If Democracy Is “We The People” Who Are You Hearing?

The fastest way to lose your community is to stop listening to it. Josiellia Williams,  sat with Senator Maggie Glover for a wide-ranging, deeply personal talk about what real representation looks like in South Carolina politics and why she believes every elected seat is an “assignment” that belongs to the people who put you there. From the start, she takes us back to the early campaigns, the purple-and-gold momentum, and the lesson that never leaves her: you can’t govern on one vote, one family, or one ego. 

We dig into the policy fights that tested that philosophy. Senator Glover shares what it felt like to walk into the State House and see the Confederate flag displayed in the chambers, and why she introduced the first House legislation to remove it. She connects the history to the present with a clear-eyed view of how symbols shape power, who gets heard, and what it takes to move change through two chambers when emotions run high and accountability gets blurry. 

Then we shift to bread-and-butter outcomes: education funding, the South Carolina educational lottery, and how the Life scholarship approach can open doors for students who need a fair shot. We also explore the long, complicated story of I-73, including the overlooked role of a young Florentine, Anthony Cooper, whose research helped shape the proposed route, and why recognition and resources don’t always follow the people who do the work. 

We close with a direct call on voting rights and voter registration: purges, ID hurdles, misinformation, and what it will take to show up in 2026 and beyond. Subscribe, share this conversation with someone who cares about democracy, and leave a review, then tell us: what’s the biggest barrier to voting in your community right now?

Transcript

elcome And Women’s History Month

SPEAKER_01 0:04

Uh good evening everyone and welcome to Native Drums. I'm Cecilia Williams, your host for this evening, and I have here with me my dear cousin, friend, our grandmother, our great-grandmothers or sisters. Yes, so we are sisters. Yes, yes, we sisters. Let's welcome to Native Drums, everyone. Senator Maggie Glover. Hello. Thank you, my dear. Thank you, thank you. It's such a pleasure to have you here with me today. On as uh as Elaine and I were talking on the last show, on this assignment. Thank you. This is an assignment. I am honored to have been asked. Oh, wonderful. And this is Women's History Month, and we are celebrating women. And what better way than to celebrate a legend like you? Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:00

Thank you. Yeah, definitely. But I I am that because of every voter in this community who came forward, never would have been anywhere near this without all of you. Yes.

irst Wins And Voter Gratitude

SPEAKER_01 1:20

And I thank you, thank you, thank you. I tell you, because I can remember when we spoke it into existence. We used to call you Son of the Glory before you even became Son of the Glory. Thank you. That goes to let you know there's power in the tongue. Yes, it is. Yes, yes, it is. Before we uh began broadcasting, uh we were having a great conversation and casting. You're wasting information. Come on, let's get this rolling. So, yeah, so we did not want to leave our viewers out on this wonderful conversation. So um, as we know, um your first, you're you have a lot of first in your life. Your assignment was first, first, first.

SPEAKER_00 2:05

And um, so you ran for the school board, yes, a game where the people were absolutely amazing. One of the things that Florence Morning News said that they had never seen that many car bumper stickers, they had never seen that many for any candidate. Wow. And they were purple and gold. Oh, of course. And uh people like uh my deacon, uh Mr. Calvin Sellers had them on every cat. I mean, people who who said I don't put my bump of stickers on my car. That per and and the purple and gold had a lot to do with it. My name had to just be on. Uh, but an amazing victory. And so from that election, I, you know, was made to understand it is never about the candidate, it's the people who elect you. You have said to them, I will be your voice, and I will do what you ask me to do. And um I've kept that because uh um, you know, when people are that kind to you, you dare not, at least from our grandmamas, from that foundation they taught us. Uh, you got to know when to say thank you, baby. Yes, indeed. And so from that kind of foundation, um it's important that you be a listener. This ain't about you. It wasn't about Maggie, it was about these people trusting me to do what they elected me to do. I got one vote, could not have ever, and nobody else can do it with just your vote. And just you and your family won't do it, won't do it. And so um, thank God He has allowed me to listen.

