Niyah Brown on Mastering Self-Worth, Purpose, & Building a Stronger Mindset | Tray of Truths #38

In this powerful episode of Tray of Truths, we sit down with Niyah Brown for an unfiltered conversation about self-worth, healing, and the courage it takes to walk away from what no longer serves you.

Niyah opens up about her personal journey through adversity, growth, and self-discovery, sharing real-life experiences that highlight the importance of accountability, emotional intelligence, and protecting your peace. This episode dives deep into relationships, personal boundaries, and the mindset shifts required to level up in life.

Through raw storytelling and honest dialogue, Niyah provides insight into what it truly means to choose yourself, rebuild your confidence, and embrace transformation. If you are navigating challenges, seeking clarity, or striving to become a better version of yourself, this conversation will resonate deeply.

This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to grow mentally, emotionally, and spiritually while learning how to move with intention and purpose.
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00:00 Introduction and welcoming Niyah Brown
02:15 Niyah’s background and early life experiences
06:40 Defining self-worth and where it begins
11:30 Overcoming personal struggles and adversity
16:45 The importance of accountability and self-reflection
21:10 Relationships, boundaries, and knowing when to walk away
27:35 Healing from past trauma and emotional growth
33:20 Building confidence and trusting yourself again
38:50 Protecting your peace and energy
44:05 Lessons learned from life transitions
49:10 Advice for people feeling stuck or lost
54:00 Final thoughts and closing message

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SPEAKER_03 0:00

When I was in the cancer center, I remember talking to God and just being like, if you get me through this, I promise you I will go after everything, no matter how scary it is, no matter how big it might seem or impossible.

SPEAKER_01 0:11

In their eyes, they kind of limit us to what they can only see for themselves. They don't really see how far our vision can really go because they'd be like, if it was me, probably can do that.

SPEAKER_03 0:20

My whole idea of what I wanted and who I thought I was shifted because now all I wanted to feel was better. I didn't care about how much money I made. I didn't care about the followers. I didn't care about the clothes I had on. Like all I wanted to feel was better. I wanted to feel like myself again.

SPEAKER_01 0:35

I don't care who leaves at this point in my life because as long as I'm being myself, I'm happy and then somebody else is being impacted from my happiness.

SPEAKER_03 0:41

It gave me the opportunity to see who I was on the inside and start investing into things that can't be taken away, like my knowledge, my character. You can't go to the store and buy confidence.

SPEAKER_01 0:50

All these accessories, people get lost in them, and they value them more than they value the person that they truly are because that's what people see. People more are more concerned with what people see versus who they actually are.

SPEAKER_03 1:04

I went there to try to do this, this, and this, and this, and this, and this. And it could have been taking me up a ladder that I realized once I get to the top of the ladder that that's not what I want to do.

SPEAKER_01 1:21

Welcome to another episode of Trey or Truth's podcast. Today I have a guest with a very inspirational story, inspirational journey. And um, yeah, I can't wait to hear what y'all what she has to say and you know the free game that we're both going to talk about and hear about a journey. So without furthermore introduction, go ahead and introduce yourself.

SPEAKER_03 1:38

Hey everyone, my name is Naya Brown and from Tampa, Florida. I'm 23 and I just I have my own podcast. I do content creation and I'm excited for this conversation.

SPEAKER_01 1:50

Absolutely, absolutely. So I always ask my guest um every episode, how are you doing mentally?

SPEAKER_03 1:56

Mentally, honestly, I'm doing a lot better than I have in the past, to be honest. Like mental health is constantly, it's like uh it ebbs and flows, you know. It's like, you know, especially the things that we go through. And as a, you know, creative, I think that, you know, we choose a path that is not as um mentally stable as maybe something else. And so it's constantly changing. But right now, I I think it'd be pretty good because now that like that event just passed, I have a lot more mental space for me. And I've been pouring back into myself with that.

SPEAKER_01 2:31

For sure. And my my question for you is now is what what what is the past? Because the past could be last week, the past could be last year, it could be five years from now. What is the past when you mention it like that?

SPEAKER_03 2:41

Yeah, honestly, I would say like honestly, the past three to five years. Because the things that I went through with like health-wise and just like growing up and finding out who I am, like that was like it's funny because I thought I had a great idea of who I was. And then the things that I went through really made me go through and identity check and figure out who I really was without the stuff that I was attached to. And now that I feel like I have a foundation in that, my mental health is a lot better because I'm more stable within myself than exterior things.

SPEAKER_01 3:19

So, you know, your podcast name, um, before we get into a little bit of yourself, your podcast name has a unique meaning behind it. Um where where did that podcast name come from? If you can explain it to people that are not familiar with your platform.

SPEAKER_03 3:36

Yeah. So my podcast name is I Am Not My Hair. And for the people that don't see me, I have curly hair. Um, and to explain the meaning kind of ties into what I was saying with like the three to five years. Um, basically growing up, I wanted to do modeling and acting. I was pursuing that. And I found myself in Atlanta. I moved there for a year to pursue that just because Tampa always wasn't what Tampa is today. And, you know, I ended up doing, you know, New York Fashion Week. I was around creatives and entrepreneurs and people that were really the doers. Um, and then after I came back from New York Fashion Week, I noticed that my I was going through hair loss. Like it was in the drain, it was in my brush, it was, it was clear that what I was going through. And that went on for like time, like months and months passed. And I was still going through hair loss and I had to do a big chop. And like it got to the point where it was so, so, so, so thin. And, you know, growing up doing modeling and acting, you're known for your stats, like your height, your waist, your hair, your whatever. Like you're known just for how you look. And I didn't realize how much that really was shaping into who I thought I was. Especially, you know, being mixed and being like one of the only black girls that were really in my class for where I went for elementary school and middle school. Um, I realized that a lot of the things that people would compliment me on or say was, oh my God, your hair, your hair, your hair, because it was different. And so I really, really would believe, especially when I was doing modeling and stuff like that, they'd be like, Oh, like, you know, what makes you different? I would answer my hair. My hair makes me different. And again, so when I lost that, I was really, really, it it got stripped away and I was faced with, okay, so with this gone, who actually am I? You know, especially because now, and that honestly led me into the cancer center, not because of cancer, but that was one of the only places around when I was 19, 20 that were doing iron infusions and my iron levels were so low I needed infusions. And so I'm sitting around with cancer patients of all different ages, races, backgrounds, and stories. And I see the cards that they've been dealt, and I'm sitting there like, wow. Like all the things that I was worried about, like New York Fashion Week and everything like that, really made me it. My whole idea of what I wanted and who I thought I was shifted because now all I wanted to feel was better. I didn't care about how much money I made. I don't, I didn't care about the followers. I didn't care about the clothes I had on. Like all I wanted to feel was better. I wanted to feel like myself again. And so I had to literally, it's again how I lost it. I had to take the time to build that back up. And exactly, exactly. And during that hard time, there's a song by India Re called I Am Not My Hair. And in that song, she goes, I am not my hair, I am not the skin, I am the soul that lives within. And another fun fact is that's actually where I got my middle name. That song came out in 2005 and I was born in 2003, and not the full government, but um, but yeah, it was named after. And I thought it was crazy how, like, again, how things like that tie into each other. And the fact that that song, it almost felt like that song was made for me, how it, how funny that it sounds.

