The People's AI: The Decentralized AI Podcast
Who will own the future of AI? The giants of Big Tech? Maybe. But what if the people could own AI, not the Big Tech oligarchs? This is the promise of Decentralized AI. And this is the podcast for in-depth conversations on topics like decentralized data markets, on-chain AI agents, decentralized AI compute (DePIN), AI DAOs, and crypto + AI. From host Jeff Wilser, veteran tech journalist (from WIRED to TIME to CoinDesk), host of the "AI-Curious" podcast, and lead producer of Consensus' "AI Summit." Season 2, presented by Gensyn.
The People's AI: The Decentralized AI Podcast
Building the AI Agent Future: Shaw Walters (Eliza) & Harry Grieve (Gensyn)
How will AI Agents transform the world? And why do they need to be Decentralized?
This episode explores the frontier of AI agents—their power, their risks, and their role in shaping our future, on THE PEOPLE'S AI, presented by Gensyn. Host Jeff Wilser talks with Shaw Walters (founder of Eliza Labs) and Harry Grieve (co-founder of Gensyn) about what happens when AI agents become autonomous, self-coding, and capable of running their own workflows or even companies.
Shaw explains how Eliza Labs is building an operating system for AI agents that can write plugins, make decisions, and operate independently. Harry walks through how Gensyn is creating a decentralized infrastructure for machine learning verification, allowing trust to be cryptographically enforced.
Together, they discuss:
- Why “agent swarms” may soon outnumber human teams
- How cryptographic trust can secure AI systems
- Whether AI agents will replace white-collar jobs
- What a decentralized, AI-native internet might look like
We also dig into philosophical questions: Who governs these agents? What does it mean to build trust in autonomous systems? And what happens to society when the agents are working… for themselves?
About Gensyn:
Gensyn is a protocol for machine learning computation. It provides a standardised way to execute machine learning tasks over any device in the world. This aggregates the world's computing supply into a single network, which can support AI systems at far greater scale than is possible today. It is fully open source and permissionless, meaning anyone can contribute to the network or use it.
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