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Attention Golf Enthusiasts! Level up your golf game with hosts Darren Penquite and Noah Horstman, PGA as they keep you up to date on the latest trends, equipment, training aids and more. Learn tips and tricks from PGA Professionals to lower your score and grow your love for the game of golf.
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Golf Ball Showdown: TP5 vs Kirkland
Ever wonder if those premium golf balls are really worth double or triple the price of budget options? We did too, so we put them to the test in our state-of-the-art golf studio.
During our comprehensive ball testing session at the Golf Garage, we compared offerings from every major manufacturer - TaylorMade, Titleist, Callaway, Bridgestone, Srixon, and yes, even Kirkland from Costco. What we discovered challenges conventional wisdom about golf ball performance and might save you hundreds this season.
The results were fascinating. While premium balls like the TP5 and Pro V1 demonstrated superior performance in specific areas (generating 10,500-12,000 RPM of wedge spin and providing better feel), the budget-friendly Kirkland performed remarkably well, especially in terms of accuracy off the driver. For many everyday golfers playing challenging courses where balls often disappear, the value proposition of budget balls becomes compelling.
Perhaps most surprising was how different balls dramatically affected launch conditions. Even with identical swings, we saw launch angles vary by as much as 10 degrees between different models! This isn't just interesting data - it translates directly to real-world performance. As we discovered, gaining just 5-7 yards of carry distance can mean hitting one less club into greens throughout your round.
The golf ball is the only piece of equipment you use for every single shot, yet most players give it the least consideration when optimizing their game. Finding your perfect match could immediately lower your scores without changing your swing at all.
Ready to discover which ball truly works best for your game? Visit us for a personalized ball fitting session where we'll use launch monitor technology to identify your ideal match. Your perfect ball is waiting - you just need to find it!
Welcome to the my golf source podcast. Welcome to my golf source.
Speaker 1:I am Darren and I'm Noah and I am excited.
Speaker 2:Why. Well, we've been playing golf all the time right now, because the weather is perfect and the golf garage is popping, and golf garage is perfect weather.
Speaker 1:It's 100 degrees outside, so I don't know what perfect is in your eyes. 72 in here, 69, baby.
Speaker 2:Just like your wedge. That's what we do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no it's my favorite club in the back Zero humidity as well, so we tested golf balls tonight, partner, we did, and I did not hit the 69.
Speaker 2:You said, grab your highest lofted wedge and I left my 69 and my 60 in the bag and I grabbed my 56. Smart move. Yeah, no, it was so fun so we played every golf ball under the sun from makers from.
Speaker 1:Bridgestone Titleist, TaylorMade Strixon, I mean we kind of Callaway, we went after it, I mean, and what was really fun was that we had multiple types of balls from each vendor.
Speaker 2:Right. Because, every vendor makes their soft feel. They make their distance, they make their what they claim to be their tour quality ball yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:I mean, and it was really fun for me because we started the night out as a ball fitting like fireside chat, so intimate setting, you know, there's like five of us around a table just talking about a golf ball. Questions would come up, stories were told. It's literally one of the most unique ways to educate yourself. And I mean, something came up with the rules of golf that I didn't know the answer to and I'm asking Siri, I'm jumping on the USGA. It was about how many dimples were allowed, and found out that 300 something, the 500 something. Well, yeah, it said the average is between 300 and 500, but there's no limit, and so I kind of thought there was no limit To the drinks we can have delivered to us while we're doing this podcast.
Speaker 2:There we go yes To the drinks we can have delivered to us while we're doing this podcast.
Speaker 1:There we go. Yes, thank you, evan. Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2:He makes the best Cadillac in town Pretty solid, excited about those wins, and old-fashioned the old-fashioned is literally the staple of Golf Garage. Not to let it be too personal, but you let me take a sip of your old-fashioned, and it was good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, don't tell Kimberly we're okay. It was, uh, it was incredible, and I will say that our food scene's about to go off.
Speaker 2:The smash burger is off the charts, you try it.
Speaker 1:I did Nice. Do you get a double?
Speaker 2:No, no, cause I I ordered a pizza and then Evan came out and he delivered my teammate a smash burger. I'm like what You're still doing those he's all. Oh yeah. Yeah, you didn't ask for it. I'm like you didn't tell me.
Speaker 1:Uh-huh, yeah, it was the secret. It's the secret I had to cut short.
Speaker 1:I had to cut short on the pizza and order a single smash burger and try it and I overindulged but it and there's nothing wrong with that and you know what's funny is like going into this whole smash burger scene, not to go off topic of golf balls, but like I've been trying smash burgers every restaurant I go. If I see it, I try it because my goal is we are known to be the best burger in town. You got to come to my house, oh yeah, you're not a restaurant, do you just go hang out with y'all?
Speaker 2:Make some ribs, you make some smash burgers, we're good, you bring the whiskey, I'll bring the beef, and we're all good. There it is.
Speaker 1:There it is. Yeah, I mean, ultimately, I have not had a smash burger better than chef Jason's in town, and it's it's so awesome that he can create the texture that he does on that thing, because I had one the other night. I won't name names, but it tastes like an In-N-Out burger and it was supposed to be a Smashburger and it was soft.
Speaker 2:It's supposed to have that crunch. There was no crunch. It's supposed to have crunch on the outside but not be overcooked on the inside. It takes him about 90 seconds to actually cook the Smashburger, because he's got the grill on the right. You get a hot griddle. You get a hot griddle. You smash it down super thin.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, he's dialed. So anyway. Next thing real quick sushi too. So I'm just saying it's happening in August we're going full sushi, we're going full smash burger shortly after, and then old fashions. Those are the things that we're trying to figure out. We have identity at the golf garage for food and beverage and I'd say those are the things we're looking for. You know, I also another one that happened today right, heather's margaritas are good too.
Speaker 2:Oh, she's, she's so good.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I don't want to say I trained her, but I trained her.
Speaker 1:The way you like it there you go.
Speaker 2:So if you come to the golf garage, ask for a Cadillac. Margarita Darren's Way.
Speaker 1:So is that a new shirt, Darren's Way.
Speaker 2:No, that's not interesting. Just ask for it, they'll take good care of it.
Speaker 1:I promise I've got one for you.
