Kimber Hardick Talks From Going Invisible to Invincible And Rewriting Your Story

In this episode, host Rob Pene sits down with Kimber Hardick to discuss the powerful journey of "unraveling" societal constructs to find one's true identity. After navigating a divorce in her 50s and battling a Lupus diagnosis, Kimber shares how she moved from a life of performance and people-pleasing to one of embodiment and empowerment. 

They discuss the role of plant medicine in her healing, the importance of rewriting old victim narratives, and how she is redefining what it means to age by learning to surf and moving to Panama.

Key Takeaways & Highlights

• The "Unraveling" of Identity: Kimber describes her last year as a "continuing unraveling of remembering who I am and forgetting who I learned to be". She discusses the difference between "mind-knowing" and "body-knowing".
• Breaking the Drama Triangle: Kimber explains the "Drama Triangle" (Victim, Hero/Helper, Villain) and how we often ping between these roles in relationships. She shares how she used ChatGPT to help rewrite her personal stories from a place of empowerment rather than victimhood.
• Healing Lupus & The Role of Emotion: Diagnosed with Lupus three years ago, Kimber was told by a doctor that the emotion behind the disease was guilt. Through emotional work and plant medicine (specifically Iboga and Ayahuasca), she reports no longer having Lupus markers or needing medication.
• Redefining Aging: Now living in a surf community in Panama, Kimber challenges the stigmas of aging. She emphasizes that getting older doesn't mean fading away, evidenced by her learning to surf in her 60s.
• The Mirror of Judgment: A profound realization Kimber shares is that self-judgment is often a reflection of our external judgment of others.

Featured Resources & Links

• Book: An Invitation to Shine: From Invisible to Invincible (Target Release: Jan 1, 2026).
• Book Website: AnInvitationToShine.com (Includes access to a school group for unreleased chapters).
• Personal Website: KimberHardick.com.
• Social Media: Follow Kimber on Instagram and Facebook at @kimberlivinglife.

Transcript

Rob Pene (00:01.12)
All right, everyone, thank you for joining. Rob here, I'm grateful because, my goodness, Kimber Hardick is gonna school us on some things that I'm very passionate about, not just for myself, but for my kids. then honestly, the whole Polynesian people group, because we struggle a lot with not only just identity, but the discrepancy between performance and just being a-

person being okay with who you are versus trying to please someone by your performance. And Kimber is an expert at that. it's very, very grateful. Now to kick us, to get us started, the question that I have for you is if you were to look back in the last six to 12 months of your life and you were to turn that into a Netflix movie, what

What would your movie be about?

Kimber Hardick (01:01.351)
the continuing unraveling of remembering who I am and forgetting who I learned to be.

Rob Pene (01:14.446)
Mmm.

Kimber Hardick (01:15.253)
And it's been about taking this mind-knowing and embodying that knowing, because there's a difference. You can have a mind-knowing but then not know it in your body. And I spent many years doing that, but having this body-knowing and now stepping into living that knowing.

Rob Pene (01:37.262)
Mmm, so it's actualizing, yeah.

Kimber Hardick (01:38.805)
That was what my, yeah. Yeah. And so for many years I've said when, when I used to teach a movement yoga and restorative yoga was my favorite. And I would say we're in here to forget what we've learned and remember what we forgotten to be at ease in our body. And that slogan has carried with me for the last 25 years. And especially just recently,

realizing that I've been forgetting all these stories of who I learned I was supposed to be, how I was supposed to show up, so that I could remember who I was outside of the constructs. So it's been a phrase that has served me well.

Rob Pene (02:24.664)
That's cool, I like the continual unraveling piece. that I would question a little bit of that piece because it's when you're in the moment and you feel down, you feel like you failed for so long, it's just continual battle. That's the identity you know. How do you get out of, cause that's part of the unraveling right now, could unravel and spiral, right? But then you live in that negative space.

It's so hard to get out of it. So how do you remind yourself of who you truly are? And we'll get to that too.