SPEAKER_01 6:38

It resurfaced in your life.

SPEAKER_03 6:40

Exactly. And so yeah, that really was the meaning behind that. And it, it's so it's such a simple thing to say. Like, I am not my hair, but it's it's it really does mean like who you are on the inside. Because I think for anyone that would have gone through that, or what I feel like is that it gave me the opportunity to see who I was on the inside and start investing into things that can't be taken away, like my knowledge, my character. You can't go to the store and buy confidence. You have to work on it. And I can't be taken away. And so once I realized that, you know, it definitely made me a stronger individual, it made me a better individual. And now that I'm, you know, on the other side of it, I can see how much of a gift it really was.

SPEAKER_01 7:18

For sure. And I I always um tell people like, um, today, even today, not that what I say, I have a um basically like a group on Instagram, it's called a channel, and I have like, I think almost 400 people in there, and I just send out daily messages of like with motivation. And one of my um things that I sent out today was that you don't need luck. Luck is an accessory. Um and the reason why I say that is because a lot of people tend to cling to things that are truly accessories to who you are as a person. For instance, your hair is an accessory, the way, the way your your shape is an accessory, it doesn't it doesn't add on to who you are as a person. You all that can go away. Accessories, I can take this off and it doesn't change who I am as a person. Your hair, you can cut it off. It doesn't change who you are as a person. So all these accessories, people get lost in them and they value them more than they value the person that they truly are because that's what people see. People more are more concerned with what people see versus who they actually are, and that's just today's society. But you know, that's the only reason I I brought that up is because you know, accessories uh tend to hold more value than uh what we actually have or what we actually are in a sense. Um it could be car parts, it could be anything. Your car could be fucked up, but as long as it's a cool color, people will look at it, but they won't know it's fucked up. Exactly. And that can tie into your car being your mental or whatever the case may be. It's a whole different way you can go about it.

SPEAKER_02 8:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:40

My next question for you is though, going through that phase, you know, I mean, um facing reality check, it can lead to you changing who you are as a person. Um, it can allow you to, you know, cut off different traits of yourself that people are kind of attached to. How did that transition affect people that were around you or affect your family, including yourself?

SPEAKER_03 8:59

In terms of like what I was going through and the transition of who I was to who I am now, how did that affect them?

SPEAKER_01 9:04

Yeah. So basically, like what it what did what did you really did you lose anything? Because I know in a sense, um, how I can envision, like a part of you kind of died. That part of you that valued all that stuff, it it died. But what else died with it? Was it certain friends? Was it certain family? Was it certain connections? Was it certain traits? What kind of died with that version of it?

SPEAKER_03 9:25

Yeah, I mean, definitely, I feel like my biggest thing that died was a mental aspect. Like I said, who I thought I was. And I think everything that we experience stems from us, our friendships, the relationships, and everything, like you said. So once I lost that part of myself and and my mindset and how I was thinking and my old way of thinking and and acting, friendships, jobs, like genuinely my entire life changed from that. And when I like in terms of even like again, how I would view even other people, because when I went through those shifts, I started seeing things of like paying more attention, like you said, not how it looks because it's super easy to get caught up in it. And how I say, like, if you're looking at how I look, you're not seeing me.

SPEAKER_02 10:12

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 10:13

You know, and so like again, like genuinely when my brain, again, and at the time I was 1920. While I was going through this, a lot of people my age are out in college drinking and and going through all these different walks of lives, and and I'm here learning what I'm learning. And then also, you know, in the Kent Center and having these conversations with people that are usually older, that have more experienced, like it genuinely changed everything about me. And I, and honestly, I went into a deep, deep isolation. And I think in the isolation, a lot of, again, like people kind of, you know, fell out of my life slowly. And it felt, again, it was a really, really hard time in terms of like, again, I'm young and I'm like, it's an isolation. So it was like a depression, anxiety, and it really changed so much in me that my exterior had no choice but to change. But then I when I thought, when I say I I had thought I had nothing, it was clearing the slate clean so I could build on top of that. And so, like I said, it was a gift. So I mean everything changed.

SPEAKER_01 11:13

That's that's that's good. And I and I have two questions for you. Um, the first one, um just keep keep it rolling with isolation. Do you feel like isolation was something that you needed in your life to become the person that you are now? And how did isolation kind of like what is that, what was that isolation? What did it look like? Because for me, um, like most of my audience know that watch my podcast, they know like I talk about how I suffered depression for four years without even knowing it. Um isolation didn't really hit me until I graduated college. Because now I'm an adult and now everything is more of it at a fast pace, but it's on my own terms. If I don't have control of that that pace in those terms, then you basically going down a hole. And that was my life. For two years, I graduated in 2023. For two years all the way into 2025, I was in a hole. I was in a spiral. Four walls was my comfort zone, my room. I couldn't escape that for nothing in the world. People would try to invite me out because they knew who I was as a person, but I didn't even know myself. I couldn't get myself out of that hole because I was so stuck. I didn't know nothing but four walls. So that was my isolation. I needed that in order to become the man that I am now, you know, being in the present, but I was too scared to face a mirror. And when I finally faced that mirror, it was like the greatest thing that ever happened. So, how was isolation for you? Was it dark? Was it was it something like more of a, you know, vulnerable place, or was it something like more of a motivational aspect for you?

SPEAKER_02 12:32

Hmm.