SPEAKER_01 4:49

Yeah, to listen. And that's important to listen. Because um, like I always say, and I tell the children, God gave us two ears. One mouth. One mouth. Yes. Listen more than you speak. Yeah, thank you. And once you listen, then, and because he's speaking, he's talking as well. Once you listen, then he gives you the permission to speak.

SPEAKER_00 5:16

Yes, go and speak. Thank you. Yes, yes, what thus sayeth the people.

rom School Board To State Senate

SPEAKER_01 5:23

There you go, there you go. Now, from the school board, uh, this is a story where from the school board, you became House of Representative, Manny Gorgeous from the Sixth Congressional District.

SPEAKER_00 5:40

So let's talk about that. Okay, as I was saying this, Senator Frank, well, Representative Frank Gilbert then, uh, who was also my high school counselor at the mighty Wolfson High School. And uh everybody who graduated during the 60s and early 70s remember well Frank Gilbert. Yes. And so um one day, uh right after we had been able, after years and years of work with Dr. Beck, uh, Reverend L.B. Burgess, um I think Fisher was the uh I in fact I know it was Fisher at Cumberland. All of these uh people, uh, you know, we worked years trying to get the 6th Congressional District because the PD held the wealth of black folk in in this area. And we did not have a representative at that time. We there no, we did not have anyone, and so it was important for these men who brought in the NAACP and uh of all of the black groups, right, brought them together. And um I'd say maybe in the third year, we were finally able um through reapportionment to have them to create the sixth congressional district. And so having worked with uh Senator uh Representative Gilbert then at that time, having worked hard in getting this done, came to my house one day and flopped down in my chair in the living room, and he says, I don't have a lot of time, but I let me tell you why I'm here. He says, uh, Maggie, I'm gonna run for the Senate seat. And you run, and you're gonna run for my house seat. I just got elected to the school board. Anyway, he has always been, even in high school, my mentor. And oh so when he ran and got elected to the Senate, and I stand corrected, um he we got the sixth congressional district when he became the senator. Um uh uh, but he uh came and told me he was running for South Carolina Senate, you're running for my house seat. Well, when we got the district, Senator Gilbert came back to my house and told me the exact same thing. Seat had changed. He says, I'm gonna run for the congressional seat. You're running for my Senate seat. Being that he is my mentor and my high school counselor. Again, from our upbringing, you don't talk back to your elders. Yes, and so um uh that's exactly what I did. I ran and got elected to the House, ran and got elected to the Senate, ran unopposed. First time in South Carolina's history for a Senate seat to be unopposed.

SPEAKER_01 10:06

Unopposed. First again. You didn't know that first. Yes. Thank God, thank God. Yeah, that was truly, truly an assignment. You were like I was saying, um with the event with the um Elaine uh interview, um, when God has something for you, it's for you. Oh, thank you, yes, and um, nothing and no one can stop it.

SPEAKER_00 10:32

Thank you, Father. Thank you. Yes, and so um that's how that happened, and I served um what thirteen years in it.

SPEAKER_01 10:50

How many years?

