Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 0:02

Hey everybody. This is 2026 and we are in our second year of the Real Critics Network. I am here with my co-host Katya Woods, and we got a lot to talk about. But before we do that, Katia, how are you? How are you? Happy New Year, all that stuff.

Kathia Woods 0:24

I'm good. I'm good. We were in the same place, and Reggie, you didn't avoid me like the Ponic plague. We actually have pictures from it.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 0:32

We do have pictures. We were together. However, I saw a picture with basically the crew. I'm like how do I miss these pictures? I never get to be in the pictures with everybody else. It be you and me. But I'm starting to think that maybe that everybody, maybe I've pissed off some people with the everybody else.'cause I can't never get into everybody else pictures.

Kathia Woods 0:55

We took that after the show and you probably ran to the door. That's probably why if you stuck around a little bit and had I

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 1:02

did

Kathia Woods 1:03

ginger ale, you would've been in the picture.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 1:06

I did. I got me a burger, some french fries some slippers. I was, I say, talk

Kathia Woods 1:11

about that. I gonna say this. I appreciate the burger. I appreciate the fries, but them slipper, the only people, slippers gonna fit. Were gonna be. Either a 6-year-old, I said these slippers were so little. I appreciated the sentiment, but I said these are not gonna work. That have a little bit of a bigger foot. I would've been like half my toes. I said, you know what? I'm gonna just, the walk is not that far to the car.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 1:41

I'm gonna move off screen for just half a second'cause I'm gonna pick up my slippers. Hold on.

Kathia Woods 1:48

Dude, they fit you. I know you lying.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 1:51

All right. So I did not try to put my slippers on n neither did I try to I don't know who they wanted to get this get used to as well, but but I ain't know. I ain't know what this was.

Kathia Woods 2:04

Oh yeah, that's for the plane. Or when, for those of us that are adjusting to the time difference. So when the light starts peeking through, you can just put these on, right? Or on the plane, you throw your headphones on and you throw these on. It really means I'm not talking to you. I won't be bothered. You could do all that and people still would wanna try to talk to you, and you're like, no, ma'am. And

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 2:27

so for people who are listening to us e gave out these what do you call it?

Kathia Woods 2:32

Blindfold. Yeah, blindfold. Not that type of blindfold, but just

What's On My Mind: In The Room @ The Critics Choice Awards

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 2:38

out these blindfolds. But let's get into our segments and try to make sure that we can get to all the things you guys want to get into. And this show is all about awards, and specifically we're gonna talk about the Critics Choice Awards, and we will talk about the upcoming go golden Globes as well. And in the segment of what's on my mind. What's on my mind related to the Critic's Choice Awards, not about the awards themselves, is that this was my first time attending the big show. Mm-hmm. And I will tell you that I had a good time Now. I think I would've had a greater time had I been around some of my friends. I had my friend Bonnie with me, which is always great, but I wasn't around you guys. So I basically saw you a little bit say, hi, move, keep moving. And in between the commercials may have seen everybody.'cause we were all rushing around to say hi to different people and so on and so forth. But being in the room, it was so much better than just being at home on my couch. So I enjoyed it. That's what's on my mind. I just thought I'd mention that. Any thoughts about the show in general before we get to specific awards?

Kathia Woods 3:54

I thought the show especially being first up, I think this is a good move for CCA because the Critic Stories award doesn't have the history of the Golden Globes and is not as well known around the world. We made some headlines, we made some good ones, and we made some bad ones. And, but overall, I think the show was good. I thought Chelsea hit the right tone. Everybody looked great. I thought we represented as an organization. Now the one thing is we still don't get, we're always gonna get dragged about that charcuterie plate that we serve, which is terrible. The food the other part too is we are also. The, how the international film was presented on the carpet. A lot of people, well the Brazilians, let's just put it this way. We were trending in Brazil and that, for all the good reasons and because the way that they did it, especially how international film has come along really no longer is this stepchild, but is a lot of the mainstream, especially with the secret agent has had the year that it's had. And I know the organization, we talked to Joey about it a little bit. What, how they compensated for is to have Colla and Wagner present best picture and they got to make some remarks. But some people thought that was handled clumsy because when they came out and they were talking about it, it was a little awkward it, and then you were like, oh, okay, now I get it. Like it took me a second to be like, what, why, what? Yeah. And then I was like, I missed that whole thing on the carpet. I think it would've been more effective if a board member, I don't think it should been the EHOs. A board member presented it, it should have been Joey, somebody high profile. So it doesn't look like the step for a child, and then of course gonna, Globes is like running with it, saying we value international seeing that they have international members. So all in all, but I think for the most part, the ratings were up. If you saw that Sean said the ratings were up. And I think it is because starting off first really, really helped with that aspect.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 6:11

I I do too. I do want to make a point about the show. I think we're learning.

Kathia Woods 6:17

Yes.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 6:17

And I think that there will not be a time when the international film will not be presented on stage. I do think that there are a couple of things that could have made that transition very easy because they could have said something like, and here are two Knights winners. Of the such and such and such and such of that. The and that would've not made it so awkward because I was also sitting there saying, oh, what's happening right now? I wasn't exactly sure. So we're learning. I think we will be better. I'm so happy that we are, we're on a network that seemed to boost our profile overall and generally I haven't seen grades, if you will, but generally it seems like we put on a good show.

Kathia Woods 7:08

Yeah. And I think there's a lot of conversation about, Michael B. Jordan losing out and people diminishing what Michael did in sinners and trying to make it seem, what Timothy did was so superior. I think there are two different type of performances, but I don't think, I don't think you. You need to disparage Michael B. Jordan. And I think sadly, it's some of our people, some of our melanated people have gotten on Al Gore's internet, not Beyonce's, and show their whole backside. So it's just, and also we still have work to do on how black film is interpreted and viewed. Do you know what I mean? And especially when it's made by black people to a very black lens. And I think Reggie, you and I as members of this organization also, we try to educate our mutuals and explain to them that just like we're only 13% of the population in the United States, in order for our people to get their light, to get over the hump, we need our non melanated friends to vote with us. Even, like I said, it's, the math is not in our fever If every black person voted black, top to bottom right. And a lot of us try to do that. We'd still don't have enough votes. It'd be like, Hamilton, you ain't got the votes. You ain't got the votes.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 8:29

Since we're talking Hamilton if we had the votes, wouldn't it be nice? Wouldn't it be nice to have? That's why

Kathia Woods 8:34

I also say is we also gotta support our, the image award nominations come out on Monday. But I think at the end of the day is what I also love about Ryan is he doesn't do this work for the awards. It's nice to get him. He does this award, these, this work, excuse me, for the community

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 8:54

and for the culture

Kathia Woods 8:55

And for himself, for his creative outlet and for the community. And the community showed up and showed up because this movie. Made a buttload of money and I think at this particular point, we all know what's going over there with Jay Penske and Penske Media, and the list goes on and on, and it's just at this particular point let them people do them. And just the best way to engage that type of chatter. It's just ignore it.

