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A winning heart
Healing Trauma and Finding Your True Purpose with Carrie Logan
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On A winning situation today (Monday, May 26, 2025), Best-Selling Author, Win C welcomes Kerie Logan. Kerie has helped people all over the globe live better lives and lives they love. She has been a human consciousness guide and empowerment strategist for over twenty years. In 2004, she was awarded the best coach of the year at the PCH Yearly Convention. To learn more about Kerie visit https://www.mastertheupperrooms.com/free-stuff/.
welcome to a winning situation, you guys. Today with me I have Carrie, and I'm going to let Miss Carrie take it away and tell us her story and I'm going to ask her questions and then we'll see how this interview naturally goes. And so welcome, carrie.
Speaker 2:Thank you, Wyn, for having me here today. I truly appreciate you. Thank you.
Speaker 1:And Keri. What is your story? How did you start doing what you're doing?
Speaker 2:Well, I do a variety of things. I am a clinical certified hypnotherapist, been doing that for a little over 20 years and have been voted the best in my area for the past 14 consecutive years, so I must be good at something. And I am a empowerment strategist and also a human consciousness guide strategist and also a human consciousness guide, and I have a background in mental health, trauma-informed, trained in NLP. Just like you, I'm a podcaster as well and also do blog posts. But, yes, all my focus is about helping people live a better life. What's got you stuck? Why are you self-sabotaging yourself? You know how? How can I help you be the best version of you? So that's really my whole focus for the last 20 years plus. So that's that's me, and what?
Speaker 1:what got you into this field in the first place?
Speaker 2:It's really interesting because, like most people, I did what I was told. You know, okay, if I want to put a roof over my head and support myself, I need to get a job. And so I did a lot of stuff around the area of HR and management, sales and marketing, yada, yada. But then I kind of got tired of it and when 9-11 happened and the economy tanked, I had to make some hard, hard choices because I couldn't find a job and I actually did a YouTube video about why I became a hypnotherapist. But I will tell you this that that was exactly what I was meant to do and it is my calling, my purpose, and the job was literally handed to me. I mean, it was so incredibly amazing and I'm just very blessed about that. So if anyone wants to learn more about it, you can go to YouTube Empowered Within, and there's a thing in there about you know all about me. You can go to YouTube Empowered Within and there's a thing in there about you know all about me, you know break it down.
Speaker 1:Awesome. I feel the same way. My job was literally handed to me during COVID. I mean, during COVID, I had a job. I had a job in the workforce. As you guys know, I have a disability, so when that job got laid off, my other job was really handed to me. I still had a job, unbeknownst to me, which is a full-time content creator. I just ramped it up even more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, it's great when the universe presents something totally different that wasn't even on your radar and it's like, oh, this is what I'm supposed to be doing.
Speaker 1:Yep, Yep, Yep. Exactly. So who has been your favorite case you have worked with? Who has been the case you're thinking, oh my God, why did I get into this?
Speaker 2:Why did I get into this? I'd say my favorite case was when a Catholic nun came to me with PTSD and I literally it was interesting because I had PTSD at the time. She had PTSD and I was ready to quit what I was doing because I got taken to the cleaners and run through the you know just crazy making of dealing with um someone that was narcissistic and just tried to ruin everything in my my life and I was just like questioning humanity I mean just seriously deep questions.
Speaker 2:And so universe brought me this Catholic nun and we formed a great um relationship and she actually convinced me not to quit what I was doing, which was, you know.
Speaker 2:I'm very thankful for that and um, we became really good friends and she even called me her spiritual advisor, which you know if she said, if the Catholic Church knew I said that they'd kick me out of the monastery, which is very unfortunate, very, very unfortunate.
Speaker 2:The worst one I've had is someone that's so stuck in victimhood and they're so invested in their story that, no matter how much you, you try to calm their anxiety and and help them change, some people just aren't ready for it and it's heartbreaking. It really is heartbreaking. And and that's the hard part is that one person I had to set boundaries with them and um, and I ended up having to just drop them as a client, cause I'm like, look, you know I'm I'm really trying to help you here, but you yelling at me and getting angry at me is not making me want to say, oh, let's keep you as a client, you know, because we can refuse service. There's. You know. There's a reason why restaurants and companies have those signs, you know if you can't show common decency to one another, then no, it doesn't work.
Speaker 1:No, exactly, and personally you know who you are, but it took a person in my life eight years to tell me about Codependence Anonymous. Oh yeah, codependents Anonymous. Oh yeah, codependents Anonymous saves my butt, because I used to be a control freak and I sat in the victimhood for such a long time that it's like really Really, for such a long time that it's like Really Really. So the reason why I'm saying this Code Dependence Anonymous thing Is, if you guys Feel stuck and if you guys Feel like you need to get out Vixen, go try Code Dependence Anonymous Before you go see a nurse therapist, and also go try and see a counselor before you go into the rules, because humans can only help other humans so much.
