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Event Media: Shooting and Scaling Without a Big Crew
What happens when a lifelong drummer picks up a camera? In this captivating conversation with Travis Smith, we explore the fascinating intersection of musicianship and visual storytelling that has shaped his unique approach to content creation.
Travis takes us through his creative evolution—from five-year-old drummer to professional videographer and podcast producer. He shares how filming friends skateboarding in high school and documenting band tours in his twenties laid the groundwork for Travis Smith Productions, his video, photography, and content creation company that emerged during the pandemic.
The conversation reveals how Travis's musician perspective influences his videography style. Rather than remaining a distant observer, he brings viewers into the action, capturing the emotional essence of performances through thoughtful angles and intimate shots. This approach transforms audiences from passive watchers to active participants in the experience—a philosophy that permeates all his creative work.
We dive deep into Travis's innovative use of podcasting as a strategic marketing tool. Beyond traditional monetization models, he helps clients like Lost Wax (a luxury wedding band) use podcast episodes to build meaningful relationships with potential clients and collaborators. These conversations create valuable touchpoints that showcase personalities and professionalism while generating multi-purpose content for various platforms.
For aspiring content creators, Travis offers refreshingly practical advice: be consistent, push through the initial awkward phase, and focus on authenticity. His journey demonstrates that following genuine interests and learning through doing ultimately leads to discovering your unique creative voice. Whether you're interested in music, video production, podcasting, or finding your creative path, this conversation provides both inspiration and practical insights for bringing your vision to life.
Hello everybody, welcome to Autofocus. I am your host, brooke, and we are here with Travis. Thank you so much for being here. I always like to ask people just kind of tell us what you do. How would you explain yourself? What do you do? What's your passion? What's your background?
Speaker 2:I would say I always think of myself, I guess, as a musician first. So I'm a drummer, but I'm also I have a videography or video photographic design, content creation company and do event marketing and then so yeah, I'd say it's probably in a nutshell. So I have a music festival called Faithful Pop Festival.
Speaker 1:Nice. What kind of music.
Speaker 2:Everything.
Speaker 1:OK, so it's to be everything, because like pop kind of is like everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, totally it's kind of from the stick in terms of, like, you know, if you think back like Monterey Pop Festival and stuff back in the day, they had a hodgepodge of different genres and stuff like that. So pop could be kind of what's popular at the time and stuff like that. But also I've kind of uh, you know it's fey pop for short and that kind of rolls off the tongue, it sounds cool, so it's kind of like, yeah, I'd wear.
Speaker 1:I'd wear a shirt, that's okay, yeah. Yeah, there's a little bit of that in there okay, cool, I like that, that's cool, I was gonna ask you. So you said you were a drummer and you said you did drumming. So did you do drumming or video first? Oh, drums way before yeah, when did you start drumming?
Speaker 2:totally like when I was like five years old okay, my whole life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my son just started drumming. Oh, yeah, yeah, he started.
Speaker 2:I guess he was 12, but yeah, he picked up on it's like my thing, that's like the kind of my tie that binds. The tie that binds to everything that I do is like every relationship I think that I have I could probably source back to because I played drums or played in a band or something like that. So it's really cool. So, yeah, it's kind of my kind of my thing. And video I've always done from. You know, I started shooting video like in high school whenever we'd go skateboarding. I skateboarded but I didn't want to like break my leg or something. So I was like let me film. So I would, I would do that and then kind of film the bands as I toured through my 20s and stuff and then kind of got into it real seriously during the, during the pandemic.
Speaker 1:That's really cool. You know, I was kind of the same way I was. So my brother was the musician and he was the drummer and so I was so like I had the station wagon in high school and so like I was always the station wagon slash place. Yeah, photographer slash, photographer slash, you know whatever they needed. So it was it was. It was really fun to kind of go and do that side of it. I like being like because you can still like be, you're behind the scenes but you're still can like, you're like in, literally like there's now yeah, why like I love it so much?
Speaker 2:yeah, you're like a band in kansas city. They're like so like we want this, we want this. I'm like say less, I know, I know what you want. What do you want? Yeah, watch this yeah like I get to do for other people what I wish somebody would do for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah I mean, yeah, because you can get up there. You're like like I'm going to tell your story, I'm going to get cool pictures, I'm going to yeah, it's like it's. Yeah, that's that's really cool thing and you have an interesting perspective because you did it, you know. So you're like, yeah, it's like what I wish someone had done for me.