he South Of The Border Lesson

SPEAKER_00 10:51

Yeah, um eight in the house and thirteen in the Senate, and um uh trying times, valley experiences, mountain experiences, a lot of joy, a lot of tears. But um I I I I I I try to stay strong and remember that it was never ever about Maggie. It was always what uh what what the people wanted uh uh a quick quick story uh to so that the audience understands what I mean by that. Um if you will all remember South of the Border, yes, and what was the games? Why did we go to the South of the Border? Video Polka. Oh yeah. Yes, indeed. Um and uh if those people who know Maggie, I am as stingy as I can be. And so gambling and that kind of thing, that's not me, because I'm counting every penny, every penny, and um but representing uh Marion uh and uh Marion uh County then uh south of the border was right in the heart of the district. And when I did the research and discovered that um there were more people, because normally it's the school district in most districts where the people, for example, in Florence, there are more people employed in the school district, teachers cluster, or whatever, that's where the uh largest number of the citizens were. In Marion, it was south of the border. They had the largest number of employees. Really? Yes, that whole little complex that sat on the North Carolina, South Carolina line, and no matter where you came from, going north or south, they were gonna stop at south of the border. And that is what made them the number one employee and the base of the economy, and the people told me so. So it wasn't about how stitchy Mackie is, and I don't play this. Right. They did, and this is the rock bottom of their economy. So um, I share this because that was my first time taking the podium was to convince this this body, my colleagues here, that it was important to the people in my district that we do this. Um no matter what you think, right, still, it's their livelihood and encourage them to do as I have done. Don't make this personal. It's not about what you like or what you would do, right? It's about the people that elected you. That's right. You gotta become a listener. And we were able to hold off that year. That year. But um that's what I mean, ladies and gentlemen, about listening. Yes, you gotta do that.

ighting For What Constituents Need

SPEAKER_01 15:44

Got to listen, got to listen. That's that's that that's really inspiring. Um what? Okay, so you said that was the first time you took the podium to to defend your people. Now what are some of the or what uh some of the bills that you introduced that you uh that you were most you know passionate about? Uh share that with us.

SPEAKER_00 16:16

Um and this started in the house.

SPEAKER_03 16:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 16:20

Um uh Kay Patterson, Senator Patterson, was also another mentor of mine. And uh, you know, uh 38-year history of dialogue about the Confederate flag in South Carolina. So um uh Senator Gilbert, Senator Patterson, uh Senator Washington, all of them. Um, you know, I had conversations with, and I I I referenced Senator Patterson because when I came to the House, he had just left the House. But his time in the Senate, he had been so vocal on that Confederate flag. He was always the spokesman, but in the House no one had ever introduced legislation to remove the flag. So that was the first piece of legislation that I introduced to all in the house to have the Confederate flag removed from atop the state house and out of the house and Senate chambers. Oh wow. Because when I got to the house, it was such a moving experience. Coming in for the first time, you come in and come up the escalators and you go into the rotunda. But once you get into the rotunda and walk up the stairs to the left to go into the house, at the top of those stairs, when you look up, there's a picture of our she rope, Mary McCloud Bethune, is right there. And that was just amazing to me. The first day I walked and saw my sister. Honey, that was my encouragement. Every morning I looked in that sister's face. And so um uh uh I would come now the first day I did go in and realize that to say the pledge, you had in the House chambers, and the same way in the Senate, you had uh the South Carolina flag, the U.S. flag, and the Confederate flag. Three flags flapping up here in your face. And I'm going, really? It's on top of the state house, beaten in the wind. And I'm going, I'm gonna put my hand over my heart and pledge with, I don't think so. So from that day on, pretty much I waited in looking into the chambers, but I waited in the gallery. So that um no, I couldn't. It was not a pleasant experience. And so um I um so that also was instrumental in my um putting in this legislation. And um soon after that, you know, uh we went, that's when I went to the Senate. I put it in there again. And that's when we really, really started to work on it because um Senator Robert Ford from out of Charleston joined me. And that too, having never met the man before, I met him that day. One of the things he wanted to do was also to introduce a bill to have the Confederate flag removed. And so um uh he uh was willing to sign on. Yeah, to Dub, since I had already put it in, to sign in. And so it became our foundation, joining with Senator Patterson and all the other senators who laid the groundwork for us um to move on with that bill. And you know the history of how that went. We were able to get it out of both chambers, but they took It from atop the state house and put it high level on the Confederate soldier. And so uh after that uh in 2004 is when I left. I left the Senate in 2004. And so when I left, it was still on uh the Confederate soldier. And so um after that is when Governor Haley, after the shooting, right, is when she, as governor, removed it from eye level.