Kimber Hardick (02:59.669)
Yeah. Yeah. and the, the first time or recently, so a little bit about me, I was divorced in my fifties. I have four children and externally, I looked like I was living the perfect life. know, everything was fine. had good kids. I had a wellness center, a studio. I was the boss's wife.

Rob Pene (03:17.923)
Hmm.

Kimber Hardick (03:27.829)
But inside, I was not feeling whole. And I felt like I was not living my life. I was living my life for everybody else. And I had been on antidepressants for 15 years. And I wanted to get off of them. And I just couldn't. The withdrawals were just terrible. And then I'd go back into this deep, dark slump. And I thought, I can't be the only person.

that has struggled with this, getting off antidepressants. You just don't hear about it much though. And I happened to be going to Costa Rica with one of my kids and I found a, I don't even what you call it, retreat center that used Iboga, which is a plant medicine from Africa. Really used a lot with addictions. But this...

Rob Pene (03:56.174)
Mm-hmm.

Kimber Hardick (04:21.333)
particular center focused on getting off of antidepressants. And so I was already going to be there. I called them and they were gone for on break, but everyone happened to be in the country. So they came back and did two ceremonies with me and the medicine really does its work the day after where you have a lot of introspection.

It's an intense, for me to do that as my first psychedelic was pretty intense. It's called like the grandfather of all medicines. But the next day I was able to kind of sit back and just, I'd get these downloads. And one of the ones that really just woke me up was, and I used to say this in my classes, we teach people how to treat us. But it seemed incomplete. And so on my,

Rob Pene (04:58.977)
Yeah.

Kimber Hardick (05:20.577)
download day, you know, that saying came into my head. And it's like my higher, higher self said, we teach people how to treat us by the way we respond, a way we don't respond. And it was in that moment that I realized that I had been teaching everybody how to treat me because I just, the people pleaser in me, the performer in me didn't want to make waves.

And so I had to start with myself and get to know myself truly. And shortly thereafter, I left my marriage, which required me to really do some deep look and introspection and, you know, looking into myself and who I was outside of being a wife and a mother, my kids were grown. And so that's where it started for me was looking at

I didn't know to call them this at the time, but they're constructs. And they're constructs that we, some of them we inherit from our culture, from our race, from belief systems, from the church, from there's so many that, and I think the less safe we feel, at least for me, the less safe I felt in being who I was, the more constructs I have.

The more identities that I adhere to, this is how it's supposed to be as a mother. This is how I'm supposed to be as a sister. This is, and so the more comfortable I got with myself and who I am, I was able to let go of those roles one by one, a little at a time at a little at a time. And they're not bad. They're not wrong. They just, they keep you small. They keep you boxed in into this little container of

Rob Pene (06:47.534)
Hmm.

Rob Pene (06:51.95)
Hmm.

Rob Pene (07:10.679)
and

Kimber Hardick (07:17.387)
Who's society, who your family, who your church, how you were brought up, all those things that keep you in a box. And then as you...

Rob Pene (07:27.982)
Isn't it helpful though? Isn't it helpful to be a knowledge base, per se, that helps to give you structure?

Kimber Hardick (07:36.35)
as long as it doesn't keep you small and keep you from growing. And, and so for me, I was buttoned up against those constructs because it was like, okay, but this is what I was told, but this is really what I'm feeling or what I'm wanting or that's when they become a problem. I mean, our body is a construct. We're not going to get rid of our bodies, right? mean, constructs, this house is a construct. keeps the cold weather out. So.

Rob Pene (07:41.172)
my gosh.

Kimber Hardick (08:06.337)
They're not good or bad, but when they keep you small, when they keep you stubborn, when they keep you from growing, that's when I feel like it's time to start looking at them. So I've slowly been releasing different identities that I took on, that I inherited, and reshaping how that looks.

Rob Pene (08:13.614)
and

Rob Pene (08:30.87)
Okay, so how did you know what became your anchor, your base identity, the main identity?

Kimber Hardick (08:39.521)
She's surfacing. I'm still getting to know her.