Speaker 2:That's true, but I do have some piece of advice in in that area. When because I actually, when I was in my 20s, I did go to one of those group things and they are great. It was very helpful. The only thing that I would stress to everyone is you want to go on the minds, go into it with the mindset. I'm heal here to heal and understand the patterns within myself and what caused me to become codependent.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you really have to. And why I say that is I've experienced child abuse before and as an adult in my 20s, and it's sexual child abuse. Just blurt that out. And I was attending a group thing you know to to heal, thinking that, okay, maybe if I'm in this group I can learn different ways to heal, and all I heard was people complaining, complaining and complaining and staying stuck in their victim and mentality. And I had to. I eventually stopped going because I'm like no, I'm here to find out how, how I can heal, how this. And here's one thing that I learned that I thought was the best advice possible.
Speaker 2:So I was at a heart math seminar with my mom and I was telling the guy that I was struggling with trying to heal from the childhood wounds of sexual abuse. And he said well, I want you to sit down and write on a piece of paper all the positive things that having that experience has made you. Has it made you a better person or not? Or where are you stuck? Now? You know like, are you stuck in this? This is that. Write it down, the pros and the cons. And at the end he looked at the list with me and he said do you realize you already healed, you've become such a better person from that experience. You don't have to wear that label thinking that, oh, I'm always going to be a sexual abuse survivor. He said let that label go and live. And that's the thing that kept me stuck. When is everyone else's beliefs or concepts or ideas about it? And I was holding on to it, thinking that, well, maybe I'm not healed yet, maybe I'm not healed yet, but I was Isn't that?
Speaker 2:interesting that through your own self-healing you turned out to be healed. Yes, well, I read a lot of books like by John Bradshaw, like Heal, the Shame that Binds you. I was reading books about codependency. I was going to um, to therapy, and and, and really wanting to understand. You know, what are the patterns in me, what are the behaviors? What created this or made me become like this and that's what I've discovered in my practice is I always want to dive into the why.
Speaker 2:Why are we acting this way? Why are we saying these things or behaving this way? And what is holding us back? Because it's always something internally or externally. Because it's always something internally or externally. So the external would be like your family members, their thoughts about you, your friends, your church, your religion, your culture, your society, environment, how they molded you, and are they limiting you from the full potential of who you could be. Or is it the thoughts we think about ourselves? Is it our negative critic? Is it our our wounded ego? Is it our our self-sabotaging that we, you know, do our procrastination Like? What is it? That's literally, you know the roadblock, that's that's holding it back. And to me, to me.
Speaker 2:You always got to figure out. What's the why? What is it? Yeah, through my journey with working with people, and especially trying to better people's lives with disabilities, I've had to really focus on my traumas, to heal them, to get on to my next chapter yeah, no, I, I, I fully agree, because our when you know someone is still wounded and has a trauma story is when they immediately say oh yeah, let me tell you about what so-and-so did to me. Oh, let me tell you about what so-and-so did to me, oh, let me tell you what happened to me in this?
Speaker 2:you know, in 2012, september, they start going straight into their story, and that is what people should really stop and look at. It is how is that story holding me back? What is that story, you know, doing for me? Is it keeping me stuck in blame and victimhood and addictive behaviors? Or is this story still got me stuck in regret or or self-doubt, or shame? You know what? What is it? I always say it's a lower state of consciousness, but what is it? Because a lot of people we don't share our happy stories. A lot of times we share our pain stories. I mean, do you notice that when you work with people? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Always.
Speaker 1:I notice that and I had a person ask me and luckily I handed it over. She goes I wasn't notified of this. I said, yeah, you were. It was in newsletter. You just had to sign up for the newsletter, you would have gotten the information. Why not through the newsletter? You would have gotten the information. And so I'm trying to make that clear to people, because one of the projects I am working on, they've got to find out the information themselves to help me. Right, and we can't. What I'm saying is we can't just feed people information and not have them do something about it to better their own lives.
Speaker 2:That's the key thing, and I'm so glad when you brought that up, because what you're really saying is actions speak louder than words, yep.
Speaker 1:Actions speak louder than the words in my book. It's always been my philosophy that actions speak louder than the words in my book, and humans can't feed other humans the information. We've got to start taking care of ourselves. We've got to start helping being kind to other humans. We've got to start helping other humans the best way we can 100%. Thank you for saying that You're welcome for saying that, and let's talk a little bit about your podcast. Now, is it something you came up with on your own, or how did you get into podcasting?
