S2 E6: From NBA Playoffs To A Mother’s Day 10K

Esteban starts with zero chill about the Toronto Raptors, and honestly, it’s the kind of playoff frustration every NBA fan recognizes. We talk about what went wrong when the games actually mattered, why a thin supporting cast gets exposed in a Game 7, and what a real rebuild could look like if you’re willing to have the uncomfortable conversations. If you love basketball analysis, roster debates, and the emotional roller coaster of being a fan, you’ll feel seen. 

Then Mother’s Day takes a turn we didn’t expect: Maria and Esteban run the Sporting Life 10K together. We unpack the soreness, the mental grind of continuous distance running, and the one moment every runner chases when you finally “hit your stride.” Esteban connects it back to basketball in a way that makes it click, and he drops a simple tip that applies to training, work, and life: when you find momentum, protect it. 

The heart of the story is what happens on the course when a kid runs ahead and doesn’t look back. Maria shares a parenting memory from toddlerhood and explains why that split-second felt like pride and loss at the same time. We also go deeper with a Mother’s Day Q&A on what we want most for a child, what we’d pass down, and the lesson Maria learned after years of motherhood: keep an identity outside your child, because independence is the whole point. 

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Transcript

Welcome To Hoops And Crumbs

SPEAKER_01 0:01

Welcome to Hoops and Crumbs with the Browns, the podcast where life lessons are baked in like chocolate chips. I'm Maria Brown.

SPEAKER_00 0:09

And I'm Esteban Brown. Together, we're talking basketball, life, and everything in between. Whether we're dunking on the court or in the milk, there's always something cooking. So grab a snack and tune in.

SPEAKER_01 0:22

See, why are you laughing?

SPEAKER_00 0:24

I don't know. I don't know.

Raptors Frustration And Rebuild Ideas

SPEAKER_01 0:26

Well, welcome everyone to season two, episode seven. We're gonna be doing a Mother's Day recap. But before we talk Mother's Day, should we talk Raptors? No. But the NBA is deep in playoffs right now.

SPEAKER_00 0:45

But the Raptors aren't. We're deep in Cancun. We're deep on vacation.

SPEAKER_01 0:52

What happened?

SPEAKER_00 0:56

Shoot. Brandon Ingram wasn't who we thought he was. He was a different animal and a different beast. He went from 20 in the regular season to eight in the playoffs. He just he pooped his pants. And then we did have a man quickly. Yakapurle was who I thought he was. A fraud.

unknown 1:18

Oh jeez.

SPEAKER_00 1:20

A guy that can't really play defense, can't move his feet laterally, can't move his feet vertically. He's just a big thing in the paint. A seven foot tall thing standing around.

SPEAKER_01 1:33

Oh man.

SPEAKER_00 1:33

But he's kind of daft, so he doesn't really do much. And that's what we saw. Wouldn't Jared Allen have 20 rebounds on him in game seven? Like, bro, come on. You couldn't get five rebounds to save your life.

SPEAKER_01 1:45

Oh, geez.

SPEAKER_00 1:46

It was bad. All we had. We had Scotty out there doing his thing. RJ was out there doing his thing. Colin Murray Bulls was out there doing his thing. Jacoby was out there doing his thing. There were guys out there doing their thing. Jamal Shed out there doing their thing. And then no one else. They had no supporting cast. Like, even RJ Barrett, I can't confidently say he was 100% the entire time. Because game seven, he shot 28% from the field. Like, bro. You're supposed to be the co-star of this team. You're supposed to be like the guy that steps up and you shot 28% in a close-out game seven. And it was like straight back down floaters on a defensive player of the year candidate. Like, what are you what are you doing, bro? Like, I just think there could have been some more moves. I already talked about this with my dad and my uncles in the Raptors chat, but uh man, I've I it took me like three days to make an entire Raptors rebuild ghoul document, like a three-page document talking about what I think the Raptors need to do to rebuild, come back stronger next season. It it involves trading some guys that people might not want to trade. It involves some talks that people might not want to speak of, but it's gotta happen.

SPEAKER_01 2:51

So it's safe to say you've got some feelings on the topic.

SPEAKER_00 2:54

Uh, definitely, definitely.

