men. Previous to Christianity, most mortal men refused to bow to a mortal man unless it was a king, which was not a religious fucking person at that time. He was the community leader. He was the lead, he was the person tasked with keeping his his community, his society safe. Had nothing to do with religion. It had everything to do with protection, okay? Protection, feed, you know, or food and feeding your colony, all this other shit. Well, when the Christians marched into fucking all the pagan areas, what they found was societies that worked. And they didn't fucking, they because because everybody believed in the gods, everybody fucking upheld their oath to the gods, their oath to their fellow man, their family, their colony. They upheld everything, but it was all in the name of the gods. And they didn't have to answer to a mortal man to get the truth from the gods. What happened, what, what happened when Christians came in, mortal man wants control. So what they did is they took paganism, all encompassing, because there are, like we did say, there are several different denominations, uh, if you will, of paganism. They took all of that and they said, this is really good shit. Christmas, that's really awesome. Easter, that's really awesome. Halloween, that's really awesome. All this other shit is really awesome because all the Christian holidays are actually pagan holidays. Um, but they took that and they said, now, how can we get control of this? How can we get this system of living instead of filtering the wealth and riches and happiness to itself? How can we get this religion of people to filter the wealth, the riches, the gold, the happiness, the power, the control all to us? Well, what we'll do is we'll alter some things. First and foremost, we're gonna remove all the gods. This whole pantheon of gods, this whole democracy of gods, this whole panel of multiple gods, that's gotta go because we know they're gonna act like children. If they don't get the right answer from mom, they're gonna go to fucking dad, right? So we're gonna get rid of all that and we're gonna make one God. His name shall be Jesus, and he shall be known as the person that gave his life as the savior of humanity. So you now have to obey every single thing that he says. However, here's the caveat: you can't talk to him, and he can't talk to you. He can only talk to a person that is worthy of hearing his voice, which is a priest. So now this priest, obviously, he has a mortal, he's a mortal man. He has to be the bridge between mortal men and God. So now you have to go to him to get your truth and get your wisdom, because all wisdom basically is forbidden. The wit, the, you know, the wisdom of good and evil, that is all encompassing. And that's what a lot of Christians don't understand. The knowledge of good and evil encompasses all knowledge, because every single fucking bit of knowledge, whether it's rocket ships, how to build them, whether we or not we should launch them, or it's fucking how to mow the grass, it's where we should plant a tree, it's how you treat a dog or an alligator. All of this shit is encompassed in the knowledge of good and evil because you are either good or you are or you are evil. Well, you can't know any of that. So now you have to go to this other mortal man who has the grace of God bestowed upon him and he can then convey the message to you so that you know how to live. Before all this, the gods told you how to live because you felt it in your heart. But now a mortal man is telling you how to live. And it's really weird that it's always them telling you how to live in a manner that would seemingly benefit the church. Isn't that weird? You gotta give God a good portion of your income, 10% tithing right off the gate right off the gate, right out of the fucking, right out of the fucking top of the paycheck. You gotta give God 10% of your fucking income. Pagans didn't have to do anything. They what we did, what pagans did is they would offer, they would make an offering. It could be a food offering, it could be a fucking offering of of vocal speech, it could be an offering of quiet emotion. You offered the gods something, which Christians all want to say it was always human sacrifice, you were always killing somebody and painting the fucking altar with their blood. It had nothing to do with that. Did that happen? Of course that happened, but it wasn't always that, and it was very in fact, it was rarely that.

SPEAKER_01 33:00

Yeah, they did they okay, they did sacrifices back thousands of years ago, but what what Christians seem to misunderstand about these sacrifices is that it was like when they did these things, uh I want to say it was like every nine years or something like that. But when they did these things, a lot of the people offered themselves. It wasn't them being taken and be like, we're sacrificing you. They offered themselves to be sacrificed for a good harvest, for the whole community to be better, for more rain, for more land and all that stuff. They offer themselves because that was the highest thing that they can achieve at that time. That would have been their ticket into say Valhalla, so to speak, by offering themselves to the gods and so on and so forth. So for all you Christians that think, okay, that's your go-to about human sacrifice. Yes, it happened, but your misconception of it is completely off base.