Movies: Critics Choice Awards, Winners and Losers

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 9:21

With that it's really good segue. You tipped off a couple of awards already, but let's get into some of the awards so we won't get into all of them. I would like to get into two awards that you'd like to talk about that are not the main ones that that you felt. You already talked about one, so maybe you might want to expound on the international. Of film because of the, I did not see all of the films in this category, and I'm pretty pissed off because the construction that was happening in my house really prevented me from seeing all of the films. And I really pride myself on trying to see all of the films before we get to the voting area. You know what, because I didn't see all the films in the international category, I did not vote in that category. I just felt that it was gonna be unfair, but I was very, very upset that I did not see all of those films. So could you talk about two of the categories that are of interest to you that are not the main ones? And then I'll also talk about two of the categories that were of interest to me that were the main ones.

Kathia Woods 10:35

Let's talk Costume. Costume is a good year for costume. I know some people are disappointed that Ruth Carter didn't win, but it wasn't like, oh, Paul Caswell, Ruth has gotten her shine. Paul has gotten his shine. The costumes for Frankenstein were gorgeous. You cannot say that. It's one of those things where you go, Ooh, it wasn't like a plain shirt, like those head pieces, those feathers, the very intricate gowns. We had an opportunity, like again, we are a little bit different that we had an opportunity to see some of these costumes doesn't exhibit right now that you can see in Los Angeles, where you can see the costumes up close for Frankenstein. But we had a opportunity to see the costumes. And the costumes were gorgeous.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 11:21

They were, they

Kathia Woods 11:23

were, they

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 11:23

were

Kathia Woods 11:23

gorgeous. And again, and it's not, it's so hard because everything is subjective, right? And we know that films can't be made without costumes.'cause if everybody walk around in their regular clothes, you're gonna be like, but this is supposed to be 1930 and it's gonna throw you off. So I do think that was a right win, right? I voted for Ruth, but I was not upset for Katherine who did the costumes for Frankenstein. You know what I mean? Because I,

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 11:53

I do. But here's my thought. Got it. I also voted for Ruth. However, Kate was not going to beat out Lindsay, Lindsay Pew for me, because what happened in Heda, those costumes in Heda were outstanding. I agree. And in addition to that, I felt that Heda. Was snubbed overall. So this was, if Ruth didn't win it for me, it was Lindsay because the costumes were to die for. They weren't okay. They were absolutely die for. I agree that Frankenstein was phenomenal. So I'm not mad that Kate won. I'm not mad that K one, I just would've, I would've been head of 10 toes down because I do think that that movie got snubbed overall. And when we talk about the Golden Globes, at least they're giving some love to to that movie.

Kathia Woods 12:52

Well, the pro, okay, this is where we get into it, right? There are things that we love and we wish we had more eyeballs. Remember we had this similar conversation for 1,001 for Tiana Taylor, and now Tiana Taylor is getting a lot of the love that she should have gotten for 1,001, right? It's sometimes. I'm gonna say this delicately. We trying to be better. God, we working on it. That campaign matters. I don't know what it is with Amazon, MGM,

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 13:23

it, it does

Kathia Woods 13:24

matter. And they have a point. But they have not had Ha, Tessa, and Nia. Nia is also right now promoting her other film 28 days, right when we needed her. And this is the crux of it, right? We, you needed her to be stateside. Along with Tessa and that whole cast doing more talks and, politicking.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 13:52

I agree.

Kathia Woods 13:52

And that is what is, and again, I'm not, they gotta, they, that team, they gotta tighten up because they were able to do it for American fiction, but somehow for this movie it just was very flat. I tell people that all the time. People keep asking me, who do you think is gonna win best picture? I said, Warner Brothers and is either gonna be sinners or one battle after another because that team, they have told, I don't know if they had a meeting or I don't know how that went, but they told everybody in these two movies, I wanna hear it. You are gonna be available for interviews. You are gonna show up at these FYC events. You are going to smile, you are gonna put on your best fit. We're gonna make sure that the people moderating knowing heck Neon has had the team from secret agent out more Wagner has been crisscrossing. The country. The whole other additional cast members who are in town in Los Angeles for the Golden Globes last night did another q the whole more cast members did a q and a for the secret agent. They're doing one tonight in order to make sure that they make the final count for Oscar nominations and get Wagner in that fifth slot. Neon doesn't have more money than Amazon. They don't, yeah. But they understand a like low key. Let's be honest, a 24 don't got that kind of money. A 24 has been playing with house money since Smashing Machine and really this went$50 million on Marty Supreme, like a 24 is spending money like a house on fire.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 15:26

Yeah. Yeah.

Kathia Woods 15:27

So I'm just saying here you have a studio. Jeff Bezos owns Amazon. MGM that is, that man has the money. What are we doing well

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 15:37

With that? You said a mouthful. We could be on that for forever,

Kathia Woods 15:40

but I'm just saying, I agree with you that the costumes are beautiful, but we can, we, we do our part right, Reggie, you get our ballot and if ballot, if the person's on it, we do a little ride and whatever you have there, but at the end of the day, we can't want it more than the studio.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 15:56

No. It is absolutely true. So that was your one category. What's your second category?

