S1E19: A Haunted Childhood

A lot of ghost stories sound spooky from a distance. They feel very different when you’re the kid standing in the hallway hearing footsteps, feeling the temperature drop, and watching the house respond like it’s listening. We sit down with Miley, who grew up in a historic home once known as the Delavan Hotel, and she brings receipts in the form of family history, local lore, and the kind of small details that make a haunting feel real.

Miley walks us through the town’s haunted reputation, including multiple nearby houses connected to violent deaths, alleged paranormal activity, and later structure fires. We also dig into the history that makes this place so infamous, from the Crabb Mansion era to a murder that happened in the home, and the wild fact that Abraham Lincoln stayed there during a visit to Delavan. Along the way, we talk through the classic paranormal categories: residual hauntings, intelligent spirits, and poltergeists so you can map the stories to a clearer framework instead of pure vibes.

Then we get personal: the hot water shutting off mid hair wash, objects moving without a cause, giggling heard late at night, and the night everything escalated after a mirror shattered and the house seemed to “throw a fit” until early morning. We also share our own ghost hunting experiences, call out why so much paranormal TV feels fake, and ask the bigger questions about energy, land, belief, and why humans keep chasing the unknown.

If you’re into true ghost stories, haunted house history, paranormal investigation, and the psychology of fear, hit play and come hang out. Subscribe, share this with a friend who loves spooky stories, and leave us a review so more listeners can find the Silly Goose Society.

Transcript

Disclaimer And Guest Welcome

SPEAKER_02 0:14

Before we begin today's episode, we would like to share a quick disclaimer. The views, opinions, and statements expressed by the hosts and guests on this podcast are their own personal views and are provided in their own capacity. All content is editorial, opinion-based, and intended for entertainment purposes only. Listener discretion is advised. Welcome back to another episode of the Silly Goose Society. Today we have a very special guest. Kyle and I are welcoming Miley to the episode, and we have a very, very interesting topic to discuss. But first, thanks, Miley, for joining us. You're welcome. I'm glad to be here.

SPEAKER_00 0:58

You don't have to lie, it's okay. No one told me the nuts are going to be. I had nothing else to do on a Monday, so fuck it.

SPEAKER_02 1:06

Yeah. Well, do you um want to introduce yourself to our listeners?

SPEAKER_03 1:13

Um, sure, I can do that. Um, my name is Miley, and I studied psychology, and so I like to like deep dive into the brain and figure out why people do what they do, and that includes like spirits in the afterlife. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 1:31

So is this is this my intervention? Is that what you're doing?

SPEAKER_02 1:34

Is that why you guys are here?

SPEAKER_00 1:36

Why is Seth Meyer here?

SPEAKER_02 1:40

Yeah, Kyle, we have letters for you that we would like to read.

SPEAKER_00 1:46

And he opens it up. C. We just flip the paper around, it's just the letter C. These are our letters.

SPEAKER_02 1:52

D. I don't know how to segue from that.

SPEAKER_00 1:56

That's just where it is. You have to put the the brain of what makes us what makes us us. It's like we go into the spirits and things like that. So I have a quick question before we get into it. Anything spooky ever happened to you? Ever seen anything spooky, done anything spooky?

SPEAKER_03 2:12

Yes. I lived in a haunted house when I was growing up, and it was like for sure, 100% haunted. There was no question or doubts about that.

SPEAKER_00 2:22

For sure and seven years ago?

SPEAKER_03 2:24

Yep. Hey, that's funny because Abraham Lincoln actually stayed in my house, and we'll get to that in a minute.

SPEAKER_00 2:30

Oh, for the love of that is awesome. There's no way for me to prove it. Everyone just has to take my word on this one. I had no fucking clue about. I did not do that joke on purpose.

A Haunted Street And Ghost Types

SPEAKER_02 2:45

Well, I remember um we were in, I think it was a like in Chris's live, and we were just in boxes talk, you know, talking like we do sometimes. And I remember you had mentioned something about growing up in a famous haunted house. And I was like, tell me everything. And then I was like, we have to get you on the podcast. So here we go. Tell us everything.

SPEAKER_03 3:14

Um, so first I actually like I did some research because that's also my psychology brain at work. I have to like dig into stuff and get to the bottom of it because it wasn't only my house on the street that I grew up in that was haunted. There were several other locations on the same road. So, like the road that I grew up on, the neighbor's house, two doors down, one direction was haunted. The one across the street diagonally was haunted, and then two houses down on the other side. So on either side, there was one, and then on the other side there was another, and then the house on the corner beside that one was also haunted, and there were like a string of deaths and murders on that street a long, long time ago. Yeah, so and it's crazy because they all had another thing in common. Um, where the murders took place, all of those actual like original houses had fires in them. So, like later on, but I find that interesting because I'm gonna go through and like I'm gonna describe basically like the different types of ghosts. So, like they have like residual spirits, they're kind of like considered conscious entities, but they're rather like a recording of a past event. Yeah, so they play out repeatedly. So, like that would be like a soldier walking the same path, or like a woman sitting and knitting, and like they just kind of do their own thing and they don't interact with the living. And then there's intelligent, like interactive spirits, and these ones are aware of their surroundings and can interact with the living, like whispering, moving objects, appearing in full form, opening cabinet doors, turning off the lights, turning off the hot water while you're in the shower. That happened to me. That was terrible. I did not like it. Um, poltergeists then often are described as like the noisy ghosts. So they're known for like physically manipulating the environment, slamming doors, turning on and off lights, causing house fires. So they're like the vengeful kind of violent ones. And usually it's because they had a violent or like sudden death, and so they're out to seek and cause harm. Like they just are unhappy with the way that they passed.

SPEAKER_00 5:39

We're sure those aren't just toddlers because that's like slamming shit, turning shit off, like that's like the pecking order of like it really is goldfish. Just throw that's just throw myself in the ground and singing Miss Rachel and we'll go away. That's all it's got in the same neighborhood. That's like the most fucked up and stressed out like HOA like ever.

SPEAKER_03 6:07

There was not a homeowners association, thank goodness.

