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EP.111 Tribalism
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Why has everything become us versus them? Why can't people disagree without treating each other like enemies?
In this episode of SavagelyLOUD, we tackle the growing problem of tribalism—how politics, religion, culture, and social media have pushed people into camps where loyalty often matters more than truth. We discuss why so many people stop listening the moment someone has a different opinion, and how that mindset keeps us divided instead of helping us grow.
We also reflect on Tuesday's episode, "Spiritual Warfare," and the incredible response from our live audience. Going into that discussion, we expected backlash. Instead, we were genuinely surprised by how many people—especially those with different beliefs—were willing to listen, ask thoughtful questions, and have respectful conversations. It was proof that when people choose understanding over assumptions, meaningful dialogue is still possible.
If you're tired of the constant division and believe we have more to gain from conversations than echo chambers, this is an episode you won't want to miss.
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SPEAKER_01Guys, guys, guys, guys, hold up, hold up. You should know. This ain't for everybody. Welcome to Savage Lee Loud. And we've got Laura, my Mrs. Savage, on the comments again. What a wonderful time that's gotta be. I just lost the look in her face. It's great.
SPEAKER_00Last night was pretty crazy, I bet.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yeah. So uh before we get to all that, let's do some housekeeping, guys. If you want to help us out, get the word out, get these truths out, you can follow me at Savagely Loud on Instagram. That is where I'm most active. On that page, you're gonna find two links. One of those links is to the Savagely Loud Podcast page. If you could please follow us over there, that'd be greatly appreciated. Uh, the other link you're gonna find is a simple link tree. Anywhere you want to see my face or hear my rants, you can find it there easy peasy. Outside of that, Facebook X and Rumble at Savagely Loud, YouTube at Savagely Loud Podcast. Please don't forget to like, subscribe, share it with your friends, and have them subscribe too. You can email us in at Savagely Loud Podcast at gmail.com. And you please, please, with all the good stuff on the top, the sugar and the spice and all that stuff. Don't forget to rate and review the show on iTunes and Spotify. Uh, it really does greatly, greatly help increase the reach of the show. So if you could please do that for us, it would be greatly appreciated. Big Dave Anderson, how are we doing today, brother?
SPEAKER_00I'm you know what, I have no complaints. It's Sunday. Well, I guess I have one complaint. Um, I have to go back to work tomorrow. Yeah, it's Sunday. That's the complaint. That's the complaint. The complaint is the weekend was here and it's fucking gone already. It's like, okay, what the fuck happened? Like, where did it go? Right? Let everybody know where they can find you. All right, guys. If you uh want to follow me, um, I'm on social media at the hammer drops. You can find me over on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, um, TikTok, even as well. So go follow me, like, share my content, help me out. Because uh, Facebook is well, they they they're fucking with me. So help me out, share my stuff, go to my page, do all that stuff. Let's let's beat the fuck out of Facebook a little bit.
SPEAKER_01Um, and to the Facebook gods, I don't condone that message. That sounds like violence to me. I am sure he meant it metaphorically, of course. Metaphorically, yes. Uh let's talk what you got allegedly. Allegedly, yes. Everything is allegedly with the air quotes, the little bar better yet, it's for entertainment purposes only. Yes. Well, I say that's in the that's in that's then the disclaimer right at right in the beginning of the show. Everything is for entertainment purposes. We're idiots, don't listen to us. Uh well, that being said, listen while we talk about some tribalism. So in this city in society today, oh you're what's who's going, what's going on here? Dave's all you are you with us?
SPEAKER_00Oh no, man. You're going all fucking kooky.
SPEAKER_01You're going all kooky. Yeah, I'm still here. Can you see me? You're going all kooky. I wasn't cookie, you're kooky.
SPEAKER_00You're going all cookie like my fucking uh crosse eye. Your your Googler eye, yeah, like a ruler eye, man. How's the weather to the west, brother? The weather to the actually, it's it's pretty good. It looks a little cloudy and a little bit sunny over that way, but the weather over this side is pretty good too, because I can do it both eyes. I'm talented.
SPEAKER_01Like a chameleon. Fucking just register both angles. You can't get anything past me. Hello, hello, hello. Um, yeah, so let's talk about some tribalism because we saw tribalism break down yesterday, but up until yesterday, we saw tribalism becoming stronger and stronger and stronger. Now, if you're not quite sure what I meant, what I mean by tribalism, people in general, if you're a human being, you are a tribal person, you are a tribal being on this planet, meaning you are more comfortable with people that think like you, talk like you, work like you, that kind of shit. Everybody knows the term find your vibe, find your tribe and your vibe with your tribe, or find your tribe and vibe, whatever. Well, that's what we all tend to do. And lately, the the the big tribal divisions have been religion and color. Well, color is gonna be is always, I think, gonna always be a thing because there's always going to be a dividing line there. But when it comes to religion, last night was one of the most epic shows I've ever been a part of. It was absolutely amazing. And what was so amazing about it was the people. Well, well, it wasn't like us on the show. I mean, that was great, and everybody did fantastic, but the people watching the show and engaging with the show, that's what made it amazing because we got to watch it in real time because you know, just having the tribalism fall apart and have people start being open-minded and want to learn stuff. So, up until last night, the religious, the religious divide was just getting thicker and thicker and thicker and thicker, almost to a point of intolerability. Like you couldn't even handle it anymore. Because anytime you mentioned anything about paganism, Satanism, Christianity, Catholicism, being a Lutheran, a Protestant, a Methodist, anytime you mention any sort of sect of any religion, um, thank you very much. But anytime you you mentioned any sort of sect of religion, all of a sudden everybody just anchored into their ideas, 10 toes down into concrete blocks. We're not listening. Fuck you, you're coming after us. But last night we saw a massive amount of people attend this live, and a massive amount of people actually accept that other people can have other beliefs, and we can get along.
SPEAKER_00I know, right? I was blown away. I mean, especially, I mean, we had a lot of you know, people of different faiths that came into the show, you know, through the chat and stuff like that. And everybody was just like, we had a couple that were, you know, you have those rogues, yeah, the zealots, yeah. You're always gonna have that, but for the most part, like everybody was just so like accepting of that whole everything that we were talking about last night. I was blown away. I wasn't expecting that. I'm gonna be honest, I was expecting for it to be like you know, people trying to throw hands, you know, essentially. Yeah, that's what I thought yesterday was gonna be, but it you all surprised me, and I guess there's maybe should be a little bit more faith in humanity.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and that the fucking people that attended this show last night, they instilled a great deal more of more faith in humanity in my heart because it just they they were the ones that showed that you can listen, you can shut your fucking mouth, listen, have your questions, ask your questions, and do it all civilly, do it all with a with a with a with a a genuine curiosity as to what your fellow man believes, thinks, feels, does, whatever. And you could actually take an interest in something. The people showed that you can actually be interested in something that somebody else believes in. And a lot of the comments uh that I've you know that I saw a lot of the comments that came in, a lot of the DMs. I got dude, I got dozens of DMs, dozens of DMs. Um, and and it it's wild because I was expecting, you know, because we're in a live show, a lot of people will kind of pull back. Happy Sunday, Maddie. Um thank you everybody for being here tonight, guys. Um, but during live shows, people have a more tendency, they have a deeper tendency to pull back on the rhetoric. They have a they don't want to attack, especially on on this show, because I will shred a motherfucker if I know if if if I know the intent in which uh they are they are they're coming through with. But in the but the DMs are a different story. The DMs is usually where the assholes live. The DMs is where where the total fucking pricks, the total wastes of flesh and oxygen, that's where they live. So I've been getting I've been in my DMs, and there's just dozens of people that are are super ex are they're just stoked about last night's show because of how we did it, you know. And how many, how many comments did we even see during the show? Like I thought you were, I thought you were coming, you know, this show was all about to attack Christians, and that's not at all what it was. I thought you were coming here to try to convert everybody, you know, and that's not at all what it was. And I appreciate that. And you know, and it was it was absolutely a fucking amazing show, one of the best shows I've ever been on, dude. Ever been on.