SPEAKER_01 2:56

Well, if that rant doesn't get us more downloads, who knows what's gonna help? But just as an FYI, Ezzy, we've been downloaded in many different parts of the world, 36 countries in total, 122 cities. So somewhere in there, there's a fan of some of those guys that you think need to step up. So it'll be very interesting to see what they think of your ideas on a rebrand and a rebuild.

SPEAKER_00 3:22

Yeah, I mean, I don't know, I don't know because you're the one that has all the download lists. But if anybody's out there listening from Austria, tell you tell your man's Jakapuro he needs to step up. Oh, jeez. Tell him not to re-sign that contract, tell him to stay away for the summer.

SPEAKER_01 3:38

Okay, well, hopefully it doesn't reach Austria because it definitely hasn't yet, but that just might be the tipping point.

SPEAKER_00 3:45

Yeah.

Global Downloads And Friendly Trash Talk

SPEAKER_01 3:46

Well, switching gears.

SPEAKER_00 3:47

Any any Georgians in the chat, congrats, Sandju Mamakalishvili. You're taking you're taking a spot in my heart.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

So funny. Well, switching gears.

Soreness After Practice And Race Day

SPEAKER_01 3:56

How's your body feeling today, young man?

SPEAKER_00 3:59

Uh I mean, practice, it was rough because uh we we also were doing some crazy stuff in practice, like it got bad. But then I don't know, after I got home, laid down, ate some dinner, showered, my body kind of just feels the same as it always does. Like it it sounds I don't know what the word would be, like not not pretentious, but maybe kind of. But like to say, like my body's kind of always sore, it's something I always have to deal with. Because like I we just go through so many workouts we work out five days a week, straight, straight pain, straight gain.

SPEAKER_01 4:38

Is there an a reason in particular why you would feel more sore today than other days?

SPEAKER_00 4:45

Well, I don't know. Let's go over our our our events of yesterday. So we woke up pretty early, but you know, I'm kind of used to waking up early at this point. Didn't eat breakfast, so maybe that could be why. In between breakfast and lunch, we did run a 10K. And then lunch, we kind of filled up on a sunset grill, so I don't know. It might have been one of the three things I just listed there. It might have been missing breakfast or running the 10K might have hurt a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 5:20

For any of our friends that are listening that don't know, Esteban and I ran a very popular 10K here in our city called the Sporting Life 10K. I was gonna run it by myself, but some strange fluke Esteban was able to run it with me. And I think this was your first 10K ever, huh, bud?

SPEAKER_00 5:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:41

Tell me about it. What do you think?

SPEAKER_00 5:42

Well, it was my first 10K with you.

SPEAKER_01 5:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 5:46

I've done 10Ks with the team. But I've definitely never done them like that.

SPEAKER_01 5:53

As a race.

SPEAKER_00 5:54

Like a one, like a straight no-stop race. I've done it with I've done like laps of 10, like one. One. Like one and a break, one and a break, one and a break. I've done that, and I've done like two in a break.

unknown 6:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:07

But I've never done like 10 straight racing first to the finish line wins.

SPEAKER_01 6:12

Ten continuous laps.

SPEAKER_00 6:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:14

Uh and what did you think?

Finding Your Stride And Staying There

SPEAKER_00 6:16

It took me a minute to get into it, but then once I like once that little kick hits in, I like if you haven't run, you have to if you don't run, you have to kind of understand it. Like, it's hard to explain. But there's a certain feeling you get when you start like hitting a stride. It's not even just running, it's all sports. Like, if I relate it to basketball, because this is a basketball podcast still. If I'm if I if I hit if I hit two threes and you know I'm feeling good, I'll keep shooting. And then I hit my stride and I just keep hitting threes, right? Right. And then, you know, something happens, I play pretty good, blah blah blah. But it's the same with like running and like I'm assuming other sports, like I don't really play other sports, but I'm assuming other sports too. Running, lifting, plyos, any sort of any anything that I've done, like any sort of athletic enhancements that I've done, there's always a point where you reach a stride and everything just feels easy.

SPEAKER_01 7:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:13

Like you get to the sixth kilometer, and then I don't know, like something comes over you, and you just like like you jog it out to the fifth, and then you get to the sixth, and something comes over you, and you're just like, I'm gonna I'm gonna run this. Like, I'm gonna I'm gonna sprint. So then you sprint to the eighth, the ninth kilometer, and you you take a you take a two-second break and then you're dying. So if uh actually good segue here. If you ever run, when you hit that stride, never take a break. Because the second you take a break, you're not gonna get to go back. Like once you step off the gas, the pedal breaks. Like you're out of gas. The car, the car stalls, everything goes bad. You get out of you, you stop running for like five seconds to take a breather, and you just don't want to run again, and you're it like your body won't let you. You so you just have to push yourself.

