My Golf Source
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My Golf Source
Why Brooks Koepka’s Comeback Could Reshape Pro Golf
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Golf is changing in plain sight, and not just on Sundays. We open with the Tiger-sized expectation that still shapes every headline, then zoom into the real story: how confidence, humility, and decision-making define a champion’s arc. Brooks Koepka’s return from LIV raises tough questions about identity, locker room dynamics, and whether stepping off the pedestal can sharpen or dull your edge. Along the way, we contrast Scotty Scheffler’s unflappable rhythm with the media frenzy around his arrest saga, and celebrate the LPGA as the masterclass in repeatable, efficient movement.
From there, we take you inside the future of everyday golf. Imagine unlocking a bay and seeing your launch monitor, sim software, and personal profile boot seamlessly, with your dispersion charts and carry gapping ready before you finish stretching. That automation frees staff to serve, not troubleshoot. It also supports a better coaching model: short, high-impact instruction, then reps, then micro-adjustments—built around one setup cue and one swing cue at a time. We break down why the brain can’t absorb five fixes at once, how to stage checkpoints that stick, and how fitness support reduces pain signals that derail tempo and aim.
Community is the multiplier. A living network of members, coaches, and local leaders turns a facility into a true third place—where practice becomes social, introductions spark new opportunities, and families make midweek rituals that keep the game fun. Premium gear helps, but culture matters more: service that’s free, welcoming, and focused on progress. As pro golf navigates legacies and leagues, this blend of tech, teaching, and human connection is where the sport grows up. Subscribe for more candid conversations, share this with a golf friend who needs smarter practice, and leave a review to tell us what topic we should tackle next.
Welcome to the My Golf Source Podcast. Welcome back to My Golf Source, I'm Darren.
SPEAKER_00:I'm Noah.
SPEAKER_01:Dude, did you see Brooks Kepka today? No, I miss it. I've been working all day long. Catch me up.
SPEAKER_00:Well, it's interesting. He's like three over par. The waste management and the leaders eight under. What do you think about it?
SPEAKER_01:Oh my gosh, I saw Scotty Scheffler was two over earlier on. I haven't gotten a chance to watch a lot of it. Scotty doesn't mess up.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Well, you know what? Nobody is uh perfect except God. So, you know. Indeed. There we are. But uh no, I I'm interested. Just you look at PGA professionals that are put on a pedestal, and we could name quite a few of them, right? Jack Nicholas, Arnold Palmer, Ben Hogan, Tiger Woods, right? So there's a few of those elite that are like, man, who's better than that? And you can never say this person's better than the other because they weren't really playing each other in their prime. So it would have been really cool with the equipment they were playing with. But now all of a sudden you have this new breed, right? And you've got like a Ricky Fowler, a Rory McElroy, Jordan Spieth, right? Uh Bryson DChambeau, Brooks Kepka, all of a sudden, all these major winners, Scotty Scheffler. Yeah. And the media and the people want them to be like Tiger Woods because that's what we're used to in our lifetime. He set the bar. He's set the bar so high. Correct. And so everyone's like, oh man, he's gonna beat the record here. He's gonna beat the record there. And then you get this young kid that uh he ties Tiger with, you know, whatever age he wins is first, or he beat Tiger there. So he's the next Tiger Woods. There's no such thing as the next Tiger Woods because there's only one Tiger. And I think what's unique about this whole situation is what's gonna happen with Brooks now that he comes back to the PGA Tour. He was the golden child of the Live Tour, besides Bryson and Phil, right? Those are like the big three names that you'd say everyone moved over because of this.
SPEAKER_01:Brooks is coming back. Bryson is in a contract disagreement, and I I'm betting my money he's coming back to the PGA tour.
SPEAKER_00:Didn't Patrick Reed also Patrick Reed came back to the PGA tour? So you've got these big names coming back to the tour, which is awesome for golf in general. And you know, I had this conversation with a student earlier today and kind of brought it up. And I'm like, you know what? I just don't really care if they were in Live or they weren't as a spectator. I love seeing them playing together. So it's always more fun when Liv was playing in a major, right? So those players could play at the Masters or US Open if they qualified or however the points worked. But it'll be unique to see because we know that the purest form is the PGA tour, and someone that's competing with them is not the worst thing in the world. It's just it's just unfortunate that they couldn't get along to begin with to allow them to play against each other a little more head to head. Right.