SPEAKER_00 34:00

Well, and isn't that funny how that plays a little bit into Islam, where one of the highest honors you can receive is to die for the gods and really die. Christians say we must sacrifice for the gods, but it never involves death, unless you're unless you're going through this this ritual of eating the wafer, which is supposed to represent the flesh of God, and then drinking the wine, which is supposed to represent holy blood. Uh, that's a that's a human sacrifice ritual. You're just not actually conducting the sacrifice. So it's weird. And the other thing that's very confusing for non-Christians, and this isn't uh this isn't shade, it's just one of those aspects that's confusing, is that um you you say that everybody else is wrong, but you you you you you've you've got this this system of belief that comes from a book that was written hundreds of years after the teachings of this person that actually didn't teach any of that from what from my guess from what I'm gathering, because so many things were added in and so many things were removed that you don't even know your own book. Like, where's the book of Enoch? They removed it. Did you know the Bible was actually assembled, uh assembled by a court? Did you know that, Christians? Did you know that the Bible was assembled and pieced together in basically what is essentially a courtroom?

SPEAKER_01 35:26

Oh, you can't you can't you can't be telling them that you're gonna burst their bubble, bro.

SPEAKER_00 35:30

That's why the book of Enoch is is non-existent, that's why everything the I think there's 14 books they fucking they took away because it led you to believe other things, which was a lot like uh you just be your own fucking person instead of believing this in this God that sacrificed himself for the savior of to be the savior of mankind, and he sacrificed himself for our sins, which also is a weird point of contention or a point of confusion for non-Christians, because in my and and this is just in my brain, I'm totally fucking retarded. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in my brain, if if I sacrifice myself for the sins of mankind moving into the future so that they can be saved from hellfire and damnation, which is another thing that never existed before the Abrahamic religions, um does that doesn't that mean that I'm supposed to sacrifice myself? But the way I saw it was it was, wasn't it the Jews and the Romans and all this other shit that persecuted Jesus and then forced him upon the cross? Yeah. And then forced their will upon him, beating the ever-loving fuck out of him. I feel like if Jesus was to have sacrificed himself, he would have walked up there and said, Sacrifice me in the name of all humanity. That's not what happened at all. That's not what fucking happened at all. No, no, it's not how is it how is it he sacrificed himself? It's actually God. We can we can go we'll go one step up. Well, the the his father, God, uh sacrificed his own son. Is that noble or is that murder? And why did that murder become noble for the murdered? It's it's it's it's I'm I'm only telling I'm only saying this because it's confusing as shit. The mental gymnastics that you have to do to wrap your head around this.

SPEAKER_01 37:23

Yeah, I'm I'm over here after you just said that. I'm trying to wrap my head around and it doesn't, it makes no fucking sense. Like it just doesn't it it doesn't like why would your why would a father sacrifice his own son like murder essentially, like you said, murder his own son? Like why? Well, I mean apparently he didn't well and there's a lot of that in Christian texts, like you know, a what is it, Abraham and his sons or whatever, like they killed each other or whatever. I mean, I'm not yeah, I'm not trying to quote anything out of the fucking Christian things because I'm not Christian, but I I do have some understanding there, but I know that there's been there's a lot of death in the Bible, and a lot of that death has been murder, you know. It's like it's kind of confusing because you're supposed to be the religion of love and all this other stuff and turn the other cheek, but yet the dark parts of your religion is there's a lot of fucking murder in there, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:12

A lot of well that and that plays directly into the attacks that I've been receiving all fucking week. And one of the biggest attacks is you know, or one of the biggest things that the Christians are saying to me is, and they're saying, Well, have you ever considered this? Was another comment actually? Uh, and he's a good dude, so I didn't attack him, but uh, I I I replied, but I didn't attack. Um, he said, Well, have you ever considered the opposite of God? Because I said God created everything, so pain, turmoil, sin, all this shit is is a creation of God. And and he said, Well, have you ever considered the opposite of God? And then another guy commented, and he's like, It was the wicked one who who creates the pain and anguish and turmoil and suffering and this and that and the other thing. And I'm still locked in on you guys saying that God created everything. If God created everything, those are your words, right? Those is that's out of your book. If God created everything, then he created the wicked, he created the turmoil, he created the suffering. And for the people that say, no, that's the devil, I will tell you this. If he created everything, he created the devil, he created the one tasked with creating pain and suffering for all of his creation. If I'm writing a book, right? Let's say I'm an author, right? And I'm writing a book, and I'm writing, I'm writing, I'm writing, I'm writing, I'm writing, and I and do I not have the ability to write in or leave out an antagonist? Do I have do I not have the ability to write in or leave out the whole entire storyline of a bad guy? Well, I if I'm the author and I'm writing the book and I don't want bad shit in the book, I leave the bad guy out. I never write the part, I never create the character. That's how I see God. God was God wrote the book, right? According to everybody, God wrote the book of life and the book of the world and the book of humanity and the book of existence. Um why didn't he leave out the bad guy? Or why didn't he leave out all of the bad guys? Because there are many. Why didn't he leave all of that out? He had the power, he's perfect, he doesn't make a mistake, but he created the fucking people that are are tasked with ruining lives. I don't understand it.

