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Episode Summary: Neuroscientist-turned-publishing mogul Aurora Winter shares her radical midlife reinvention, moving from "safe and boring" to creative powerhouse at 50+. She reveals the brain science behind feeling stuck, her exact formula for helping authors make $250K per speech, and why your story might be worth millions.

🎙️ About This Episode

What happens when a successful neuroscientist decides that "playing it safe" is slowly killing her creativity? Aurora Winter's story will challenge everything you think you know about age, reinvention, and what's possible in the second half of life.

In this raw and revealing conversation, Aurora shares:

  • Why she abandoned her comfortable life in Canada for the creative chaos of Los Angeles
  • The neuroscience behind feeling "dead inside" (and how to fix it)
  • Her exact system for turning anyone's story into a 7-figure business
  • How authors really make money (hint: it's not book sales)

🌟 Guest: Aurora Winter

Background:

  • Neuroscientist, entrepreneur, and publishing expert
  • Founder of Same Page Publishing and Strategic Basics
  • Author of award-winning fantasy trilogy "Magic, Mystery & the Multiverse"
  • Former film/TV producer with background from Banff Media Festival
  • Has helped clients raise 7-8 figures through strategic messaging

Current Focus:

  • Helping experts turn their stories into million-dollar messages
  • Breaking down business insights from current events on YouTube
  • Launching Book 3 of her fantasy series (August 8th)

The last 6-12 months have been about rejecting a dangerous internal narrative: "It's too late." Aurora reveals how she caught herself living like her life was ending instead of embracing the possibility that her best creative years were still ahead.

🧠 The Neuroscience of Feeling Stuck

Two Types of "Dead Inside" Feelings:

1. Overwhelm & Poor Expectations Management

  • Having 200 items on your to-do list, completing 20, and feeling like a failure
  • Solution: Put 3 things on your list, complete 20, feel like a superhero
  • The importance of deep focus blocks (Aurora uses 90-minute creative sessions)

2. Disconnection from Purpose

  • Working without connecting to the bigger "why"
  • Moving tasks from A to B without understanding the impact
  • Solution: Reconnect with your creative calling

Aurora's Breakthrough Question:

"If I'm a little gear in the universe, what is the most valuable use of Aurora? How can I make the world a better place?"

Her Answer: Help people who are already making a difference make an even bigger difference through better communication.

🏠 The Great Reinvention: Canada to LA

The Safe Choice vs. The Creative Choice

  • Canada: Great healthcare, family support, rural safety
  • Los Angeles: Creative energy, collaborative opportunities, her son's encouragement

The Mindset Shift

  • From: "I've reached the top of my mountain, it's all downhill from here"
  • To: "What if I have another 30-50 years? How would I live differently?"

Result: Feeling younger, happier, and more creative than she had in years.

Rob Pene:

Okay, very good. Thanks. Everyone. Appreciate everyone here, especially Aurora Winter, for being our guest on the show. What stood out to me in the bio was the the neuroscience background that you have. I know you're a entrepreneur author, business owner. You've done it all. but I think for me, I'm very interested in the neuroscience aspect, and how you kind of dig deep on people's thoughts, and then eventually into the emotions and all that, because you've been successful, and you've done a lot of things. So I'm grateful that you're here, and I look forward to the conversation. Now, what's going to kick? Start the conversation is this question. If you were to look back in the last 6 to 12 months. and you were to turn that timeframe into a Netflix special.

Aurora Winter:

I love it, I love it.

Rob Pene:

What would be the title of your series? And why.

Aurora Winter:

Wow! Well, I love that. I have a background in film and television. And I just got back from the Banff Media festival. So I love the framing it as a Netflix special usually take more than a second to come. Really good title, but I think it's I would say pedal to the metal. Yeah, just Just for now, placeholder, because I feel like the last 6 to 12 months, I decided. oh, this is very revealing. Right out the gate. That sounds good. Oh, my God, Rob, whatever you got us into for your show, I decided that you know. Why am I? Why am I living as if this is the end of my life? And I should just, you know. And and I noticed that part of me was had this background conversation. It's too late.

Rob Pene:

Oh!

Aurora Winter:

I know right. It's not awful, but I'm being totally vulnerable and confessing this and I over the last 6 to 12 months. I just like, well, what if? What if this is not laptop chat of my life? What if this is only halfway through like? What if I lived another 30 years like, what if my best creative years are ahead of me? What? How would I show up? So I moved to Los Angeles. My son lives in Los Angeles, and he's been pleading with me to move to La, which is where I used to live. But I was living in British Columbia, Canada, which has got great medical care. I've got lots of family there. It was very safe.

