Running on Coffee and Christ

Episode 1 Brewing Community: Running, Faith, and the Power of Consistency

• calvin salamone • Season 1 • Episode 1

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The podcast explores the intersection of running, faith, and community, emphasizing the value of consistency in achieving personal growth. Listeners are encouraged to engage with their own stories and reflect on the role of consistency in their journeys. 

• Introducing the hosts and the podcast theme 
• The influence of running on personal and spiritual growth 
• Building a coffee business centered around community and quality 
• Personal stories of challenges and triumphs 
• The connection between healthy habits and lifestyle 
• An invitation for listener engagement and shared experiences

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Holli:

I'm Holli and this is Calvin, and welcome to the Running On Coffee and Christ podcast. We are so excited to get this started. It has been a journey and a mission on our heart to be able to start something like this and just to create community around three of our favorite things, which is running and coffee and Christ, not necessarily in that order.

Calvin:

Disclaimer. So, yeah, so definitely. We're so thankful for you all joining us on this journey and we look forward to being able to share some of our experiences around getting into the sport of running our lifelong journey from a young childhood for both of us in our relationship with Christ, and then, not too many years ago, really getting in deep on coffee and starting our own business, opening our own coffee shop and seeing God move in many different ways with the employees and the community and with opportunities, and this is one of those opportunities we feel God's leading us towards.

Holli:

For sure, and so every time that we do this podcast, we're always going to have our cup of coffee. We truly love coffee. It's not just something that we try to sell. The reason that we even wanted to open up a coffee shop is because we had such a deep love for coffee.

Calvin:

The community.

Holli:

I mean, it's a healthy love. It's not creepy weird? I don't think, do you?

Calvin:

Yeah, we're not. We're not too much into all the sugary stuff. We really like the flavor of coffee.

Holli:

We like we're both drinking Americanos right now, so just an Americano is espresso and water, so basically just black coffee. That is what I drink 99% of the time.

Calvin:

I would say I'm probably 85% of the time.

Holli:

Now, before we opened, I drank a lot of mochas. I drank a lot of mochas.

Calvin:

I would explore.

Holli:

He did. He would explore when we went out to places and we loved. We loved Starbucks for a time. We don't enjoy it as much anymore. We found things there that we do like, and it's mainly just a roast profile thing that we don't like, because everything's really dark roast and we're light roast and once you get used to light roast, then the dark roast seems even just worse. Yeah, um, but we would go to different coffee shops that was a fun thing for us to do if we had a date?

Calvin:

we went to a coffee shop if we had an event we went to a coffee shop if we had to travel.

Holli:

We went to a coffee shop right, we would google, you know, coffee shops and we found some really good ones and we found some ones that were like, oh man, that was they, they miserable. They, uh, could have done a better job on that. And so we were like, well, why don't we try to do a better job on that?

Holli:

and we I say this with all humility yeah 100 um, we don't have it all figured out and we never will have it all figured out, but god did place great people in our path, like with our roasters, with candace and john, with foundry roasters, and um all of our past business experiences in our own personal lives for sure, really led up to this and I'm sure we'll get into more of that.

Holli:

We will, but you see, like at the time, things that were happening in your life, like this jigsaw puzzle piece and this jigsaw puzzle piece, and they just seem like single pieces. But now I see that they were making a puzzle and it was a pretty puzzle.

Calvin:

I think it's pretty puzzle yeah, I do too and I just want the puzzle to keep getting bigger and uh, more outreach is what I mean when I say bigger, um but, that being said, like, like, we have a lot of stories that the last few years, the last five years, and then 10, and then 20 years, going all the way back to our childhood with our relationship with Christ, sure, you know and then even in high school, with you know, some dabbling that I did in the running sports. You know we have a lot of different histories to be able to bounce back on and we feel like it's really important for us to be able to share that with anyone who's willing to listen and hopefully you would join us on this journey of getting closer to God, excelling at your sport and learning about the business world, the things that we've experienced in our first two years of being open.

Holli:

We're babies. Yeah, we're babies by far.

Calvin:

And trying to figure out how to navigate the world of small business and trying to think how do we grow this? And having a growth mindset and also making sure we bring people along with us. And it's not just about us trying to run off and leave our current situation. It's us trying to grow our community and grow our family and grow our friends and grow our employees and really focus on that. And we want to hear your stories too, and we're going to really focus on that, but we want to bring you.