SPEAKER_01 22:44

Um there was a story um the other week. Well, during the um the memorial service in Columbia, uh Jesse Jackson and um and it was stated that he also spoke with Governor Haley in reference to that flag. Flag, yes.

SPEAKER_00 23:05

That it was important to black folk. It was important as as Jesse has always said to us, uh, the rainbow. There are good people who understood that you cannot mistreat your brother, your sister, and then see that as victory. You you it it it just uh God did created us all. Yes, and we have to learn to respect. That's why it became the rainbow. Push. Yes, the rainbow. And um, because there were a lot of people who did not uh agree with that as being a part of our state. And and and certainly uh put it because it was history, put it in the Confederate Museum. That's where it belonged, and you could continue to tell your story because we all had to admit it was they were successful in getting it on top of this building, and you have to give them credit for it. But new day, new time, new knowledge for a new generation, and um that's history. And so uh now let us play our history.

SPEAKER_01 24:55

There you go. There you go. Yes, you're right. Everybody, everyone has a story. Thank you. Yes, every story, and um, and the stories continue as they progress, they change. Yes, you know, we're in the 21st century now.

cholarships Lottery And Fair Funding

SPEAKER_00 25:12

Thank you, thank you, thank you, and so yes, now um 73. Oh, go ahead. Oh, right. The other uh pieces of legislation was uh and the story on I-73, uh the interstate uh coming into South Carolina, uh that uh was something I introduced. Well, I have to explain that story to you. But then the um getting Dr. King's holiday was another piece. And then um I think the thing that I'm most proud of is when South Carolina created its educational lottery. And um after months of arguing with them, um during this time is when the state was talking about making uh South Carolina State University, um uh the University of South Carolina at Orangeburg. Yes. And uh that's when they were asking South Carolina State to pay back uh$25,000, a$25, it was it$25,000, I'm thinking$25 million of grant that they had gotten, but now all of a sudden it was a loan, and they were asking them to pay it back. Um again, all of this is a long story. But because um I needed them to understand that we had just given$52 million to Clemson to create a hog for them to do, yes, to do research. To do research. Why is it that South Carolina State, named for you, has to pay theirs back? No, no, no, no. And so was able to get them after getting all of my uh uh caucus senators, all of the black senators, all of us signed off and took the floor in support of this. And so we were able to get that. And with the educational lottery, for the first time in this state's history, I was able to get the Hope Life Scholarship for students with a 3.0 B average to be able to get a high school of scholarship to go to college from the five HBCUs private, and that was Alan, Benedict, Claflin, um uh Morris, and Voorhees. Okay. The five historically black colleges, for the first time their graduates was able to get scholarship money. And I patterned it after the Pell Meta Scholarship, and that scholarship also helped my colleagues to understand the need for this because the Pell Meta Scholarship was a 3.5 and above. And doing research uh of the 46 of us, South Carolina has 46 senators, um uh most of the students was like a 3.8 and above, um none of them, let's put it this way, none of us would have gotten the Pell Meta Scholarship. Oh my goodness. And even then, um if you go back and look at the recipients, right, Lou, Patels, they were not American. They may have been born here, but uh they were not the South Carolina. We got you. Thank you, yes. And so we were able, once again, with all of the caucus members, because we knew this would help. And it's that the average student that needed, that needed the help. They needed the scholarship, they needed funds to be able to continue their education. And I I I'm honored to say to this day, the Life Hope Scholarship, that's my yes, that's you. That's the piece I like.

SPEAKER_01 31:19

Yes, yes. So all the the funds from the lottery go towards just that. Not all of them.

SPEAKER_00 31:28

Okay, yes. But um we are we it started out as uh the the first year was like 36 million. Uh by the third year it was 71 million. And um so every year because the educational lottery still exists, right, and we uh people, you know, we no longer have video poker, so they moved from video poker to the educational lottery. And um so the money grows. Right. The money grows, and so we are over a hundred million now. That's divided up statewide.