SPEAKER_01 40:40

No, it's it's very hard to understand, you know, especially considering you know what they say, the devil is just a fallen angel, he's a fallen angel that was created by God. So God created the devil because you have to have good with you have to have light with the darkness and all that stuff, whatever they're saying is. But I mean, he essentially created it. So if you wanted to have this utopia world, this utopia religion and all this stuff, your creation, why would you introduce evil into it?

SPEAKER_00 41:14

I we're gonna have to do some mental gymnastics and we'll get the Christians involved to to answer that one because it seems to me that it you you probably shouldn't have done that. It seems to me it was it would be really easy to leave the bad part out. It was you know, it's like it's like Disney movies. I don't watch Disney movies because there's always a bad part, there's always some some sort of catastrophic suffering that happens so that the fucking writers of the story can take you on this emotional roller coaster. Why does it have to be an emotional roller coaster? Why can't we just be born into a life of bliss and then eventually never fucking die because we're good people created in euphoria and live meant to live to bliss, but no, we have an expiration date. He could have left out the expiration dates too. In fact, when you read the Bible, apparently everybody lived for 900 and some fucking years or a thousand fucking years, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:07

Yeah, it was like thousands of years. I was actually listening to the Bible a little while ago because I want a little bit better understanding of them, but I couldn't get past as soon as they start talking about like um this person lived for like 1500 years. I'm just sitting over here thinking, I'm like, there's no fucking way. So you mean to tell me that people were living 1500 years back then, but today all of a sudden we have famine, we have death, we have suffering, we have all this stuff, but yet Jesus supposedly died for our for everybody's sins, and yet everybody's still here suffering.

SPEAKER_00 42:37

It makes no fucking sense, absolutely no sense. I I don't I don't understand it, and again, it's not shade, it's confusion. I I I you know the only shade that I will throw at Christians is shut the fuck up with this Christ as king shit because you can't back it up. Shut the fuck up, telling on every video you make, God is good. Let me ask you this, guys. And Odin's the all father, uh yeah, oh, of course, but um here's the thing, Christians, listen to me. When you see Christians making videos, regardless if they're about God or not, they always end them with Christ is king or God is good, like the vast majority of people end it with Christ is king or God is good. Who are you trying to convince? That's my question. Who are you trying to convince? Because all of the other religions, to which there are hundreds, if not thousands, um, none of them end their videos, no people, no followers or practicers of these other faiths, uh end with and Odin is the all father, or uh, you know, grace be to Allah. Nobody fucking does it. Why is it only Christians that end all their videos with God is good? Who are you trying to convince? Because it would seem to me that you're trying to convince yourself, actually. You're not trying to convince anybody else because a one line statement is not going to convince anybody that didn't say it. But if the person saying it says it enough, It's self-indoctrination. You say something enough and then you start to believe it. Just like, you know, I got my car stolen when I was 16. I didn't. But if I say that long enough, I will actually, and this is scientifically proven by the scientists that God created, uh, it's scientifically proven to that I will eventually end up believing that I had a car stolen when I was 16 and I didn't even fucking have a driver's license when I was 16.

SPEAKER_01 44:25

Well, no, I mean I mean I mean, and this will be like something for a different topic, but I want to touch on that because uh, you know, we your brain is a very powerful thing. You can manifest anything that you want if you constantly tell yourself it. Like if you sat there and constantly told yourself, Oh, I'm sick, I'm sick, I'm sick, eventually, guess what? You're gonna end up being sick. Yeah, you know, and that's just your brain working, and it's been there, it's scientifically proven, so you know it's it just it blows my mind. And you know, with that God is good again. You know, I have to revert back to what we were just talking about. If God is so good, then why? Why is it that there's all this suffering? Why are these so many people homeless? Why are so many people dying for of fucked up shit? Why do kids suffer? Why doesn't God, why doesn't your God intervene and stop it?