Speaker 2:I had a buddy who played on me Steve, he'll kill me for telling the story, but he had one margarita my way and he's standing over the golf ball swaying back and forth and he's like dude, never again, never again. I hate your way. I'm not doing this anymore.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, Well, we just had a wing delivery from Evan. That's awesome.
Speaker 2:I've got my pizza, you've got your wings. I've got my pizza, you got your wings. I got my Cadillac, you got your cider, but your old fashioned is gone.
Speaker 1:It happens. So here's the shirt. So I have this funny thing that if anybody hits a wall, we're indoors, obviously, and pony wall for safety on a hallway, and then we've got this awesome faux brick wall with our big golf garage logo Five bucks if you hit it. Yeah Right, five bucks if you hit it Right. So here's the deal Don't thin it. Yeah, make insurance. It says five bucks if you hit it. And when you pay me the five bucks you get a shirt and it says it right on there Golf garage on the front. Five bucks if you hit it. Yeah, I paid five bucks at the golf.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that'll work too. What for?
Speaker 1:Oh, don't worry about that yeah exactly.
Speaker 2:I was on top of my membership there. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it'll be okay. Memberships are not expensive relative to private clubs.
Speaker 2:They're really not. Not at all. We're half the price of the country club.
Speaker 1:Yeah 24-7 access 24-7.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and we're different, and you know what? There's always a PGA Pro around here. If you walk up and say, hey, look at my swing, give me a quick pointer.
Speaker 1:It's what it costs you nothing. That's what we strive ourself on is good service.
Speaker 2:I mean, obviously, if you want an hour of undivided focus attention, it's going to cost you a penny.
Speaker 1:but we always talk about. This service is free. When you come to work, you leave your stuff at the door and service is free and whatever we can do for that person is what we're going to do and ultimately we're building relationships, we're building a culture and a community and it's family first baby.
Speaker 2:And the one thing that you don't see anymore anywhere, even at the country club find you, is when you walk through the front door. The staff here knows you by your first name.
Speaker 1:Dude, evan's got a photographic memory. He knows your first name and the drink you have. Hey, would you like another one of X? And I'm like how do you do that?
Speaker 2:And that's why I tip 30% to 50% every time. That's awesome. I mean, Evan's a buddy.
Speaker 1:now he's no longer just Still in college, though Got to pay his dues. He's still in college, though.
Speaker 2:He's still in college, but I'll tell you what I went to and I'll say this I'll give them major props. I went to the Claim Jumper franchise restaurant in Portland, in Tigard actually, and we had a party of about 20 people. And our waiter came up and took everybody's order and didn't write one thing down. Not one thing. And I'll tell you why he did not mess up one order Do you have his number. Number one. Call him. I don't, but he needs to be hired.
Speaker 1:It's called recruiting.
Speaker 2:I think we tipped him about 100%. This was about five or six years ago, but this guy took about 20 people's orders with all their, you know, no lettuce on this, no tomato on that, extra onions on that. And I'm thinking to myself as he's taking these orders oh man, this is going to be a disaster. I'll tell you what. Every single order was perfect.
Speaker 1:How about this one, so good friend of mine, terry Frohmeyer? I mentioned her on the podcast. Maybe in like week one or two she won the senior women's amateur. So to me that's like high profile player, right. She's in the national spotlight, won a big tournament and she's at her club, illahee Hills country club up in Salem hidden gem, by the way. If you get to play it, she's at the club Illahee Hills Country Club up in Salem Hidden gem, by the way. If you get to play it, she's at the table.
Speaker 1:And at the time she would drink Red Bull. She didn't drink alcohol and she's at lunch and she asked for Red Bull. Just so happens, the club was out of Red Bulls. She said that's okay, I'll just have water and if you can get this, put my order in. And blah, blah, blah. So one of the waiters that took her order runs down to the supermarket, comes back, puts a Red Bull on her table. Here you go, mrs Fronmeier, have a wonderful day. And Terry told me about this story. And at the end of the and at the end of the tab, she takes out a hundred dollar bill and puts it cash I love that and puts it in the tip thing and writes a little note and, you know, basically says thank you. That was amazing.
Speaker 2:You won above and beyond.
Speaker 1:Correct. I mean we talked a lot about that and you know, even when I was caddying for in the USGA championship, I think I caddied for three or four times that was one of the stories that would come up. So when we're playing, we're talking about just life, right, and I just thought and I'll I said it earlier I'm like service is free, terry. I mean I worked at that same club as a golf professional director of instruction, you know, college coach at Willamette. Like the things you give to people, it's up to you on if you decide to do it or not. You know, and I think that's what's so?
Speaker 1:cool and Terry is an amazing person and a no BS. She will cuss at you. She is hilarious and she is a genuine individual. Trump supporter, super conservative the stuff she says.
Speaker 1:I just I dropped down and laugh oh, I love her too. But at the end of the day I learned a lot from that woman. And you know somebody that played golf in college D1, knew Arnold Palmer's daughter had a chance to fly private with Arnie and her college coach said if you fly with Arnie on this trip, you will not play in your next tournament. She didn't go.
Speaker 2:There wasn't a, she didn't even have to think about it no, she ended up saying obvious choice.
Speaker 1:Well, but she didn't go. She didn't go with Arnie, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's brutal, so anyway. So end of the day, like you know, you think about her personality trait and what it takes to win a national championship at that level. She stopped playing golf for 30 years, picked it back up. I started working with her. Another mentor of ours was working with her as well, Al Cross just best instructor in the world I think. He was ranked like top five female coaches in the country, worked at Vintage Club, all this stuff One of my big mentors. But anyway, Terry was the personality trait that perfection was never there, so she just grinded and was always looking for better and always looking for better, never zero there was never any it was earned politics aside, because we do not talk politics on this podcast what are those?
Speaker 2:I don't know, man, I just hear a lot about it on the news and it's ugly and it's like Instagram and Facebook news, or oh, it's whatever they want.
Speaker 1:It's whatever they want you to see. It's whatever they want you to see, yeah.
Speaker 2:But, that being said, conservatism in your mindset when it comes to your sports, your life, your business, whatever is a good thing, because it keeps you humble, keeps you focused and it keeps your pride and entitlement aside from what you need to accomplish.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would absolutely agree with you that this day and age, with the technology and given my businesses around technology right, I have the best technology in the world for golf but that technology also feeds you instant gratification. And golf is not instant gratification, it is what you do. Ben Hogan is one of my favorite golfers and on our bags I don't know if you've noticed this we have these little mini staff bags that have golf balls out on the chipping green right. You know what those are.