Speaker 2:Especially when you know what they're going to do and they have synchronized dance parts or something like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know I still film my bands but I'm like playing drums so they're all like stationary and some GoPros or something like that. It's not like the gimbal or like getting up on stage like in the mix.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I always like to talk about people, about angles, like I know, because, like I think that that's kind of one of those things that like kind of elevate somebody from being like a novice to like a pro is, like, once you start understanding angles and how to capture really good action. Like what do you? What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree, Like you got to can't just stand back and film. You know, filming a band, three people or something like that, yeah, totally. Which I mean? I mean, if that's all you got and you're trying to capture everything on stage, there's totally an application for that. But like, if you, you know, if you've got, if we're doing music and you've got somebody that's like doing a guitar solo in the front and you can try and get the action of them doing playing the guitar, but then you have maybe the blur of their face in the background, then you can kind of see that they're making a face. Then you like pan up to the face, then you've like captured the moment a little bit more intimately.
Speaker 1:So 100, yeah, yeah yeah, I feel like it tells a story and also like brings people like further in because they're like like you're in the action. You know, like I, that was one of those things I um, you know, when I when I took pictures at the newspaper, I was too um, I always wanted like I didn't like using my telephoto lens, I wanted to use my wide, because that makes you like part of the action, and so that was always kind of like one of my favorite things to do. So I really feel like that tells the story more than like it is from being like a watch, so it makes you experience it, not watch it it's been interesting for me to have like work with people that's done it for longer than I have and they'll have.
Speaker 2:You know, some people blow me out of the water and then other people they just shoot completely different or something, and so it's like see what their strength is and then kind of fit around that and then kind of build on something of their creative, if you will. So like I've got like a guy that just shoots like really like if it's somebody making something and slow mo and stuff like that, it's just like it's like an Italian food commercial or something like that oh, that's good, yeah Like.
Speaker 1:Do your thing, man, yeah Like whatever's in there.
Speaker 2:So it's cool to see other people's perspectives and how they they do things, as I'm editing these videos and stuff.
Speaker 1:So yeah, there's totally like uh yeah an approach to it so when you go and shoot like will, you have like multiple like people shooting and you have to take it and put it into like poster man, it's uh, I wish uh.
Speaker 2:So, um, most of the time it's me, uh, I shoot most of the stuff. Um, usually a one or two person team is you most of my stuff, or somebody else is doing the shooting and then I'm editing it, or you know, we don't do a lot of like three or four person team stuff.
Speaker 1:A lot of times that's like that's like big, that's big, that's a lot, that's big time, most of my stuff. Do you want to manage all that Cause. I feel like if you're like the, if you're like the owner of the company, and you know, yeah, like I would.
Speaker 2:So my background is like booking for music venues and booking for bands and stuff like at very high quality qualities, so for me I can sit there and admin and and book it all day. It's when it comes down to then I got to go shoot, but then also I got to edit it. But then you like you have like a life or something. You're gonna eat dinner, like. There's like so it's trying to wear like all those different hats. I've learned to like get a good team of people around me that have different strengths and then you might actually have to scale your business around the strengths of your team whenever you're working with independent contractors like that.
Speaker 1:So it's really good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's kind of been like my, that's kind of my, my science, if you will. I've got my strengths, but then I've got other people that are that crush it and they just don't want to go talk to people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so you're like just work with me, this is perfect. Yeah, totally yeah, that's awesome. Tell us about your business. So what's the name of it?
Speaker 2:it's called Travis Smith Productions um, that's my name and I produce stuff.
Speaker 2:So, uh, you know, and I worked with for about I think like four years with a company called Lens Audio and I had worked for, you know, I worked in the hospitality field, managing bars and stuff.
Speaker 2:I used to be the bar manager at the amp for five or six years, I don't remember how long it was, but somewhere around there.
Speaker 2:But uh, you know, the pandemic came and kind of shut down the hospitality in the music industry type stuff. So ended up meeting some folks that starting a marketing company up and they needed somebody more on the graphic and kind of business management side. So I did that for four years and just kind of straddling the line of, uh, community events, kind of music, entertainment and festivals, and the other half was more of like kind of commercial real estate and working with uh more like businesses and stuff like that and so a lot of, and there's me and another person and that was kind of like he did that and I did this, and so it kind of just a natural progression of me kind of branching off and go out on my own, because most of my stuff, like I do like AV work, I'm hauling PAs around, I'm in the sun, like that's like you got to be like a particular type of animal to do that.