Rob Pene:

Hmm.

Aurora Winter:

Whereas, coming back to La after being I, I moved with the covid coming back to La. It's like everything's happening. It's like the creative energy, the creative juice. And I feel I feel younger. happier, and more creative. I have a new book coming out next month. It's the 3rd book in this award winning fantasy, trilogy. multiverse. I started a new Youtube channel which you might see the sign there. Strategic basics. And I'm really challenging myself. And I'm loving it.

Rob Pene:

Hmm.

Aurora Winter:

It's so fun.

Rob Pene:

Hmm.

Aurora Winter:

No, that's a lot to share with what stands out.

Rob Pene:

Yeah, that's perfect. Because I think I need to hear this. I think this is a divine appointment where I need to hear this. So this is this. So it's almost essentially a reinvention or a reignition, you know, of. You and your passions and all that stuff. It sounds like.

Aurora Winter:

And you know what what is kind of amazing is before, when I was being safe living in Canada with the healthcare and the family and all that support, but not in the mainstream, like living in a more of a rural community. I felt older. But now, and I'm like, well. there's so many things to create, it's so interesting. And it's so fun. And it's interesting to some extent. We are only as old as we think. but it is interesting, like, you know. Maybe you and I could live another 30 years another 50 years. My dad is still alive, and he's 30 years older than I am. So how would I live my life if I knew that I could live 30 years? I think I was living like I've reached the top of my mountain. It's all downhill from here. But tell me why this stood out to you, and why this message is resonating with you today.

Rob Pene:

Yeah, the question I would have is, I can appreciate the the physical longevity right? But I know for me sometimes I could get really down on myself, and I know this is true. To be, for a lot of people is when we feel dead inside.

Aurora Winter:

Yeah.

Rob Pene:

Right, and we feel like there's no more left, emotionally or energetically for the future, although healthy. Right? I've been through that crazy health scare worked through it. And I'm thinking, Yeah, man, I'm going to go do this. Aka, hence the podcast launch at the beginning of the year. And then there's still that internal battle to where it's like really like. You know, is this it? You know, or you know, when you go through struggles, it's like. I feel dead inside. I don't want to do anything blah blah now. That could be health related on me, you know. But just that idea of Maybe it's not the end, you know.

Aurora Winter:

Well, I think you know. Let's tease apart the feeling dead inside. Kind of feeling I'll share for me. And then, if you want to be reveal for for you that school. So I think there's maybe 2 different kinds of feeling dead inside that happened for me. One is like I'm completely overwhelmed, and I'm complaining, completely unreasonable with how many things I could accomplish in a day. So I've got like 200 things on my list, and I get 20 done, and I feel like a loser. If I put 3 things on my list and I got 20 done, I'd feel like a superhero. Right? So for me, I can sometimes feel dead inside, or I might use slightly different words. But let's go with that. When I feel like there's a mountain of stuff to do, and I haven't connected to why I'm doing it, or what is the big picture, but just like, you know. stuff that needs to be moved from A to B, like responding to emails or stuff. But the other kind of feeling dead inside is something that I would love to lean into, because that other thing is just managing your time and your expectations. And for me it's blocking off time like I blocked off 90 min this morning to work on my book, and then I change task, and I focus on something else like, I'm very good if I focus deeply. But I'm not so good if I have all you know everything all at once. But the other kind of dead inside that I think is worth talking about is which matters a lot to me is like, why are we here on this planet, or why am I on the planet? Why are you on the planet, and in my opinion it's not to pay the mortgage.

Rob Pene:

Yeah.

Aurora Winter:

To shop at Trader Joe's, or even to send our kids to nice schools. I feel like for me. I need to connect with that joy of creating. And when I am creating, whether it's a book or a pod episode or a Youtube channel, my new Youtube Channel strategic basics, or even when I'm helping others like I help my clients create. Then I feel filled with joy because for me, my personal opinion or the way I like to live is, I think, we are all created in the image and likeness of the Creator. So for me. If I am expressing creativity, then I'm tapped into what is divine within me.