SPEAKER_01 32:18

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 32:19

No matter where you are in South Carolina, you are eligible for the whole life scholarship scholarship.

hy I-73 Still Isn’t Built

SPEAKER_01 32:27

I see it whenever I'm doing my taxes. I see that. Did you receive the whole life? I sure do, I see that. Wow, wow. So we thank you for that. Now, I-73. Oh, that's I-73. Because there was a lot of work put into that to this. Because that has been a long time discussion. Right.

he Young Florentine Behind I-73

SPEAKER_00 32:54

And um to date, South Carolina has not built the intersection of I-73 yet. Um, and that's why it was most interesting this past week when uh the General Assembly decided to name a bridge for Charlie Kirk and to name the I-73 interstate in South Carolina for um Donald J. Trump. And um it uh immediately caused me to think, I wonder do they know the history of I-73 in South Carolina. Out the gate because I-73 became the brain work of a young man from Florence. Anthony Cooper. Graduate a graduate of Clark, Atlanta University. Oh, not an engineer. Most of us will remember Mr. Cooper from his work with Congressman Ed Young and the original Channel 13. He um worked at the station and worked for the congressman. And so um that was, you know, that was his beginning with this political um arena that he later found himself in. And uh when, you know, looking for a project for his in his senior year, he said he was home and heard the announcement that um the federal government had put out uh the fact that they were doing I-73, a new interstate. And the South Carolina's portion was to start in Wallace, North Carolina, come into the state, join with um Highway 17, okay, and go toward the ocean out the Atlantic. And so um this young man and another, and I I I I um I'm sorry, uh, if I had known I would have brought it, but there was another young man, uh, also a clerk that worked with him. But um Tony primarily did the research and all for this, and came up with a plan that brought following the federal requirements for it. And um he brought it here to our General Assembly, and um he wanted to, you know, introduce it and have South Carolina General Assembly to look at and uh possibly accept his plan because he had indeed done everything that the federal government said that they would do.

SPEAKER_02 37:18

Right.

SPEAKER_00 37:19

And um couldn't get it through. Couldn't get it through because um there were others who had other ideas about what they wanted in in South Carolina, and um their plan, you know, kind of paralleled 95. Okay. And um they kind of brought it from Wallace into Florence. And, you know, by hook and crook, taking, you know, to get it here. Anyway, the uh uh the long and short of it is uh uh Mr. Cooper, like I said, was here in Florence, born here, and I've always known his mom and his dad, um Miss Marsha uh Cooper, and his father is still to this day um the barber in Darlington, South Carolina, Mr. Cooper. And um he brought it to me um a little distressed because he had worked so hard trying to get um you know the members of his delegation to look at it, accept it, and you know, kind of push it through. And like I said, that didn't happen. So um, as I said in the beginning, I'm a listener. And so it wasn't about um what Maggie wanted, it was about this young man who had done this brilliant piece of work, brought it to me in its form where he had the narrative, everything following the rules, and was so disheartened by the fact that they were unwilling to even give it the inspection that he thought that they should have done. And so um talking with others, I decided to, since South Carolina wouldn't do it, uh the actor, Mr. Thompson, was in Congress at the time and was over this committee, transportation, and under which these interstates had come. And so uh I sent it directly to him, and like I said, uh Mr. Cooper had written up a strong, and had I known it, I would have brought it so you can see. But a strong, Florence Morning News had it front page some years ago. Okay, and uh so it is iCar, it's in their archives, and so those of you who might be interested, look it up. Uh-huh. But um I wrote to them and sent them the plan and asked them to review it and to uh um you know to respond to Mr. Cooper about anything that they found or well to be honest, never got a call, never got a letter, anything, but uh back from them. And so um, like uh like Mr. Cooper, this young, brilliant, young black man, right? Um I I I I too had this distress on and I'm saying, I know it just cannot be simply because it's a black man. It cannot be that. When uh he uh during that year called me and and told me that he was told by here in South Carolina that it can't be her. And they are upset that she would go step over us and so but in that following year, this would have been 2002, following the exact route of Mr. Cooper, the federal government came and put up these signs that said, and if you went to the beach anytime from 2002 on, you saw proposed route of I-73. And it was his plan. It was his plan coming entering South Carolina on 38, coming through poor black Marlborough County, coming down to 76, 41, and 501. That same intersection that we go to now, turn Left to go to Dillon, turn right to go to Marion, Lord Marion, Britain's neck, right all down that way on 41. Right. That was the route he had drawn. And um the rest is history.

