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unknown 1:47

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 1:47

Welcome back to the playbook. I'm gonna put this thing on simmer instead of that high heat. What's good, everybody? Welcome back to the Playbook Podcast. I'm your host, Prescott Kelly. Today is Thursday, April 16th. Glad to be back with us. Once again, we got my boy Sierra McGee from the great state of Illinois. What's good with you, man?

SPEAKER_03 2:10

Man, I'm just chilling, you know. Just a squirrel trying to get a nut. That's it.

SPEAKER_01 2:17

Well, I wanted to start with I want to start with something because I really I don't want to uh I don't want to miss this on what we had to talk about because as somebody who doesn't really pay a whole lot of attention to the WNBA, for you know, it's not for the fact that I don't find it entertaining, it's just my fanwidth doesn't have enough space for all of it. I know that you follow women's basketball very closely and you care about this thing. So the WMBA draft, what were your takeaways? Um the number one overall pick. Now it seems like there's some overreaching because of her relationship with another WME player. Like, what's your thoughts on the draft as a whole, and then that story as it has itself?

SPEAKER_03 3:05

First of all, let's let's touch on the whole ether and a relationship. Who cares? They've been doing this for years. A lot of these women on the same team, they're scissoring each other. Who cares? Like, it has nothing to do with anybody else. Can it get messy? Yes. But could it just work out? Absolutely. The Chicago Sky won a championship having Courtney van der Schlut and Allie Quigley on the team, and they were married then, they're married now. Like, people need to mind their own business. If the relationship doesn't work, the relationship doesn't work. That doesn't mean they can't play together. Unless the Smith and DJ Carrington played, they broke up, still were playing together. Not a big deal. Well, um, is I think AZ Bud was the best player, so take the best player.

SPEAKER_01 4:01

And that all makes that that all makes sense, and and I'm with you on everything that you just said. I think what um where where I was coming from it was was it an overdrafting of her because there is a relationship with somebody else? Because I know that we've done this, and it's obviously not comparing apples to apples to apples, it's apples to you know tangerines at this point. But like when Bronny got drafted, it was well, he got drafted because of his dad. Is was she over drafted because there was a relationship already previously put together? But you just said you thought that she was the best player, anyways, so it's that that part shouldn't matter. But do you think that maybe because they're like, hey, there's a familiarity there that that's the reason why they drafted her number one as opposed to somebody else, or do you think that this is the best player available? It just didn't matter.

SPEAKER_03 4:55

I feel like the chemistry that they have on the court, I feel like it didn't hurt her get drafted, but injuries aside, AZ is a dog, like she's a dog. She, I would say, with Juju not playing, she was the best player in the country, not named Sarah Strong. So like I don't have any issue, like her her talent warranted her being picked number one. Her and Paige won a natty together. So like, why wouldn't I want to add that? Like, I saw them nominate together, they play well off each other. You know, that's like if I'm drafting, you know, I don't know, if I'm drafting, we're not gonna have these questions. Like, nobody said that when the Bengals drafted Jamar Chase after Joe Burrow. We saw the magic in college, so let's see the magic in the pros.

SPEAKER_01 5:51

I feel like some some people did only because they thought, like you say, like there was a relationship there. So some people, when they drafted him, go, you you don't want it because Panay Sewell was in that draft, right? That was the same draft class with him. And then thought, well, yeah, what would you rather do? Protect Joe Burrow or get him his buddy. I feel like there was a little bit of you got the the familiarity and you went you went and drafted your buddy over what was the best thing. But again, like Joe Burrow didn't make the decision, somebody else did.

SPEAKER_03 6:26

Exactly. So I'm I'm comfortable with Paige being there. Like, I'm not one of those people, like, quote, let's let's draft based on need. Was AZ a need? No. Like Olivia Miles might have been a better fit, Lauren Betts might have been a better fit. To me, AZ was the best player. AZ has the highest ceiling, so that's who I would have taken as well.

SPEAKER_01 6:55

I think that what we're what we're running into now is that anybody who really puts it into that big of a uh people again, as somebody who doesn't follow the sport, I don't have that that loud of an opinion on who goes number one and so on and so forth. But it sounds like because I I've seen her name drop a bunch, and I know that she's obviously a very good basketball player, it's not like they reached on somebody who should have been an undrafted player. It was a top five pick, and there just happened to be the connection between her and Paige. And I think that some people are just trying to run with something to make it a bigger story than what it is. You know, click bait is something that we say too often, and maybe that's not the right term, but it's we just want to be mad about something, so let's just go ahead and create a false narrative of like why this why this woman was drafted in a position that she shouldn't have been in when in reality maybe she would have gone the role. And I because I'm with you also, like you made the Jamar Chase thing, and like there are certain teams who do you take the best available person of the best available player? Yeah, it depends on how where you are in the landscape of your sport is like, do you need do you really need a wide receiver or do you need a shooting guard? Then go get the best one. If you if you don't really have any like real glaring flaws, like you said, take the best player available. The best player is never gonna hurt you.

SPEAKER_03 8:15

I feel like if you if you add elite talent, no matter what the position, everything else is gonna work itself out. Oh you'll figure it out. Like I don't the NFL draft is next week, and there's a lot of talk here in Chicago, you know, for the longest, we're not drafted in the top 10. So it's like, okay, well, what do we take? You take the best player on the board. Oh, well, if the best player is a tight end, then you take the best player on the board. I don't care. We'll we'll work it out. Like, I'm not gonna. If I have a 92 grade on the tight end, even though I have Colston Loveland and Cole Kommit, and I have an 88 grade on the next best player, I'm taking the person with the 92 grade.

SPEAKER_01 9:01

That's that's how I'm are you are you talking about like Sadiq?

SPEAKER_03 9:07

Yeah, I would take Sadiq if he's there and he's the highest rated player on my board. The only exception is quarterback. Then you trade the pick because somebody's probably wanting to come up and grab that quarterback. But if there's not a quarterback, then take the best player, regardless of position.

SPEAKER_01 9:23

Yeah, I mean, if you have a again, if you have a super glaring hole, I understand why you would want to address a specific position. But again, like if you don't have anything glaring, you're like, Yeah, I'd like to be able to upgrade X, Y, and Z. But if you don't, if it's if it's nobody that you think is going to exponentially move the needle, I'm with you. Take the best player, you can move people around, and like you said, it's gonna work itself out.

SPEAKER_03 9:47

Exactly. Exactly. Like, I'm you know, shit, come draft me, I'll come play. I'm the best player on the board.

unknown 9:57

Shit.

SPEAKER_03 9:58

The way the WNBA players getting paid now, shit. I'll throw a wig on and hop out there.

SPEAKER_01 10:04

This this guy's gonna be Joanna Man real soon. You joking, but I'm dead. So I want to get we talked a little bit about the draft. We'll get to the metal thing a little bit later on. Um, but speaking about the draft and going to the NFL, um, I don't follow college football quite as closely as you do. And you you mentioned, you know, take the best player available, and where Chicago is drafting currently, let's just say hypothetically that nothing changes, right? Wherever you guys are locked in is where you guys are locked in. Um, is there a position? I know you mentioned tight end, but is there a position that you wish that Chicago would address, or is there somebody who thinks legitimately could fall to you at a position of need, and who would that be? Again, I'm not gonna have much to chime in on. I know positions of need of teams, but college players and where they should go. That ain't me.

SPEAKER_03 11:02

So I feel like there are a few key positions of need for the Bears. Um, number one is you need a you need a pass rusher. Whether that's gonna be in coming from the edge or somebody that can get after the quarterback in the middle. You need a pass rusher, you need to shore up your D-line because what were they 31st in pass rush win rate last year, but somehow led the league in takeaways. That's not gonna happen again.

SPEAKER_01 11:28

It's I'm so glad that you said that because so many people say, like, they they led the league in turnovers. They can only there's not an only can get better. That is not that's like the Cowboys or Antonio Cromartie. Like, that's not how we do things.

SPEAKER_03 11:42

Yeah, and then you you lost your two leading, you know, takeaway guys and Kevin Bayard and Ashawn Wright, anyway. So I feel like they can add every level at defense and I'd be okay with it. If they took a D tackle, a D-end, if they took an off-ball linebacker, I'd be okay with it. They need a safety, they do not have a starting safety opposite Kobe Bryant right now, and then we need a left tackle. Um, our left tackle got hurt in the playoff games against the Rams, and he's gonna be out for the season. So any one of those positions, I'm fine with. Um depending on the running back. If somehow I know it won't happen, but if somehow Jeremiah Love fell to 25, you better run your ass to the podium and take them.

SPEAKER_01 12:34

That was gonna be my next my next thing is um one, where do the Bears pick? But two, I I've always said I know I get made, I get lapped out the gym on these types of things where like I have no problem with you drafting a running back in the first round. But what I do have a problem with is if you're reaching if you don't have everything else around him to make them uh make him successful. I think that Chicago has enough weaponry on the outside, a good enough O line, and a good enough QB where if you if if a top-tier flight running back came to you, I'm with you. You got you gotta take him.

