Not So Civil Student Loans and Federal Disaster Relief | 04.30.25

In Episode 16 of the 'Civil Union' podcast, hosts Alex and Ryan discuss their recent outings and tackle pressing political issues. They recount their exciting night at the Alyssa Edwards drag show and a thrilling St. Louis Blues playoff game, adding humorous and candid anecdotes about their adventures. The episode shifts to a serious tone as they delve into the contentious topic of student loan defaults, criticizing recent Trump administration policies, and the implications on the economy. They further explore the political landscape with a game comparing quotes from RuPaul's Drag Race and GOP members, highlighting the absurdity and drama in politics. Additional segments touch on Earth Day, environmental policies, a biotech company's gene editing feat, and a viral video of synchronized-speaking twins. The episode closes with a reminder of their social media plugs and listener engagement.

00:00 Introduction to Civil Union Podcast
00:47 Alyssa Edwards Show Recap
03:50 Unexpected Dive Bar Adventure
07:10 Student Loan Crisis Discussion
13:55 Federal Disaster Assistance Debate
17:59 Game Time: RPDR or GOP?
23:25 Michelle Fiori's Controversial Actions
26:12 Earth Day and Environmental Challenges
29:53 Trump's 2028 Campaign and Dire Wolves
31:53 Synchronized Twins and Episode Conclusion

Music: What's The Angle? by Shane Ivers -

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Transcript

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welcome to Civil Union, the podcast where politics meets partnership. We're Alex and Ryan, a married couple, navigating life and debates in a conservative state. We bring you sharp insights, bold opinions, and honest conversations about the political issues shaping our lives, especially those living on society's margins. Tune in for a real talk, a touch of humor, and plenty of passion because when it comes to politics, every voice matters. And we are here to make sure they're here. Heard. I'll get it right one day, I promise. Uh, well, we're here, we're back. Welcome everyone. Give us a follow on Instagram or TikTok if you haven't already. So, uh, what have we been up to? Well. Last week we hit up the Alyssa Edwards show at the pageant last Thursday night. It was, and oh my God, if you don't know who she is, you seriously need to, she's a drag queen who blew up on RuPaul's Drag Race. Was a total fan, Faye for a few seasons, and even had her own Netflix show. She's really a legend from that show. The concert standup was such a vibe. It was basically like an ultra extravagant drag show. They even had an intermission featuring local queen maxi glamor. Fun fact, I went to high school with Maxi ages ago, so seeing her perform was such a throwback. Yeah. I love Alyssa Edwards. She's one of the OGs of that whole series. The series is like what? Like 18 seasons now, or 25, whatever, even if you include the All Star Seasons. And Alyssa Edwards was on like I believe season. Four. Five. Five. And um, she is from Mesquite, Texas, which is like a small little town, kind of outside Dallas area I would assume. And she has like a dance company there and she teaches little kids to dance. She had, that's what her Netflix show was about, but she is one of the. Better drag queens. And she's memorable and she looks great. And I think her and Shangela, who is another drag queen, are kind of both from the same area and Shangela is also really well, really good. Um, so it was a lot of fun and you know. It reminded me a lot of, like the Remy Wolf concert. It was a lot of younger people, a lot of just, you know, liberals and it was a, it was a really good time. She did a good job. Yeah, it was so good. So during the show I had to potty and guess what, I almost wandered into the ladies' room. Can you hear the gas from Republicans? Alex, I'm surprised I didn't hear the gas but just before I stepped in, I saw women on the sign and thought, nah, better not. I ended up using the men's instead. Anyway, while Alyssa was slaying the stage, the St. Louis Blues playoff game was happening too. I was sitting next to Alex surrounded by a bunch of cute guys and kept checking my phone for the score, trying to channel my inner sportsy gay. You know, I literally remember looking over and I was like, what the fuck is he doing on his phone? And he, you're on your phone looking at. Points. Like the what? The what? The, the score. Score. What? I can't even, I don't even know what it's called. The score of the game on your phone. I'm like, oh my God, who are you right now? So by the end of the show, the blues were crushing it three to zero. In the second period, we left the venue and I actually snagged a pick of Andy Cohen's star on the St. Louis Walk of Fame. I might start doing this every time we're down there and keep tagging him continuously. Got to let him know Star is still shining bright on the streets of St. Louis. The. Brilliant idea. He even saw the story. He did. There are so many celebs on the walk of fame though, Tina Turner, John Ham, Ray Charles, and even