SPEAKER_03 12:33

My isolation took place when I was in Atlanta. And it was basically, again, I I moved to Atlanta, and then right after that I was in New York, and then like again, I I was moving out there for a year, two months in this this stuff started happening. And so for me, right when I moved there, one again, when you move to a city, no one knows you and you don't know anyone. Exactly. And so because this stuff was happening to me and I and I was indoors, I wasn't really meeting individuals. I wasn't going out of my way because again, like my this stuff was happening was heavy and it was deep. And like, again, I'm like 19 and so all like my comfort zone is back in Tampa. And so my family and everything like that, like we would check in and stuff like that. But a lot of the time it was just me in that apartment with in that room and you know, asking, you know, why is this happening? You know, like especially because I have a lot of ambition and I've always been an ambitious person. And like again, like we said, like it's easy sometimes to move quick and fast. And I and for me, I'm always thinking, like, how can I just get over this to get to the next thing? I was like, I was so I was always trying to get onto the next thing, and isolation really, really made me slow down. It really, really made me, like you said, look in that mirror, look within. And so my isolation in the beginning, I was trying to just push through it and get through it. So I was like, okay, fine. Well, I'm gonna read all the the entrepreneurship books. I'm gonna read Think and Grow Rich, Atomic Habits, I'm gonna better myself, I'm not gonna let this slow me down. I'm not gonna like I was so quick to do that. But then You were a fixer. Yeah, always. Always, always, always. And so then after I realized that this was out of my control and this wasn't a problem that I necessarily could fix, that's when I kind of was more, that's when the depression hit me. Because I I I really do like to be in control in terms of that type of stuff with my life. And so that's when the depression depression kicked in, and I'm sitting there and I just I'm like, okay, what am I what do I have to learn? What are you trying to teach me? And so it was just me there. And again, I just spent a lot of time, sometimes literally just sitting in that room and just thinking and feeling what I was in. Because I said, okay, well, also knowing that I want to pursue, you know, content and everything like that, I said, I said, eventually, I feel like this is gonna be a story that I have to tell. And so I tried to make sure I was really present. A lot of the time too, um, I would prop my phone up and I would put on actually Snapchat and because Snapchat has their own memories and you can record that. So I thought it was a great place for a digital diary. And I would sit there and I would record and I would just talk to my camera and I would just document what I was feeling, what I was going through. And I just have a bunch of videos from the last years really just talking and expressing. And I and I always was talking to my future self so that I could remember what I was like in that moment. So then now I can look back and tell my story and genuinely connect with that version of myself. And so, like here talking to you, it's that version of me talking to you as well.

SPEAKER_02 15:40

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 15:41

So that's kind of what it looked like. It was a lot of like slow time and time with myself. And I think to another answer to your question is I think it's definitely important and it's definitely a big reason why I am here today. And I think isolation sometimes is either forced on us or sometimes it can be a choice. But I think that everyone should go through a period of isolation. The times and the time can range. Sometimes it might be for a month, sometimes it might be months, sometimes it could be a year for some people. And I think it's genuinely so, so important because, like I said, this life can move so fast. But if we can find those moments to slow down and just be with ourselves, it can propel you ahead. We try to move so quick that we don't even realize sometimes it's just busy work. But the work that you can get done in isolation could actually take over for what you were trying to do. Absolutely. Yeah, progressive.

SPEAKER_01 16:34

I tell people all the time, I said it um on my last episode, I think a couple, like two episodes ago, I basically was telling people um that we're always in a race to the future when we don't even know who our future self is. We always want to race and get to this place where the more you rush, the more you make impulsive decisions or you make lack, lack of, you know, knowledge decisions, you're gonna end up killing the future self. And that future self is gonna be somebody that when you get to that place, or say if I want to hurry up and do everything so at 60, I can be on an island chilling. By the time I'm 60, I might be beat up. I might might not even be able to have an island. I might not even be able to drive to the island. My legs might be gone. You don't know because you want to keep you trying to rush there.

SPEAKER_02 17:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:14

You're not taking time to savor every moment. And by the time you get to 60, you're gonna be an old, miserable person. It's a lot of people like that. A lot of old people were miserable because their life didn't turn out how they wanted it to, because they were in a race and they didn't think about the decisions that they made. And it's no shade towards them, but it's just the reality. A lot of people like to get to that end destination instead of just savoring the moments that happen. And with my isolation, I learned that no matter what you do, because I was a fixer my whole life, always been a fixer, where there'd be problems or other people's problems, anything. I always wanted to fix something because I know I had the capability of doing so. But what I learned is no matter how fast I try to fix a problem, that's still, it's still gonna be a problem at the end of the day. It's gonna be there five minutes from now, an hour from now, it's still gonna be a problem. So enjoy what you have now before you try to race and fix that problem because that probably literally kill you. Yes. It probably can take you out. But my next question for you is noticing that that was a period of isolation for you, do you think Atlanta was your checkpoint? Like you and a you in a you know, mile race, or let's just say a marathon, that checkpoint was where, okay, I need a break, I need some water, I need to figure out what's the next steps for me. Well, do you think Atlanta was your checkpoint?

SPEAKER_03 18:26

I could say that, but one thing that I like calling Atlanta, and it's so funny how the way everything works because the building that I was staying in in Atlanta was called the catalyst. And if you know the definition of the catalyst, it basically means to get from point A to point B quicker or just to help accelerate you on that path. And I would say Atlanta was my catalyst. And that's exactly why I named my event the Creator Catalyst, is because it's like I want to pour into these individuals the way Atlanta poured into me. And so Atlanta genuinely like I like Atlanta was like a it really fast tracked, like as much as it, like I said, felt like it was slowing me down, it put me so far ahead because it was rebuilding the mental. A lot of the time we try to focus on the external things.

SPEAKER_02 19:16

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 19:17

And it genuinely, if we focus on the the mind, the you know, our emotional stuff, if we healed sometimes the trauma, if we journal, if we, if we actually ask ourselves, are we okay? Like if we check in with ourselves as that checkpoint, I feel like it gives me better results. Like I would, I went there to try to do this, this, and this and this and this and this. And it could have been taking me up a ladder that I realized once I get to the top of the ladder that that's not what I want to do. And that's and what good is that? And then how much time do you waste? You still have to come back down the ladder, figure out what ladder you actually want to go on. And so Atlanta, it was, it was a, it almost was like a like a halt, an extreme halt, so that I was able to get in alignment to go after what I really wanted. So it was my catalyst.