Rob Pene:

Now, maybe you have a different definition. It doesn't have to be my definition. But I noticed for me, if I work all the time and don't create, I can get pretty miserable. What about you? Yeah, I think it's the the conversation between being a specialist and a generalist. I can be a specialist on certain areas when I need to. But then I'm typically a generalist. Now that that then makes me feel trapped because I'm meandering. I'm doing a bunch of things, and I don't feel tied down to that calling, but I do know that that I'm tugged and pulled for something bigger, just like what you mentioned, but it just sometimes it doesn't feel like I'm even close to it now. I am achieving small little wins here and there but the fulfillment. And that's where I can. I can get into the okay. I'm not even doing what I need to do. What do I need to do confusion. want to do nothing, binge.

Aurora Winter:

Too much boots. I spent almost a year kind of in that energy. After I got my Mba in 2015 I had fun. I went to Italy, got an Mba. Because I thought, it's on my bucket list. I got to do it. That's like a decade ago, but after I had the Mba. Then I was like, Okay, what's next? And it was like, I had too many options which you probably have as well like. I could live anywhere in the world, and I do many different things. Start another business, or work work at Netflix.

Rob Pene:

Right, right, yeah.

Aurora Winter:

Whatever? And so I asked this question. I'm spiritual. So I basically asked God. So if if I'm a little gear in the universe which has got a bunch of gears which I see them as people and things and processes. What is the most valuable use of me of Aurora? How can I make the world a better place? How can I make the most impact.

Rob Pene:

Then.

Aurora Winter:

A better place, and so what came for me like I've loved communication since I was 9. I've written books since I was 9, although they weren't published. You know, I've studied neuroscience. I've launched several businesses that you know. Some of them made 7 figures. I've exited 3 businesses. I've raised 5 million dollars for another company. And what came up is if I can help people who are up to something who are already making a difference. make a bigger difference. That's the best use for Aurora.

Rob Pene:

Hmm.

Aurora Winter:

Because I have this skill set of communication, or even in the movie world. And many people are up to something, but they don't have that piece very strong. So that was the answer. But what would be the answer for you like? What is the most valuable use of you and the and the universe.

Rob Pene:

Yeah, see? That's a great question. In fact, that's a.

Aurora Winter:

Good question, and it's it's not something you have to have an immediate answer for. It's something you could, you know, sit with or meditate with in the morning.

Rob Pene:

Yeah, I I know. So we have 4 kids. And I used to teach public school and when I was teaching, parents would come up to me and say, man, we're so glad you're our kids. Teacher. I'm like, yep, I know. And then, when I had kids, I'm like, man. I'm so glad I'm your dad, because when I pour into people and when I'm teaching, I think that's when I feel I'm being used even further than that. What lights me up is when I talk about spiritual things, when I talk about God, and then even the history of that whole thought process. But then how it relates back to us and and our, you know, perception of ourselves. And then being used more, and then I would swing to the other side of the pendulum and be like, oh, you know what? Maybe I should just point to my kids, you know, if I if I only impact these 4. Then I've served my purpose. And then the other side, my kids are like, man. You need to go talk to more people. This is amazing, you know. Help our teammates and all that stuff. And now again, last year I couldn't do any of that stuff because I couldn't walk, talk, eat or sleep bad. So bad. maybe about that. Yeah, I'm trying to do as more as I can, but it's still I'm like, what am I doing?

Aurora Winter:

You were really sick last year.

Rob Pene:

Very very bad, very.

Aurora Winter:

How did you recover?

Rob Pene:

I stopped all the medication. I stopped licking, listening to the doctors.

Aurora Winter:

Hi.

Rob Pene:

Just did what I was doing, which is, eat right, sleep more, and stay hydrated, and do exercises and stuff like that. And then, from since I stopped. All of that I got better and better, and I can talk now, you know, before I couldn't I literally couldn't. It was so bad.

Aurora Winter:

Wow! You're reminding me. I just helped the client write a book. It's called The Vitality Solution, and it launched as a Number one bestseller on Amazon.

Rob Pene:

Hmm.

Aurora Winter:

She had a somewhat similar story. You'll tell me which parts are like yours, and which parts aren't. But in her early forties she felt like she was in her nineties. She was in a wheelchair. She couldn't talk, she was like, basically like she couldn't even think, really. And the doctors told her there was nothing further that they could do, and that she would die within 6 months, and she should, you know, organize her affairs. Nothing further they could do in a wheelchair and incoherent. So she decided, perhaps a bit like you, that that was not okay because she had kids and husband. And so then she just leaned into holistic health, and she got hydrated, slept better did iv vitamin therapy learned mindfulness. And now she's healthy and vibrant and vital. That's why we called her book The Vitality Solution. And now she's helping others. It's crazy, right? If you get a bad diagnosis. and then you take the medicine you can be at death's door.