Maxine Waters, who I had no idea was from St. Louis. Anyway, since I was feeling sporty and even though it was a school night, we swung by our favorite dive bar to catch the rest of the game, and we get there. The bar was packed. The blues were on fire. As usual, since it was a school night, I had to think about getting home to shower, eat something quick, and go to bed before a busy Friday that I had in store. But guess what? A regular came in with three massive trays of Italian food from an event he had attended. It was from a spot called Sugo, S-U-G-O-S. And not even from the hill where we usually hit up Italian places, but wow, that food was next level. We have to plan a date night there. Oh my God. I remember being at the concert for Alyssa Edwards and I was like, I'm so hungry. I'm so hungry. And then we were gonna go home and I was like, okay, we're going home. I'm gonna eat. And then you had this idea to go to the barn. I was like, I would never turn down an idea to go and see the Blues. It was, I agree. It was a great time, but the whole time I was like. Oh my God, I'm so hungry. I went to seven 11 next door and got snacks. Remember I got like, I tried being healthy and I got like healthier snacks and then this guy came in with those trays of pasta and every, I was like, this is God telling me he loves me. It was so amazing. Yeah. So good. We have to go there. Well, in the end, the Blues one, seven to two, it was a. Fabulous game. It was so cool. I don't usually watch hockey, but it was an absolute blast. So we get home, we even switched our new LED patio Lights to blue to show, you know, team spirit then I immediately crashed. I went right to bed and only got about four and a half hours of sleep. You know why? Because I heard this like. Really loud frog type noise in the bedroom. It was 3 47 in the morning. Automatically, I thought one of the dogs were sick, so I turned on my phone and there was Cochise. The border Collie all confused because he heard it too. Then our golden retriever, Shelby started wagging her tail'cause she saw someone was up, grabbed her teddy bear and jumped in bed. In between us. I tried to go back to sleep, but you'd think my husband would notice all this commotion going on. He will sleep through everything, even tornado sirens. I do. I'm a heavy sleeper and I absolutely love it. It works well when you work nights and you sleep during the day. Yeah, so I tried to go back to sleep, but then Shelby jumped up. Yeah, and she was the one that made that long, loud frog noise. I heard it again. I immediately jolted up to let the dogs out. I have no idea if she actually got sick or what, but then it started to storm. I let them back in. But by then it was four 50 in the morning, too late to snooze, too early to be productive, and that's how my night wrapped up after the Alyssa Edwards show. Great evening though. It was so much fun. How was, did you love everything about it? Oh, it was a great night and that we don't, we don't typically do that. We would have gone home and been in bed by 10, you know what I mean? Like we do that with the Blues. Us winning was fun. Like everything was great. I feel bad that you had to deal with the Frog of Shelby, but I don't know what happened there. She's fine now. We have no clue why she did that. No clue that she hasn't done it since. So she acted like nothing was wrong with her the next morning either. So I have, I have no clue. Yeah, so our, our wonderful government says that student loans and default will be referred to debt collection. Here is White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt speaking on the matter. In other news, the Trump administration has announced we will put an end to Joe Biden's illegal student BA loan. Bailout attempts, no student loan has been referred to collections since March of 2020. That comes to an end. On May 5th, the Department of Education will resume involuntary collections for borrowers with defaulted federal student loans. The student loan portfolio controlled by the federal government is nearly$1.6 trillion, but fewer than four out of 10 borrowers are in repayment. This is Unsu unsustainable, unfair, and a huge liability for American taxpayers. Debt cannot be wiped away. It just ends up getting transferred to others. So why should Americans who didn't go to college or went to college and responsibly paid back their loans, pay for the student loans of other Americans? Currently, 5.3 million borrowers are in default on their federal student loans. WWE billionaire Linda McMahan, who is apparently qualified to run the current destruction of the Department of Education, ordered that on May 5th, they will begin involuntary collection through the Treasury Department's offset program, which withholds government payments including tax refunds. Federal salaries and other benefits from people with past due debts to the government. After a 30 day notice, the department will start garnishing wages for loaning and default. Like, what the fuck? That is insane. I. Millions of people relied on these loans to help pay for college because