SPEAKER_01 20:02

That's good. That's good that you have your own meaning behind it. Cause another thing that I always tell people as well, too, like I try to, whenever I have guests, I try to allow them to tap in back to who they were versus who they are now, basically meaning like a traumatic moment um as a child or anything like that. And just basically say, what are some words you would give to yourself? Because a lot of people can't tap back into that moment. Like a lot of people don't have that memorable or core memory to where they can use something as their checkpoint. Like for me, my checkpoint was me going to college. That's when I realized like it's it's nobody's coming to save me. That's my biggest standard. I say to myself, like, nobody's coming to save me. And that allows me to understand that no matter what goes in my life, you have to get out, get yourself out of it. That was my checkpoint. Me being in a place where financially wasn't stable, mentally wasn't stable, and thinking that somebody's gonna be like, oh, Trey, like how you doing? People don't do that. That's not that's not real life, that's not reality. People don't do that anymore. Um, so that was my checkpoint, but a lot of people don't have a checkpoint, and that's something that I emphasize on like find that core memory in your life that pivoted you into the person that you are now. Because if you don't have that core memory, you still living through the trauma and the unhealed pain from when you were a youth or adult, whatever you're going through. Um, so my next question to you is now knowing that you pivoted and knowing that um you're in a better place, what is one thing that you learned about yourself?

SPEAKER_03 21:24

I learned that I'm really, really, really resilient. Like honestly, since like 2019 to like now, it's been one thing after the other. And I know that's a the story for a lot of people as well. And I'm a lot of people are really resilient, but like when I get down, I get back up. And that really is the gift. I realize that I'm resilient, and then I realize that I believe. In myself so much, and I've gone through enough things to realize that the scariest thing in life is really the regret of if I could have done that. Like I realized, like I said, when I was in the cancer center, I remember talking to God and just being like, if you get me through this, I promise you I will go after everything, no matter how scary it is, no matter how big it might seem or impossible. And so I realized that like I don't let the fear stop me and that I and I keep going no matter if maybe I learn my lesson or if I get down, because that that's gonna happen regardless. Yep. But if you can go at it, and like for me, every hard thing that I go through, I realize like it builds character and it builds my confidence. Like the definition of confidence is basically self-trust. And that I've gone through so many things and hard things that I realize like I have the confidence in myself. If I went through that, if I did that, you can do anything. I can do anything. And and also like if you keep doing that over and over and over, eventually it's like a, it's like a habit. It's like a, you just, it's a way of motion that you go through. You don't even have to think about something that's scary. You know, it's like it's like weight in the gym. You know, if you keep picking it up, you can pick up heavier things. And that's how I look at it with fears or or big ambitions and big goals and dreams to the point where some people ask, like, how do you do it? And I'm like, I've just been doing it. It's the practice of the pursuit. And I think that's that's what I would say.

SPEAKER_01 23:26

So you just said something that's very important. I was gonna ask you about that. So being that you've been through um situations where most people would break, how is that when you get around other people that lack that confidence, that lack that motivation, that lack that, that drive to get to that next level? How is that being around other people that don't have it? Like for me, sometimes, like I tell people all the time, like I have three types of friends. I have some friends that are not doing well. Like they have their own shit going on and just like they just don't have that drive to want to change it. I can't control that. I have friends that are in the same situation as me. We got something, we figuring this shit out, and we good at it. And I got friends that are they already took off. You know what I mean? Yeah. And for me, I had to understand at a at a at a very older age that you can't really control what people do. It's like you can hold them at your belt, and if they decide to touch the ground, that's on them. Eventually they're gonna break off from your waist. And then you can have people at your waist level that's right there with you through the whole thing. You have people that you're trying to catch up to. So what the people that don't have it, they just let's say they take shit for granted. How do you handle that knowing that you went through something that, you know, was very traumatic and that was, you know, in a sense, life-altering. How do you handle that when you're around other people?

SPEAKER_03 24:45

Kind of like you said, like for me, I realize that not everyone is meant to be an entrepreneur. And and I you can't expect that from people either. I understand. For sure. Like, it's it's a lot. And if you don't love it, I wouldn't, I wouldn't encourage anyone to do it. And especially like the creative entrepreneurs, like doing something that, you know, they don't even push because, oh, that's not a real job and stuff like that. Like that's that's a that's going through, that's a lot to go through. And again, like I say, if you don't love it, I wouldn't recommend it. And for me, I just I try to surround myself genuinely with people that get it. And for me, the people that don't, again, it's like again, like I don't expect that from them, but I try to lead as example of doing something that I love and I just hope that they can find that. Like that either inspires them or it kind of pushes them, like gives them an idea or pushes them in the right path. I don't want to say that they're on the wrong path, but like in terms of where they might not feel like they have a purpose and stuff like that. Like, and and also with what I'm trying to do is give people the space to find a purpose to find that, you know. But like I said, I I genuinely like being around the people that are in it with me. And I like being around the people that are are further ahead because that's just the way that I like my circle. And I notice that that's how I can improve and also pour back to people that need me to pour back into them. And so yeah, I'm always constantly having conversations, conversations with people who see themselves in a higher space and who are constantly working towards that and are taking action because it inspires me and it and it makes me feel like I'm not so crazy for dreaming the things that I'm dreaming and thinking the things that I'm thinking. For sure. And it's just, I think that's what all creatives and entrepreneurs need.

SPEAKER_01 26:33

Yeah, for sure. And that's that ties into my next question as well, too. My follow-up question for the question I asked about um being around people that kind of don't see it. How do you handle people not seeing your vision for what it is? Because like before we recorded, we had a conversation about people not understanding how far we want to go because they kind of, in their eyes, they kind of limit us to what they can only see for themselves. They don't really see how far our vision can really go. Because they'd be like, if it was me, I probably can do that, but anything else, I don't really know. So how is it, um, like I know you say you tend to hang around people that have, you know, high expectations and high levels from themselves. But when people come around you and they don't really see the vision, like how do you handle that? Knowing that um you've been through something that you made it out of and you know that anything else is possible, how is that being around people that kind of don't see the vision? Like, and it could be friends, it could be family. Like a lot of people really don't see what we see.

SPEAKER_03 27:25

I would say that people meet you where they're at. If they don't see the biggest and best things for themselves, why would they see the biggest and best things for me? You know, like they can't see it, and that's okay for them, but that doesn't make my vision any blurrier. And honestly, for me, like what I've been realizing is like I said, like for the longest, it's I was frustrated with the fact that people didn't see it. I was like, why? Like, why can't you see it? But again, they're not you. And I realized too that I wasn't showing up how I should to even give them a reason to believe. Like, again, I've after my event, people started taking me a little bit more serious because it was an idea that was in the physical that they could experience. But before that, it was just talk. And I'm not a words person. I I like seeing action too before I believe someone. So I understand it, I get it. And it made me be like, okay, bet. Okay, I'm gonna show you. And to me, again, like a again, I'm not in competition with anyone but myself, but I I have a competitive energy to be like, oh, like you're not seeing it? Like, okay, bet that's that's on me. Let me, let me lock in. And so that's kind of where I'm at. And so I realized that I'm like, okay, if people aren't seeing it, that's not has that has nothing to do to do with them more than it has to do with me. And so I'm like, okay, let me show up. Let me let me be the best me that I can be. And then if they don't still believe it after that, then that's okay because the right people will see it and and feel it.