SPEAKER_03 13:05

Yeah, I don't see him. Don't pay him the second contract, but pick him. I don't see him making it out the top 10. But if somehow he did, man, let's go. Let's let's go. Shit. I'll go pick, I'll go pick the nigga from the airport myself.

SPEAKER_01 13:19

So you would treat him much better than the Ravens were gonna treat Max Crosby then, huh?

SPEAKER_03 13:26

Absolutely, absolutely. Um look here. You know, I got I got two sisters. Hey, bro, that's that's none of my business, whatever y'all do, but I'll just I set it up for you, bro. I just want the bears to win.

SPEAKER_01 13:48

It is kind of it is it is funny the the situation that Chicago is in now because it does feel like uh there's not many Bears fans up here in Alaska, but there are enough where it feels like I don't have to keep them on suicide watch. It feels like they finally are I don't have to do wellness checks on these people anymore. Like they feel good about Ben Johnson being there for a second year. Caleb Williams is is you know, there's a little bit of even though it's there's only one year so far that's done, but it feels like there's a level of consistency that can go forward, and that kind of gives them a little bit of peace of mind.

SPEAKER_03 14:24

Yeah, I mean, I feel like we're they were a year ahead of schedule. Um I feel like a lot of Bears fans have these insane expectations of this year going forward, but I I think this is gonna be the year to take a step back, and then you take two steps forward the following year. Um, you lost a lot on defense and a defense that wasn't very good, and you haven't replaced them.

SPEAKER_01 14:52

That was my next question. Is is do you do you think they take a step back because of what they lost, or do you think they take a step backwards because Green Bay and more specifically Detroit will take another step forward based off of their injuries that happened last year, the retirements. Do you think Chicago takes a step back because of all those things, or is it because it's just is it like Washington almost? You had a you had one great year, we're just kind of overcompensating, and you're gonna fall back down to earth.

SPEAKER_03 15:22

Yeah, I think it's it's based, I think it's based off the bears. I think they're gonna take a step back just based off of themselves. Like, you don't lose, like, okay, we're have high hopes for Roma Dunze and Luther Burton, but you lost the Adolin in the room and DJ Moore. So we don't know how that room's gonna shake out. You know, we don't know how much the key to the Bears is Caleb Williams. If Caleb takes a step forward, then the Bears might not take a step back. But if he doesn't make that jump that everybody's expecting, then yeah, they're gonna take a step back. That defense is ass. That defense is, I'm talking about like bad BBL ass. You know, and and then you lost your you lost your Pro Bowl center. He just up and retired. Like that's a big deal. That was crazy. He's the one calling out the protections. Like, that's a huge deal. So I think they take a step back. The division is good, like Minnesota getting Kyler Murray. I think people aren't talking about that enough. Like, I I still believe in Kyler Murray's talent. I might be in the minority, but if they won, they went nine and eight with JJ McCarthy.

SPEAKER_01 16:40

I was just gonna say, man, like, regardless of what you think Kyler Murray is, we saw what they were with McCarthy. And it's not, but again, this is not to dumb it down to well, they won nine games last year, they could only win 10 or 11. That is not what it is, but I do feel like you'll get a better version of Minnesota offensively, and you'll get a bur a better version of Kyler Murray in Minnesota than you did last year, and even Minnesota. Again, like there's there's a chance they take a step back defensively, but that roster is still crazy talented, and the fact that y'all won nine games was impressive. And I think Kyler Murray has the potential, like that. That's the that's the team that really in the NFC is so boomer bust. That could be a four or five win team, or that team could go 13 or 14 and three or four.

SPEAKER_03 17:30

Yeah, they got a weird text message. Um the Vikings are I think the Vikings are a sleeping giant, honestly. Like Justin Jefferson, like they need a running back, like they can get a running back in the draft. Other than that, they don't have any good.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

Oh, what about what about what you said with with Jeremiah Love? I don't I'm not sure where Minnesota picks, but I pray to God he doesn't drop to them.

SPEAKER_03 18:05

I pray to God Jeremiah Love does not drop to them.

SPEAKER_01 18:08

Like, I didn't know. What what what what what where's the position of that that Minnesota even drafts? I know they had a really down year, but are they a top 7, 8, 9 team? Because I believe they weren't even last, they weren't even last in the division. Detroit was oh, that's right. We said they won nine games, but they missed the playoffs, though. So they're probably like what the 15th or 17th pick, something like that.

SPEAKER_03 18:32

I'm looking it up right now. Let's see. Minnesota drafts 18. 18. Yeah, I have a really hard. I don't believe that he'll follow them at 18. No, I don't either. I don't see him making it out the top 10. If he does make it out the top 10, I don't think he gets past Dallas at 12.

SPEAKER_01 18:54

But yo, him in him in Dallas, that would be pretty crazy. I know there's there's been talks about him potentially going to like Kansas City if they dropped like to eight or nine. Um, but I get again, like to me, I have no problem with you drafting a running back early as long as you have everything around you that makes sense. I think that Kansas City, if he went to Kansas City, that would be crazy with number 15 under center. But also, Dallas has so many offensive weapons as well that that'd be nasty. But they but they're also like we're trying to do the whole defensive thing, getting rid of Micah, getting uh picks back, doing the whole Quentin Williams thing. So I'm not really sure where they would go, but uh if Jeremiah falls to either one of those two teams, that would be pretty crazy.

SPEAKER_03 19:41

There's two players there's Jeremiah Love, and then you got Caleb Downs. I feel like they're up here compared to everyone else. I feel like those are the top two players in the draft, head and shoulders above everyone else. But they play at positions that people don't consider a premium, running back and safety.

SPEAKER_01 20:01

That is true. Because like I I've seen I've seen a lot of people say that Tennessee should take Jeremiah Love because you know, you you need like I can only name what one person, but but besides um Cam Ward, I know one other person on the Titans roster, Jeffrey Simmons. That's that's all that's all that I know. So, like, are you are you looking for the the splash person that people get excited about? Are you gonna reach on a running back? Are you gonna reach on a safety? But or do you do the smart thing? Like we we're just talking about if if everything stays patent, nobody moves. But if you have a smart GM, I would think that if you especially if we're talking about Tennessee specifically, you got to move them picks back because you are a long, long, long ways away from being good andor relevant.

SPEAKER_03 20:49

Yeah, Tennessee should just be in the talent acquiring phase, like just whatever you do, you need to amass as much talent as you can, and it just falls in the line of everything else will work itself out. Like, you're so bad. I feel like they're so bad they can't draft based on position. Like, you have to just draft best player available, regardless of the position, because your ass everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

They're they're they're awful, they're awful. Like, there's there's nothing good again, besides, and I don't even know if the thing is, I don't even know if Cam Ward is good, and that's not an indictment on him, it's an indictment on you guys were so bad for a number. Y'all thought that mayonnaise uh Will Levis was the answer a couple years ago, and then you were easy. I don't know, man. Like Tennessee is one of those teams where you're right, it's where if you don't trade, let's just say everything stays pat every single place where you pick it is who's the best available because we don't have anybody who's good, anyways.

SPEAKER_03 21:53

Exactly. Like you need corners, you need linemen on both sides of the ball, you need linemen. Receiver, like you got some solid players, but like you don't have the blue chip player, you have one blue chip player in Jeffrey Simmons. Outside of that, you have nothing.

SPEAKER_01 22:13

So no, it's it's it's actually incredible because everybody and look, do I find some level of uh happiness with how bad the Jets are? Sure, being a Bills fan, there's there's there's a level to that, but I've known they've been bad forever, and people understand that. But because Tennessee's been so bad, but nope, like there's I know three Titans fans, and I'm pretty sure if you don't live in Tennessee, I know all three of them, but no, nobody cares about them. That's the reason why they can get go under the radar of being this bad for so long, and nobody gives a damn.

SPEAKER_03 22:50

Yeah, you know three more Titans fans than I do, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 22:57

Well I know is they better all I know is they bet they better tight up that roster.

SPEAKER_03 23:06

Yeah, they have to because if not, you're just setting your you know supposed to be franchise quarterback up for failure. Like, yeah, there was no point of taking him number one if you're not gonna put the stuff around him for him to be successful.

SPEAKER_01 23:20

And that's why I feel like you have to. I think that you have to do the responsible thing of if you thought that you at least had a piece at wide receiver, or you thought you had a piece at running back, or like just something. If you thought you had a piece, okay, maybe you don't trade back, but because you are so deficient of talent everywhere, the responsible thing to me is you have to trade back at least your first round pick. Man, maybe even your second, but it just kind of depends on how all the other chips like because you you need everything, everything, and and then you like Robert Silas, your coach.

SPEAKER_03 24:01

We don't know if he's a good coach, we know he's a good coordinator, we don't know if he's a good coach. Like, I'll give him a mulligan on the jets because they're the jets, but we don't know, and he seems to have assembled a good staff. We'll see.