SPEAKER_00 45:14

Yeah, why doesn't why doesn't God take why doesn't your God take the cancer out of the little kid and put it in the fucking pedophile? Right? Exactly. He's capable of miracles that happen all the fucking time. Why? Why why can't why can't this be a miracle? Why can't our children, all of us, you know, that are have that have had kids or are gonna have kids or have you know are having kids currently? Why can't every single kid be born healthy? Why can't every single kid explore a life of amazement and wonder and peace and safety and security and comfort? Why can't that happen? Why is it that so many fucking kids live a life of hell? Why is there hundreds of thousands of kids being trafficked every single fucking year under the watch of your God when it didn't have to happen, right?

SPEAKER_01 46:09

And that then that's why, you know, it it I have a hard time with the whole Christianity thing, and you know, and all that stuff. All the books that have been taken out of your Bible, you know, like we've already discussed, the Bible was written in a courtroom amongst a bunch of noble men and all this stuff, and that's what the Bible was, and they took books out. And guess where those books are? They still have them. Yeah, it's in the Vatican. Now we could talk about the Vatican. Why is the Vatican its own little entity and why does it have to have its own military? And why does it have so many tunnels underneath it? And it only allows certain people to go into.

SPEAKER_00 46:45

Well, if that's your faith, shouldn't everybody of that faith have access to those books? No, because that's forbidden knowledge, and Christianity is built on not knowing things. Exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 46:57

Norse paganism, our our knowledge, our wisdom, and I wish I had it down here with me, comes from the Havamal. And guess what? The Havamal is accessible to everybody, and it's interpreted by different people in different ways, but it's got the same writings, it hasn't been altered in thousands of fucking years. It was written, and I don't for all you Christians, yeah, it was written by Snorri Snorri or whatever, or no, he did a lot of the sagas, but so if the Havamo was written by a Christian, it's just a Christian take on it, but it's still the words because these things that you see right here, right back here, all these ruins, it's also the alphabet, yeah. Elder Futhark, younger Futhark. Look at it, look at it up, look it up, look it up. That's how they communicated back in those days, thousands, what, 1500 years ago.

SPEAKER_00 47:52

It was one of the original forms of human language written language, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 47:57

So again, I mean, we could go on and on with that. I mean, it just it blows my mind. It just, but I mean, you shouldn't you the people, I guess, ultimately need to start questioning those things, like why don't we have access to that? Why can't we see that? It's because they want to control you.

SPEAKER_00 48:13

Well, I had a qu I I had a conversation with a fucking with a really great friend of mine, and and he's a very he's very, very Christian. He's he's very inspirational. He has a his own essentially a congregation built um now. Uh, and he does church services on on social media and all this other stuff. But we have really great conversations regarding religion. And he actually says to me, he's like, I feel inside my heart like I am breaking my my um I'm breaking my oath to to my God essentially, um, because I'm asking questions about another religion. And it it instills fear into me that I'm asking questions and I because I'm I'm basic essentially taught that I'm not supposed to. Why is Christianity the the fucking religion that tells you you're not allowed to know things? Like that's my biggest problem with it. Above and beyond the fan club, which ruins everything for me, um, because people take all this shit way too far, whether it's Christian, whether it's religion in general, um, even pagans. I I don't even I don't even like the fucking pagans that are, you know, like they have 98 different fucking chains on and they've got it tattooed on their forehead. And I don't like them either. They're just too far. Um, those are just cosplay fuckers. Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely. But why is it why is it that Christianity is the religion that's not allowed to know things? Like I in paganism, above and beyond everything, the teaching is to pursue con a constant pursuit of wisdom throughout your your your your your mortal life and your eternal life. You should always be pursuing wisdom, and to throw a caveat out to an olive branch, if you will, to the Christians, because we've talked a lot of shit that well, they'll register it as talking shit rather than just having a conversation of confusion. Um, our God, our our all father, Odin, was a fucking dickbag. Like he was an asshole to a lot of motherfuckers, you know. So um that's what a video on that. Well, and that's that's and that's one of another interesting aspect is is God is the only one that's perfect. But every other every other religion outside of the Abrahamic religions, the gods had faults. The gods were more more basically in the image of human than human was in the image of God. Yeah, and uh it's it's confusing as fuck. It's just confusing as shit, guys. Like we have to admit that it's confusing, right?