SPEAKER_01 28:49

For sure. So so my next question is like, what what do you think they didn't see? Like, like, what didn't is it something that prevented them from seeing it, or they just didn't see it? Why do you feel like they didn't see it? Honestly, I would say Whoa whoa. I know you're too busy watching the episode, but just take a moment and look at the link down below. Make sure you subscribe to the Truth Lounge. Make sure you join the True Family. Living your truth. This is the perfect place to be, and I appreciate you for tuning in and watching the episode.

SPEAKER_03 29:18

I think something that was blocking them from seeing it was my age. Because I usually in the rooms, like I said, I like being around people that are ahead of me. And sometimes the people that are ahead of you are also years ahead of you in terms of their age. I personally don't discriminate by age because I learned a long time ago age really just is a number in the terms of where your mental is at and your worth ethic. And so, but I think some people think, like, oh, like at the time, who was this 20-year-old, who is this 21-year-old, who is this 23-year-old? Like, who does she think she is? She has so much to learn. She doesn't have all this experience, she hasn't gone through these things. Like, I went through these things at 19. You know, there's some things that I learned when I was 19 that some individuals haven't gone through yet. That's just how it is. Like, did like no one's life is the same in that aspect. So I would say it was my age and maybe just being a woman, you know, like I think sometimes just people in the world that we live in might have certain ideas of how a woman should be and in her place and things like that. But I think that, you know, age was definitely a big thing. And and for them, just not being able to see it, like I said, it was, it was me. It was like I honestly had my own insecurities and doubts that stopped me from fully showing up as me to the point, it's like, you know, that that quote that's basically like, if you're not showing up completely as yourself, how is your audience supposed to see you? How are they supposed to find you? And so that's my thing. I was like, oh, like I wasn't being Naya Brown. So Naya Brown's audience and everything wasn't coming and finding me. They couldn't find me. I was hiding myself. So again, that was on me. And once you realize that and you can take accountability for that, then and you can take action on the accountability that you were able to find. That's how I feel like you're able to get the results that you're looking for and striving for and begging for.

SPEAKER_01 31:03

So who is Naya Brown? You said they you you weren't being Naya Brown. So who is Naya Brown? Who, who, who were you and who is Naya Brown?

SPEAKER_03 31:12

I feel like who I was was someone that was trying to fit in and be what social media is projecting what they want everyone to be. Like, I feel like, again, social media is an illusion. I do content creation as well. So it's like social media is nothing but an illusion. You can literally make people believe and see anything that they want. And so I was trying to be the cool Instagram content creator. That it like, I just I was trying to be that and I realized like that's not me. And there's a reason why there was so much friction, and there's a reason why things weren't working out when I was trying to do that. And once I realized, like, again, I was trying to be like the I could wear, you know, cool street wear. Like, I don't like like you know, like you play in different clothes and stuff like that. Um, and now I realize Exactly, you know? And I'm like, nah, that's that's not you. Come on now. You know, like I personally like having fun. I like genuinely like joking around and having fun and just also being nature. Like again, I grew up riding horses and I was like constantly just around animals and like a slow-paced life and things like that. And I like that farm girl. My my Snapchat name was Barn Girl 2.0.

SPEAKER_01 32:29

Like definitely.

SPEAKER_03 32:32

You know what I'm saying? Like, let's get into that, you know? And that's I'm really at heart, Barn Girl 2.0. And so, like, literally, um, once I realized like kind of dropping all, again, stripped from that as well, like I would say who I am is someone who wants to inspire, who like feel like their genuine purpose is to be a light, be a beacon, be a star in this world. And once I like stop trying to be what everyone else was being and just trying to be me in terms of like, again, using my voice, like the things that I've gone through and the story that I have to tell, that's who I am. Like, on like the things that we go through shape us into who we are, but we also get to choose who we get to be. And I was like, let me turn this pain, let me alchemize this pain and turn it into something. And I was faced with all the hard things like that I went through that shape me into who I am now. And I'm like, I just want to be a good person. Like, I just want to make people laugh. I just want to make people feel seen, feel heard, because I know what it feels like to not be. I just want to be a friend and I just want to be an inspiration. Like if I can help people make feel them feel good about themselves, like that's who I want to be. Like I want to make sure that when I'm gone, that the content that I put out, that the things that I did for people is still remembered afterwards. And that's cool.

SPEAKER_01 33:48

Yeah, for sure. And and the thing is that I'm gonna pick it back off that. All that is free. Yeah. Being a great a good person is free. A thousand percent. It doesn't cost anything, but the reward is so high. Yeah. That's why a lot of people, um, a lot of people don't do it because they don't benefit from it. That's why I say, Yeah, exactly. So that's why I say like coming into a space like what we are, you know, podcasters, um, I guess you can call us influencers or just people um that give back, uh, people don't do it because they don't get anything instantly. It's not an instant gratification. Like, they don't, they don't get nothing right off bat. Like you can't be good person today and get $500 tomorrow. It just doesn't work in our world. It don't. But a lot of people don't do it because of that. But my thing is too, is the biggest thing that you said that I'm gonna take away from it is the social media aspect of things. And I feel like that's where people struggle the most. I struggle with it even to this day, because sometimes I question myself like, uh, Trey, don't get too motivational on them, because they're gonna be like, all right, I'm tired of hearing this man. Yes. Get him out of here. But at the same time, I say, okay, that person can go. It's somebody else that needs it. So it takes a lot of um, what's the word I want to use? It takes a lot of tuning to be able to just truly be yourself because sometimes you question yourself about like who's gonna accept it, but honestly, who gives a fuck? Like, I don't, now that I'm myself, now I just I don't care. Like, yeah, if you're gonna follow me, cool. Just make sure you remove me, you know what I mean? Like, less stuff like that. Cool. But like, yeah, um, I don't care who leaves at this point in my life because as long as I'm being myself, I'm happy, and then somebody else is being impacted from my happiness that I'm not losing nothing from. I'm losing something if I'm being fake, if I want to get on the ground, like flex when I'm at the bar or flex what I got on and show off all this. Like, nobody, that that's the oohs and odds. Like, okay, I might get like story like or a reply, but that ain't getting me nowhere either. Like, I'm just faking the funk.