SPEAKER_00 6:09

Well, yeah, no shit, because how the hell could they keep up with all that? Like Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_03 6:14

Left and right.

SPEAKER_02 6:15

Now, are you are you I mean, I know that there may be some sensitivity about like the exact address or anything, but can can do you feel comfortable like explaining where what state at least this is in or an approximate location?

SPEAKER_03 6:33

So I was thinking about that because currently some of these houses are like they have current residence in them, right? Some of them actually were like demolished and torn down because people refused to buy them after so many people lived in them and left. Um so I think I'm just gonna go through like the town, but not give like the actual street address. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 6:59

You can just give like a reason if you want. No, no, I'm serious. I'm completely serious. If you just want to protect it, it's like it's in the northeast or it's just in this state. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 7:10

Like I think as soon as I start like saying the names of the people and like the name, like these are wildly famous, like historic locations where I lived.

SPEAKER_00 7:23

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_03 7:24

So as soon as I start saying like the last names of the people who were unalived and you know, murdered in their home in their sleep, a lot of this is like public information.

SPEAKER_00 7:37

Gotcha. Okay, gotcha, okay. So the people who want to know, they'll know.

SPEAKER_03 7:41

They'll know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:44

Johnson, Williams.

Lincoln’s Stay And The Delavan Hotel

SPEAKER_03 7:46

Yeah. So my house was actually um known as the Delavin Hotel, and it was owned by Elizabeth Crab, who was the wife to, well, it was her and her husband's. They owned it together, and they created a business after they opened the bank in Delavin. So Delavan was founded. Um I think in 1830. Like the 1830s. Okay. Yeah, so long, long, long, long time ago. Definitely long time ago.

SPEAKER_00 8:34

Damn, almost 200, 200 years almost?

SPEAKER_03 8:37

Yeah, we had like the 150th celebration at our like fair when I lived there. Oh wow. Yeah, so yeah, it was founded in 1837 by a group of settlers from Rhode Island, and it was named after Edward C. Delavin, a like advocate from Albany, New York, who never actually visited the town himself. His like counterparts and advocate group just named the town after him. Um, so Abraham Lincoln came to visit Delavin on August 12th of 1841, where he gave like a few of his presidential like speeches, and then he ended up staying at the Delavin Hotel, which was my house back then. Yeah. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 9:30

I just I need everyone to know I did not know that before I made my Abraham Lincoln joke. Fucking wild.

SPEAKER_03 9:40

I know. As soon as you said that, I was like, oh well, this is a nice segue because fun fact in your freaking mind.

unknown 9:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:48

As I immediately duck under my couch with a tinfoil hat on.

SPEAKER_03 9:51

Yeah, synchronicities, anyone. Yeah, so my house was also known as the Crab Mansion, and there's another house two doors down, which is also a crab mansion, where like Elizabeth Crab and her husband's son lived with his wife of like 19 years old. Her name was Betty. Um, but she was actually murdered in my house. So in the Delavan Hotel, they were there for like some party or get together, and she ended up being like shot in the head while in bed on the third floor with someone. I'm assuming that was not her husband, like by the way it sounds, because her husband was then put on trial and convicted of her murder.

unknown 10:38

Damn.

SPEAKER_03 10:39

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 10:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 10:42

Yeah, so it was insane. And then Elizabeth, the wife of the banker, was also murdered by her husband in the house a few years later. It does not give a reason, but yeah, so both of them were murdered. And then the third floor where it happened, and like the back part of the house actually had a structure fire. So when I lived in the house, it was only two stories, not three. And it didn't go back as far to connect to like the barn and the horse stables in the back that had all burnt away. Oh wow. Yeah. So like going back to like the types of ghosts and like related to structure fires, like it was just interesting to me that I was like, oh my gosh, she died there, and then this happened. Like, then we had a fire. And it's actually only been owned by five families. So it was owned by the crabs and then the Hammonds, and then um my parents bought it from the Hammonds, and then we sold it to um folks when we left. Oh wow.

SPEAKER_00 11:52

Did the Hammonds ever have dinosaurs in it?

SPEAKER_03 11:54

No, no.

SPEAKER_00 11:56

Waste.

SPEAKER_03 11:57

I know.

SPEAKER_00 11:58

I guess the dose and the murders were enough. It was like, I've never bring a speaker about this. That's probably that's where the HOA draws along. You can murder people in your house, you can set it on fire, but you can't have any dinosaurs.

unknown 12:08

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 12:09

Bastards.

Everyday Signs Of A Presence

SPEAKER_03 12:10

So, and then um, so Betty, the daughter who was murdered on the third floor, um, her husband got out of jail because apparently they don't keep them in there very long back then. I don't know. It's weird. Like, he wasn't in jail for a very long time for murdering his wife, but he actually ended up like shooting himself in the house two doors down, and so that was haunted by him. Wow, so their spirits were literally like a block away from each other the whole time.

SPEAKER_00 12:42

Jesus, even the Jet they fucking can't get away from each other.

SPEAKER_03 12:48

Um, so yeah, when I was growing up, there was a lot of like the basement door would open and close on its own, or the lights would come on and off. Um, one time I was in my room and I was listening to the radio, and then it started playing like old-time music, and it was not the station, like the station that it started playing didn't exist anymore. And I like ran out to my dad and I was like, Dad, and he goes, I heard it. He goes, it's fine. He goes, just do your thing, kind of just ignore it. He was like, just come out here and do your homework at the dining room table instead. And I was just like, Okay. And then yeah, there's a time that I was washing my hair in the bathroom and I heard footsteps in the hallway because I like didn't want to take a full shower, so I did that thing that girls do where we like flip our head under the faucet over the tub and just like wash it that way. I don't know if Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa.

SPEAKER_00 13:48

At least this guy does sometimes.

SPEAKER_03 13:50

Well, I don't know. Every time I say that to other people, they're like, You do what with your hair? And I'm like, Yeah, you just flip it over and it's wash it, you dirty fuck.

SPEAKER_00 13:57

Like, ever heard of it? Shampoo?