SPEAKER_01 50:42

It it definitely is. I I want to touch on a couple things here, real quick. One of the things that you mentioned about your friend, and I think I know who you're talking about because I think he's a mutual friend. Yes, he is. Um, we're not gonna say his name. No, we're not gonna say his name, but see, here's the thing I was a Christian, I was raised Christian, I was raised Lutheran and all that stuff, and I started questioning it at a very young age, and I didn't understand a lot of different things. And then once I got into adulthood and I really started going down the diving down the hole of paganism, that's when I started asking those questions louder, so to speak. And for for our friend, um, for me personally, that's when it started to change. That was the calling to come home. And that's when I came home. That's when I came back to Norse Veganism, that's when I found my path, and I haven't looked back since. So for him, he shouldn't feel like he's uh betraying his religion or you know, anything like that. It's it's human nature to be curious, it's human nature to ask those questions, but he's got to look at it in a bigger perspective. There's a reason why he's asking these things, yeah, and the reason could be because he's being called back.

SPEAKER_00 52:03

Yeah. Well, I'll tell you this. I I was a convert, okay. So when I was younger, I didn't God wasn't allowed in my house, religion wasn't allowed in my house. My mom and dad were godless when it came to every single God in the fucking history of of the universe, of fates, of the mankind, of everything. They just didn't believe in God. My grandmother was very, very Irish Catholic. Um, not stern Irish Catholic, but the kind of Irish Catholic old woman that would just make you feel about this big for every fucking thing you did. So but she was a wonderful human being. Like she she she didn't walk around preaching, she she knew her religion was for her, for her. She would she would look through that lens at life and and my behavior, the behavior of my family, and and and that set to that that type of thing, but she didn't push it on people. But growing up, I I you know, I was a skinnet. Like fucking, I was I've always the the first day of kindergarten, I got jumped by several fucking black dudes, and I was done at that moment, right? So it's just the life I lived, and you know, I had a young, malleable mind. My dad and my mom, however, were anything but racism, were racist. My grandmother was anything but racist. My dad's best friend, in fact, the two I tell this story all the time. The two best friends my dad had growing up that I remember were black. One's name was Bobby, and he was from the fucking sticks of Arkansas. And the other guy named was his name was George, and his son, black son, George Jr. was we hung out, you know, because we were little kids and and they were my dad, our dads were friends. But though they were anything but racist. But in my fucking quest in of you know, white pride and superiority back then, I'm not promoting it now, um, of course, but back then I I got very into the runes, I got very into Odin, I got very into the pursuit of wisdom because at the same time that I was doing that, I was actually being, I was also being beat, got the fuck beat out of me every single day at my house to the point where I couldn't even go to school a lot of the time. So the pursuit of wisdom is what allowed me to fix the problems that I had that were caused for me by other people. You can't fix other people, but you can fix the way you perceive their treatment of you. And that comes from wisdom. But every time I looked in the fucking good book or I went to my grandma, it was a lot of shit about you're not a lot of shit about how you're not allowed to know things. And that turned me off. So I I practiced paganism for many much of my life, just didn't even realize it, had no idea. So then I I you know I got really bad. I went homeless and and I turned to God and I was like, if you're fucking real, then let's do this. You know, I'm giving myself to you. And I I I went down that path for years, and I and I I just dedicated and devoted myself, my thoughts, my heart to God, the Christian God. And uh the whole time, every time I would say I am a Christian, it felt wrong. Like there was something in me that just didn't I I almost felt gross. Like I always I almost felt like I was deceiving people by saying it. And there was some, there was there's a reason for that. There's a reason that you have a curiety curiosity about other things, other religious paths, other faith-based paths, other paths of spirituality. There's a reason you have curiosity, and it's only by exploring them that you can answer the those curiosities. You can answer it whether like, oh, I was curious because I just didn't understand it. And now that I understand it, I'm devoted even deeper to my Christian God. Or the flip side, maybe you have these curiosities about these other spiritual paths because you're on the wrong one. And your God, your actual gods, not the one you pray to on a regular, is actually calling you home. And he has been or she has been for long, a long fucking time. And that's why you still have, no matter how hard you try to fight the curiosity, you still have it. You still want to get into that religion and dive into it and see what it's all about. You don't necessarily come at it from a perspective of wanting to transition, you just want to know. But that's also why Christianity isn't allowed to know. That's why they took our Hellheim or our hell, which is basically just we're gonna oversimplify this, Dave. Um, it's basic hell for us, for pagans, isn't what hell is for Christians. Hell for pagans is you just died as a normal fucking human being, like you got cancer, run over by a horse and buggies, some shit like that. Then you went to hell, H E L or Hellheim, uh, and you just basically continued on living how you live now. If you went, if you died with an axe in hand and you died in battle, or you died defending other people in a noble spirit, then you went to dying with the gods in the halls of Ahala, or you went to fucking um you went to Freya's Freya's palace or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 57:21

Freya gets the first kick out of battle.

