Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 0:00

Hey, welcome to another edition of The Real Critics Network. I am Reggie Ponder the real critic here with my co-host Kathia Woods, who is traveling, doing great things out there. Kathia, what city you in? I,

Kathia Woods: 0:14

I was in dc went home and I'm in Los Angeles. We'll be go back home for a couple days and then I'm back in DC'cause my niece is graduating from Virginia Commonwealth.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 0:27

Before we get into it, why all the travel? What's going on? I mean, what's going on with you?

Kathia Woods: 0:33

My sister got married, so my baby sister only have one sister, so that was important. She waited a long time to get married, so I have a great new sister-in-law, Shannon, so that's why I was in dc. Nice. I know. I'm very happy for her. The wedding was great then out in Los Angeles for junket for Mar Rock Hill. New show forever. Right. Based on a Judy Bloom book about young love. So out to do that. But Reggie Uhoh. Yeah, I just feel, and then the dog is looking at me. I'm over. He's like, I'm over y'all.'cause he had this, he had go to a pet. Who hotel does he know? He's gonna have to go back to one. This coming weekend for a little bit, and then I'll be home for a little bit before I go to co. So it's a lot.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 1:24

That's all right. That's all right. You got a lot going. All right, let's jump into it. The first segment, as we all know, is called What's On My Mind and What's On My Mind is really just to talk a little bit about the Centers Box Office, is that when we, I don't even wanna say nothing now I'm gonna let you go ahead. Go ahead, talk about it.

Kathia Woods: 1:41

No, no, no. Please. No, you go ahead, please. I'm ready. I wanna see where you're gonna take this.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 1:47

The first thing is that when centers did 48 million or 52 million, depending on which outlet you listen to, it was with a question mark or an asterisk as that. Well, maybe it'll do okay. Maybe it's all right, but we have to see and then. It did really well the next week, and it did really well the next week and the next week, and this film is doing so well in out there I that it's very, very impressive and kudos and congratulations to Kler for what? For, firstly, for what he put out there as a piece of product, and then secondly how that product has performed in the marketplace. Absolutely fantastic. When we look at the domestic take for centers, right now it's at about$180 million,$180 million domestically with another approximately somewhere around$60 million internationally. So really encroaching on$250 million. The time that this film has been out and that is really good. My prediction is whenever you have a movie or my, not, my prediction, my belief is that whenever you have a movie that costs a hundred million, you need to make three times that to be profitable, to be, because usually you spend about a hundred million on. Advertising. You spend a hundred million on making it, and then you have to split the box office receipts with the theaters. So this is definitely Bo, this definitely Bos, well, for the For centers, and I'm gonna say the Centers franchise. Maybe that's what I got. That's what I got.

Kathia Woods: 3:52

What, since it's been a week where people have been very proud and loud and of not being able to source things, I thought I'd do something different. So world altogether. The Box Office for Centers has is$236,728,722, and that's off a Box Office Mojo. Domestically, it's at 179,728,722. Mind you, it lost its IMAX screens. To show you the strength of what Sinners is doing. It is going back to imax and those tickets for Sinners IMAX have sold out already. So it's going back to May 15th, right? Because Thunder Balls will get'em, and then before the next big thing comes, then they can take over some of those screens and. It returned for one week in imax. That's bigger number and all of those showings have sold out.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 4:58

It's the, it is the only place to see this film, which is not the only place, but it is the place to see this film. Seeing it in imax again, I was a scaredy cat, so you can speak to all of my friends about that. I went to see it again with Donna and there's a couple of scenes in there, which I don't want to give away anything, but there's a couple of scenes in there that I jumped on during the first one, and I still jumped during the second one during the second time watching it. And Donna jumped too. So I felt a little bit better that at least somebody joined me in being scared.'cause she was scared. She was scared too.