She is amazing. She has value. She doesn't have to prove her value to anybody. She has a lot of wisdom to share. Now, I don't always feel these things, but this is at my core. She's confident. She's capable. And she's extremely curious. You mentioned curiosity.

Rob Pene (08:51.426)
Yeah.

Kimber Hardick (09:15.925)
There's an old saying, I'm sure we've all heard it, curiosity killed the cat. But for me, it brought me back. It gave me some action to get curious about those constructs, those ideas, those beliefs. So yeah, so she's still, I'm still getting to know her. She's still evolving. And it's been a lot of fun to get to know her.

Rob Pene (09:20.354)
Hmm. Okay.

Mmmmm

Rob Pene (09:30.466)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kimber Hardick (09:43.49)
to be in her presence at her best and at her, what I call the messy middle. And I, yeah, I've really had a lot of fun. It's been the last two and a half years that really, so I moved to Panama two and a half years ago. Yeah, we sold everything, sold the business and moved to Panama. And now I'm in Tulsa. I just bought a house in Tulsa, which is where I grew up.

Rob Pene (09:48.726)
Yeah.

Rob Pene (09:57.006)
you

Rob Pene (10:00.759)
Whoa!

Kimber Hardick (10:13.617)
Never thought I would ever step foot in Tulsa again. But because of all the work that I've been doing, I've been able to come back and see Tulsa through new eyes. And so now I'm pretty excited. We're going to be here part time, but so it's, it's, it's been fun to like be the observer of myself in an environment of who I used to be as the performer and, and not

Rob Pene (10:24.236)
Yeah.

Rob Pene (10:33.421)
Mmm.

Kimber Hardick (10:44.482)
not backsliding, you know, feeling like I can put that mask back on and show up as anything other than who I am.

Rob Pene (10:46.734)
Good luck.

Rob Pene (10:52.098)
Yeah. Now, what's one exercise that you've done that's helped you become crystal clear on one of the things that you're appreciating about yourself? Like, is there a particular exercise? I know people do, you know, writing letters or, you know...

Kimber Hardick (11:11.433)
Yeah, no, you know, for me,

I've done so many, probably, probably the most profound practice I've done this last couple of years is rewriting stories. We've writing them from a place of empowerment and place of a victim. And it's kind of what led to my book that I'm getting ready to publish. I would write, so here's a story I told myself for years.

Rob Pene (11:28.112)
fuck.

I don't know.

Kimber Hardick (11:46.249)
I stayed in my marriage as long as I did for my children.

Rob Pene (11:50.862)
Okay.

Kimber Hardick (11:52.588)
Well, that put me as the victim, as the hero, as the villain. So I wanted to rewrite it from a place of empowerment and chat GPT helped me. So I put it into chat GPT and I even created, and I can give you these links. I created some chat GPT prompts to help you with some of the things that I'm going to be sharing.

Rob Pene (12:02.029)
Mmm.

Rob Pene (12:06.316)
no, that's great. That's great.

Kimber Hardick (12:19.573)
I said, help me rewrite this story from a place of empowerment, not from a place of the victim. And what in short it was, I left because I didn't know what else to do. So by saying I stayed for my children, I was putting that off on them, that my misery, I stayed because it was their fault. So rewriting, and I have a lot of, I work with women's groups.

Rob Pene (12:26.253)
Mmm.

Rob Pene (12:33.102)
Mmm.

Rob Pene (12:40.055)
We are.

Kimber Hardick (12:47.425)
I have small women's circles and do some one-on-ones and I facilitate with some fungi. One of the important things that I have them start doing is to rewrite stories. And so are you familiar with the drama triangle? Oh, the drama triangle is the

Rob Pene (12:57.063)
Yeah.

Rob Pene (13:09.014)
No, no, no idea. buddy.

Kimber Hardick (13:17.375)
victim, the victim, the hero, or the helper, and the villain. And almost every relationship dynamic you can find yourself in, you're going to be playing one of the three roles, if not pinging around in all of them. And when you start recognizing that in yourself, in other dynamics and relationships, it's kind of like, so is the helper.