Holli:

We want to hear your stories too, and we're going to have guests on here.

Holli:

God has already laid so many people in our heart and they don't even know it yet, but that we want to have on here to share their testimonies and their stories, whether it be with just their walk with Christ or with coffee or with running. And those are not the only three things that we're going to talk about, but they are foundations in our life. But back to, we're always going to have our coffee, so we have a very wide range of coffee cups that we have collected over our—.

Calvin:

Every trip.

Holli:

How long have we been married?

Calvin:

22. 22 years, 22 years yeah.

Holli:

We've been together 23 years, so you know, a coffee cup is one of those kinds of things that you can always find it. No matter what tourist destination you're at, they're gonna have a coffee cup or a shot glass. We don't drink alcohol. So you know, obviously we we're coffee holics and we're gonna get coffee cups. But so, um, we have a wide selection of coffee cups and we're like what do we do with these?

Calvin:

Yeah, you know, I mean, everybody's got that cabinet. Yeah, the cabinet that's just overflowing.

Holli:

It is and you're like I don't need another mug. And then you go to a store and you see another mug and you're like I have to have that mug.

Calvin:

And I always worry about, like you're stacking them one, two and three on top of each other and you're like which one's going to fall and break and ruin a memory.

Holli:

You know it's like, and I wouldn't say surprisingly, that has not happened to us. No, it hasn't.

Calvin:

And I have one that was cracked, but it was when I was on a vacation and I came or a trip and a business trip.

Holli:

And I came back and when I got out of our cups and I was like, oh my goodness, I remember this trip, or I remember, you know, having this from when I was a teenager. It's just cool memories.

Calvin:

So today my coffee cup is.

Holli:

I start my day with a God shot and that's from the Bible recap. If you have been following us at all, we are following the Bible recap. We do studies on that, but I do start my day with a God shot. I try to start my day. Sometimes I'm ending it with a God shot.

Calvin:

Yeah, we were just talking about that. I haven't done mine yet for the day. Yeah, and that's just reading through the Bible the whole year, if you want more information on the Bible recap?

Holli:

just reach out to us.

Calvin:

It's just the tool we're using right now in our life, but mine is actually a Swedish wooden horse on a cut. But I got this as a memory for a place that my grandparents took us when I was younger and we went and visited there and I had to get this and they both passed away. But it was such a treat for them to be able to take us to this restaurant and it's where I had my first Swedish pancake. He bought us the wooden horses that were hand-carved and even my wife got to meet him before he passed away.

Calvin:

He snuck off, you know does his little Grandpa Green thing and he snuck off in the distance and came back and slid it across the table and it's like a little surprise, a little treat, and it's definitely a big memory, this cup right here of my grandparents. During this first podcast, we were trying to figure out what do we want to talk about, to give you, you know, a lot of value, not just rambling about ourselves. What is it that? That where we are at in our journey right now, basically with what we're doing when it comes to running, when it comes to our faith and then when it comes to our business with coffee, what is our driver, our theme? I guess we talked about it a whole lot here, a lot, a lot, and that is being consistent coffee.

Holli:

What is our driver, our theme? I guess we've talked about it a whole lot here lately.

Calvin:

A lot, a lot, and that is being consistent, being consistent in what you're doing, the goal that you have set before you. You plan out the steps, you know what you're trying to do and you have to be consistent in taking the actions that are going to take you to the place that you want to be. And running right now has been a big one, probably more so in Holly's life, with some longer distances, some goals that she's been trying to reach, and the business one has maybe been a little more of mine where I've really tried to figure out some new ventures and some new opportunities, some new ways of, uh, of improving our shop, um, on that front.

Calvin:

So you have to obligate the time you know, and you have to be consistent about that time we were just talking about, like, trying to get a run in and squeeze it in, and you can't squeeze in a long run.

Holli:

Yes, it doesn't happen no, and I really needed to go on a long run today because I'm I'm training for another half marathon and I'm wanting to get my time down, and so there's just certain things that you've got to do in order to achieve that goal, and obviously it's not a life or death situation, you know, but it is something in my life that I enjoy doing. So I was a little frustrated tonight because I didn't have time to run. I was only going to get a couple of miles in and and it frustrated me. But you do have to have grace with yourself, you know.

Calvin:

Yeah, Like I look back at the day and I'm like where did all the time go? And it's like every minute felt like it was occupied, like there was something that we were doing during every minute of the day. But then you go back and you think like well, I could have prioritized a little bit differently.