Kathia Woods: 5:35

The headline was from Variety. Let's not, I don't work Variety, and even if I did, I don't have ownership in that. But the point still is that why is it sinners? It's a lot of talk about, first of all, why people pocket watching Ryan Cougar. Nobody had all this to say when it's Quentin Tarantino Sinners is a shorter movie than once upon a time in Hollywood, which is forever long. That movie needed to be cut by four minutes. My opinion. And in its opening weekend, sinners did 7 million more than once upon a time in Hollywood. And the both movies cost around the same. So the question still is, why is it that variety wants to say that, Ooh, we have to worry about in making money when it is a black director, predominantly black film. Right. And when it's Quentin Tarantino, oh, it did fantastic. That it goes back to the conversation you and I have, which is when there's nobody that looks like us in a position of authority, and it's people who are vanilla and non melanated who are very comfortable saying these things under the guise of driving traffic. But this, I love what black people did with the meme variety, said, it's not gonna make money. Black people said BET and went to the movies, not just on the weekend, they went to the movies during the week. Screenings of sinners were sold out on Monday, people Tuesday, Wednesday, people went and hit their nine to five or whatever they got going on and said, let me go hit this movie one more time. And again, this is the problem. When you don't have anybody that looks like us or anybody, to be able to push back in a position of authority and say, Hey, number one, this is not even accurate. Why are you so comfortable? And then also, this is what I say to the community. We gotta start looking at these headlines and we gotta start looking at these outlets. So when there's an opportunity for you to do an exclusive, a feature, a cover, whatever, don't give'em that because they don't respect you and they don't respect your art. Say no, keep that same energy and give it to the community that supported you and was with you. So the point still being is. It's just crazy to me. And we only make up 13% of the population. And you know, it was bad because I saw a gentleman, I'm sorry, who happens to be white saying that that headline was utterly disrespectful. They're like, we're having community. We finally have something, an original film. Everybody's excited to see it. We're all like, it's the light burning.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 8:17

Absolutely.

Kathia Woods: 8:17

And why do you have to be the Debbie Downer? You know it's bad when white people are like, now come on friend. So I agree with you and I hope and pray now he is. Here's a question I have. Reggie Ron, all of Ryan Cougar's movies have made over a hundred million.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 8:33

That's right. Dollars. That's right.

Kathia Woods: 8:35

Where is his three picture deal? If Warner Brothers had any clue. They lock him up for a three picture deal. Paramount gave a picture deal to Damien after the dismal failure of Babylon. Where is Ryan Kugler's picture deal?

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 8:52

No, no doubt. No doubt. So I think you bring up a co, a couple of really good points. There's one though that I just, I think I disagree with you if I heard you correctly, and the one that I disagree with you on is that if Variety called me, which I did do some articles for Variety, and I got to do the cover story, I do it. And the reason I do, it's because I think it really speaks to what we've talked about before is that if they don't have. People of color in their stable, they need to have people of color in their stable. I am so happy that we have somebody like a Clayton over there. I know he's in a different area or whatever, but it's great to know that we do have somebody once in a while who might have some integrity from a Afro-Latino perspective and to provide that for variety. We complain that they don't have it. But they can't have it if people don't go. So that would be my pushback. I

Kathia Woods: 9:45

think we're saying the same thing. I just don't want us to be the workers. I want us to be in a position. I want us, I don't want us to have a fancy title, but we can't be in that room when these types of discussions are being made to say, don't do that, and this is the reason why this is not a good idea. Do you know what I mean? And I think that's what it is. Absolutely. I'm never gonna tell a person of color, especially black people, because we know right now it's the Hunger Games in this journalism thing to take an opportunity to write a cover. But there, I don't want us just to be in the cubicle. I want us to be in those positions, in those editorial decisions. When we're talking about covers, when we're talking about bylines, when we're talking about how to cover a community, I want us to be able to say, we're not doing that.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 10:36

I feel that a hundred percent, and I know that with you and. And what you do with your paper in Philadelphia is that that discussion with your editors and is a great discussion because they're listening. They're saying, Hey, oh, you wanna do this, but why? And then you guys talk about why that is and when you can have that kind of discussion. And influence and feedback, then you just come out with a much better pro product. Overall, it's

Kathia Woods: 11:06

better. We all need that. We all need someone to pull us to the side. I mean, we, none of us are perfect, right? No, for sure. And this is the beauty of having an editorial, a true, diverse editorial staff to say, I feel the same way if we're covering things about the L-G-B-T-Q-I-A community. We're covering things about people over the age of 50. To be able, someone needs to be in the room to say, Hey, I am, your intent might be good, but this is not a good look, period.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 11:34

Well, to that point, and I'm glad you mentioned the LGBTQ community, the celebration of LGBTQ plus for the critic's choice is coming up. I don't have the date in front of me, but this is one that's gonna be on tv. People are gonna, I think people are gonna be able to check it out in a couple of different places, and I should have been ready for that, but I don't have it. Maybe by the end of this broadcast. We'll, I'll have it out, have all the information so people can make sure to check it out, because unfortunately I won't be able to fly out there. It's, I think it's June the ninth. I won't be able to fly out there to la. To be a part, but I really do hope that people support it. There are some phenomenal people coming out to be a part of that celebration.