SPEAKER_00I would have to agree. I think last night was probably one of the best live shows that I've had the the privilege of being on, especially with all with everybody that showed up last night with the questions. I mean, we had I mean, we even had Christians ask questions even about Norse paganism, and it wasn't like you know, we'd answer them, and it was like, you know, usually I'm so used to having that fight back, you know, like oh, you know, this, that, and the other. But it was like they we answered the question, and they were like, Oh, okay, I didn't realize that type of stuff. You know, I mean, we had over a thousand comments.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, somebody just said it. Yep, and and let me break you off real quick, right there. There was over a thousand comments, and Laura kept up with that. Like, congratulations, babe.
SPEAKER_00You killed it. That that would have that's all thank you. I mean, they were just flying it. I mean, I know there were some comments I know we didn't get to last night, and I know I want to touch on this. I know there was quite a few people that said we need to do this every week.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, do it. There was a lot, yep, there's it, they're in the DMs too. When is the next one? When is the next one? There was a couple of people in during the show wanted us to schedule it on the show, the next one. Yeah, we got a plan for this stuff, people, you know, right, right. We we gotta make it special for y'all, you know. We don't just want to be like boom, right? But yeah, last night was fantastic, and and I and the best thing about it was it showed that we can unite. We can. So anybody out here that's saying, and I used to be one of these guys, you you don't understand for people that don't know my history or haven't been watching my content for a while, I'm 100% transparent about everything I've ever done. I used to be a hate monger, neo-Nazi. I used to be a click leader in the fucking skinheads. I used to be that guy. And I thought I I actually taught people that you can't break the tribes. Like it's just something in us that you can't break. And the people on the show last night proved me wrong from 25, 30, 30 years ago. They proved they're they proved everybody on the internet wrong that says, you know, people of different faiths can't get along. Like these motherfuckers rocked it like hard. And like I like I said earlier, it gave me more faith in humanity. You know, like I don't have to read the hopelessly human. Speaking of, if you guys listen to the show on Spotify, the pre-recorded shows, I do a segment called Hopelessly Human and uh surprise Dave. We're gonna surprise Dave on this one too. Um, we're gonna, I think I'm gonna be pulling a plug on that. So what? Yeah, because uh so for a hundred and what 20 episodes now, yeah. I've I've I've done I've done a segment to end every single pre-recorded show called Hopelessly Human, and it's just a a quick story of somebody being really awesome to somebody else. But on the on the topic of humanity, which is why I'm bringing this up, um, it's getting increasingly difficult to find short stories of people being awesome to people. It's now now we're getting into like, oh, they the car ahead of me bought me a coffee and I I smiled the rest of the day. That's not doing something amazing. Yes, it's a nice gesture, but congratulations, you spent four bucks to make somebody smile.
SPEAKER_00Oh my god, get him as halo. Right. Well, now let me ask you this that the person in front of you bought you the coffee. Now, did you buy the coffee for the person behind you? Of course. Usually that's how that shit works, but usually people don't usually they don't.
SPEAKER_01Of course, they didn't. Yeah, but they but these stories now that now, in order to get any meat to a topic of somebody just being great to somebody for no reason, or just because somebody needed somebody to be great to them, the fucking stories are just nine miles long, they're two and three page essays, and we can't read that on the show. So we're probably gonna be pulling a plug on that here, uh, pretty soon. So it's just the way it is.
SPEAKER_00Well, I mean, if we do all do our shows every week live, I mean it'd be kind of hard to do it.
SPEAKER_01That's the that's the other thing, is that uh we might we may just be moving to live shows and posting those because live shows are fun, man. Live shows are super fun.
SPEAKER_00Can I just throw that out there without being told not to throw that out there? No, no, good now.
SPEAKER_01Stop giving up stop giving all the secrets I didn't let you in on, Dave. What the fuck? I'm gonna give away everything. You can't stop me. Yeah, everybody, but like yeah, so hopelessly humans probably gonna exit stage left, and uh, we may just be moving to live shows. I like live shows.
SPEAKER_00I like I wish we had like one of those buttons with the sound with like the funeral thing, like to like you know, give it a proper send-off, I guess. You know, the bagpipes or something. I'll remember that the next time. Maybe we'll have to do this, re-announce it next week. I'll put the bagpipes on and we'll we'll play the bagpipes for it for a farewell. There you go. That's why you watch us live.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, there's your bagpipes, brother.
SPEAKER_00I got a soundboard, I got a pod track P8, I got all sorts of stuff on here. Yeah, I got a road. I got a road, I got a I got a soundboard too, I just don't have it loaded.
SPEAKER_01Only guy on planet spends a thousand dollars on a soundboard and doesn't put any sounds in it.
SPEAKER_00You know, and I have so many things I can put in there, and it's just like uh I just haven't had the fucking time. What do you want?
SPEAKER_01If you're looking for a decent soundboard, guys, and you don't have a huge budget, the pod track P8 is a great soundboard, it's been really good to me. There's a couple of things that I don't like, but there's also a couple of things that I don't like about the Rodcaster either. So it's kind of a give and take. And the podcast the pod track P8 is is half the price, if that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, the I mean the RogueCaster Pro, I mean, it's a great board. Um, it has a lot of options, a lot of bells and whistles. What's going on, people? What's going on, people? Um, you know, I it was I was tossed up between the podcaster and this one, and I ended up going with this one because with the updates and all that shit, that it comes in regularly and all that. That's why I went with this one.
SPEAKER_01Well, you're an attack fucking nerd too, so you know. I'm like uh just like let's let's caveman this shit. Like my whole desk looks like Fred Flintstone built it just wouldn't just good enough to get some shit done.
SPEAKER_00Well, you remember the one time you came over here and you saw how I had my shit set up and the little fucking table. Now I actually got a nice fucking desk and all that shit. I got it, I got a nice desk.
SPEAKER_01My problem with my desk is it looks like it's from 1994, like maybe '93, even. And I just don't like orange wood. Like, but everything is built in the 90s is fucking orange wood.
SPEAKER_00Well, your hairdo looks like it was built in the 90s.