Speaker 2:Right right.
Speaker 1:They say tailor made on them. Well, there's a slogan on there that says the more I practice, the luckier I get. Imagine that, Wow, there's some. Or I dug it out of the dirt, right, I mean? Things like that are so true, it's grit. So let's move into college coaching. Right? So we're going into year four at SOU.
Speaker 2:Part of your team cares deeply and has grit. Part of your team, I mean doesn't give a damn. And you've got to bridge that gap. What I've noticed is this they all give a damn.
Speaker 1:The difference is, if they don't make it that week, they feel like failures and they may not have the grit. So I don't want to say they give up per se, but they have to learn how to roll around in it and come up with a par, instead of giving up because the swing's not perfect, because everything that they have in the palm of their hand as a computer depends on it as much or more than they do themselves.
Speaker 1:Does the team say that again, it should Well as far as the great needs that. Again it should Well as far as the great needs that. Oh yeah, a hundred percent, they're part of something bigger other than themselves.
Speaker 1:So we have awards and, going into that, we had a freshman this year when the Raider award. So our mascots, the Raider. To me that's a character award, it's a how did I support my teammates? How was I as a teammate? This young man fought through a ton of adversity. He failed a class and communicated with a professor and something didn't go his way. He was ineligible in the spring. Yet he still showed up to practice every day. He still cheered on his teammates. He texted me to find the link to be able to watch his teammates play and he knew he wasn't going to be able to play. That is grit and that is what we need. That's our sixth man. That's love. That's love for the game, that's love for your need. That's our sixth man. That's love. That's love for the game, that's love for your teammates. That's culture, right? That's what we want. Anyway, leadership, servant leadership, those are different topics for another day, but let's get into leading the way in the golf ball in our testing today. You know, our testing today.
Speaker 2:So it's funny that I can't hit my club straight in my life depends on it, unless Noah Horstman is watching.
Speaker 1:That was pretty good. You hit it great today.
Speaker 2:I get up there, I grab my 56 wedge, which I hate, mind you. I would much rather take my 60 or my pitching wedge. I don't like my gap wedge either. My 56 and my gap wedge are not my favorite clubs, to say the least, but I grab my 56 because I want to be in that kind of neutral wedge zone somewhere in the middle. So I grabbed my 56 and, remarkably, I actually hit it fairly well and I was generating what Between 9 and 11,000 backspin.
Speaker 1:You were getting up there near 12,000. I think your best hit was like 11,700. That's incredible.
Speaker 2:And it was only a 60, 70% swing, 80-yard raw carry.
Speaker 1:Stop right there. Did you learn something? What percentage swing did you have? 60, 70%. So when we go break 80,. Here's your first lesson on the podcast. I know I've helped you with chipping Right. Here's your first lesson. Every tour player in the world has something left in the bag, minus maybe Bryson DeChambeau, but they all have that little feel of 80%, 70%, 60%. If you can take that through your entire game, you're going to play better.
Speaker 2:True, and I do try to take that onto the course. When I'm you know, I know I can hit my 56, 105 yards.
Speaker 1:What's the point? It's not about how far, but how many.
Speaker 2:But what's the point? When I'm 105 yards out on the course, I usually grab my gap wedge Like that, and I do that knowing that I don't want to swing 100% at this club. So I grab my 56. If I'm 85 yards out, I just need a coach watching me all the time.
Speaker 1:Well, do you think the golf ball matters?
Speaker 2:Yeah, a hundred percent, I mean it's. I mean we were talking aside from the performance of the ball itself. Statistically it's the preference of flatter clubface and you know I like the sound of it. It's quieter. When I hit the center of the clubface it's quiet, it's that little click and you feel the compression of the golf ball. You get that physical feedback that you can feel With a lot of the newer technology. You get that little softer club face. It's a lot more forgiveness. I'm not sure I get the gratification of a good hit from the newer technology than I do, my current club Interesting.
Speaker 1:So if I said you picked up 40 yards distance and you had a driver that sounded like a tin can, would you like a ping driver, sure, would you not? Buy it.
Speaker 2:It will be something I just have to get used to, but of course I'd buy it if it gave me the performance I wanted.
Speaker 1:So it's interesting, right. So as a fitter right, I'm a master club fitter I have to figure out what the student wants. Ultimately, I have to peel away the onion. I have to figure that out in about two minutes. I have to ask the right questions.
Speaker 2:But peeling away the onion can take two months. I mean when it comes to having the person who's being fit adjust to what they think in their mind is a good hit, based off of sound, when they're hitting a totally different ball.
Speaker 1:And ultimately the way I look at any fitting experience is they're going to come to me and tell me what they want or what they don't want. Then I have to ask the right question. So I want to hit it farther. Oh, that's easy, you did, I like that. How much farther, right? So then it turns into specifics. So for me I look at if you can pick up at least five to seven yards of carry distance, it's worth changing that ball or it's worth changing that driver 100%.
Speaker 1:Right and it doesn't sound like much. That's 15 feet. That's a huge difference in golf. That's almost two-thirds of a golf club carry Like. That's incredible amount of difference. And that could be the difference between you know a sand wedge that you don't like and your 60 degree right or whatever it could be. And ultimately, proximity to the hole gets better when you have a shorter club in, which means that you have better chances at birdies and pars, which means your score goes down.
Speaker 2:Correct. I'd much rather hit a eight iron into the green on a par four than a. I'd much rather hit an eight iron into the green on a par four than a six iron, Seven or six sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so, ultimately, golf balls are the most important piece of equipment in your bag. Everyone always asks me what's the most important thing you can do. Well, I mean the way I break it down is putting's number one, driving's number two, chipping's number three and iron's number four. I learned that from a good friend of mineig hocknell. He's a mini tour slash pga tour player and I would not disagree. And I got it wrong when I first guessed and he asked me to put everything.
Speaker 1:My putting has been on point lately, but I still shoot high 80s, low 90s yeah, and I mean, when we look at this ball, striking is a big thing, like when you hit your wedges. What I noticed was you hit the ground before the ball probably 50% of the time with the Kirkland and a few times with the TaylorMade. Yeah, I mean. And again, hitting behind the ball is relative. How much ground allows you to still hit the ball Because the bounce will relieve?