Kathia Woods 16:02

I feel like ca the L one is a new category, which is casting, it is so overdue that we recognize casting directors. It's easy to find the top names, right? It's, that's a no brainer. Michael B. Jordan. Okay. He wrote the thing for Michael B. Jordan. Okay. We got our star, we got the guys gonna play the twins. The fact that she found Miles Canton. Miles. Canton was not an actor. Miles Canton was a singer and he was working his way into to making his own project. He was singing background for her. Nothing wrong with that.'cause a lot of good people got their start singing background. He's also 20 I don't know why I thought he was 25, but he's still super, super young.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 16:46

Right?

Kathia Woods 16:47

Hence we were able to vote for him for a young actor. But I'm like, how did she put it together? And he said that the audition was not the best audition, but how did she put it together that this. Sammy and he didn't play blue steel guitar, so all these other things, but she saw something in that young man. That's what a good casting director does agree to also take. Who me, who we've been saying has been doing the Good Lord's work, she's gonna be this. Then to take the great, there are a lot of people in sinners that we know, for lack of a better word, have been black famous people that we know. Omar Miller is another one. Be out here. But then also say, okay, we need some polish, we need some seniority in there. Delroy Lindo. And then again, these the gentleman who was the Asian gentleman, he's from Malaysia, like for him to have that Louisiana accent and all of that. I really thought homeboy was American. And that takes a great casting director Oh, totally. To see all of that. So I think it is so freaking overdue. Same thing with stunt that we finally are giving casting director. And also for Ryan to be like, he probably, I'm sure at some point he might've said, I don't see it. But if you be, if you are telling me that's something there, let's go with it. So I think casting directors, yeah, it's about time. Like we were so behind on that. So I was happy to see us include that and happy to see the academy. Finding the give stunts and casting Dare shine. Ooh. Not you, not you.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 18:28

All right, so let me talk about my two, my, my two areas are on best production design. And I felt when we look at best production design, I really did feel that the centers I know Hannah already won, but I just thought that sinners had it hands down. I really did. And I am not mad that it's Frankenstein because that, that production design was beautiful. It really was. And when I really look at, when you look at that building and what all the different rooms in the building, and then when she's down in the basement and then when the building kind of crumbles. I, I just think that they did such a good job with that. So I'm not mad at that at all. The different things that needed to happen with sinners in terms of scenes. I just thought that sinners was gonna win that. And I believe sometimes voters are like, well, Hannah already won, but they don't do that. They don't do that for your girl who they keep nominating for best actress every time over and over again. They don't say she already won. They keep putting her up there. Keep putting her up there and hoping that she's gonna win the third or fourth, Oscar. So I just think it's sometimes unfair to have that mentality of, well, she already won. And again, I am not mad at Frankenstein winning because it was a gorgeous, a absolutely gorgeous production design set design.

Kathia Woods 20:07

It's okay to have these discussion and I agree with you. Why is it when it comes to our people, well, this person won once or this person won twice. What, what? And I agree with you. Nobody got this problem when it's somebody that's not melanated. That's what,'cause they do good work. Well, so does I agree. What's your other,

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 20:28

and so then my other one is on makeup. Hair, makeup. I get it. Why Frankenstein won that too. But this is the place that I actually would've given it. And I vo, I voted for the Smashing Machine. The Smashing Machine to me was not that movie that was the best movie of the year quality. But what they did from a hair and makeup perspective, I. If you didn't tell me that was Dwayne the Rock Johnson. I wouldn't have thought that that was Dwayne the Rock Johnson. I just thought even with his castmate and how they dressed her and how she looked and everything, I just thought they did a really good job in terms of making sure that they went back in time and tried to be as accurate as possible back in that time. So I that, those were my two, but I'm not mad at Frankenstein at all because again, when you look at everything that happens with that, it was a good job. Good job. So those are my two.

Kathia Woods 21:26

I did vote for Frankenstein because there were moments in there well, at this point, if you haven't seen it is what it is. Cutting the Jacob overall. Jacob is a very. They're distinctive looking man, but they somehow managed to transform him. Where when you were looking at it, you weren't like, this is Jacob.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 21:53

I agree. I agree.

Kathia Woods 21:54

Do you know what I mean? And obviously, and again, because the makeup is so important, because for the, when he's first introduced, he doesn't say a lot. So he, a lot of his acting has to be physical and he needs the makeup to, for have us believe that this thing is a living thing. Especially as the memories of all the body parts start flooding in his head. But the thing still is, again, we won't go on this journey. The makeup helps, the transformation and the makeup is. Before you had like the stitching and all of that, they were complete different raps.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 22:39

It was good. It was good.

Kathia Woods 22:40

Good. Like I said, it's one of those movies where I don't know about you. There're not, there's not a lot I'm gonna say that I will be watching again, but Frank says a movie I've seen more than once and I've thoroughly enjoyed and learned new things, especially when we switch from Victor to the Creature. I, and it's been like, oh, okay, I didn't pick this up before because you're it's such a visual tantalizing palette.'cause one thing Guillermo's gonna do, he's gonna give you some drama, some visual drama. Yeah. He's gonna, he's gonna pull you in. So I do, I'm okay with that, but I not mad at your point of view at all.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 23:21

Okay. I, what I'll say about Frankenstein for me, just as a movie to, to rewatch is that one of the things. The reason I would watch that movie is because it is visually stunning. I really didn't care about the characters. I didn't walk away with this deep feeling about what was, who, who was gonna survive and where they were gonna live and what was going to happen to'em. I, it I just wasn't there. I didn't get that invested in it. However, I really did feel that the take was different. It was unique, it looked good, and that it's worthy of a Critic's Choice Awards nomination. That it was one of those movies absolutely worthy of that and worthy of any other nominations that they get after that. That'll be my thought on that. Let's get into some of the be before we get to big picture, to the best picture one. Let's get into some of the other ones real quick and see and. Talk about our thoughts. Best adaptive screenplay. I thought hands down, one battle after another was going to win, and it did. I know that Frankenstein probably was close, but I thought that one battle after another was very original and just a totally different take on something that we've seen before.