SPEAKER_01 24:20

Well, and that and that's kind of the Robert, yeah. And Robert Sala is almost the same person that we see when like bad quarterbacks or quarterbacks get drafted to really bad teams. We don't know if you're good or not because of the situation that you are placed in because of incompetence before you got there. And Robert Sala is somebody like when he was with San Francisco, everyone thought, of course, he's gonna be a good head coach. Why wouldn't he be? Look what he did with San Francisco, and then you see, oh, because he doesn't have all the other pieces on with the players and the infrastructure and the coaching staff. It's not it's not so much that you can't do the job, but if you're set up for failure from the beginning, not a whole lot that you can do, especially especially from day one and your first year. You don't have a whole lot of pull with everything else.

SPEAKER_03 25:10

Yeah, Jerry Krauss said it, and he got killed for it. Organizations win championships, not players. You can have great players if your organization is dysfunctional, you're not gonna win shit. It's really simple, which is why the Bulls haven't won shit since Michael Jordan and Jerry Krause died.

SPEAKER_01 25:30

I was gonna say, I was like, well, some people will say it was because you had the great player and then Jerry Krause died. It's like which which which which one is actually which one's real? Did organizations win championships, or does arguably the greatest basketball player of all time win win your championships?

SPEAKER_03 25:47

I mean he didn't hurt, it didn't it didn't hurt having them, but I just man, Jerry Krause had an eye for talent. Like he went and got Scottie Pippen from central Arkansas, right? You know, he took a dude with goggles and horse grant and he salvaged Dennis Rodman's career.

SPEAKER_01 26:07

This man got a guy named this guy made this guy got a man named Luke without a K or an E in Luke Lodley.

SPEAKER_03 26:16

Yeah, yeah. I used to call him Big Dookie when I was a kid. So man, did you really call him Big?

SPEAKER_01 26:24

So when you say that, man, that that that brings up a core memory with me. So like I used to play NBA Live 97 on my on my computer back in the day, and there wasn't a whole lot of like live commentary, but when I would play that, my my sister was downstairs with me, and I remember playing the Utah Jazz. And you remember uh Greg Ostertag? Mm-hmm. I used to call him something different when I was a kid, can't say that now. I'm not sure what you used to call them, but it sounded like something different. And my sister, so so she's she's four years younger than me, right? So I would have been 13 at the time, so she was like eight or nine, and she thought they were saying Greg Ostrich Head.

SPEAKER_02 27:08

Every time I was playing that game, she just yelled Greg Ostrich Head.

SPEAKER_03 27:17

You gotta love little sisters.

SPEAKER_02 27:19

What did you okay? Honestly, what did you think they were saying or what did you used to call it? Because I'm super intrigued now, man.

SPEAKER_03 27:29

I'll tell you off of air. I can't you gotta remember we played them in real back to back years. So we played them in the finals back to back years, so you have to understand where I was coming from.

SPEAKER_01 27:46

So I'm like, I'm pretty good at being able to pick up what a nickname or what somebody might call somebody. I'm having a real time, a real hard time figuring out what you would have called him, but I'm I'm intrigued off air. Well, check your phone. I texted too. Oh, you texted me?

SPEAKER_02 28:09

Oh, there we go.

SPEAKER_01 28:13

That's gonna be bad. That's gonna be bad for the audience. And honestly, I'm actually kind of I'm kind of disappointed myself for not actually figuring that earlier because I'm pretty good with being able to have have the mind work fast enough. Nope. Um, if you're not watching, I'm gonna get canceled.

SPEAKER_03 28:28

Um he called them and to get to get to the chat.

SPEAKER_01 28:41

Um Nigel, thanks for thanks for stopping him, man. Because uh where I do like where Tennessee is going is that Salah obviously learned something from the Jets experience and brought it uh in an actual OC, or or or brought in an actual OC. Um again, it remains to be seen if that's going to actually work or not, but um I do feel like that's that that's that's part of the the equation, right? You know, you you maybe you outkicked your coverage on getting one of these gigs because sometimes, like there's again, there's only 32 of them. So sometimes you have to, if somebody's offering you the job, sometimes you gotta take it to know if you can actually do it or not, and sometimes you fail, sometimes you succeed, and maybe that's what that was one of the things. And I think that Nigel makes a great point is that maybe he took some of the failures and realized that I can't do everything on my own. I gotta surround myself with good people on the other side of the ball that I'm not really that acquainted to, or not acquainted to, because obviously, if you coach football, you you know both sides, but it's not your expertise. So maybe he did learn something. Um, but again, the talent ain't there. So Tennessee got a long road to hoe, I think.

SPEAKER_03 29:53

Yeah, they they definitely do, but I I like I love Dayball. Like, I love Brian Dayball, so I'm I'm eager to see how he works with Cam. I'm not the biggest Cam guy, so you know, prove me wrong.

SPEAKER_01 30:09

I think what's gonna happen. I will write this story for you guys right now. Brian Dable and the Tennessee Titans are going to probably. I don't want to make it a proclamation, but this is what I think is gonna happen. Most specifically, if it happens, the Titans win the division, Cam Ward wins like comeback player of the year or whatever. And everyone's gonna say Brian Dable is the guy, right? He fixed Josh Allen, he fixed Daniel Jones. I feel like they're gonna figure things out this year in a vacuum, and then in 2027, that team's back to a four or five win team because Brian Dable is not that good of a coach, it's just he knows how to get the most out of an athletic quarterback when nobody knows what to do with him at that time, and then they get figured out. Josh Allen technically isn't that necessarily, but you know where I'm going with as far as like how much credit he gets for what's around him.

SPEAKER_03 31:08

Yeah, I mean, it's possible, it's it's possible. I mean, it's also possible that they win three games and they're picking number one next year, too, because the lack of talent. You gotta have talent to win, and I just don't see it in Tennessee.

SPEAKER_01 31:26

No, it's like like you and I talked about this the other day, or when when Sean was on, and we talked about when LeBron talked about how Memphis needs to move from Memphis to to Nashville. And I said, Man, the the the Titan, like the state of Tennessee barely even tolerate tolerates the Titans. I mean, I know I know it's it's football, and people care about football, but nobody cares about the Titans really, though.

SPEAKER_03 31:51

Look, I don't I don't know no Titan fans. I can't say that people care. I mean, they got a new stadium, they got that going for them. So, you know.

SPEAKER_01 32:01

Well, and that's because because football matters, like in this country, football matters, and that's the whole reason why these things and these structures get built is because football is above everything else. That's what that's what matters. Um and and Nineville said they play in the right division. That's and that was kind of my point is that you know they they play in the the correct division where first to worst or worst to first is is not unattainable in the AFC South. Like CJ Stroud doesn't seem to be that guy that they're the Houston defense is crazy good, but you never know what you're getting with Jacksonville all the time. They're now all of a sudden they're they're flipping Travis Hunter back from most of the time wide receiver back to most of the time cornerback. It feels like they have no idea what the hell that they're doing either. And the Colts are the Colts because you still have Daniel Jones, like the AFC South is just a mess.

SPEAKER_03 32:59

I'm a Liam Cohen believer, so that's that's the Jaguars division going forward. I love Liam Cohen. Duval, yeah, that's my guy. I'll do it too. Duval.

SPEAKER_01 33:16

Is it good? Is that was that was that pretty good? I definitely favor. Talking about Jacksonville and and and Cohen though, um what what's kind of your thought on the whole Travis Hunter moving from two-thirds wide receiver to two-thirds corner now? It's to me, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It feels like it's it's a it's a mismanagement of a player when you trade up to get somebody and you still have no idea where you even want to play him.

SPEAKER_03 33:51

My thoughts on Travis Hunter is he is a phenomenal athlete and and okay to good football player. I don't feel like he's I don't think he's a great corner, I don't think he's a great wide receiver, he's a great athlete that plays football. Like he's I don't like come on, man. I'm not expecting you gonna come you're gonna go cover Jamar Chase, you're gonna go cover CeeDee Lamb. I don't think he's like that. He's not Stingley, he's not Pat Sertan, and on the other end, he's not Christian Gonzalez, he's no, no, he's none of that. So I'm not the Travis Hunter fan. Like I hope he succeeds because it's a great story, but man, you gave up a first-round draft pick to move up and draft, buddy. For what to me, that that's how I look at it.

SPEAKER_01 34:47

You just went straight Ricky Waters for what for who. Now we know we have with Brian Thomas Jr. and with Parker that there's that they're thinking, all right, well, we don't need the wide receiver anymore, even though wide receiver is, I guess you could say, more valuable to a degree. But if you've already got number one, we need you on the opposite side to kind of counterbalance that we don't have a true number one corner. But like you said, I'm I'm I'm in the same camp that you are. I don't think he's a true number one corner. I think he's great at everything about him, just he's he screens a rich man's Troy Brown, like he could do everything, but you don't want him to be your number one wide receiver, you don't want him to be your number one corner, but in a pinch, you can put him anywhere. And that seems kind of disrespectful. I'm I'm I'm large, I'm being a little bit of out of pocket on that, but that's what it feels like. Like you can play him anywhere, but he's not gonna be great, he's not as he's he's not a specialist on anything. He's like you said, he's a great athlete, but is he a great football player? Obviously, you got drafted in the NFL, you're great at football, but the specialization and the the isolation of what can you do and what can you bring me? I'm with you. I don't feel like he brings it that.