without a degree it is very, very hard to sustain a good paying job. Without a good paying job, you just can't make it out there. It's cruel, a unnecessary, and will further fan the flames of economic chaos for working families across this country. Yet let's not tax the rich and give billion dollar corporations tax breaks. Oh, let's also increase tariffs to raise costs on hardworking Americans across the country. This is just a recipe for disaster. I agree. I find it very insensitive to try to pull the rug out from under a huge segment of the population at a time when there is a real threat of a recession, what do they think this will do? This will further weaken the economy and further point us toward that exact. Outcome. when we talk about student loan defaults, we have to start with the truth. There are real systemic reasons why there are so many people struggling. First, no one chooses to default In today's economy, many Americans are forced to choose between paying off debt or putting food on the table. College is way more expensive than it was for past generations, and over the last few decades, tuition costs have gone up way faster than wages. This means people graduating have more debt, but not necessarily higher paychecks to match that. Second, even with degrees, wages have flatlined and a lot of graduates are struggling to find those jobs that will pay those those bills off. Graduates are settling for lower in jobs because the good jobs either don't exist one or are impossible to land without years of experience. Then you have the insane economy. Costs are up on everything, including eggs, groceries, interest rates are up, and the student loan system is confusing and even more confusing and harder to get through on the phone with people because the recent cuts to the Department of Education and financial aid offices, I had read, people have been waiting on the phone for. Hours. Um, bottom line though, Americans struggle with student loans, not out of laziness or irresponsibility, but because it's a rigged system, a, you know, a better presidential administration would work to find a solution. Not punish people for trying to create a better future for themselves. And let's be real honest here. It's pretty outrageous that these demands are coming from a president with a history of dodging bills and racking up six bankruptcies. So I. Anyway, just some facts to know on this whole situation and what would happen if your school loan goes into default, your loan holder can withhold from your pay, but O up to 15%. If you're on social security, your loan holder can withhold up to 15% of your benefits as well. So. And if your loan goes in the default, you won't be able to get additional federal student aids, which means if you wanna continue schooling or whatnot later down the road, you would have to pay off or at least start paying before you could take out more loans to go back to school or further your education. Yeah. And none, all the people that are doing this right now have, have never had to worry about paying a bill in their entire lives. They all have billions of dollars. They're all privileged Americans and. It's just ridiculous. This shouldn't be happening. Did Trump even go to school? Yeah, I think he went to Pennsylvania University or something. But along with the loanee already in default, around another 4 million people are 91 to 180 days late on their loan payments. Less than 40% of all borrowers are current on their student loans. Those are massive, massive numbers. 5.3 million are in default. 4 million are more than three months late on their, on their loans. Shouldn't this tell you something are, are they really saying that nine plus million Americans are lazy and don't want to pay their loans? It doesn't make any fucking sense. It pisses me off actually. You know, people like the millennial generation who had to live through this, these debts and the Gen Zers are following right behind us, should be the ones in charge. In office working towards a better solution. This shouldn't be happening. And you know, the school loans is just one little pie graph of this entire situation that people have to deal with. I mean, let's not even dig into rent nowadays. And, and, um, you know, mortgage payments that you know, and interest rates and, I mean, we can't go to the grocery store without spending 200 bucks minimum. I mean, this is. Just adding on. And when we are saying people are gonna have to start paying on their loans, school loans, I mean we're talking five to 700, maybe even 1200 a month towards a school loan that's, that's a car payment that isn't more than a car payment for some people. And if you're just gonna throw that on someone they are gonna sink. Yeah. So here's another story that I think will wake some Midwesterners up. Sarah Huckabee Sanders, former White House Press secretary under Trump presidency between 2017 to 2019, and now the current governor of Arkansas is in dire need of federal disaster assistance after a tornado's ravaged parts of Arkansas. The last six weeks, I'm going to refer to her