Kathia Woods: 12:23

Got you. I got you. Right here. It's the second annual Critic Choice. Celebration of lgbtq plus cinema and television. It will be June 6th at the Fairmont Century Plaza. Following the way the show will stream on Hear tv. The first and largest lgbtq plus television streaming service during Pride Month in June. And again, follow the. CC, L-G-B-T-Q Cinema for the Event details, and you can see all the honorees and some of our favorite people like Matt and Nathan Lee Graham, who's on the new show on Hulu, which is hilarious. Also, hir Zada, who was on Agatha. So, you know, you have Tremmel Tillman who's on severance and our And Wanda Sykes. Wanda. Wanda

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 13:15

Sykes is getting an award. I think so, yes,

Kathia Woods: 13:18

yes. As she is. So I'm like, it's a good time. And now more than ever, we need to be good allies and support those spaces because baby try having the entertainment, the arts without members of the L-G-B-T-Q-I-A community. Good luck. And also tomorrow is, is the first Monday in May. The Met Gala and Dandyism is the theme, black Dandyism. So I'm looking forward to seeing all the fabulous men on that carpet. Please dear, we are not,

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 13:51

we are not going to get to our movie. You know why?

Kathia Woods: 13:54

Yeah.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 13:54

Because my daughter is going to New York tomorrow to dance at one of the. After parties at the Met Gala. So she has been contracted to go then I don't even, I don't even have all the details, so I'm all excited. So she's going out there tomorrow. This is different.

Kathia Woods: 14:16

You're shouting out your kid and you know she's been out there for a long time. Listen, we talking Black Excellence, we always got a second for that, but we go, we are gonna get into her movie, but I am so happy for her. Come on, dad, I, you better post all these pictures. You better tell everybody. And then some

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 14:31

girls, like I said, we're never gonna get to the movie because I do is talk about check out Bobby POA at this party because Bobby Pond is gonna be killing it. You better be

Kathia Woods: 14:44

out there, be like, talk to me. Nice.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 14:48

So I'm, I am so excited for her and she's headed out tomorrow. We'll probably be there a couple of days, but then she has to get back because she's actually in a show here in Chicago as well. So she girl is working, trying to do her thing.

Kathia Woods: 15:04

We're working. We're working. We like a girl that's booked and busy girl is working. And the only reason I mention it is because Reggie, for those of you that know, you see him in the ball cap, those of you that see it on your stream and whatever you see him in this, but Mr. Reggie here when he is off the tube. He is quite the Dan d himself. So this is one of the reasons why I brought it up.'cause if you see Reggie at movie premieres and at festivals, he is very, very damper. Reggie is a dancer. He himself likes to hit the dance floor. And he is always suited and booted, and I love that for you. So yes, reason why I brought it up,

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 15:45

I appreciate it my friend. I totally appreciate it. I that means that since you gave one half of Bobby's lineage some credit, gotta give the other half some credit and that Donna ponder. Was a professional dancer doing African Caribbean dancing. So Bobby got that from her and hey, we are, we're so excited to see her out there. Let's get into our one movie for today, and that movie is Thunder Bowls. I will tell you, this is one of those. Times when I wish that I had eman here with us to talk because he is the MCU guru. I had to look up stuff. I'm like, where did that character come from? Well, is this character a new character? And why does that this work? With that, a couple of things. The first thing to know about this movie Thunderbolts is that after the Avengers end game. There are no more Avengers. The Avengers are not together anymore, and there's plenty of reasons for that, but just know that there are, if you haven't seen it, I don't wanna mess it up for you'cause you can go back and watch it. But the Avengers are no more. They had to break up for various reasons and some of them are not coming back, so on and so forth. So that means that there is a void and because there's a void, the, there's no shield either, by the way. Shield is, it has been disbanded. There's no shield. So there is a Valentina Allegra de Fontine, and she wants to make sure that you put that dead fontine there, who is doing some experimental things on people trying to create this new super. Being a super being that can help protect the world. In doing so, it's an illegal program. It's an underground program and it doesn't seem to be going well and she is up for impeachment as because she's up for impeachment. She now has to try to destroy all the evidence related to this program. She tries to destroy all the evidence related to this program, and she uses some mercenaries to do that. Those mercenaries are also liabilities. Because they're liabilities. She also is trying to do away with them. They determine. That they were targets and somehow become this ragtag that decides to stay together. And when they decide to stay together, they discover that one of the experiment subjects named Bob, yes, Bob, you'll laugh because they'll just keep talking. Bob, that Bob actually survived the experiments and eventually becomes what we know and now know, which is a new character in the MCU is the century. Century is basically unstoppable. And that ragtag group that comes together, which is the, and they call themselves the thunderbolts because I'll get into that later. That ragtag group cannot defeat Bob. So that is the overall piece. Will they stay together and fight Bob? Will they go their own way and try to survive? Will they fight each other? What will happen in this film, and it is called The Thunderbolts. I'll leave it at that and throw it off to you. Kathiaia.