SPEAKER_01:No, I agree with you 100%.
SPEAKER_00:So I guess going back to this whole thing with Brooks, I'd be curious to see because he's an amazing athlete, amazing golfer, he's excited. He gave up 50 million plus dollars or whatever that number was. Does that get him off his pedestal a little bit and humble him enough to lose a competitive edge for a while?
SPEAKER_01:Let's be clear about this. He gave up money, obviously, because Liv was paying him an ungodly amount of money, but he also had to pay all these fines to get back onto the PGA tour to basically be welcomed back, right?
SPEAKER_00:Mm-hmm. Yeah, and I I don't know all the fine print, but ultimately what I'm looking at is from a mentality. If you're the best golfer in the world in your own mind, that's what you need, right? Right. There's a sense of um, I hate the word arrogance and cockiness, but you have to feel like you're untouchable to win against the best players in the world. There's no doubt, right? Right. And if all of a sudden you get knocked down a peg because you said, you know what, okay, yeah, I'm sorry. I want to come back, just like with Tiger Woods, the you know, infidelity and some things where he's no longer the golf, you know, golden child, you know, he struggled for a while. Not just injury, but just mentally. What's that do until you can get yourself back? Which Tiger arguably is the best mental player ever. Right. People would lose tournaments to Tiger. Most of the time, they would come back after round two or three when they had the lead, and then he'd come back and win. And he loved it. That's the position he liked to be in. He didn't care.
SPEAKER_01:No.
SPEAKER_00:He knew he was gonna go win. He probably knew on Sunday that all right, I'm seven back, that's fine. You know, I got this.
SPEAKER_01:I think he knew I think he knew by the turn on the first round.
SPEAKER_00:He's like, I got this. Feeling good this week. Yeah. And yeah, it is funny when you look back at you know, competition when it's a multi-day event, and I've had events that I've won where it is just like what you said. You're making the turn around one, you don't think anything more of it, and say, I'm feeling good. You go back, you win the tournament, and then you know, a couple months go by and you're like, huh. I think I thought I was gonna win that tournament day one, which is super odd because you don't want to stay out of the present. So interestingly enough.
SPEAKER_01:Um, what else was it? There's something else I was gonna mention about the rook scapegoat. Oh no, it's funny. I was just talking to a buddy of mine literally before we started this podcast, and he makes fun of me for liking golf. And I'm like, dude, you don't get it anymore. He's like, ah, golf is for sissies, you know. He's still on that kind of high school football player mentality, right? And I'm like, what about tiger? Don't you think tiger is cool? And he's all okay, okay, he kind of got me on that one. And he and he and I'm all what about Bryson DeCambeau? He's just an animal. He's probably the he's a beast. Can you imagine if he played football? Yeah, and he's all, oh yeah. That guy, that guy's actually pretty cool. And then he's all but it's all man, I want to see cute girls. I'm like, have you ever seen Nellie Corner? Come on. Have you ever watched an LPGA round? Right. And he's all okay, maybe I'll give golf a shot next time I come see you in order.
SPEAKER_00:Yes. Look at that, advocating for the sport, doesn't matter. Yeah, it is it is funny. Like, if you switch gears to LPGA, and I've always wondered this too, because ultimately I've always just loved watching PGA tour golf. But as a junior golfer, I did get into the LPGA tour a little bit because Annika Sorensdam and Kari Webb were like badasses. And Annika Sorenstamp shooting 59, and then they would put her in a male event and she'd make the cut, and you're like, dude, this girl can ball. And there was something about her that was just great. She was out driving some of the guys. Right. You know, so it's interesting. And and again, yes, the men's driving distance is way farther. The ladies hit it so much better. I was just gonna say the if you want accuracy.
SPEAKER_01:If you want to watch if you want to watch golf being played in miraculously, what watch the PGA tour. If you want to watch golf being played perfectly, watch the LPGA tour.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, there's something about it, and it's not so much about how many under par they are. It's just like their swing, it's consistent and it's perfect. It's so smooth. It's just silky. It's like pouring milk and you didn't spill it and you're on the table, right? It's it's it's kind of like watching um Shuffler. Oh yeah. Yeah, Scotty doesn't care. No, he doesn't care. Yeah, he's he's so good.