SPEAKER_01 8:08

Interesting. Did you find that it took you that long to hit your stride? Five kilometers?

SPEAKER_00 8:13

Yeah, definitely. Because after so I started off slow and we ran together to like the second kilometer, and then you told me just go off on your own. So I was like, okay, and then I darted off to like the fourth kilometer, and then I kind of just didn't feel it, so I was just like walking, jogging, walking, jogging, and then I I got to a certain point where I was like jogging, and I realized, oh, I'm actually pretty close to the finish line, maybe I'll just sprint. So I did.

SPEAKER_01 8:41

That's amazing. How did you feel about the crowd being everywhere? Because

Crowd Energy And The Final Push

SPEAKER_01 8:47

this is a pretty popular race, and because it's Mother's Day, there's a lot of people out and about. How did you feel hearing people cheering on the sidelines?

SPEAKER_00 8:55

I mean, it's it's definitely something like it's it's definitely an energy booster, it's it's motivating, right? Like when you see all these people who wake up and they've got all these signs made and they're wearing costumes, and you know, they're sitting there giving you high fives and stuff, like like like beat the next person in front of you. Come on, keep pushing. Like when they're yelling at you and stuff. I love the power-up signs. The line is almost there.

SPEAKER_01 9:20

Did you did you tap some of the power-up signs?

SPEAKER_00 9:24

Nah, but I I I got a couple high fives.

SPEAKER_01 9:27

That's so cool.

SPEAKER_00 9:28

But yeah, like when you see all these people cheering you on, it kind of does boost your energy a little bit. It kind of does make you want to go faster.

SPEAKER_01 9:36

Yeah, it's super nice. Well, I was really grateful that you were able to join me. I was initially just gonna do it solo, but it was neat to have you there for most people. For people that don't know, I used to run quite a bit, and this was the first time I've run a race in a long time. So it was uh definitely fun to share it with you.

SPEAKER_00 9:54

Yeah, it was it was a fun moment in time.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:57

Uh it was it was definitely the most active I've ever been on a holiday.

SPEAKER_01 10:03

I know it's Mother's Day a holiday for you.

SPEAKER_00 10:06

Well, I mean, it's something okay, it's definitely the most active we've been on like a celebratory day. Okay, like I don't know what other day I would have ever done something that active. Like I would have had to do like a thousand push-ups, a thousand push-ups on a St. Patty's Day or something. But there's I've never like I it's definitely been the most active holiday ever.

SPEAKER_01 10:29

Okay, well, we'll keep that in mind for next Mother's Day then. Yeah, perhaps you can we can train to be a little bit faster and we can beat ourselves.

SPEAKER_00 10:38

I definitely think after running that, I think I could have gotten a sub.

SPEAKER_01 10:42

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:43

For sure.

SPEAKER_01 10:44

Far less than an hour, it's pretty good. My fastest time ever was just over 50 minutes. So uh this time around was nowhere near that, but I'm still proud with what I accomplished.

SPEAKER_00 10:55

Because this time I got just over an hour, but also like I started off slow and I was kind of in my head about it. I was like, I'm not built for this. I'm uh I I run I run 2 and 22s, I run down and backs. I don't run I don't run 10Ks. I run a I run a I run a four second I run a four second sprint. I I run a 540.

SPEAKER_01 11:18

Like I I'm not meant for a for a 10k, but like I find distance tests your endurance and it tests your mental abilities really well.

SPEAKER_00 11:27

Well, yeah, for sure. Because like bat like basketball because it's a basketball podcast, when I'm on the court, when do you like when am I ever gonna constantly be be moving? Like I know they say always be moving, but realistically, every two possessions there's a stoppage in play. There's a foul, it the ball goes out of bounds, you have to inbound it, something happens.

SPEAKER_01 11:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:50

So like it's b basketball, you train more to like, you know, hustle down the court as fast as you can, go from one end to the other in in five seconds, three seconds, four seconds. You don't train to like okay, I can go to the I can go run 30 possessions in a row, no breaks, no nothing, at a very paced, paced speed. Like that's never really gonna happen. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 12:14

Yeah.