as Sarah, so it's not to be confused with the burn. Bernie Sanders. So Sarah asked Trump for a major disaster declaration. This is the first step in securing federal funds and other help from fema. Sarah specifically requested help in the form of small business loans and individual assistance for people in about 10 counties across Arkansas, but it was declined, meaning federal assistance would not be headed their way. The federal government said the damage wasn't anything state or local folks couldn't handle. So then Sarah and the Arkansas State Division of Emergency Management appealed that decision, which so far has been denied, but it's big difference between both presidencies. Sarah wrote on X in 2023. As long as I am your governor. The meddling hand of big government creeping down from Washington DC will be stopped cold at the Mississippi River end. Quote. The Mississippi River borders the entire eastern Arkansas border. That talk, however, did nothing to dissuade then President Joe Biden from quickly signing off on disaster relief for Arkansas after a March, 2023 tornado. In fact, a year later, the Arkansas Department of Emergency Management sent a press release, which noted how quickly the Biden administration responded to the 2023 storms. I wonder if a category five, hurricane Pummels, Marla Largo. If the government will pay for the reconstruction. Oh, abs a hundred percent. Yeah, exactly. So here's the deal with all this situation acting fema administrator Cameron Hamilton, who was a Trump appointee recently outlined recommendations that would make it harder for communities like Arkansas to qualify for federal disaster assistance. Hamilton. Wants to quadruple the threshold for public assistance raising the per capita indicator or PCI, which is the formula used to determine if a state qualifies for federal assistance, he wants to raise that from rate$1.10 89 per person to$7 56. Essentially, that means a community would need to suffer much greater damage To qualify for federal aid, cutting out smaller disasters. And what I mean by smaller disasters is localized serious damage like tornadoes. You also have to think these changes are being made right before hurricane season. If Arkansas. Can't even get assistance for tornado damage. What should we expect with hurricane damage? Also, it's important to consider these changes would affect not only blue states, but a large amount of red states because tornadoes affect a lot of the Midwest. Hurricanes affect the southern red states and coastal states, it's going to affect everyone. Do you think that the federal government should continue to have this responsibility, or do you think states should take on more of that burden? I don't know. I feel like the federal government should hold that responsibility. Well, yeah, and these states like Arkansas and you know, Mississippi, Alabama, they, their output. Is not enough to match other states. So a state like Texas or California can afford, you know, disaster relief for a certain amount of time. But these smaller states, they just cannot, and a large amount of them are red. I'll just say that. So, alright guys, so let's go to our little game time. Oh, game time. Okay. This week I thought in the energy of keeping up with RuPaul's Drag Race and Alyssa Edwards, seeing her last Thursday. We're gonna play who said it, but is it an RPDR, RuPaul Drag Race Drag Queen or the GOP? The game where the lines between drag SAS and political gas sliding gets a little too blurry. Are you ready? I'm ready. All right. All right. First quote. They hate me'cause they ain't me. GOP or R-P-D-R-R-P-D-R. RuPaul? Yes. And it was actually Alyssa Edwards. That is one of her like main lines. Alright. Number two. Oh, there's 10 by the way. So you're one right? So far. Number two, I'm not politically correct, I'm just correct. GOP or R-P-D-R-G-O-P. Correct. Donald Trump Jr. He's a fun character. All right. Quote three. They can't cancel what they can't compete with. RuPaul's Drag Race or G-O-P-G-O-P. RuPaul's Drag Race. Naomi Smalls said that. Okay, moving on. Quote four, cry harder, snowflake. RuPaul Drag Race or G-O-P-G-O-P. Do you know who said that? Who said it? Josh Hawley. Of course. Not surprised by that one. Alright, number five, if you can't handle the heat, get outta my spotlight. RuPaul's Drag Race or GOP? I'm gonna go with RuPaul. Correct. Nice. You're five for five right now and that was Shangla who I adore as well, quote six. The truth hurts. Good. I've been sharpening it for years. RuPaul's Drag Race or GOP. I'm gonna go with GOP RuPaul's Drag Race. Damn, jinx Monsoon. She was, she won one Season two. She's done really well for herself. She's on Broadway now. Anyways, quote seven, you're a sniveling coward. Leave Heidi the hell alone. RuPaul's Drag Race or GOP, Heidi. So I'm gonna say RuPaul's, GOP. Oh, who were they talking about? Ted Cruz was responding to Trump because I guess Trump made some really snide remarks about Ted's wife. Oh, I remember. Whenever I think about Ted Cruz, I always think of that ice storm and he like flew down to, uh. Cancun