SPEAKER_00 57:23

Right. So that's that's how it worked. So you either went way the fuck up or you just stayed good. But when Christianity came in, they perverted it. Now they're now. If you don't do exactly what I say, live exactly how I say, believe exactly the way I tell you to believe, and pray the way I tell you to pray. And the days I tell you to pray, if you don't do all of that, now it's eternal damnation. It's hellfire and brimstone, it's the torturing of souls for eternity. And that was part of the method of control. They know they knew that nobody back then would bow to this mortal man and give him everything unless there was a threat they couldn't fucking see. That's why it took a thousand years to indoctrinate people enough to believe in the Christian hell rather than the pagan hell. That's it's just a fact.

SPEAKER_01 58:15

Yeah, it 100% fact. And you know, the one thing that a lot of people need to understand as well, and I want to point this out because you know, I think everybody has the wrong idea. Like you think that you know, with Christianity, you know, your God is perfect, everything's perfect, everything's hunky-dory, and all that stuff. The beautiful thing about paganism, especially Norse paganism, is and actually it goes through all paganism, our gods aren't perfect. Because no god, no human, nothing is ever perfect. And you need to get that out of your head because if you know, and I think that's one thing, because you know, you're trying to live to be this perfect thing, you know, by doing this, by doing that, but you know, that's what the you know, organized religion and Christianity has taught you is that you have to be perfect. But guess what? You're never gonna be perfect. If you speed, if you even go over one mile over the speed limit, you're not perfect. If you do something, you write something or talk to somebody in a certain way, you're not perfect.

SPEAKER_00 59:14

You could take that a little deeper, real quick. Let me interject. You could take that driving thing a little deeper. It doesn't even have to go to the speed limit. If you're driving, you're not perfect because you're killing a fucking planet, you're killing God's creation by driving a car.

SPEAKER_01 59:26

Exactly. So with the Norse guy with paganism, our gods aren't perfect. And we know this. We know that Odin was an asshole, we know Loki was an asshole, we know Thor was a drunk asshole a lot of the times, and a lot of their wisdom is based off of you know, Odin's words is based off of what not to do, what to do to make yourself an honorable person, and that's the way we live being honorable, you know, and honoring our ancestors, honoring our gods in a way that is the best fit for us. That there's no book to tell us how to do it. Right, and your book is telling you that you have to do this and you have to be perfect, and you have to do this, or you go to hell for us. It doesn't matter perfect, not perfect, because nobody's ever perfect. We're going to hell, you know. Unless we die in battle, we're going to hell, we're gonna go sit with the goddess hell, and she's gonna take over and take care of us for the remaining parts of our eternity. And she looks after us, so you know, kind of like Jesus does for you Christians up in heaven, you know, he looks after you and all that stuff. That's what the goddess hell does for us. And but it's just more the stories I hear about it, you know, when you read the sagas and stuff like that, when you really get into who the goddess hell is and how she came about, being Loki's daughter and all that stuff, and why Odin let her down there, and that's her realm to rule over, it starts to just start click, and it's just like, wow, that's a place that I'm not afraid of. Yeah, I'm not afraid of going there. But a lot of Christians, when it comes time and they're on their deathbed, they're afraid. And it's like they're afraid of the unknowing because they never tell you what you know, they this they give you this falsehood of what heaven's gonna be like, and you're always questioning, is it really gonna be that? So you have this fear of dying. For me, when I die, I know where I'm going, I know where I'm gonna spend eternity, and I'm okay with that.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:19

Yeah, well, that's part of that's part of the fear indoctrination, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:24

But I will say this to insert myself into Valhalla, I'm gonna throw my bedpan at the nurse and start a fight. Well, that's not an that's not an honorable fight, though. No, doesn't the battle have to be honorable? Well, it's gonna be a male nurse, I'll make it honorable sometime.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:42

But yeah, that's that's the whole indoctrination of fear is is taking away the knowledge, taking away the knowing. If you if you if you're totally comfortable knowing where you're gonna go when you die, you're not so afraid of it. But when you don't know where you're gonna die, where you're gonna go when you die, that is a huge pillar of fear in most people. And that is an effort in control, a method of control, because now you're not gonna you're gonna live differently so that because you're more afraid of dying than you would be if you didn't, if you knew. So exactly, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:20