SPEAKER_03 36:16

The one thing I will say though, his athleticism is elite enough to where he can be a great DB. I don't foresee him ever being a great wide receiver, like, but uh he can be a great DB, I just don't see it yet. Like you're gonna have to show me, show me you can go out there and cover these guys, like well, and that's you covering the slot. Can you cover in space?

SPEAKER_01 36:43

Well, things like I feel like he's he's got the speed where he can make up, you know. If he gets beat, he can make up some of that space, but it's also again like he's also coming into year two. So is it most people who are drafted in the top five, they're not usually they're they're not their full form, anyways, right? They're not the the the finished product. So to be, I don't want to beat up on him too much, but it's also man, like you you're you've been so good. We talked about this beforehand. Is like at the high school and college level, it's different than the NFL. You're going as grown men and the best of the best of the best, and you are not the best, even probably at your position on your own team at wide receiver or corner, doesn't mean you can't potentially grow into it, but again, what you gave up to get this dude, he's supposed to be that impact of a player, and so far he just he just hasn't been that yet. So I don't want to dog the kid, but it's also man, it's gonna it's gonna look like a bad draft pick. And if if he doesn't become an elite corner by the end of this season, it is going to look like one of the big it won't be like Ricky Williams when the the Saints traded everything to go get him, but it's gonna feel pretty similar based on the return that you're gonna get from him.

SPEAKER_03 38:07

Yeah, I um I think he'll be a good player. I just don't see gold jacket, like I don't see all pros. Like I've just be a Pro Bowl player and you know have a good career. I just I don't see it. Oh, let's talk about the chat.

SPEAKER_01 38:28

Yeah, and Nigel just I think he's he said I think he's better than Sauce. And the thing is that Sauce had a pretty good rookie year, and he's been a disappointment since then. And I don't really know what to do with the cornerback play. I'm not gonna sit here and pretend like I know one way or the other, like who's better than who, uh, especially because we didn't see Travis on the defensive side of the ball that much, right? He was only there for a third of the time, and he also missed a third of the season. So it's it's really hard to kind of put a fair assessment on if he can play DB at the NFL level. But Sauce is one of those guys where, yeah, great rookie season, and maybe he's just not that dude.

SPEAKER_03 39:18

I think sauce is ass.

SPEAKER_01 39:20

So I love that every time that I every time that I try to be nice and cordial and try to try to look at the best part, you and LaShawn just come up and be like, nah, he cheeks.

SPEAKER_03 39:36

Call him a mod. He don't even deserve to be called sauce, but call him by his name, call him a mod. Like, yo. Every time it's his government name. Man, all right. I'm gonna call him clay. So I'm I'm good on sauce. If it's not Marinero, I'm gonna pass. Oh damn, dude.

SPEAKER_01 40:06

This that was that was kind of I I actually now I actually feel bad for Mr. Gardner now.

SPEAKER_03 40:13

Yeah, they gave up two first-round draft picks for Buddy, too. Like, are you stupid?

SPEAKER_01 40:19

Well, and I actually that's the thing that I actually forgot about that even because Indy. We were just talking about the AFC South and and going back to it, that's another stupid, dummy move. Like, if you thought that Sauce Gardner was really that good, which one I I don't I don't feel the exact same way that you do about how good or not that he is, but to give up two first rounders for a team where Daniel Jones is your starting quarterback and you think that's the push you need to make. That just to me, it's just it's it's a fail on every single level organizationally. You gave Daniel Jones money, you trade for sauce Gardner, you're not that good. It's not the boyfriend that you can fix.

SPEAKER_03 41:07

I want to know how Chris Ballard still has a job.

SPEAKER_01 41:11

He knows where all the bodies are kept, bro.

SPEAKER_03 41:15

He gotta be one of the Ursay daughters or something because there's no way this dude still has a job. He's on that Ursay hearsay, he knows no Super Bowl appearances, no anything, but you you're still employed. I need that kind of job security.

SPEAKER_01 41:36

I think that but so we talked about this earlier, like like nobody cares about the Titans. This is one of those things where if this was a big franchise, if this was a huge fan base following throughout the country, what Chris Ballard has done with the malpractice would be a big deal, but nobody cares about Indiana. The only people who care about the Colts are people who live in Indy, like Indiana.

SPEAKER_03 42:00

That's the only people who care, and that's because that's all they have. Because Indiana is a trash state, it's they have the who they have the Hoosiers, and they got I don't yep. I don't give a damn if they did just win the national championship. You're not gonna convince me Indiana's a football school. Fuck out of here.

SPEAKER_01 42:26

No, that's no, that that was that's a that's a that was a flash in the pan once in a lifetime achievement. And like look, Signeti gets all the credit for that. I believe.

SPEAKER_03 42:37

Do you know how much money I lost betting against Indiana because I just knew the shoe was gonna drop?

SPEAKER_01 42:44

At some point, dude. That's it's the opposite way of me with like DraftKings with Kyle Pitts. I keep saying I know there's gonna be one game where this dude's gonna go off, and he never does, and you kept expecting Indiana to lose. They just like your your the the Hoosiers were my Kyle Pitts for you in a reverse fashion.

SPEAKER_03 43:04

Like they like how how did they the chat?

SPEAKER_01 43:11

Uh Indiana not really a basketball school. No, there Indiana is not really a basketball school anymore, but that when we do word association, oh, and I need to get to you on on word association too, because in the chat you had said you want to do word association, but you never really gave me any context. But when we when we do word association with Indiana, we think basketball, we think Hoosiers because there's a movie, we think Bobby Knight. Like there is a level of whether you believe it or not, still is not really the point. But Indiana, if you if you say Indiana College Sports, what do you associate it with? Now you might say national championship.

unknown 44:01

No.

SPEAKER_03 44:05

It's just where my head goes. Anytime I hear Indiana, I'm like, somebody's hanging from a tree.

SPEAKER_01 44:12

Oh, you think that Bobby, you think the last name of Bobby Knight is spelled with uh three Ks, and none of them are silent. Two G's. None of them are silent. Good lord. But I mean, I mean, I get why you say it though. Damn, dude.

SPEAKER_03 44:32

Once you get down there in southern Indiana, it's different, man. I'm trying to tell you.

SPEAKER_01 44:37

Oh man. The Jacksons are the only thing that Indiana has ever produced. That's Michael. Sorry. I need to redeem myself. The last two minutes have it's awful for the audio audience, but I don't really care. Um with uh with word association, yeah. You brought that up in the chat. You said we need to do word association. What what what exactly I feel like there was a game that you wanted to play, but you were kind of trailing it along. What did you mean by that? What what what exactly are we doing word association with?

SPEAKER_03 45:17

Like, man, we just we just throw out some random names, coaches, players, and first thing that comes to mind. Like you and say sauce gardener, I'd have said ass. I've been the first thing that came into my mind.

SPEAKER_01 45:31

But see, I didn't know that. Okay, so you seem what what did you have in the chamber already that you wanted to ask me? Because we can we can do this. I I I love this exercise, but I just wasn't really sure where we were supposed to land on it.

SPEAKER_03 45:44

Hey Josh Allen.

SPEAKER_02 45:51

You you son of a bitch. I got too many thoughts. I just wanted that first.

SPEAKER_01 46:01

No. Um, I will I will say what I when the word association I had with Josh Allen is the exact same thing I had with Michael Jordan and LeBron James. I hate their stands. Like if you if you talk about Josh Allen and never think about any of the bad things that he's done or the inefficiencies or anything like that, I can't stand you. So my word of my word association with Josh Allen is can't stand the stands.

SPEAKER_03 46:33

Joe Brady.

SPEAKER_01 46:54

It would have made more sense if they did it when he was still a Carolina Panther because of what Sean McDermott has done in the past.

SPEAKER_03 47:03

Mike Vrabel.

SPEAKER_01 47:08

Should have cut that wiener off. I mean win a Super Bowl when you don't have to worry about it.

SPEAKER_03 47:21

Yeah, you you learned from Robert Craft. You know, that's the Patriot way.

SPEAKER_01 47:27

It is it is the Patriot way.

SPEAKER_03 47:33

Uh uh, let's see, what else? What are the word associated? Oh, Giannis enter the Kumbo.

SPEAKER_01 47:42

Um, ooh. I feel like that man's fake as hell. I do, I I cannot stand Giannis, and I can't again, I can't stand his stands, dude. This man continuously every year is like winning's the only thing that matters, and then he goes, Well, we can't win every year, and then it's like I want to be a buck forever, and then he goes, All I want to do is win, but I don't want no, he's played the American media like a fiddle, and I I can't stand him, I can't stand his stands. I I legitimately cannot stand that man.

SPEAKER_02 48:28

Do you think I'm being out? Do you think I'm being overreactionary or being a weirdo for it? No, I mean you've you've been consistent with this for years, so this is fine. I'm just doing it. But do you think I'm wrong?