SPEAKER_01:He's dead smooth. He doesn't he doesn't do anything fantastic, but he doesn't make any mistakes. Just love Scotty's attitude.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. But does he care? I mean, ultimately he's probably not happy and he's competitive, but he's got his life figured out. It's so crazy to me that Scotty went to jail in in the and the tournament, luckily got held up.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, just like three years ago.
SPEAKER_00:But it was like so weird that he almost was like the media was like, he's gonna go to federal prison and like all these things are gonna happen. You're like, they just waited for him to be able to play.
SPEAKER_01:Well, you know, he he he pulled the don't you know who I am card? Uh-huh. That's not a good thing to do with police. No, that's not a good thing to do. But what else was he going to do? He had to get through the security checkpoint to get to the tournament.
SPEAKER_00:And ultimately it was weird because you read more of the story and it was like it was an odd way of how they were doing the checkpoint. Right. And usually the the players just drive through and wave, but I think the weather was bad and there were some weird things there because it was delayed, and it was like all of a sudden there's lights on me, and he thought they were escorting me in, you know, and then it was like, hey, I'm not pulling over, I'm a player, so this guy's going to do something else. So yeah, it is odd when you get on like a private property and all of a sudden now you're an unfortunate chain of events and miscommunication.
SPEAKER_01:100%. 100%. So anyway.
SPEAKER_00:So what's going on with golf garage? Dude, golf garages, it's about to explode in the best way possible for our members. You're a member of Golf Garage. Um, I'd love to share it with everyone at this point. I think we're at a place. So a couple things that were unique at the PGA show. Um, I was able to build some amazing relationships while I was there. I had no thought as to how this was gonna play out, but I was able to sit in front of Foresight Sports, which creates the number one launch monitor in the world.
SPEAKER_01:And they invited you down to their headquarters.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So next month during the National Fitting Council for Tailor-Made Golf, I'll be down there. I'm gonna get fit at the kingdom. Um, I'm gonna be part of the most elite fitters in the world with Tailormade. There's 50 of us that go down there and we learn about all the new product. We educate them on what we're seeing in the marketplace, and we get to see all the new stuff coming out that we can't talk about. And then we get to try to help tweak what's gonna come out at some level. It's like you feel like you're like an RD. I've seen you walking around here with those unmarked prototypes. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's pretty. What is that called? You're like, I don't even know. I'm like, this one I don't know. That one I can't say, and then a year later, when it comes out, they're like, oh, that was just the five of them. We marked them up one through five. I'm like, would have been great to know. I get it. So um in that time down there, I'm going to, I don't know if people know this, but Carlsbad is literally the mecca of all of the manufacturers. Um, there's a few that are on the East Coast, which would be like Tidalist, right? They're they're in Massachusetts. Then you look at Atlanta, that's Mizuno. There's a few in that area, but Carlsbed, California has the big ones. Um Callaway. Yeah. Callaway, Cobra, Tailormade. Um Huntington Beach has Cleveland, which is like Strixon Cleveland Golf.
SPEAKER_01:Aren't they part of the under the umbrella of Tidalist?
SPEAKER_00:No, no. Strixon, which is actually a Japanese company that also owns a tire company. So they're more, I believe they're a tire company. Scotty Cameron that was under the uh Yeah, and so Scotty Cameron's its own and it's also there in Huntington Beach, Carlsbad area. Going blank which city it's actually in. I think it's Carlsbad. You know, uh, but but in short, um, four sites down there and some other technology companies too that are golf specific. So they've invited me to come down for a full tour, and I'm looking forward to seeing how um the quadroscopic technology is created. Um also what I'm more importantly looking forward to is how there might be an integration coming for our facility and what that's gonna look like with our scheduling system, our point of sale system, and for the user and the member. Something that's customized solely to golf. Yeah. So what's unique about this is when you the goal with this is it's fully automated. So automation is the key. And so right now we are 90% automated at Golf Garage to where you can come in and click a button on a tablet and it starts everything up, and then you pick and choose your software and go. We're getting to the point now where we're gonna have the software options as a push button, and then it takes you there, and then you have your user profile and you go. So it's a lot easier. And what'll happen is you book your starting time on the sheet online, and then what'll happen when you key fob in, your bay will automatically turn on for you when you key fob in. Amazing. And so you walk in and your bay's already on, ready for you to put your okay. I'm gonna use GS Pro, I'm gonna use Foresight, I'm gonna play, right? And then you type in your username and password, and now it'll also keep your stats for you and everything you need, and then you pick everything like you normally would, but there's really only two options instead of I've got to click into three buttons, I've got to set the parameters, and and again, those are great.