The helper jumps in, not when they're asked, but I'm just going to, I'm going to save the day. Here I am to save the day. And the victim sends out this, what we call a virtue signal, you know, trying to, Oh, can you believe he did this to me? She did that.

Rob Pene (13:53.902)
You

Rob Pene (13:59.854)
Mmm.

Kimber Hardick (14:06.273)
trying to get people on their side to reinforce. And then the villain, you know, everything that is done from the state of a villain causes harm. So I can be the villain if I left. So in that divorce situation, if I left, I was being the villain because I was causing harm. I was being the helper because I was staying to protect the dynamic. And then I was the victim because I was so miserable.

Rob Pene (14:25.709)
Mm-hmm.

Rob Pene (14:29.358)
the next week.

Kimber Hardick (14:34.827)
but I was staying for my kids. And so before you even start working on rewriting from a place of empowerment, you gotta recognize when you're in it. And so many relationships and so many situations, even watching TV, it's hard not to notice all these different ways that people fall into the drama triangle. It's just kind of how we are as a human race.

Rob Pene (14:36.748)
Hmm.

Rob Pene (14:46.094)
Mmmmm.

Kimber Hardick (15:04.597)
So then if you can step out of that and rewrite the story as the creator and take responsibility for it, that this is why, this, because we can't change anybody else. We can only change ourselves, right? So for me to take responsibility for why I stayed was really important. So I started doing it with other little stories. Another one was with my ex-husband, I used to always say,

He wouldn't let me go back to school or go to work.

Rob Pene (15:37.314)
Mm.

Kimber Hardick (15:38.719)
Well, I had to look at why did I feel like I needed permission to go to school, to go back to work. Excuse me.

That saying I needed his permission kept me as the victim, him the villain. So for me to step out and go, wait a minute, when did I start, when did I, and why did I feel like I needed permission in order to improve myself? So that's been a really big practice for me is rewriting these stories that I have told myself that have kept me feeling small.

Rob Pene (16:05.72)
Mmm.

Kimber Hardick (16:20.097)
Like it didn't have a purpose, value, importance, whatever. That's probably been the best practice. Cause you can write affirmations all day long, but if you don't really believe them.

then, you know, it's, it's, I don't, I don't feel that they have much effect if you're not believing it, but starting by retelling these stories, you can get a different perspective and look at yourself differently.

Rob Pene (16:48.918)
Yeah, it shapes the narrative because you can dictate what you interpret. Yeah. And when you recount in the past, the difference between feeling and fact and how you identify with yourself, because you listed out, this, you know, she's capable, she's smart. Is it more feeling based that you would then attach to those qualities or is it more factual?

Kimber Hardick (17:17.983)
Hmm. Yes, probably a little bit of both depending on the day. Some days it's more I'm feeling it. And then other times, it's just factual. It's just, it's just an, it's a knowing. Just an inner knowing that I know that. And then there are days where there's doubt. No, there are days still where I doubt.

Rob Pene (17:23.479)
yeah, okay.

Yeah.

Rob Pene (17:34.807)
Yeah

Rob Pene (17:41.26)
Yes, yes, yes, a lot of games.

Kimber Hardick (17:47.744)
I question, you know, am I, am I ready to step in and to, you know, be this public with my story? do people really want to hear my story? And then I get the reviews back from mentors of mine that, you know, give me rave reviews and love the book and the message. so yeah, so I wouldn't say that I'm always writing up here, but my, this is something that I come across, like had a body knowing.

on this. My judgment, my self judgment is a reflection of my external judgment of other people.

Rob Pene (18:18.222)
Mmmmm.

Rob Pene (18:31.088)
Mmm. Mmm.

Kimber Hardick (18:32.961)
So if I'm judging you, or it's a mirror, it is such a mirror. And yeah, I've heard that I've read that, but I experienced it. And of all places on the surfboard, I've just started surfing recently. And I went out to go surfing and I couldn't catch a wave. I sucked. was beating myself up. It was a

Rob Pene (18:36.791)
It's a mirror.

Rob Pene (18:45.506)
Mmm.