SPEAKER_01My hairdo was built by stress by bick razors. Oh, yeah. So, but last back to the tribalism thing and these all this orange wood. I don't want to be paying attention to this. Uh, the tribalism thing, it you everybody proved last night that it can happen. Yeah, so now that we know that it can happen, we need to make it happen on a large scale, which means you know, it's it's more than just doing a show once a week, it's more than just doing a video now and then. It's actually living life that way. You know, when you're when you're online, and especially because I I mean, we all understand that a vast majority of our lives nowadays are lived online. So when you're online and you know, up until yesterday, you you could feel if you're honest with yourself and you saw something that went against your particular path of faith, you felt that some type of wave thing pulling at the bottom of your fucking butt every time you saw it. I think it's a good idea. I think it's a it's a it's safe to say that we have learned now that we can let that go. We can accept other people's positions and uh strip it and redo it. I've yeah, uh trust me, uh so many times, but uh but uh yeah, it's it we need to live that way so that we can come you know convey that message to other people, and it's not on a faith base. So, you know, a lot of the times we're you know it you people will see somebody say something about religion, you know, of an opposing religion, and then it's they feel like it's up to them to wake that person up and bring them into their religion. No, no, no, no, no. Let's let's we we've proven we can forego that now. So now we're just gonna look at things like hey, would you like to have a good conversation? I'd like to, you know, and a great way to do that is say, I'd like to learn more about what you're thinking and how your path of faith. Um, if you'd be willing to listen, if or if I you know, if I'm willing to listen to you, maybe you'd be willing to listen to me. And that's how conversations start.
SPEAKER_00Right. I mean, well, and that's what we need to do. I mean, uh, everything you just said, I mean, we need those conversations to be able to actually unite, essentially, you know, without those conversations, and you know, yeah, we're not all gonna agree. We're all gonna you're we're gonna have disagreements on why, but uh that's where you stop it, and you leave the hate at the door, you you know, and that's the problem is usually it's there's that disagreement, and then all of a sudden everybody's throwing hate at each other. We gotta stop doing that.
SPEAKER_01I have always accepted other people's beliefs, whether I agree with them or not. Um, I am I in fact, I even accept other people's beliefs when they are absolutely absurd to me. The only time I don't accept other people's beliefs is that is when they use them to attack me. If you use your beliefs to attack me, which people largely do, I will fucking decimate everything about you, what you believe. I will decimate it to the point where you're seriously sitting in the kitchen contemplating getting your feet swinging. I don't tolerate people using religion and faith to attack other people. And that's always been my biggest problem with the modern Christian, with the the one that everybody calls fake Christians, because they're ruining it for the good ones. They're the ones that are all over the internet telling people that they're fucking, they're they're devil worshipers and pedophiles if they don't believe in the Christian God. Those are the kind of people I don't accept. I don't accept their belief, I don't accept their rhetoric, and I don't even accept their existence. I don't fucking I will attack you to the point where I you seriously contemplate your own existence and perhaps foregoing it.
SPEAKER_00Go ahead, Dave. No, I was gonna say, no, and I agree because you know, and it's funny because I'll I've had some of those come into my DMs or my you know comment section, and then all of a sudden they're just they're bringing up Islam. It's like um, I'm Norse pagan, I'm not a Muslim or anything like that. Like, what do you even know what the fuck you're talking about? Right, and nine times out of ten, they really don't. They just it's their condition and programmed to do these things all the time. It's all about that tribalism.
SPEAKER_01You know, they're part of this tribe, so they want to just like but here's the and and and here's the let me offer the flip side of that because when it comes to Norse pagans, we're easy as a as a uh culture, uh as a faith path, um, we're easy to not take seriously because every fucking dickbag on the internet goes out and you know spends a couple bucks on a fucking hammer, puts it around their neck to feel like a badass, knowing it's knowing nothing about it. And then they get pushed on, they get questioned about it, and then they're like, oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm actually Christian. I just like the hammer. So you're then spitting in the face of everybody that wears the hammer as Christians, real ones, wear the crucifix. So I get it, I get where where it's hard to take Norse pagans seriously in this day and age because most of the ones you run into on the internet are fake as fuck. Just like we've got the same problem the Christians do. There's real ones and there's bullshit ass fake ones that everybody fucking hates. And it is up to us, you know. Like I always say, you know, Christians got to get a hold of the fake ones, either convert them to a real one or convert them out of your club so that they can go ruin somebody else's club for them. We've got to do the same shit. We've got like every time I see a fucking Mjolnir being worn online, I ask them, Oh, I see your fucking, I see your Mjolnir. Can you tell me about it? And they're like, Oh, it's fucking badass, ain't it? And I'm like, wrong answer, motherfucker.
SPEAKER_00That's what they that's a ser that's the answer to give you. Like it's oh yeah, I've I've I've I've heard it several times. Lots. So yeah, I I love it. I see that I see a mulnir around somebody's neck. I I'll go up to go skull. And they just kind of look at me like, huh? What are you talking about? It's like it's like, what the fuck? Why are you wearing this necklace? Like you have no idea what it means, what it represents.
SPEAKER_01So is Christianity, Danny. I'm gonna I'm gonna give you that one. Yeah. I don't I you know, and that's the other thing. I don't I just don't believe in unforgiven sins. Like I I don't I don't really you know, it's I mean it's Murder, rape, that kind of shit, but uh, you know, something you don't make a choice over. It's like, it's like having a little dick. You know, that's gonna be an unforgivable sin. Like, you ain't got no fucking choice about it. Like, oh, sorry, I can't let you into heaven. You're not hung like a fucking donkey. It's such it's so stupid. You're not telling us something, are you? That's why I went to paganism, because I can't get into heaven.
SPEAKER_00Bravo, bravo. Well, the I think the I think one of our one of the major problems with with pagans is that we have a lot of cosplayers. We have a lot of people that want to dress up and play the make-believe because they watched Hollywood's rendition of what Vikings or Norse paganisms are, what Norse pagans are. If you watch the TV show Vikings, Valhalla, Vikings, whatever, uh you know, you you see what you see, but it's it's Hollywood's version of it. And that's what people get in their heads, like, oh, I want to get that fucking hammer, and that's why they do it. You know, not knowing that you have to do certain things.
SPEAKER_01Yes, you do, guaranteed, Leslie. You do.
SPEAKER_00You and you can't you can't buy it yourself, you have to be gifted it, and you have to before you're gifted it, it has to go through a certain hash. Exactly.
SPEAKER_01Speaking of which, I got a certain special somebody's um meal near in the mail the other day. Uh-oh. So we're gonna be a we're gonna do a hallowing ritual, uh the hallowing ritual, and we're going to do everything we need to do so that it is nice and sacred and hallowed and all that good stuff for him. And and uh when I see him in Florida, I'm gonna deliver it in person.
SPEAKER_00Very nice, very nice. I'm sure I'm sure he will love it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And that's the thing that a lot of people don't understand is that you know, is everything is energy, right? So even the energy you put into something is silly as is is something as uh you know inconsequential and silly as some people might say as a necklace. If you wear that necklace with the proper energy, that amplifies that energy. So if you're if you're wearing a hammer, you're wearing a mulnir, um, and you wear it with the wrong energy, you're a cosplayer. You you you're you're actually pissing in the face of the gods, and they're not gonna be happy about it. Now, likewise with the crucifix, with the cross. If you put on a cross just because you want to look like a Christian, or you just don't want to get questioned about something, or you want to fit some sort of narrative, uh, heaven fucking help you, motherfucker, because I don't think Jesus is gonna like that shit. I really just I I just don't think I think he ain't gonna like it to the point where you're gonna have to be fucking, you gotta, you're gonna you're gonna be earning some some some really negative shit in your life.
