The Playbook Podcast - Live With Prescott Kelly
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The Playbook Podcast - Live With Prescott Kelly
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Live with CR and Lashawn - Dianna and Michael, sittin' in a tree! - Russini and Vrabel saga - What is the trade value for Joe Burrow? - Jalen Hurts, not the leader we thought? - Jokic is the Sabonis we never got - And a lot more
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SPEAKER_01Wish we had that ability.
SPEAKER_03When people ask you, like, if you had a superpower, what would it be? If we could change that, sounds kind of I know coming from this guy. I see my privilege. I'm not I'm not trying to be that guy. That was that was ill time.
SPEAKER_01Oh man.
SPEAKER_03Oh, what is gonna God? What a way to start the show. What's good, everybody? Welcome back to the Playbook Podcast with Prescott Kelly. I'm your host, Prescott Kelly. Today is Thursday, April 9th. Glad to have you back with us. I got LaShawn with me again. CR was supposed to be on today. He's the one who instigated. Well, I technically instigated. He said he would be on. He he's late to the party. He's on CR time.
SPEAKER_01Hopefully he's alright.
SPEAKER_03You what?
SPEAKER_01I said, hopefully he's alright.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I'm sure, I'm sure he's fine. He's just, you know, when you got these kids you don't like, and you got these jobs you don't like, and everything else in between. Um, I was gonna offstage you and I talked about this where we want to talk about the Browns first. Um, I need to stop scrolling on my phone sometimes because I have no idea what's real and what's not. Apparently, Jaden Ivey is retiring. I again I don't want this is probably a satire page, but I don't fully not believe it that Jaden Ivey is retiring to become a prof uh professional that man would never see NBA floor again. You really think that? Yeah, he's CR is in the building. All all we had all we had to do was talk, and CR is gonna pop in. I get it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, he it Jaden Ivey is cooking.
SPEAKER_03It's my calling.
SPEAKER_01He he is never barbecued chicken.
SPEAKER_04All three of us are playing the NBA before his ass do. Exactly.
SPEAKER_03Do you guys you guys really think that he's done?
SPEAKER_04You can't he's not good enough to not be done.
SPEAKER_03See that that that I think is always interesting because like the religious component always feels like there's a reason why somebody will take you. Like that was kind of the Tim Tebow effect, is because people liked him enough and because of the whole religious factor that he was able to hang around just long enough, even though we knew at the professional level he wasn't good enough. But he was like a top five, six pick, but even to like Detroit didn't want him, and he's did he's declined in usage every single year. So I get I get what you guys are saying, but I feel like at some point in time, if he's like if he goes over season hoops for a bit and just keeps his mouth shut, that he might have an avenue back in. No, we just done with him, bro.
SPEAKER_04You cannot talk about the community like that.
SPEAKER_01You you can't do that, especially with the way these owners are set up. You can't be that outspoken like that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, look at me, Trump. Y'all think be a bum real quick.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you can't be a bum, and I don't agree with what he said. I'm just saying, I mean, I get it, I get where you're coming from. Right you will you would like to see him get another chance, but no, uh-uh, like his wife is about to leave him.
SPEAKER_04And then yo, I mean like everything he's done is so cringy, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Your mom coaches at at a pretty prestigious college for the women's basketball program, and you send up out here doing this, man. Like, come on, man.
SPEAKER_03Well, see, and that was one thing like I hope that y'all had a good Easter, but I had put up and like CR don't comment much on the uh the talking points, but he's like, they taking up parking spots, and that was the most CR thing I've ever heard with Easter Christians on Easter and Christians on Christmas.
SPEAKER_04Bro, I had to park in the auxiliary uh the off lock, you know what I'm trying to say on Sunday. That shit pissed me off. Like, I'm here every week. I should have a reserve spot.
SPEAKER_01I was with I was just about to ask you, do you got a reserve spot there?
SPEAKER_03Well, see, that's what I've always the thing is I I again and you guys have talked about like we talked about this at certain times. I'm not a religious person, I don't hate on anybody who is. What I have a problem with is people hiding behind of it and the illusion of the Bible and religion. And I feel like if you only go to church on Christmas and only go to church on Easter, you're basically treating it like Valentine's Day. You're trying to make up for everything else that everything bad that you did throughout the entire year. You're trying to make up for for one day, and I'm not down with that.
SPEAKER_01Understandable, like I get where you're coming from. Like, I'm not the type that you know, I'm not religious or anything. Like, I used to be like my mom, and I had a good friend that used to want me to go to church every Sunday and everything, and it's just like, here I am, I'm falling asleep in church because I find it kind of boring. I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_03Well, that that wasn't the avenue that I took, like as far as and I think I've mentioned it here. I know I talked about it on the Paul Wizard show last week. Was I was raised very religious, but at a very young age, when you're in church and you're you know 11, 12, 13 years old, and your your pastor's saying please be with the cowboys as they pay as they face the Panthers to pay off my camoy.
SPEAKER_01I start to have a little bit of you know you know, you your ears open up, your ears open up. You you know what you're seeing, you know what you're hearing.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it was just uh I thought that that was a very I up, but I'm with also going to an all-white church. You thought that your church was boring, good lord, it was just like peace be with you.
SPEAKER_01They they want you to be there for like two, three hours, and I'm like, nah, man, I'm at an hour's tops, man. After that, I'm aggravated, I'm ready to get up out of here.
SPEAKER_03I'm actually kind of impressed that so many people still go to church because of the attention span that we have nowadays. Like these kids are just like that's why I I do feel like the ones who go are brainwashed because like ain't no kid have that kind of uh brain capacity to stay still for that long about any subject matter, regardless of what it is. No, no way.
SPEAKER_04I'm saying my kids are kidding children's church. That's like a break. Yeah, they go right to children's church, I get a break from them.
SPEAKER_01Set your fantasy lineups while you're at church, CR.
SPEAKER_04I like to sit in the top deck. Huh?
SPEAKER_02LeChawn just did what I said is the whole reason why I stopped wanting to go to church. Set your fantasy lineup.
SPEAKER_01Set your fantasy lineups while you're at church with the pew-pews.
SPEAKER_04I do, I make parlays and everything, and I ask God to bless them. That's all please. Lord, please let this parlay hit. Let me get this 50k today. You know how bad I need this money. You know, you know my daughter got accepted into this program at Harvard. And Cameron got accepted into this program at Harvard for the summer. That's that's 5k. I need these parlades to hit.
SPEAKER_01Understandable.
SPEAKER_03Look, I know I know we've been on different things.
SPEAKER_01I will be texting y'all a link for a fundraiser later. Oh shit. Go ahead and buy this popcorn. Oh, that that's nothing.
SPEAKER_03So I wanted to again, I need to stop scrolling my phone because I wasn't sure if that was even real or not. But um, one thing that's not on the docket because that we were waiting for you, CR, and like not to chastise you, but it was it was my idea, then your idea, and LaShawn was the first one on. Was I want to get to the Cleveland Browns first before everything that's on the docket. What is the worst case scenario for Cleveland this year? Because I feel like the worst case scenario, Sarah, you ain't gotta go away. You can stay here. I wasn't trying, I wasn't trying to be mean, but uh um I feel like the worst case scenario for them is that because of the money and because they put so much into him that they're gonna start him week one, and if he actually looks relatively good, uh-oh. Are we in the mode where we might have to extend him? Like not to the same money that they already gave him because they're not extending him, I know that much.
SPEAKER_01I'll I'm gonna just go out there and just say it right now. I don't personally, I don't see him winning the competition. You are not about to be out two and a half years with two, I'll say two horrific injuries. One was as a rare bone in your shoulder that you shouldn't be breaking, because that's gonna pretty much have your shoulder cooked, and you tore your Achilles not once but twice.
SPEAKER_03So also his heart's broken too, though. Yeah, John's heart's broken. But I mean, it's I I do think like in the back of my mind, there's something in me that still says we've we we're paying him this is the last year of his contract, right? Of the extension, yeah, so there's part of me that thinks they're gonna say we've already dug ourselves so big of a hole. Why not? Like, why not start him? See if he looks good, maybe somebody wants because you know, I know that you're shaking your head, but one thing that we both know is that NFL coaches and coordinators thinks they think it they look at broken quarterbacks as like the broke boyfriend, I can fix him. And if he even looks remotely good, to me that's that's the biggest problem. I'm not saying that this is going to happen, but if that's the route they go, is we're paying him this much money, we might as well try them out there, see what we got. The problem to me is like if he looks remotely good, is another NFL team gonna trade for him? Are the Browns gonna give him more money?