Holli:

Yes, I could have planned it out a little bit better and and set myself up for success a little earlier in the day, because most of the time the stars are not all going to align perfectly for you to do exactly how you wanted to do it. And that doesn't mean that you're not being consistent I'm still being, even if I didn't do the long run. And when I say long run like maybe six miles, okay, even if I didn't do that, I still did two.

Calvin:

Consistently striving.

Calvin:

You're striving to reach a goal and you know you look back, say you don't reach the time that you want or you don't get the the speed that you want, or you have an injury or something like that that you get bummed about and like you look back and you're like, well, maybe there are some things that I could have improved on and I should have done those longer runs earlier in the day and prioritize that, because it would have set me up to be able to get a better time or just to be able to to not have as stiff of a body during this next workout or whatever it is that you're trying to do. Recovery did I go slow enough in my recovery to be able to set myself up to run fast during a race?

Holli:

Because rest is important too. You have to consistently rest. Yeah, you do, and the main word is consistency, and I think, too, like last year was a really hard year for us. Yeah, I still feel like we're crawling our way out of 2024. And it's with so many different facets in our life.

Calvin:

Yeah.

Holli:

That I feel like God took a magnifying glass and just like put it on certain situations and issues in our life and was like this needs to be fixed.

Calvin:

It's like God with a magnifying glass burning the ant Like he's shining it on you and you're like yes, god, this hurts.

Holli:

It does.

Calvin:

And I see the light. And the only way to take care of this is either I got to get closer to the magnifying glass to get out of that focal range where I'm closer to you and it's not going to burn anymore, but right now there's a burn for the griefs and woes.

Holli:

You may be thinking I don't run, it's okay, Because the thing about running is you can fill that blank in. You can be like see, I can say running has taught me consistency.

Calvin:

Well, you can take running and make it a blank.

Holli:

And fill that in, fill that blank in with whatever it is in your life that God is using you, using in your life to teach you about consistency.

Calvin:

If you're wanting to write a book, you've got to consistently write in that book. If you want to teach a Sunday school class, you've got to consistently prepare for that Sunday school class. You know, whatever it is, with your job, with your career, with your business ventures, if you are going to grow something that's been placed on your heart, you have to consistently work towards that. You can't just say, okay, I'm going to do this and poof, it happens. You know that doesn't happen. You have to consistently put in the effort to develop things, plan things, lay things out. And I'll give Holly credit. She has a very forward mind and I'm a very builder mind. You know like, show me the vision, I'll try to build it.

Holli:

You know like, and I will say this Like I have that vision mind, I don't necessarily have a great Building line. That's what God put us together Ding, Great job, god, you rock.

Calvin:

Yes, but back on topic, you have to think about it in a lot of different ways, about the value of consistency in your life. You consistently go to bed at a certain time to try to get rest.

Holli:

We're bad at this? Yeah, we are.

Calvin:

But we heard one of our mentors was talking about. The only way that you can get more rest is to go to bed early, because your day is always going to start almost at the same time every day. You're not going to be able to force yourself to go to bed in the early light. You have to force yourself to go to bed earlier. So plan your life in accordance to where you are ready and prepared to go to bed early.

Holli:

And it has to be a consistent practice. I feel like we are making more steps towards that. It's not great still, but it has gotten better. Like we're not, I mean at the end of the day, it's like you feel this need of it's me time. It's like shut down time and it's like I want to watch this show because it's one thing I'm getting to do for myself today.

Calvin:

But I have realized, we really are not watching much at all. We don't have a TV in our bedroom or anything anymore, it's been removed.

Holli:

We don't really sit down much in front of the TV at all. I don't even think that we even said hey, we're taking the TV out of our bedroom. It was just like it migrated. We became more focused on other things because we were like, when God gives you hopes and dreams and plans and goals, it's like how, how do I get there? And you start reverse engineering. You know. It's like okay, if this is the end point, what are the steps that I have to take to get there? Point what?

Calvin:

are the steps that.

Holli:

I have to take to get there. What is going to keep me from reaching that? And that is something that has been like. I said God with the magnifying glass, I feel like he was like this is keeping you from more, this is keeping you from doing this, this is keeping you from doing that, and it's like okay, and it's almost overwhelming and and you can be like I suck.