SPEAKER_00You know what I mean? Tammy, how do you earn the hammer? Uh Tammy, it there you don't earn a hammer. Uh it is gifted to you when when you start the process, when you start going down that path. Um, eventually it's somebody's going to gift that to you that's maybe walking you down that path or showing you that path, whatever, you'll eventually be gifted one. It it the hammer always has to be gifted. You can't just go out and buy it just because you think it looks cool. To have any meaning behind it, like we've been talking about, it has to go through a ritual, it has to, you know, have intentions put into it, and then you gift it to that person.
SPEAKER_01Well, and and here's the other thing is is like if you live alone, you don't have any friends, there are there is a way you can get your own, but it it requires a like it you gotta double the service to it, you know what I mean? Yeah, like you've really got to put into it. Because I looked into that because I have a friend um that that is really looking down this way, and he doesn't have any friends. I I've got an acquaintance, let me say. And uh not somebody that I would necessarily necessarily want to spend money on and and and do all this kind of stuff for. Um, but he was he was asking, what's up, what's up, what's up, Huck? Um he was he was asking uh if if he could just get one. And I I kind of ran him through the process and and whatnot. So you can, but man, when it just makes it so much more powerful, you know, to to as an amplifier of energy in both outwardly and inwardly, if if it's gifted to you. Yes.
SPEAKER_00That's my dog. It just means more though. When it when it's gifted to you, it means a hell of a lot more. When you get when you get it, it just I don't know. When I got mine, when it was gifted to me, I it just felt like okay, I've I'm finally here, type thing. You know, I could have gone out and bought it myself and you know, right started to do the understanding of the path and all that stuff. So if I was something came up to me, because you, I mean, people do come up, they see it, they're gonna question you and all that stuff and see what you know. You know, it's just like with anything else. And nine times out of ten, if they ask you something, you may, you know, and it depends on how you answer. If you try to bullshit them, they're gonna know and they're gonna be like, Well, okay, well, why the fuck are you wearing it? Then then that's another issue. We have cosplayers.
SPEAKER_01So somebody just asked, Do uh do women, Vanessa just asked, do women wear a hammer, or would she have a different sign of faith? Women can absolutely wear hammers. I have, in my experience, noticed that women typically choose the Ouroboros. Um, that's usually what I see women wearing is the Ouroboros or some sort of dream catcher type thing. Um, the if you're not familiar with what the Ouroboros is, it's it's the snake that eats its tail. And the whole idea behind that is it's it's a never-ending cycle. So as it eats, it grows, but it's eating itself, so it just kind of goes around in a circle. It's um it's what the Yormangonder is. The uh world train are and I wear a bracelet of the Yarming Gonder, the silver thing right there. Yeah, yeah. So but that's that's typically what I see women wearing is the Oreboras. Yeah, Laura's got one. Hold that up again there, babe.
SPEAKER_00Okay, yeah. I've seen plenty of women wear the molnir as well. Yep. Um, so I mean it's I mean, anybody can wear the mulnir.
SPEAKER_01I mean, anybody can wear the mulnir. It's just for for women, it tends to be a little bit more, a little bit too masculine for them, they say, is when I've talked to them.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, well, I mean, that's I mean, yeah, when you get the big ones, like how what we wear. I mean, they have smaller ones like this one never leaves my neck, shit tight, you know, shit like that.
SPEAKER_01So I'm not that dude. I'm not that dude. Like, I never take this off, or I never take that off. I never I never got into that.
SPEAKER_00Like uh this one just never this one hangs on a hook up uh right above me in my bed, and then this one never leaves my neck.
SPEAKER_01And uh, this one sits right next to me on my in a in a pad. I got a like a jewelry box that I made specifically for all my my Norse jewelry. Um, because that's all I wear is Norse jewelry. So, you know. Uh you know, do we want to I somebody had asked the other day um what they are? So this is one of them. You can uh you're probably not gonna be able to be able to see that. We'll get into I'll post pictures one day, but uh of of all my jewelry and what it is and what it means. But uh back to the topic, guys. This is a like last night was awesome because we got so many fucking people that proved so many fucking people wrong. Like, you know, there was people saying, oh, they're gonna fucking they're gonna chew you up and spit you out, they're gonna hate you, they're gonna come in, guns ablaze, and the Christians are gonna just fucking burn it all down, and they didn't. They didn't. They didn't. In fact, they supported like damn near every minute of it.
SPEAKER_00Oh, hold on. We have a pagan paganism. Is it run to sage your home for you? But no, it's not. Um sage is part of uh you know a part of paganism. We do eye clear space energy with sage and Palo Santo and Florida water in my house all the time. Yeah. Sorry, I'm trying, I'm just trying to answer some of these questions every time. Yeah, no, no, no. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Um there wasn't another one that was up here. Um okay, I can't find it anymore. What's happening, badass? I couldn't find the question, so let's get it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I was waiting for you. But uh, you know, we we always prove that's a fruitless effort to wait for day. No, it's a fruitless effort. What just because I move slow and I never get to the point, I move like a tortoise, but I'm a ninja turtle. All right, are you a broken ninja turtle? Like a ninja turtle that got that swallowed an M80 back in the day? Yeah, you know.
SPEAKER_00And I tried to poop it out and I don't have it no more. So hey.
SPEAKER_01Wow, you're pooping turtle shells. All right, now, anyway. So tribalism, anyway. Uh I think this is uh I can't wait. Uh what journey is uh what you uh Taz, what journey are you doing? I'm curious. I just saw it in the comments here. Um I kind of bounced between the camera and the screen, so I don't always see the comments. Um, but I I'm I'm curious, Taz, on what you're what what journey you're you're going in. Um, but yeah, the tribalism thing we proved, not we as on the show, but you as in the people that watch the show, y'all proved that tribalism doesn't always take the front seat. So let's live life like that. Let's continue going on about life and living that way. Instead of falling back into our tribalistic pockets of people, let's let's try to fucking practice some more acceptance, and which I've got to do too. I'm not just sitting up here preaching from the fucking from the pedestal. You know, I've got to I've got to practice some more acceptance too. Um, I I won't practice any acceptance on anybody that uses their religion, no matter what it is, to attack other people. Um, that's why I'm just never gonna accept uh Islam as a whole, because you know if you read the book, it's disgusting. And more people practice what's in the book than than don't. So, but I do know some great Muslims, and we have these conversations all the time. And uh the the one he's like, Man, I really wish you'd leave our name out of your mouth. I'm like, Well, yeah, I'd I'd I really wish you'd leave your dick out of kids too. But one thing doesn't happen, the other thing ain't gonna happen.
SPEAKER_00Well, and the problem with that is it's the extremists on either side. I mean, every every religion, you know, as far as tribalism, I mean, this includes that, there's extremists, and they take it to the to that level. Like, I know Muslims too that are really cool motherfuckers, you know, that hey, you know, good people, but uh, do I believe in that religion? No, I don't. I bec precisely because of what it stands for, you know, it's just but it's that it's those extreme people, you know, and we see it all the fucking time, unfortunately. That's what we need to get rid of.