Rob Pene (18:52.29)
Nice.

Kimber Hardick (19:02.337)
terrible, terrible, you know, experience on the water. And, but I came home and I realized that there's a lot going on up here. And there's a, I can't wish I could remember the name of this belief system, but it's basically what is so above as below what's in what's out. And so I noticed

some of my judgments, and I'm not talking big judgments even, little judgments, but just how much they correlate to what's happening in here towards myself as well as externally. And now having that awareness, I have so much more consideration for people who are very critical and very judgmental, because I think, God,

Rob Pene (19:52.174)
Mmm.

Kimber Hardick (19:58.058)
If that much, there's been that much hate and shit out. It's okay if I cuss.

Rob Pene (20:04.366)
You're fine. You're fine.

Kimber Hardick (20:07.733)
If they're that judgmental and that harsh and that critical externally, what is going on in here? Yeah. Yeah. And I don't say I have more compassion because to me that is pity. But consideration is, you know, kind of, I've been working on my languaging a lot with a gentleman that I think you'll love and

Rob Pene (20:16.43)
probably 10 times more, more critical of themselves.

Kimber Hardick (20:36.491)
consideration feels so much better than to say compassion because I know that I would never want someone to have pity for me and so I try not to pity others I have consideration for them so

Rob Pene (20:41.423)
and

Rob Pene (20:50.282)
Yeah. Yeah. So what's the main thesis of the book?

Kimber Hardick (20:55.777)
It's called an invitation to shine from invisible to invincible and I was given I was given this invitation two years ago during a four-day medicine intensive and I took it seriously and It really required I look at all the ways that I kept myself from shining

Rob Pene (21:02.734)
Mmm.

Rob Pene (21:24.192)
Mmm.

Kimber Hardick (21:25.323)
And that's where I started rewriting these stories because when I'm a victim, I'm not shining. When I'm a villain, I'm not shining. When I'm helping for the sake of helping for attention, I'm not shining. So I took it really seriously. And I also signed up for a psychedelic integration coaching program.

And what I realized is I have a gift for integrating big experiences in my life. And to me, integration is not optional. It's so important, whether it's a medicine journey, a yoga retreat, a big life change. The integration piece is what brings it all together. So I went through this integration training and

realized I'm not everyone has the same ease and integrating experiences. So I started, there's three sections in the book. The first section is just different life experiences that happened to me that are probably very relatable to a lot of people, birth of a child, raising kids, a friend's giving celebration. The second section,

is my sexual healing after 50 and divorced and single. So it started, there's a one chapter, it starts off with, you know, dating on dating in my fifties. And then I go on to explore intimacy in that next section. So it's a fun chapter. It's not something that everybody could possibly relate to or want to do some of the experiences that I had.

But the way I wrote the book is I tried to bring it back to experiences that you, know, like into the lesson I learned from that experience, bring it into the boardroom or into the family setting, even though it might've been a sexual encounter that got your attention and made you want to read it. And then the third section is several of my,

Rob Pene (23:44.482)
Yes.

Kimber Hardick (23:52.138)
experiences, ceremonies with plant medicine, from my first one to, you know, just some of the big moments that came for me. And you talk about being sick. I was diagnosed with lupus three years ago, and I couldn't get up off of the floor without a lot of effort. And before I moved to Panama, I got a pain stimulator.

Rob Pene (23:55.384)
music

Rob Pene (24:09.901)
no!

Rob Pene (24:14.125)
Yeah.

Kimber Hardick (24:21.629)
I had, was on all sorts of medications. And so we moved to Panama and long story short, this would be a whole nother podcast, but I did stem cells in Columbia. And the doctor there said, do you know what the emotion is behind lupus? And I was like, no. And I do emotional work, right? So.

Rob Pene (24:34.67)
Whoa.

Kimber Hardick (24:50.197)
which just was not one that I had applied to myself. And he said, it's guilt. And so for the next two years with my plant medicine work, I really dove in. I don't have my pain stimulator. I don't take the medications. I don't have the lupus markers. I started surfing. I can do a full squat. My flexibility is through the roof.