Speaker 2:Well, the first. It's real interesting because and I just came out this year sharing this, so you don't know this about me when but I am the author of the book the undetected narcissist Angela Meyer, that's my pen name, and I was inspired by a lot of people to start the podcast the Undetected Narcissist, because too many people, and even myself, when I was trying to understand narcissism, I couldn't find people that came from, let's say, my kind of perspective, because I learned that we humans create these people and if you don't like them, we got to learn how to stop creating them. And my premise is I come from compassion, wisdom, forgiveness and understanding, not hate, anger and fear. And that's what I kept running into when I was trying to heal was too many people were like hate, anger, fear, hate, anger, fear. And what inspired me was no, you need to come from a softer approach, because you can't heal coming from hate, anger and fear. It creates more walls. You need to dismantle the walls, understand why you brought this person into your life, what lessons you needed to learn from that experience so you don't repeat it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, rooms, which is about human consciousness. What is 3D, 4d, 5d? To really help people evolve as human beings, you know, really get out of the black and white thinking, the, the power, hungry, the. You know the greed, the lust, you know everything, all that craziness. And to be better humans, where you are kind, you're compassionate, there's equality, there's cooperation, there's forgiveness, there's acceptance, and that all of that is not just you give to others but you have to give it to yourself. And that's the hard truth is, a lot of people have a hard time accepting themselves completely.
Speaker 2:You know they they hate their bodies, they hate the way they look, they, they hate this and that about themselves. And no, we have to seriously give ourselves more grace and more kindness, because I say, if you want this world to be a better place, it starts with you first. You have to.
Speaker 1:I like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you have to embody it, you have to become it because you're, you know you really do. It's that same saying when we get on an airplane, put on your oxygen mask first before you put it on your kids. Yeah, there's a reason why. And so working on yourself is such a crucial thing, because then you're the living example of, like you said, when I'm no longer in the victim mindset, I'm a better person because I gave myself that gift.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And that inspires people. It inspires people to want to achieve what you have achieved.
Speaker 1:I am so into and people are learning this about me. I had surgery back in February. I had surgery back in April too. Was I a victim about my surgery back in April? No, was I a victim about having the doctors breaking my femur and my nuts to me? No, I've learned how to deal with a broken femur and people are amazed how independent I am, even with the challenges I have. I'm like what am I going to do? Sit here and be a victim about it? Sit here and war with me about it? I don't think so.
Speaker 2:And that's a beautiful quality and a beautiful trait and I would wish with all my heart and soul that more people could make that shift as you did as you did.
Speaker 1:Well, I finally learned after my abuse what cerebral palsy was and what cerebral palsy is and how it impacts me personally. And then I accepted it, and I accepted the broken bones and the broken spirit and moved on and got my knee repaired and then I'm slowly but surely healing. So it's taking a little bit longer, guys, than I thought, but it's okay, that's because they broke my femur, but I don't sit here and be a victim about it and war with me.
Speaker 2:No, and that's a beautiful trait. So thank you, and I really hope that you know you do inspire other people to realize that we all have a choice. We have a choice to stay in bed and feel sorry for ourselves, or we have a choice to pick ourselves up and make the most of what we can with what we got to get to know you and get to understand your work.
Speaker 1:where could they find you? And where could they find you and where could they find your work?
Speaker 2:Well, you can go to mastertheeperroomscom. There's a bunch of free stuff on there. If you just click on free stuff, there's free images, free eBooks, three MP3 downloads. I even do a free 15 minute consultation. If you just want to know, like hey, could you know, could she help me with something or could she not? People can find me there.
Speaker 2:I'm on YouTube, which is Master the Upper Rooms. There's a bunch of interviews and things that I do, and then there's the podcast, master the Upper Rooms, and there's even the Undetected Narcissist. If you're dealing with anybody narcissistic, you can go to that one. And actually I am starting the undetected narcissist season four again in June next um, next week actually and I was inspired by too many people saying, oh, you know, you still got to do this. This stuff has helped. So I'm going to be talking about codependency, I'm talking about how to forgive the unforgivable. I've got like a list of 25 topics that I'm going to share on. I think it is the second or third of June to say this is what I'm going to do, and then it will include a lot of healing tools, um like journaling ideas, free meditations, um metaphor stories to help people really get it. Or you just Google my name Keri K-E-R-I-E. Last name Logan.
Speaker 1:That's a good way too. I you would be really proud of me. I actually, well, I will never forget this, will never forget this. I actually forgave part of my team who abused me and I hope she took it to heart. But I'm ready to forgive my abuser when she's ready to come out of the woodwork and speak to me again. But I forgave her sister, who also added fuel to the fire because of my abuse, and it wasn't a raid, by any means. It was two family members that abused me, both my mom's sisters that abused me. So far, I have forgiven the one and I'm ready to forgive the other one, the main abuser, when she's ready to be forgiven, Because I am a better human because of my abuse. Believe it or not, I have educated myself on my own disability.