SPEAKER_01Well, I think I think we should break down this extreme thing because um it seems to be that uh when people use the term extremist, they uh uh start with the way of fire and ice by Ryan Smith, then move to the Havamal, then move to the poetic edda, and then move to the prose edda in that order, and that'll give you that'll give you every single fucking, yeah, buddy. That'll give you every single thing you know uh you need to know, and then you can you can venture off from there with this new uh basis of knowledge.
SPEAKER_00Now, if if you want to learn about some of the mythology behind it, another great book is Neil uh Gaiman's Norse mythology. It has a lot of the other stories in there as well. Um, it's actually pretty entertaining, even you know, even though it's not you know it's not 100% probably accurate, I don't think, but it is an entertaining book. I mean, it it gives you an insight of some of the stories and breaks it down a little bit. So I would check that out as well.
SPEAKER_01I would, yeah, I would check that out. Go to the entertaining books after you get through the ones that I uh gave you because so the the way of fire and ice is it's like I said, it's an all-encompassing introduction to Norse paganism on a palatable level. It gives you enough information where you can actually make a decision to see if this is the path for you, but it doesn't give you so much information that you can't digest it, you get overwhelmed and throw the book in the corner. Then if when you know you go to the Havamall and then the the the the Eddas and you you'll be good after you get through all of those, which is it's a pretty quick read. I'm not gonna lie to you, they're pretty quick reads. Um, you you will you will then know which direction you want to move into. You you know, like what kind of reading, what kind of uh of literature you're getting into.
SPEAKER_00What chance say and for some reason you don't, you know, you may not have time to read a book because you drive so much. They have a lot of these books on Audible on Amazon, so you can actually listen to them as you're going. So I mean that's another great option as well. Right.
SPEAKER_01Uh chance said both can be true. Everyone shouldn't agree with everything. Then they then the beauty of diversity would be lost. Um, that is that's that is a fact, brother. I I chance nailed it really good there. Um, and that's that's also why uh we get in so many arguments in this modern society about you know, like culture mixing and race mixing and and gender, what this gender becoming that gender, and this gender becoming that gender, and everything just becoming this gigantic stirred pot of a mess. We lose the beauty of all of the cultures as we breed cultures off of the planet, you know what I mean? So, like I know a lot of mixed kids, and they're they're mixed all the way across the board. It doesn't matter, it's like black and white and black and Asian, Asian and Mexican. Like, I know all sorts. I know a I know a Polarican, he's dead now um because he fucked up every bit of his life and decided to end it. But uh, we call him the Polarican because his dad's like full Polish and his mom's full Puerto Rican. So, but in all of these kids on that I'm friends with and all these adults, well, these adults now um that I'm friends with, I I see a lot of their their both their um what's the word I'm looking for? What's the word I'm looking for? Um the cultures that you know built them, I see that disappear in them, right? Okay, so the Polarican, he didn't so he didn't celebrate anything polar Puerto Rican, and he didn't celebrate anything Polish. He just like it's just wasn't a thing to him, you know. So we see we saw two beautiful cultures because I know people like to make jokes about Poles, but Polish people, but um it's a beautiful culture, it's a beautiful country, they're very proud people, like one of the proudest people you've ever met in your life, but not to a point where they're just like but his guns blazing everybody. But uh uh hey, hey, hey, and uh and Puerto Rico is a great culture, it's a fantastic culture, it's the like that salt of the earth type culture. And I loved his mom, like his dad was a total piece of shit. He cheated on his mom all the time, all that everything. But um, his mom was was was awesome. She just had a beautiful soul. But this goes for all of the people that I know that are mixed, and every last one of them, they they lose the cultures that made them. And some of them, like Jason Momoa, Jason Momoa is half white and half Hawaiian, half Polynesian or whatever, but he doesn't ever talk about being white. That like so you've lost one and dove into the other. So we've we've lost, you know, he's lost part of himself in that. You know, I get it. He looks Polynesian. I've I've watched all the interviews because I I love the dude personally. I love Jason Momoa. I love the fact that he fucking he has Hell's Angels, actual Hell's Angels, fucking, you know, be his bodyguards. He's actually in the biker uh community. Uh he's he's in an MC. Uh, I love the dude, and he's a fantastic actor. He is a hired part. If you need a real serious role, he's probably not the guy that do it. Like, he's kind of like a Vin Diesel, like it's Vin Diesel in this. Well, that's Jason Mamoa in this. Whereas where like Mel Gibson and John Travolta could and Denzel Washington, they could play any part you gave them. Jason Momoa plays Jason Momoa playing something else, you know.
SPEAKER_00So what's great about Jason Momoa, though, I mean, now that I just want to touch on it, is like when the that movie The Bikers came out, he literally rode his pan panhead to the fucking opening over in LA. You know, it's just like the guy is fucking legit. He's he's I hands down, man. I gotta get back that guy.
SPEAKER_01And he, you know what, and I love the uh I love the old the old bikes and stuff, but um I mean he does like some dog shit ass motorcycles, pan heads and shovel heads, and cool history, cool history, but dude, those those are fucking bar hoppers, you know. You don't you don't ride bikes like that on long distances. That would just be I'm actually looking back into the comments right now. Did I I asked Taz what journey he was on? Did we did I miss that? Do you guys know? I didn't see that. I probably didn't. Taz, feel free to message me um if you if you want to talk about whatever path you're on. I'd like to get to know you anyway, since so many people of that I care about care about you. So let's uh let's open up that line of communication. Uh let me scroll back down here to the bottom. There it is. Um, yeah, but uh that's that's the problem is you lose it. And and and that's also we do see that in religion. Like I think there's I think there's beauty in every religion. Like, okay, so even even Islam, you know, their structures, their architecture, the way they kind of um built their their their theology, uh is is there's some there is some beautiful aspects there. Christians, you know, Christian architects. Some of these churches are fucking mind-blowing. Oh my god, like bro, like uh who Britney Barbieri. If you're not following her, go follow Brittany Barbieri. That's Troy's little sister. Um, she's awesome. She and she does, she just she just does and knows so much. She's absolutely fucking killer. Go follow her. Um, go follow Tammy Time. That's her too. It's Tammy Time. Yeah, I love it. It's Tammy Time. Like it's fucking her and Brad. But uh uh, you know, she knows so much, and she just she just went to Scotland. She did a tour of all the castles and cathedrals and stuff like this, and I was just like watching, mind you, I know a lot of people think that I hate Christians and I hate everything about Christianity. No, I just hate the ones like I told you earlier, the fake ones that want to use it to abuse other people. Um, I was watching her her content as she was posting and posting, posting, and I was just in awe, just absolutely in awe, because I don't I don't know that uh that anybody does religious architecture quite like quite like the Christians do. You know, Christians, Catholics, I put you all in the same bucket.
SPEAKER_00You all believe in Jesus. I'll tell you what, between Chicago and Milwaukee, I mean, you can just I mean, for me, every day when I'm in Milwaukee, I go I drive by some pretty big churches and I just like look at that architecture because I can see it miles away. You know, you can see the bell tower and all that. It's it's mind-blowing beautifully, beautiful, you know what I'm saying? It's just like wow, you know, it's I and I I have an appreciation for that, you know. I like like you, Cliff, I've never once said I hate Christians, and I've always said that I would stand beside Christian my Christian brothers and sisters. I've said it since day one. It's but like you said, it's the ones that want to use it to attack. Those are the ones that we all have a problem with, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01And that's but those are the ones that speak the loudest, and that's the problem with the internet is the squeakiest wheel gets the most crease, you know. The the whole internet is built to divide everybody and keep you that way, so that's why they amplify the shittiest voices, and they they they you know they trample all over the fucking the ones that are actually speaking, some sort of uh sense, logic, rationale, anything, unity, anything.