And I don't practice yoga anymore. So it's been a lot of, you know, emotional healing, letting go of some of the, the baggage that I was carrying around that was not mine. Retelling stories, learning to feel my emotions instead of stuffing them or feeding them or ignoring them. I call it riding the waves of emotion.

Rob Pene (25:30.264)
Mm.

Rob Pene (25:44.974)
Mm-hmm.

Kimber Hardick (25:45.141)
Surfing has been a beautiful metaphor for the work that I've been doing recently. So, and I can't remember now what was the question you asked me?

Rob Pene (25:56.687)
It was the difference between the fact

Kimber Hardick (25:59.68)
it was about the book though, wasn't it? No, no. Yeah.

Rob Pene (26:02.166)
Yeah, the the main thesis of the book.

Kimber Hardick (26:06.143)
Yeah, yeah. yeah, there's a lot going on. there's 21 chapters and there's a lot going on in the book. But the healing portion is the physical healing with the plant medicines is how I close it out, the three. But yeah, don't think you can have sexual healing, your physical healing without sexual healing and emotional healing. mean, it's all tied together.

Rob Pene (26:33.484)
Yeah, that's good. It sounds like it's a necessary message because it captures the the entirety of a person from the spiritual to the mental to the physical, emotional. Was this like a book in the making for several years or did it just like, you know what, I want to do this now?

Kimber Hardick (26:57.753)
I've been a writer off and on for a long time, but I never set out to write this book. It essentially wrote itself. So at that four day ceremony, I forgot, when I got the invitation to step into my shining, I didn't bring my journal. Everyone had their journal. And I'm over there going, I want to have my journal.

Rob Pene (27:04.11)
Mmm.

Nice.

Kimber Hardick (27:25.265)
So I went home and I started journaling about that four days. Cause I wanted to remember this. And then I wrote and I started, I just, I just started, it's like this book literally wrote itself. And when I go back and I look at some of the details and some of the memories, I'm like, how did I remember that? And so I think, my God, if when I go to talk about this book, it's going to be challenging because.

Rob Pene (27:38.382)
Hmm.

Kimber Hardick (27:54.784)
when I was writing, there was, you know, a direct source of remembering coming through me. And so talking about the book sometimes feels like it's challenging because I'm not in the, you know, in the mode of writing and remembering exactly what I wrote. But yeah, no, I didn't set out to write the book. Never imagined.

Rob Pene (28:09.976)
Thank you.

Kimber Hardick (28:22.177)
and, I had to, I have had to get to a place where I'm okay with people reading this. It's pretty personal. there's, I wouldn't say there's dark secrets, but there's things in there that not everybody's comfortable talking about, reading about, sharing about. and I'm putting that all out there, but I believe it's going to help somebody if not many people.

Rob Pene (28:27.106)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Kimber Hardick (28:50.837)
The response I've gotten from it has been really great. So, yeah.

Rob Pene (28:55.842)
That's good. I hope you're on like a podcast tour, like kind of thing where you get to push because that's it just helps. Yeah, get in front of more people.

Kimber Hardick (29:04.917)
Well, yeah, I've done three. This is my fourth. So, yeah, I like doing them. They're fun. I like getting the clips from them and sharing, you know, just, but it's also practice for me to be seen, show up authentically and not behind, you know, not performing. So what you're seeing right now is this is me.

Rob Pene (29:10.06)
Yeah, yep, nice.

Rob Pene (29:18.061)
Yeah.

Rob Pene (29:27.533)
Hmm.

Rob Pene (29:31.534)
We are.

Rob Pene (29:35.127)
Yeah.

Kimber Hardick (29:35.128)
I'm not performing. I'm just, you know, and messing up along the way. You know, the last podcast I did when I first watched it, I was like, oh, and then I watched it again and I was like, it's okay though. You know, it's, doesn't have to be polished. It's not perfect. You know, you're, showing up real. So.

Rob Pene (29:45.422)
Yeah

Rob Pene (29:49.634)
Yeah. No.