A Mother’s Day Lesson On Letting Go

SPEAKER_01 12:16

Well, I'm gonna share.

SPEAKER_00 12:18

My body's not wired that way.

SPEAKER_01 12:19

No, it's not, but it maybe it will soon be. I'm gonna share my Mother's Day observations, and then we're gonna switch gears off of this topic since it is apparently a different kind of podcast. When you were little, I don't know if you would know this or if I've told you this before, but much like every other toddler, you always wanted to run away from your parents. You know, you just wanted to keep exploring. And of course, toddlers don't really know what the dangers are around them, so they just go. And as a parent, you're supposed to watch your toddler, your children, give them guardrails to be safe. So the guardrails we put around you were to give you squeaky shoes, or we would tie a balloon to your pants so we would always know where you were. But after a while, that no longer worked because you were too old for squeaky shoes. Um, but what we did start to do was we always let you go further away from us as you wanted, as long as you could turn around and look back and still see us. And I don't know if you remember that rule, but you always did. You always ran away and then you would turn around, and once you couldn't see me or Papa, then you would come right back until you could see us again. You wouldn't necessarily come back to stand beside us, but you would just make sure you could see us. And we always could see you, but you didn't, you couldn't see us. Yesterday during the race, when I told you to go, it was the first time you just ran away and didn't look back. And then I had a little bit of emotion during that time. I felt a little bit sad, but then I also felt a lot of pride because it just showed to me that you were confident, you were ready, you were adventurous, and you wanted to just go. So I was really I I kind of wished I had taken my phone out and taken a video, but also I had a really good song playing and I was hitting my stride as well. So I didn't want to be derailed by my own goals. So that was my Mother's Day moment watching you run.

SPEAKER_00 14:27

Yeah, I mean I can't speak for any mothers, but I'm sure that's a very, very proud moment. Seeing your child like fly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

Just fly.

SPEAKER_00 14:38

Move.

SPEAKER_01 14:38

Move.

SPEAKER_00 14:39

Just start just start moving.

SPEAKER_01 14:41

Get going.

Motherhood Questions And What Matters Most

SPEAKER_01 14:43

Alright. Well, we got going. Uh we usually have some hard-hitting questions about this time. I don't have anything planned, really. Do you have anything?

SPEAKER_00 14:51

Well, yeah, I actually had four questions lined up since it's Mother's Day. I thought I could ask the mother more questions rather than the child.

SPEAKER_01 14:58

Sounds like work.

SPEAKER_00 15:00

Well, uh, it's always work. No, no pain, no gain.

SPEAKER_01 15:06

No pain, no gain. That's true. Okay, what's your first question, bud?

SPEAKER_00 15:11

Okay, my first question. Shit, do you want me to start off with a hard hitter or like something breezy?

SPEAKER_01 15:15

Dealer's choice. You go for it.

SPEAKER_00 15:17

All right. So, okay, I'll start off with a hard hitter. When you found out you're having a child, what did you envision for my future?

SPEAKER_01 15:26

Um, well, it's not really very hard. I've always wanted to make sure that any child that I have, I've always wanted to make sure that any child that I have grew up to be happy, which every parent wants their child to be happy, and also grow up to be loved. So not just, you know, by their parents or by their family, but I always wanted to have a child that would be loved by their own community, whether it's, you know, friends that you make in school or now your teammates. I always envisioned uh having a child that would have that sort of love. Not about success, not about money or wealth or anything, but it always was always important to me to make sure that my child would be happy and loved.

SPEAKER_00 16:12

So do you think uh you've succeeded in that your child is happy and loved?

SPEAKER_01 16:17

I think you're pretty happy and loved. I think one really special thing about you is that you're able to make friends wherever you go, whether it's at a summer camp that you go to once, twice, or whether it's people you meet on a cruise ship and you've never met again, but you develop close relationships with them, or whether it's lifelong friends that you've had for years and years now from school. I think you've successfully managed to collect a community of people all around you.

SPEAKER_00 16:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:48

Yeah. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Next question. If you could pass anything down to me, what would it be? Like whether that be like something physical, something informational, emotional, like anything.

