Creative Metamorphosis, transforming your identity in midlife | Soreya James

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Are you moving through a season of inner questioning, discomfort, or quiet shifts in your creative identity — and wondering what your soul is trying to show you?

3 Powerful Reasons to Listen

• Discover how creativity becomes a spiritual practice that reconnects you with your intuition, emotional body, and deeper truth.
• Learn why midlife becomes a powerful catalyst for awakening, shedding old identities, and finding your next chapter.
• Hear Soreya’s embodied wisdom on breath, energy, emotion, and the simple practices that bring you back to yourself.

Key Takeaways

• Creativity is an inner spiritual practice that reconnects women with intuition, truth, and deep emotional wisdom.
• Midlife acts as a sacred awakening — a shedding of identity and a reconnection with purpose, desire, and inner safety.
• Breathwork, movement, mantra and creative expression can unlock clarity, release emotional blocks, and help you return to your soul.
• Creative practices offer women in midlife a path to healing, empowerment, and deeper connection with their authentic self.
• Creativity isn’t external inspiration — it is a natural life force already living inside you, waiting to be accessed and expressed.

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Transcript

Ep 95: Soreya James

Sam Horton: [00:00:00]

So today I have Soreya James with me. Soraya is the voice behind metamorphosis, a journey through trauma, grief, spiritual awakening, and personal transformation. Soreya is a self-proclaimed spiritual rebel, trauma, thriver and truth teller. With over 25 years of deep embodied experience, she doesn't do surface.

She speaks what most won't and guides the kind of transformation you feel in your bones. So welcome Soreya. 

Soreya James: Thank you. Wow. I forgot that those words exist. Pretty powerful. 

Sam Horton: I might have wrote that. 

So good. So today I wanna dive into creativity as part of a spiritual practice. You know, for women, particularly in midlife, you know, not that we call ourselves midlife women, but you know, around that sort of bracket.

So let's just start with your story. Tell us about your own spiritual and creative journey and how it's led you here today. 

Soreya James: It's a [00:01:00] really long story, so let me see if I can, can condense, highlight, yeah, condense it into a few minutes. Um. I've always been a creative being and I know now that it's, it is literally in our bones.

It's in our genetic coding, or it's, and it's part of our destiny. You know, we have this infinite intelligence inside of us, and unless it's suppressed in some way, or obstructed in some way, it comes out in this beautiful, creative form, whatever that may be. For me personally, it was through the sound. The sound of music.

Yes, it was, because that came through our, our family lineage as well. Okay, so it was through, it was through singing, it was through dancing, it was through movement. It was any kind of sort of outward expression. Mm-hmm. You know where others that might be through painting or. Um, gardening or writing or what have you.

And then through my lifetime, as I've, you know, done deeper work, the creativity has come through in [00:02:00] other ways such as writing, um, I'm writing a TV series at the moment. Mm-hmm. 

Sam Horton: And that's a 

Soreya James: whole other level of creativity. And then, um, and it just kind of leaks into every area of, of life, you know, through parenting, through, through relating through.

Being with nature. Mm-hmm. So 

Sam Horton: it's, 

Soreya James: it's just, it's constantly removing the, the obstructions and the conditioning and all the things that we're layered with 

Sam Horton: mm-hmm. 

Soreya James: To allow for that natural creativity to shine. Mm-hmm. So, yeah, that's pretty much been my journey. It's, it's like this beautiful blossoming flower.

Sam Horton: Yeah. Beautiful. Love that. Love it so much. 

Soreya James: Yeah. 

Sam Horton: Yeah. 

How do you believe that creativity then helps us to tap into this deep wisdom within and this intuition, you know, and even our subconscious to a point, our lived experiences from the past. Tell us about, you know, your experiencing as accessing that [00:03:00] wise inner world through creativity.

Soreya James: So I have several practices, um, that I use. I, I was just saying to you, Sam, before we started the questions, um, that I just come out of a, a two hour, uh, yoga and, and meditation practice. So I, I work with Kundalini yoga, which is the highest form of yoga. Yoga, it's called a Raja yoga. So it's the most ancient form 

Sam Horton: of yoga 

Soreya James: mm-hmm.