SPEAKER_01Like, I do if they are the Browns, the Browns will trade him.
SPEAKER_03If I'm the Browns, I don't even put myself in that situation because I would rather just get out and I know the devil that I know, I'd rather just not play him at all and put myself in that predicament. But I feel like they have dug themselves such a deep hole that they have to at least try to get out of it somehow.
SPEAKER_01The way they get up out of it somehow is Shador starts and Shador's look good. Hey Watson, you already got your contract money, you got a nice parting gift. Good luck up out there, my guy. I'm just surprised they didn't release him this offseason, but at the same time, they didn't want to have to pay him 135 million dollars to go away.
SPEAKER_03There does become a threshold where you go, we want this problem to go away, but at what cost? So I understand like letting letting that kind of simmer and playing it out, which uh what about you, CRD? Is there any chance that you see that Deshaun Watson plays again for Cleveland, starts, and they try to move him? Because my whole thing is like I just don't know. I'm looking at it from everybody's angle, and I feel like they would give him a shot. I don't think they should, but I think they would.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, he was looking at it from all angles. Yeah, yeah, make sure he got a lot of people. That's what the playbook podcast is about. This is aggro crack, baby. No, the start of week one.
SPEAKER_01I don't I'm telling y'all, for the start, he ain't gonna be starting week one. Sierra, did you say I'm gonna let you guys know this right now? The OTA starts here in a few weeks for the Browns because they got a new head coach. We're gonna see, we're gonna hear that Shador is getting majority of the reps. He's gonna be the starter. That listen, the only reason why Ty got this head coaching job is because he vouched to play Shador. It ain't Watson. They just making it sound good that Watson is gonna get a change. Watson is not getting a change, y'all.
SPEAKER_03You don't think he has I don't know, man. Like, I I feel like he's gonna get one. So in this in this hypothetic, Shador starts week one. What if they we talked about this a little bit when it came to the head coaching stuff with with Grable? We'll get to that in a moment. Like, what if the Browns start one and three and Shador looks awful? You think that Watson gets a uh gets a run then? Because I do. You keep playing them, you want to just go for the number one pick. Just be bad, be bad, and be bad on purpose.
SPEAKER_01Jimmy Haslam has his hand in Pei Manning's pocket because he wants his nephew. Wow. I don't listen. You want my honest opinion? I don't see Archie as being a franchise like a uh Andrew Luck, Matthew Stafford, Caleb Williams type of quarterback. I hate everybody's high expectations last year, and here it is like, yeah, he played better at the end of the season, and now he's gonna put a bigger target up on his back heading into next season with Texas. So I'm like, in my opinion, there's gonna be five or six quarterbacks who's gonna get selected in the first round next year. You just better make sure you get the right team.
SPEAKER_03I know that we hear that we hear that a lot where it's like it's it's a quarterback heavy. But this is what irritates the hell of me about just like the draft in general is the fact that we say it seems like every single damn year we hear it's a weak quarterback draft, but four go in the first round, damn near every year, anyways.
SPEAKER_01Listen, you remember that 2018 draft? That was the Baker, Baker, Josh, Lamar, um Josh Rose. That that was that draft. They're comparing next year's draft to that class.
SPEAKER_03But that's an even still, like that's kind of an You said why?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I'm I like saying you're gonna have all those quarterbacks that's gonna be going into that draft. They're gonna have two plus years of starting experience. You're not gonna have the one year, like what who went number one? Anthony Richardson. One year starter, he went top five.
SPEAKER_03No, every quarterback, you're gonna have Dante Moore, Archie, you're gonna have um the quarterback for Oregon, South Carolina, Gillen Dabriel, because I call him that all the time. I don't even know who the Oregon quarterback is, but his now his name now is Gillen Dabriel.
SPEAKER_01He's Dante Moore, and guess what? He's from Cleveland, so I'm surprised that Browns fans weren't vouching for him to go into the draft.
SPEAKER_03So I'm is he from Cleveland or is he from Akron, aka No, he he was he was born in Cleveland.
SPEAKER_01Born in Cleveland, then moved out to like the suburbs, then moved to Michigan.
SPEAKER_03Zrem uh Zrem Sean says Shador is gonna be the starter, period. I just I just don't like dealing in absolutes, is my whole thing. Like there's there's a lot of things that could happen, and I'm not a Deshaun Watson defender, but I just know I know at one point in time we thought of him as the guy.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And if he got his mind right and his body's right, it's but those those are all huge, huge, crazy ifs, though. Like that that's a that is the biggest parlay of all time. If he got his mind right, if his body's right, if he can still play.
SPEAKER_01The game move on without you, man. The game move on without you.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Death, taxes, and football being undefeated when it comes to how good you actually are.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, exactly. Like you can't be on a sideline for two and a half years and think saying you still got it. Nah, the game is too fast, man.
SPEAKER_03I think that the the only reason why like I still have a little bit in my mind is because I do like if I had never seen him be what I thought he, if I never saw what he actually was, I'd be in your camp 100% without any doubt. But the problem is I saw what Deshaun Watson was at the highest of his powers, and the problem also is when he got to Cleveland, that offensive roster was cheeks.
SPEAKER_01So it was bad, dog. He had Amari, all right. This is what I always say. He had Amari Cooper, he had David Njoku, still had Nick Chubb, the offensive line was still there.
SPEAKER_03He comes in Joku wasn't Njoku yet, though.
SPEAKER_01Like but as soon as Watson went down, we started seeing Cooper, Njoku. Of course, Nick Chubb was still producing, and all of a sudden, with uh what's his name? Joe Flacco, all of a sudden, Flacco gets us to the playoffs, and you're not gonna be able to get the biggest. He was getting everybody involved, he kept the offense on schedule. That's what he had nothing.
SPEAKER_03The the thing is like I feel like there's a mental thing that goes along with it, right? He's now what 49? I'm I'm largely joking, but any contract that he gets is just a blessing in disguise. He's got nothing to worry about. He's slinging it to everyone, and he was he was throwing it to Kenneth Byers. Like he didn't care.
SPEAKER_01Just hey, just get rid of it. Just he got a art monk. I saw him throw it to Art Monk twice. Like he got into the playoffs somehow, some way. Watson. I'll say his last game before he got hurt against the Ravens. You thought something was clicking then, but when that injury happened, I was just like, Yeah, that's the Cleveland way. You you you try to put your hoe behind a quarterback and you get shit on 42 times since 1999. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03What about you, Sierra, before we move on? Deshaun Watson? Should I cue the music like you're talking to uh to Detroit?
SPEAKER_04No, I don't need to talk to PP, man. Like he uh I don't know. The last time we saw him, he was trash. The last time he was in Houston, he was trash. He's been trash for a minute.
SPEAKER_03It's been like four or five years since he's been legitimately good. Oh hell no.
SPEAKER_01Oh I'm not I'm not gonna say it up on here, but I I know what you said. I'm not gonna say it up on here because I'm not about to get canceled.
SPEAKER_02I know what you're gonna cancel the channel, dog.
SPEAKER_01Do you? This in order for tiger to get his mojo back, he had to start, you know, going with the bitches.
SPEAKER_04He was pulling out with his teeth, he was like, eh, get it out of there.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, maybe the shiny well, he got married now, so he can't do that.
SPEAKER_04The tiger blood. Yeah, have you had that hot sauce by the way? It's a hot sauce called Tiger Blood. There is, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Then I'll leave my review to myself.
SPEAKER_01Then I'm gonna have to look this up, man. I never heard I'm on I'm on Google now looking up tiger's.
SPEAKER_03It's the thing is like it's it's not it's not great. The thing is, I I I put hot sauce, like you know, the whole Franks thing is that I put that on everything. Uh-huh. I put hot sauce. If it's not basically cereal, I'll put hot sauce on everything. And tiger's blood is like, it's just there's like there's no flavor to it.
SPEAKER_01Ah, okay.