SPEAKER_03 48:45

He I don't I can see how you say it. I think he doesn't want to get that LeBron going to Miami treatment. Like, I think he wants to stay loved by people. I don't think he's actually like when he says, Oh, I want to be a bug for you're lying. You you don't, you did, and now you don't. Yeah, I don't blame you. Who the fuck wants to live in Wisconsin?

SPEAKER_01 49:15

Not me. I treat him the same way that not not the exact same way, because I feel like Dame it was more organic and he actually kind of kept it a little bit more real, whereas Giannis is kind of just going, he's he's flipping flopping too much. Where Dame, I I still I still don't like Dame as much because he played the loyalty card too much, but Giannis is on a whole other level, and I just I can't get down with I can't get down with him.

SPEAKER_02 49:52

Um dismissive of that.

SPEAKER_03 50:07

You know, you know why he doesn't get killed the way you know you criticize him. It's because he's foreign. That thing like he comes off as this lovable foreign guy, and like, oh, he's just a gosh golly g whiz, like so he doesn't get killed for it.

SPEAKER_01 50:27

Well, and and I've said that most and I'm what I really do appreciate is the fact that you said I'm consistent. Whatever I have, I am consistent. If there's new information, I am willing to change my mind. I am not so strident where I say I can't change my mind, but if I really do feel a certain way, I will be there and stand 10 toes down on that opinion until something else brings it to my to my attention. Giannis has been that dude for a while. I think what what it was is that I know this is really gonna sound like a really weird thing, but the moment that I saw him, and this is gonna sound weird because obviously it was another white dude, but when he ran down the court and basically body checked Mike Dunley Jr. when he was like 19, I thought this this man's got this man's got some issues. But that that it's because I don't do that with every single player, but because Giannis is so polarizing, because so many people love him, because he's he's such an attachment to us in the sports world. I saw that clip and it lives rent-free, and I go, there's something unstable about this man, and it's going to come out.

SPEAKER_03 51:43

Yeah, I mean, like, you know, how you feel about Giannis is how I feel about Devin Booker. I think Devin Booker is overrated.

SPEAKER_01 51:54

Um I have a I have a at best a number two. The thing with Devin Booker is I I have a weird timeline with him because I remember when he came out, I thought, man, Devin Booker's really good at basketball. And I used to get clowned on there like, well, the Suns are the Suns are ass. They're not any good. And I said, Well, that's not his fault. Devin Devin Booker's good at basketball. And then the longer the beginning of his career, I go, Yeah, he's a hooper, but can you win with him?

SPEAKER_03 52:29

You remember that old clip from the like the 30 for 30 about the fat five where the fat five players are describing uh Grant Hill. And Ray King at the end says he's a bitch. That's how I feel about David Booker.

SPEAKER_01 52:48

Like he uh is a bitch. He he uh he exerts behavior uh that would be that one of a it's really tough. It's tough to beat those allegations on certain things, man. It really is.

SPEAKER_03 53:13

I loved Devin Booker until I saw a clip, and this is an old clip, and we're playing a pickup game, and oh, you can't double team, yeah. Bro, ever since then, I'm like, bro, you a hoe. Like you're whining in a pickup game. I understand. Is doubling and pickup normal? No, but if I'm trying to win, I don't care.

SPEAKER_01 53:42

Also, it's not moving the goalpost. You are a professional basketball player, you're supposed to be better than all of them. Would you complain? Hey, that's a legal defense and pickup. No, I'm with you on that, man. That Devin, you know what? I wasn't so anti-Devin Booker until now, but I'm anti-Devin Booker. Get out of here, man.

SPEAKER_03 54:02

That's how I feel about it. Like, you you're just a you little vagina to me. Like, go squirt somewhere, like, go do something, like just I'm not a Devin Booker fan at all.

SPEAKER_01 54:18

Like, no, I I because again, like I wasn't a Devin Booker fan. I I think that because I've been a Bills fan for you know almost 40 years, I have this appreciation for you know, when people have largely been losers in the in the sports landscape, I give them it's like Charles Barkley. Like, I have a certain place in my heart for people who don't win championships, but I realize their greatness. But no, Devin Booker's like I knew that he was good at basketball, but yeah, the the more I the more that you put it into my headspace, nah that you know bitch, he is and and then the fact he's from Detroit. Come on now, like oh that's uh that's uh yeah. Oh, I I should have cued the music. That that'll be it. You can for for for your for your Detroit, you can basically make it a Devin Booker disc.

SPEAKER_03 55:08

I can't stand Devin Booker, man. Nancy, Devin Booker, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:16

No, and and so night Nigel's in here. Yeah, he said I legit wanted uh Dame to stay in Portland. Like I kind of did too, mostly just for consistency because if it felt like he started playing things. Uh, he better hope Curry can't put on a cape tonight. I'm not worried about the Warriors like that. I don't the Warriors are done, it don't matter. Uh and Charles wasn't a no, you're right. Because Chuck's my favorite player of all time. Like he says some outlandish stuff, but the whole reason why I became a Suns fan is I don't I was never like a Suns or a Rockets fan. Charles Barkley is my favorite basketball player of all time. I'm not saying he's the greatest, but he's my favorite. And uh yeah, no, Chuck Chuck wasn't no that's for damn sure.

SPEAKER_03 56:02

Under underappreciated, underappreciated if it wasn't for a guy named Michael Jordan, he would be held in higher regard because he would have won a ring.

SPEAKER_01 56:12

Honestly, if we would have the way that we have talked about Braun beating that 73 and 9, I because obviously there was there was the Draymond thing, and we'll get to that in a moment with the metal, it kind of will segue itself in. But we it would have almost been this actually kind of sounds disrespectful saying it this way, but like Eli Manning, nobody thinks is a great quarterback, or it but what he's known for is beating Tom Brady, regardless of like it was the Patriots, not Brady. But the nostalgia and the ward association is Eli Manning beat Tom Brady twice, so he put him on a pedestal. If Charles Barkley would have beat the Bulls in their finals matchup, he'd be looked at as a god, man.

SPEAKER_03 56:59

Yeah, because during that time, Charles Barkley had a claim to be the second best player in the league, like he did, like he was dominant as a sick, like people. Oh, he was six six. No, he's not six six, right?

SPEAKER_01 57:14

No, he's not, he's not six six, no.

SPEAKER_03 57:17

He is not six at all, he's mad six four. Like, you know, working downtown Chicago, you see some people, and I've seen six six and six ten, like Rasheed Wallace is a legit 6'10. Charles Barkley is not that much taller than me. No, no, chuck Chuck is Chuck is probably 6'4, right? He was just a phenomenal athlete. Then he was still dunking and he was fat, and like Charles Barkley was cold, right?

SPEAKER_01 57:51

Yo, si so Sixers Chuck and early sons Chuck, bro, that man was a problem. He was so ahead of his time, too. Because since he was my favorite player, I watched him play so much, and he kind of revolutionized like how we look at big guys now because he was the first like power forward that I can remember who really initiated offense, brought the ball up the court, would ISO you and step back and and and take threes on you. That man was just different.

SPEAKER_03 58:25

Yeah, he he set the you know, he made Chris Weber possible, he made Larry Johnson possible. Like all that started with Charles Bargain.

SPEAKER_01 58:37

No, for no, for for sure. And I we don't always do word like the word association thing, we don't really do that with with Chuck, but I mean, yeah, man, he really did kind of I think I think if he was actually 6'7 or 6'8, maybe we would talk about him in that regard, but because he he was designated the power forward slot because of the position in basketball, but he really played more like a small forward, and we don't really we don't associate him with like big man, right? Like Dirk is somebody who gets more credit for what how Chuck played than how Chuck actually played, and being European helps, like we talked about with Jonas.

SPEAKER_03 59:17

If he was built like the pervert, then he would be a top five player of all time.

SPEAKER_01 59:24

Oh, you mean he was built like Carl Malone? I wasn't sure if you meant I wasn't sure if you meant Malone or Giddy.

SPEAKER_03 59:33

Oh Giddy built like a little like a little girl, he just tall.