SPEAKER_03 35:44

Like, I want to add on to that because you said something that really, really, really, really resonated with me. Like, I was so scared to like get on my social media and just talk because I thought, like, who was gonna listen to it? Like you said, like, what does she know? Who does she think she is? Like, these were my own thoughts and self-doubt getting in the way of my purpose. Because I realized once I did finally push through that and break through that, there were so many people that were just like, wow, that that video really inspired me. That changed my mindset. And that's when I was like, oh, and that's me just being me. These are just thoughts that just the easiest thing to do. The easiest thing that there was no friction when I was trying to be this, this cool girl model influencer, da-da-da like. And I, and I those, like you said, they're accessories. Like those are things that you can wear and do. But like me just getting up there and speaking and doing that, and that's why I knew I had to speak at my event, was because it was like realizing that I did have a story to tell and things to say that could help people, I would be doing more of a disservice not to do that than to post my fit check. Because so many people need it.

SPEAKER_01 36:49

People don't see the thing is too with social media is that you know, I I try to preach this shit as much because I used to be one of those guys. I used to buy all the design uh, try to be in a club section. I was a promoter, so that's that's the type of aesthetics we had to do. But once I stopped being a promoter, I tried to carry that with me, but it just didn't fit. Like, like, like the thing I tell people is to this day, like, you couldn't catch me going to no thrift store. I didn't start thrifting until what? 2024. But before that, like, hey, you can't catch me in no thrift store, man. Take me, take me to uh Sax Fifth, take me to um uh what's the thing, Farfetch Online. Like, I won't, I want the I want the good shit. Because when people see it, they're like, oh, he got money, oh he knows he on his shit. But reality, people don't give a fuck. They just gonna give you a like and then keep that shit pushing. They're just gonna be like, oh yeah, they're gonna be like, oh yeah, I'm gonna get Gucci to sponsor you. Uh no, that shit don't matter. No. But I'm saying that to say this. Once I became myself and just did what I always love to do, like I love music, I love being outside, I love being around people, I like making people laugh. Once I did that, I noticed how much other doors open for me. And those doors stayed. When I was around here living the facade and trying to keep up with social media, those doors, they open and they shut, waiting for another, you know, spotlight moment for me. But other than that, they couldn't help me do nothing. No. But when you be yourself, like you said, talking. Like when I did my speaking event, I was shell-shocked. Like people coming up to me, like, oh my, I really need, I'm like, you needed me to tell my story? Yes. My story helped you? Yes. I didn't even think my story's gonna help myself. You know what I mean? Like, I just push it to the side. But now being in that space where you're able to expel and just release, man, so many other people are packed because they like, they realize like it's not only me.

SPEAKER_03 38:36

No, they feel you, and that's what we're all looking for, is that human connection. When I, again, I was, I was, I kept going up to again, Gabe, you know, Kay. I was talking to people like, I'm I'm low-key nervous in terms of like, are people really gonna like listen to what I have to say? Are they gonna get bored? Like, my speech about 15 minutes. I don't, I hope people don't get bored. I realized like, again, the people that need to hear it will hear it. And so once I remove that, people were coming up after my speech saying they felt like they I was preaching, I was in church. People said that they had tears in their eyes. Like hearing that and being like, dang, like I was just talking and realizing that like, again, what we do is helping people with our words. Like that in itself is a gift and that's purpose, and we have to keep going. We have to keep going. Because also, like you said, people don't remember what you got on. They remember how you make them feel. Like, is it it's cool to look cool, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 39:25

A lot of people can't afford to look cool. That's why a lot of people don't care about it. Yeah. That's why I say it it looks cool, but the people can't afford it to help themselves. No. That's too expensive. Yeah. The fakeness is too expensive. So why are you trying to feed it to the people? Yeah, they can't afford it.

SPEAKER_03 39:38

And people are also scrolling on social media for themselves. No one gets on social media like, oh, let me let me go see. They're they're they're like looking for themselves. That's why they stop on a motivational video, is because they need to hear that. That's why they stop on a quote and like it because it resonated with them. Your fit in your shoes, they look good. I'll give you that. But all about them. In today's world that we're living in too, a lot, we have a lot more things to worry about than what someone is wearing on Instagram.

SPEAKER_01 40:07

Mm-hmm. That's facts. Shit, gas prices fold all the time. You know? Gas prices, damn, that shit costs more than out there. Gassy Kai, you better buy some Jordans.

SPEAKER_03 40:16

Right. You start posting that. Look, I filled up my tank today, y'all.

SPEAKER_01 40:20

It showed. But I do um uh we got a couple minutes left. I do want to go ahead and give you your flowers for your event since we're on the topic about that. You know what I mean? Like I said, before we even, before the event took place, we had our conversation about it. And to see the outcome of it, I know now that you know in your heart, like this shit is about to go to another level. Like this shit is about to scale off. You know what I mean? Because like just from what you did alone, it opened up doors for you, of course, and everyone else involved. But now that's gonna open up the biggest door possible for you. Because now when you want to do another event, it's gonna be so many people ready to pour into it and just help you do it because they need it again. Like, like the streets hungry. Like you, like you told me, like, you know what the creators, you know what the people in Tampa need because you have the vision for it, but now people see your vision. So now they're gonna give you that boost. So, like I said, I'm I'm I'm definitely happy for you. And I know that going forward that one, I'm gonna be at the next one. I don't care what life throwing, I'm gonna be at the next one. Even if I got an Uber there, I'll be at the next one. But I know going forward that like everything that's coming your way is gonna be great. And if you do even experience some hurdles, like you said before, you've been through enough to know where like, okay, this is like the quiet, the quiet before the storm. Like this is just this is just knowing that something is gonna bless me, even times 10. So, with that being said, how was your own output of your event? Like, how did you feel? Like, what resonated with you the most besides the people?

SPEAKER_03 41:49

Hmm. What resonated with me?

SPEAKER_01 41:51

Because this is the people are important, but it's deeper than the people. Like you did it for the people, but at the same time, in the back of your mind and back of your heart, you did it for you too, because it was something in your in your soul that needed to release and you needed to put put or build something together in order to really like be at whole or be at peace with something. So what what what resonated with you other than the people?