Speaker 2:it. That depends a lot on the fairway conditions.
Speaker 1:You're playing on 100 and so, ultimately, when you have a ball you're confident in, you get after it right, and I mean that's the hard part about testing a ball. Best thing in the world is if you had a number one, two, three, four, five, six and a club you're confident yeah, but no logos on the balls.
Speaker 1:That would be the ideal, perfect situation. So today in our ball fitting in the fireside chat, I let a couple of people actually hit some shots while we were doing it and we did a blind test on the putting, because I go back to my days at Beachmont Country Club when I had this woman that told me that she could not feel the difference in putting between any golf ball and I said, okay, that sounds good. Well, we're going to test it anyway.
Speaker 2:This is a great story. I remember this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so what we did was we hit both balls and she said, nope, I don't feel a difference. And every ball she had in her bag was different. So that was kind of weird. And I find about a 15 foot putt, so something just big enough to have some swing to it um, with the putter, and I had her make some strokes getting comfortable with the swing. I didn't show her what ball was going to go out and I said, okay, great, now I want you to set your putter down, close your eyes and when I say to putt, go ahead and putt. So she does it.
Speaker 1:It's the first ball and it's the second ball. And the first ball, mind you, was a top flight XL, I'll never forget that. And the second ball was a pro V1. And I purposely did this just because she said she couldn't feel the difference with eyes closed. Her eyes opened up after the second ball and said that felt so much softer. So I don't, that doesn't and, yeah, it doesn't mean that you're going to feel soft with a pro v1, because we actually challenged that today and the gentleman that hit thought the Pro V1, or, I'm sorry, the TP5, right Equivalent to Pro V1X felt harder than the two-piece golf ball he hit. So that's odd, it's feel. I mean, what do you say If I pinch you and I pinch somebody else? They're going to feel that different.
Speaker 2:But an amateur golfer is not going to hit the same spot on the putter face every single time. Well, I think that's the whole point which is going to make a big difference.
Speaker 1:But putting is the closest thing to the center of the face repeatedly that you would probably do Makes sense Because it's a smaller swing, controlled, controlled, correct. So I think it's just a way to kind of get what somebody's saying to you, because then you can diagnose, feel and say, interpret their language. That's the whole point. Is every person I teach I have a different language with them, Right? I mean, it's so funny when it's a secret, right?
Speaker 2:Funny you mentioned that because the putter makes a lot of sense with that.
Speaker 1:So, like for you, I might say something to you that you better not repeat to your buddies. You could say, hey, noah gave me a chipping lesson. And they're going to say, oh, what did you learn? And you're going to say, do this. Oh, I'm going to try that. And you say, don't do that it doesn't work.
Speaker 2:It's the opposite.
Speaker 1:For them, it won't work for them. So, ultimately, ball is important and, going back to that, the reason it's the most important was I tested everything today and I was actually amazed at what I found right. I mean, you were there and we videoed a bunch, so we're going to put this on our on our Facebook page. But, like I hit some of the best shots, they were all center face, except my first one was thin with my 58 degree wedge. I had launch conditions that were so crazy different. I had a ball that launched almost 40 degrees on my vertical launch and my normal vertical launch is right in that 28, 29. I love 29 degrees in my 58. That's like perfect and I'm a little lower launcher guy anyway.
Speaker 1:Was that a super soft ball or a super hard ball? It was the Srixon Z star golf ball. It was crazy. It went straight up in the air at 39 degrees. I tried to hit it lower and I only got it down to 36. When I knocked it down I saw that, but the spin rate was the weird part. It was was spinning at like 6,000.
Speaker 1:Which it should have been spinning at 11,000. Yeah, but it was like coming out of the sky, super steep because it was so vertical so it still would have stopped. So it counteracted the spin. It was super interesting. I want to get on the course with it just to see what it does on greens that I'd play versus in the sim, but ultimately it was a great test and play versus in the sim, but ultimately it was a great test.
Speaker 1:And the thing that I noticed was I've played tp5x for a long time. I've always been. I've always needed a lower spinning golf ball, so I've been. I was um tidalist, um pro v1x when the x was a low spin ball. Now it's just the regular was callaway chrome soft x when I was on staff with them for 11 years and I've been TP five X since. I've been on tailor-made for three years and this was the eye opener for me. I mean, I hit the TP five X Great, it felt great, hit it good, I controlled it. My spin rate was like 10, five, 10,500. Um, launch was good. I was the best shot. I had hit A couple balls go by Chrome Soft, few things, and then I take the TP5 out. My spin rate went like up 1,000. And my launch stayed down and it felt good and I literally almost didn't want to hit any other balls because I'm like is this for real? So then I go to the chipping green and what happens? I chip with it and it feels great.
Speaker 1:And it checked up better than the TP5X. And then we hit driver and I carried it.
Speaker 2:But that's against the narrative.
Speaker 1:For me it is, and so I'm curious, like I now want to call TaylorMade, and I want to ask them, like, what's changed in the last three years of the TP five? I want to know more about this. I know a lot about it being on the national fitting council, but I'm like was this ball your original TP five, x and you just changed it.
Speaker 2:We think if you're going to give up distance, you're going to gain spin. If we're going to give up spin, you're going to gain spin. If you're going to give up spin, you're going to gain distance. But it was not that effect with you.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, all relative, and I mean the fact that I picked up more carry numbers, higher spin with my wedges, same feel, if not better, and the check was there and I had the same launch conditions. That to me is a home run. So when you're fitting for ball, you got to look at a lot of different scenarios, but a couple things I'm gonna look at launch and spin. If you hit it through the window and then that person says I love what that looks like, I love what that felt you are a home run, and then the only other thing would be is like how does it do around the greens?
Speaker 2:right. So my teammate and I am sim league. He brings in the higher end premium callaway balls and I usually hit the hit those and I like the feel of them.
Speaker 2:I like my overall results with them, except I'm not getting the distance that I'm used to getting or that I think I should be getting um from my tp5x that I have in my bag. Um, but ultimately, I'm the last three weeks in simulator league. I've been shooting low 80s that's awesome, which is great for me and I've been hitting the Callaway balls, the higher-end premium Callaways and I'm wondering is it the ball, or is it me?
Speaker 1:Today, you and I get out there and we compare the Kirkland and the TP5X. No, this is what everybody's been thinking about too. What is the big difference with the Kirkland and a premium golf?