SPEAKER_01:And the whole thing takes, you know, five, six minutes.
SPEAKER_00:I would say, I mean, look, if somebody knows what they're doing at golf garage, from the time you key fob in, if you have a reservation, you can get the computer up and running from the time you get to the door to hitting a ball in five minutes. Yeah, it's really fast. It's just the idea of like if you were there and all you had to do was sign in and then you're stretching and you're hitting balls within like two minutes. And how is this cool?
SPEAKER_01:And how cool is that gonna be for the general public who's paying hourly rates to come in and use this technology to be able to come in and not have to be that burden on the staff to have them so involved in getting everything programmed and set up for them because they don't know how.
SPEAKER_00:Well, let's change the word burden to service, right? Because now you have a fully functioning automated system that the staff can now just come out and talk to you. How's your experience? Can I get you something? Uh, if they want to talk, they can. They don't have to be rushed back because they have to get the next base set up.
SPEAKER_01:Or instead of saying what's your name, let me type that in. What course do you want to play? Let me find that course, let me download that course. They can be walking up saying, Here's your picture of beer, sir. Right on.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, no, and I mean, on top of that, what's cool is when we build more of these, all of a sudden it allows you to also be a user at the other ones. So you're just you're you're fobbed in, dude. You're like networked into this whole golf garage community, which is so exciting that it's been my Achilles heel because nobody's doing it. And so now that I'm trying to get these communications between the right people, I don't have to build my own software anymore. That would have taken two years. It would have been a pain. And it's like there's one other company I'm really excited about that if we can get them all talking, this is gonna be I don't know. I don't want to say monopoly is a good word, but they're literally gonna be the front runner in in any way, shape, or form for indoor and outdoor golf if they can collaborate.
SPEAKER_01:Not monopoly, it's industry dominant.
SPEAKER_00:There you go. We'll call it's an oligopoly. That way the that way the Senate's okay and you know the house is fine and everybody's happy. Oligarchy or oligopoly is what I said. Okay, there we go. That one. Yeah. Don't get the two confused. No, I know, yeah, those are bad.
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SPEAKER_00:So anyway, so that's that's a unique thing that's gonna make um our experience great. We're also going to be bringing in the most premium brands of apparel in Southern Oregon, and no one else is is doing this. So Sunday Red, which is Tailormate's company that Tiger Woods brand, we're bringing that in. Nice. You're welcome. Grayson, which is an awesome company, up and coming company.
SPEAKER_01:And you know how my son feels about the color red and tailor made.
SPEAKER_00:So yeah, yep, yep. Your son's all in, and the 4D driver is second to none at this point. You know, and and and again, like all of these things are great, but you can't do it without an elite staff. Right. And so right now I'm really excited, and we'll have to get Ryan back on the show. But our director of instruction right now, um, we've been talking about a model for like, I don't know, four years probably, to where it's more of an a model that's um group coaching in a way that is competitive practice, but it's come in when you want to. Here's my office hour time, and I can work with six people, eight people at once. And it's how we do most of our player development with our juniors already, and now we're creating it in an adult fashion, and it's something he's been passionate about for a long time, and and we're hitting the go button this week. I like the sounds of that. It's it's really good. And so what's awesome about it is you could be working on bunker while another person is working on putting and another person is hitting driver, and you can make your rounds as a coach because what happens in instruction, if I have a one-on-one lesson, we've eliminated the one-hour lesson. That model has been broken forever. It makes no sense.
SPEAKER_01:No, because more than about 15 minutes of one-on-one information and content to you, it's going to be brain overload.
SPEAKER_00:The first five minutes, you know, it's talking to the person about their week. And what have you learned? What can I learn about you? How's the body holding up? Like you're just really building the relationship more and figuring out, okay, what's the one or two things? Then you're getting into, okay, this is where you were. This is what I see now. Great job. Or you're still doing the same thing. We got to find a reason or a why behind that same thing. And you're literally giving them two minutes to three minutes of formal coaching of something new. The brain can really only build a new neuropathway if they keep practicing the same thing over and over, even if you have to give them a different message to get that neuropathway.