SPEAKER_03 14:00

I just wash it under the faucet. Yeah. So I was yeah, I was doing that and I heard footsteps like coming up behind me, and I thought it was my I thought it was my mom. And I started talking to her, and then I looked and there was nobody there, and I was like, Oh, no one's behind me. And then I would mid-wash, I had like just put soap in it, and I was like lathering up. I dunked my head back under the faucet and it was completely freezing cold. And I was like, oh no, did I just lose hot water? And then I tested the faucets, and the hot water had been completely turned off. So I turned it back on. Yeah, it was creepy, and they like love like they love to play. Like, honestly, sometimes it was like super not harmful things. It was just like, I'm gonna turn this hot water off. Now you get back under there, and then I like was under there washing my hair out because I turned the hot water back on, and then it got like scolding, scolding hot, and I immediately reached up and turned the cold back on because it had shut off. And then I wrapped my hair up in a towel and I walked upstairs to my mom's office on the second floor, and I was like, I need you to come wash my hair. Oh man.

SPEAKER_00 15:13

I swear, I swear to God, I'd have ran so fast to some adult that I wouldn't have to worry about my hair being wet because it had dried. The friction from the air would have dried my hair. I'd have ran so fucking fast if that shit was happening. And had and then I would have ran even faster to pack our bags and get the fuck out. I was like, Mom, I don't give a shit. Get out of here.

SPEAKER_02 15:32

I'm just I'm just picturing them like fucking around with the faucet and then just like in the corner going tee, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:43

What what? You think Michael Jackson is haunting the fucking house?

SPEAKER_02 15:46

They're just like the water. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 15:51

Okay, are you okay?

SPEAKER_00 15:53

Get the fuck out of here.

SPEAKER_03 15:54

I've been like, no, we're not okay. We are we are not okay.

SPEAKER_02 15:59

But that's so like that's so kind of scary and and unsubling. I think because like when you're when you're washing your hair like that, I think you're just such in a kind of a vulnerable spot. Yeah, you're not really looking. Right.

SPEAKER_03 16:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:16

I wash my hair so fast because that's one of my like irrational fears, is that like something is. Exactly. Like, even before I saw the movie Psycho, like I was terrified that like while I'm washing my hair and I'm under the water because like you can't hear anything too. Like, yeah, it's like the water's going to really loud enough, so you can't hear someone like sneak. It's really easy to sneak into a bathroom with the shower going. I'm absolutely terrified of like it's so fast.

SPEAKER_03 16:41

Like, I live alone and I lock my bathroom door, and I'm like, yep, it's gonna be locked, even though I'm here by myself.

SPEAKER_00 16:48

And even though it's like it's just alright. All of respect, like I'm talking about a spirit. Like, you think they're like, oh, the door's locked. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 16:56

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

I could be completely wrong. I could be completely wrong. Like, do they do they understand doors and locks, doorknobs and shit?

SPEAKER_03 17:05

You know, I don't really know. I mean, it probably. But that's like some real weird haunting stuff. Like, that's some horror movie stuff that they like film and make way over exaggerated to freak you out.

SPEAKER_00 17:18

Fair enough. I I just don't know why my brain just immediately went to the scene from the mummy too, where she goes to like hold the bench in front of the door. Honey, what are you doing? These guys don't use doors. Like, that's what I'm picking. I'm gonna lock the door and take a shower. What are you doing? They don't use doors.

SPEAKER_02 17:31

Yeah, they don't even use the door.

SPEAKER_00 17:33

Don't even use doors.

SPEAKER_02 17:34

Did you ever have like things move on their own or like see objects move? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:44

Um I'm trying to think of like the most I know we had like a Kleenex box on our living room. There was like a table in the living room. And there was a Kleenex box always there just in case we needed, you know, like tissues. And one time it literally just kept getting like it kept falling off the table. And it was like in the center of the table. So like there's no way that it just randomly fell off. Like there's no way. And then other than like the doors opening and closing on their own and like footsteps on the stairs, like it was just yeah, and like our curtains. We had like big curtains in the living room. Um, and the well, not living room, it was more like the dining room. It was kind of like an open area. Um, but they would always kind of like ruffle, even though there was no air vent over there. They would just kind of like like a breeze was like going through. And like you could tell if you walked into a room and like one of them was basically in there with you, or like in there already, there would be spots of like cold where like it would be warm, and then you would walk to a certain area of the room or something, and it would be chilly. Yeah, yeah. For the most part, we just kind of like let them do their thing, we didn't interrupt their stuff. Um, yeah. I know when my mom and dad first moved into the house, they were renovating. And if you know anything about spirits and like they don't like that because you're messing with their space because they still think of it as their home and their space.

SPEAKER_00 19:38

Ghosts are done.

SPEAKER_03 19:44

Yeah, they get like yeah, they get quirky. They get quirky, they they get quirky. Um, so yeah, they were doing uh, I believe it was a kitchen remodel, and my mom walked in, and there was a whole like she walked in and then like got my dad and brought my dad into the room, and she was like, Do you see that woman over there by that cabinet door that's open? And my dad was like, I don't know what you're talking about, Beverly. Like, I don't I don't see anyone there. And then my mom was like, she opened the cabinet, closed the cabinet, opened the one next to it, and she was like, Your dad could see the cabinets move, but he couldn't see the woman. And I was like, this is insane. So like I grew up hearing like all about it, and then I basically lived it. And then there was a time when I was in junior high, or maybe it was my freshman year in high school. I kept telling my mom and dad, I was like, you guys, I keep getting woken up by giggling girls. I was like, it sounds like there are just girls playing in my room. And they were like, we haven't heard it, like we haven't heard anything. Like, I don't, I don't know about these like giggling girls. Like nobody believed me. And then my sister came home from college, and the very next day she woke up and she was like, Mom, I heard the giggling girls, and they woke me up at 11:30 p.m. She goes, At first I thought it was the neighbors, and then I realized that it was like midnight. So like she could hear them too.

SPEAKER_00 21:17

Um yeah. Listen, I'm not that's asking you the same question I ask every horror movie I ever watch.

unknown 21:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 21:28

Why the fuck you still there? Why the fuck were you still there? Why you no leave?