That has all the other yogas within it. So often when people think of yoga, they think of a posture or in asana or standing on your head. Yeah. That's not what I practice. I move energy in the body. Okay. So there's a lot of breath work, there's a lot of movement. Um, more fluid movement. And then, um, building that energy up through the spinal channel, which is our creative channel 

Sam Horton: mm-hmm.

Soreya James: Into the pituitary pineal gland connection, which opens us into that vacuum where creativity comes in. 

Sam Horton: Mm-hmm. 

Soreya James: So it's connecting. My own consciousness and the elemental [00:04:00] being that I am with the consciousness and the elements of nature. 

Sam Horton: Mm-hmm. 

Soreya James: And working with those forces. When you're expanding in what we call the magnetic field, you're expanding your own magnetic field into the magnetic field of nature, which is creation.

Sam Horton: Yeah. 

Soreya James: And tapping into that consciousness. 

Sam Horton: Mm-hmm. 

Soreya James: So it's tapping into the all the different elements. It's like if I wanna work with fire element, what might that look like? It might look like ecstatic dance. Mm-hmm. If I wanna work with the water element, it might look like painting or writing. Yeah. If I wanna work with the earth element, it might be working with the earth gardening landscape.

Mm-hmm. 

Sam Horton: Mm-hmm. 

Soreya James: So yeah, it's just bridging those two worlds, really, the inner world and the outer world. 

Sam Horton: Yeah. So cool. So cool. Yeah. And do you consciously use, um, you know, practices to sort of figure out problems or to process emotions and things like that? Tell us about a, a bit about that. 

Soreya James: Very, very much so.

Mm-hmm. So at the beginning of each practice, and I [00:05:00] practice daily mm-hmm. Very, very rare that I will miss a day. Um, even if I do 15 minutes mm-hmm. It's like taking a vitamin. I will tune in. Um, so I tune into the inner teacher through, through a prayer or an invocation. Then I sit with an intention. I sit with my emotional body.

So, you know, this morning it was help me find clarity around the next natural steps. 

Sam Horton: Sure. In 

Soreya James: my life, which is a big question. Yeah. You're just 

Sam Horton: looking for the baby step though, right? Just what can I do today? 

Soreya James: You know, like many of us in, in our. Maturing years. We are, we are finding a new direction. We're looking for a deeper purpose in life.

Yeah. And going through many transitions. Yeah. And I'm in that place. And during the end, you know, when I'm lying in relaxation, these, these, these words come through that is not from the mind. 

Sam Horton: Mm-hmm. 

Soreya James: It's the wisdom of. Of nature itself, you know? Mm-hmm. And it always brings, or often brings tears, like little tend to tears [00:06:00] to know that there's a truth with that.

Sam Horton: Yeah. Nice. 

Soreya James: And that, so that's accessing the emotional body. 

Sam Horton: Yeah. 

Soreya James: And then I just feel like. Oh my God, this is so amazing. I'm always surprised by it. I'm, I'm quite humbled by it. 

Sam Horton: Mm. Isn't that, isn't that interesting? I feel like for me, you know, when I, when I get those words or those, you know, uh, messages, you know, those soul messages.

Um, I feel like for me it's kind of just this really like powerful kind of knowing, you know, like, like, right, let's take action, you know? Yeah. Whereas, you know, like, I really appreciate, you know, how it can show up so differently for different people and this emotional response, you know, because it is wonderful, isn't it?

Because you didn't know. Where that journey, that inner journey, was gonna take you when you started. So it's so powerful 

Soreya James: and throughout the journey this morning there was, there was anger and, 

Sam Horton: okay. Okay. 

Soreya James: And my being that, you know, I've just gone through a situation in my life where I hadn't given myself the [00:07:00] time to express Okay.

Wasn't I was, I was suppressed. Yeah. And so this morning it was like, here's my intention. Bring me clarity around this situation. Mm-hmm. The process and the practices unlocked this anger rage, and I always give my myself permission to feel it. 