SPEAKER_01:So let's talk about a standard golf swing. Everybody's gonna have different checkpoints, right? In their golf swing. But everybody is gonna have at minimum three or four.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, checkpoints? Yeah. Well, that's the problem, is it's more than that. The problem with the average amateur, the average amateur comes to me and starts talking about their problem and then tells me about five other problems they have that has nothing to do with their original problem. They immediately tangent because they don't know what their real problem is.
SPEAKER_01:But if a coach identifies checkpoints for somebody and says, this is what you have to look for at this point in your stance, this is where your club, your hands, your feet, your head, your you know, your eyes need to be at this point change out. I don't think as a student, I can comprehend and work on more than about two of those at one time.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, you're you're right. So that's not even two of those, it's one of those at one time. And so what you look at is you look at something stagnant, okay, setup. In the setup, which is not a swing, right? You can probably give one to two feedback points. So I want you to pay attention to your right thumb on your grip, for example. We'll just leave it at that. We're not gonna say position. Okay, I want you to pay attention to your neck in your posture. So we just call it posture, right? And then this is what you have to do, and there's a video to show you. Step one, step two, done. Now you got to treat that and tell your brain that that's a checklist. Okay. Check one, I will no longer think about my thumb. And then check two, I will no longer think about my grip. Now hit the ball. Practice that until it's comfortable before you add the third and the fourth one on. Right. And so then what your goal is is you're trying to wean your way away from number one in order to go to number three. Right. And number three becomes number two, and that would be setup. And then when you're swinging, you're allowed to have one. Right? So if I have one, I'm still never gonna hit it as good if I have none. Right? So, like when you're playing in competitive golf, there are none. Yeah, you might try to get better. It's all second nature, it's just muscle memory and you have to play with the horse you rode in on, right? And so if you're playing competitive golf, you're challenging yourself mentally that day to allow yourself to hit the ball with whatever you brought to the party instead of okay, coach needs me to go to P1 to then okay, feel that.
SPEAKER_01:So again, I took my minivan to this tournament and my coach is saying, Where's your Ferrari? You need it today.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, that's what we need. Man, I mean, it's it's a crazy game, and if we can figure out the mindset and strategy behind it, we're gonna be better. Amen. Right? So going back to this new offering of golf garage, and again, Ryan's gonna focus primarily on this. What's cool about it is that it allows a supervised practice method with still the opportunity to modify some mechanics as needed, but they're in shorter jolts to where, hey, it's an academy feel, even though we're not calling it that. It allows me to critique your grip. Now go hit for 20 minutes with that, I'll be back to check on you. And then you check on the other four or five people. Let me demonstrate something. Now I want you to do that. You're going to get better because you're not set in your ways of practicing. If you have two hours with a coach, right, and you can do that two days a week and it works with your schedule, you're gonna get better.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:And you can have a three month, a six month, a nine month, a twelve month, right? Whatever, a program, right? You decide what's gonna work for not only your bank account, But based on your goal, it'll be a collaboration between the coach and you. And what's really cool about Golf Garage and the way it's set up now with our business, if Ryan gets too busy with this, he'll just bring another coach in to help. Right.
SPEAKER_01:And that's what we're gonna already on staff.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, the coaches are phenomenal. So not only will if Ryan's like, hey, this guy definitely just looks like he needs a little bit of a fitness session or something, hey Matt, come on over. We need you for a second. Awesome. Let me check it out. Yep, come on over in here. Let me help you out in the gym for a second. Done. Now that guy got better. And that's what the PGA tour has every single day. Hey, trainer, my shoulder hurts. Okay, cool. Let me give you a back massage. Okay, let's do this mobility. Okay, hey, when you go on the course, this is what I need you to do. If it happens and you feel a, you know, one to ten, you feel a four. Go out there and start doing these stretches and see if you can work it out on your own. Because nobody wants to be injured. If you feel injury, it sends a signal to your brain that says, ouch, and then you can't swing at a hundred percent. I don't care who you are.
SPEAKER_01:No.