SPEAKER_03But anyway, so it's I mean, it's it's not even that hot, it's just it's just not good. Just if I think what they did, if I remember right, that the the the timing was around when Tiger King dropped from Netflix. Oh, because I never I had never seen the hot sauce beforehand. I'm not saying it wasn't there, but I never noticed it until like 2021, and that's when I bought it. Because I I'll I'll I'll dig in, I'll I'll see what the hype's about or see why this thing is here. It just wasn't that good though. But I want to get into this this Diana Rossini and uh Mike Vrabel thing. I made the joke about how you know if if Rabes would have won that Super Bowl, he wouldn't be in this position, right? But to dig into it deeper, because I don't know the timeline of when they met. I also know the timeline of when Diana Rossini really got to the height of her powers. And we I I mentioned this with Joy Taylor as well as like Joy Taylor always had like kind of the fallback of like, well, your brother is Jason Taylor. Like her the reason why she got into her powers, I feel initially was because of what we would call nepotism. But then you see that it's a beautiful black woman on TV, and she makes some good points, and then she starts to validate herself. But then we get everything that's wild through Fox News as far as what she also had done, and then we go to Diana Rossini, who with Rabel, two married people. But is she is she where she got because of what she did, or did she do it to get to where she got, then stopped, and then her and raves us had a vibe. I don't know what the deal is because I feel like the there the glass ceiling to me still exists in sports when it comes to women and especially women of color trying to get to a certain point because they're still looked at as like this. This is a men's dominated field. So I understand, like trying to do what you gotta do to get to the next level, but at the same time, it's you gotta have some who you are as a person, like it's it's it's a very convoluted talking point, really.
SPEAKER_04You're right. I've seen all the videos come out, like she just she disrespectful as hell. Exactly.
SPEAKER_03Diana is yeah, yeah, because the thing is, I have not I have not done any research on this. I saw her enved and that was it, and I've seen the memes, but I have no idea what's actually factual.
SPEAKER_01A lot of people are doing a lot of digging up there on on Twitter.
SPEAKER_03See, I don't I don't I don't uh I don't dive into that cesspool.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, she was she said on one like she said on that on ESPN, like you know, she she tells her husband that you know she needs a boyfriend, like bro.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and that she actually tweets that out. She treated that out. Okay, and and I'm gonna just say this right now. I'm gonna just say it goes past Vrabel, like it before I'll say before this whole Vill episode came out, there was a rumor that she was with Sean McBay back when he was in Washington.
SPEAKER_03Whoa, really?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03So when I first labeled this episode, I was gonna preface it with I don't mean anything disrespectful to Diana. It was just I thought a clever play on words for an episode. But apparently, this this Diana really is dirty.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean to when you're in the in that type of business, you do what you gotta do to, especially as a woman, to get ahead. To get to get to that spot, you you gotta do what you gotta do. Now, if you're a single woman like Joy Taylor was and everything, alright, fine and dandy. But Diana, she's married, and she's been married for a few years now. She got two kids with her husband, and like now all of this comes out, and it's just in my opinion, as the husband, what do you do? What do you say to her?
SPEAKER_03Well, I think what's wild is that if she's already because again, I'm not I don't follow a lot of people, like the whole celebrity thing doesn't really intrigue me. So the fact that she's been that open before him, maybe he's just okay with it because of the bread that she makes.
SPEAKER_01He's a cup, then.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I wasn't gonna say that word, but I'm glad that you did. But I was thinking it.
SPEAKER_01So he's he's over there in the corner sitting in the chair watching.
SPEAKER_04It's like that weak ass boys to men line. I knew you were up with that other guy, I just didn't care. Like you bitch.
SPEAKER_01Oh my goodness, you know I love you. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_03We belong together.
SPEAKER_01You let you know that I'm right. Ain't no way, man. I can't have somebody that I'm supposed to be laid up with embarrassing me like that publicly, privately, can't do it.
SPEAKER_03Well, then again, so like I never knew that those things existed, but if obviously he would know that that she's doing that to him publicly, and to be doing it for that many years is one that man must have no skills to go get his own money or to get another woman. He's just like, This is the best I can do in life, I'll just take it. That's crazy to me. It is. I've like he's he's a Kevin Fetterline of NFL women.
SPEAKER_01Like, that's crazy to me. Like, when you see all these tweets and everything, like, yeah, there's a few jokes, but there's a trail. There's a trail of tweets, like of her saying like that.
SPEAKER_03That was so well done. The trail of treats and the trail of tweets. You you nailed it. I'm not sure if you did that on purpose, but I appreciate it.
SPEAKER_01It's I got a kick out of it. It's hilarious to me because it's a lot of fans will find a lot of shit, man. Especially you can't really delete your tweets, so it is what it is.
SPEAKER_03I'm just I'm I'm so fascinated by like because again, the timeline to me is what is more interesting, like what what they're saying and what they're doing doesn't really interest me. It's the timeline of like when like when did it start? Did you get into the career first on your own merit, and then you started doing these things to try to get to climb the the the ladder faster, or did you initiate it that way and then stopped? But apparently that's not the Diana Rossini way, it's the Patriot way, but it's not the Diana Rossini way, Patriot way, but yeah, like she got her foot into the door, she started off at Fox, went over to ESPN, now she's with the athletic.
SPEAKER_04You just gotta be careful, that's all.
SPEAKER_03Like Verbal tootin' and booting then straight to Huey with the tootha thing up.
SPEAKER_01As I said up during the group chat, if the Patriots have a bad year, you already know what's gonna happen.
SPEAKER_03And that and that's exactly what we talked about in the chat. I said, look, man, by May 1, they're gonna forget about this. But once training this is how the cycle always goes, man, by May 1, everybody's gonna forget about it. We got we're gonna have the NBA playoffs starting in June, like these things are gonna happen, or May and whatever, or actually at the end of April, I guess. But um, we're gonna have that, we're gonna have the draft. So there's there'll be a little bit of a spike right then and there, and then it'll dip off, and then training camps will happen, and then it'll spike up again, then I'll dip out. And as long as the Patriots aren't worse than two and two, they'll get swept under the rug again, rinse and repeat.
SPEAKER_01Let the Patriots miss the playoffs.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I would love that. The there would be no bigger winner in that. Well, I shouldn't say bigger winner than me, but it just goes, it does lean into how I've always viewed sports. It's like just because you did one thing once, don't mean you're gonna do it again. Yeah, like Dan Campbell is the ultimate guy with that. I made I made a lot of fun of Dan Campbell in the past, and I have no problem admitting that because I feel like he's a cartoon character. But when he said there's no guarantee we're getting back here, that was like that was the realest that anybody's ever said, and he meant it.
SPEAKER_01Because everybody, I'm not gonna say everybody, but a lot of fans think that it's so easy.
SPEAKER_03Well, it's it's the one they think it's easy, and two, they just dumb it down to well, if you got if if you won seven games last year, you can only win eight, right? You can only get better thinking that nobody else got better. It's the it's the it's the lowest common, it's the lowest IQ thinking I can ever think of is like you can only get better. Okay, so if everybody only gets better, that means that the Patriots win the Super Bowl next year and the Seahawks go to what Mars? Like, what do you do? Like, if you've already won it, what are you supposed to do after the fact? Like, it's it's such a dumb theory to me.
SPEAKER_01It's never easy. It is never easy.
SPEAKER_03No, and I I mean it's not supposed to be, but it's just I I would love because I and the only reason why I say that is a victory left me personally is like I remember when the Bengals you like you posted this and then re-tagged me in a few weeks ago, and I was like, the Bengals aren't making the playoffs next year when they made it to Super Bowl and lost, I said they didn't make it to the playoffs next year, and I got laughed at the building. They ain't been in the playoffs since.
SPEAKER_01They haven't. And now Joe is up there in the hot seat along with his head coach.
SPEAKER_03You think Burrow is on the hot seat? Because I don't think so.
SPEAKER_01Because he's gonna listen, if they have another losing season, he's gonna ask for a trade.
SPEAKER_03Oh, you think so?
SPEAKER_01He ain't gonna want to be in Cincinnati too much.
SPEAKER_03Dude, if he if Joe Burrow asks for a trade, he's going for 93 first-round picks.
SPEAKER_01So that's the reason why the Browns wanted to go from three to five first-round picks.
SPEAKER_03Yo, he's gonna if he asks for a trade, it's gonna make the Ricky Williams trade look like a dwarf.
SPEAKER_01Because he the Bengals will have a lot of suitors.