Sam Horton: Yeah. 

Soreya James: Likewise. When I'm working with a client, it's like, let it loose.

Yeah. But not attach a story. 

Sam Horton: No. 

Soreya James: Or a drama or something to it. It's just like, just let the raw emotion release and then. Once that's gone, there's nothing but bliss. 

Sam Horton: Yeah. So good. Yeah. 

Soreya James: Yeah. 

Sam Horton: And I think people misunderstand that a little bit as well. 'cause quite often it's just shining a light on it and just letting it breathe.

And that's it. It's not about getting the answers straight away or necessarily, or, you know, any great kind of, um, like visceral response. You know, it can just be shining a light on that. Right. Do you agree with that? 

Soreya James: I absolutely agree with that. Mm-hmm. That's, and and this is what they call shadow work.

Sam Horton: Yeah. 

Soreya James: Or And a child work or, [00:08:00] yeah. You know many names we call it. Yeah. So good people are afraid of that. Afraid of that. Yeah, 

Sam Horton: definitely. I love it. 

Soreya James: Like, yay, that's not in my body anymore. 

Sam Horton: Yeah, that's it. That's it. And you know, on, on that note, you know, um, you know, what are your beliefs around how a a creative practice or a spiritual practice, you know, really does help us connect with something much bigger than ourselves and this kind of universal energy source?

You know? Tell us a bit about how you might use creative practices specifically to really make that connection. 

Soreya James: Yeah, I was actually just saying to a friend yesterday, or she said to me, she said, um, there are so many people that have lost faith or don't have faith. And she said, I dunno how they get through life.

Sam Horton: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

Soreya James: And you know, I agreed. And her faith is different to my faith and her way is different to my way. Yes. But it still takes us to the same, in the same direction. And that's connection with spirit, God, universe, whatever you call it. So the practices, it doesn't matter what it is. 

Sam Horton: [00:09:00] Yeah. 

Soreya James: It's just having a practice that that gives you the vertical connection as opposed to the horizontal, um, you know, going and reaching out for a substance or something that's gonna fill the void.

That when you sit in meditation or you dance, or you sing, or you paint, or you use your creativity. Creates that life force energy through the body. Mm-hmm. Like what, what I call Kundalini energy. What other people would call life force, what we call prana or chi. Mm-hmm. Um. So it just needs to be something.

Sam Horton: Yeah. Okay. And I would be as simplistic as to call that creative flow, you know, like creative flow. People talk about creative flow, like, but actually it's, it's so much more than, you know, creative flow. It's, it is that spiritual channeling. It's something Yeah. Moving through you. Yeah. Yeah. 

Soreya James: And the word spirituality, I think has been not, I think I know, yeah.

Has been bandied about so much in the last. You know, few [00:10:00] decades. Yeah. And it's become, it's be, it became a bit of a catchphrase for a while and then it became almost like, uh, a spiritual bi people were spiritual bypassing. Yeah. And, and throwing it out as if, um, it, it means something that it's not. 

Sam Horton: Yeah. I mean, it can, I think it's quite polarizing that word, um, in some capacities.

You know, I've sort of, um, only really embraced that in the last year. I, I would say, um, I was using the word soul really before, and I do use soul a lot in my, in my language. 

Mm-hmm. 

Um. But yeah, I agree. It's kind of like, you know, some enigma, you know, like some, some kind of untouchable that's not really that accessible or easy to access from the everyday person.

Um, and it's breaking down that myth I think, a bit. Um, would you agree with that? 

Soreya James: Yeah. And I believe it comes from, you know, the. I don't know sort of what, what the timeline is, but we had, we used to have spiritual masters and spiritual [00:11:00]

Sam Horton: teachers. Yes. Gurus. Yeah. 

Soreya James: Gurus. And you know, my generation, my spiritual name is, but I've never gone by it.

Mm-hmm. 

Sam Horton: Because 

Soreya James: my generation is not, I'm your guru. 