SPEAKER_00:I don't care if you're the Hulk because you're not gonna be able to do it.
SPEAKER_01:That pain is on your mind, and you can't afford to have that pain on your mind to do a full swing.
SPEAKER_00:And if the pain's on your mind instead of where you want the ball to go, you're waiting until you feel the pain. And what if you don't feel the pain? Then you anticipated pain that wasn't there, and then your tempo changes and the ball's gonna go bad anyway.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:So unfortunately, it's mind over matter in that sense. But if we can give the tools to be successful for someone that is having pain or understanding, we've created a roadmap. And guess what? Having a map is powerful, it tells you where to go. And that's what we're doing at Golf Garage now. So not only with Ryan's program, but every program we have.
SPEAKER_01:So Golf Garage is a member, I'm gonna speak from the fact that it's affordable, it's less money than any, you know, country club or municipal course membership. Um secondly, let's talk about the social component for a minute. What's great about Golf Garage is every day that I walk in here, I see county commissioners, I see chief of police, I see county sheriff, I see airline pilots, I see electricians, I see every type of business owner or community leader that there is, and the networking value that a organization like this brings is I think underappreciated.
SPEAKER_00:I appreciate you saying that. Um I never think about appreciation as you know the creator of Golf Garage. I think of it as my whole goal is to build a networking opportunity. And when I say networking, all I'm saying is I want relationships to form here, and I want relationships to be everlasting here. Right. And so there are so many different personality traits. Forever to be made. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And so, like going back into it, like there's so many different personality traits. We can never be perfect, it'll never work for every single person because there will be clashes. It's just nature, right? We're people, we are. But what I love about what you just said is my I don't want to say it yet, but I'll I'll give a little feedback. We're creating a loyalty program right now for our members that is second to none of anything I've ever seen. And nobody's doing anything near this. Now, you have credit card loyalty programs, right? Like, hey, MX Platinum, I can go sit in a lounge, I can go do this, I can do that. But you got to pay a big fee for that for one card, 700 bucks a month or 800 bucks a month and or a year, I'm sorry. But still, that seems like a lot for a standard person to just say, Oh, I'll do that. But like with us, if we can help a business owner create one partnership a year, that could be hundreds of thousands of dollars to their business, depending on who that person knows. Right. Right. Because the networking doesn't stop with one person meeting the other. It's your network to that one person, if you ask for help, is their network. And so we don't really talk about networking in that manner, but it's this huge umbrella, and you're like a few steps away from one person. And, you know, going into staff training today, we were training our front of the house staff, and I told them that they're literally the MVPs. Like, you have the ability to make or break everyone's day at hello and goodbye.
SPEAKER_01:Indeed, they do.
SPEAKER_00:They could have had the worst day ever when they entered and the best day when they left. They could have had the worst day in here and the best day when they left, depending on how they left. Right. And I think like when we're looking at all this stuff, I even I talked to them about that. I said, Do you guys realize that you have the unique opportunity to come to work every day and work at the best indoor golf training facility in the world, in the world? I agree. Like, I'll say that now because now that I've been to the PGA show, I know we are.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I see ads all the time because I'm a member here and because I I kind of research things, I see ads all the time for franchises for things that allude to be similar to this, and they're not. They're an indoor version of top golf.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I mean, and they're all gonna fail at some point because they don't have the secret sauce and they don't understand how to run it. And at the end of the day, like I don't mean fail in the way that their business might not be successful, but they're not growing golf. They're not growing golf to the level that they could grow golf.
SPEAKER_01:They're growing bar sales. Yeah, I mean not that there's anything wrong with that.
SPEAKER_00:No, but it's it's not going to help their business as much, and the turnover is going to change, and we need to keep golfers in the game. And it's not gonna keep golfers in the game. That's why I mean it's not growing golf. Right. If you just keep going to that event, you kind of get stagnant and eventually you get bored with it. One golfers bringing their kids into the game. Mm-hmm. Yep.
SPEAKER_01:We have to build relationships. Right. That's the number one thing. And and on the golf course, I mean, we've all gone out. I've gone out into the golf course, I I can't tell you how many times, and talked about a business deal, made a business deal on the golf course. That's great.
SPEAKER_00:How much time did it take you? And I mean, I mean, yeah, from uh four hours, right? I mean, as opposed to building it here where you could build it.