Speaker 2:ball. It's a big deal because there's literally I don't want to throw a flat number out there, but there's- it's about a third of the cost. Or less. Yeah, yeah, off of retail Everything in cost goes a third of the cost.
Speaker 1:Come on, and you can return it whenever you want.
Speaker 2:Right and the Kirklands performed very well. For me, the TP5s definitely increased my spin, as you noted, on both my driver and my wedge, but the Kirkland balls performed well, very well, and I'll tell you what because my son and I joined you. You had set up a 18-hole round for us at Shasta.
Speaker 1:Mount Shasta Resort.
Speaker 2:Mount Shasta Resort, which is a very narrow, hilly, you know, wooded course, and I had told my son, who exclusively plays TP5X. I said I'm not going to have you hitting four or $5 golf balls into the trees. So I'm going to go to Costco and I'm going to buy two dozen golf balls for 28 bucks and he was bent out of shape. But when it came down to it and he started hitting, hitting the golf balls, he's like I'm impressed. Yeah, and that meant a lot coming from my 13 year old who is very ocd when it comes to his golf equipment to put it politely, and I was hitting the kirklands as well.
Speaker 2:And I'll tell you what when I hit the center of the club face on my driver and my irons, I felt really good about it. In the simulator, when I actually look at the data, there is no dispute that the tailor-made TP5, TP5X gives me better data, gives me better number. There's no dispute on.
Speaker 1:that Sounded different was the biggest thing I noticed.
Speaker 2:It was a softer sound, it wasn't as high a pitch of a click. But again, when it came to the actual numbers, there was no dispute. But again, when it came to the actual numbers, there was no dispute. The TP5 was outperforming in spin, in vertical launch angle, outperforming the Kirkland. However, when we're looking at a third to a quarter of the price and we're going out to a golf course where we know, in all honesty, we're going to lose a lot of golf balls, it's a home run it's a home run.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's. It is interesting the thing that I felt different between the Kirkland and the TP5 and again, given I'm in a different situation as a pro and I'm going to change my ball probably at least twice around depending on how I'm playing with it, the Kirkland once in a while to me felt hollow. It felt like hardened hollow with driver. What I also noticed with the Kirkland was I guess I would relate this to feel I didn't feel like I had as much feel with the Kirkland. It didn't feel like it stayed on the face like the TP5 did and so because of that, I didn't know, I hit it dead straight until I looked up. But the Kirkland ball did go very, very straight. It was awesome. I mean straighter than the TP5. I was going to say with driver, I think.
Speaker 2:I came out of one drive, not quite as far, but straighter.
Speaker 1:And for me, I will take distance over accuracy all day of the week when I'm hitting 12 yards. I heard Tiger.
Speaker 2:Woods on a YouTube video a long time ago, say I'll take distance over accuracy any day. He said I would much rather hit 120 yards out of the rough than 190 yards off the fairway.
Speaker 1:Oh, come on, 150 out of the fairway versus 120 out of the rough. You're closer, it's so true. And at that level I mean, unless they're playing in the US Open at Oakmont, like they are this week, where the rough is literally insane. I've been at that golf course at the US Open.
Speaker 2:I want to talk to you about that because that's a crazy course. It is. Like 290 yard, par threes yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, downhill though, but still doesn't matter, you're hit. Some guys are hitting driver, some guys are hitting five woods and three woods and it's just so dumb that's nuts for a par three.
Speaker 1:Well imagine if it gets rainy. You're in Western Pennsylvania, they have thunderstorms, you know, and when we went it was so muddy. So 2010 US Open, bring my junior golf academy. I think Dustin Johnson won it that year. That was one of the best, most memorable experiences outside of the drive trip and putt at Augusta that I've been part of, and I remember we had these five junior golfers. I had them all wear their bright red shirts so they would match, for two reasons One, so I don't lose them in the crowds, and two, it looks so cool when a tour player sees these kids all wearing the same thing with a logo on their shirt.
Speaker 2:They're like oh, who's that?
Speaker 1:So I told them and they were looking for wanting to see Rory, they really wanted to see Rory and he's coming down 18. We're sitting in the bleachers on 18 in the practice round and I just told him. I said, hey guys, we just passed by where the players' cars are. What if we go over there and wait for them? I guarantee they're going to walk by to their car pretty soon. Just knowing what I knew from being out on the tourtee a little bit, just knowing what I knew from being out on the tourtee a little bit. And I left it up to them. I said so you can either see Rory, come on 18, be 100 yards away from him, or we can maybe meet some other guys. So we go over and I'll never forget this.
Speaker 1:But we get right on this alleyway no one's in this walkway and the ropes go up and we're right by where they interview the players, but we can't see it because they're back in the interview area and we got Ricky Fowler walk by. So my thing is I'm looking at the kids. They don't know really what to say. Right, they're 13 and under. And I say, hey, ricky, junior Golf Academy. He's not paying attention, he's ready to go to his car and he stops, looks at him, turns over, talks to him, signs autographs, right, just you know. Probably two, three minutes, no big deal.
Speaker 2:He can't stand the stash, but he looks like he can.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, he didn't have a stash then, but he had the bright orange, so this was early on 2010.
Speaker 1:And it was awesome. So, you know, heads out. And then we got guys coming in from the parking lot and you know they're still like, oh man, I wonder if Rory's going to come out, blah, blah, blah. And I'm just like, yeah, he'll be here eventually. And then, next thing, you know, jason Allred walks through. Jason was somebody that I knew was playing and he's walks through. Jason was somebody that I knew was playing and it's from Ashland, oregon and I know Jason. So I said hey, jason, ashland Oregon. I said I'm from Medford and I didn't say who I was. And he comes over and looks cause I said Oregon stops Second, as he smiles at me, he comes back over guy, spends 10 minutes with the kids, talks him sign stuff, get pictures right, all this stuff right and and it was awesome. So now they're getting into it because they're like, oh, rory, you know we're still excited, but, like now we're seeing tour players getting talked to him.