The Mirror Breaks And Chaos Starts

SPEAKER_03 21:33

Because they weren't really bothering us. Like they weren't really bothered. Oh, they're too they never really like hurt us in any way. Um, they never like, you know, it it was never aggressive. It was just kind of like they made their presence known. And it was like they were giving you a chance to be like, tell us to leave or share the space. And so we just shared the space. We were just like, okay, they exist, they're in here. We live here now. And like there was one instance, and um this one was like the worst paranormal activity I have ever witnessed. Um, I was with a boy. I was with a guy at the time. I'm I'm gonna call him a boy because he was not mature, you know. So I was with this king. Um I was with this boy at the time, and like we were constantly fighting and constantly yelling at each other. And there was one day where so like when you first walked into the house, there was this giant wall-length mirror. And back in the day they called it a hemming mirror where women would stand on a platform and get their dresses hemmed by tailors, like they used it. So we had this like giant ceiling to floor length, giant mirror, and him and I were fighting right next to it, and he like slipped and fell, and he didn't really hit the mirror, he like grazed it, and it completely like shattered, like spider web shattered, and then immediately, like right behind me, was the basement door, and it was kind of like cracked open. And as soon as that mirror shattered, the basement door just slammed shut, like the hardest it had ever slammed before. And I remember I remember looking at him like, you need to leave, like you have got to leave.

SPEAKER_02 23:34

And he angered the spirits.

SPEAKER_03 23:39

Yeah, I was just like, You've got to leave for the night. He was like, Yeah, I'm not staying here. He goes, Are you gonna stay here? And I said, Yeah, I'm gonna stay. Like, I chose to stay there that night, and then I was in my bedroom at the time, and my mom had like moved out, my parents got divorced, my dad went and lived with his girlfriend, and my mom got a job. So I was living in that house alone by myself, and then like he had moved in with me, and I told when I told him he needed to leave, he was like, Are you really gonna stay here? And I was like, Yeah, I'm gonna stay. I started out in my own bedroom at night, and then we had cameras set up, and I still have some of like the camera footage on the like my D-link cameras that we had set up inside the house and like outside the house. Lights were turning on and off, doors were slamming shut. It was like they were throwing it a fit. It was a tantrum because the mirror was broken.

SPEAKER_00 24:41

I told you, toddlers. It's not it's not gonna toddlers. I'm like, just throw goldfish, a fucking fruit snack, gummies, and shit all over the place. And just put like hot little mummies, we'll be fine.

SPEAKER_03 24:53

Yeah. No, yeah. It was like, and I I remember telling my mom, like, I had cleaned up the mirror the best I could, and like before I went to bed that night, I was like sitting in the living room and I just was like apologizing to nothing. I was just sitting there, like right in front of where the mirror was supposed to be, and I was just like, I am so, so sorry. Like, I'm so sorry. And I was like talking out loud because that's what my dad had always said like, if they're intelligent, they can hear you, they know you're remorseful, like be respectful, never like never make them mad. And he was like teaching me the rules about it, and so I remember I was like sitting there and I was like, I'm so so sorry. Like I asked him to leave. I'm so sorry that the mirror is broken. And then I went to bed and it was just like all night long until about like 3 45 in the morning. It did not stop until 3 45. Because I even moved from my own room to my parents' old bedroom and slept in my mom's bed because I was like, I need my mom, but she's in Georgia.

SPEAKER_02 25:56

Oh man, that's so that's that's scary. From what you've described, it sounds like you know, they were mostly benevolent. Growing up in that kind of environment, did you ever just kind of get used to it? Did it become just like, oh, it's them, or was it always just kind of a level of yeah, this is kind of normal for us, but it's a little unsettling? I think it was always a little like unsettling.

SPEAKER_03 26:24

But at the yeah, I mean, when I was little, when I was little, little, I remember being in elementary school and um I was being put in like an IEP because I had a problem reading. I was like reading things backwards, and everyone thought I had like dyslexic tendencies. So I wasn't doing all these like reading tests, and then I got talked to by like a school counselor, and they were like, you know, this doesn't make you stupid, basically, but like we need to give you some extra help on your reading. And so they were like, We just have a few questions, like we need to assess everyone and like everyone who comes into the IEP program. And she was like, So, do you ever hear voices? And I was like, Oh, yeah, all the time.

SPEAKER_00 27:07

This doesn't make you stupid, or there's nothing wrong with happiness like so. Do you kid? Do you believe this? Yeah, yeah, like absolutely it was like do you not? You hear a tire screeching, a door slam, and dudes in white coats just come running out of a van.

When Ghost Stories Sound Like Symptoms

SPEAKER_03 27:21

Well, so like that's those were part of her questions. Her next question was like, Do you ever see and hear things that aren't actually there? And I was like, Yeah, all the time. No, and I was like, I was in first grade, and I remember my mom got called to the school, and I like we're sitting in the principal's office, and they were like, I think your daughter has mental health issues. And my mom was like, Why? What happened? And they explained it, and she was like, Oh no, no. And then my mom walked straight up to me and she goes, Miley, are you talking about the ghosts? And I was like, Yes. I was like, I thought they were finally like asking me about that.

SPEAKER_00 27:59

I thought people finally believed me.

unknown 28:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:02

And so it was like this big thing, and like this doesn't mean you're stupid.

SPEAKER_00 28:09

We just have a couple of questions. Ask all the questions. Okay, would you like to redact what we said? You are stupid.

SPEAKER_03 28:14

Yeah, you're 100% crazy. No, but yeah, it was like this big ordeal, and then you know, it was funny because the school counselor was like from a different town, and then the school receptionist was like, Oh, I could have told you that if that's why you called her mom here. Like, they live in the haunted house. And I was just like, Yep. Like, she knows.

SPEAKER_00 28:39

See, now exactly now. The fact that like everybody knew that now another movie is playing my head. That's he with Casper. Oh, me, my dad's moving to this house, and the entire class. Do you live there?