Speaker 2:You can't just sign your friends up to go be in the sun at 100 degrees. So it's like, but I'm, I'm of that. So for me I started a business kind of around producing the things that put on an event that you see digitally, whether it be graphic design, video photo, the reels, the recaps of events and stuff like that. So very community based video photo and podcasts and stuff like that that awesome.
Speaker 1:I wanted to talk to you also about just kind of. You know like it sounds like you do a lot of like live events and live shoots. Do you like that more than scripted shoots? Like which one do you like better?
Speaker 2:I think that I like the live stuff. To be honest with you, just because I'm a music fan, like it's like I grew up in concerts, like I literally was at every concert at the Amp for like half a decade.
Speaker 1:Even the ones you didn't want to do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's a lot of those Kid bops yeah, so it's like I'm at a, but there's just, you know, it's just been around music my whole life, so for me that's just kind of what resonates with me more. And then you know, it's probably what I'm better at shooting, so that whenever I give it to the artist they're like oh sweet, this is awesome, it's like your little reward, your little artist reward is like a little bit higher in that world.
Speaker 2:So I would say there's that I do like. I do like a like a shooting stuff where you're going into like a business and showcasing the business and stuff like that. Because I don't know, I've just been always been connected to the business side of everything I've worked at for so long or a management position that I'm just interested in the stories of people that started their own business and like, oh, we did this forever, we took it over from the family and stuff like that. Like you get all these real stories and stuff like that of real people through the community engagement style of video stuff. So yeah.
Speaker 2:I would say that's kind of the music world and then working with like businesses and community events, that's fun.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cause you can tell, like you know I was, you know we, we used to cover you know stories and then working with like businesses and community events. That's fun, yeah, because you can tell, like you know I was, you know we, we used to cover you know stories and then like things like that with businesses. And I did like a little mini doc about like this company. That was like their 25 year anniversary and it was like you need to do the whole thing, where you basically, like you know, talk, you basically go through the owner who started it and then he brought his son on and other people and his daughter and all this other stuff and we played it for him at their anniversary party. And he came up to me and he was like I thought you weren't supposed to watch your life flash before your eyes until you were dead and I was like I didn't. I mean, I hope there was more to your life, just his job. But you know, like it was, like it was kind of cool, but I got him in the field, yeah.
Speaker 2:All right, I haven't done a lot of stuff like that, to be honest with you. Like I'm connected to so many events for so long that when I started doing video there was no events. So I was like it was like, well, let's just go over here and switch over here into the digital age, blah, blah, blah. So then, whenever all the events came back, they're like oh, travis, can we get a sub-dub-dub-dub-dub-dub-dub, and then all these things. And so now it's just like a caveat that I do this and I happen to do graphics and stuff, but now I got videos, photos and a team of folks that can come in and apply more services to something post pandemic. So that's kind of like the events got so heavy that I haven't. There's not a lot of time.
Speaker 2:Like right now I'm working on like a scripted commercial with the Downtown Favo Coalition, perfect, and that's been fun. Like working with the Square One agency. They sent me over everything I needed the shot list, this is what we're looking at, this is the voiceover, and then I'm good at sourcing talent, you know, or just you let me know who you're trying to contact. Now let's just see if we, yeah, get reach out to them. So I was able to like get the voice over and go shoot everything and get everything together. So like that was pretty cool getting everything planned out. I'm not a. I'm not like us. I can't sit down and just really script something out at a grand scale like that.
Speaker 1:I ain't built like that yeah, no, that's a lot of thought that has to go into it yeah totally You're like yeah, I'm much more of a like let's get in the moment. Yeah, like I'm going to get in the moment, I'm going to capture it.
Speaker 2:You're going to get everything.
Speaker 1:I'm going to tell your story as I see it, and then yeah, I'm going to write it down Totally.
Speaker 2:I'll go do it, I'll shoot it.
Speaker 1:You're trying to do, or what you wanted in your head, but like I just I, yeah, I'm gonna be shooting any movies or something like that, yeah, okay, so what do you have more of? Do you have more drums or more camera gear? Whoa I just know my son is getting into drums and it's it's taking over the entire guest room how would you, how would you balance that?