Sam Horton: Yeah. 

Soreya James: My generation is you. You are your own teacher. Yes. I'm just helping to support that process. And then the next generation, like my son at 21, they're like, we don't need any teachers. Leave us alone. We're all good. 

Sam Horton: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Soreya James: Like, whoa, okay.

Sam Horton: It's an inside job though. I mean, that's the thing. If you can find that way to connect, um, it's an inside job, you know? Yeah. And that's one of the big realizations, I think is. Um, for, for our generation, you know, as we move into midlife and beyond Mm. You know, it's that actually we hold so many, we hold all the answers Yeah.

Inside us, where, whereas we were taught and conditioned to really look for external validation and, you know, this external, um. Metrics of success and you know, so it's, it's a really powerful thing when you finally kind of get it and it clicks. Do you agree with that? 

Soreya James: Yeah, I [00:12:00] do. I do. And going back to the whole, you know, the, the spiritual teacher and I, uh, this is just something that's landed now.

I dunno if I've ever heard it anywhere or obviously I have it, that the, the spine is the channel or the, the pathway or tunnel from the womb to the tomb. 

Sam Horton: Ah, okay. 

Soreya James: The teacher sits inside the womb and it takes you to your tomb, so from 

Sam Horton: birth 

Soreya James: to death. So it's all condensed in in this channel. The sh we call it.

It's pretty 

Sam Horton: cool. 

Soreya James: That's where your creative, creative energy comes from. So the more flexible the spine, the more creativity you're gonna have in life. The more sort of flexibility you'll have in, in your creative energy too. 

Sam Horton: Mm-hmm. So powerful. 

Yeah. 

So when we are hitting that midlife bracket, you know, I'm talking sometime after 40, I guess.

Um, you know, it's a big catalyst for questioning the life [00:13:00] path, you know, and, um, maybe feeling some discomfort, um, and facing big changes. So, you know, why does midlife, um, crack so many people open and how can we, you know, use it to facilitate this sacred awakening? Um, and this period of self discovery.

Soreya James: Yeah, so I obviously, I can only speak of my experience and, and that is very vast and, and helping thousands of women across. Mm-hmm. You know, a couple of decades. Metamorphosis, for example, is the, the point of the, the cracking is coming out of the cocoon and the, the years predominantly, uh, women are spent.

In their twenties and thirties in their careers, in their motherhood roles, um, paying bills, having mortgages. You know, that's the generic, right? So when we come out the other side of that, there's actually a physiological, biological, uh. [00:14:00] Transition that our bodies go through perimenopause, menopause, that brings us out of that cocoon of accumulation because that's an accumulation phase, that phase of life.

Sam Horton: Mm-hmm. 

Soreya James: And so as we come out of that, we start questioning, we are going through these, these changes in our body, which are actually the changes in our brain chemistry. 

Sam Horton: Mm-hmm. 

Soreya James: Which are having, giving us a different lens on life. 

Sam Horton: Mm. 

Soreya James: And so we are having to, we are having to question. Well, who am I now? 

Sam Horton: Yeah.

Soreya James: That my children have left home. Who am I now that I'm not needed in my career in the same way as I was, or my husband and I, or partner and I are going through a different phase in our relationship. I what? What do I need? What do I want? And often that question is just. I know for me it was like, I dunno.

Sam Horton: Yeah. 

Soreya James: I really have to reevaluate. That voice 

Sam Horton: has been quiet, like got quieter over time. 

Soreya James: Everyone [00:15:00] else for two full decades. 

Sam Horton: Yeah. 

Soreya James: Nearly two and a half. I'm a bit exhausted. Mm. And I need to give to myself, and I'm not quite sure what that looks like. Yeah. And the grief that comes with that is very palpable.

Sam Horton: Mm. 

Soreya James: There's a lot of grief that I've experienced in the last eight years or so that has been grief that I've not known. 

Sam Horton: Okay. 

Soreya James: Deep, deep letting go of so much. Yeah. 

Sam Horton: Is that just shedding the layers, do you think of, of like who you were? Um, 

Soreya James: identity. 