Nearby Murders And More Haunted Homes

SPEAKER_03 28:50

Yeah, yeah. I mean, it was like a known thing um that that house was haunted and like the history of it. So, like, that's how Abraham Lincoln ended up staying there because it was the Delvin Hotel. So he stayed there, and then there's a whole other list of like famous people that came in and stayed there. I want to tell you about the house down the street. So I had a friend, her name was DJ, and she lived two doors down from me, not in the other crab mansion, but in a separate one. So this one actually um was a night a murder that happened in 1992, so two years before I was born. So like my parents lived down the road. Um, and this is like a really famous murder that happened in that area, I guess you want to call it. Um but his name was like Paul, Paul Jordan. He ended up um slitting his wife's throat, stabbing his 12-year-old son, and then he stabbed his 18-year-old daughter, and then fled the scene in like a high-speed police chase. And so that was actually my aunt who lived in that house at the time. She was the 18-year-old, and so um Dolores on like the upper bedrooms is where they always had like the activity, and like she was a mad, mad ghost. Like she 100% fit like the vengeful, violent. Um, and then when I was like doing all this research, my mom um was like, Hey, did you know that house that DJ used to live in burnt down completely? And I was like, You've got to be kidding me. And she was like, No, they totally rebuilt it. And I was just like, I just looked into these ghosts, like, and they fit the just like she that type of ghost fit the description for like the one's environment, like for controlling the environment and like structure fires. So I was like, that's the second one. So then I looked into um the house down on the other block, and that one had a teenage girl who um like hung herself off the balcony in the front um because her dad was like abusing her, and she hung herself off the balcony. So when he walked out the front door to go to work, he just ran into her instead.

SPEAKER_00 31:23

Jesus.

SPEAKER_03 31:23

Oh my god. Yeah, so then that one had a fire on the upper level, and I was just like, all these fires are related to spirits, like every single one on that street is all related to spirits. So Delavan is like super, super famous for haunted occurrences.

SPEAKER_00 31:46

I believe that's infamous.

SPEAKER_02 31:48

Well, I just wonder, like, what is what is it, because you know, like a lot of these things are connected to like the land itself, you know. Um, you know, is the town on a giant bed of you know, granite or you know, something like that that they say that, you know, kind of holds on to the what do you call it, the bad juju paranormal phenomenon? Yeah, the bad juju, yeah, the bad stuff. Um, or you know, is there anything in the history, and you may not know this, but like, you know, was this um like sacred land from Native Americans? Or yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:32

So like before the settlers came, um, the original settlers from Rhode Island actually pushed out a group of um Native American Indians. And so I forget what tribe it was, but we were directly on like the plains, like it's right on all the flatlands, basically. And so we pushed them farther toward like Colorado, Iowa, basically like herded them that direction, kept pushing them that way. So there was actually a big I don't know if it's considered like a big battle, but there was like a medium-sized-ish battle on the plains of like Illinois, Iowa, and um Indiana, like right there in the center of the United States to push out the Indians and like give settlers more space and more land.

SPEAKER_00 33:27

Like a medium-sized battle. I think they called that a conflict.

SPEAKER_03 33:30

Yeah, I was like, I don't know, it's like not one of like the big famous ones, you know, like not like Gettysburg or something. Yeah, I guess Gettysburg is. Colonel Mustard. No, I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_01 33:45

Colonel Mustard.

SPEAKER_03 33:46

I forget the big Colonel's name that like was Custard.

SPEAKER_00 33:50

Custard's last stance. Custard's last dance. Um, a little bighorn.

SPEAKER_03 33:56

Yeah, Miss Peacock.

SPEAKER_00 33:58

Yeah, yeah, exactly. No, it was on the second, it was on the second floor, apparently, with her husband's pistol.

SPEAKER_03 34:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:05

Jesus fucking Christ.

Land History And Why It Lingers

SPEAKER_02 34:09

Just a game of clue. I I have to wonder though, I mean, like, okay, so you know, with them with all of the murders that happened on that street, like you have to wonder, did the people perpetrating the murders, were they were they influenced by sp by you know, maybe malevolent spirits that are or you know, the bad stuff attached to the land, and and they were kind of I guess it's this story. What's the famous um house they've made a million movies? Um Amityville? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, you know, was he driven to murder by these spirits?

SPEAKER_00 34:53

I'm pretty sure some of the later ones were driven for the fact that there's been like well over a dozen murders and apparently nothing's happened. So we were like, the cops won't give a fuck, so let's give it a shot.

SPEAKER_03 35:04

Yeah. You know, like that would be really interesting to try to like, and I do not have like the tools to like go into that like that, you know. But it would be really cool if like some ghost hunter would like pick it up and go into like the historical deep dive of like maybe they were influenced. Because yeah, there was just a string of and like when Delavan was first founded and when it became a village, it was only Third Street and Fourth Street. Those are the only two streets that existed for the longest, longest time. So I lived on the street. Third and fourth? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:39

So I lived on the George Lucas start naming fucking streets.

SPEAKER_03 35:43

First, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth.

SPEAKER_00 35:47

The Phantom Avenue.

SPEAKER_03 35:48

Yeah. Well, it's funny because like the streets going the other way are Lincoln, Jefferson, Johnson, Adams. So it's all the presidents. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 36:02

Yeah. But you know, there were there was a uh there's a really, really um, it's like the whole this whole town in West Virginia is like haunted and it's over in like the eastern panhandle. And there was a group of paranormal um experts. They brought in a whole team and they just really kind of camped out there for I don't know how many months um and just investigated everything. And and like the chief of police worked with them. So every time they got a call about something paranormal happening in the town, like they alerted the team and they went with you know the police to to investigate it. And they really got to like the kind of the nuts and bolts of all of the origins of what could have possibly caused this entire town to be so haunted. So yeah, I think it would be interesting for somebody like that to go to this town in this particular street and just do that investigation and and figure it all out. Cause that's that's just that's wild.