Go ahead. No, go ahead. I was just gonna say, you know, and for those of you that you know have you know have those those questions that are coming in your head about, and you know, wondering about other, you know, the pagan path and all that stuff, you know, these are things I mean, those questions and those thoughts that go through your head, it starts off very uh lightly, so to speak. You know, it's something that you just kind of push off, it's not very noticeable, but it starts to get louder and louder. Whispers they start out as a whisper, yeah, but then it gets louder, then eventually it's gonna scream at you. And then the moment it screams at you is the moment that it's like they're like they're literally trying to bring you back to where you need to be. But when those when it gets louder, you need to listen and find out what you're supposed to do because that's a path that you're probably supposed to be taking, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:08

Yeah, well, and everybody says trust your gut until your gut leads you to something that's not the Christian God, and that's that's yet another thing that is just a point of confusion. And again, I want to reiterate this isn't shade. Uh, is you know, it may be a little bit here and there, but y'all motherfuckers show throw shade at me all day. Y'all motherfuckers throw shade at Dave all day. I see the comments on fucking all these pagan leaders on the fucking uh, you know, uh uh not leaders, but pagan voices on on the on Instagram and Facebook, and you attack them motherfuckers all day. We're trying to be as fucking civil as we can possibly be, and we're trying to tell you that we're coming from a place of confusion, not contempt. We don't hate you, we just want you to shut the fuck up when it comes to pushing your shit on us. Religion isn't a dick, so try to fucking try not to shove it down everybody's throat, but you seem to be the only ones doing it. They are, they're the only ones doing it. I don't like again. I don't see all the fucking Muslims saying Allah is good, Allah Akbar at the end of all their bugging videos, but every Christian fucking friend I know, 75% of them at bare minimum, uh, and their videos with Christ as king or God is good. Yeah, and you know what? And the worst thing for me is on these videos is a lot of you motherfuckers make a a lot of really fucking good sense. Like it's not even a religious topic, you're just talking and you're very logical, you're very rational, you're very um, you're very likable. Like you're very, very, very likable. And I feel involved in your videos, I feel involved in the conversation you're presenting to the masses, and then fuck at the end. If I I fuck me if I'm wrong, but you say God is good and you lose me. You lose most of your fucking audience. In fact, most of the Christians I know, and this is a this is just a a simple fact. Most of the Christians I know personally are done with the Crisis King shit. We're done, they're we're they're done with the God is good shit. They're done trying to push it on everybody. They're starting to realize that this is a faith that they can hold inside themselves and it is for them. And their their responsibility here on this mortal plane is to not just shove their fucking religious cock down everybody's throat.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:23

Yeah, yeah. And hopefully eventually they can get to start doing that because I mean, I mean, wouldn't it be just kicking the ass if pagans just started going and saying, you know, Odin's the all father on at the end of all of our videos? I mean, that will start to get annoying as well, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:37

Yeah, it would annoy me too. I would just I would just fuck up already. Why'd you put that in there, fucking dick bag? Like if somebody and blah blah blah blah blah. I'm like, oh, this is a great video. He made some really valid points, blah blah blah blah blah. And then it's and then and and don't forget that Odin is the all father. I'm like, God damn, why the fuck did you put that in there? Yeah, yep, exactly. Exactly. Unfollow, we're done.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:02

And for those people out, you know, if they started doing that, I would be like, okay, I'd be like, all right, you must be one of them cosplay motherfuckers that really don't understand the religion.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:09