Speaker 2:I don't know is it by weight? Is it by cost?
Speaker 1:cost, I would say um room, as it takes up oh, drums for sure yeah, okay, yeah, that's what I thought yeah, but uh camera gear yeah, I guess that's cost which. How much money on? Yeah?
Speaker 2:oh for sure, camera stuff, it's not comparable. Yeah, I would never spend money on drum like a drum man. Drummers don't like. They buy like three or four drum kits and then that's like kind of I hope so, because yeah, my sons.
Speaker 2:My sons are like, I mean like maybe in their life, okay, good, so like we got the starter kit the only the last kit I bought just because it was like super pretty, but other than that I would have been like I don't want another drum kit the kit that I enjoy playing most right now. I've been playing for 20 years and it's like a $700 drum kit.
Speaker 1:That's amazing.
Speaker 2:So, like drums are different, it's not like you can fall in love and get a good sound out of a kit without wanting anything new. It's more sentimental, I feel like guitar players just grab different things throughout a song. Oh, I use this on that song yeah, like all right. Yeah, you can't really change that out no, you're done yeah, yeah, it's it, that's it been a nightmare you bring two drum kits to a gig that'd be hilarious, oh my goodness.
Speaker 1:but I guess, like you know, camera gear, like tech, is changing all the time and so, like you're always like upgrading and doing stuff like that, what was your first camera?
Speaker 2:Oh man, I think it was like a little Panasonic handheld thing when I oh no, it's like my mom's VHS on the shoulder.
Speaker 1:I know, I know the Panasonic.
Speaker 2:I think she still has it. I think I saw it a long time ago. But then after that, when we were skateboard skateboarding, this would have been probably in like 2000 and using a just like a little handheld sony or something like that, something you'd get from them whatever the equivalent of best buy is at the time. Probably best buy, yeah, maybe. So yeah, that was probably then and I that was more. So I've kind of looked at filming to capture moments that I thought would be important, because my band was playing out of town and you know I was in another band would do stuff like go to Philadelphia and go to the Rocky Steps or something. So it's like, why not have like a Sony Coolpix with you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, the Coolpix, I had a Coolpix. Yeah, you put that card out, put it in the camera.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like game changing when those came. Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's so fun. Okay, cool, um, so done drumming. You're now a video producer and now you're doing podcasts. So how did you get into podcasting?
Speaker 2:oh, probably about 10 or 11 years ago, my buddy, levi combs. I used to manage a bar on dixon street and I had hired a guy and became really good friends with him. He goes, man, you know, you should get in a, you should listen to these podcasts. It's like they they talk for like a long time about different topics and I was like, okay, let me rush right out as fast as I can and listen to that, which I didn't give me like six months or something. He's like I've been telling you, man, because something's on aliens and then this is on you know history and stuff like that. And I was like, all right, what is it? And so, like, listen to one, got hooked and then you know, then you're listening to four or five and at the time, like, like I said, I was managing a bar, so I'd be like putting in. You know, you walk in through the day, you're putting in orders and just doing a lot of stuff by yourself. It was the perfect thing to kind of throw in your in your uh headphones and just walk around and do stuff. So and then at the time you're traveling in the band, I'm driving like an RV of like six dudes around you don't really want to listen to everything, so just listening always constantly. I bet I listened to easily.
Speaker 2:I for a long time I was listening to easily like four or five podcasts easily a day, yeah. And so then I started hosting them. I hosted the first one probably over 10 years ago called Natural State Radio at East Hall Recording Studio with Chris Moore over there and we did that and then got into later would be like another podcast called Making a Scene and then I had one called beats by travis. I bet I did probably anywhere between 60 and 80 episodes there and then started the george's live podcast and did about 95 episodes there. So through that process, kind of editing other people's stuff, then video came on board and to the point where it is now where, like you know, where podcasts are kind of farming your reels and your whole media content. Basically it's just what it is. Yeah. So it's like that's like what is it like?
Speaker 2:80 of people's content kind of comes from podcasts and stuff now, but it's not so much like it ain't like everybody's like listening to a ton of podcasts, but that video adds that video and it can link back like this clip right now totally you could put a voice, like I could be talking about travis smith productions and put like a voiceover of all the stuff I did in the last week and just talk about that once a week and put that out once a week and then you can just do that, and so I think that you know I've always seen like it as a medium of radio that you could do yourself, and so I used to play radio station when I was a kid it was my mom's childcare and make all the kids listen, and I think I would like play like 30 seconds of a song, tell some fake weather or something like that, and then go to the next thing.