Kathia Woods 24:52

I understand the critique of the movie but I also enjoyed it. I still to this day wanna ask, you know, DiCaprio did you keep the bathrobe? I talked to Benicio Delto a little bit about, I love the scene, but Bob is blending around and he just pulls up. He's like, come on Bob, we don't got time for this. Get in the car. So I think it is really amazing. You know what I mean? Again, I. I absolutely. Did enjoy the movie

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 25:20

And then we get to best original screenplay. I voted for Sinners. I thought sinners would win. I'm not really sure of all the other films, in my opinion that they rise to best original screenplay. Marty Supreme was interesting. J Kelly was okay to, to me. Maybe weapons might have risen to that, but I knew that Center I, this is what I thought was gonna happen from our organization. I felt that our organization was going to give him best original screenplay, and that was gonna be it. He would not rise to best director, best pitcher, that this would be the consolation prize or the prize from our organization that they would say, yeah, it was good, but only as the original screenplay. And it got that. And I think that they were like, good, so Senators got their due. Let's go ahead and move on. So that's my thought.

Kathia Woods 26:18

No, I agree with you. I'm gonna do one better for you. The drop for Best director is gonna continue. No black person will continue not win. Best director at this Year's Academy Awards. The D, we talk about all these other categories, but who's gonna have courage and talk about the fact that in the 90 plus years of the academy, no black person has won. Best director, no black person has won. Best director to DGA, including Spike Lee. Not John Singleton. They gave Spike Lee a whole lifetime achievement award because they knew that they have f with this man and this is what's gonna happen. So black people prepare yourself. He's going to win Best Origin. He's going to win an Oscar. He might even, because the way that the votes count for best picture. Remember what happened with Moonlight, that one bat after another might erase itself out with another film and Sinners can't sneak in. He might even win one as a producer for Best Picture. It might be one of those things where we're Barry, right? Well, he'll walk away with two awards, but one of those awards will not be best director.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 27:34

Yeah.

Kathia Woods 27:35

So prepare yourself. Just like Spike Lee won for it's the game that they play to say, let's give him something so they don't drag us, but we not gonna give him and let this man make history. I do think. If anybody's gonna break through as best director, it's gonna be Ryan Kogler. It might take him 5, 6, 7, 8 tries, but it is, there's something funky over there at the DGA and nobody wants to talk about it.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 28:02

I think that, firstly, I'm really happy that you brought in Best Director because that's the next category that I was gonna bring in. What I do think is because these young men are so young that Brian Coogler will not get the Spike Lee treatment, meaning that once Spike Lee gets into the sixties, that he's trying that, that they that're going to acknowledge like that this guy was actually good. I think that because Ryan and his partner in crime, Michael B. Jordan, are young guys, that they're gonna. Put out some more great work and eventually he is going to be able to break through. But this year, who broke through was Paul Thomas Anderson and he won for one battle after another. That was Ryan Coogler for Sinners. Guillermo de Toro for Frankenstein. Jadi for Marty Supreme, Joaquin Trier for sentimental value, and Chloe Z for Hamnet.

Kathia Woods 29:00

I think it's gonna, it's gonna be everybody and either Chloe or Joaquin is gonna drop. This is gonna be, now here's what I will say. Don't be surprised if Claver might make the five, because as we have had various discussions, have been listening to the show, the academy itself has gotten very international.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 29:23

That's right.

Kathia Woods 29:24

So that body has gotten Fernanda in to the five. Don't be surprised if sentimental value rebounds. The academy. I'm very surprised that, that SAG is in itself Barda because they left off Regina King that year and she still went on to sweep everything else, win the Oscar. But I think we gotta, we again, the ignorance that we have to get outta this comfort zone and understand that some of the best films are, that are being made are not in English. And the crazy part is Wagner Moore is a SAG member'cause he's been, since he started working on Narcos, which is an American production he was in Dope Thieves. Then also stealing, Scarsdale has been working in American television and film for forever. He's a SAG member. So I don't even wanna hear that stuff. Well, I sag members. I sag members.'cause they are, and again, i, it just, there's a disconnect and an ignorance, and I feel like it's like a last little stronghold of the bitter old men in white men in Hollywood to hold onto their power as the world is becoming more and more diverse. This is like their last stance, to hold on.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 30:43

I also think that they might not be thinking about the American audience, but the reality is that our American audience, we're not watching international films. That's just the reality of it. I talk to a lot of people who are very resistant in watching films where they have to read subtitles and. And I'm not excusing that. I am saying though, that if the awards are American awards and you are catering to that audience, I don't know if they're trying to cater to that audience, but if you are catering to that audience, you are reflecting the sentiments of a lot of Americans who are like it doesn't matter whether it's Spanish, French, Brazilian, it doesn't really matter that I have to work really hard to watch a foreign film. And I'm gonna echo a little, a a part of that is that when I watch international films, I cannot do anything else. I can't put the movie on, make myself some bacon and eggs because I am going to miss something that is on the screen telling me what they said. It is harder or more intense to watch an international film. Am I saying don't watch an international film? That's not what I'm saying. I'm just talking about the reality that you, if you really wanna understand what's happening in international film and it has subtitles, you cannot do anything else. I can watch the Smashing Machine and make me some eggs and bacon,

Kathia Woods 32:25

make eggs while watching a smashing machine, but that's a whole different conversation. I just think that. I just, I don't necessarily, I think a good movie's a good movie sometimes when I'm watching an English language film. I wish it was in another language. Maybe it would be better. But if we're gonna have that thinking, then Americans shouldn't be able to be out for awards at the BAFTA awards.'cause that is, I,

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 32:52

that's not my thinking though. I'm just,

Kathia Woods 32:53

I'm just saying, I'm like, we can't, I'm not saying you are wrong. Right. But if we don't go down that road, then you can't be a con, you can't be a Venice, you can't be at any of these other international film festivals that are not based in the United States. So you can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't take your butt over there to Venice and stand with the standing ov standing ovations and be like, and over that con and be like, and let them people give you an award. No, stay home. So I'm just saying I feel a lot of people. Want it their way. I'm not saying what you're bringing up is a very valid point. It is something that I fight with my readers. I'm people that I know that are failing to, I'm not watching it'cause I'm not reading and I'm just like, by God. But I do also feel like you can't say you don't want that, but you over there on, on the other side of the world and you take the coin from people who don't speak English that support your work.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 33:59

Right.