SPEAKER_00Uh you know, actually a buddy of mine uh he he popped up in here, uh Lucian.
SPEAKER_01Um yeah, I saw he said he fucking he busted out the layoc. Yeah, yeah, he busted.
SPEAKER_00Well, he spelled it loach, but yeah, they always do that. But he he to me, he's like my Athistan. You know, if you look at Athistan or whatever, how you pronounce it. Afghanistan? No, Athistan, the guy from the Vikings show that Ragnar Lov brought you. I've never watched TV, I've never seen that shit. Okay, Athistan. He's the he was a Christian that came over that converted to paganism. Well, he was the guy that I I you know, me and him had really deep conversations on religion. He would ask, we would talk about paganism, and I would ask him questions about being Catholic. You know, great dude. So I mean, they're there, but you know, it's just like why can't everybody just be like that for fucking sakes?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, well, and you know, here the I think a lot of the the there is an allure to um to Catholicism and Christianity just because it's like um I'm a nerd, guys, so forgive me. Uh I play World of Warcraft. So when you get wait, yeah, fuck you, dickbag. I can say that to you. You're not a nice person. You like you like tiny little dogs. I we can't be friends anymore. You like tiny little dogs that bark a lot.
SPEAKER_00And we're still friends in cats.
SPEAKER_01Cats are alpha predators. What the fuck are you talking about? My cats will fuck your dogs all to pieces. Cage match. Go finish him. Oh, we're gonna put trucks. I'll leave Bruce at home. I'll bring truck stop. That bitch was feral for like a year or two raising kittens in a truck stop bathroom. That's why that's how I got her from Save a Pat. I got the whole story on it. Yeah, that's that's why you named her truck stop. No, I didn't name her, she came that way. It was just so okay, I'll tell you the story between behind truck stops. So I woke up and I was doing what I thought was pissing blood, right? Lots of it. So I was like, well, this is freaking me out. So we ended up at the hospital and we found out it was some R word. It's pretty per it's actually pretty normal. Ruhid and something. Um, and it's basically when stress causes your inner bladder lining to shed, and it it looks, it looks like um, it looks like coke syrup. It kind of looks like coke syrup, but diluted and it makes it look like blood. Um, well, and so after all that got fixed up and whatever, I looked at Laura and I was like, Well, I almost died today. Let's go save a life. And we went over to fucking we went over to save a pet. And I was like picking out cats, you know, and I was like, all right, this one looks cool. Everyone that I wanted, see, I really wanted a black and white one. I really wanted that splotchy black and white cat. I love calicos. Calicos are actually my favorite, but they're fucking pricks, every last one of them. So I was like, I want a black and white one. Well, all the black and white ones they had had these pretty red collars on it. Well, if you don't know Save a Pet, you know, you don't understand that the red collar is, I get overstimulated very quickly and they claw your eyes out. Well, I didn't want one like that. So then this other cat came walking up to me and she was playful, she was nice, she was cute as a button. And uh the lady walked up and she's like, Oh, you guys are making friends. And I was like, Yeah, you know, this one's pretty cool. And uh she's like, Well, her name is Truck Stop, and I was like, sold fucking done right then and there. Like, I I've been I've been referred to as tall, dark, and tow truck millions of times. Okay, so me being tall, dark, and tow truck, I I I need the cat name truck stop.
SPEAKER_00Okay, I can see that. I can see that now that you mentioned that. Now I can actually see that. Now I'll never unsee that. Tall, dark, and tow truck, baby. Interesting. Let's do that now. Thanks, bud. I appreciate that.
SPEAKER_01Well, at least you're only looking at it with one eye, but uh burn wow. I like the way you can switch your focus, though. I've never seen anybody could do that. I think that's awesome.
SPEAKER_00That's that's my condition. So it's like I can focus out of one eye and I see perfectly fine. Um, except up close, like I need them for uh reading and shit. But then I can switch the other eye and the other one goes. So it's it's really fucking weird. That works my whole year, my whole life.
SPEAKER_01That's wild.
SPEAKER_00Your visions on like rotation, like ah, it's my turn. I got this one. It's all right. Well, that's why the doctor, the eye doctor always tells me it's like, hey, if you ever lose an eye, you'll be fine. It's like, well, let's not lose an eye.
SPEAKER_01Have a calico cat that's mean as shit. Yeah, dude, like I love calicos, but they're all dickheads. And yes, that cat and truck stop was made for me, absolutely made for me. Oh man.
SPEAKER_00That's that's when you know, and that's like when I picked out my dogs, because the one dog we got from a guy that um the wife worked with somebody, and that's how we got our elder dog, Murphy. But the other two that we have, we got from rescues, and it was like one of those things we had to meet him and all that stuff. I mean, I drove four hours for the one with the one I my little Odin. We drove four hours for him, and it was just like we had a the personality for me. Like, I have to see the personality of the dog, you know. All my dogs have different personalities in their fucking grave.
SPEAKER_01Somebody just said I have eight yard cats. I feed a stray every day. I've been trying to get this motherfucker to warm up to me for months, and it's working, it's working. I don't know if it's female or male, but it started out, you know. I found them hiding behind the the flowers that we got up against the house. And then I was like, Well, fuck, I'm not gonna, you know, it's a stray cat. And it's like I was like, I'm not gonna let it starve. So I decided one day I'll brought the food out. When I walked out, I shook the food bucket and it perked up. I was like, okay, so so this is a cat that somebody moved and they let it go because they didn't want it in the new house. That's the a lot of people do that with cats, unfortunately. They just let them run, let them, let them off into the neighborhood and then they move. Uh so I started feeding it, and then I, you know, and it came back and I fed it every day. Didn't want nothing to do with do with me. It would stay way under the bushes, wouldn't squeak, wouldn't whistle, you know, like purr, nothing, wouldn't nothing. Uh, now we're to the point, we you know, then we got to the point where I was feeding him every day, and uh he started talking to me, or she started talking to me. You know, it's you know, you know, so she's making noise, he's making noise, whatever it is. The cat is making noise. And now we're getting to the point where it'll actually lounge up on the deck when we're out there just hanging out. It'll actually sit on, like lay under the grill and relax and stuff and walk right by. So it's uh much to Laura's dismay. Well, it's warming up.
SPEAKER_00Well, I mean, if you want more cats, I know some neighborhoods up in Milwaukee that there's a bunch of cats and kittens and everything. Oh no, we got to keep all of the cats.
SPEAKER_03We're done. We got two, we're good. We'll feed the one outside and call it a day.
SPEAKER_00Okay, so what I just let the female unmute her mic. See what I just heard there is load up your car, bring them back to my house, and you know, put them in my yard. So I can do that for you, Cliff.
SPEAKER_01Want to talk about Odin's wolves? Vanessa just asked about it. Oh, what do you want to know about?
SPEAKER_00Gary and Freckie. What do we want to know about them? Things. Things. I mean, they're what do they do for Odin?