Speaker 2:So I think if you you know I've always been a fan of if you do something and you're trying to get the message out, any media piece that you could use to tell it from your narrative and your stories, so people can get a more broad context, the better yeah they understand where you're coming from, you're able to say more things, and they understand it more.
Speaker 2:So I think a podcast has always been that so for me. I've always for myself. I would only like. Right now I just kicked up Faye Pop TV, which is a new one I just now released. I'm only one more episode, one episode in, but like I've been waiting to do something that I knew that would have a purpose that keeps me doing it, other than me just talking about myself so it's like yeah like I'll produce other people's podcasts.
Speaker 2:I got four or five of those, but it's for for me. It's just a. I think it's like the perfect side card of if you're doing something you want people to know about but you see the best opportunity to do it, especially with what you guys have, to just come in and plug in and leave with a product.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's that easy. Just come on in, I'll set you up, it's fine.
Speaker 1:You guys didn't tell me to say that either yeah, I know you didn't thank you, I know, but it is like, I mean, podcast is like it's like a marketing tool, it's not just like something for entertainment, it's actually you people can use it as like a marketing tool for their own business. So 100, yeah, no, I love it. Um, and you, speaking of marketing tools, you use like you have clients that have pod podcasts and you were telling me a story about how, like somebody uses it to actually as marketing tool there's so many applications that you could use a podcast for that are outside of um.
Speaker 2:I think a lot of people they'll start looking at monetization streams and of their podcast and they're like, well, we got to get listeners and once we get listeners and we gotta get a sponsor, we gotta go make a sponsorship deck and we gotta go talk to the sponsors and we gotta make a sponsorship that can. We gotta go talk to the sponsors and we gotta get them to believe that if they put this to this many things, then it's worth them paying this amount of money for this type of brand engagement and stuff like that. And so what I was seeing is the value of video. You're kind of like we're doing, we're calling it a podcast, but we're shooting a video and like why can't we do this in other locations, at locations and maybe have like some B-roll of like them cooking the fish with the fire flying and stuff like that. So I think Talking to folks and getting them to see the value in that and seeing that this is a great way for you to connect with clients, provide an extra level touch point to where they're coming, and you're spending a whole day Like one podcast.
Speaker 2:I do I was telling you about earlier is the Lost Wax called Backstage with Lost Wax, and they are a luxury wedding band located in kansas city. They do I think they said like 500 dates a year but they have like 80 members. They deploy I'm about to say it's like four to six bands at once. Yeah, so you'll like, and it's just a high level corporate wedding band. If you want the person in the the front doing like the jazz thing and then you want piano ballads over here and then you want a band that does this, or if you want three hours of music with 15 people rotating, if you want a horn section, they're crazy you just kind of a la carte oh sorry, like 80s cover band yeah and so we were doing the podcast and we did a few episodes and then they're like wait, what if we got like the wedding planners to come in?
Speaker 2:then we kind of like built relationships with them to where they know who we're actually about, because lost wax is like buttoned up, super professional, easy to work with. They're all like really nice people. That's why I like working with them.
Speaker 2:So you know, whenever you are looking for someone to work with and you get to actually find out all those things firsthand, regardless if it be through a podcast or something like that or the other I mean there's just more trust there. So for them, you know, flying in clients or flying in potential clients, or their favorite clients that they've had or people that they have we had, like the, had a Jason that does Casey live there, so he's like doing production with all these big concerts and so having them come on and talking about things within the industry, talking about their highlights of their career and stuff like that. So now they're able to walk with a piece of content. You just now build like some synergy marketing together to where they have the same thing. You're doing it now. You're collaborating on posts and stuff like that, and Lost Wax is always mindful of like, like how their thumbnail aesthetic looks on their Instagram and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:So it's it's a very hands-on, team-like approach to producing the podcast and the whole thing, but it's not. Obviously we want people to listen to it. Obviously we're looking for views and stuff like that, but it's more so about building relationships with those people but also giving them some content that they could use as well, because I mean, if they're paying for an in-house videographer, why not let's do some other stuff, yeah, so that's kind of seeing things like that. And then, you know, I got to do like the lunch hour series with KUAF, where you know, we had a artist come in and had a local business serving lunch oh, that'd be fun so you got a free lunch and then a performance of like six to eight songs, and then we filmed it like Tiny Desk style and then released a podcast and with the thing.