SPEAKER_01 44:24

Did they they acknowledge that that was his route? Of course not.

SPEAKER_00 44:30

That's why I want to make it make sure that I was a very good idea. That's why I am telling this story because I need all of them to understand that this is the work of a young Florentine from Clark, Atlanta University, that gave us this proposed I-73 route that went on and um, because if you even notice now, it was Myrtle Beach that introduced the representatives from Myrtle Beach that introduced this legislation to name it because it's coming through. That's where he sent it to Myrtle Beach. The I-17, not I-17, Highway 17. There. And portion of Georgetown into Myrtle Beach, where it would end in the Atlantic Ocean. And honey. And I and I think and this this is May. Uh uh, don't bank on it. But part of that is to get the president to give them the funds. Okay. So that's what they've done.

SPEAKER_01 46:20

To give them the funds to help them. So what that has been the whole of all the time, the funding? Uh uh uh yes.

SPEAKER_00 46:31

Primarily. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 46:35

And so 2002 up until well well they they took it.

SPEAKER_00 46:43

I ran for re-election in 04.

SPEAKER_01 46:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 46:48

Uh all the signs came up in 2004. Don't know what happened. Just like we did not know when they put them down. Um they took them up. They went up, and they came down during my re-election.

SPEAKER_01 47:15

And so now they are talking about it again. Yes, with the same plan.

SPEAKER_00 47:23

And this is now the new twist of it. This is now 2026. That was 2002.

SPEAKER_01 47:40

Twenty plus years ago. And it's still not, but oh well, that's an that's a story. Oh, they may not realize the history. Some of the yeah. I know. Because uh the the important part is probably buried.

SPEAKER_00 48:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 48:06

On purpose. We are very good at that. Oh my goodness. Yes. Well, such as it is, but that's another reason we have to continue to push.

egister Vote And Beat The Purge

SPEAKER_00 48:22

Yes, one final request of this audience. Ladies and gentlemen, this year, 26, through the number of primaries, and I am so pleased and so happy that we have been successful as Democrats to be able to win nationwide. We've been able to win primaries because we have been vocal and we have become the listeners that our nation, particularly at this time, needs to have people to understand that no, um, we're talking about affordability and being able to get a job that under this new administration, so many were lost in the opening of your first year in the second term. And particularly black women, the with all of the jobs that were taken away, and you keep saying, oh, they're, you know, they're they're back, and what we've, but that doesn't play out on the grassroot level. Uh we're not enjoying the kind of prosperity they're talking about. That's just not happening. For any of us, this isn't about black folk, it's about that working class. Black, white, Native American, all of us who have to work for a living. Things are not as glorious as they want to have us believe. They keep telling us that, hoping that soon we will believe that. And no, that's not what's happening. So, ladies and gentlemen, so that we can use the power God has blessed us with, we have got to register every family member, every church member, every community member, every work member across the board, I don't care who you are, you've got to come in and work as the as Democrats to make sure, to make sure we continue to win these districts so that we change, and uh even all of the pundits have said, it looks like we will change the house. And I and I do mean the congressional house of representatives, and if with hard work we can do it, we can do that, which will change what is coming out of Washington now. Um wars and anything to get away from dealing with the real deal. Well, you know, we got an administration that doesn't want to deal with the Epstein files. They don't want to deal with affordability that they promised. No, we will start wars without, I mean, just unconstitution. Congress was given the only power to declare a war. But we now have a king, a dictator who is telling us what he wants us to do. And don't question him. And no, God, through our founders, gave us a constitution with a preamble that begins. We, we the people. We the people. And so, people, you got to use, don't squander the power we have been given.