Speaker 1:Well, jordan speith's, uh, girlfriend walks by and I remember seeing her. So they weren't married at the time yet, and I remember seeing her on tv. So I was like, oh, that's speith's girlfriend walks by and I remember seeing her. So they weren't married at the time yet and I remember seeing her on TV. So I was like, oh, that's Spieth's girlfriend, she had Under Armour everything and walks by and literally 30 seconds later Jordan Spieth comes back and he had his hands full and he's kind of on the phone. But then he kind of gets off at about 10 feet from us and I said, hey, jordan, junior golf Academy.
Speaker 1:And at this point all these adults are getting behind us because they see what's going on, they see that they're stopping for the kids. So Jordan has his hands full with his underarm, where he's got an apple in his hand, hands his apple, hands his shoes to his girlfriend, comes over and talks to the kids. It was so cool and he was the guy at the time. Jordan was moving and shaking in the tour besides Rory and Tiger, and I mean it was insane just how nice he was and the time he spent asking questions. And then finally here comes Rory out of his interview. So I literally was like hey, roryory, junior golf academy. And I said it pretty loud and everybody's like yelling at him. He's ignoring everybody because they're all adults. And then he sees them, he smiles at the kids, he stops, he spends about three minutes with everybody signs everything well. One junior golfer looks at this watch, says oh rory, that's a cool watch, can I have it?
Speaker 2:and he gave it. No, he didn't give it. He doesn't give.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, he could afford it come on, it was great, though it didn't need to be given, but it was so good and you know, takes pictures and dude, the guy is awesome, that's I've met him a couple times, but like um, end of the day, this was one of those dream come trues that we didn't know how it was going to go.
Speaker 1:We're going to the us open. We're just thinking, hey, we're going to walk the course. And walking the golf course at oakmont is no joke, it is a beast. It's beyond a beast. It in that year, with it being wet, was like it had to have been playing like six over par thousand yards.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, it's so long and the rough is so long. I have a video of Angel Cabrera hitting out of rough that is no joke up to my hip height and he advanced at 120 yards and I'm just like I don't. I was literally four or five feet away from his backswing and I'm like there's no chance. But I told the kids I'm like come over here and watch what he does. Took him about 20 seconds longer than he probably would have normally taken just to kind of identify what he wanted to do, advanced it back in the fairway. I'm like that, guys, they make it look so easy. But that was the best shot we saw all tournament guys. It was the best shot we saw all tournament guys. It was the escape shot that you have to learn how to play it was so good.
Speaker 2:So good so coach Ryan's very good at recognizing that.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, when I recruited coach Ryan, it was because of how he escaped it. So we're up at Rose city, which is a golf course that I'm not going to say anything negative about. We'll just say I didn't have a good experience there when I was a junior golfer. I still made Hogan Cup team, but it was one of those where I almost didn't because of that tournament and I remember the coach taking me out and I think I'll never forget it because Ryan's up on the tee and his coach drives me straight to him and Ryan hooks his ball and crazy enough. But we have 50-foot Sequoias in his way and he's got two options I'm going to go for the pin and hit the miracle shot. I'm going to punch out.
Speaker 2:Like, slice it around the tree.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he had a big old high hook. It's a 40-yard short and it wasn't that shot that got me. I was like that's a good play, it's the smart play. You had two choices. It was that he hit it to a foot from 40 yards and it looked easy and he never lost his composure, he never changed his mentality at all and because of that I didn't have to see another hole. I watched him tee off just because. But I left. It's funny.
Speaker 2:He comes up to me in sim league all the time and he goes oh, look at that. I mean not that I'm allowed to say this on the podcast, but he says you're in the shit, you're good.
Speaker 1:That's funny. Yeah, I mean, ultimately we all learn how to do it.
Speaker 2:He knows that when I get into trouble I we all learn how to do it. He knows that when I get into trouble I lose my give a damn attitude and I just hit the golf ball and expect that miracle shot and I get it.
Speaker 1:I mean, if you look at it tonight and when we were doing the ball fitting and you were saying I just need you behind me, I need the pro behind me, it's a focus, fairway me, it's a focus.
Speaker 2:It's a hidden fairway.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a focus, though, right. So ultimately you didn't have anything to worry about because you knew I would tell you if there was something that you needed to do differently. So you swung freer, and this is the first time in the Sims you were ripping it with driver, you were hammering it.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you what, though it took me and, to be completely honest, the Sims are amazing and I don't question their accuracy at all, but what I do question is when somebody who's never played in a Sim before comes in here, you get that claustrophobic feeling like like, especially somebody being six foot three, like I am. I get that feeling like the walls are caving in on me, and it took me several months to get over that.
Speaker 1:I have a doctor you can go see there's a pill for that. You'll be okay. No, you know it's funny, it's called.
Speaker 2:Evan at the bar. Yeah, there you go With another margarita.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can't imagine. I'm 5'7". How tall are you? 6'3", yeah, so it's a different feel altogether, it is. What's unique about it is the software set up so you hit on the right side of the mat for the right-handed golfer, so you have a 16-foot by 25 foot wide bay. And the reason it feels like a cave is because it needs to be dark because of the projection.
Speaker 2:I understand, but what I?
Speaker 1:like is the fact that there's a light that we can turn on so you can see your ball still and you don't have to feel so claustrophobic. I think the biggest thing is once you let it out, you'll be good, and you're not anywhere. It's like hitting under a tree. Am I going to hit that branch? Am I going to hit that branch and you're two feet away from it?
Speaker 2:I'm not questioning that at all. I I'm just saying it took me a few months of being a member here at the golf garage to get over that feeling of being indoors. Sure, and I was talking to one of the women who were one of the ladies who was in your oh.
Speaker 2:Shiloh, yeah, and I was. I was kind of reminiscing with her that it took me a while to get comfortable in the simulator, to swing as freely as I did on did on the course, and now to swing as freely as I did on the course, and now it's the opposite I swing more freely and more confident in the sim.
Speaker 1:We had that when Ryan was on. We were talking about how much freer, so like when Ryan would hit, but it wasn't that way to start.
Speaker 2:It transitioned that's awesome Over time. And now in the sim I hit my eight iron comfortably 165 yards. In the sim On the course it's more like 150, 155.
Speaker 1:So I don't know if you can do this right, but I'm really good at visualizing something without seeing it. So in my mind, I'm over the ball and I'm visualizing hammering five iron into a bay no reason. So it's like a field goal right. My focus is so narrowed because there's no fear of losing a ball, there's no fear of being under a tree.
Speaker 2:I've got to get there. I'm not there yet.