SPEAKER_03Oh, for sure. Like we it's weird because we're in a we're in a place right now in the NFL where we think that there's so many good quarterbacks, right? Like when you do a top 10, I think that most people universally have like four or five, or like the top four to five are kind of interchangeable, but it's the same four or five guys, right? But then you start getting into like six through twelve or thirteen, and it's all circumstance. Yep. So when we get to this thing, like if Joe Everybody thinks they the new thing is just get the mid-level quarterback, right? Like, we'll be we can because Sam Darnold, it just happened because you won with Sam Darnold, you think you can win with anybody, but there's so many teams that would also give up their left arm, or in Mike Vrabel's case, they give up their to get Joe Burrow.
SPEAKER_01I'll never forget he said that in Tennessee, man. He should have been fired on the spot for saying that, especially in Tennessee.
SPEAKER_03The thing is, like you you weren't doing that in Tennessee anymore. No, you weren't doing anything in Tennessee, but actually talking about Tennessee now. I this what this also wasn't on the on the docket, but you being from Cleveland and LeBron's comments about them moving the Grizzlies from Memphis to Nashville. Did you think he was out of pocket for it?
SPEAKER_01I don't think he's out of pocket, but I get where he he wasn't the only one that that's hit it. It's a lot of it's a lot of NBA players that said it. But at the same time, those players, they're they're not just talking about the city of Memphis, they're talking about more than the hotel and what goes on around there because there's a few stories that a few NBA players have been robbed coming from the practice facility, going across the street to the hotel. Like on that's bow, especially down there.
SPEAKER_03It's so weird because like again, like looking at from everybody's angle, like basketball itself means something in Memphis. Yeah, like it does, like hoops matter down there. Um but from a corporate uh version of it, no, it don't. No, it like it doesn't work there. Like I feel like he's also I feel like Braun was like he's he's a good messenger, but also sometimes he's the wrong messenger, especially at that point because it's him playing golf with a bunch of white dudes and just getting real casual. So I understand how the backlash could come from him while also still agreeing with it. But just because Braun says it doesn't mean it's gonna happen, though. It's just a dude voicing his. Oh, he was trying to pull a uh an art model, yeah.
SPEAKER_01And the rest of the NBA owners told him that you can't do that, you can't move the team to Las Vegas. And the Memphis owner was like, here, I'll give you guys extra money to relocate. And it was like, no, we're not doing it.
SPEAKER_03So now that you mentioned, because I didn't know that, do you think that one of the reasons why that got nixed is because the they already knew about the expansion and there's no reason to move it there because of that plan?
SPEAKER_01Yep, they'll get another billionaire in there to to handle that that team with that location.
SPEAKER_03CR had like eight workers behind him.
SPEAKER_04I um I think moving to the Nashville is not a bad idea. Like I don't like it. I think Nashville decent city. Sorry, you were cut down a bit. You you you don't think it's a bad idea? No, to move to Nashville, absolutely not. Yeah, like the predators are you know, they love the predators. I don't see why they wouldn't love the grizzlies.
SPEAKER_03I mean, they barely tolerate the Titans.
SPEAKER_01I mean they're building a new stadium there, a new football stadium.
SPEAKER_03So what they should do is move them back to Houston, and then the Texans can go like to San Antonio or something.
SPEAKER_04St. Louis St. Louis deserves nothing.
SPEAKER_00That is great.
SPEAKER_03That is the only reason why he said that is because Detroit already has a football team. Take away their water. Damn. He's the Donald Trump of Michigan. He just like take all the resources.
SPEAKER_04Some very fine people.
SPEAKER_03Uh only only Jake Strand. He's the only fine people there. But the other talking point that I had was um I was thinking about this the other day. Uh when it comes to Jokic, because he really is like a one-of-a-kind kind of player. But when I was looking back on things, I thought, man, he was he's the dude that we thought we were getting with Arvidus Sabonis. And I'm really bummed that Arvidas wasn't able to play as long. One, he got into the league late, being from Europe.
SPEAKER_01He was like 30 when he got into the league.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, he was old as hell when he came over, and then the injuries happened. But like, I feel like if we would have got young Arvidas, the game would have we would have been so much the NBA, I'm sorry, would have been so much ahead of schedule when it comes to like what we've got now with Jokic. We would have been there in like 2005 as opposed to 2012 or 15 or 16, whatever the case was.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I get where you're coming from. I mean, Jokic is not he's not gonna win an MVP this season, even though his his stats are outstanding.
SPEAKER_03And who's your MVP, by the way? Now that you mentioned that.
SPEAKER_01It's SGA. SGA is gonna win it.
SPEAKER_03Now, is that who you think is gonna win, or is that who you believe should be MVP?
SPEAKER_01That's who's gonna win. That's who the media is gonna give it to. Like, to be honest, I would not be surprised if it goes SGA Wimby Jokic.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I feel like that's how it how it's probably gonna lay out as well. See how what you got?
SPEAKER_04Same. I think it's gonna be SGA Wimby Jokic. The real MVP to me is Jaden Brown, but he's not gonna be.
SPEAKER_01I get where you're coming from, but that's why I hate throw out the team record, throw that shit out. Didn't nobody expect Boston to be this good this season. Nope. They thought they thought Boston would be a fringe playoff team. At best.
SPEAKER_03But I think that's what I think that's what CR is getting to, is like we had them as a maybe a play-in team, and they're the what they're the two-seed right now.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, they're the two seed in the east. No, no, Tatum. Drew's gone, Porzingis is gone. Like, you cut it. It looked like they were trying to tank.
SPEAKER_03And then there's no way they there's no way that you can have a of a white dude named Peyton and your team be good, and they're good.
SPEAKER_01Peyton Pritcher can't go wrong. They they are good.
SPEAKER_04Like, if you're gonna compare Caitlin Clark to him. Wait, who did what? Freddie Miller said Caitlin's Clark game reminds him of Peyton Pritcher. I don't know what to do with that comment.
SPEAKER_01It was the dumbest shit he didn't say. That's that's what that's why you you you can't go to these old, like I'm not okay, it's only with the NBA players. The old NBA players, they are gonna say some shit that's gonna make you angry, that's gonna have you angry. That they are always hating on the the new generation, the younger generation. You don't have to worry about with the NFL players, you don't have to worry about that with the Major League Baseball players. But when it comes to these NBA players, oh no, they they got none but hating their heart towards the new players.
SPEAKER_03I have a theory behind that too. It's Dr.
SPEAKER_01J's fault. It was Dr. J's fault because he started it pretty much, him and Will Chamberlain. Ain't no Michael Jordan.
SPEAKER_03So one there's that. I wasn't really thinking about it from like the the older players saying it initially. My the way that I approached it was because basketball is such, even though it is obviously a team sport, it is the most isolated and individual of all the team sports. And I think that because everybody at one point in time was regarded as the best player at their high school or you know their AAU team or college, that they have a hard time taking the seat back and saying, like, well, back when I did it, I I did that, I got us there. And when it comes to other sports, like it is like you maybe pitchers have that kind of confidence when if you're talking to them after they retire, but I feel like Coopers are just man, if coach would have put me in, if coach would have if he didn't not like me, I would have done this. Like, there's there's an individual ego to me that just accentuates harder in basketball. And I feel like that's why as we get older too, we want to be remembered. And I think that basketball is the the team sport that really kind of drives home the well back in my day, is because you're not thinking about things like the rules and everything, you're thinking about how you played and how people regarded you before you got to an other elite people with shortened rosters and shortened availability. That's the way that I look at it.
SPEAKER_01I get it, I get where you're coming from. Is again Reggie Miller shouldn't have said that, man. There is no reason to hate hate on Caitlin Clark like that. Like Caitlin Clark's banana shit. To be honest, I would not be surprised if Caitlin Clark led her team to the WNBA finals this season, man. I would MVP like she goes bonkers, like she'll probably have like two or three 50-point games this season because that's how good she is.
SPEAKER_04Okay, hold on, hold on. I mean, they look damn good with Kelsey at the helm last week. You're right, you're right, you're right. You know, we gotta see how she fits back in. And she is a turnstyle on defense.
SPEAKER_01She, I mean, this is the reason why I always say when it comes to her and Paige, I will always take Paige because I know Paige is gonna put in the effort on that defensive end. Right, she ain't good either, but at least she tries.
SPEAKER_04She's trying.
SPEAKER_03So she's Steph Curry, she ain't good, but she tried.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah. And and Caitlin is James Hart.
SPEAKER_03It's Luca. Caitlin's Luca.