SPEAKER_01They're wolves, but that's the one thing that's pretty self-explanatory. If you asked about Hoogin and Moonin, that'd be that's a lot less explain self-explanatory, but the wolves, yeah, they they're pretty much just protect you, and yeah. Oh, here it comes. Here it comes. There it is.
SPEAKER_00We got it, we got the ravens now. Uh yeah, basically the wolves are essentially like Cliff, like what you just said. They're just, I mean, they're protection. They're the Norse. Um, when it came to dogs and wolves, it was like they're a part of the family. So essentially the wolves are like a part of the family. Uh, and there's a lot of symbolism of wolves in Norse paganism, especially with the wolves that chase the moon and the sun, and then you got Fenrir that devours everything in sight and then kills Odin in the long run. Um, so I mean, yeah, wolves are just a very simple thing.
SPEAKER_01Somebody took Tear's sword hand, that bastard.
SPEAKER_00Well, I mean, hey man, we want to talk about tear. Tyr, I mean, he put his hand in there knowing that he was gonna lose it.
SPEAKER_01So, I mean, that that well, I don't know if he knew he was gonna lose it, but he knew there was a 99.9% likelihood he was gonna lose it.
SPEAKER_00He knew because the reason why I say he knew he was gonna lose it is because what they what they tied Fenrir down with was unbreakable. So he knew right away he's putting in there he was gonna lose it. So I mean, that's props to that. That that props to tear for that. That that's fucking that's badass.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of people, coyotes and rattlesnakes. I'd you know, I this is starting to get into Troy's territory here. Yeah, there is a Troy's territory.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, there wasn't Don't be late, don't be late. The only snake really involved in Norse paganism was Yorgamander.
SPEAKER_01Jormangander, yeah. So yeah, there wasn't there wasn't a lot of serpentry. Uh hammer, what do they represent? Well, the the the wolf the wolves don't really represent much. They don't the uh the the the ravens represent thought and memory. Hugan and Moonin represent hot thought and memory. And uh there is some argument that there is there's other things that they mean that are on that same wavelength, but it's we don't need to get into that. But they fly through the realms and the worlds and they gather information and bring it back to Odin so that he can keep an eye on everything essentially.
SPEAKER_00Jerry was known as the greedy, the greedy one, and Frecky was known as the ravenous one. Yeah. So I mean that's essentially that's all. I mean, they were just loyal wolves to Odin. That's pretty much it.
SPEAKER_01Uh largely, yes. Wolves, uh wolves are looked at as signs of Norse paganism. Um, largely ravens are too. Um, the problem is that you know, they they depending on which context they're used in, uh ravens can can signify other things or corvids. That's the that's the the the species or the genus or whatever it is that ravens and crows and those types of birds fall in. Um they can mean they can mean things, other things to other people, but they are very, very, very heavily used in Norse paganism. That's that is Odin's battle flag there. So uh I've I know I've seen people ask about that before. I don't think I've ever addressed that. That's Odin's battle flag. Hello, people, hello Joe Woodward. It's nice to see you, Joe Whitward. It's wonderful that you're here, Joe Woodward.
SPEAKER_00But uh yeah. So another interesting thing about like you'll always see whenever you see a raven, nine times out of ten, there's a wolf nearby. They always play with each other. It's like this thing that they have, they'll play. Um, and the wolves will actually let the ravens pick at the food as well while they're eating.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's interesting. So I don't know if it's true, but that's interesting. It's stuff that I've read. That's that's I've I've heard some shit like that. But not in not in your obviously not in your populated areas and that type of shit. I mean, it's you know, often.
SPEAKER_00No, this I'm talking about wildlife, like I'll like probably fucking Montana.
SPEAKER_01Corbids, ravens and crows and such things, uh Corvids are are among the most the smart, most intelligent birds on earth. So uh wolves were uh what you looking at guard the gates of Valhalla that was most of it. Um kinda. Kinda. Like they have, and they do sometimes, but that's not actually their job. Their job is to protect Odin, pretty much.
SPEAKER_00Basically, the symbolism of them uh they reflect primal, untamed, and destructive forces of nature. That's essentially their thing. I don't think there's so much, so many things happening here. So many things. There is. Um somebody actually said something up here. I'm looking, sorry guys. Yeah, somebody was asking about like they were interested in looking at the path, um, learning more about Norse paganism and stuff like that. Um, I'm gonna do a shameless plug real quick. If you're looking to learn a more about Norse paganism, I mean there is a lot of stuff out there. I do a lot of stuff on my page at the Hammer Drops where I break everything down to make it as simple as possible for people to digest. So I would highly recommend go check out the stuff that I have posted out there. I break down a whole bunch of stuff.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, he ain't pretty, but he's got his info straight. So come on. I mean, look at this.
SPEAKER_00This is for like the camera, bro.
SPEAKER_01Now we're fucking doing a disco on uh I listen to I listen to Amana Marth now and then. I it's uh it's a little bit uh it's a little bit much for me. Um I'm more of a Pantera guy. I'm more of a Pantera, uh you know, old Metallica and uh Britney Spears kind of guy. But anyway, so I'm just I'm just gonna say this since we're talking about music real quick.
SPEAKER_00If please do not say Peyton Parrish, please. I don't even know what that is. What's Peyton Parrish? Peyton Parr, he is one of those guys, again, a class player. He did a lot of Norse music for a little bit, and then he found again, you know, born again, Christian, and all that stuff. Now it's he's basically doing for fucking sale and shit, so you know, to be able to sell his albums, that's all he's doing for.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I uh you know what you speaking of music, you know what's really getting fucking weird is the AI music is getting pretty real pretty good stuff.
SPEAKER_00Bro, it's fucking really good, man. I've heard some of that stuff. There's people literally doing pages just strictly on that and selling their music, yeah. It's fucking crazy.
SPEAKER_01Um Earth Schools Theory. No, Miami Bialik. I liked her on uh Blossom and Big Bang Theory. Um, I I have a I have some pretty staunch fundamental disagreements on core values with that woman. So oh yeah, yeah. I don't like her at all. Yeah, well, I wouldn't say that. I liked her as I like her as an actress, and I like her as a scientist, and uh I like her as an intelligent woman. I don't like the fact that she always has to work bullshit into like her your so uh not always, but a lot of the time she works her fucking theological bullshit into stuff. So um it just called me. It called it it uh people choose the Norse path because it calls to them. Um when you break down, when you break down the different religions, you get to pick um what speaks to you and what you agree with as a human. You don't look through the lens of a god, you know, you look through the you know the lens of your own eyes, your own heart, your own emotional structure, and you go with what calls to you. Jesus just doesn't call to me. I will support everybody that he called he does call to, but he just doesn't call to me. The the Christian way doesn't call to me. Um, the Norse pagan way, the respect of nature, the honoring of ancestors, family, yourself. Um, the the a big thing for me, why I choose Norse paganism, is because I don't like to be ruled by fear. And unfortunately, the just the reality of it is Christianity is known as the religion that rules by fear because everything you do is wrong. You've got a you've got a generational blood curse on you that you can't live down. You're steeped in sin that you can't pay for. So inevitably, you're gonna go to hell and you're gonna burn an eternal hellfire and all this other stuff. I'm not, I'm not into that. I also don't like gods that force me to be to fear them. I don't like gods that force me to bow or kneel. Um, uh the gods that that I I speak to, I speak to and I relate with and I follow, they don't require any of that shit. They require to be honored and they require to for you to honor yourself and your family and live a good life and and and be respectful of nature and animals, and it's very natural and very nature-oriented. It's oriented into the natural world as to where um Christianity is more oriented into the spiritual world, you know, all the information coming from upon eye and and all that stuff. So it just calls to me. So, but whatever you whatever you want to do, you like whatever path you find that that calls to you. Um, you know, if you wanna you want to look into Jesus and and and follow the theology theology of Jesus and you know, accept thy neighbor and you know, eat with everybody, break bread with everybody of all walks of life, and you want to be a great person, and you find that Jesus offers you that, by all means go with that. If you want to rape babies, you can go with Islam. If you want to have all the money in the world, you can go with Jews and did I was it noticeable? Was it noticeable? That was fucking good.