SPEAKER_01:Here, when you're on the golf course, you're not visiting with that group in front of you, and you're not visiting with the group behind you. You only have access to the people who are golfing with you.
SPEAKER_00:You know what's crazy about a business deal?
SPEAKER_01:Here, yeah, the fact that you can walk in here. Oh, I'm just gonna hit some golf balls and practice. Oh, look, there's the CEO of the Medford Chamber of Commerce. I need to pick his brain about something real quick.
SPEAKER_00:I meant to talk to him, right? And he'll be open to talking to you.
SPEAKER_01:Right, where you can't do that out on the real golf course.
SPEAKER_00:No. And and it's so unique when you're having a true um meeting with somebody here. It's so funny because you're sitting at the bar and then, like you, it's the same thing. Three or four people pass by and say, Hey, Darren, how's it going? Like, that's a cool thing for that person sitting with you. You'd be like, Whoa, who is that?
SPEAKER_01:Oh, that's the owner of the bringing bringing the 80s Cheers era back. I thought about modern days everybody knows your name for sure. Everybody knows your name when you walk in here.
SPEAKER_00:Well, and that's our goal. I mean, I think that you know I'll say it again. And I was telling the staff this also in our meeting: service is free. And I told them, like, we're gonna put that on the back of all of our shirts. Service is free. And and that's the dream team, right? You can make anybody's day smile at them, ask them how they're doing, how is your game today? It doesn't matter. That doesn't cost you anything. And if you truly come to work passionate and you're enjoying what you do every single day, then it doesn't even feel like work. Right. I mean, we have to work to make money, that's just how it is. But at the end of the day, if you can just be like, oh my gosh, what's gonna happen at golf garage today? Uh, I might meet this CEO. And you know, again, not that you're putting that in in your mind, but just like, you don't know. Somebody might be like, Hey, you want to fly private? Hey, come on my yacht. Hey, and again, that's not that's like top tier. What if you met somebody who said, Hey, let's go play golf? And you did that, and you just built a really genuine relationship with someone that doesn't own a jet, that doesn't own a yacht, but you're like, dude, this is a really good friend that I can console in. That's a huge opportunity for an employee, and it's a huge opportunity for members.
SPEAKER_01:My my six-year-old, I she wants a daddy-daughter date on Wednesday night. So when my other three kids are out doing a church activity, where does she want to go? Golf garage. Why? Because she just wants to get out of the house, she wants to go somewhere that she knows makes me happy, right? Oh, yeah. And she wants to come down here and have the bartender make her Shirley Temple. And she met her new best friend down here. Who's that? Kennedy. You remember Tyler, he's an electrician, he's a lineman. Yeah, him and I have nothing in common career-wise, but we found a lot of other things we have in common, hobby-wise. And now our daughters are like, let's go to the golf garage. I want to see Kennedy. I want to see, I want to see Maddie, you know? Oh, that's so cool. And so now it's kind of a Wednesday night thing. That's what we do.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, dude, that's amazing. And I mean, I appreciate you sharing that. And you know what I love too about golf garage is we're always trying to get better. And I love our membership because they're so eager to sit down and talk with me and just tell me the things that they're interested in doing. And guess what? We're gonna start this year. What? Group travel. I love it. We're going to play some courses. I've got I've got a list. Um it's one of the trips. It's uh it could be this year, but it'll probably be next year or the year after. Only because there's so many good courses out there that we want to share things other than that. And then you lead into that.
SPEAKER_01:Right. It's good. You should plan trips to play courses and places you want to put a golf garage.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, I may or may not be thinking that way already, but I know you I know you better than you think. Unfortunately, yeah, unfortunately, the mind never stops.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Wow. Okay. Inside joke there.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, unfortunately. Well, hey, man, thanks. Good show today. And uh, I know we got Janine Murphy coming back on the show, national LPGA Teacher of the Year, I believe, next week. Jake Krugel from Ohio is a uh he manages uh an indoor golf facility there, and his uh brother-in-law has an amazing grip company that we'll talk about here in a couple weeks, too. And one day we gotta get Jermaine Kirst back on the show. Jermaine back on the show, Coach Ryan, DC. Evergreen golf club. Yes. Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_01:All right. Until next week. Peace.