SPEAKER_01 17:05

Well, I think you have a lot of life lessons already with you. I think through our conversations on the mic and off the mic, I think there's a lot that you've already learned. I think you've already developed great values, a great personality. Apparently, I've been reading this everywhere, but apparently uh a child's athletic abilities comes from his mother. Good luck. So sorry. Apologies in advance. So I guess uh, I mean, you're getting that from me. You have a lot of heirlooms that you'll be getting from your grandparents, both of my parents. So I don't know if there's one thing specifically that I would want to pass down to you. I think you're gonna get a lot of it. Not like both physical and mental. I mean, I have a lot of beautiful letters that your grandparents wrote each other, which you've seen. I think those will be special to keep over time. Yeah. I've got some of your grandma's Gucci bags that you're gonna inherit. A couple Selene's here and there, maybe a goillard or two. That's pretty good, right? Man Man purse. Yeah. Well, and you know what? Who's who's rocking all these bags? A lot of your uh a lot of your favorite NBA stars rock the same kind of bags.

SPEAKER_00 18:18

Russell Westbrook in the flush. Yeah, so I They call me North York Westbrook.

SPEAKER_01 18:25

Yeah, so I think as far as life lessons are concerned, I think you're getting them. And I don't think I have to pass anything specific down. Um maybe I'll have to create a recipe book though, of all of our favorite cookie recipes or recipes that you like to eat uh that I make, because that would be something special to keep.

SPEAKER_00 18:43

Yeah, adobo.

SPEAKER_01 18:45

Yeah, what do you think of that?

SPEAKER_00 18:46

Milaga. Good question. I mean, I just ate two bowls of spaghetti, but I'm already hungry, so okay, one more question. What have you learned about being a parent and more exclusively a mother after 14 years of parenting?

SPEAKER_01 19:02

Aren't you gonna be 16 soon?

SPEAKER_00 19:04

16 in like 14 days. 16 in 14 days.

SPEAKER_01 19:08

Um, what have I learned in my time of being a parent and more specifically, motherhood? Um, maintain an identity apart from your child. Because one day your child will run away from you, whether it's literally on a race course or figuratively as they get older and find independence. And if you haven't maintained your own identity or maintained, I mean, for lack of a better way of saying it, maintained a life outside of being a mom, then you'll feel lost. Or I anyway, I believe you'd feel lost. I feel like part of why I've been able to be a pretty good mom to you. Correct me if I'm wrong. I think I'm a pretty good mom to you. I'm okay. Pass. I think part of one of the reasons why it works out well for us as mother and son is that I do have that independence from you. I still carve out my own interests and I have my own challenges, like professionally and even in the extracurriculars I choose to take on. I have those outside of just not just being a mom, but outside of being a mom. So I think that's the thing that I've learned the most. Interesting story. When you were born, or around the time you were about to be born, your Lola, my mom, she was retiring and she retired so she could spend time with us and take care of you and come and help me. And I had always asked her if she would want to live with us, live in Toronto, so that you know she didn't have to go back and forth all the time. And she said that she didn't want to because it was important for her to still maintain her own identity. You know, she used to go to church all the time, and she would say things like, All my friends are there, and that's where my community is. So it became very clear to me that even as a grandmother, it'd be it was super important to still maintain your identity as a woman, even though that's probably something she looked forward to forever, having a grandchild, but being able to being able to still stay who's true to herself was also really important. So definitely that's a lesson that I learned about being a parent. Keep my identity. What do you think of that answer?

SPEAKER_00 21:33

It's a pretty interesting answer. I think out of everything you could have said, that's probably the last thing I would have expected you to say.

SPEAKER_01 21:42

What did you think I was gonna say?

SPEAKER_00 21:44

I don't know, like learn how to deal with body odor.

SPEAKER_01 21:48

Is that why we buy you so many expensive colognes?

SPEAKER_00 21:50

But I actually I I don't stink.

SPEAKER_01 21:52

I don't think you stink. I've I've smelled some stink and I don't think you stink.

SPEAKER_00 21:56

Yeah, I mean I don't know. I just thought it would I like that's not something. That would have come to my mind because I didn't I didn't even think about that factor of being a parent. Because the thing is, is like we also share pretty much all of our interests. Like, what do you what are you interested in? What are your like top five favorite interests? Sports. No, no, no, I'm not sports. I'm in fashion, food, travel.

SPEAKER_01 22:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:21

I don't know. What else? Um being social.

SPEAKER_01 22:24

Yeah, we like that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:26

Community.