Kathia Woods 33:59

That the conundrum like you and I can't say Mexico, we don't want your money. Don't go see our movie. You can't go to Sweden. We don't want your money. All of that counts in your coffin. We all we know, right? Now we know that a movie that opens up in China, that does well in China, that can make or break. It can it, it can fall to here in the United States, but if it does well in China or in Asia as a whole. That can put the movie from red into black. So I just feel like

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 34:32

Absolutely. But it's so

Kathia Woods 34:33

better conversation about it.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 34:35

It's so nuanced though, and you're bringing up some of the nuances that it's not like Americans are the only people who are biased, however, is that, that when Maryanne John Baptist did what's the film? Harr Hart, we didn't value that film here. Like I thought we should value because her performance was unbelievable. But the Brits, they valued that over many American performances. I'm not saying it's right, but I'm really happy that they did. I'm glad that they were biased. They were like, look, we are gonna look at our British actors. We are gonna talk about our British actors and we are gonna, we are probably gonna give our awards. Many of our awards to our British actors. I'm not saying that you have to do that, but America, you get, I mean, the Americans are not the only people who have a proclivity to their actors, their work and the stuff that they put out into the marketplace.

Kathia Woods 35:44

No, and I agree as they, the Brits have a strong history in in, in theater, have a strong history in cinema, and they have every right to, because some of the best actors of our lifetime have come from that place. You know what I mean? And I, for one, was disappointed that she didn't get more love because what she did in her truth she played a very unlikable lady having, I understand her. We all probably were like, girl, like you, the problem, right? But we also understood why she was the way she was. She was broken. And she was ha she was crashing out to put it in plain English. So we understand, but to play someone so unlikable and make us care, that takes talent. Yeah. You work my, I wouldn't want you over my house. I wouldn't want you to be my neighbor, but I understand this was a woman in pain and no one said, how can I help you? They just dismissed her as being a bitter old lady. No one took the time out to say, okay, when did we become, when did you become this lady? What happened? What was the catalyst and how can we get to the root of why you being this insane woman?

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 37:04

Yeah. No good stuff. Good stuff. We strayed a little bit, but I think we had to, I think it was important and I wanna get to best supporting actress. Amy Madigan won for weapons, and I believe before you say anything, I believe that Katia Woods that I know was like, yeah, she should have won for weapons. I voted for ney over Tiana, and it was hard. It was a tough vote for me. Hate that.

Kathia Woods 37:31

I know. It's so,

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 37:32

it was a tough, it was a tough vote for me because, but everything that I saw, and I saw sinners three, maybe four times. I think I saw sinners four times. This woman carried that movie. She was the anchor of the movie. I know she wasn't in every scene, but the heart and soul, that soul of the movie, I felt lied with her. And so I voted for her. I thought she was worthy. So I'd be very interested to hear your whole take on the category and what you thought.

Kathia Woods 38:09

Oh, it was tough. I, okay. I think Amy Madigan is one of those women that has been doing the Good Lord's work too for a while. She's an outta this world actress. I can, and she played this very unique character. And sometimes, again, in this business, when we don't give people their flowers and they still happen to be around, we're like, oh, damn. Let's do it before, God forbid.'cause the way the world has been working, right? Let's give this lady her flowers. I, I voted for Tiana and that was so hard and I really was like, oh, hip sun from my ballot right before I turned it into a mess and it gets scratched out. And people before the CCA would've been like, girl, what you doing? What's going on with this ballot? It's given confused. It's given. This is your first time it's given. You don't know what the hell you are doing and you need to pick a struggle. But I'm also very happy for Wmi, who's been doing really great work, but she's been like a good background dancer and we all know she should be in the front. But for whatever reason, they always seem to go, there always seems to be somebody that might have, that they think has a better step. And I feel like with Sinners, Ryan gave her that this beautiful woman, this beautiful, gorgeous woman, and also that New York magazine cover with her and that black Woo fire and. The fact that he saw her, she said she was seven months postpartum after having had a baby. And that's a vulnerable time for a woman. And to work with a director that didn't ask her to, you know how it will be like you know how high it'll be. Like, so you wanna lose 30 pounds, we need you to do it by next week. And then he didn't do that to her and he allowed her to show up as herself and the scenes and just to have a woman that is in that body. And it's sad that we even have to say that to be desired by a Michael B. Jordan.'cause you know, there were some people out there, we not going to name names that were like in the real world. He would never shut up. Shut up. Nobody

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 40:19

asked. I did not see that. I did not see that. And

Kathia Woods 40:21

I'm like, he, there is so much beauty in their scenes together, the heartbreak that he loves her. So much and that he, the heartbreak of losing a child and, because men aren't allowed to be vulnerable and to voice their pain, he needed to separate himself from the situation or he would've even been more broken. And her kind of like leaning in and saying, I understand. I forgive you. I love you.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 40:54

I love this one scene. I love this one scene with the two of them where he asked how come she hadn't been doing the Voodoo on him? And she said, I have been.

Kathia Woods 41:08

What makes you think that you, why? Why do you think you got here? How do you think you've still been alive? And he was like, oh, damn. I was like, I know. That's right.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 41:15

See, like Uhuh Uhuh, you, you don't understand. I've been doing my job on my side.

Kathia Woods 41:21

I, I've been praying. How do you think you survived? You done ran outta Chicago with some somebody else's booze and all of that. How do you think you still stand above ground? That that's me. That, but that's black women praying over our men and all this other good stuff. But yet that's a lot of good, good stuff. But I do think you know, like sometimes you look at something when somebody wins, when you go what, what was happening here?

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 41:41

Yeah.

Kathia Woods 41:42

Again, I mean, understanding who our members are, right? I was not surprised, disappointed, but not surprised. And I also think this is the bad part. We just talked about it. I also think that. Amongst us black voters. Woo. Me and Tiana might have canceled each other, I

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 41:58

think. I think that's what happened. And so I was going to vote Tiana because I felt that everybody else that I knew would vote for her, but my heart kept telling me I had to vote for wom.