Speaker 1:But that's mastery, right. So your goal is to master that. And then, when you get on the course, it's almost like hey, there's a screen 10 feet in front of me and hammer that thing at the screen and it's going to go where you want it to See.
Speaker 2:In my first six months I was like I shoot a lower score on the course than I do on the sim Period. No question to ask it was legit. It was legit. Now I shoot a better score lower score on the sim than I do on the course. It's awesome and it's because I hit with more confidence in the sim. Yeah, and you know what I've thought about this a lot too, and that's something that I need to overcome Sure, because I want to see that equal result.
Speaker 1:So think about this too. Like golf course has rolling hills, slopes, you know simulator is going to be off a level lie, unless we put something there. But here's the deal If you can't strike the ball, nine out of 10 times solid off a level lie, who cares about the golf course?
Speaker 2:You've got to be able to strike the ball nine out of 10 times solid off a level lie.
Speaker 1:Who cares about the golf course? You've got to be able to hit ball first, so we're putting this opportunity for you to do that Cause the only difference between a level lie and an uneven lie is how you set up to the uneven lie to make it feel level. So if I have the ball above my feet, I'm going to aim more right, and all of a sudden, yes, it feels a little weird, but now I'm stable. So you're trying to find balance off an uneven lie. It's actually really easy.
Speaker 2:And if you can't strike the center of the club, face off a perfectly level, even lie every time, then the course is pointless.
Speaker 1:Well, and the course isn't pointless because you need reps and to feel comfortable in the situation of the golf course and the grass, and all that, right Understood. But at the end of the day, we're trying to get you to make a repeatable motion. That's consistency. What do you do at impact? Can I do the same thing 10 out of 10 times? That's consistency.
Speaker 2:When people say it out of 10 times yeah.
Speaker 1:Come on, when people say I want a consistent golf swing, I'm like, okay, define consistency, Right. So 85%. Well, I don't know, Everyone's different. So that's the hardest part about when I'm teaching and they say something so crazy like I want consistency. Well, what does that mean to you? Cause every player is different. 60%, a hundred, and then it depends on well, they all want the most right, they all want I want to hit it like this. I want to hit it a hundred more yards, I want to not slice ever again. Okay, great, how much time do you have, right? So now it comes down to narrowing it down, and so I'll do one of two things as a coach, and this doesn't happen that often. But if somebody's so gung-ho about it and I don't quite believe that they're going to do what they say they're going to do, I'll say I'll tell you what, I'll make you a deal. And I'll say you tell me this answer first, and if I agree with you, I'll take it. I'll say how much are you willing to pay to get to your goal?
Speaker 1:And then you know, they're kind of like look at me funny and I'll say well, I'll tell you what I mean. Are you willing to pay $5,000 to shoot 10 strokes low? Are you willing to pay 10?
Speaker 2:Are you willing to work your ass off twice a week? So now the accountability is back on them.
Speaker 1:The accountability is back on them and my only job is to keep them accountable. And if they don't do what I say, I'm guaranteed that money. And if they do what I say, they accomplish their goal and I get that money. So it's totally worth it. It's a win-win. So at the end of the day, I will absolutely do that with anybody that steps through the door.
Speaker 1:Can I break 80? Yeah, let's go, you will. You will break 80. It's not, can you? You absolutely will. Your game is good enough to do it. It's that you haven't done it yet and it and it's like looking at it.
Speaker 2:I've shot low 80s in the sim. Yeah, I've shot low mid 80s on the course let's go to Bear Creek Break 80. That's just not fair. That's not fair, let's go to Stewart. It's nine holes.
Speaker 1:So one of the things I look at, though, is break 80 at an easy course and then go to a tough course, and you'll break 80. Get me to break 80 at Eagle Point.
Speaker 2:Is that your goal? What tees Stone Ridge or Eagle Point for the Menzies?
Speaker 1:White tees, so gray tees from Eagle and whites from the Silver's, from Eagle. Yeah, I like it yeah, game on.
Speaker 2:Awesome man. That would be like mid-70s on Centennial from the Whites. Yeah, it's crazy. I mean Centennial's a fun course.
Speaker 1:Get me to 75 on Centennial from the whites. Yeah, it's, it's crazy, I mean.
Speaker 2:Centennial is a fun course. 75 on Centennial from the whites.
Speaker 1:Ooh, you want to be that low.
Speaker 2:There's still some drivable par fours. There's three, three drivable par fours. Man Two two drivable par fours.
Speaker 1:Yeah, true, hey, you want to hear some some cool stuff coming up.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I've talked to a friend of mine with op 36. So op 36 is short for operation 36. We love that model. I've always taught from the green backwards small swings make big swings and this model starts from 25 yards out and one of the main coaches there is going to come on our podcast. He just moved to Virginia so it might be a week or two, and then I'll also talk to the founders of OP36 and get them on as well.
Speaker 1:But that's a really, really cool one that our audience will love to hear. It's a new way of practice. It's a new way to play the game. College players can drop the par from 36 down to 20 for nine holes and make it real tough. And I think that's the cool thing about the game is learn from the green and work back. You'll understand the game better. You'll get the ball on the ground, you'll know what the ground does, you'll know how to read putts, you'll understand grass, you'll understand lies, you'll understand which club to pick right. I think those are the big, big keys. What strategy am I using here? Even from a short distance, you know, and we're going to bring on one of our special guests who actually called in and asked for some tips, and Adam Rutledge, who owns Rutledge Real Estate and he's a builder.
Speaker 2:Rutledge Property Group. Rutledge Property Group Property Management. Right, he's one of my biggest clients. I love that dude.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, you know him well and he's brilliant too, like he's a great person, he's a great business person and he's a good family guy. And I'm excited to have him because I worked with Adam because he was struggling so hard. He just snap, hook everything, everything.
Speaker 2:And I played a tournament with him one day, and he did not even have a driver in his bag, and we were playing a scramble, I'm, I'm like adam, what the heck dude. I said we have to use three of your drives in this tournament and you don't even have a driver.