Rob Pene (29:57.005)
Yeah, yeah, and that's true to you. And it's respecting the audience too. Yeah, because you're not holding back and you're honoring them. Yeah, to listen. So good for you. Good, good, good for you. How do you feel about everything?

Kimber Hardick (30:09.697)
Yeah.

Kimber Hardick (30:16.481)
Really good, yeah. I'm excited. I have really...

taken the time to.

Kimber Hardick (30:31.499)
look at all the ways that I'm still maybe holding myself back. And it's not as loud as it was, but to give you some history, I was walking through my porch and my sliding doors and the curtains were closed. And I walked through and I was like, I'm stepping through a threshold here. Wait a minute. This is a very familiar threshold. I've been here before.

Rob Pene (30:34.952)
Mmm.

Rob Pene (30:39.629)
Okay.

Rob Pene (30:53.55)
Yeah.

Kimber Hardick (30:59.775)
with things that I've created and had ideas about what I was gonna do and then I either put it aside out of lack of confidence, lack of time, fear of the commitment, fear of success. I I had all these reasons that I put away some really, really amazing projects that I've been working on. I didn't wanna do that with this. And so,

Rob Pene (31:20.622)
BLEEEEAAAHHHH

Kimber Hardick (31:29.099)
But because there was still just a whisper of, but what about the commitment? What about your time? What about, because I'm retired. So it's not like, my kids are all grown. So, and then I also realized, and I had an opportunity to sit with Ayahuasca for this one, a couple of weeks ago. And it was important for me when I realized to increase my capacity.

Rob Pene (31:38.51)
Thank you.

Rob Pene (31:49.986)
Hmm.

Kimber Hardick (31:58.028)
for being in Shining and in the spotlight. Because once I step through, it's not gonna stop. Once you're out there, you're out there and you can't go, shoot, no, I don't want to. So I've been really focusing a lot on capacity. What do I have the capacity for? How can I expand my capacity? I also realized in that same realm, there's gonna be people that are gonna be haters and

Rob Pene (32:09.133)
Yeah, yeah.

Kimber Hardick (32:27.809)
You know, saying, you know, criticism and whatnot. And so I really had to look at that and be okay that that's about them and not me. They're showing me who they are, not who I am or, or showing me where they are. So, yeah, so just increasing my capacity and, you know, being asked to be on this podcast felt really big for me. because the other three were people that I knew. So I haven't met you.

You heard about me, you asked me and I'm like, yes. Yes.

Rob Pene (33:00.622)
Yes, capacity is expanding. Yeah, good. Well, I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm glad that we got to talk. And the book I know is going to be super, super helpful. I've taken a few things away that I know I can own and kind of lean into. So I'm grateful for that. Now, if people want to, when is it going to release? And then can they find it on Amazon?

Kimber Hardick (33:07.274)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kimber Hardick (33:13.121)
It's here.

Kimber Hardick (33:28.353)
They will be able to find it on Amazon. Um, I've just pushed the date back again because I'm the formatting is taking longer than I expected. And I, I, I'm trying to stay within my capacity and not get into overwhelm. And I want this to be a fun thing, not like an, my God, it has to be out. I have to finish. So right now I'm looking at January 1st.

Rob Pene (33:50.222)
Yeah

Rob Pene (33:55.64)
Okay.

Kimber Hardick (33:56.5)
I'm feeling like 2026 is the year to shine. So January one is what we're looking at. The website is an invitation to shine.com. now it's currently hooked up to my school group, which it's a group where I will be sharing chapters that didn't make the book.

Rob Pene (34:02.125)
Let's go.

Kimber Hardick (34:22.809)
the chat GPT prompt. and I created a whole one to go with the book. So when you're reading the book, you can go in with chat and say, I'm on chapter two and this really spoke to me, but this is what's going. So it kind of really, it's like reading the book with me maybe.

Rob Pene (34:35.694)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, very good.