Holli:

You know, I mean for lack of a better word. You can feel shame or just you're not where you're supposed to be and it's like that's not what it's about. And I'm so thankful that we have a Heavenly Father that is constantly seeking us out and prodding us and being like, oh sorry, and being like hey, you're made for more.

Calvin:

Yeah.

Holli:

You know you're made for more and I'm ready to give you more if you're ready for more. But it's going to take some consistency.

Calvin:

And you know this goes so deep when it comes to our relationship with Christ. You know, I remember at one point when I was younger, I remember having the phrase in my head that said I want to believe what I believe. And basically I was like trying to figure out what in the world do I believe, or was I just believing what I was told to believe? You know, like I had this really deep journey where I was like do I really truly believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God, or do I just believe it because someone said that, you know, and I was like, and I and I did, I believed it, but it's like, what about the nuances of it? What about all these other things that are theology in the Bible, that are theories, you know, and concepts? You know? I'm like, well, do I just believe what people say? And that's when I, like, really would start thinking about the word of God differently.

Calvin:

Um, and it wasn't just about seeing familiar verses, but it was about finding verses in the Bible that God pointed out for me to learn something through about him, about the history, about how it applies to me in my life and in our future, and not necessarily just oh, I recognize that as that Sunday school lesson that I heard many years ago.

Calvin:

It's not just because it's familiar, it's because I wanted it's familiar, it's because I wanted it to be personal, um and and and a personal relationship with Christ. It's just, it's indescribable. You know how, how amazing God is. Um, I can, I can know my wife from a distance all day long and I'll think Hey's a pretty lady over there. You know, when I was looking for someone to date and like yeah, but getting closer, I was like seeing her character really drew made me draw near to her and want to be closer to her. You know, closer to you, right, and and being close to you, it made me want to get even closer, you know and goes back to that word consistency yeah like when we're dating, you consistently communicate with one another, right?

Holli:

Constantly yeah, like, if you talked one time a week, you might.

Calvin:

Yeah.

Holli:

But you talk every day and you build that relationship even closer. And so I know, like last year in our on it. I'm just gonna be completely honest with you 2024 was very painful for us. We saw growth, great growth in our business.

Holli:

Um, we were just having to have really painful lessons yeah that we having to get through and we're still getting through them, honestly, yeah, but going back to the consistency, so this year was really a painful year. It was hard and we had a lot of painful lessons that we had to learn, but I really got into my January 1, I got into the Bible and I'm a pastor's daughter A lot of. If you know us locally, you know that I've grown up in church my whole life. I think my dad started pastoring when I was two years old. I don't know anything different, and it kind of goes back to you of you want your own personal relationship with God, not just what somebody's told you.

Holli:

And so my dad, though he was always really good about encouraging his church, encouraging us to read our Bible every day, so that was ingrained in me to read your Bible every day. And it wasn't a you have to do this in order to be this, or it wasn't that it was. He says you want to know God, you want to to be closer to god, you have to stay in his word. Well, I would, you know, I would read my bible, but I wasn't consistent about it through all those years, and so january 1, I was like I'm gonna be consistent this year and I started the bible recap, which goes through it chronologically, and so this past year was my first time to read through the Bible fully in my whole life, and I've been in church my whole life. I've been a Christian since I've been saved since I was 15 years old and I haven't even read his word. I'm 39 years old now, so like when you really think about that but I also think about the consistency of doing that for a whole year changed my life.

Holli:

I agree it completely changed my life and so and that's when that word consistency was just it kept coming up and it's like I felt like he was just saying see, see, see, what happens when you're, when you're consistent, and it's not that everything's perfect or that I'm perfect or I've got it all figured out. I realize that I have nothing figured out. Really, I'm completely reliant on Him, I really am.

Calvin:

Yeah.

Holli:

And you know it's like with our coffee. We have a lot of people come in and they'll say why is it different? It tastes better. Okay, Now I realize this is people's opinions. Okay, I am not knocking any coffee shop because if there's a coffee shop out there, we're going to go to it. Yeah, I'm not going to lie. I've dropped the kids off at school and I went by the coffee shop in Oneonta and I get an Americano on my way home because I'm wanting something. So we are not snobs. But people will say what's so different about it? Well, we try to be really consistent, Like that was important to us, and you can explain a little bit about how we are consistent, like that.