SPEAKER_01 59:40

But the perv, he's just 69260. Like Carl Malone's another weird one where that man, physique-wise, he was basically David Robinson or Dwight Howard, but shorter because like that man just was he was yoked, and the fact that that man would just bury 14-foot turnaround jumpers on you.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:07

I thought you were gonna say 14-year-old girls. I was just where you were going. He just said, But you know what?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:26

No, no, I wasn't gonna go there, but that man has earned that reputation.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:31

Oh he's a hell for child for Carl Malone.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:36

Um, I know with the Mormons, they usually have like there's what seven levels of of heaven, and how good you are, you get to be at a certain level. There's seven, it's Dante's inferno for for Carl Malone.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:50

Carl Malone is the is like if he was a city, he would be Detroit. Just trash.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:03

Hey man, if there's one thing that you and I can never be um no one can ever say that we're not consistent. I I like that. We we we are we are the mayors of consistentville. Absolutely, god uh you've I I told you before, and this is gonna be bad for audio, but again, man, like I always love talking to you because you always have just you're just quick with everything. You're funny as hell, dude. I love you.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:29

Quick hey, leave that to the white boys, leave leave that to the white boys. Like the older I get, the quicker it is.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:43

So hey, we got Gray's anatomy to watch. Let's go.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:51

Come on, we guys are working for me. Hurry up and go to sleep. So the last on your side.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:04

I will say this like the the one thing that I don't know. All right, I don't want to get too too personal on certain things. We I mean we're all we're obviously already here, we've already done this, but like, does your wife um is she a bed hogger? Because my wife is like we a bed is pretty standard, right? And it's like you be the way that I look at things is a bed is a bed, you should start on the third, I should start on the third, and sometimes we meet in the middle, and that's fine. But when you start on half of it, I only have a quarter, and I have no turn to I have nowhere to roll over. My wife, like she likes to snuggle or or says that she likes to snuggle, but sometimes she's so out and she'll just flop. Like, I get punched in the face, I would say, twice a night regularly. Is that kind of how how your Diana goes?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:58

She used to sleep like a toddler, and I'm like, bro, what the hell is like I don't know. Oh, like legs are all spread out, legs and arms are just like this, and she's moving and flopping around to the point where it's like she smacked me one day, and I'm going to beat her ass, bro. Like, she hit me hard. Like, I'm like, bro, this this motherfucker just slapped the shit out of me. So I just went to the couch and she's like, Why did you leave? I'm like, Because you sleep like a three-year-old, that's why I left now. Because there are two big ass kids that sleep in the middle, it doesn't matter. She's on the edge, I'm on the edge, and they take up the vast majority of the bed.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:42

So and I I don't want to make this sound like uh I'm not an awful sleeper as well, because I I don't do it every night, but there are some nights where I snore like crazy, and I get it. So I'm not I'm not just making this all about her, I'm not trying to be the bad person, but we're just talking about experiences. But yeah, the other day, she was like zonged out, but again, she likes to start, she likes to start her sleeping venture in the middle of the bed, and I think I don't have any room, especially because we got three cats, and they'll interchange when they come up, but two of them want to sleep like in between us. So I'm again, man, I'm 6'3, 220. I'm not like a I'm not a wide body, I'm not a lineman that Josh Allen throws to in the playoffs against Houston, but you know, I got I got some I got some size to me, and uh I can't do nothing. She any movement that she makes is a it's a punch in the face, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:37

And then can't move her over because like she has the strongest legs known to man. Like, I'm like, bro, this is this is wild. Like, I don't know how your legs are this strong. Because we we've played games where it's like, all right, you put your feet against mine, we're gonna see who bro. I fly back, bro. I fly back. I'm not even gonna lie to you. Like that, like she got legs like Reggie White or something. Like, I don't know. If she ever kicks somebody, they're dead, they're dead easily.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:10

Well, and that's it's funny that you mentioned that because I don't think about it all the time. Because like, so so so my wife plays softball and she used to play competitively. She had an offer to like University of Washington, like, that's how good she was when she was in high school. She's very she has a very strong lower body. And when we had Braxton, the nurses weren't because like she weren't strong enough to hold her legs back when she was delivering. So I had I had to cut my arm and hold her legs back. It was, and I know I know it sounds awful, but like it's one of the mem it's one of the most fond memories that I have, is just like it's it's such a funny thing. Like you're there for like people say, I was there for the birth of my child. No, I was there there.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:00

Yeah, but like I'd tell her, I'm like, bro, if we ever need to demolish the house, I'm just gonna let you kick it down. Like, I don't like there, there we go. Upper body, weak as hell, though. Tell you that much. Weak ass.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:17

Our wives are built similarly. We also have we both have kids named Braxton, too. Like, it's kind of ironic. Um, but the last the last talking point I want to get to was uh Lamello because I I kind of put this in the chat, and I'm not sure where I land on this, especially where uh where CR was. He's he said he thought it was a dirty play, but that he shouldn't be suspended. And is he kind of slowly becoming the new Draymond? Do you think he should have been suspended? Where do you like the whole bam at a bio leg trip? Where do you land on that?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:54

I'm more aggravated with bam than I am Lanello. Really?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:59

Yeah, like I shouldn't be surprised with that coming from you though because she hurts, so you leave a playoff game. Have you ever felt have you ever felt on your tailbone though, dude? That that hurts on the on the hardwood? It does.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:12

I'm I played I played football. The one time I didn't have my pad in, of course, I take a helmet to the tailbone, so it hurts like him. I get it, but bro, that's a playoff game. You do you think he do you think that basically would have played? Do you think that he's a booty hurt?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:45

Like do you think that do you think uh he uh he didn't come back on purpose then? Like it wasn't hurt that bad, but he's just like this team, this team is cheeks, and we have no chance anyway, so I might as well not I have that to fall back on, kind of thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:00

A bruised tailbone ain't never stopped Dwight Howard, so why would it stop them?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:07

You can't use Dwight Howard as the example, though.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:12

Dwight Howard was getting this shit blown out and then going and getting 20 and 20, and you fail on your butt, and you can't continue.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:23

Well, that when when did that happen? That was toward that was in the what the fourth quarter.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:28

No, that was like the third end of the first beginning of the second quarter.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:33

Oh, it was so for I see everything that I saw. I thought I thought it was happening towards the end of the game, so it happened early on, and he just decided, nah, that I'm a little bitch and I can't play.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:44

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:47

I remember when I was uh man, I was probably 13. I dislocated my shoulder during a basketball game, and I was so pissed that I couldn't play. I went and slammed my shoulder up against lockers just to put it back into place.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:02

And Dwight Howard probably was slamming his stuff against lockers so he could play. So, what was Bam's excuse?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:10

That man is gonna live, he he is living off the whole 83 thing, and and and and Deanna's Kuhn, who I'm not sure if that's his real name or not, I'm sure it's not, but he had posted like on his personal page, and I re-shared it, and I thought it was eloquent. Where uh Bam getting hurt on game 83 was ironic. That that that is poetic justice at its finest.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:34

Oh my god. Then I saw an interview where he started talking about like now they get now, they're guarding me differently. Shut up, no one is guarding you differently, bam. You scored.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:43

Yeah, you had like you had like 19 after you dropped 83. You had like 19 the second game. Nobody cares.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:49

You just like you took 35 threes and made like seven. Shut up, bam. You took 60 free throws. I was gonna say, and you took 60 free throws. Like, give me Asia, okay? I'm taking Asia over Bam every day of the week.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:09

That man absolutely outkicked his coverage.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:12

Oh, for real.

unknown 1:10:14

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:14

But to get back to the mellow, we're we're not here, we're not here for uh for bam. But is what do you think you should be suspended? Do you think that like because it is it is it's it's incident number two with the same player. Like, do you think that they personally have beef, or is it just kind of like because I don't usually see mellow do anything weird? I think that he's unorthodox, I think he's goofy, but I don't think he's he's necessarily a dirty player. But if maybe those two guys have something personal that we just don't know about.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:47

I mean, not that I have knowledge of, you know, about them having beef, but I mean, I just think LaMelo just a little F boy, and like he did it. Was it dirty? A little bit. Do I have a problem with it? Absolutely not. If you're not cheating, you're not trying. So I love that you have that mentality, like you have the Al Davis approach with that. I'm by we're gonna win by any means necessary. So if it's game seven of the finals and I'm playing Steph Curry, yeah, I'm gonna send that 13th man on the roster out and take a dive at his knee. I don't care. Did we win the championship? Yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:31

Hey, I'll pay us fine. You you were absolutely championing for Zaza Pachulia then. Yes, and no, because I mean that's Kawhi.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:44

So I did that piss.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:52

You know, any other time, I'm fine with it.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:56

I have circumstantial hatred, and I appreciate you for that.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:59

Yeah, like I don't, you know, I tell my son, I'm like, bro, if somebody up on you and you're trying to get past them, if you can get away with it, give them a little elbow in the gut. If you can, it's not it's only a foul if it's called.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:15

So and the and and that and that's the thing is that I know that I've seen this a lot, and I I know I'm not trying to sound like an old head, but when it comes to professional basketball, I can't stand what Shay is doing, mostly because like it's so egregious, it's so obvious with that forearm shiver. But I've seen James Harden do it, I've seen Steph, like everybody kind of has that little push off, and and and I get it, but it's it's not all the time. Shea will just straight up that mother will just he's stiff arming dudes, and I'm like, I can't Derrick Henry out there down with this. Yeah, he did, yeah. He he's Derrick Henry and Jamal Crawford for God's sake.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:57

We gotta stop this. Yeah, no, I'm I'm with you when you're right. I'm not uh but in the same token. It's like, man, if they're not gonna call it, I'm gonna keep doing it.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:09

Craig's in the building, Craig finally made it to alive. He said Lamello's dirty AF. What are we talking about? Says the Heat fan. Says the Heat fan. Oh, is he a Heat fan? Yes. Oh, Craig, you're gonna have some allegations to defend Jossault.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:32

Maybe he just don't like bam.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:36

I just like it's it's weird. So speaking of Lamelo, because like again, I don't feel like he's necessarily dirty. I do think that because of how the NBA is played now, there's a there's a lot he gets away with a lot of carries, but so does everybody else. I'm not really trying to make it about that. But what I do want to touch base with you on real quick is I'm not sure if you saw this clip, I'm sure that you did though. Is I I think they were playing San Antonio or maybe Sacramento, and LaMelo steals the ball and he's going in for a layup and then stops and then runs to the corner and jacks a three. Have you seen that? Yeah, I have my own opinion on what that was. What did you think of that play and how it completely transpired?