Haunted Tourism And Activity Today

SPEAKER_03 37:15

Yeah. I mean, even some of this, like I grew up on Third Street, so then Fourth Street, like I remember going over to friends' houses and stuff, and their parents being like, Oh, remember, don't take her upstairs, like, or don't do the and it was just like it just it was so normal. Like, I don't know, whenever I went to go play with like DJ down the road, in that it was a yellow house, but now it's not because it burnt down. But her mom would always be like, Don't take her into your bedroom. Remember, you have to stay here in the living room. Like, people were genuinely like afraid. Yeah, like they were afraid when like people had their friends over, and like there were rules about going in certain places and things like that, and it was just I don't know. For me, it was just like how I grew up, it was just what happened.

SPEAKER_00 38:07

It's just life, it's just this is just it.

SPEAKER_02 38:11

Do you know if d does the paranormal activity still happen today? Do you know if anyone still experiences it? Or I mean I know there's I guess the the house you grew up in has changed hands a couple more times. No, just one just one sold it, and then it's the same people that bought it from us that live there now.

SPEAKER_03 38:35

Do you know if they experience anything? Um, I remember him mentioning something. Well, actually, when he was coming to buy it, um it was our old baseball coach from the local high school. And he was like sitting down, like telling my mom that he was interested in our house because you know, like he loved the historical stuff about it, and like we do this thing in Delivan. It's called like the tour of homes, it's the Christmas tour of homes where like we have cosplayers come and dress up like old-time folks, and there's like horse and carriage buggies, and we sign up old historic homes to be on the tour, so like we decorate our houses for Christmas, and then people can walk through, and then we stand there and like give the history of our house. Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_00 39:29

And like, yeah, so it's kind of like and then they get to your house, they're like, oh fuck. You're just coming over with a pack of marbs of a bud light, like you're gonna need this.

SPEAKER_03 39:38

Yeah, like we've we've been on the tour when I was a kid, we were on the tour a few times, and then um, like we just kept adding to the Christmas decorations because you know, like every year you have to add something, so it's not like exactly the same. But we'd have tourists from I think the farthest we ever had, we were like talking to the guy, and he was like, Oh yeah, my wife and I drove down to Chicago. Like, we thought this was a cool little thing. We found it online, and he was like super interested. So when we put our house up for sale when I was gonna move, um the baseball coach led like reached out to my mom after we dropped the price a few times because he was like, Hey, now it's in my price range. And my mom was like, Hey, I just want to let you know, like it's haunted. And he was like, Please don't tell my wife that. So yeah, he was like, Please don't let her know that because she will not move in here. So they ended up buying it, and I remember he reached out to my mom, like, yeah, you know, like we've had the occasional door and like occasional footsteps, but you know, nothing, nothing much. So yeah. That's still kind of happens. Nope. Um, the other crab mansion, though, that was two doors down on the 700 block, like that one, it still has constant activity. Um, and the same people have lived there for a long time. Um, the same people that lived there when I lived there still lived there. And she just made a post on like the what's up Delavan thing not that long ago, and it was like, hey, thinking of getting on the tour of homes this year, like really want people to come through and like get the history of the house, and so yeah. She still has like events that happen there. Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_00 41:31

Jesus Christ, just burn the whole town down, Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_01 41:35

Same just that's what you gotta do.

SPEAKER_00 41:39

You have to keep you it center of town, town hall. You build the world's largest sage factory. Not a just you just fill this fucking building with it and you just torch it. Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_03 41:52

Yeah, I mean, the old bank is also haunted. Um, I know that for sure. Because why wouldn't it be? Well, actually, so the founder of the bank was the person who owned my house. Um, and he was like a noble banker, and he was also voted mayor at one point, and he was on like the fair, um, like the county fair council. Um, and he actually built the library and donated it to the town, and the library is freaking creepy. Like, I hated going to the library when I was a kid, and like now I'm an avid reader and I love it. Like, I love libraries and bookstores, but like but fuck that one in particular. Yeah, it was just it's this big like brick old, like it still has the old school like framing and like the old school like concrete, you know, work that like doesn't get done now with it's just you can tell it was like built by hand, like it was just like it was built 200 years ago, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:53

It was built a long time ago. You just know it's haunted as shit.

SPEAKER_02 42:58

Yeah, oh yeah. It just makes me wonder, like, there's so many, so many places that are haunted are associated with this one man. Like, what was he doing? Was he like he was not a good man? Like, was he like secretly an occultist?

SPEAKER_00 43:15

Or I could have told you that one because like he's definitely he was on the county fair, he's the mayor, all he's doing all that stuff literally as a cover. That's at least where my brain is spending the whole time talking about him.

SPEAKER_03 43:26

Yeah, so there's actually an old news article of like when his son killed his daughter-in-law in their third-story bedroom, and it says um Peacin Daily Times woke up to a rude awakening, um like headline, basically. Delvin Bride, victim of gunshot. Like Mrs. Crab, 19, found dead in bed at Banker's residence. Um there's an old, like I don't want to call it like a manuscript because that's not the word for it, but there's like old writings in someone's journal that was found. And it was like, Did you hear about the young crab woman? And then the other guy was like, Oh yeah, I surely did. Heard it was a suicide. And then, like, it was these people like talking back and forth, but it was all in like letter form, basically. Like it was written. And so it's like, yeah, it could be. I heard there were like they was at a party drinking, and you know, hard telling how things go sometimes. Like, and it's just like so southern.

SPEAKER_01 44:34

People back at the fair.

SPEAKER_03 44:35

Yeah, it just happens. And it was like, whatever it was, it's gonna cast another dark shadow on that family. You can bet on that. And it was like, shadow sounds more like a nightmare to me. So actually, there's a guy who wrote a book based on like the story here, and it's like the retelling of like what happened, and he like dug into the history of the murder, and it says, like, the story here from the history room is titled A Nightmare's Echo, and it's by um Norman V. Kelly, and he was born in 1932 and he lived until 2020.

SPEAKER_01 45:15

Damn.

SPEAKER_03 45:16

But yeah, yeah, it was like uh 1818 to 1888. The pioneer um Daniel Crab settled there in the Sand Prairie Township, which that is now a um haunted landmark. It's our um prairie rest cemetery because it used to be called the Prairie Township. So yeah. And all of the crabs are buried in that cemetery because that's also where my grandpa is buried.