Speaker 1:He's like no, told me, I couldn't have it yeah, well, when your pitching wedge goes 200 yards, it doesn't matter anyway. So I mean funny, funny thing, there we'll save some stories about Adam. But like that dude hammers the ball. And so today he comes in and he wanted to get fit and it was really fun because we played in the tournament last week and he struggled actually more than I'd seen him in a while because he just hasn't been playing. He's working real hard right now with the real estate game and he texted me the other day. He's like I'm hitting it. Good, I figured it out. I'm like swinging easier Cause I kind of mentioned to him about his tempo being way off and his balance being off and he's like, yeah, I'm in it better. So I come in and sure enough, I'm like, dude, you're turning better than I've ever seen you turn before. Like this is good stuff.
Speaker 1:So I'm testing stuff with him and it was really interesting because the guy can swing so hard at it, he's built, he's strong, right he is I've got a regular flex seven wood that we put in his hands and we grip down on it and I mean he's hitting that seven wood out there, not trying 225, 230. I mean that's like a four, four iron or three iron, like that's hammered and he can hit it 240. So why would I ever change? And I put a stiff flex in his hand and because he comes in so steep at it couldn't get it airborne enough. So this regular flex seven wood is like the gold for him and I'm. It just shows that every player is different.
Speaker 2:You know it's funny because I came in here last week ago, tuesday, and he was in here. He's like dude, darren, grab a. You know, grab your clubs, let's play nine holes. And I'm like I don't have my clubs here, I'm just here to pick up my son. He's like use my clubs. My son was like use my clubs. And I grabbed his driver and it felt like gold to me. It was an old cheap driver, it was an old Cobra clubhead, but you had put on some really nice extra stiff shaft on it.
Speaker 1:I cut it down like three inches.
Speaker 2:Something, whatever it was, you did to it, I don't know, but I'm like dude, I'm in love. This isn't personal, but I need to take some pictures of your driver and just meditate on this a little while.
Speaker 1:You got a picture already in a frame.
Speaker 2:I do, I do and I smacked the crud out of his driver and we were talking about it and he's like no, I'll put this extra stiff shaft on it. And I'm like, dude, whatever it is, that felt good. It did not go quite as far as my m2, as my tailor-made m2, but man did it feel good.
Speaker 2:It was a combination of that stiffer shaft and the bigger grip oh yeah and all of his irons felt that way for me as well, and so that just reinforces the importance of a custom club fitting, because the clubs that I'm playing with currently are just right off the rack store bought. You know clubs and I know, before I get serious with you about breaking 80, it's like I kind of want to be fit for clubs that are meant for me.
Speaker 1:So let's go, because I'm not an average height average build average swing person. So let's finish with this. I've gotten to see you hit more balls today than I have in a while. Number one you've got all the game to break 80. That's, that's not a problem. I'm excited about this challenge because I know you can do it. I wouldn't probably. I would probably tell you straight up if you couldn't right.
Speaker 1:I mean, there's a lot there, because I'm not going to sugarcoat something that somebody doesn't want. I think I can get people to where they want to go, as long as they put the time in and they actually trust what I'm going to say.
Speaker 2:You're a good Single digit hammy. Uh-huh, uh-huh.
Speaker 1:But the hardest part is the head trash. So like we have to dissect where you're thinking in your thought process is and fix that. That takes time, but, more importantly than that, you hit a couple of good golf shots like you did with Adam's driver or something and all of a sudden that confidence level skyrockets and you're there. So here's what I want to do.
Speaker 2:I'm going to finish up today with us and we're going to go through a game plan for you here's what I think, though honestly, just from my perspective and hitting being used to my tailor-made m2 driver with a regular stiff shaft and adam's cobra.
Speaker 1:Wait, did you say a regular stiff shaft?
Speaker 2:well, no, that's just a basic off the counter. You just say a regular stiff shaft.
Speaker 1:Well, no, that's just a basic off-the-counter off-the-shelf stiff shaft.
Speaker 2:My club head goes further. His shaft feels better.
Speaker 1:Don't tell him that.
Speaker 2:No, he'd like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly Love you. Adam, yeah, we do so if we think about game plan for you. We got to get on the golf course. We got to play some golf. We'll throw some videos up, take a few pictures. But that's your, that's our assessment.
Speaker 2:I know your swing road Valley country club this Friday right.
Speaker 1:What do we got? Oh, I'm not, but you are. You're playing with Logan. Okay, yep, yep, we're making the rounds. As much as I want to play, my kids don't know this, yet we're going to Tennessee next week, that's right.
Speaker 1:So we have a family reunion, not bringing my clubs, totally fine. You know, we haven't been on a vacation I can't tell you when without anything, and this, to me, it's not a vacation because I'll still work a little bit and I'm going to see family and there's just a lot of things that'll probably come up that we have to do. There's this family, and I want my kids to meet the extended family, but ultimately we just surprised them and I don't know why I did this, but we are going to Mexico in November, wow.
Speaker 2:This will be our first family vacation?
Speaker 1:I don't know. No, it's outside of Cancun, Between Cancun and there's like another. It's right on the beach. It's supposed to be an awesome.
Speaker 2:On the Gulf.
Speaker 1:Coast Correct.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's supposed to be an awesome gulf coast, um, correct, okay, yeah, it's supposed to be phenomenal and end of the day, for us, that might be outside of my wife and i's honeymoon 14 years ago. This might be the first actual vacation I've taken where I'm gonna turn my phone off for eight days. Good for you and it's with my immediate leaf or immediate family only um and a few friends where we're not just let me know ahead of time, because you and I text on a daily basis.
Speaker 1:It's gonna happen. No, I mean I'll text friends like when I say turn it off, it means anything work related will be off the table. I'm gonna trust the staff, they're ready to go and we're gonna, we're gonna, just you're gonna out.
Speaker 2:You're going to text me pictures of yourself in a thong bikini.
Speaker 1:What's going to probably happen is my feet will be hanging out in the ocean and the pool are going to be right in that picture, and that's all you're going to get, and you can imagine whatever you want. Leave it at that End of the day? Yeah, is that called a walk-off? It's a time, my friend. Hey, that was fun today, darren, it was.
Speaker 2:Good work, man Golf balls are important.
Speaker 1:Taylormade TP5 is the new one I'm playing Versus the TP5X. It just performed better. I'm excited.
Speaker 2:I feel better about using the Kirkland balls on the courses that I know I'm going to lose a lot of golf balls. Not going to lie, You're not going to. Value is good. Value is uh, it's undisputable A hundred percent. I still like the TP five X though.
Speaker 1:You hit it.
Speaker 2:Good man, all right, until next week, take care, have a great night.