Kathia Woods 42:14

That's fine. And we all do that. We it's way better than having to hold your nose and vote for the least of all evil.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 42:20

Oh, e either one of them though. It was so tight for me. I to which one of them. But I do think that they probably did cancel each other out. All right, let's move on to our next subject. Let's go to Best Supporting Actor. And I thought for sure that someone from one Battle after another was going to win this award. I. I think that people undervalue, devalue the performance that Benicio Del Toro did in this film. He seems like he's an extra character, but he's not. He is so critical to this film and the way he plays this character is fun, is interesting, is irreverent. I, he got me. I'm just saying. And then you throw Sean Penn on there. I could not stand this character. It was that walk in and of itself should have won him a, an award. Am I mad that Jacob won that one? No, I'm not mad, but I really did think that either Sean or Benicio would've won that particular award. Thoughts?

Kathia Woods 43:38

Benicio. Also, we forget, Benicio is an Oscar, two times Oscar winner. We forget that he's in one of my all favorite movies and it's hard to watch now. The Usual Suspects, but Benicio is a two time Oscar winner. So is it one of those things, and also Benicio, sometimes when he plays these characters, it looks like it's so easy.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 44:05

It does.

Kathia Woods 44:05

But that's the beauty of being good. People are like, oh, he is. It's easy, right? Not understanding that it takes'cause Bob is so erratic, right? They both can't be cray crave that he is. He gotta be the one to break through as crazy,'cause every time Bob, he's not answering the question on the phone. So he finally does, and then he does all of this and he's running here and he followed the building and all this stuff. And he is just not phased by Bob being crazy, just when he ran in there in the bathroom, sunset. Sunset. And he's like, okay, okay. Alright, let's, okay. So

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 44:48

what I hear you saying though,

Kathia Woods 44:50

takes a lot of effort to not break character and laugh because we, the audience are laughing at the antics of, you know, the caprio, whereas he's gotta play the straight man to the Joker. So I think. Because he does such a good job. A lot of people. And also Benicio Del Toro person as a person, he's very he's just cool, right? Yes. Cool. So people just say, oh, well it's just Benicio being benicio, not understanding that there is a performance there.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 45:21

Yeah. So what I hear you saying is that because Sean Penn won two and because Benicio won two, that there, they did what we were just talking about with regard to Hannah Beachler. She already won, let's go in another direction, and in the other direction they went is not someone who was not deserving, but they went in another direction. Is that what I hear you saying?

Kathia Woods 45:48

Okay, let me correct myself. He has won Academy Award. He's been nominated twice. He'll get nominated for this, right? He is, he was nominated for he won. For traffic he was nominated for. Why did I think he won For the usual Suspects?

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 46:09

Oh, okay.

Kathia Woods 46:10

He didn't, but he no, you know what the other dude did and then he was nominated for 21 grams. But the point that I'm making is he is somebody that has been given his critical acclaim. But he is that, again, this is what we talk about when it's somebody no nominated, they don't look at it that way. And I also do think. For Jacob. A lot of people had very low expectations because he's this guy that came on the scene as being this heart drop this guy that's very attractive. I by that, and they had low hanging expectation. That's like, oh, how is he gonna play the creature? How is he gonna do that? He's just a guy. That's cute because in Saltburn he still played somebody that is attractive. That's why homeboy was obsessed with him. Whereas with this, people were like, damn, that is Jacob. Oh my God. Like he can act. So I do think people kind of went that way. But I agree with you. I think what beneath you? I voted for. Benicio, I think Benicio is incredible and incredible. Like it absolutely, because to play the straight person to not break character, and I'm sure he laughed a couple of times, but Leonardo is running around being just all types of crazy. Takes a lot of talent.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 47:39

Well, we have three more categories I'd like to get in, and the first one is Best actor and Timothy Chala May won my vote. Went to Michael B. Jordan. I had been saying he played two characters and then I started listening to other people. I listened to some other folks who were like, no, no, no. I think Ryan said it. He played two and a half characters. Somebody else said that he played three characters. I just don't know if we'll see a performance like this again. I just don't know if we'll see a performance like this again for Michael B. Jordan, I thought Tim Timothy Chalamet did a really good job in this film. I just didn't think that it was at the same level of Michael b Jordan's performance and it, and quiet as is. It kept Joel Eggerton. What he did with Train Dreams was really, really good. And again, I don't think that it was at the level of a Michael B. Jordan, but I could have seen Joel winning over a Timothy Shamima. This is no shade to Shamima because Shaima is good. I like his work. I think he, man, I mean he goes all in. So kudos to what he did with this film and what he did with this character. But Michael B. Jordan, his role, I don't, I think was unmatched and it's just superior.

Kathia Woods 49:05

Can we elaborate when people go, oh, you have to say he played two people. Yes. They're twins, but they're two separate individuals that have two separate nuances. They weren't, it wasn't cut, rinse, repeat. They are two. One is more withdrawn. The other one is more outward and colorful. He had to play sorrow and loss in two and explain that in two different bodies. So I agree that people, when people say he played two people, they need to elaborate a little bit more.'cause some people are like, oh, we want him to be rewarded for just playing two people. No, he played two individuals. That's the thing. And the movie doesn't, we don't have a movie without the Stax twins.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 50:00

So can I jump in for s.

Kathia Woods 50:03

Can I just, I wanna finish this. The reason why the gang got back together, for lack of a better word, is because the stacked twins came back to town, period. Go.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 50:13

The p piece that I want to jump in is that, I'm really glad that you made sure to clarify that he played these two distinct characters, is that I don't read much before I go to a movie, so I did not know that Michael B. Jordan was playing the stacked twins when I saw the movie. And right in the beginning, I did not know that I was looking at two Michael b Jordans. It took me a minute. I don't mean like 10 minutes into the film, but it might have been five minutes into the film. I'm like, oh, Michael B. Jordan playing both of these people. That's how good he was to me, is that it took me a minute to realize that he was playing two distinct separate characters. I just thought it was masterful and. He did it in a way that made me have feelings for both of those characters. So you were going on, but I wanted to jump in and say

Kathia Woods 51:11

No. That's really what I wanted to say. I was like, we don't have a movie without the StockX twins. That's how you got the Asian people to come to make the sign. Okay, it's for you. It's last minute. That's how we got Omar to leave the sharecropping field. Miles. Sammy wouldn't have left Mississippi and dreamt and became the blue star that he became if it wasn't for the sax twins, because they inspired him in spite of the tragedy that you have to live your full life. You can't let fear lead you. You have to, even Mary, Mary came back to bear her mom, but she still had roots there. She didn't get on the train. Delroy was like, man I gotta sing for them white people, but man, it would be sure nice to sing for them black folks. So is just all of that, they all the reason again, the gang got back together. And most importantly, he played two black men in a segregated Mississippi, even though they filmed this in Louisiana that didn't bend the need of white people. That

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 52:25

pheno. Phenomenal film. Phenomenal film.