and people were like driving by his house and they like, and there was like no power. And his poor little dog is just like in the front door staring out the window because you know, out the screen door because you know, it just looks so sad and there's no electricity. But he's out there partying and. Cancun and he ended up flying back. Do you remember that? Yeah. Casey Musgraves was pissed about that. I forgot all about that image of his dog. It wasn't it like a little black Frenchy or something? No, it was a white, white dog Shihtzu or something. I do remember that photo though. Okay. But then Casey Musgraves started selling like shirts called Cruising for a Bruising and donating it to all the families affected in Texas. Pretty cruising was pretty neat for bruising and fort bruising. Oh, I love Casey Musgrave. She is a great writer. Alright, quote eight. Lucifer in the flesh. I have never worked with a more miserable son of a bitch in my life. Who? RuPaul's Drag Race or GOP? Oh, I can see it going both ways. I think I'm going to go with. The GOP. Correct? Of course. That's kind of the point of this is like the fact that the GOP says such insane things. They sound like drag queens. It's no disrespect on drag queens. I love the reeds from of drag queens, but this was former house speaker Crate John Boner, Boer, John Boer, whatever. Alright. Quote nine. Jesus is a biscuit. Let him so you up. RuPaul's Drag Race or GOP? Oh my God. I'm gonna go with GOP. It was RuPaul's Drag Race. Damn. Latrice Roal. She was an earlier drag queen. I think she actually was right with Liz Edwards up there. All right, last one, quote 10. I don't impersonate females, GOP or RuPaul's Drag. Oh. GOP. That was RuPaul's Drag Race. Oh man, it was RuPaul herself. So I was, the rest of the quote goes, and it will make sense this way. I don't impersonate females. How many women do you know who wear seven inch heels, four foot wigs and skin tight dresses. Which is true. so whether it's GOP drama or runway trauma, one thing is clear. Only one of these groups are actually slaying. The other are just miserable human beings. I would love to see RuPaul's Drag Race Queens read to Filth. Some of these GOP members. I I'm sure they have. Yeah. But I would love to find, like someone should put a reel together with all of it, because it would be very entertaining. It would be hilarious. Yeah. Actually, they would tear them the pieces. Fun game. Good job, Alex. That was a good one. Thanks. Thanks. So, um, here, here's another one. This is a fun one by the way, and I say that with all sarcasm. So everyone should know who Michelle Fiori is. Michelle is a former Las Vegas city councilwoman and a state lawmaker who ran unsuccessfully in 2022 for state treasurer. You should also Google her image. Because the amount of makeup she wears should also be law breaking, just to my opinion. I mean, just, just Google immature her. Uh, I did Google immature and her eyebrow eyebrows are a choice. I mean, they are. Arched. There's just a lot to unpack when you Google her. I'm not gonna lie, she is. So I found out she's the woman that after the Valdi shooting, which was very, very sad, she actually had the gall to falsely claim the shooter was transgendered. Do you remember this? Do you remember that story? Don't someone, a Republican tried saying the shooter from Valdi was transgender, which was false. She also totes all lives matter and she's, when Black Lives Matter, she kind of really pushed that narrative and she's a huge gun rights advocate, so she released a calendar. Go look it up in 2016 with her posing and like glamor shots with a bunch of guns each month. I mean, machine gun Michelle is a gift. How does she fit a MAGA hat on top of all that hair? I just want to know. I have no idea. I guess she has to like. I kind of push it down or something like that. Well, anyways, Michelle was found guilty last October on six counts of federal wire fraud and one count of conspiracy to commit wired fraud. Federal prosecutors said at trial that she had raised more than$70,000 for a statue. Of a Las Vegas police officer who was fatally shot in 2014 in the line of duty, but instead she spent some of that money on cosmetic surgery, rent and her daughter's wedding. However, Michelle is a MAGA hat wearing Trump loyalist, and because of that, Trump pardoned Michelle. She'll serve no time for this illegal stunt she pulled. Unbelievable. Ridiculous. Well, actually, I, I guess it's believable coming from this administration. Could you imagine someone using their student loans to like pay for surgeries and rents and then get pardoned Oh, and not have to pay it back their student loans. Yeah. If someone was using their student loans to pay for shit. Yeah. And oh, we would all get yelled at and you would never get pardoned anyways. It's ridiculous. Anyways. So last week marks the 55th anniversary of Earth Day, which was born in 1970 out of outrage. It was initially sparked by an oil spill off the coast of California. 