Sam Horton: Yeah. 

Soreya James: Yeah. And coming and, and so the cocoon face is like, you are, you're coming in inwards, inwards, inwards, inwards, inwards, and really looking at yourself and all the identities and the pieces, and then when it starts cracking, it's like, oh, okay.

I think I could maybe give that up or give that away, or that friendship doesn't support, or maybe my relationship is over. So many relationships dissolve. 

Sam Horton: Yeah. 

Soreya James: This [00:16:00] time. Um, or you know, there's just so many pieces to it. Um, and the cracking continues if you continue looking inwards. 

Sam Horton: Yeah. 

Soreya James: But also, a lot of times people will start.

Looking outside of themselves or the answers 

Sam Horton: Yes. Or 

Soreya James: they'll go into substance abuse or, or 

Sam Horton: Yeah. 

Soreya James: Depression comes about, or addiction comes about and 'cause they don't have the coping mechanisms 

Sam Horton: mm-hmm. Going through. 

Soreya James: Go through that phase. 

Sam Horton: Mm-hmm. 

Soreya James: Very challenging and uncomfortable phase, but the only way through's through.

Sam Horton: Yeah. And slightly terrifying, you know, mean and slightly terrifying. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's a big thing, right? So even if you know that you are not living your truth, you know, even if you know that you are not living in integrity and that things are, things kind of need to go, but there's too scary to face.

Yeah. 

You know? Um. Like, it can feel so [00:17:00] overwhelming to start, you know, where do you think people should really start on that journey? You know, when it does feel so overwhelming? 

Soreya James: Mm. It's the, the starting point is not so much a Where should I start? But it happens automatically. 

Sam Horton: Yeah. 

Soreya James: Like, life is going to give us what we need.

Sam Horton: Yes. 

Soreya James: Not what we want necessarily all the time. Yes. And so it's okay, this challenge is coming. Uh, coming into my life for a reason. Yes. And I'm aware of, I'm aware of it triggering me or causing some suffering and what's, what's the next natural step that I can take? So the mantra for me in my life is what is the next natural step?

Because the mind is gonna propel us into the future. 

Sam Horton: Yeah. 

Soreya James: It's going to take us back into the past and it's gonna bring those two things together and make a meaning or a story. 

Sam Horton: Mm-hmm. 

Soreya James: So if I was to give like any wisdom mm-hmm. On that question, it would be the first thing that you are, that you'll notice is that [00:18:00] you'll be aware of a challenging behavior or something that is creating suffering in your life or in your mind.

Mm-hmm. Whether it be subtle or whether it be grandiose. The moment that awareness comes is working with the breath. Getting connected back into the body and then asking that question, what's the next natural Yeah. Thing, baby step, step that I can take? 

Sam Horton: Mm-hmm. '

Soreya James: cause the mind really is gonna spiral if there's something that's presenting itself that is a major, major challenge.

And we're all really presented with a lot. 

Sam Horton: Yeah. And you know, I feel like there's this sense as well though where, because the inner world has not been the focus, you know, and we've lost connection to that sort of inner space. 

Yeah. 

Um. You know, we don't have this kind of inner safety or this inner trust or whatever within ourselves, and it's finding, I think, meaningful ways to actually build that inner safety and trust, you know, and it doesn't have to be that you are solving the immediate problem, which might be your [00:19:00] relationship or your career.

It could actually just be like, for me, what I. I sort of guide people with is creative expression practices, you know, and creating this little safe container for people so that they can build that inner safety and trust because they're expressing their truth on the page or wherever. Um, you know, do you believe in that sort of sense of like, you don't have to like take giant leaps in terms of, you know, claiming your truth, you know?

Tell us a bit about that for you. 

Soreya James: Yeah. Absolutely. And I guess that's similar to what I'm sharing about, you know, that what that next natural step is. Yeah. Um, you know, I was talking to a, a client yesterday and, you know, she shared her story with me and it's just like, oh, you know, you have a conversation with someone and you go, how is it that life has given her 

Sam Horton: Mm, 

Soreya James: pain and all of this suffering and all of this to grieve with, and.