Kathia Woods 52:27

Again, we don't go on this journey with that. And again, they're in that scene where he's sharing a cigarette, right? And they're having to talk. He's gotta, yes, we're twins and we have similarities, but we, the dialogue, we gotta believe that it's the one person saying what they're saying. Skeptical, being like cautious. The other one is like, man, it's gonna be cool. That conversation is all him. So how are you gonna sit there and go, oh, it's no big deal. Somebody, and I'm not gonna say names'cause you know, we are trying to keep it cute. Somebody said Lindsey Lone played two people in the parent trap. You comparing the parent trap with sin, are you dumb? Yeah,

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 53:16

I'm there

Kathia Woods 53:17

And I agree. My second person was not Timothy Charman. Was Joe Eggerton in Train Dreams. I'm gonna be honest with you, is this a safe place? I did not like Marty Supreme. Marty.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 53:28

Oh I didn't like, I didn't like Marty Supreme either, but I did like, and again, I did like the ping pong balls that they sent us.

Kathia Woods 53:35

Yeah. But I also, I'm gonna say is yes, absolutely is Timothy Charlemagne talented and I would like to see him do something a little bit different, but I do think to say that Michael B. Jordan wasn't good. Like everything that people criticized him for just doing these action brainless movies or just taking off his shirt, just being cute. And he had to change his physicality'cause he went from making Creed to making this. That's right. So he was super cut for Creed. That's the other part. People don't know. So he had to change his body because it wouldn't have worked. Him playing the stacked twins all swoop, you would been like, Ooh, this something's off here. Right.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 54:16

No, no, no doubt. No doubt. Let's move on to Best. So we did Best actor, we did Best Actress. Oh, no, we didn't. Did we do Best Actress? Yeah, we,

Kathia Woods 54:26

but we all knew that if, to me, this is where the race is, right? Jesse's gonna win. She's gonna sweep award season, and if Jesse doesn't win something, then Rose deserves to win for her performance. And if I had legs, I'd kick'cause she was bald. She was really, that to me is my favorite. A 24 movie. I'm like a 24 mo. I put all their money behind these other two projects. But if I had legs, I'd kick is their best project.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 54:52

I felt I felt that I liked Jesse's performance and him that, and so I, I was fine with that at, at all. I was also fine with the fact that Emma did not win. That in that category.

Kathia Woods 55:07

Oh, dear God, I probably get a break.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 55:10

I, from that

Kathia Woods 55:10

partnership,

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 55:11

I have nothing personally, I want to be on

Kathia Woods 55:14

this. I think, I probably think, I feel like Emma probably will be a fun girl to hang out with, but some of her work just does not weak speak to me. I nothing against her. She seems like a fun girl. Yeah.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 55:26

But yeah this piece of work did not speak to me. So we're at the last one, which is actually putting us on time for our first year podcast. We can wrap it all up is for best picture, you said that you thought that the winner of Best Picture would be Warner Brothers. Hmm. Let's see. What films were Warner Brothers Films? Let's see, one Battle after another was a Warner Brothers film and oh Sinners was a Warner Brothers film. I guess those are only two. So you thought the race was between one battle after another and centers, and I thought that our organization would app. I felt that our organization was absolutely not going to give it to sinners. Which it sounds like I am so biased here. I am biased in that it was the movie that stood out among all the other movies for me this year. It just was, it stood out. Oh, did it stand out? Because it was a black film? No, but did it stand out? Because it resonated with me. Culturally, yes. Did it stand out because of the acting, The ensemble cast? The casting, the. The cinematography, all the things that go into a movie. Absolutely, yes. And I thought by Far Sinners was the best film. However, I'm not mad that one battle after another one because I got to see Tiana and the crew go up on the stage and be ecstatic about that win best picture. So that's what you, any thoughts?

Kathia Woods 57:15

We knew it was gonna be what a Warner Brothers picture. I voted I voted for sinners. But you know, again, we knew that the Warners team, I said to Stacy, who our friend, I said, if I'm on the Warner Brothers team, would you if like she's on the Warner Brothers Awards team. I said, I hope you guys as in good g have a dinner back going. Whoever side wins best picture has to take the other side afterwards, season out for dinner. She goes, that's a great idea. I said, because it's really you guys' show and everybody is just along for the ride.

Rant & Rave: Golden Globes Predictions

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 57:52

Yeah. That's really it as it relates to the Critic's Choice Awards. We did it in a good amount of time. I thought maybe what we could do as we're closing that in our last segment, is just pick a couple of films that we do think that will, or categories that we'll think we'll win the in the Golden Globes, which are coming up. And so I'm gonna pick two categories and you can pick two as well. But I'm gonna pick my two categories as it relates to Best Motion picture not best Motion Picture Drama is gonna be the first one that I'm gonna pick. The nominations are Frankenstein, hamnet. It was just an accident. Sentimental values centers and the secret agent. I think we're gonna get a surprise and it's going to be the secret agent.

Kathia Woods 58:46

I think the secret agent is really soaring.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 58:51

I think. I think we're gonna get a surprise. It's gonna be a secret agent.

Kathia Woods 58:54

I, I think the, it's like the little engine that could, you wanna talk about a right time to peak. That movie's peaking at the right time.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 59:03

Then I want, I have one more category that I want do and I wanna do best performance by a male actor in a motion picture drama. I think Michael B. Jordan is going to win. I'm gonna do this when I look at his competition, the people who I think have a real shot of beating him out. You think it might be Wagner, but I think the people who have a real shot at the Golden Globes of beating him out are Joel and Oscar. And I think that Michael B. Jordan is gonna edge this one out and win the Golden Globe.