Rob Pene:

Oh, man!

Aurora Winter:

How did you decide to stop all the medications? That must have been a scary choice.

Rob Pene:

Yeah, because we were testing so many medications. So they're like, yeah, you know, we practice medicine. So it's like, we test this test. This, and I I would feel bad and worse when I would take a new medication. So then I stop and take another one, and nothing changes. So I just got fed up, and I'm like, just not everything.

Aurora Winter:

Well, thank God that you did.

Rob Pene:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yep.

Aurora Winter:

Well, sounds like you can have a book about that.

Rob Pene:

You know it's I'm thinking of of something, you know. I'm thinking of something. So I've I've written. I've written 2, and I've ghost written 5.

Aurora Winter:

Okay.

Rob Pene:

So I. The 2 were just tests. One was very educational and another one was more into culture. Because I'm from Samoa. My name is actually.

Aurora Winter:

That's mouthful. I'm glad that I can just call you Rob. Yeah.

Rob Pene:

Yes, yeah. So that other book was about a little bit of my culture and upbringing. But I think, yeah, there's something to be said about this. I don't know what it what whatever I'm going through. So it's very, very interesting.

Aurora Winter:

See, I think that the biggest gift we can give others is our story.

Rob Pene:

Yes.

Aurora Winter:

Our experience. Because I mean, in today's age of AI. Anybody can generate generic words like that. But that's not meaningful. This is gobbledygook right. And so I really encouraging people to honor the value of their story and consider writing a book or doing a podcast or Youtube to be of service to others as the first.st Well, actually, the 1st reason to do it is for yourself to really process what's happened to you, and to look at your life and the challenges, and separate the wheat from the chaff or separate. Take the mud off the gold, and appreciate the gold and the gratitude from what you've been through. So that is worth it, even if nobody else reads your book, or it's valuable just to sort through and find the gold. Then the second reason is to make a bigger difference to, you know. Pay it forward so others don't suffer as as much. And then the 3rd reason because I'm I'm an entrepreneur. So entrepreneurs solve problems at a profit so potentially, there could be a business back end to some of these different ideas. I know my client who wrote the book the vitality Solution. With my help. She's got an iv vitamin health Spa. So she.

Rob Pene:

Actually.

Aurora Winter:

Yeah. So she is a go to person, for, you know, getting iv vitamin therapy and and other kinds of holistic health solutions. So the book makes sense because it's a lead magnet for her speaking, her consulting, and also for that business.

Rob Pene:

Yeah. So when you encourage people to write books, are you looking for a particular thing that's happening in their life that they can attach to, and then tell that story, or do you? Do you help them? Brainstorm like? Some concepts that they might be able to teach about or like? Is it more experiential or.

Aurora Winter:

Mostly I help them brainstorm, because most people don't really know what the best story angle would be. But they have a lot of stories. Most people have a bunch of things that could be turned into a book. So usually I start with my clients like just brainstorming. hearing their stories, and then say, that's it. That's the one you know to focus on. But then I take, typically, I'm helping experts and entrepreneurs. So we're looking at. How can your how can a book bring you more business? But it's interesting, like, there's 7 different ways in this book. Turn words into wealth. and it. It walks through like monetizing. A book like being a public speaker is the number one. It's the highest paid career, you know. You can get paid 50,000 to 250,000 per talk, 60 to 90 min! Right?

Rob Pene:

Yeah.

Aurora Winter:

But it can also monetize in surprising ways. You mentioned Netflix. So Marie Kondo wrote some books about the joy of tidying up. She's this petite little Japanese woman doesn't even speak English. But Netflix had a special with her going into the homes of hoarders with a translator with her because she doesn't speak English very well and helping them tidy up. So that's another example. You could. Or my. you know, BBC is interested in turning my fantasy series, magic mystery and the multiverse into a TV series. So that's another way to make 7 figures with the book. Yeah. And one more way, well, there's 7 ways. But one more that's really quick to explain is becoming more attractive because you're a thought leader instead of just another. So, for example, I've helped a client. Michael Stockham is his name. Write a series of legal thrillers. They've won multiple awards. They've got over a hundred 1,000 readers, which is a lot, especially for an independently published book. He's a litigation attorney. so he is attracting more clients because he's not just another suit. He's a more interesting litigation attorney.