Kathia Woods: 19:12

You know what? It's also, it gives you a little bit more insight to Yelena and her father, because we were introduced to them in, what's this called? Johansson, girl's name, black Widow. We were introduced to them there. I had no expectations. Because the MCU has been so up and down lately, right? So I was like, oh. And I think that kind of helped me'cause I wasn't going into it like we had the last couple years saying, oh my God, this is gonna be blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I just went into it and the nice thing about it is I really enjoyed this. Is it like a perfect film? Absolutely not. Is it like a masterpiece? Not in my opinion, but it's doing what it needs to do. It's entertaining. The number one reason why I think this movie works is because of Florence Pop as Elena, she is funny. She is kickass and she kind of like really represents this group of Memphis. They're like the, I don't even wanna say they're the B team Avengers. They're like the reject Avengers. They're the people you hope don't show up. If you need superheroes, they're messy. I think Bucky is the most well adjusted one. And, and

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 20:33

that, and that in and of itself is saying something.

Kathia Woods: 20:36

Exactly. And I think Yelena kind of like is, represents like. She's trying to figure out who she is when you first meet her in this movie. She's doing these jobs. She's mourning the loss of her sister. She feels disconnected'cause her and her father haven't spoken and this last job is supposed to be out. And then she's supposed to try to figure out who and what she is and why she feels the way she does, and. The thing about it is it's this unsettledness, right? The idea that she's not quite sure, but she knows she's really good at something, but she doesn't know why I think, which makes her such an endearing. I. Character. You know, the scenes between her and her father, I think are some of the best ones because he, on the other hand, is the direct opposite. She's like, I don't want to be on this team. The only reason we are on this team is because we were first forced by circumstances. Her dad, on the other hand, has been sitting on the couch somewhere in Bourbon America and he's like, yay. Finally somebody gets it. I've been saying for years we should be getting together some type of team to fill the void, right? And he's all excited to be able to suit up and use all his killing skills and all that. And that's why I think what makes this film work, it's not oddly enough, at least for me. The action. It's when they're not doing the action is when they're being dumb and when they're really like these lost people.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 22:13

Yeah. I, I really buy into that. There's a couple things that I like and that I want to piggyback that you started to talk about. The first one is the humanity. Is that I think Marvel does a good job of trying to humanize their characters and not just make them this one dimensional superhero part. And I think that that's the thing that resonates with people. So when you talk about Elena. Particularly, I mean, Yelena, excuse me, particularly that she c that I believe that young people will identify with that, those du dual feelings that she's having. Am I this? Am I that? Should I be here? Should I be there? I'm just confused right now and I'm trying to find my way, and I think that's gonna be one of the things that, that. Attracts people to that character. I also think that you mentioned that the best scenes are with her and her father. I think that what the, what Marvel does really well is try to find the humor in things. And it's funny, the funny part is the two of them together. That's absolutely funny. And then there's funny, funny, throughout the film, there's one, one scene where ghosts has to leave the room. In ghosts special way, and they're not sure where ghosts will, whether ghosts will come back or not. And when ghost comes back, they ask why. And ghosts like, oh, the elevator didn't work, so I needed the rest of you guys. Just some fun stuff that happens in the film, I think. That. This is interesting because we got some new characters, as you just talked about, that the, there's a new villain that we haven't heard about before and so you don't really know what to expect, and then when you get Yelena, who was trained as a black widow assassin. Uh, with her father, who is basically a cheap version or the Russian version of Captain America. I think that you have a lot of fun here. So I like all of that stuff together. And then there's action. So for the people who are looking for that action, they're gonna get that marvel action in this film. It, it was a fun, it was a fun movie. This film actually reminds me, or this group reminds me of the Guardians of the Galaxy in many ways.

Kathia Woods: 24:29

Yes, I would agree in

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 24:32

in so many ways, but I'll leave it at that.