SPEAKER_03 1:14:18

Um, there was another clip of it where they zoomed in. Somebody stepped on the back of his foot so he couldn't take off, and he kind of tripped out to the three-point line. Like, so I don't think he purposely was going for the three, somebody stepped on the back of his heel.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:38

So I didn't see that, but like, so I I saw the original clip, right? And in real time, I saw him look back because like I remember I I was kind of the I was a one, two, and three when I used to hoop. I was a point guard slash shooting guard slash small forward just because of size and shooting and all sorts of shit. Right. So when he got when he got the ball and he started running down the court, I saw him look back and I thought this is very on brand for Lamello. He's probably gonna throw it up to whoever it is who's trailing for noop. So when he's when he has the ball, it's innocent. I see him look back, I'm like, oh, he's trying to do that. And then it looks like he lost the ball. And he goes, Well, I'm there's two guys chasing me, I'm probably gonna get blocked. So what he did is he rolled out to the baseline, and then nobody went to close out, so he shot a three. That's the way that I interpreted it was it felt like there was a lot going on in his mind, and he just kind of adapted to what was right in front of him for lack of a better term. And the result was he shot a three. Now, old heads are going, man, you get benched for doing that. If you're LaMelo ball, no, you one, you're not getting benched, you can just stop all that noise right away. But I had never seen what you had just mentioned to me, I had never seen it from that angle where somebody stepped on his foot. I had just I had seen it in real time and without it, without there being any real zoom in on what was actually happening. To me, it just seemed like in real in real time, it was hey, I'm about to get caught up, I'm gonna pull out. Because, like, we see that sometimes on in transition in transition buckets, where if you if you think you're gonna get blocked or you don't have the numbers, what do you do? You slow down, you pull out, and it looked like that's what he did, but then he goes, Well, no one's here. I'm gonna jack this open three. That's the way that I interpreted the play. I never knew that somebody stepped on his heel, though.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:23

Yeah, because I'm um I'm actually I'm trying to find the clip and I'm gonna text it to you when I find it. But he, yeah, he definitely I don't being that it's Lamello, he still could have been trying to do that, but I am that that is on the board. That like man, somebody stepped on his heel and he just ran out to the three-point line, as opposed to trying to force up an off balance layup.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:52

Yeah, I I do remember. I wish I remember who it was. I was watching this, it was man, probably seven, eight years ago. I was watching, I think it was like Bulls and Hawks, and uh somebody had sold the ball, and they were they were running down and easy layup. There's uncontested nobody around him, and he didn't shoot a three, but god damn it, did he think about it? You saw him kind of gather like he was gonna shoot the three, and I thought, oh my god, is this where is this where the NBA is going? It's where we ended up. But at the time, at the that moment, I really thought that's what was gonna happen.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:30

But that's exactly where we're at. I will give the NBA credit that this um the play-in games were really good. Because for the most part, I believe that the NBA is trash, but I've thoroughly enjoyed the play-in games, all of them, except for the Clippers game, because I fell asleep on that one.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:51

But other than that, let me let me ask you this because I I know the NBA gets a lot, it catches a lot of heat for um, you know, load management, the the season being too long, but you can make the exact same argument for baseball, you know, when when you're already out of contention, people are tanking, and and and so on and so forth. But when it comes to I saw this the other day, and this was this was a reel that I had that I had put out yesterday, was as far as tanking is concerned, because I don't feel like NBA ownership really cares about it because they use their they use their state, same thing with NFL owners too, or any sports owners, they use their stadiums for like concerts and things like that. So they don't really care about the gate as much as the usual fan things that they do because they have the income from the the TV and and streaming services and things like that. But the dynamic beer pricing, I think, is a is a really great way of getting more people into the gate, but also holding people responsible. Where you start at 10 bucks a beer, and if you win, you have the ability to move it up to 35 cents per win. And if you lose, you don't you knock it down by 20 cents a clip as well. Because if you're gonna watch the wizards, you might as well go for dollar beers, right? I feel like that's a way that you can help help change the dynamic and the story behind the tanking thing. Is if you want people to still go watch your trash product, give them a reason to go see it because they're still charging people full price for intentionally losing.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:23

Yeah, they are, and it's not gonna stop anytime soon. Like, they can try to put all the different parameters in play to stop tanking. It's not gonna stop, you're not gonna stop it. And I feel like fans of tanking teams need to stop supporting those teams. Like, why am I paying full price for this? Like, are you crazy? Are you stupid?

SPEAKER_01 1:19:52

Well, and I and I try I try to be reasonable about this because I do understand that where my location, I'm not in a position where I could go see a professional team, anyways, right? So I'm trying to be a little bit more uh empathetic with people who say, Well, I have to support this team, it's my team, I live close, I want to be able to watch this team, whether they were good beforehand, or it's because it's a location thing, or you were born into it, regardless of what the situation is. I can understand why people still want to support something that is awful, but by the same token as an economist myself to a degree, it's why why are you still doing this? This behavior is ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:36

I mean, we're people, we're stupid. I don't think you and I are stupid, I think most people are though.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:45

Craig says the mellow, Craig said Lomelo wishes he could have scored 83. I will tell you this right now: if that man wanted to put up 83, I'm pretty sure that that man could.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:57

Oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely, absolutely, absolutely, without a doubt. I mean, he it might take a bunch of shots, it might not be the most efficient 83, but he could do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:08

And I think what's weird is I've always had this mentality when it comes to the NFL or the NBA, is that well, those two sports specifically is that if you get your chance, you can prove that you belong. Now, the duration might change, but you're obviously there for a reason. And if some people like the like the Kevin Durant's and LeBron James's and the Steph Curries, is could you replace them? No. But if somebody really wanted to go be selfish and go try to set a record, I feel like a good majority of people could really try. Are you gonna win? No, are you gonna get exposed on defense and everything else? Yeah, but if you're that good at what you do to get to the pro level, if anybody really, really, really wanted to just bring a singular record just to do it, especially NBA with how skilled these guys are and how good they are at shooting, 83. I feel like would be a pretty easy bar. Not eat that's I'm not trying to diminish things, but I feel like a lot of people could get 83 if they really, really wanted to just get that number, and that was it.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:13

I would hope not because and I say that because like I would hope the other team would have some type of pride to stop them, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:22:24

Well, we know that Devin Booker couldn't, we know that Devin Booker couldn't get 83 because you can't double team. Craig says, I don't mind tanking. The thing is like I don't mind the strategic tanking for like a year, but when you're continuously just being trash because you don't care about the product that you put out, that's something different. It's there's there there are to me personally, there are levels to it. There, there's there's a strategic, hey, our quarterback went down, he's old. We need a quarterback. Let's just not sign a great quarterback, we'll be fine, and then we'll draft one. That's one thing. But when you continuously trot out a bad product, regardless of the sport year after year, just because you own the franchise and you don't really I don't know. I have a problem with that personally.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:20

Yeah, you just don't give a damn. You're just out there price gouging, and because you know the boy fans of Chicago are gonna keep coming out, so you keep raising prices and you keep your GMs too long, and you refuse to fire them, and now you're trying to bring Billy Donovan back. For what reason? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:44

I thought Billy Donovan was leaving Chicago.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:49

Not officially, we haven't had the word yet. There's they're gonna meet. The Bulls are trying to convince him to stay.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:57

Oh, because having a 400 winning percentage, you can't replace that.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:02

I don't even blame Billy, I really don't. Like, I think he's done a really good job with what he's had. I actually think he's done too good of a job because we should have been in a lottery years ago.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:16

But here we are. I think that that's and I I love talking to you about these certain things because that's a that's a real that's a real life situation, is that you overexceed what you're given in front of you because you expect either the management that you have to hold up their end of the bargain because you want the players or the infrastructure or whatever the case is, you're putting an investment in them by doing your best, and then you exceed, and then they go, Well, I mean, you clearly know what you're doing, we can we can take a step back, or you overachieve and you still fall short because the ultimate goal is championships and you can't deliver that. It's well, then we can just get it from anybody else. And I feel like Billy Billy Donovan is in that kind of when you mentioned that, it feels like he's kind of in that threshold now of you've exceeded expectations based on what is given to you. As because as a coach, your your job is to get the most out of the players that you have, right? And it feels like he's done that, but you're not giving him the best players to be able to get to the place where you're supposed to be, and now he is looked at as a failure when he's not. It's almost like Tom Thibodeau to a degree.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:28