Kimber Hardick (34:40.329)
And then my other website is kimberhardick.com and I'm on Facebook and I'm on Instagram as kimberlivinglife and you know, all the, all the platforms. But if you go to kimberhardick.com, you can find all of that. And if you want the, any of the chat GPT prompts, I can send those to you. Yeah. And then the book and the, the book, there's also a workbook and I'm

Rob Pene (35:05.912)
That's exciting.

Kimber Hardick (35:09.419)
Just as proud of this workbook as the book, I spent weeks recording guided meditations to go with the book. And the last week of recording was after I had done ayahuasca and I was integrating the experience and I had written those meditations, my past self wrote those meditations for my future self. And it was such a beautiful way to integrate.

Rob Pene (35:35.054)
Yeah

Kimber Hardick (35:38.176)
The medicine man that I worked with actually read to me from my book while I was on AYA. It was so freaking powerful. And I realized that I wrote this book for me. They were words that I needed to hear. And although I am putting it out there, this is my way of really stepping into my shining.

Rob Pene (35:45.087)
Whoa!

Wow.

Rob Pene (35:56.152)
Amen.

Kimber Hardick (36:07.009)
claiming my value and my purpose.

Rob Pene (36:10.06)
Yep, there's at least a hundred thousand other people that are just like you. Yeah.

Kimber Hardick (36:14.593)
I know where I live right now is, it's Playa Venal, Panama, and it's a surf community. And most of the folks, the people that live there a lot younger than I am. I'm, I believe that I am changing in their minds and others what it means to get older.

Rob Pene (36:28.462)
Mmm.

Kimber Hardick (36:40.709)
other possibilities that you can relocate and leave the country in your 60s. You can learn to surf if you want to. know, getting older doesn't mean that we have to fade away and disappear. So there's still a lot of living to do. I've worked really hard to regain my strength after the diagnosis with lupus because I had lost a lot of strength.

I know that I'm not ever going to be where I was 20 years ago. And I'm working with the trainer here in Tulsa. That's more functional movement. And for me, it's not about being buff and a size six. It's about having fluid movement and flexibility and mobility in my body, as I age. So, yeah, so, you know, I, I hope that I'm able to show some people what's possible.

Rob Pene (37:25.422)
Yeah.

Rob Pene (37:37.486)
Yeah, I think that's a strong platform to be on. Reshaping the way you view being old or like becoming or growing older. I think that's a really it's big enough, broad enough that every human being can relate to. I like that.

Kimber Hardick (37:47.073)
Yeah

Kimber Hardick (37:52.309)
Right, right. Well, it's interesting because I, they were saying niche down, niche down, niche down. So I niche down to midlife women. But then I found I was having young women in their 40s reaching out to me. And that was the age that I started my healing journey was at 40. And all I can guess they're seeing their mother.

Rob Pene (38:18.006)
Mmm. Mmm.

Kimber Hardick (38:19.297)
this mother, which path do I want to go down? You know, do I want to be as vibrant as possible or do I want to give into, you know, retirement and sitting on the couch and babysitting the grandkids all the time, which is fine if that's what you want to do. I moved away from my grandkids and I have a great relationship with them. They just came down. I got to go surf with my grandson. He's 12 and my son. So, um,

Rob Pene (38:29.804)
Yeah, right.

Rob Pene (38:44.31)
Let's go home.

Kimber Hardick (38:48.533)
Yeah. So, but I'm finding a lot of the younger women are reaching out to me and, I love that. I, I wish I'd had me when I was in my forties, you know? Yeah.

Rob Pene (38:57.73)
Yes, Yeah. And now somebody else has you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is great. Wow. Well, congratulations on everything. I'm excited for you. be following the launch. I'll be following you on Instagram and Facebook and all that stuff. Yeah. And I'll make sure that everybody gets the links in the show notes.

Kimber Hardick (39:02.687)
Yeah, yeah.

Kimber Hardick (39:07.617)
Thank you.

Kimber Hardick (39:13.803)
Please, no.

Kimber Hardick (39:18.05)
I'll email them to you. You'll have them. Okay. Thank you so much.

Rob Pene (39:20.909)
Yeah, okay. I appreciate it. Thank you. Yeah.