Kathia Woods: 24:35

Also, Julia Louis Dreyfus, who has been around forever. Some of you know her from Seinfeld. Some of you were first introduced to her on SNL. Some of you know her from Veep. She does this type of sarcasm humor. Better, like one of the best out there. The fact that she can keep her straight face when she's saying some of these things that you know are wrong and just absurd is just amazing. And I also like that Louis Pullman who plays Bob and then later on I also like the fact that he is, we're not quite sure what to make of him. At least that's the way I interpret it. Yeah, that's right. He, is he a true villain or is he also a victim of. Valentina's administrations, right? Because he really is not, he's, he like all the under thunderbolts is a lost soul trying to find his way. Although his backdoor is a little bit different than the others, but he is too trying to figure out who his, who he is, what his place in the world is, and that's why they're all drawn to each other.'cause they all come with a lot of, not a lot of baggage. Yeah, and I think again, why the action is great. I think we can all see a little bit of ourselves, especially during these times where we're all like trying to find community and we're trying to find like how do we. Navigate this world that we're in.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 26:04

Yeah, I, and so when I talked about, it reminds me of the gar guardians of that galaxy. One of the big things here is that they're a group of outcasts. So you get these group of outcasts, and in this case, these are people who are anti-heroes, firstly, villains, and then maybe anti-heroes, maybe then, maybe heroes. So you get that piece. So the outcast piece is one, but then the. The chaos that happens inside the team is another one.'cause they have that family chaos that where they can't talk to each other or talk about each other, or maybe they can't work with each other. And the humor is just, I just think Marvel writers are good at injecting humor throughout. And obviously then they have the redemption arc as well. So will they redeem themselves? Who will, how many of them. But that redemption arc is really key. And I think that's just key for us as humans saying, okay, well maybe we've all done something wrong, but redemption could be around the corner. So I like this film. I agree with you in terms of was it the best Marvel movie I've ever seen? Nah. Was it refreshing? Yeah, I, we get some new characters. When I saw Guardians of the Galaxy, I was like, yes, thank you. We get something new, something different, something unexpected, and I think we get that here. I like Guardians of the Galaxy much better, but I think that they did a very nice job here with this particular film.

Kathia Woods: 27:41

I agree. Again, if you go into it, not saying it's gonna save Marvel and it is gonna bring us, this is Avenger, blah, blah, blah. It's just a fun escapism popcorn movie is what you want in a summer film. That's what it's, and it kicks off

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 27:58

and it kicks off the summer blockbuster. At least everybody's saying it kicks off the summer blockbuster. But I think there was another film on Finn, another film. Who the Hell?

Kathia Woods: 28:05

Right?

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 28:06

I think there's another film that I think might have kicked off the summer blockbuster, but who knows? This is not even like what I wanna say, a serviceable. Film. It's a good film. It's a solid film all the way around. On my scale, I gave it three out of four. This, I would absolutely go into the theaters to see it. You talked about the whole thing about imax. I would see this one in IMAX if you can, because it's that kind of a big film to to see. But those screens get sold, I mean, amazingly. So those screens get sold out pretty quick as we con, as we saw with centers. When I took Donna to see centers as an aside. I wanted to make sure she saw it in IMAX and it was crowded. It was crowded, but I would recommend for people to see this one and on imax I,

Kathia Woods: 28:54

I agree. I think this is what these types of movies are made for, and again, it's just a fun movie. That's what it is. If you go in there understanding, you're gonna see a fun movie and that's what it is, you'll be akay.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 29:10

Excellent. I wanna mention a few things before we get off. Don't have a lot of time'cause I gotta run and do something for Donna, but I wanna mention a few things. I just recently interviewed one of your people, I say one of your people'cause I know you like him. But Elegance Bratton about his documentary Move Your Body, the Birth of House. And that interview can be seen on indigo.com. And the reason I'm bringing it up is that. There's a argument between Chicago and New York warehouse. Music started, not Detroit.

Kathia Woods: 29:45

Detroit is not in it.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 29:47

Oh, Detroit's not even close. Okay,

Kathia Woods: 29:49

got it.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 29:49

Mm-hmm. Not even close. The reason, if you need to watch the documentary, but the My saw at

Kathia Woods: 29:56

Sunday, I loved it.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 29:57

Oh, so the reason they called it house music is because it was the music being played at the warehouse. Correct. That where it in the warehouse is, duh. In Chicago. So I asked Elegance for once and fall. What's the birthplace of house music? And I have this on tape. I'm gonna put a clip in every social media I ever, I I even, I'm on, I'm gonna put it on my t-shirt. Like the quote, house music is Chicago music. Now what he does do is he does give credit to the house culture. The house culture being Detroit, London, New York, and a number of these other places that culture. Grew in these places, and I That's fair. That's absolutely fair. But his number one criteria, my number one criteria is, why do they call it house music? Which is, it was at the warehouse in Chicago.