SPEAKER_02 53:50

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 53:50

Make them understand uh we know, we know the history, we know what our past has been, we know what the Constitution guarantees us as women and as people. Yeah, yes, yes. And we need to use it, and certainly if we do what we need to do in 26, we will own 28.

SPEAKER_01 54:28

Well said, well said. And another thing that we have to watch out for, we need to make sure that we are still registered because of the purging.

SPEAKER_00 54:38

Yes, yes, please, people, um, go check. Yes, they will tell you they have to. And if I shows up, you you already see uh the kinds of things that your your your king, your your dictator, who has already given an executive order that how he wants elections run. No, the constitution says the state has that power, not the president, and so please do that. Uh if because if you have not voted in two general elections, okay, you're purged. If you didn't vote last year, go check anyway. If you know you did not participate, then you I'm guaranteed you have been, that is law. If you don't vote in the last two general elections, you're purged. And so with all deliberate speed, you go and then take those people, always go and take people with you to register to vote. Uh uh by executive order, he claims he is ending mail-in ballots. Now, mind you, in America, uh fraudulent voting is not something that happens. Uh we don't have people out here running in to the polls trying to vote because uh uh uh and knowing that they can't vote. Right. That isn't happening. That's why we out here begging you to register them now. Right. And um I don't know that South Carolina has ever had anybody to vote that should not have been voting nationwide. Nationwide out of the 300, well, uh the 334 million of us, right, uh uh you can't find a hundred, you can't find 50 of people who illegally voted. Right.

unknown 57:23

Who what?

SPEAKER_00 57:25

That didn't even make sense. So for you to cut off something like that when you're understanding that seniors who are unable, that's it, they use that's why it was created to begin with, so that you could have mailed in ballots, and now you're gonna end that talking about the number of people who vote, that's why he lost in 20, all of the illegal, the aliens who vote, and by the way, aliens from out of these are immigrants, not an alien.

SPEAKER_01 58:10

Thank you, thank you. Now, um with the voting situation, the identification, the identification that you will need in order to vote, that picture ID and all of that.

SPEAKER_00 58:27

And to be honest, I had voted with my driver's license for me, and I got my voter registration card, but it's in my wallet. I can snatch my driver's license out of the front that's on the front of the wallet. And I've done that for years.

SPEAKER_01 58:49

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 58:50

So uh what he is trying to do is uh um college students who in the past have been able to use their college IDs, which is a picture ID. So they've been, oh, and and and and he's saying no to that. And if you don't have a picture ID, um you've got to uh you've got to find your birth certificates and your uh uh if your name is changed or your wedding certificate and all of these things that he knows. Do you know how many black folk that don't have birth certificates because they were right, they're midwives, and many were filed, many were not.

SPEAKER_01 59:53

And even some of the children whose parents were in the army back in those days that were born in other states, uh-huh. And then they come and it's still difficult to get that.