SPEAKER_01 22:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:27

What are my five favorite interests? Travel, food, fashion, sports, community.

SPEAKER_01 22:33

I know, but do we do all of that together all the time?

SPEAKER_00 22:37

No.

SPEAKER_01 22:37

Right.

SPEAKER_00 22:38

But uh like I just I'm just saying I never would have thought that of that as an answer because we pretty much already share all of our interests. So like I wouldn't have thought of that, is what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 22:48

So do you find it insightful positive, insightful negative, or just insightful?

SPEAKER_00 22:54

I mean, just insightful positive, I guess, because like it's it's something I wouldn't have thought of, and now it's in my brain. Right. So it's it's a whole nother perspective of parenthood. Because I want to be a parent when I when I'm older.

SPEAKER_01 23:08

Much older.

SPEAKER_00 23:09

Yeah. Don't expect anything anytime soon. So like I I wouldn't have thought of that as something to think of when becoming a parent, is to maintain an identity outside of my child. Because I would just want my child to like assume my identity. Like I would want my child, like, I'd say we're very close because we do things together and we share, we share a bond that some children some parents don't have with their child because we both like doing all these things. We both like travel and we both like food and cooking and baking and you know, hopping on the mic. Like not everyone wants to do stuff like this, right? So I'd say that that's why we have a good relationship is because, and this is like the third time we've talked about this as of recent. I don't like we did this has just been a recurring conversation, but we just share all these experiences and interests that I would I would say that I just assumed most of your interests and most of your personality, yeah. So I would have never thought like, oh, something I have to do when I grow up is make sure that you know my child or I'm separate from my child and I'm not just my child. Because I would just assume my child is me.

SPEAKER_01 24:39

Yeah, yeah, that's a fair assumption. But LeBron birthed his teammate and I birthed my bestie. I think it's just really important to remember who you were, because who you are, and again, this is something that that your grandmother certainly passed on to me, but who you are as a parent changes once your child grows up. And it's super important to, you know, obviously, I feel like, you know, I feel like we could safely say you're very well taken care of and you're not neglected, and everybody loves you, and I love you most of all. But I think a lot of what made me a good parent was that I had the vision to still stay true to myself, and that worked really well for me. Not for everybody, but it worked well for me.

SPEAKER_00 25:32

Yeah, yeah. I mean, all that makes sense. I just wouldn't have thought of that.

SPEAKER_01 25:36

Well, I'm glad you've got something new to think about.

SPEAKER_00 25:39

Definitely, definitely an interesting perspective.

Appreciating Parents And Signing Off

SPEAKER_01 25:44

Do you have any last thoughts about moms and motherhood or parenthood even?

SPEAKER_00 25:48

No, I mean just like appreciate your parents, I guess. Like if you're a kid listening to the podcast, like whether you're my age or younger than me, like I think the most important thing is to always know, like, your parents are the two people in life, or your parents are they're the people in life that will always, no matter what, have your back. Everyone's gonna have something to say. Everyone's gonna everyone's gonna wanna oppose against you. Everyone's gonna like there's there's gonna be people out there who hate. There's gonna be people out there who don't think you can do something, tell you not to try, they tell you to give up. There's gonna be people out there that you know just disrespect you. Your parents are gonna be the people in your life that will support your decisions no matter what. No one else is gonna do that. Because no one cares for you like a parent cares for you. Because a parent's goal is I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but a parent's goal is to see their child live out their life as well as they can. And that doesn't mean becoming a trillionaire. That doesn't mean, you know, getting super rich. It just means being as successful as they can while also maintaining happiness.

SPEAKER_01 27:18

Well, that's pretty potent.

SPEAKER_00 27:20

So yeah, like I'm like your parents are the two people or the your parents are the people that will always have your back no matter what, and they'll always support you no matter what.

SPEAKER_01 27:31

So well, I'm glad to hear that. This is recorded for all to hear, we'll keep it forever, and now we know exactly how you feel about your parents. So your parents love you, your mother loves you very much. Um, last thing about moms is I think they make pretty good cookies.

SPEAKER_00 27:49

Yeah, yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_01 27:51

All right. Well, join us next time for more hoops and crumbs on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, and everywhere else you can find your favorite podcasts. We'll talk basketball, cookies, and share other random life musings.

SPEAKER_00 28:06

Yeah, bye-bye.

SPEAKER_01 28:08

Bye.