SPEAKER_01It's because in the WNBA, everybody got skills up out there. You can't hide. You cannot hide.
SPEAKER_02We're gonna find out. I got Atlanta.
SPEAKER_01What's that? I got Atlanta. You got Atlanta. Oh man, hell no.
SPEAKER_03Oh, he went to straight peace up eight time down.
SPEAKER_01Oh I can't I can't go with you on that. I gotta see how the rest of this free agency is gonna go. True, true story, true story. Like, I see that New York, they they got their their two big pieces back, but what's gonna happen with John Quill? That's a huge one. That that's a I'm waiting to see what the Ace is gonna do too. Let's see what the Ace is gonna do.
SPEAKER_04Can you afford Jackie and Chelsea? So who are you going to do?
SPEAKER_03I'm glad that I'm glad that you guys can talk women's hoops because I'd be like, uh, can the Houston Comments and Tamika Ketchin still win this year?
SPEAKER_01They'll be back in 2028. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Lisa Leslie and the Sparks, how we doing there?
SPEAKER_01The comics will be back. The Rockers from Cleveland will be back. So that's why I'm kind of I'm very happy that they got the CBA contract that they wanted. Because now with the they're going to get another huge TV deal because of more teams being involved in the league. And more money being involved means higher contracts. And they they really deserved it. I just hate when a lot of dudes up on social media be like, they don't deserve anything. They ain't bringing in no money. They got the W, they got the NBA helping them out. Like, of course, the NBA is gonna help them out because they at the same time, they are expanding. As much as they keep expanding, let's just say if it gets up to I say about 20 teams in about five years, who's not to say that there be around like a hundred billion dollars to bring in?
SPEAKER_03How many teams are the WAM and WMA right now? Is it 16?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, well, it's going to be 16 this season because they got two teams coming in. You got a team from Toronto that's coming in.
SPEAKER_04And then it's like a team every year or every other year for the next like until 2030. Yep.
SPEAKER_03See, and uh from a from a business model, because again, I I I don't this is not this is not a diss on women's basketball. It's like I just don't watch on the time to really consume everything. My my my fanhood and my fan width is only so deep. Um but from a business model, I think that that's the right way to do things. Sometimes you can overexpand and it dilutes a product or it it doesn't meet a need in an environment or a or a location. So I think that adding another team every couple of years, I think, is a good way. Now I think that seeding is gonna be weird because if you have an odd number of teams on one conference and an even on the other, that might kind of be a juxtaposition of how how are we gonna do seeding for playoffs. But I mean, overall, as a business model, adding one or two teams um every few years, I feel like that that that's the way to expand that that particular product with the WNBA.
SPEAKER_01Like, okay, the uh Connecticut team, they're gonna move down to Houston. So that's gonna put another team, you're gonna have another Detroit team, but at the same time, I look at it this way with the game expanding, and then you got college basketball happening, and you see all the talent outside of UConn and South Carolina, because they're like Hodego from Notre Dame, Betts, uh, Booker down in Texas. Like, there is some talent there, and when no by them coming into the WNBA, it's not just all congested only to a few teams. There's gonna be a lot of talent spread throughout the league.
SPEAKER_03Oh, see how you mean it.
SPEAKER_04A lot of those women, there's there's a lot of women that aren't in the league and they can hoop, but there's just not enough roster control.
SPEAKER_01Yep. And that's that's another reason why the CBA helps them a lot now. Because normally you can cut a first-round pick and it won't hurt your team. Now, by them getting selected, they're guaranteed a spot and it guarantee their salary.
SPEAKER_03I think that that's one of the reasons why I that I kind of champion for expansion is will the the product be the same? No, but there's a lot of there's a lot of people, regardless of gender or whatever, who can play the sport at a very high level. And yes, sometimes they're politics, yes, sometimes you peaked in high school, so you got to go to a great school, and your name recognition still carries you into the professional leagues. Yeah, there's part of that. Uh, we also see that some people don't work as hard, you know, because it came to them so easy at the lower levels. Once you become a professional, you don't have the same drive, you're you're you've made it, you've got your guaranteed money, and now you're done. I feel like expansion does help, or just different leagues help because there's so many people who can play and are driven that why not have some some other expansion either in the league that you're in or have supplemental leagues to act as like a minor league system. I think it's weird that the like major league baseball has a college league and then multiple you know, farm systems, but like minor league systems. But we don't really have that or care about that in any other sport, really. I think it's kind of banana system.
SPEAKER_01You want to know something? All right, well, Major League Baseball, there's they got an international pull. NBA, you still got international pull, but at the same time, they NBA has the G-League, but with Major League Baseball, they have all these minor league teams that you you so much hoops you gotta go through just to make it to the majors. Like, all right, I look at I've been bitching about the Guardians. They used the number one pick up on this kid. They brought him up Yeah, they got him down in double A, triple A. And I'm like, I'm looking at the same guys from his draft class make it to the major leagues way before him. And I know why they're doing it, and I hate it because the arbitration, what's that? The arbitration, the arbitration, is you can say the service manipulation, the service requirements, yeah. Because you have to serve like what five years before you can get yeah, and and and at bottom bringing them up like after May 1st, that that can hold them over for another year.
SPEAKER_03That was the whole Chris Bryant situation back in like 17, like that was a huge issue back in the day.
SPEAKER_01Like, get rid of that rule, man. And that's another reason why you don't see some of the I'll say the minor league players that that rightfully deserve to make it to the majors because the teams want to hold them down, and now by them holding them down, let's say they get injured or they don't play at in a consistent level now. The organization's like, we can just be done with them, we could just move on without them.
SPEAKER_03Do you think it's the reason why the pirates did because again, I I haven't do I I don't even remember the kid's name, but I know they got they got skins who so he's he's what 19 and already getting MLB reps due to the but see this is the thing the reason why they brought him up now is because he agreed to the contract that they gave him, and it's a terrible deal for him long term.
SPEAKER_01But see, this is the thing.
SPEAKER_04Like, I think what was the contract that he signed, though?
SPEAKER_01Nine years, 140 million. He'll be 28 by the end of that deal.
SPEAKER_04And they bought out three years of free agency.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, bought out three years of free agency. Let's just say if he his first six years, he's an elite player. If he had hit the free agent market, what he'd have been what, 25, 26 years old? He'd have got hit the free agent market. Who's not to say that the Dodgers or the Mets or the Yankees throw a blank check at him?
SPEAKER_04By that time, we look at $300, $800, $900 million by that time. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03So do you so you think that what he signed was a bad contract? Because I can look at it as a good angle for multiple reasons.
SPEAKER_01It's a good it's good for him right now. But let's just say later on into that contract, as he's moving on and he's getting better and better, and he's one of the faces of the league, yeah. That's a bad contract. Because now the power they're not gonna go to him like we're we're gonna extend you. No, no, but baseball, they don't they don't do that.
SPEAKER_03But the thing is, like, what if he's not that good? What if he's then then he becomes like the white Bobby Bunia, but for not as long.
SPEAKER_04But then you gotta look at someone like Ronald Acunya, who signed an eight-year, hundred million dollar deal, and he's outplayed that 10 times over. Yeah, and you won't see free agency until he's like 30.
SPEAKER_03But we've also we've also seen him, we've also seen in professional sports, they if you are if you actually are great, they have no problem signing the guy that has the name cachet and and the the stats behind it. Kirk Cousins is still getting paid.
SPEAKER_01He has the greatest, he has the greatest agent of all time.
SPEAKER_03Greatest agent of all time, HOFR. He's goaded. And but like with this kid, because he's only 19, maybe what he's doing is he's doing like the Albert Hainsworth thing, and he's gonna work the system, get all of his money, and then not play. Maybe maybe he's not gonna be that good. Maybe he knew going into it, I'm not. Man, I was just I'm here for a good time, not a long time. I'm here to make my money and dip out.
SPEAKER_01Then it was one of the contract I wanted the guardians to pick. He was one of the guys I wanted the guardians to pick two years ago, and they passed on him because he's in high school.
SPEAKER_03I'm just saying, like this, we have with it being a nine-year deal, I would say the three-year rule. I know it sounds like a very, very uh an antiquated way of looking at things. We we largely do it with quarterbacks, but after three years, if this man's out kicked his coverage and outperformed it, yeah, it's gonna look like a bad deal. But if this man struggles, it's the ultimate fleece.
SPEAKER_01Listen, if he has Scott Boars as his agent, he wants to sign that deal.