Calvin:

I think that when you so 100% a lot of our gratitude towards the coffee that we're able to serve. I have to go back to John and Candice, our roasters. They really took us under their wing as far as really wanting to mentor us in a lot of the industry when it comes to producing a good cup of coffee. Because the concept she laid out before me Candice did one time she was talking about how the farmer can pick the cherry in the perfect season. The family of the farmer can lay it out and get the perfect amount of ripeness, fermentation. They can turn it at the exact time on the pads, they can send it to the washer at the exact right moment. They can dry it and then bag it, and then the shipping container could have perfect humidity conditions all the way to America. It could come into America, come straight to the roaster. The roaster could do a perfect roast on it. Every single bean is roasted to perfection. And when it comes to the barista, and they don't pull that shot within a certain timeframe or within a certain weight, or within a certain grind size or within a certain parameters on their water temperatures, their grinder temperatures, the transfers, if it's not tamped just right any one of those variables.

Calvin:

If it's not consistently designed to optimize the extraction on that bean, the customer will experience a bad cup of coffee. So it doesn't matter if everyone upstream does exactly what they're supposed to. It doesn't matter if everything goes perfect. If you don't perform your task to perfection consistently, your customer is going to experience a bad experience. They're going to have a bad cup of coffee, and I was thinking about that. You know, like our parents could have done anything they could to keep us in church, our community, you could be raised in the Bible belt. You could be raised anywhere, like where, where, where you are just exposed to God, like you're exposed to the Holy Word, and you could have the perfect environment where everyone that's around you is really trying to help you to grow closer to God. But if you don't actually consistently seek God's face, you are not going to know His will.

Holli:

That's right.

Calvin:

You're not going to know what you're needing to do for him. You're not going to share with the people that you need to share with. You're not going to act the way that you are supposed to because you're not consistent.

Holli:

And I think we can say that, because it's not that we're doing that all the time. What we've discovered is that we were not doing that. You know, you figure out what you've been doing wrong, you know, and he's so merciful and it's not, it doesn't necessarily mean that right now we're exactly where we need to be.

Calvin:

I can't.

Holli:

I'll never feel like I'm where I need to be.

Calvin:

You know, with running, with business, with our relationship, with God, with our relationship with God, running and business, all those things that are kind of like the kind of focal points of our life right now, every single one of those. It doesn't matter what mark you're at, you always feel like there's another mark that you need to go to. So you can't ever get discouraged. You have to give yourself grace that when you're like, oh man, I wish I was closer to God. Well, how were you 10 years ago? Were you not close to God? How your fitness level Were you? How were you that many years ago? You know, and you know, it's like well, did you decline or did you actually grow? Did you actually advance from two months ago? Are you doing things consistently now that you weren't then? Give yourself a pat on the back. Sure, hey, reward yourself. You know. Fantastic, you did something today that you didn't do yesterday to better yourself. And you know, and change takes time. It takes time to grow.

Holli:

We live in an Amazon world where you know two-day shipping or things just happen instantaneously. You know you can transfer money like that to an account, so we want things to happen fast and instantly and so when they don't, we feel like a failure or we just get lazy about it or we're bored with it. It didn't happen when we wanted to, and then we just go back to old habits that are killing our dreams and are killing us, killing our health. You know, when I think about that, I think about the things that we do consistently that are bad for us. Like, no matter what you're doing in life, you're being consistent. It's just that you've got to be consistent in the right things. I know, six months ago I consistently drank Coke Zeros.

Calvin:

Yeah.

Holli:

Okay, I'm sorry if you drink Coke Zeros, and maybe that is not a problem for you, it was for me. I was like I really want to not eat and drink things that have chemicals in them, and so, to me, I was drinking those a lot and other diet drinks, you know, and so, and that was just six months ago, but I was consistently doing that and so when I consistently do something, it's going to have effects on me, right, and I think those effects are negative. So I was like I want to do things consistently that are going to have positive effects on me, you know, and we really did change our diet. We've changed how we eat, uh, how we even look at food, because I realized that you can be addicted to food, just like people are addicted to drugs and how food makes you feel.

Calvin:

There's a lot of food that makes you feel good at the front and horrible at the back, sure. And there's a lot of food that makes you feel just monotone at the beginning but has lasting effects for forever. So it's like the things that you most desire that satisfies your immediate flesh. Those things are going to have a negative effect on you in the long run and you know, with the sugars and things like that, you know, obviously that's like the.

Holli:

We're not nutritionists, we're just saying what's happening in our lives.