SPEAKER_00I'm sorry, you I lost it, folks.
SPEAKER_01I tried, I even tried to get the accent right, right? So, like, if if you say if you say Islam, you know, Islam, it's so Islam, Islam, Islam, Islam, or or or how about the white people just say Muslims? Like, get the fuck out of here. You know that isn't even close to your fucking dialect. Like, this is not, this isn't an this isn't the way this works, you know. Just pronounce it the way you pronounce it. You don't have to throw it. It's like what I you know what bugs me more than anything is when white people talk to Mexican people and they all of a sudden have a fucking Mexican accent. Why can't you tell a Mexican dude serving burritos that you want a burrito? Why do you have to always say, uh, you know, what's good? What's good? I think I'll have the uh chorizo burrito. Get the fuck out of here with that shit. Just say you want a chorizo burrito. Come on, man. I feel like it would be more. In fact, the Mexicans I know they find it patronizing. They fucking hate that shit. They're like, you stupid fucking white people, that's just an accent, and you don't have it.
SPEAKER_00Okay, why do you gotta do an accent when you order food? I don't fucking get that.
SPEAKER_01Just because you're white and you want to look cultured.
SPEAKER_00I don't I don't give a fuck about that.
SPEAKER_01Essay, I need a burrito. Uh uno momento, por favor, gotta get the dinero. My boss did that when I was in the car at a fucking drive-thru. It was fucking wild. Slim. That's fucking hilarious. Oh my god. Yeah. So, all right, let's it's Sunday night, and we've had big days. And so let's let's let's go ahead and wrap this up. Um, guys, for all of you people that have all the questions about Norse paganism, I can't lead you in the right direction for Christianity or anything else. But if you have questions about Norse paganism, uh The Way of Fire and Ice by Ryan Smith, the Havamal, yes, the Poetic Edda, or the Prosetta, and then the Poeticetta. Did I fuck that up? Yeah, no, that's that's the order.
SPEAKER_00That's what you want to do. And that's that's with the Havamal, there's so many different translations for the Havamal. It's like the Bible at this point. Well, just the translations are, but the the text, I mean, it's it's similar in all the books. I would recommend Jackson Crawford's the Havamal, his Hovam All. I think, or uh Carol Carol, Carol Lay Larrington. She's another good one. I like their explanations on their interpretations of it.
SPEAKER_01Uh I I can sing some Britney. Like, I'll fucking sing some trailer. I don't give a fuck. If I jam with something, I jam with something. I don't get I don't listen to music because it makes me look cool. If I wanted to make listen to music and make me look cool, it would all depend on the neighborhood I was driving through.
SPEAKER_00I'm gonna I'm gonna put you on the spot now. So if you all want to hear Cliff sing Britney Spears, start smashing the likes. Start smashing likes, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Fucking oh, oops, they did it again. Oh man, yeah, it's uh uh okay, cool. Fucking thanks, thanks, Joe. Um thank you, Joe. Let's let's wrap this shit up, guys. Um, so we've we if you have questions, just follow that line, follow Dave. And actually go to the hammer drops. That's Dave's page, and that's what he does. He he takes little chunks of Norse paganism and the story and the lore and he breaks it down. He's he's he doesn't do 10-minute videos, he does, he does small, palatable little bites. And you know, if you listen to his stuff, uh it'll it'll it'll spark a little question in you, and and just that question in you will guide you to where you want to go. You can ask the internet, that'll guide you further. Get into a book, get into some reading, um, and and whatnot. But uh most most importantly, what I want to tell everybody, I don't give a fuck what you believe. No, don't use it to attack other people. Do not, under any circumstances, use religion to attack other people, to demean and berate other people. Uh, don't use it to put to pedestal yourself above their fucking their faith. If these people believe in some shit and it makes them a good person, they're not waking up actively trying to hurt people or wishing people would hurt. If they're just decent fucking people, fucking follow everything you can fucking follow anything that speaks to your heart and lead you down the good path. Uh he Dave's on the hammer drops everywhere. You can you can Google him. You can he's on hammer, it's hammer the hammer drops everywhere.
SPEAKER_00Hammer drops everywhere. Thanks, Vanessa, for the uh compliment.
SPEAKER_01So uh yeah, Dave's reels are great. They are. I yeah, and he's he's really honing his craft, and and that's what I like. I like seeing it, I like watching you grow, dude. Um, because you know, when you when you got it's not when you got into the to the social media aspect, the video making aspect of Norse paganism. Um, it was like everybody, everybody that makes videos, when you kind of shift gears, you're a little you gotta you gotta stick with it, you gotta learn it, but you're really fucking honing your craft, man. It's I I love I you know what and I and I'm gonna say this out loud. I love that you you're just emitting you, you're just emitting Dave vibes, like you're finally just being Dave, you're calming down, and you're just saying the story how you feel it in your heart. And it's it's it's actually beautiful to watch. I love it. So go follow Dave at the hammer drops everywhere. He will give you all the all the Norse pagan little tidbits you can handle throughout the day. And uh yeah, it's good shit. If if you want to help me out, get these words out, get these truths out. You can follow me at savagely loud on Instagram, is where I'm most active on that page. You're gonna find two links. One of those links is to the Savagely Loud Podcast page. If you could please follow us there too, that would greatly help and help the show. And uh the other link you're gonna find is a simple link tree anywhere you want to see my face or hear my bullshit. You can find it there, easy peasy. Outside of that, Facebook X and Rumble at Savagely Loud, YouTube at Savagely Loud Podcast. Don't forget to like, subscribe, share with your friends, and have them subscribe as well. And you can also email us in at savagely loud podcast at gmail.com. Don't forget to rate and review the show, it really does help. A good five-star rating and a wonderful review will do everything wonderful. Yeah, I could keep you got that voice that you should be doing voiceovers. I know, I got all the voices.
SPEAKER_00You know why?
SPEAKER_01Like I got them all. I got them all. So what's up? All right, thanks everybody for being here. You guys, you guys are the reason that we're seriously contemplating doing nothing but live shows and then posting those. Um, you guys make it fun, dude. You you you you you make it so much fun, and thank you, dude. For if that was for me, thank you. If that was for Dave, I don't like you anymore. Uh I'm just playing. What did I miss? I said, my dude, you're so good on the mic. Um, yeah. So thanks everybody for being here. Go get to your night, go have a good night, finish off the evening strong so that you can hit Monday uh in all of its teeth. Make money in your bitch, folks. Roll that motherfucker.