en Z Misinformation And The Obama Memory

SPEAKER_00 1:00:05

I thank you, yes. And and and see, uh they know that. And that's what they're trying to do is to make sure you don't vote. And so, uh-uh. No, no, no, no. You uh uh God has been too good to each and every one of us. Too many people have died. Ooh, ooh, thank you, cousin. Yes, far too many. Yes, and we stand on their shoulders. Yes, we do. When you think about the fact that we didn't get the right to vote until 1965. Come on. No, no, no, no, you dare not. That was after I was born. Uh thank you! Thank you. Women, white women got the vote the 1820. 19, I'm sorry, 1920. And we were out there marching with them. They got it. We didn't until Dr. King and all of Snick and SCLC, all of them, the black church that marched and and picketed and sat in and got beat up and spat on and water-hosed and dog bitten, all of that, so that you, 64, we got the right for civil rights to be able to check in, live wherever your money would allow you to. And then 65, they didn't stop when we got the Civil Rights Act of 64. They went right on because it said it had no power until we could vote. And in 65, we got that. And so, no, no, no, my brothers and sisters, you stand on their shoulders and you pass that on so your children will know to continue to make sure that that never goes away, that you have a constitutional right to participate in the government of your country.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:47

Now, one last question. What do you think it's going it will take, or what it's going to take in order to convince um the Gen Z and some of the other generations because it's a lot of them are not voting.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:06

And I'm I'm and I'm I'm really, really surprised by voting. Thank you. Gen Z and all voted for Donald J. Trump. Seven percent black women voted for this president.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:45

What do you think attribute to that? The misinformation? Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:50

Exactly, exactly. But praise God, remember 2008, when the world said it could not be done. We black folk and our other brothers and sisters elected Barack Obama to the White House. And nobody, nobody thought that that would happen, but I I can talk about Florence in general. When we went into the bottom, Philadelphia street, uh, all that and that we call it the bottom. When we went into the bottom and registered, registered brothers and sisters who not only registered, they came and stood in line. And 95% of the registered black folk, the highest percentage ever, came across and voted for Barack Obama. And then we lost a little percentage, but 92% came back in 12 and re-elected. And I think that shocked him. Yes, we did it then.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:31

We can do it again. Now you do you um and we I was terrible, um, and he says he would not run again. But if he were to run again, if that were possible, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:46

Oh he would win again. Win again. And the beautiful thing about it, it would be our other brothers and sisters who also. Also would come and re-elect this man. And if you know, I am so encouraged when I see that on used to be Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, all of all of this as they talk about this man, the swagger. Yes, and how we were respected around the world. We were that beacon on the hill. There's this cartoon that I just absolutely love. It's a picture of the Statue of Liberty. And under this present administration, where she had been always holding up her lamp to guide those longing to be free, to come to America standing in the hall. There's this cartoon now, this picture of her where the beacon is down on the ground, her lantern is down on the ground, and sister got two suitcases and said, I'm out of here. We are so far from that. They kill our collecting aliens. Why would you call any other human being?

losing Thanks And Celebrate Women

SPEAKER_01 1:08:05

An alien. I tell you, we could go on and on and on. But Cash is standing up now. Yes. But it We are way over out. Oh that's quite alright. Oh, that's quite alright. There's actually no time limit. But um it has, you know, you are amazing. You are, and I can listen to you all day, all night long, you know. So, but uh, we're gonna save some for later. But you know, you're always welcome to come back, and we will be calling you back. Oh, thank you. Awesome.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:42

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, I love you. Come on, let's let's let's bring it through. Let's bring it out both. Both Mrs. Williams and Glover and um our director who's cutting his eyes at both of us. Mr. William Bill Stoops. Mrs. Stoops. Everyone knows Cat. Yes, indeed. But we want to come back and just grin from ear to ear. Definitely and thank you for doing what must, what must be done.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:28

Amen. Amen. Thank you once again. Thank you. Thank you. Uh, this has been amazing, everyone. So thank you ever so much for watching, viewing native drums. Uh, as I said earlier, we are celebrating women because this is uh Women's History Month. Yes, indeed. So definitely celebrate the woman in your life, whether it be your mother, your wife, your sister, your daughters. Celebrate them and let them know how much you love them and how important they are to you in your life. Have a great evening. And uh this you look watching native drums on uh at Savannah Baptist Church. I was about to say Almighty World on Pipe 1. Make sure you listen, okay? 10 until 3. Have a great evening.