Calvin:

Yeah, those are the things that drive you to want to eat something you know, but it's going to have a negative effect on you and one of the things I've noticed is that, with our running, is that the healthier that we eat, the cleaner that we eat, the less soreness I have after hard workouts.

Holli:

And this is a testimony, because we actually went to the mountains right after Christmas and we had been eating very clean for a solid, I would say, six months. Right, yeah, so I mean we didn't deter at all, and so on that trip.

Holli:

We decided that we were going to indulge in some of the places that we always go to that are kind of discomfort foods and you know, like Appleborn and things like that, and we had some desserts and I was really nervous that it was going to make me sick to my stomach. But it didn't make me sick to my stomach, it had different effects.

Calvin:

We could tell that, like our, our body was digesting things differently. It didn't. It wasn't necessarily that it felt bad, but it did feel different. You know it's like unsettled a little bit. We stayed consistently.

Holli:

We ran like we would get up at four, 4.30 in the morning and run the streets of Gatlinburg.

Calvin:

Go trying to catch the bears and we were running.

Holli:

Obviously there's elevation there, okay, so we were getting some heels and we were like, hey, you know, let's use this, we're just going to train on these heels. Well, it was really painful and it was so much more painful than it should have been. When I was eating cleaner, the sugars that I had eaten had really, like, given me a lot of inflammation and that's where my pain was coming from, and I wasn't able to recover. And I know that even when we came home, I wasn't able to run, for I thought taking a day off was going to work. It didn't. I thought two days was going to be enough. It was like three days before I could run again. And I wasn't injured. It was just really my body reacting to the things that I had in it.

Calvin:

Yeah, the outside exposure coming into your body. But I think that you know like, when it comes to your business and your relationship with Christ and your fitness journey, wherever you're at, you really got to take the time to really enjoy it and love where you're at and be present in it and sharing your experience with your family, with your friends. It's important that you don't feel like you're isolated on an island. Share what's going on in your life and with your relationship. Um, it's important that, like you don't feel like you're isolated on an Island, you know share what's going on in your life and with your relationship with God, because you never know what, um, someone else is going to need to experience or to to uh understand something about what they're going through. When you share what's going on in your journey and in your relationship and in your, you know your fitness.

Holli:

Don't get so caught up in the end goal that you can't enjoy where you are. You know, and enjoying where you are helps you to be able to encourage people where they are. I know in the fitness classes that I do some of the women. You know they may feel a little shamed or just maybe discouraged about their fitness level. A little shamed or just maybe discouraged about their fitness level.

Holli:

But you know we don't come in just being able to do everything that we want to be able to do and with consistency they're going to be able to do the things that they want to do. But you know, it's a marathon, it's not a sprint.

Calvin:

Yeah, whenever I'm, like you know, delivering a sermon or something like that, and I'm saying something that we as a church need to do, or or encouraging people to act a certain way, that the Bible is calling them out to act, I always say, like this struck me first before I delivered to you. So you know, when you're, when you're leading a fitness class and you're doing a move, you're able to do it with better form maybe, or for more, more endurance, but you're still working out harder than you were it's still hard at a different level.

Calvin:

So you know where you are with your relationship with Christ. It's. It's still a journey to get closer, no matter how close or far you might think you are. You know like he's always right there, right there with you, but when you're trying to hear from him or you're trying to get a word from him, it really is. It's important to understand that nobody is going to be able to hear from him for you. You have to be close to him. You have to understand that you're moving towards that goal.

Holli:

You have to be consistent in your relationship with him because, once again, he is very consistent with us and always has been and always will be all throughout eternity. Yes, and I think we have finished our coffees.

Calvin:

I'm done.

Holli:

I'm too, and uh, it's been great. I think you know this is our first episode, so there might be a little bit more rambling than uh, hopefully, episode, so there might be a little bit more rambling than uh, hopefully in next episodes.

Calvin:

but, um, give us your feedback, let us know what your what, what little trinkets you got from your journeys, like our coffee mugs. What do you do to remember your, your outings with your family, your, your relationships?

Holli:

the things that you're struggling to be consistent with or, um, you know that things that have worked for you. What have you seen change in your life? Because you were consistent. I know that you all have stories and I want to hear them, so please share them with us and hopefully we can revisit this conversation again because and we can be consistent about consistency. So, until next time, remember to share hope, share love and share joy, and we'll see you next time.

Calvin:

Thanks guys.