Rob Pene:

Right.

Aurora Winter:

You hire him because he's he's an author. He's interesting. He appears on podcasts. He's a speaker. He's got something else going on. And they're like, let's hire that guy. He sounds more interesting than just a bland, you know. interchangeable litigation attorney. So I think today, in the age of AI building. Your personal brand is the most valuable thing you can do.

Rob Pene:

Hmm, hmm! And is that what you do on your strategic basic side, or cause you also have a a publishing company.

Aurora Winter:

That's right. Strategic basics is my new Youtube channel. So people can go there and check it out, which is a bunch of free content. So strategic basics. What I do there is, I take breaking news stories, and then I tease apart the business breakthroughs for creators, authors, and entrepreneurs. So, for example, one of the stories recently was Ryan Holiday, who wrote the book. He writes a lot of books about philosophy, he wrote, the obstacle is the way he went to speak at the Naval Academy. He was hired as a speaker. This was, I think, his 4th time that he was going to be speaking at the Naval Academy, and how it works is you have to send your Powerpoint up the chain of command to get it signed off on. Well, he mentioned quite politely in his talk that the Naval Academy was removing over 300 books from their library. so he mentioned that he didn't think that was cool, because that's basically banning books. But the books that they were removing were like Maya Angelou's books, or really famous books, The Handmaid's Tale, by Margaret Atwood like Pulitzer prize winning books. but you know that had some some angle. So he mentioned that in his talk, and an hour before he was to go speak at the Naval Academy. They canceled him. I said, No, thanks. We don't want you to talk unless you remove the mention of Book Banning, and he thought that was not an integrity. So he gave his talk on Youtube, and I listened to it. And then he talked. He wrote an article about it which appeared in the new in the New York Post. And so then I did a Youtube a Youtube episode on strategic basics, about book Banning and Ryan holiday getting canceled. And what does this mean for you and you know, talk talking about the cancel culture, and with some takeaways for experts to consider. And I really acknowledged and honored Ryan Holiday for standing up and being in integrity. So that would be an example of one story. we talk about all kinds of different things. Sometimes when I talk about the breaking, usually they get thousands of views per episode. But I notice anytime I get too political. Youtube chokes the algorithm. So I did an episode about Rfk when the report came out that one child in 31, one in 31 has autism.

Rob Pene:

Wow!

Aurora Winter:

I know, and in the 19 seventies was nowhere near that number. It was, I forget now exactly, but something like one in a hundred 1,000 completely, drastically bigger, and he was interviewed by Dr. Phil, so I dug into that, and I dug into the research which is published on a government website. And then I just basically said, You know, I've got some friends who have children on the autism spectrum. And I agree with rfk, I think it's important to find out why. Why is this happening that just seems like a completely benign thing to say, let's find out why this is happening. So I think it's got like 1 86 views or something, because the Google algorithm doesn't like anything too political.

Rob Pene:

Hmm.

Aurora Winter:

Anyway. So strategic basics is all about turning breaking news into business breakthroughs. And that's quite fun at my publishing company. Same page publishing. That's where I help experts, professionals, and entrepreneurs turn their story into an award winning book that makes a difference for the world and builds their brand and business, and people can find out more about that at same pagepublishing.com.

Rob Pene:

Now, which is the main thing that you're doing. My main business is helping people publish books. Okay.

Aurora Winter:

Oh, I would broaden to say I'm actually helping them get clear on their 1 million dollar message. They might use that message to raise capital. I've helped some startup. Ceos go from raising nothing for them, for their tech startup to raising on average 7 or 8 figures.

Rob Pene:

No, no.

Aurora Winter:

You know they went from nothing to 7 figures or 8 figures by having the right message. So I would say, it's not just about books, but it's about really nailing. What's your 1 million dollar message? So strategic basics is my way of you know, giving good content every week.

Rob Pene:

Nice, nice, and your book that's coming out. How long? How long have you been working on that.

Aurora Winter:

Oh, my gosh! Well, this is the 1st one magic mystery in the multiverse. and one has come out each year. So a second book in the series. The Secret Multiverse Academy came out last year, and the 3rd book, which is called Multiverse Mayhem. is coming out in August. So your kids might actually like it. It's for young adults. and it's a fun. Fast paced story, a little bit of the vibe of, say, Percy Jackson meets Doctor, who, with a little Harry Potter thrown in.