SPEAKER_03 42:11

Honestly, I feel like it definitely hit me afterwards the fact. Like before I was again, I was like making sure everything is good. Yeah, like again, just trying to make sure I was. I remember like calling Kay, like, are you sure we don't have to do anything else? Like we just have to show up and and be ourselves. Is that that's that's that's all that's left to do. Um afterwards, just just taking a second in, and one of my friends made me sit down like while it was going on and just take a look around and realize like you know, we're just sitting in, like, you know, so I would say the biggest like output is the fact that like I really did take an idea in something that I pictured and I made it happen.

SPEAKER_01 42:52

And that's hold on, I want to add on something. You took an idea, I'm not gonna I don't want to use the word last minute, but you didn't give yourself a lot of time on that idea either. So I say I want to give you flowers. Cause I was thinking that I said, I said, damn. This only been a this only been a thing for about what, a month, a month and a half between the two.

SPEAKER_03 43:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:13

I'm like, if she would have had a little bit more time, just give her three months. Cause most people that do conferences and events like that, three months in advance. Like you go see I uh uh what's his name? Is it is it? It's not E.T. It is E.T. Eric Thomas. I think that's the name, whatever. E.T. You see E.T. Um Inky Johnson, David Shans, all they do their conference, like they they got a conference this month or next week in and I think um Chicago. Yeah, that shit going on since December. Yeah. But you only gave yourself a month and a half or a month at least to market it. To market it. Look what you did. Like you like you got like you really you really gotta like sit in that moment and be like, I can't really be fucked with. And of course, humbly, but you did your thing, like. I was like, damn. And that inspired me. Thank you. Because I'm like, you know, people been telling me for the longest you need to do a mental health event. I'm just like, I don't know. Mental health is a soft top uh subject. Like, people ain't gonna really want to show up because they want to be vulnerable. Even though I spoke at one, it was a hundred people. It's just like, well, why trade? So seeing that you did it, I'm like, nah, she had that battery in my back. Motivation. I'm gonna go ahead and work on this shit. But like, bro, like I'm giving you a flower deal. Like, I was very, very proud. And I didn't even have to be there to experience it because what people told me, I sent some people there, their feedback and how they connect. I'm like, man, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_03 44:41

Thank you. Like, that's like what you just said is exactly what I wanted from it. I wanted to give, I get the times that we're in. I know how hard it is. And I know how much it helps when we can lean on people. Like, again, like again, I did it for people. Like, I mean, yes, I did it for myself, but I really did do it for people because I get it. I'm I'm in the game with y'all. I know what I need, I know what y'all need. You know, again, I like it felt inspiring for me. Like I threw an event that I wanted to go to. Being around those individuals, like, bro, people are so cool when you really get to talk to them and learn them and hear their stories, like genuinely. And it's like the yeah, the biggest takeaway again was like, I I did it, but like I'm excited because I just was proud of myself in that moment. Because it it really was like a it almost was like I was able to, it genuinely was a clear stamp in my mind that I took something that was really, really hard in my life, something that was really, really painful. And I turned it into something that so many people benefited from, that so many people found value from. And to me, like that really is the just definition of alchemizing it. And like, again, hearing the feedback, it's crazy because it was so much that went into it, then it was there, and then it was gone. And now everyone's like, when's the next one? What are we doing? What are we doing? And it's it's super, super exciting because again, I like in our conversations, it was like, I don't know how many people are really gonna show up. I don't know what people are going to perceive the event as. But having the faith that like I have something to give and that I know what I can do, and just allowing people to experience, like I think creativity is so cool because it's taking you and allowing people to experience you through different things, whether it's expression, whether it's music, clothes, podcasting events. And I think that was one of the first times as I've gone through. I think it was one of the first times that people were really able to experience me and for me to even experience myself fully after the hard things that I've gone through. And it was a nice turning page. Again, it was right after my birthday. Like I just turned 23 on the 21st of March. And so doing it right after it was really me like stepping into this new version of me and fully accepting that and even also giving people the opportunity to step into the versions that they want to, to feel it, to be inspired by it and to lean into it. And so I didn't, I'm just so grateful for the people that did show up and and the community, the way that they showed up and supported the feedback, the repost, like even everything. You said it was like a month leading up into it, but like, yeah, we ran ads, but what was really, really helpful was the community of people that helped me shoot it. Again, Gabe helped us shoot it for the hands at Vonnie, you know, Danny helped with the videos beforehand, you know, Luke, like everyone played a part into it, and everyone was liking, you know, reposting, combating, like all these aspects. It wasn't just me. Like it was really nice to feel supported. And then for people to be like, I'm so glad I supported it. Like for me being like, like the event was almost like a thank you to what was going on. So it just was so amazing. It was such an eye-opening experience. And it and it it gave me the green light in my mind that, you know, people are actually seeing me for what I'm doing and they recognize it, and to keep going because people need it. And again, I feel like I've found, I don't want to say my purpose or, but like I genuinely do feel like I'm I've found my lane in my in alignment and I'm excited to just pave the way.

SPEAKER_01 48:23

Keep going, keep going. That's all I can tell you, just keep going. Like I'm overly happy, um, like I mentioned before. And my next question for you as well, too, is you know, what if if somebody wanted to do exactly what you just did, um, being like put something together, it doesn't even have to be an event on that type of scale, but just putting something together and they're kind of lost or they're kind of scared, what advice would you have for them? What is one thing or one thing that you kept in the back of your head, no matter what, like that got you through creating the event and excelling with the event?

SPEAKER_03 48:56

You wouldn't have the opportunity if it wasn't meant for you. And I think you know, you have the idea for a reason. And it is your job to bring that to light. It's your job to bring that to the reality. For sure. And I if you feel lost in heart, I would say take time with yourself. And and sometimes if you feel lost or you feel like there's friction, make sure that that's the path that you're meant to be on. Cause I was trying to pursue something straight modeling. Now I'm speaking. And I always felt like it was there, but I wanted to be pushed something else first. Like make sure you're in alignment. And then yes, around people that really understand it and and see it and get it. Like, excuse me, like my my biggest thing was again, like a December 29th, me and Kay locked in and we said we're gonna be each other's accountability buddies. I would not be able to put that on that event on the way it went, the success it had without Kay, genuinely. Like having someone that is right there with you, that is going through the same things, that believes the same things, that like genuinely, even from beforehand through the event and afterwards, like full on just in it with me, just like made such a difference. And that's exactly like I want to embody the fact that behind every successful person, there's a team of people behind it. Absolutely. I genuinely, and I keep saying it, could not do this event alone. And I want people to understand that because if you're going through something and it feels hard, try to surround yourself with people that could help you because you don't have to go with it alone. Social media might make it seem that, oh, we can do all this alone, or oh, like, you know, fuck the world and all this, bro. It's a lot behind the scenes. It's a lot behind the scenes. Bro, every single celebrity that you're looking at has a team, management, PR, like social media. Every athlete that you see has a team. Like a lot of the people that you look up to aren't doing it alone. They might be the face of it. I might be the face of the Night Network of what's going on, but I genuinely have a support system. I have, you know, friends and family. I have, you know, people that are are genuinely pouring into me that are helping this vision come to life. And that is what I want for every single person. That's another reason. Listen, if you go to an event like the Creator Catalyst, like the Night Network, you might meet your team. Put yourself out there so these people can come into your life. One of my mentors says opportunity flows through people. So surround yourself with people who also get it.