20 million Americans marched that first year and demanded change, and they got it. Within a few years. We had the Clean Air Act. The Clean Water Act and the EPA was formed. Now that's the legacy, but 55 years later, earth Day is now global and the stakes have only gotten higher. This year's theme is interesting enough because of the current administration, but it was labeled our power. Our planet and it's a call to clean energy or renewable energy. Scientists warn that we must triple global renewable energy production by 2030, or we risk pushing the planet past the 1.5 degree Celsius threshold. But here's the complication. Clean energy relies on rare earth minerals. Things like lithium, cobalt, neodymium, they are all essential for things like wind turbines. Solar panels and electric vehicle batteries, but the way we extract for those minerals, well, it's a tangled mess with more environmental destruction, political corruption, and labor exploitation, essentially. I. We are trying to build a better future with tools that reflect the worst parts of the old one. And while we deal with those complexities, bring in Trump. Did you see Sheryl Crow's post on her Instagram for Earth Day? I did. I love how liberal she is. Yeah. She brought to light a recent situation with the Trump administration and their fight with Hawaii. Anyways, this is the soundbite. This news is frustrating scientists. This rollback helps commercial fishing companies while ignoring indigenous communities. So Earthly reminds us what's possible when people demand change, but with Trump's marine rollbacks, they also remind us that progress is never guaranteed, but. Here's the thing. We are the most informed, connected, and organized generations, yet we can make a difference on our ballots, our social feeds, and with our spinning habits. The fight for the planet is at its core. A political one. It means holding governments and corporations accountable. The future isn't clean unless we clean up the politics too. Yeah. Happy Earth Day. Happy Earth Day. Did you, so did you see Trump started to sell Red Hats with the lettering Trump 2028 on it? Ugh. It makes me absolutely. Sick. However, I'm not sure he'd want to run again, but I think it's a decoy for one of his sons, maybe Don Jr. I didn't even think of that when I saw the hat and I did see the hat was so ugh. But I thought Donald Trump, but I, yeah, all any of his sons could run and it would still be a Trump. Election. Yeah, totally. Huh. So last week our friend informed of this next story, uh, we went to the zoo Lights this past Friday at the St. Louis Zoo, which was great by the way. Um, but I. So if anyone has seen Game of Thrones, you know what a dire wolf is. I mean, who didn't fall in love with ghost? Ugh, he was so cute. But, well, a biotech company named Colossal went full on Jurassic Park and announced the birth of three real baby dire wolves. Their names Romulus. Or Romulus, which someone had to be a fan of Alien to figure that out. Remus, someone had to be a fan of Harry Potter and Kaisei'cause obviously, so now these aren't actual dire wolves. I just wanna note colossal took regular gray wolves. And used gene editing to give them bigger skulls and thicker jaws. Basically, these wolves went to their aesthetician and got some filler done. but in actuality, no real dire wolf, DNA was used. But there is an argument. Shouldn't we be focusing our energy on saving real living species instead of remixing prehistoric ones? I mean, what are the boundaries of biotechnology and the ethics of playing with nature? Either way. I think it's pretty cool, and in today's world, I think we need a little bit of positivity and fun little news and glow up wolves deliver for that. Another quick story. A pair of identical twins have captivated the internet, not with a viral dance, but with a synchronized retelling of a harrowing event. So their names are Bridget and Paula Powers. They are 50-year-old sisters who recently recounted a dramatic carjacking incident involving their mother dressed identically in blue scrubs. In the video, it almost looked. To me like a split screen. It was kind of crazy. Their synchronized speech isn't new for them. Despite attempts to speak individually, they often find themselves slipping back into harmony. I do have a question for you, Ryan. If I started speaking, speaking synchronized to you, would you find it annoying or endearing and an extension of our deep bond together? No, I would not like that at all. It would annoy that. I would annoy that. Oh, not me. Yeah. No, that's a crazy video. Isn't that wild? I find that so fascinating how just twins in general, but like that, how they spoke in that video, it was just so fascinating to me. It almost seemed like an act, but then you're like, no, they're really going. Yeah, they're really talking. Definitely. Okay, well that's it for episode 16. Wow. We're at 16, guys. Um. Thank you for listening. Remember to give us a follow on Instagram TikTok, share the podcast with your friends. Uh, email us at the civil Union twenty5@gmail.com and tune back in, we'll probably have another episode up, uh, soon. So, all right. Thank you. Thanks guys. Bye.