She's an overwhelm and in a stress response and a trauma [00:20:00] response, and the question becomes, what can we do just in this moment? Yeah. To bring your, your nervous system back into that parasympathetic state and just be with this moment here, 

Sam Horton: this trigger 

Soreya James: point. And so, you know, for. For, for me, I work with the breath.

Yep. I work with Mantra, which interrupts the state. Um, the, of the, with what's happening in the brain chemistry. Um, for you, it sounds like you're working with art therapy and, and what, you know, and art therapy is so fast

 and it's the hardest thing to do is to live in this moment. 

Sam Horton: Yes. Yes. And not feel like we have to solve it all straight away. 

Soreya James: So it's like, there's the picture out there. How am I gonna cope with this? What's life gonna look like if I don't, do you know what decision, what path do I take?

But what I've found over the years, when I've been faced with, you know, these, these big. Um, [00:21:00] decisions or challenges is no matter what path I chose, life always took care of it. 

Sam Horton: Yes. 

Soreya James: There's no right or wrong. There's no good or bad path. Life is an experience. 

Sam Horton: Yeah. 

Soreya James: And when we can listen to our body, does this pathway create more contraction or expansion in my body?

Does this pathway create more lightness or heaviness in my body? 

Sam Horton: Yeah. 

Soreya James: A deeper, longer breath or a more contracted breath, and then following that 'cause that's following life force. 

Sam Horton: Mm-hmm. 

Soreya James: But even if you chose the other one, it's, 

Sam Horton: yeah, 

Soreya James: life is, it's not good, bad, right, wrong. But 

Sam Horton: it's the staying still or the staying stagnant and the, and the staying in pain, that's the problem.

Right. So actually it's actually just moving and finding a way to move. Would you agree with that? Absolutely. 

Soreya James: Absolutely. And whatever that is. Yeah. Whatever that is. And it might just be a matter of going for a walk. 

Sam Horton: [00:22:00] Yes. Spending time in nature is a big one, right? Yeah. I mean, that's the thing. It's just so, um, grounding, um, it just brings you back to yourself so quickly.

So, yeah. So powerful. 

 so what do you wish more people knew about the power of creativity, um, as a spiritual practice? 

Soreya James: Just that they have direct access to it so easily. 

Sam Horton: Yeah. And it's for everyone. 

Soreya James: Everyone. And it's actually really simple. I wish people knew more about the creativity of their own life force, like their own prana.

That it doesn't necessarily have to come from outside. Like the breath itself, for example, is such an incredible creative expression and there's so many different ways you can use it. You know, there's, there's, there's thousands of different types of breath practices, or maybe not thousands, but hundreds and, and you can do them to music and.

Um, while you're walking and while you're driving a [00:23:00] car, and yeah. While you're, you know, while you're doing the dishes at the kitchen bench, just to access that creative life force in us. And, and I wish people, and I do believe that, that, that our work is becoming so much more available. 

Sam Horton: Mm. And 

Soreya James: understood.

Sam Horton: Mm. 

Soreya James: And received now more than that, you know, like art therapy is a thing. Yeah. And it's now covered through a CC here in New Zealand you can go to an art therapist, which is so wonderful. 

Sam Horton: Mm-hmm. 

Soreya James: Whereas, you know, even up to 10 years ago, it was psychology, psychotherapy, counseling. 

Sam Horton: Very limited. Yeah. 

Soreya James: And so I just, I'd love for people to really know that the Creative life force is within them.

Sam Horton: Yes. And it's like this thing where, um, it used to be all be be about like finding your muse as an artist. Which is an external thing, but actually there's a lot you can do if you just tap into, in what's going on for you in your life, you know? [00:24:00] And how can that feed inspiration in your creativity? Would you agree with that?

Soreya James: Yeah, I do. I do. And, and just brought me to a point of our creativity is so stifled and our mm-hmm. And our youth, you know, it's, and, and our, and our generation. Yes. Not, not, maybe not so much now, but it was, you just had this one channel of creativity. You're a dancer. 