Kathia Woods 59:40

I wouldn't even go so far. Last year, Fernanda came out of nowhere. The Golden Globes always throw a monkey ridge on day one, one year. So I wouldn't be surprised if you might even see Wagner Mora up there.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 59:54

Okay. All right. All right.

Kathia Woods 59:56

That's the one thing I will say about the Golden Globes. They're gonna be like, I'm gonna tell you something else. Cynthia Vo is not making this awards round. She's doing a play. I think she's doing Dracula. She's nominated and best lead Variety had Ariana Grande winning best supporting actress. She's not winning that movie. Like that movie is dead on arrival.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 1:00:22

So you have your two categories. You have your two categories to talk about. So that means that your first ca the category is gonna be best support, best performance by a female actor in a motion picture drama. Who do you think is gonna win that?

Kathia Woods 1:00:39

Oh, I do think Jesse's gonna win. I do think Jesse Jessie has the wind beneath her sail. It is such a I think it is one of those movies that, it just, yeah, I do think that it is, something that, that stays with you,

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 1:00:56

but tell me that Heda doesn't What te I,

Kathia Woods 1:01:00

I'm gonna say this to you again. I'm with you in if we're just talking performances, and I'm glad that she was recognized. Because she deserves she's an amazing young actress. But remember what I said before, the campaign was not good. And you need a team. Like all this time we always say especially now that we are in a voting body, now that we have ha gotten to see some more of the behind the scenes. Before we'd be sitting at the house, we'd go, I don't understand how this. Now we see it. That's how work sometimes that there, there's several best picture winners. We never gonna talk about it again, we're gonna talk about everybody in the runner up, right? But it's like running for office. The best candidate doesn't always win. This is how we end up. We are like, how the hell did so and so win this office? It's the person that knows how to campaign, that knows how to put on the persona, knows how to strike the right tone. And you need campaign managers that, that understand how to spin and all this other stuff that have the connection to get you in the right publications, to get you in front of the right microphones and all of that. And I don't know, were you with us a couple years back for Dolomite where we went to a screening up in the I

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 1:02:24

did not get to go with you guys with Dolomite.

Kathia Woods 1:02:26

I did I tell you that right there told me everything I needed to know. This was like so secretive. We didn't get the address for the place. We had to sign something, I believe, until after the screening to order the Uber and we had to go to the top of the hill. To this day, I don't, I can't tell you where that house is if you put a gun to my head. But when you walked in. We were the only thing of color at that screening. The AFCA members for an Eddie Murphy movie. It was Golden Globe members, it was academy members. It was very informal. That infamous White Couch, my fellow AFCA members, if'cause none of us sat in that couch. That was the setup. The screening room was gorgeous. I don't know whose house it was, but that's where a lot of this stuff happened. And then after we saw the movie Eddie Murphy, it's like the car pulled up. Eddie Murphy was ushered in. That's where I got my picture with Eddie Murphy. And people got to, he pressed the flesh and he was walking around with security, of course.'cause it's little Eddie Murphy, all these people. But that's where a lot of this happens. And if you are not being put in rooms like that, it takes other actors who are gonna say, Hey, I'm gonna show film. At the house you need to come through, right? Like Brad Pitt did for Regina King. All of that is necessary. The performance, yeah, it's easier to sell something when the performance is good, but you also need all that politicking happen on when we are staying at the Four Seasons. When we're at the W, you see the people gathering at the pool, or you see all these different people having lunch in the different corners. That's where the politicking is happening, and I just don't feel that Amazon, MGM spent the money and did enough politicking for Nia and Tessa, and this is why she's falling through the cracks and it breaks my heart. But you are right. Just on performance, just on, forget all the other crap. She deserves to be there.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 1:04:33

She, this was her best performance period. Yeah. I, she just killed it. I'd like to like for you to speak on one last category before we get outta here. And I like for you, because you mentioned Ariana Grande and she showed up at the Golden Globe at, she showed up at the Critics Choice Awards. She looked marvelous, by the way. Yeah. Best performance by a female actor and a supporting role in any motion picture we have Amy Madigan for weapons. Ariana Grande for Wicked for Good. L Fanning for sentimental value. Emily Blunt, the Smashing Machine. Inga is a dotter Lilia I

Kathia Woods 1:05:08

for sentimental value.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 1:05:10

For sentimental value. And Tiana Taylor for one battle after another. Who is your choice?

Kathia Woods 1:05:18

I wouldn't be surprised if Amy wins or even like I said, is the Golden Globes are more, or if Tiana will have her moment, the Golden Globes are a little bit more open in that way. It's less members and they have gotten more diversified. So don't be surprised if Tiana walks across that stage. I don't think it will be Ariana Grande. I think that that campaign was dead on arrival, on a money move to make a second movie. Yes. On a creative awards move. That was not the best decision.

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 1:05:51

All

Kathia Woods 1:05:51

And you know this because Sean didn't get nominated for Best Director for the first one. This one. Really I was like, he not gonna make that, that's even in that second tier of directors. There's four guys ahead of him. So no, it's gonna, it's gonna be a rough road for Wicked for good.

Closing & Contacts

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 1:06:06

All right, we're gonna close out our first show of the year. I'd like to know where, if at all, can people see some of your predictions? Because there's so many predictions out here. We're gonna have the Golden Globe Sag After Baptist and the Oscars. Is there a place that people can see your predictions?

Kathia Woods 1:06:25

You can see all my rant things about this on a couple social.com. And then I've been doing some reporting for the Philadelphia tribune@thephillytrip.com, where you can also read some of my thoughts. Where can the people find you, Reggie Ponder?

Reggie Ponder, The Reel Critic 1:06:40

Well, you can find me@theatindigo.com. I am. Doing some reviews there and then I'm running the circuit right now looking for other places to, to talk about this award season. So you'll see me on some serious XM things and some other places, but I'll keep you guys posted and you can always go to reggie ponder.com. From a social media perspective, you can always find me at the real critic on most social media platforms. Hey, that's our show. We will be back'cause we have more awards stuff to talk about. And if you like to hear us talk about awards, we'll actually have some of our friends come in and talk about these awards as well because there'll be some different perspectives as well With that's our show and we'll see you next time.

Kathia Woods 1:07:28

See you next time.