SPEAKER_03Boy, you ain't lying.
SPEAKER_01Anybody that's represented by Scott Bores, you are not signing a cheap contract.
SPEAKER_04Nope, nope, nope. I'd want something in there like an overperform clause where I can opt out or something like that.
SPEAKER_03If he's the best player, you want that you want that thing incentive laced. Yes, yes, got to.
SPEAKER_01Like, that's why I looked at at Paul Skeens and I'm just like, he won the Cy Young last year, he didn't win that many games, but he was still dominant. And I'm like, I know the pirates didn't go to his agent at all and at or ask for an extension.
SPEAKER_03Well, what's wild too is because like the the pirates have traditionally been like almost like the Cincinnati Bengals of baseball.
SPEAKER_04The pirates are the MLB's farm system, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Mario said they pay their players.
SPEAKER_03Mario said Boris would have got him 9,300 off the bat.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Because Scott doesn't play, man. Anytime when his players hit the free agent, he ain't taking no low ball deals. He he's getting you, he's getting all of your money for you. He's a dog.
SPEAKER_03Well, because he's not looking at the player, he's yeah, he he represents Kyle Tucker.
SPEAKER_01Tucker took a shorter, shorter deal from the Dodgers. I'm sorry, man. I'm sorry. Sorry, Cr. He took a shorter deal for the Dodgers rather than sounding a long-term deal with the Cubs.
SPEAKER_04I didn't want him. I didn't want him there from jump. It was a stupid trade. Now look at Cam Smith. Look at Cam Smith thriving. The brother. You're gonna do it like that, man. The brother. He out there thriving in Houston. You know how many brothers we got here on the Cubs? No.
SPEAKER_01No, you ain't got none in the farm system.
SPEAKER_04Hell no. If they are they down there picking cotton or something, they ain't playing baseball. Y'all ain't got Hayward or uh Hayward still hanging around.
SPEAKER_01Oh man, it's hey he that's my hero. Without him. Y'all don't win the 2016 World Series. I know.
SPEAKER_04Where's Steve Bartman when you need him? Thank God for that rain delay. I swear to God, man. Man, it wasn't even raining that hard. Hey man, the wheels was falling off. We was about to lose.
SPEAKER_03So the last thing I had on the uh the talking point, if you guys, if you guys have something you would uh that you want to uh bring up before the the Jalen Hurts part of this, uh go ahead and go ahead and let me know. But that was my last talking point was this whole uh the Jalen Hurts piece where I don't really know what Philadelphia is doing anymore because we've we've given Roseman a lot of praise for how he's constructed these rosters and the moves that he makes. And is this something like behind the scenes where they want to get Jalen out of town because they believe AJ Brown?
SPEAKER_01I don't I don't think they're trying to get him out of town. I think they're trying to motivate him. He doesn't have any guaranteed money left up on his contract after the season, so they're trying to motivate him, like, hey, we need you to be a better leader, be a better player, like, cuz he can't play like how he did last season and thinks in he's gonna get top three, top five money.
SPEAKER_03But see, that's what's so weird is like I thought the leadership thing was like the whole thing that we leaned on him, like we leaned hard into he's the leader of this team, even though he lacks certain physical, not physical attributes, but I mean when we think about pure passes of the football, Jalen Hurts is way down the line before we get to him. And I thought the thing that we thought most highly about him was the intangibles. So if you thought that this guy could manage a locker room, like why would you not want to bring him back?
SPEAKER_01Like to see when I read the story to hear that from 12 different Philly Philadelphia Eagles personnel players, I'm like, this sounds like somebody's against whom.
SPEAKER_03You mean more than AJ Brown?
SPEAKER_01I'll say it's more than AJ Brown. It could be somebody up there on the defense, it could be somebody up there on the offensive line.
SPEAKER_03I feel like it's just uh I feel like now that we're in the offseason, people are really taking notice of what AJ Brown said and what he's like his antics, and they're going, Yeah, we see it. I don't think they're trying to motivate him. I think what they're trying to do is because of the guaranteed money and the length of his contract, they're saying, We're okay moving on without you, dog. Like we we can go, we've you've seen what we've brought in to make things work. We don't need you. That's that's the way that I'm interpreting it.
SPEAKER_01Who are they moving on to with at quarterback?
SPEAKER_03I think that they it's it's not quite the same. Like you and I, we talk about this quite regularly with the uh court like coaching thinking that they can just fix anybody. I don't think that they necessarily do that with Jalen Hurts, like they're not going to that extreme, but because they have seen so many times we know how to get talent, we know how to acquire talent. We can we can be the same type of team without you. Yes, we did it with you, but I'm pretty sure that we can do it without you, and I feel like that's that's where they're at right now.
SPEAKER_01You think Philly fans gonna turn on next season if he starts off slow?
SPEAKER_03I think that I think that Philly female fans will never turn on him.
SPEAKER_01So Uncle Phil is gonna turn on him. Oh, yeah. He's gonna be rabble.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's the Rable thing. If they start one and three, he's gonna be like that that good look, that good looking mother gotta get up out of here.
SPEAKER_01I can see him doing it too, man. Jesus. It's I just I hate that they waited till the middle of the offseason to do it. Like, why do you mean do this immediately like after they lost the playoff game?
SPEAKER_03So I can I can understand why. There's there's part of it that I appreciate why they waited because anytime that a team does something directly after a game, to me, that's an emotional decision. It's not a it's not something you actually thought about. It's just I'm in the moment, I'm emotional. If I don't do something, they're gonna think I'm weak, and so on and so forth. So I'm glad they waited to to have this out. But the timing is again, the timing, we're right before the draft. Maybe there's a team like you we talked about with Joe Burrow next year. Maybe there's a team who's like, you know what? We have the offensive line, we have we think that he's a good leader, but they're like it's just weird how the how the dynamic has shifts so goddamn quickly with this dude is that we thought the intangibles are the thing that made him and Philadelphia great, and now like Mario just said, they're saying that he's uncoachable. I don't know how you can be uncoachable when you have a new head coach or a new coordinator every seven and a half months since you were since you were in college. But at the same time, this is where like Mario said swap him for Joey Burr. Get out of here, dog. I love you, Mario.
SPEAKER_01Get Mario out of here. I listen to the case. I'll I will drive to Chicago just to fight Uncle Phil if they got Joe Joe Burrow. Because then you know what's gonna happen, man. With all those weapons, they got man. No, I ain't doing this.
SPEAKER_04Joe Burrow is the second best quarterback in the NFL.
SPEAKER_03Is that wait, is it wait, is that satire or is that that's real talk? You think he's the second best quarterback in the NFL?
SPEAKER_04And the only reason I'm taking my homeboy over him is because he got a couple of them things already. I I love Joe Burton. Yeah, I'm not trade my mama for Joe Burton for Joe Burton.
SPEAKER_01You trade Caleb Williams for him.
SPEAKER_04Oh you trained my metric, my connection. Oh what I trade him for. Yeah. Okay, yeah, all right, yeah. Because I I know what Joe Burrow is. I understand what Caleb can be, but I know what Joe is.
SPEAKER_03See, and like, and that's the thing, like this this this is also again. We come like LaShawn, you and I touched on at the very beginning, is that we have an idea of who at the top four or five guys are, everybody else is interchangeable. I think that right now, Caleb Williams is still in the interchangeable mode where if he's on a trash team, he doesn't look good. If you put him with a great offensive line, a couple weapons, he still looks like he would is in Chicago right now or better. But Burrow, we've I'm I'm with CR on that. Like we've seen what he looks like with an awful offensive line, but we've also seen him with arguably the best wide receiver combo in the NFL as well. So I mean he makes them go.
SPEAKER_04He can make them go. You put Joe Burrow behind that Bears offensive line last year.
SPEAKER_03Oh, he'd cook.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, easy. Easy. Caleb was better.
SPEAKER_03That actually, that actually, if you put Joe Burrow behind if you swap those two teams, I think Cincinnati has the exact same season and Chicago is in the NFL.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, like Burrow with Ben Johnson, I got one.
SPEAKER_03Well, the thing is the other thing too is like because you we we we think highly of, I know that DJ Moore isn't there anymore, but like we think highly of DJ Moore. We think that Roman Dunze is a like you you have your expectations of your other wide receivers along with your tight ends and the in the running back situation. Y'all got talent everywhere. And if you had this year's Joe Burrow in Chicago, that would have been a problem.