Rob Pene:

Okay.

Aurora Winter:

Yeah, but I'm hoping that it will also spark meaningful conversations because there's a little thread of the energy of George Orwell's 1984 throughout it, because the the bad people are censors. And they basically, I wanted to explore this cancel culture thing that's going on in our world, like, I think it's not okay to take somebody's voice away just because you disagree with them.

Rob Pene:

Yup! Yup!

Aurora Winter:

So I'm hoping that the magic mystery and the multiverse series sparks valuable conversations between parents and kids or between teachers and kids. So that's my that's my hope and prayer. It's a little bit like, I guess the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe. But I guess, Lewis, really that was the 1st book that made me decide that I wanted to be a writer. And if you actually look at the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, as an adult which you've probably done as a teacher. It actually has some profound themes running through it. As a kid. I didn't know I just liked the story, but as an adult I was like that was very clever. Cs. Lewis.

Rob Pene:

That's cool, and and your books include some of those like have hidden themes in it.

Aurora Winter:

I feel like the books have got a lot of spirit and heart.

Rob Pene:

Hmm.

Aurora Winter:

In them a lot of empathy. There's a found family. It's a sibling. You don't so often see stories that involve siblings. So it's a brother and a sister, and they're polar opposites. The girl is super optimistic adventurer. She always jumps in without thinking what could go wrong, and her brother is the opposite. He always thinks what could go wrong. He's a bit of a pessimist. So they have, like a different perspective which makes for fun conflict. Yeah, I think your kids would like it.

Rob Pene:

Yeah, yeah, I'm Amazon. I can get on Amazon.

Aurora Winter:

Actually, you can get the 1st book in this series for free on Amazon right now at mad at the book, is called Magic mystery in the multiverse or if you prefer, you can get the ebook for me for free at Magicmystery and the multiverse.com, and then you get extra bonuses.

Rob Pene:

And then when the the August so you'll have a launch for the August one.

Aurora Winter:

That's right. Yeah.

Rob Pene:

So I don't know when you're planning on airing this, but if you want to air it, August 8th is the launch date for the 3rd book. August 8.th Okay, yeah, I definitely want to get the book. So it yeah, it sounds like, it's something that they would, because they love Percy Jackson. They've gone when they were yeah, so I think they'll they'll enjoy it.

Aurora Winter:

Great. Well, I'd love to hear what they think about it then.

Rob Pene:

Yeah, yeah. So if people wanted to find you online, is there a specific website or your social media, they can find you at.

Aurora Winter:

Well, if they're interested in the fantasy books and all things fantasy, then I'd suggest they go to magic mystery and the multiverse.com. They can get the 1st book for free as an ebook, but they can also scroll down, and they can see the images of all the characters, and then they will. They will have their name put in. Enter the vortex, and there's some magical and fun surprises that happen. If you do that. If people are more interested in building their business and building a book and a brand. Then I recommend they read this book, turn words into wealth. which right now you can get the ebook for free at Turnwords into wealth.com, or go to Amazon. or wherever books are sold, and get it, and then, if you want to take a deeper dive, the main website for publishing is called Same page publishing, because I come on the same page, the same side as my clients to help them. And then my other website is aurorawinter.com so many places to find me. But if you just want a little taste of fun every week. Go to strategics on Youtube, and you will get not only content, but you'll get it visually enhanced because I'm using my background as a film and TV producer. And my son Yale is doing a kick ass job adding all kinds of content. For example, we just posted a video about zombie author who is making, who is making the most money from audiobooks on Youtube about all places. Yeah, Derek slate. And so all these zombies in that one. So that was really fun.

Rob Pene:

I need to check that dude out. Then that's good.

Aurora Winter:

No. His series is called Dead America, and he publishes a zombie book every week. They're short half hour kind of novellas.

Rob Pene:

Hmm.

Aurora Winter:

But it was very interesting, because he's got an AI tech stack, and he uses AI narration and also AI translation, and he's got it all figured out how to monetize his audio books on Youtube of all places. So that's another example of a strategic basics episode.

Rob Pene:

Nice, very good, everybody that's listening. Check out all those links. There's going to be links in the description as well. You can just click. Go and buy the books. All right. Thank you. Aurora.

Aurora Winter:

Much, Rob. It was really great connecting with you.