SPEAKER_01 51:28

Facts. Yeah, man. And the best way I can think about it, because I love my metaphor, is a flashlight isn't just a light bulb. It got something surrounded. That way it can be on a straight path to where you want to look at. So yeah, man. And like I said, man, I'm glad that you gl you not only received your flowers, but you're giving flowers back to the people that helped you get to where you are or where the event um landed at. So that's really important. And yeah, I'm ready for the next one. I'm ready for whatever else you got going on in the future. Um, I'll always, because we're getting towards the end as well, too. So always ask all of my guests, what are three truths that you have um for yourself or that you live by that you feel like other people should know?

SPEAKER_03 52:08

Three truths would be one, fear stands for false evidence appearing real. I live by that, I preach it because sometimes the fears that we go through are a lot of most of the time mental. And it's something that is not here that could physically stop us, but we let it really, really take over our lives. I would say, yeah, false evidence appearing real. I would say that your mindset is everything. How you view the world, how you view yourself in perspective is how you live your life. So if you can change your mind, you can change your life. A lot of the things that we're going through might just be an old way of thinking. It might be just someone else's thoughts that put people pushed on to ourselves. Like just really, really take a second to see if you have a negative thought, that's we're not taught to be negative. Know that that there was a maybe a teacher that told you that. Maybe it was a parent, maybe it was some friend or a bully, place that on you. So just understand that you are in control of your mind. Um, and then another one that I would say would be that once you realize that life is coming from you and not at you, you're and you can take accountability for that, you will start noticing a difference. Cause like I said, it's your mind, but it's also your habits. It's also, you know, who you surround yourself with. Like a lot of the time, people really think that, oh, why did this happen to me today? But sometimes you don't realize what we did to get that to happen to us. Life is a game of cause and effect, you know? And so, yeah, really realize that your life is coming from you and not at you. And I feel like if you can find peace in that and you can move from that, you will you will think life is a lot easier.

SPEAKER_01 53:54

For sure, for sure. And that's all great three truths. Um, I do want to say something before uh we do head off to the, you know, the end of the episode. I want to give a shout out to um your support group just because the visuals were amazing. Um, shout out to Kay as well. Kay reached out to me personally and asked me, like, hey, uh, we got free tickets, like, hey, we we need you here. You know what I mean? I told us, like, hey, I already, or we already know the night, like, I'm good. I'm gonna be there. Yeah. Um, so shout out to your team. They really push you, they help with the visual aspect. Um, I seen a lot of people recording and posting. And another thing too is as y'all seen, she's only 23, but the people that were at her event were double her age, and there's some people that were a little bit older. This is something that um I advise all people to get into. Don't be afraid to challenge yourself to be around people that are um younger than you, older than you, or probably the same age as you because we all think different, but it all can align to one main goal that we all have with each other. So shout out to your community, shout out to your support group, all amazing things. Um let the people know where they can find you, your social media, um, let them know your network and your podcast page as well. And then um also let them know if you got anything else upcoming, like you know, any behind the scenes or anything like that.

SPEAKER_03 55:12

Okay, guys, where you can find me is my Instagram. It's gonna be the Naya Brown, T-H-E-N-I-Y-A-H, B-R-O-W-N. And I have everything linked in there in terms of the podcast. You can find it on all streaming platforms, you know, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube. It's called I Am Not My Hair. And then in terms of like my Naya Network page where we post for our events, you know, us in the community, it's just the Naya Network. Um, and upcoming events, I would say if you're in the Tampa community, stay tuned. There's gonna be some stuff with the Naya Network. And then again, in terms of our next creator catalyst, hmm, possibly, you guys are gonna have to stay tuned for that because I don't want to promise anything too soon because that that one does take a lot more intention and time. And now that we do have more elements that we can add to it, I want to make sure we do it right. Um, and yeah, again, I have a bunch of content coming up soon from the behind the scenes of the event and just some lifestyle things. And if you guys are even needing help with content creation, I might even have some tips and stuff that you'll be able to find a way to get into this if you're looking to be a creative as well on my pages. And you guys can always send me a DM. Um, if you're looking for anything in terms of inspiration or even just someone to talk to, you can send me a DM and I got you.

SPEAKER_01 56:31

For sure, for sure. Well, well appreciated. Um yeah, man. Like I said, it's definitely an inspiration for me to go ahead and and take care of my things with my event that I want to create. Um, my event has been on my mind for years. It's just understanding that it's it can take a lot from people and people have to be ready to actually because it's it's like a um and I hate to make a comparison like this, it's like one of those AA meetings where you know alcoholics go and they gotta show up and be themselves. I don't want to just get up there. And I feel like what with speakers a lot of time they get up there and they they tell their story, but I also want people to be able to tell their story as well too. That's kind of the biggest thing with me. So finding strong people ready to share their story um in a public setting, that's probably gonna be one of the biggest challenges. So definitely uh inspired me a little bit. And yeah, I look forward to whatever you have coming up, and I'm pretty sure everybody else will. Y'all make sure, cuz this this this conversation could have gone a little bit longer. So if y'all want a part two, y'all know what to do, man. Y'all know what to do, man. Just run it up, reach out, comment. Um, make sure y'all follow her, support her uh platform as well. Too. And yeah, man, appreciate you coming and sitting down with me, being vulnerable, and yeah, sharing some gems with the people. I appreciate you.

SPEAKER_03 57:47

I appreciate you for having me and taking the time to, you know, out your busy lives and busy schedules to, you know, sit down and have this one-on-one. And I look forward to your events as well. Any way that I can support you in the Tampa community or just the community in general, I will be there. For sure, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 58:02

And y'all know how I am with the outro, man. Go on.