SPEAKER_00 45:49

All the crabs are buried in there. It's just claws.

SPEAKER_03 45:52

Yeah, it's just like they're all in there.

SPEAKER_00 45:55

All the I've been keeping the lowest hanging of fruit jokes, just fucking shout. All like because yeah, the crabs were in there, they were best known for a burger recipe. Like, you know, oh my god, so many. So many.

unknown 46:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:16

Just leave it. Just leave it.

SPEAKER_03 46:17

It's very itchy. No. Ah, there it is. Did I help you out there? Did we get it? Did we scratch that itch for you? No. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 46:31

No, I went to the doctor and he gave me that lotion, that weird shampoo with that little creep with the little creepy comb.

SPEAKER_03 46:35

Oh, you finally got that stinging sensation worked out. Perfect.

Ghost Hunting Trips And What Moved

SPEAKER_00 46:38

Yeah, yeah, clears clear hair up. You go to the doctor, you get a shot, clear nerd up. It's the same shit NASA uses actually.

SPEAKER_03 46:46

Yeah. So I don't know. What about you guys? Have you ever experienced anything like spooky, haunty?

SPEAKER_00 46:53

Yeah, I got kids.

SPEAKER_03 46:54

Yeah, me too. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:59

I told you, man. I'm telling you, it's not ghosts, it's fucking toddlers.

SPEAKER_02 47:05

Yeah, I mean, I think, yeah, I've had um I've had some experiences where I've gone like ghost hunting, um, you know, some paranormal experiences. Um I know uh oh god, Red Boiling, Red Boiling Springs, Tennessee. And I'm trying to think of the um, oh man. I can't think of the name of the the there's a little bed and breakfast there that we went with a group of people um to do a do a like a sleep or like a shot in. Um well there was the there was a TV show um paranormal state. I don't know if you all remember that. Um and so the people who were on that show would do these um kind of things where people could go and investigate with them. So me and and some friends, we saw that they were going to this place in Red Boiling Springs, Tennessee. Um, and we all went. And so we got to like hang out with them and do investigations. And like um Chip Coffee was there who has also had some some television shows. Um, and that was an interesting experience because um there was like this dining hall that was in this um old, and there were there were some deaths, there was a fire, there were a lot of things that happened, you know, in this place. Um, but that was the first time like I saw there was like a they had these metal folding chairs, um, like at all the tables, and one of those like moved across the room. I mean, of its own volition. We were standing, you know, at the far end and that moved, you know, on on the other end. There was no way that, and the way it moved, I you could just tell it wasn't like fishing wire, it wasn't like a prank, it wasn't, it was something was there. Um like simultaneously, right when that happened, because we had split up into two groups, and we were, I was downstairs, there was a group upstairs. So when that happened, um, there was a woman that was part of the crew, and her name was um Mary Beth, and she had something whisper her name in her ear. And then upstairs, there was this huge like marble credenza, and it was like so heavy. It would take like four or five people to to pick this thing up. It was so big and heavy, but that thing like came it, it it like fell over, and there was like this loud crash, and it but all of this stuff happened all at the same time. So that was that was interesting. So it was it was probably that was probably the most I think interesting kind of experience, but yeah, I mean I definitely had some some more personal things happen too. Um like my daughter when she was little in the house that we were living in, she kept saying like she would see this guy in the house. And I always thought, well, maybe because we you know we're renting this house, and I thought, well, like maybe the old guy who owned it, because this guy was like 80 years old, my landlord, and he was he would sometimes just go into the basement to like because he had like part of his like an old shop down there, and I was like, Well, did he just walk into the house? You know, you just never know. Um, but she kept saying she, and he was always like in like an overcoat, a flannel shirt, and like suspenders. Not you, Kyle. So it's me. I was like, This is very descriptive.

SPEAKER_00 51:26

It was like wait a minute, hold on.

Kids Seeing Spirits And The Mirror Girl

SPEAKER_02 51:29

Um but then like so you know, she would always say that, and then one day um there was a knock at the door, I answered it, and there was a a lady, and she was like, Hey, I just this is gonna be weird, but I grew up in this house, and you know, I was visiting, and I just kind of wanted to come here to, you know, just just see the place. And um, you know, like my dad passed away in this home. And so we were just talking, and I let her come in, and you know, she could, I guess she just was feeling sentimental or whatever the case, but um he actually passed away in his rocking chair that was in the corner of the living room. And he he was God Kyle, I want to s I don't know if he I'm trying to think right now. He I don't think he, I don't think it was leather, but he he would work on something. I don't know if he he did something, I don't know if it was like woodworking, but he had some kind of hobby that because there were all these workbenches in the in the basement. Um, but he would go down there and he would always have on his like he had specific clothing on to go work in his shop. And I I can't the only thing I can connect is Maddie was seeing this man, you know, in the house. Yeah. So that's probably like the biggest, but I don't know. I think kids sometimes have like ability.

SPEAKER_03 53:17

Yeah, they can do a lot more because their like conscious brain isn't taking over. Like, so when you're a kid, you're so much more susceptible to like seeing them, hearing them, talking to them. Like that big henning mirror that broke that I talked about. Like my sister and I both used to sit there and play with the little girl in the mirror. And like my mom was talking to me about it, and she was like, because I told her I was doing this, and like her and I were sitting and talking about it and like going over stuff because I wanted to get all my facts straight. And I was like, You would know, because you are older than me. Like the wise words. So she was like, Be sure you tell them about the little girl in the mirror. Um, but yeah, like I can still picture her because that's how like real she was to me. She was like in a white dress with lace, kind of had like a neck, like kind of like a turtleneck, but not. It was just went up higher on the neck. And then she was blonde and had like these little ribbons tieding her hair back. And like my sister sat there and played with the little girl in the mirror. And then when I hit a certain age, my mom said I would sit there and play with the little girl in the mirror. And like to this day, I'm convinced that she was the giggling little girl at like 11:30 at night. Like, yeah, like sometimes I just think, and that's why I said, like, sometimes they're they were just more playful, like turning off my hot and cold water. I think that was her playing a joke on me. Like, yeah, like you can't see me do this, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:00

Because she's stuck at a certain age, right? And you were you were growing up, and I was growing up, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:07

Yeah, so yeah, the first time it ever happened though, like my mom she freaked, like she ripped me up away from the mirror, and she was like, No, absolutely not. Yeah. And she did the same thing, like when my sister used to sit there. She was like, Yeah, your sister was like over there laughing and having a time and talking to herself, having a full-on conversation. And I said, Stephanie, what are you doing? And she was like, I'm playing with the little girl, mom. Can't you see her? And then my mom was like, I picked her up so fast, like run away.