Speaker 2:So after seeing different applications of what we will call a podcast through a different live music series and cooking shows and all types of stuff like that, it's just kind of cool to see how other people use it as not only as a client acquisition but as a marketing tool as well yeah, I know I love it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that you can just, basically you can bring people in and like because it's a cool thing. You know, people come in and they feel special, they're like oh, there's cameras and it's cool and like you basically come in, you wine and dine them a little bit and then, yeah, it does and it helps grow a relationship and that's like you gotta find out what people do.
Speaker 2:It's the best chance to sit down and, like you know a lot of times, the best I think about. You know that first episode I did on my uh, on my new podcast I'm doing. I talked to chris at east hall, who I've probably interviewed two or three times, but yeah, I've known him half my life and so now I get to like really ask him questions. Some of the questions I asked him when I when I was probably 10 years ago, and now, like the answers have changed so I asked him the same questions again. So it's kind of uh, it's kind of cool to be able to sit down and really dive into people and ask them questions. It'd be absolutely absurd to just ask them in a normal conversation yeah, like what I like.
Speaker 1:Now I'm curious.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, okay why do you do that I?
Speaker 1:guess something? You can't ask what other people are around.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's so funny, I'm in work all the time it's like what's that about?
Speaker 1:I'm gonna interview my college roommate because she's a photographer too, and so I'm gonna. I'm gonna interview my college roommate tomorrow. So that was probably half the conversation is gonna be. Is us just like wait what? Yeah?
Speaker 2:yeah, it's a. It's a fun it's been. It's been really cool, like, uh, unfortunately, like for dumb decisions in the past, like you don't know how much you're gonna wish that you had them, but I've deleted like half the podcast I've ever done really, oh, I know there's a, there's, uh, there's some people here that work here and they had I guess TikTok was called something else beforehand and it was like a lip-syncing thing.
Speaker 1:And then it turned into TikTok and she went in and deleted all of them and I was like I wanted to see middle school Sam like lip-syncing, some like early 2000s music, so, um, yeah, like don't delete it, you can just privatize it, you know. And so, yeah, I think like I keep everything. I'm a person Like I want to know, I'm about that life now.
Speaker 2:I wasn't it before.
Speaker 1:I'll like cringe. I'm like because, like I know that eventually, like you'll appreciate it and you'll find humor in it later, because, yeah, my mom, the Pan and film me you know lip syncing like new kids on the block. I'm going up down the stairs also, yeah, I was almost like dude, did your mom just like, like, do you still have it? I'm like, yeah, my mom's got it. She's totally showed my son, so, which is fine, it's fine, um, but yeah, thank you I know it's so funny and they're, and they're hilarious.
Speaker 2:Now I was like we're just making memories now that people are gonna cringe at later anyway. So exactly, we're just doing it all over again my son already does that.
Speaker 1:He's 12 and I'll show him videos of him when he was like two and he's like that's so cringe and I was like it's adorable. So, um, but thank you so much for being here. It was great to talk with you, and we always have. I have one last question that I always ask everybody what advice would you give to someone just starting out?
Speaker 2:like it doing what?
Speaker 1:at being a content creator.
Speaker 2:So if they wanted to just content create, put it out on social media uh, just consistently keep doing it like push through the awkward phase, um, and you're not. You're not going to be as good as you're going to be starting out and you're not probably even going to be doing whatever. But wherever you land, where you're not going to be as good as you're going to be starting out and you're not probably even going to be doing whatever. But wherever you land, where you're starting is going to be two different things, but you're not going to find out unless you just start doing it and you're going to learn through doing. You're not going to find a trick on a youtube video or something. You're going to learn through doing what works for you yeah, true authenticity I think is like, so key, that's the easiest to just do something.
Speaker 2:That's naturally you that you don't mind doing a lot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, again, a lot too, because being consistent is also so important.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can't disappear for a couple weeks and then and then be like where are my audience?
Speaker 1:Come back, yeah, you're starting over.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Awesome. Well, thank you so much for being here and all right guys, we'll see.