Kathia Woods: 30:58

But I think, I think, yeah, most people. We'll say that came outta Chicago. What helped it become this global phenomenon is being an out of house music, because prior to house music remixes and all of that really didn't become a thing, right? House music took some of these songs that were a little flat and made it a little bit more, boom, boom, boom. A little bit more exciting, but I just feel like it's a really good documentary. The part that broke my heart is that so many people. Once again, you had black people being taken advantage of that were the pioneers and that innovated different arts and music. But you know, some of the biggest, the house music festival that happens in Come in Chicago, you know what I mean? And I also love the fact that he, of course, elegance being a gay black man himself. Argued and not argued, but showcased the fact that, again, a lot of the, just like disco, a lot of that culture came from the black and brown L-G-B-T-Q-I-A community because once again, they liked to dance and they wanted to have community and all of this kind of aligned, and some of the biggest house stars were from that community. So I think where you and I were young, like we were like in our twenties. Which was last week when that happened, we, there's a whole generation of people that don't understand that God help us will think like Puffy was the guy that came up with remixes, was not, but there's a whole generation of young kids.'cause everything that was older, new again, that are having at these raves, like a lot of the Swedish house Monster, E-D-M-E-D-M, that e dm, that all comes. From those ray festivals. That all comes from the house music culture. But it's an excellent film and I encourage, once again, I'm a huge fan of documentaries, as you guys know, but I'm even more of a fan when our people tell our stories and they go to the pioneers. And they pull up the archives, which Elegance does about these different places and how these different songs came to be and how these different movements. And I think it's really important for us to, we're getting a lot of great stories Yes. About these different movements. Yeah. Good looking. I'm so glad you brought that up.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 33:23

Something. And then before we leave, I need you to just tell people why I, we can't get into it, but at least tell why, because I got two minutes left, is to talk about why people should go see government cheese.

Kathia Woods: 33:38

Government cheese is hilarious like me. I gotta post the interview. Me and David and Simone, we had ourselves a time, like we had some Kikis these 10 minutes. And when I tell you David, a yellow play, somebody, you wanna look up the word d Lulu, that is his character in government cheese. The man came home from prison. After running a scam, trying to run a scam and then had the audacity to ask his wife what stuff is not working, why the house is not looking a certain way. Sir, you've been in prison, where's the money coming from? So we, it just gives to show you how we all got somebody in the family that isn't quite with the reality and David's character and government cheese is just a guy that refuses to, he dreams big, but the execution is very poor. And they're in lies, a lot of comedy.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 34:27

And so where can they check it out and where can they check out government cheese and where can they check out your interview?

Kathia Woods: 34:33

They can read the interview@thephiladelphiatribute.com, philly trip.com, which is online, and you can watch the show on Apple TV. Plus when I tell you that David's facial expressions and Simone's side eye will have you just ki can because she is over. My girl had to make a martini the moment he walked through the door from coming home. That shows you just how tired she is of him and his shenanigans. That's what's going on with those two.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 35:02

All right, so we didn't get to our normal section, which is ran and rave. And what I really wanted you to talk about,'cause I wanted to get your take, but we'll get it on our next episode. I wanted to get your take, not my take your take on the Shadu Sanders piece'cause I know you got something to say about it, but we'll hold that.

Kathia Woods: 35:21

Well, we don't have enough time today, but we'll talk about it next time we get together. All I just have to say is, you know what? In God's time and. It's not when you go, it's what you do with it. And I think he is built for this moment.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 35:34

Well, I love it. I love it. Well, that's our show you guys. I'm Reggie Ponder the real critic. That's Kathia Woods again. Kathia. Where can they find a half of your stuff? Because you everywhere.

Kathia Woods: 35:46

You can find me at the Philadelphia Tribune. You can find me at the Sacramento Observer and@cuppasoulshow.com.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic: 35:54

That's it guys. Two critics, two opinions, but one mission, and that's where dialogue engages. It educates entertains, and it sometimes escalates. This time we didn't have that. You saw that we didn't escalate the thing, but anyway, thanks so much, Kathia. See you later.

Kathia Woods: 36:10

See you later.