SPEAKER_01That's it. I'll come there and fight you too, Cr. Go ahead and trade for Joe Burrow.
SPEAKER_04I mean, I'm I'm cool, I'm cool with Light Brain. Like, we we're gonna rock it out, but if we somehow got Joe Burrow, I wouldn't be upset at all.
SPEAKER_03This raises a good question because we we talk about the hypotheticals, like what the trade value is of players. Since we're talking about Chicago, what would be the the trade compensation that Chicago would have to do to get Joe Burrow?
SPEAKER_04Because I mean, like Caleb is younger, still under contract with a rookie, and that's why the Bengals would have to give us more than we've given them.
SPEAKER_01I was gonna say, like, you trade Caleb really. No, this is this Caleb in the first round pick for Joe Burrow.
SPEAKER_04I think it's the other way around. You think that we got I don't Joe Joe is the head? I get it, but you already he already got the big deal. Yeah, Caleb still got three years left on his rookie deal. That's not gonna last for that's not gonna last forward as a rookie, so he gotta be pushing 30.
SPEAKER_03K Caleb is not gonna wait, he's not gonna play out his entire rookie year, like he's gonna get an extension after this season, I would imagine.
SPEAKER_04That's what people here are saying. Like, that's why the Bears didn't have him restructured deals because they're trying to plan for Caleb's extension, which is some cheap ass shit, if you ask me.
SPEAKER_01No, but let's just say, all right, let's I'm gonna just put this out there. Caleb wins MVP, he leads you guys to the NFC championship game, but y'all lose. The Bears go to him and say, We're we're willing to give you 250 million guaranteed. You think he he does it? Who's the what's the highest most guarantee they got now? I think it's uh Dak. Dak at what 231, 234?
SPEAKER_03Well, Deshaun had guaranteed 250.
SPEAKER_01No, he got two. 230.
SPEAKER_03Oh, 230. Okay.
SPEAKER_01I don't know.
SPEAKER_04It's like he's a different kind of cat. Like he might try to like really reset that market. I mean, 250 guaranteed is resetting the market. I get it, but he might he might want more.
SPEAKER_01Like, I to be honest, I'm I can see like let's say the Ravens win next year. Lamar going to the Ravens, and he's gonna probably say he's gonna want 240, 250 million guarantee guaranteed. And they're gonna have to give it to him. I still think if if Pat goes next year and he wins another Super Bowl and another MVP, he can go to the Chiefs and be like, listen, scrap that whole deal. I want everything fully guaranteed. Yeah, because he's been underpaid for a while for the past four years.
SPEAKER_03Well, the thing that I the way that I look at these quarterbacks, and I know that this is a very unpopular opinion, and it always has been, is I don't feel like there's a reason to pay every quarterback who you drafted top of the market money. Like, we can't lose the guy who did who got us to the the playoffs after a drought or the guy who got us to an a whatever championship game, because people dumb it down to that's the quarterback, he's the best player on the team. We need to pay him. We can't we can't lose that guy, right? And yeah, you can like there's two or three dudes who you write a blank check to, but if you don't have that dude, the Patriot way actually works this way at the most important position. Man, if you've got a guy who has the cachet of a Justin Herbert, and let's just say you you flame out again, bro, trade that man, get four first round picks. That's the way that I look. I I know that you don't like the way I talk about quarterbacks, you hate the way that I talk about quarterbacks, but you you can't disrespect the best position in the game.
SPEAKER_01I can. I just did. I'll do it again. Watch me. Like you gotta pay at it's a quarter, it's a quarterback lead. I know, but we just want to go as far as a quarterback take you.
SPEAKER_03I know, but but the thing is, I disagree with that completely because we just talked about Jalen Hurts about being replaceable and the time. Same thing with like Mario said, like, I'll I'll give you Purdy and Iuk tomorrow, which isn't a great trade, but I mean it's just like wey more Mario's throwing everything into it, everything into the trade, man. I'll I'll give you current Jerry Rice as we speak. I just I just feel like we're getting to a point where, especially like with these guys who have been in the league for uh they're not old, but the guys like Herbert and Lamar and uh Josh Allen, they like you said, they're in their almost their 30s now, but they hold so much cachet and so much name recognition. Where could you imagine the trade value for Josh Allen? Those guys have multiple holes, and he has multiple holes in his game. If they traded him for just a slew of picks and players, I'd be okay with it. I would be the same way with with with with the same thing with the chargers. Like with he is Justin Herbert's done nothing in the postseason, and they flame out every damn year, but he still is considered a top six, seven, eight quarterback. Y'all ain't doing anything, anyways. Go ahead and move on and retool and get all the holes, fill them up, and then go ahead and go up, go ahead and go 10 and 7 again.
SPEAKER_01Now, now, are you filling those holes up with a franchise quarterback?
SPEAKER_03We don't think that Jalen Hurts is necessarily one. We don't think that Brock Purdy necessarily is one.
SPEAKER_01And like if you get an extension, especially uh, I say a top seven market placement, you you are a franchise quarterback.
SPEAKER_03No, I I think that you get designated as one, but I don't think you actually are. We we saw Blake Bortles and Jimmy Garoppolo get paid.
SPEAKER_01One led his team to a Super Bowl burr, the other one just flamed out.
SPEAKER_03But see, led or now Purdy, I will give you credit because I I think that Purdy is better than what most people give him credit for. But again, like they they've done that. San Francisco is thinking about the same way that I think that Philly right now is thinking about it with Jalen Hurts. Is like we can do this with anybody. The whole reason why we swung on Trey Lance is we thought we were a young quarterback away. Now they missed on the pick, but they they're so the the the ego is so strong in some of these owners and some of these GMs where we can do with anybody, and if it's that strong, stop paying mediocre quarterbacks top flight money.
SPEAKER_01You got to.
SPEAKER_03I don't think you do, like I know that's that's that's that's the trend, and that's what we've done. I just I firmly believe that it just because that's the way we've done it, I don't think it has to continue, though.
SPEAKER_01Quarterback, defensive end, left tackle. Those are the three most important positions in the game. You pay those, and then you figure out the rest.
SPEAKER_03Mario said I didn't need a Jimmy G reminder. I love that. But the thing is that, but the thing is that so this is this is what we've always been told, right? You pay the quarterback, then we've been told you win with a quarterback on a rookie contract, which is to me one of the dumbest arguments ever because I think there's only been what it's been Mahomes and Russell Wilson, I think, won Super Bowls on their rookie deals, but that's pretty much it. And then now the narrative has shifted to well, all you need to do is get a mid-level quarterback, just go get you a Sam Darnold. That's the reason why I land so firmly on stop paying mediocre quarterbacks. Huh?
SPEAKER_01I said Kirk Cousins is gonna lead the Raiders to the Super Bowl.
SPEAKER_03I swear to god, man, if I was in Ohio right now, I'd you up.
SPEAKER_01There's no you said it. You said mid-level quarterbacks, man. No, the Raiders did. They gave 40 million just to get back up.
SPEAKER_03I'm saying that the circumstance matters. I I have this the the same reason, the same mentality I have with don't pay mediocre quarterbacks top five money is the same reason why I have the same stance of it's okay to draft a running back in the first round high if your team matters. I like Ashton Genty. The Raiders drafting him in the top eight last year was stupid. But if another team did it and everything else fell, I would have agreed with it.
SPEAKER_01That's why I don't want the the Chiefs to stay away from the you don't want them to get. I I think the Chiefs are they gonna draft none but defense because that's what they need.
SPEAKER_04They will go they a little hard to paint on on the defense side. They needed some weapons too, because I don't know what Rasheed Rice is was gonna happen with him. Oh you ain't here. The the NFL threw that out.
SPEAKER_03I'm I get it, but it's it's always one thing after another, so it's like, man, we that's that's the thing, too, is like just because one thing goes away doesn't mean another thing can't potentially happen. And that's the the Chiefs have done a good job of like they've taken some risks on some people, like the type Tyree kills, another dude who they took a risk on. That's the reason why he fell so much. I think Kareem Hunt was another dude. Like they found value with the the off-the-field issues, and it not be so much of an issue in-house, but Rasheed Rice is getting to a point where we don't care how talented you are, I don't know if I can trust you.
SPEAKER_01True. Puka's gonna be up there next. Puka out here. Wow. Uh man, listen, you know how much money he potentially lost? He was supposed to be getting the next contract at the JSN.