Yeah, he's like he gets like every bit of juice out of that orange. Billy Donovan is a really good coach, too good of a coach. It's really, and this is me from a being a fan. It's hurt the Bulls long term. Like the Bulls, this is the first year the Bulls aren't in a play-in when they should have been a lottery team. If they didn't purposely get rid of Kobe White, Ayo Desumu, and the Bulls would have been in the play-in. Like they literally had to handcuff Billy for the Bulls to be ass. That speaks volumes to how good of a coach he is. And even look like the players that he got, like Rob Dillingham is playing like an actual lottery pick under Billy Donald. I think Billy's a great coach. I feel like if the win the magic fire Mosley, they should call Billy. He's just not the right coach for what we have right now.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:33

So do you think he's kind of almost like uh without the allegations and the scandal, he's like a white Ime that he's just that good of a coach, and you you you you plug and play him anywhere. I feel like he's a I just feel like he's a better coach than Ime. I I really do. Like, I really because I I don't I don't hear that when it comes to Billy Donovan. I don't really hear a whole lot of praise from him. I hear Ime because you know he's coached at Boston and Houston as opposed to just Chicago, which is living off the ghost of Michael Jordan and Phil Jackson past.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:09

Ime has had some elite talent in Boston and Houston. Billy's working with Josh Giddy and DeMar DeRozan. And not saying DeMar DeRozan isn't the future Hall of Famer, but like that's not Kevin Durant.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:24

Like, that's not Alper and Shangun.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:28

Like, like Houston's struggling right now. He's like there's they stumbled into the playoffs, so we're gonna see if they can beat the Lakers. But I I I love Billy Donovan. I just think it's time he deserves better. It's time for him to go.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:48

It's almost like the the way that you talk about Billy Donovan is almost the way that I think that again, if you would have asked me word association game that we played earlier, if Have said Billy Donovan, I would have gone my Tomlin. Being too good at what you do and being around the mid-mark every single year and over oh exceeding expectations, but never really being it all. I mean, it wasn't the same sport because Billy Donovan won back-to-back national championships, but that was in that was in college, not the NFL, whereas Mike Tomlin has the one ring as a Super Bowl. But like he hasn't even been remotely close since the first one. But you can make the argument that both were the best at what they did at the time and are kind of living off that reputation, and constantly they're constantly good every single year because of how good at what they are, but either the help, the or sometimes like the voices gets stale in the locker room. I think that that's kind of a lame way that most sports fans will equate this and just kind of dumb it down to that. But sometimes it's true, and I'm not sure if that's what the case is with Billy Donovan, but like you said, it feels like he overexceeds and overachieves every year with the roster that's put in front of him.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:02

Yeah, he's he's a great, great coach, and he doesn't get enough credit for he just needs to go somewhere with some talent. Like if you put Billy Donovan, like trade Billy Donovan with Tyloo. I think the Clippers are in the playoffs and not sitting at home.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:22

What if you put him in Milwaukee?

SPEAKER_03 1:29:26

Yeah, I really do. I think the Bucks are in the playoffs.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:31

It's mostly because I can't stand Doc Rivers. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:34

No, he's the most overrated coach in sports history. Like, it's not even close.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:42

Damn, I I wish that we would have had that on the conversational pieces. That that'll be for next week. We'll do most overrated coaches of all time.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:51

It is it is I mean, it is really he's he has the most blown 3-1 leads and the most blown 3-2 leads.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:01

Like it's really tough to defend him.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:05

He's coached he's coached a dozen Hall of Famers, he has one ring.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:12

So oh, all right. I want to wait until next next week, but I I want to ask you this that if he's overrated, given off what you just said, where do we put Marty Schottenheimer then?

SPEAKER_03 1:30:25

I don't rate him at all. Like, what has he done? He won a lot of games, he was a solid coach, but it's like he didn't win shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:37

I don't like the way that this is going because I know at some point in time. If I if I the thing is, like, if I never would have brought it up, because I'm going to right now, but in the conversational piece, if I would have said Marv Levy, it would have been overrated, didn't win, absolutely not, absolutely not.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:59

Like Martin Marv Levy got there a lot, it ain't his fault, it's kicker's ass.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:06

Like, but that's only one Super Bowl, though. They got the break speed off of him 52-17. So with no loop, with no lose, yeah. But thank god for Don B to give us one to give us one moment from that Super Bowl chasing down Leon Lett.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:24

Did Marv Levy even, I mean not Marv Levy, did Marty Schadenheimer even make a Super Bowl as a head coach?

SPEAKER_01 1:31:33

I I don't think so, actually. So it's like I know he he he made it. I I think he made it to two, maybe three AFC championship games, but I don't think he actually ever made a Super Bowl. That's a good to the goose.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:50

Yeah, he had uh great like he has a 613 win percentage as a regular season coach, it's 278 as a playoff coach. Like he ain't yikes, but they're all they're also one game sample sizes, though. But five and thirteen, that's that's a lot of years of not playing in the playoffs.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:16

That that is pretty bad.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:19

Like he had those chargers teams were loaded, they were absolutely loaded. Well, well, some of them were I remember that one when Lt went off and called the Patriots classless.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:41

Wasn't the the year that Lt because L T Lt currently has the the single season touchdown record, right? Yeah, wasn't that the year right before Sean Alexander had it? Like, wasn't it is it wasn't it one year then the next?

SPEAKER_03 1:32:59

I believe so. No more than two years, but yeah. I feel like that maybe Sean Alexander, so I was happy that he broke it.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:08

Okay, now okay, now now that we talk about over oh man, we can save some for next week, but now that we're here, overrated running backs. Can we do this real quick? Because I feel like it's it's it's Bo Jackson, and also no, it's huh? And Emmett Smith. Thank you. Thank god that somebody else said it besides me because everybody wants to fight me in the streets when I say Emmett Smith is overrated.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:39

Model of consistency, great running back, he's not the best of all time, he's not even in my team photo.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:48

Why do we even like when it comes to how we talk about players? Why is Emmett Smith never in the conversation of compiler? Is it because it's football? I mean because we do it. We call we call Frank Moore compiler, people do it with Drew Brees. So, I mean LeShawn would fight you right now. I mean, I don't have a problem with Drew Brees.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:17

Like, hey, Drew Brees is Drew Brees, he's nothing special to me, never won MVP. So seems like a compiler to me, but he he won. You know, Emmett Smith was a very good back, like he was solid, there was nothing he was bad at, but I just don't feel like he was special.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:47

I think what we do is we there there's certain one rings culture, I think, has a lot to do with it because people still do with like even Troy Aikman, and I think that Troy Aikman's one of the most overrated NFL quarterbacks that we've ever seen. And I I appreciate Craig stopping in, he goes, Emmett Smith is overrated because he's a cowboy. I appreciate your transparency and your honesty. Um, but there's certain things where like we we put people on a pedestal because of like we we might remember a certain moment, right? Emmett Smith going for like 290 or 260 or whatever it was against the Giants with a broken arm. That still resonates with people. Greg Jennings is the greatest wide receiver of all time because we saw him grab his leg and he'd be limping to Madden, you know. It's just like we have these moments that resonate with us. But I I'm I'm with you. I think that Emmett's one of the most again, it doesn't mean that he wasn't great, but being overrated is not saying that somebody's awful at what they do, it's just putting an appropriate label of your career. I don't feel like that's putting the brakes on something, like yeah, like let's calm this down.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:54

Like uh, like, hold on, like Devin Booker, overrated. The state of Michigan, overrated.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:03

You know what happens? I feel like that's a great place for us to end. Um, I oh I'm always so bad. I'm always so bad at doing this. Uh, because on the front end, I should say like, share, subscribe, rate, review, all that good stuff. Um, but before we get out of here, CR has to talk a bunch of about Michigan or about Detroit. Welcome to our Detroit slander.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:34

Detroit. I'm gonna say Detroit. I'm looking up the Tiger standard. I'm seeing how they're doing because wouldn't you pay Frank or Valdez all this money, but you did extend Tyreek Scooby, who's the best pitch from baseball. Are you stupid, Detroit? I think you are. You lost Motown, you lost Ford. Like, what do you have, Detroit? Nothing. That's right, Craig. Fuck Detroit. Craig said it. I can't wait for football season to start. I can't wait for the Lions fans to get off. Oh, we're back. I think I hope y'all win the division. And I hope we lose it a few again. I hope it hurts so bad. I hope it hurts. I hope so that Dan Campbell goes to the dental and fixes his disgusting teeth. Like, you're rich, you're a millionaire. There's no reason for your teeth to look like that. You have health insurance, sir. Fix your goddamn teeth. Your teeth look like Chicago potholes. Like, what are we doing? You have a worse than a Minnesota twin right now, Paige. Enjoy nothing. I hate you.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:53

Yo, that was at the very end, that was so much like little rascals. When you're like, dear Darla, I hate your stinking guts. You make me vomit.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:07

You're the scum between my toes. That's how I felt about Detroit, man. It's trash. Just trash. We didn't even like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:20

We didn't even get to the MLB uh contracts and stuff. We can save that for next week, though. Um, but Craig, Nigel, everybody else who uh stopped in the chat. Appreciate you guys. Um, we'll be here next week. Again, like, share, subscribe, review, leave the smash, uh, leave a five star review, smash them, do all the good stuff, man. I should have done this on the front end, but you guys know the drill steps. Say blessed. We'll catch you guys on the next one.