Sam Horton: Yeah. 

Soreya James: And you do that. Your parents would take you to dance classes every week and Yeah.

Or, or softball or whatever it was, you know, as opposed to. Let it all shine. 

Sam Horton: Yeah. And then you're told to sort of turn it off as you sort of enter adulthood. Right? So it's kind of like, yes. It's explore creativity a little bit in childhood. Yeah. And then let's turn off the tap, because now you've gotta go and grow up and Exactly.

Soreya James: Go, 

Sam Horton: go and do the hard stuff. Yeah. Right. 

Soreya James: Yeah. And so it's like refining, re re finding that again. 

Sam Horton: Yes. That's it. That's it. 

Soreya James: Yeah. Yeah, 

Sam Horton: yeah. That's it. [00:25:00] So for all the women who are curious about developing their own spiritual creative practice, what powerful message or question would you like to leave them with today?

Wow. 

Soreya James: Hmm. I would say close your eyes. Go inside and ask the inner child, or ask your heart, your soul. Like how does it wanna express through you? 

Sam Horton: Hmm. 

Soreya James: Then trust that and know that it's not silly or crazy. It's like if it wants to put a big sheet of paper out and, and put paint on your feet and stomp through it, I let yourself do that and just find the joy in it.

Yeah. You know, be joyful. 

Sam Horton: Yeah. 

Soreya James: My parents are in their seventies. I'm just looking around 'cause I'm in their home at the moment and looking at all the art. They're painters and their paintings are like, children have done them. 

Sam Horton: Okay. 

Soreya James: Uh, they don't have any messages, but it's like they're very childlike.

Sam Horton: They're beautiful. Okay. Okay. Yeah, that's, [00:26:00] it's really powerful, isn't it? Yeah. It doesn't have to be this big grand thing, does it? 

Soreya James: No. 

Sam Horton: But so much pressure on ourselves to make everything perfect and beautiful. 

Soreya James: Yeah. It, it, you know, you create through, you can create through your cooking. 

Sam Horton: Yeah. 

Soreya James: Making breakfast for your family, it's like, let's get a little bit creative on it.

Yeah. Let's, let's make a smiley face with the eggs and the bacon. 

Sam Horton: Yeah. 

Soreya James: For our, for our, our old children, you know, our, our, um, mature children and let them have a laugh. 

Sam Horton: Yeah. 

Soreya James: Just little things like that. 

Sam Horton: Yeah. And it's following your curiosity and your joy. Right. Um, and, and one of those curious seeds that you plant that you follow, it just automatically leads to another one.

 So how can people get to know you better Soraya, and get a real feel for the work that you are doing? 

Soreya James: Um, I am. On Facebook, I'm not much of an instagramer. Um, that's not so much my generation. Yeah. Um, and I really love to have [00:27:00] conversations.

So, you know, people will often watch podcasts, won't they? Or, and, and be intrigued by your work and then they'll follow you. But I actually really love to have conversations. So if somebody is sparked by what we've shared today 

Sam Horton: mm-hmm. 

Soreya James: Reach out to either one of us. You know, and, and have a conversation.

Like, I just love chatting. 

Sam Horton: Yeah. 

Soreya James: And if that naturally leads to something 

Sam Horton: Yeah. 

Soreya James: Um, working together, so be it. But I'm, I'm not one of these, um, people that kind of put myself out there a lot. You know, people will find us if they're meant to. 

Sam Horton: Yeah. 

Soreya James: Okay. As long as we're, uh, as long as we're a little bit visible, like in this way.

Yes. This, this is my medium. Um. And I, I, you know, I have a, a website, but it's in the form of an app, but it's, it's all on the Facebook page. I'm just, Soreya James, if anyone's curious. 

Sam Horton: Excellent. Yeah. Thank you so much for coming and chatting with me today. I loved our conversation Soreya. So 

Soreya James: good. Me too. Me too.

It was really cool.