SPEAKER_03I was gonna say he was supposed to get the JSN money, and there's a reason why he hasn't gotten paid yet.
SPEAKER_01The brands went to his age and was just like, Yeah, you're gonna have to wait till after next season. Pook would be like, Man, come in, let me bite you, girl. I can't believe he did that. He's a damn fool.
SPEAKER_03It's it's just it's so wild because it's so weird because I remember it. I I love just the fact that like nobody knows any of these dudes, but like behind a keyboard, everybody capes up for everybody until something wild comes out. Like Deshaun Watson had a pristine record until what happened in Houston. Puka was looked at as the great American story of guy who gets hurt, falls in the draft, and then balls out and is gonna get a great contract because look what hard work and perseverance can prove to you. And then we go, Oh, well, I didn't know he was a racist. I know that he was out biting people. Like, like these people behind keyboards have no idea who the hell these athletes are. We just want to pretend like we know who they are to sound smart, but then you just look like a dummy.
SPEAKER_01Yep. But all right, fellas, I've got to get up out of here.
SPEAKER_03All right, so I was gonna, oh, yeah, that's right. You have you had to go pay, you had to uh you you have a volleyball game to go scoreboard for.
SPEAKER_01Yep.
SPEAKER_03Girl, love you, man. Sierra, what you got? Do you wanna you have anything else on the docket that you wanted to either like get off your chest? I know that you're gonna have some kind of hate Michigan thing. I'll I'll get the music queued up. You have anything in the in the background.
SPEAKER_04I can't even say nothing, man.
SPEAKER_03I mean, you can, you're allowed to.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, but I'll then I'll really just be a hater, but I'm I'm you know I'm gonna let them live today this week.
SPEAKER_03I'll I hope y'all have the day that you deserve, and the day that you deserve was the was the other day.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, they're whatever. They had they Starliner was 30 years old, so like, come on. I do have one the runs.
SPEAKER_00I do have two pocket.
SPEAKER_03I guess I do have two questions for you to get your opinion on things before we head out. Is um one the Gino and Don situation, and then two the whole Danny Hurley. I know I know that this is a couple days old, and this is gonna be an older take, but I I do want to get your you're one of the funniest people that I know, and I love the way that you address things, so I want to get I want to get your perspective on it is the the Gino and Dawn uh Fuffle, if you will, and then also Danny Hurley basically headbutting a ref and whether you enjoyed it or whether you thought it was outlandish and foolish.
SPEAKER_04Uh I start with uh the Danny Hurley Doston BS. I understand they're friends, but like that's a that's a tech at minimum. That's attack. And like you any other coach did that to him, they've thrown out the game, and the game was close enough to where that would have made a difference in the game. So like that was that was that was some bullshit. I ain't gonna lie to you. Like, I get it, but like, why does he have that cachet?
SPEAKER_03I feel it the exact same way because I remember when I when I saw people doing it, they're like, Well, that's just how he is. It's like, well, every other situation that I've ever met is that that's a technical, and you as the adult are supposed to know that you can't do that in that environment. Because again, the thing also is that it wasn't like they were it wasn't like it was tied and he smashed that and they were up by three. He made it and it was a tie game. You make that kind of if it's any uh if it's any other ref, or if that guy had any integrity for what he does, he would have teed you up. And if he loses, the entire narrative around Danny Hurley changes. It's not he's a passionate coach, it's not that he loves the game, it's not anything else. It is you can't control your emotions, we can't trust you. Like the the entire narrative and how we view him changes if and only if that man puts up the T signal.
SPEAKER_04Yep, and it would have been oh, Danny Hurley cost his team a shot at the national championship. Yep, that's that's what it would have been right there, and that's what it should have been.
SPEAKER_03Right. I know that some people in here of not just when they listen are gonna be like, well, coulda, shoulda, would it? No, man, who you knows matters, and it shouldn't because that's the game, that's the gambling portion of it as well. Like if you had if you didn't have UConn on the money line or whatever the case is, man, you mad that they didn't you mad they didn't call attack. Yeah, because I had Duke minus three points.
SPEAKER_04Right you had Duke Duke minus three. No, I had Duke minus like seven and a half. So it was looking good in the first half when they were up 20. Oh yeah, we we bought the cash.
SPEAKER_03I ain't even Oh, you know what why why didn't you sorry? I just got your I just got your text. Why didn't you put that in the chat, man?
SPEAKER_04Oh I don't know, I didn't think about it.
SPEAKER_03I'm trying to I'm always trying to help people out. I know this is bad. This is bad for people who uh who are just gonna listen to the uh the podcast later.
SPEAKER_04But I'll say what it is. Um my daughter, who is 15, was accepted into a pre-collegiate pre-med program at Harvard. So we are having a fundraiser to raise money for it because it is mighty expensive.
SPEAKER_03When you said that initially, I wasn't trying like I thought you were just joking, like like just haphazardly just saying it. I didn't that's that's crazy, dude. I'm crazy proud of her. Congratulations! Oh yeah, she's she's a burniac.
SPEAKER_04She uh she's more goal-driven and focused in her dad. So she um yeah, she she just got approved for dual enrollment. So by the time she's done with high school, she'll be halfway done with her bachelor's program, and yeah, she wants to be a doctor.
SPEAKER_03There's no better, no better way to make that money in this country nowadays. But you also got like she like that's that's that's incredible, man. Like, I wish that my kid had that kind of drive. Like my kid's smart, but he ain't Harvard smart. Like, I I love my kid. I'm not trying to dog him, but like it's just and uh she uh yeah, she she's a she's dope.
SPEAKER_04She's dope. She uh, you know, I'm I'm gonna need her because the way I eat, you know, I might need a good document.
SPEAKER_03See, that's that's the thing about having multiple kids. You got one that can be a doctor, one that might be an athlete, one that might be a lawyer, like personal trainer and chef, man. We get five of them, they all go into different fields, they can take care of you down the line, right? That's all I want. Like that's that's all I want. It's about diversifying your parental portfolio.
SPEAKER_04That's uh yeah, no, that's it. That's all I got. I'm I'm proud of my girl.
SPEAKER_03Good, and you and you, and you should be, man. So I know you didn't want to talk any any smack about Michigan. I'm gonna cue the music up just in case you want to, though. Come on, man. I know I know you got something deep in you. You got something.
SPEAKER_04Michigan, you got it. You got it. Y'all uh y'all won the the Big Ten. You lost the Big Ten. Um, and then you won the natty. You won the natty in football a couple years ago. Y'all win it right now. I can't even hate on that. Y'all still live in Michigan and it still sucks. So how about that? Yeah, I'm hating. I'm hating. Illinois never won anything in my life. Uh here's Northwestern. It's okay. I hope the Pistons don't win shit this year. I know the Tigers not winning shit. And I and the Bears, we're gonna make sure the Lions don't win shit. So enjoy your your little collegiate championship. We'll be on your ass come November. Don't even worry about it. Bitches.
SPEAKER_03I know, I know you said talking about Northwestern, but you'll always have Darnell Altre.
SPEAKER_04Another another white skin.
SPEAKER_02I knew that you were I knew that you were gonna do that.
SPEAKER_03So sometimes the alley oops like you gotta pre-plan him, but you always yam on it like you're Blake. You know, you never you never miss on it. I'll try. You're a good man for that. You have anything else you want to add before we hang it up for the day?
SPEAKER_04No, just like you know, I love you and LaShawn. Y'all my brothers, you know. That's it, man. I just want everybody to stay up and be blessed.
SPEAKER_03You don't get to do that. You made fun of me for putting it in the group chat in an audio, and now you're hijacking it and weaponizing it against me. You don't get to do that, good sir.
SPEAKER_04Hey man, it's a dog eat dog world.
SPEAKER_03We just taking taglines for ourselves and whatever, man. Like you you wouldn't be the first, and you're not gonna be the last, but it's okay. It makes me feel like I'm contributing more to society than I actually am. But this has been the Playbook Podcast with LaShawn Brown and CR McGee. Uh, you can you can find us where you get your podcast for free. This is kind of late, uh, kind of late in the episode to plug the actual podcast, but it is what it is. You guys know the drill. You can find us where we get your podcast for free. Like, share, subscribe, smash the five star reviews. And like CR said and took it from me. Y'all know the drill, stay up, stay blessed. We'll catch you guys on the next one.