Speaker 2:Yes, and that's a gift. Yeah, it is a gift, just like how I said before, from all the abuse that I've experienced, yeah, it made me a better person. It taught me more of how we should treat human beings. You know, violence is not the answer. We should be kind and compassionate. And two our words matter, because our words can be more damaging than physical abuse, because your arm could heal, but if someone said something that cut you like a knife, that could still be stuck in your side even when that person dies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, we've got to be very careful what we say to humans and we've got to be very careful how we present it.
Speaker 1:You know and this is public, it's a public forum that I did for the Episcopal Church I spoke on mental health issues and how clergy could help their parishioners with mental health issues, because people won't come out of the woodwork to say, frankly, I have mental health issues, and one of the things I said was you might just have to be the silent witness until they're ready to talk about it. Correct, you might just have to. You can't pull mental health issues out of anyone and everyone. You just may have to be the silent witness until they're ready to talk about it. But mental health issues have made me a stronger person, along with my abuse of me, and it's all about the lives we lead, and so I hope that you guys enjoyed this episode and I hope that you will support Carrie and her work on the podcast. I will certainly be listening in and binging and, carrie, do you have any questions for me before we end this interview?
Speaker 2:Yes, I had some fun ones actually. Okay, so the first one is if you could be an animal for a day, which animal would you pick and why?
Speaker 1:Oh geez, if I can be an animal for a day, which animal would I pick? Well, this would surprise people, and people that know me know I'm little and know that I'm little but mighty. And if I could pick an animal for a day, I would say a bird, because they make beautiful noises. Except when they're mad, they make beautiful noises, and I would love to make beautiful noises. It would either be a bird or a giraffe. Ironically, because giraffes are tall and they stand up tall, and I wish I had the power of standing up tall, but I don't, and so it would either make beautiful noises or stand up tall.
Speaker 2:Okay, now this next question is kind of interesting. Have you ever had a dream where you're flying?
Speaker 1:Have I ever had a dream where you're flying? Have I ever had a dream? Yes, I actually have had a dream where I was flying. It was a long time ago. It was actually two weeks after my mom died, and I lost her in 2010, august 2010. So I actually had a dream where I was flying two weeks after she died.
Speaker 2:That's pretty cool. No, that's pretty cool because it kind of lined up with the bird thing. Okay, next question. The third question is if you had to pick between one or one of these, I'm going to give you two options. So let's say we lived in a magical world and you could swim in the ocean and talk to all the fish and create your own paradise under the ocean. Would you pick that one? Or would you want to live on land where you're friends with all the animals on land and you could even fly, if you wanted, with the birds? Which one would you want the ocean or the land?
Speaker 1:I would pick the ocean. Just because I'm a beach baby, I'm a Cancer. Okay, so Cancer's my astrological sign. Yes, it's my birthday next month. I said I'm people tell me I act more like a Gemini than I'm Cancer, but I feel like I act more like a Cancer and, for those of you that don't know, cancers are water babies to begin with and we get very, very emotional and we are strong and stubborn. So ocean would be my first pick.
Speaker 2:Okay, now the last question and I don't even think you know about this. I didn't know about this until just recently, so you know who Jeff Bezos is, right? Yes, okay. Well, he is creating a. He wants to create a space station up in um, up in there, up in our space station, and he is creating it where it's a world where people can live literally up in space. They're going to have land, water, all of that. Would you ever go up there and live, or would you want to stay down here on Earth?
Speaker 1:and try to change, I'll stay down here on Earth. Thank you very much. Okay, I am not. I am a believer in those cool things, but I am not paying my second with all the thousand dollars for a up in this space. No way. Thank you very much, no way.
Speaker 2:What I look at it is we should be solving the problems down here and fix that before you try to build something up there in space.
Speaker 1:I definitely agree. I definitely agree. I definitely agree. We should be fixing and you guys know this, we should be fixing all the rights for the disabled before we takeged, slash the disabled. And I say this loud and clear because what I've come across in my own life is shocking and it's like really fix the humans on planet Earth before you decide to spend over a million dollars to take a ride up to space.
Speaker 2:Correct. No, I fully agree. It's like you know you're going to destroy the planet down here and then build something up there where it's like oh, it's not my responsibility anymore. And it's like yeah, to me it's yeah. Okay, wyn, I have enjoyed you so much today. I've truly enjoyed you.
Speaker 1:Well, I have too, and I hope you guys enjoyed another fabulous episode. And go support Carrie in her work and go figure out how to be a kind human being and go figure out the path you lead and go support KIN, go support the podcast, and I will see you guys soon with another fabulous episode. Thank you guys. Bye you guys, with another fabulous episode. Thank you guys. Bye you guys. Thank you, bye.