And it's not or spirituality, however you want to put it. Right. I think that's a lot of Christianity, is is is a lot of cosplay. And the reason I say it's a lot of cosplay is because y'all motherfuckers don't follow the book. You just don't. Like I live in Illinois. One of the biggest fucking rules that I've that I've known about Christianity in the Bible and shit is it says you're not supposed to print plant multiple crops in a single field. But yet in Illinois, we've got we've got giant fields that have corn, Milo, and soy all in the same field. And in the middle of that fucking field is a giant fucking cross. Is this not blasphemy? Is this not just spitting in your God's face? Is this not just you looking up to the heavens and saying, fuck you, I'm gonna do it anyway? I see I see the fucking teachings of the Bible. You know, I've got gay friends and they get attacked all the time. They fucking, in fact, on the Croc show, we talked about fucking, we talked about Anthony and how fucking people message him all the time. You need to repent and pray for your sins and pray for the forgiveness of God for the sinful life you're living as a gay man. And Mike, my thing is you, but you say God is perfect, God created everything and He doesn't make mistakes. He created this man like this, He created him gay because it's not a fucking choice. If you know it's the same principle of all these heterosexuals. You you were eight years old and you got a fucking rock hard boner when you saw the Hooters waitress. That wasn't a choice. You didn't get to make that choice, like, oh, I think I'm gonna like titties for now on. No, you just fucking got a fucking throbbing wiener because you saw what fucking made you what rose your blood pressure, you know? Right, right. That's how they're created. The gay people, men and women, that's how they're fucking created. If they're fucking gay, he might have fucking, you know, that fucking gay man over there, he might have been eight years old and saw some dude walk in with tight pants or something and just fucking started raging in the in his own trousers, not knowing what was going on. But that's how he was programmed.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:13

And here's the thing again, let now I want to revert back to paganism isn't perfect.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:19

No, no religion is perfect except Christianity, because they say it all the time, exactly, even though every fucking thing they do is is cherry-picked. I I like this part of the Bible, so I'm gonna do that. What about premarital sex? That's a great one, and and it pisses people off when I bring it up because everybody does it. But premarital sex is something you're not supposed to be doing, so it's okay because I want it, it's okay because I want to do it, it's okay because I do do it, it's okay because I like this. But if I don't like you, I'm gonna preach to you about how you shouldn't be doing it. It's fucking wild.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:53

A good Christian wouldn't be having premarital sex, they wait till their marriage, you know. But you know, again, now then you've flipped over to paganism. We have none of that.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:02

No, because Odin was slinging dick everywhere he went. Odin, Thor, Loki, all of them. Everybody, if it if it had a beating heart, it it got it, it got a wiener put in it.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:16

It was getting fucked. Yeah, and that's and that's and that's another beautiful thing about paganism. Like, we don't shame anybody.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:25

No, everybody is welcome. That's part of the confusion for me is is for the gay community is why aren't all the gay people pagans? Because there's no confusion here. Christianity, technically, Jesus never said you're not allowed to be gay. The Bible said you're not, it never said you're not allowed to be gay, but most of the Christians, the vast majority of Christians, believe that all over that book and all over the teachings of Jesus, it says you can't be gay. I don't understand why gay people aren't pagans. There's no confusion, there's no shame. We don't fucking care. Honor the gods, honor your ancestors, honor yourself, and move on with your fucking day being a decent person.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:06

And honor that's all honor your family. Yeah, exactly. That's it. That's all you have to do. If you live by that, you're you're a good pagan. You know, I mean, essentially, it's not perfection, it's not about perfection, it's about learning from your trials and tribulations and becoming a better person. Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:26

So all right, let's wrap this shit up. Again, we're not we're not attacking, we're confused, and I I have a feeling, I have a feeling the continu the confusion shall continue in the comments, in the DMs. They will everywhere. I think the confusion's gonna continue because I think the Christians are gonna do what Christians do and just attack the ever-loving fuck out of somebody that has questions about their religion that they can't answer. Sorry, guys, that's the way it works.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:57

Uh and I would agree. And for those of listen to those voices that are getting louder in your head, and eventually you'll find your answers.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:05

Yeah, don't be afraid to explore. Because here's the other thing a lot of gods exist. Yours isn't the only right one, and maybe yours isn't even the real one. Maybe yours doesn't even exist, maybe mine doesn't exist. But the fact is, is that if you live like they do, you know, you you you're gonna live a better life. So explore other religions, explore other religious teachings, spiritual teachings, faith-based fucking avenues, routes, and paths, and you might just find something that works better for you. Because here's the other thing uh everybody wants to say, and this is everybody, everybody wants to say shit, like when we take the constitution, this is a great example, right? Well, the constitution was written 250 fucking years ago when it and in the and the world was completely different, so things have to change. Well, Christianity was wrote written 2,000 years ago, um, while there was already other religions in existence, but um, it was written 2,000 years ago, which was a vastly different world than we are in now. So why doesn't it change? Think about that. All right, let them know where they can find you, Dave.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:12

All right, guys, you can find me. I'm heavily active over on Facebook and on Instagram at the hammer drops. If you want, um, I'm also available on um on TikTok at uh heathen drops over there.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:22

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