SPEAKER_02 55:46

We got the fuck out.

SPEAKER_03 55:49

They didn't go far, they just went to the kitchen, but wasn't in the hallway anymore.

SPEAKER_00 55:55

It's that time, man.

SPEAKER_02 55:56

Yeah. Wow. Kyle, I know you talked about the creepy house that one time, but have you had any other uh kind of paranormal experiences?

SPEAKER_00 56:08

Let's see. I I literally just texted my wife, but um we still can't tell because like nothing's like happened or seen, or I to my knowledge, it's only been like one time. But um, our oldest, she had said something one time to the lines of like, but more or less like someone that she saw here in our apartment or played with played with someone in our apartment or something like that one. It's we kind of brush it off or whatever, because my wife was immediately like, huh? Why did you say so far? What? But this was, I think this was last year. I think it was last year, year before. Um, so she was like she was like just starting to talk, and so we couldn't really understand what she was saying all the time. So it's still a possibility that, like, oh, you know, she was just like having imagination, like playing with one of the kids. It sounds like the name she tried to was trying to say was like one of the names from one of the shows that she watches. And I couldn't, I couldn't remember like the details if it was anything like that one. Um let's see. There was yeah, no, yeah, because it talked about the the random stupid fucking house in the middle of the woods that we totally didn't break into at all whatsoever.

SPEAKER_03 57:25

Right. Plausible deniability. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:28

There was that one. Um I guess I've I've never experienced it, or Tina or whatever, but a lot of the others. So in the town I grew up in in Connecticut, uh, it was kind of a it's right next to Massachusetts.

SPEAKER_03 57:47

I'm out. That is somewhere I will never go in October. Everyone's always like, Do you want to go to Massachusetts or Connecticut? And I'm like, absolutely not. Why not?

SPEAKER_00 57:56

I'm curious not because basic bitches or because ghosts?

Connecticut Legends And Ghosts At Sea

SPEAKER_03 58:01

Yeah, because like I know. Like I grew up in a house that had them, and I'm like, I ain't going over there during October.

SPEAKER_00 58:11

It's real pretty. It's stuck on October, but it's real pretty. Yeah, no, I think the fuck we moved. But no, uh, so the town I grew up in was I mean, just Connecticut itself, really. Um, was pretty involved with um the Revolutionary War. Yeah, it wasn't Boston, Massachusetts, you know, all the port where all the important shit happens, but it was one of the really big um port cities actually. So New Haven Harbor was incredibly busy and it was insanely vital for the war effort there because it was the second biggest one at the time. So there is uh right in the center of town. Yeah, like the the the town green. It's actually uh I went to preschool um at the building right there, but there's the like the old, there's uh like still like one or two old cemeteries there from like people are buried there from 17 or whatever, 16 or whatever, and whatnot. And the the the main the main important like street there in um in the town is called is uh called Campbell, and it's named after a British officer. I forget what rank he was, but he was tried and executed by by the British because he helped a wounded um Reverend. There was no Reverend who was giving like um you know aid to any wounded soldier for British, the um, you know, the unions, anything like that one, because it was just like it's a church. This is like a this is the this is you know neutral ground. You know, you if if you if you got banged up, you get fixed here, so on and so forth. Well, he was given orders to execute the man and he didn't. He was like, I'm not no, that's wrong. And so he was executed. So there's rumors that he's still kind of like walks around the graveyard or some shit like that, or like he's in the church and in the area around the whatnot. And some of the other soldiers are there. Like you you you just kind of hear the soldiers like hanging out and shooting shit, apparently. Um I know a bunch of people have said that one. I never experienced that because I don't fucking live right there.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:18

I live I live a couple blocks out. I live walking distance from there. I lived, I grew up walking distance from there, but I never gave uh I never gave two shits about it. But um He was scared.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:33

Nah, by the time I heard about it, I was never sober enough to give a shit to go.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:36

Fair.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:37

Uh a buddy of mine was in the uh buddy of mine was in the military, and every now and then he would have to hitch rides on some of the Navy ships. And um, for those of you who don't know, you think haunted houses are scary. Have you been in the fucking ocean?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:53

Oceans are creepy. Oceans, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:56

Have you been have you been in the ocean, like the middle of the ocean, where you can't see anything anywhere at all? By the way. There's no fucking street lights in the middle of the goddamn ocean.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:08

Unless you're in the netted like nurse shark swim excursion.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:14

When you're in the middle of the fucking Atlantic, or the middle of the fucking Pacific, or the South Pacific, or any of the other fucking giant death water holes that we have. The death water holes. There's no fucking lights but the ones on the ship. And guess what? If you have all your main lights on in the middle of the fucking ocean, you might as well just say, hey, bad guys, I'm right here. Fucking shoot me. So you don't got your fucking lights on. It's literally the darkest dark you could ever potentially imagine. You hear shit. You see shit. Um buddy of mine says that he has seen um two. He's seen two like ghost scallions on like three separate occasions, he says.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:58

Oh, that's so cool though. Like, yeah, that would be kind of cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:03

Fuck that. You got that site, you got that site with the fucking noises. Absolutely not. He said he's seen. No, no, he's he's seen two on three, so he so he's always seen two like together, three times on different uh excursions, if you will, whatever you want to say. Um he's he's uh there's always two uh that he's that he's seen. He's like, yep, nope, that's enough.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:32

Yeah. Is it like repeated in the same area? Or is it in like two separate spaces?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:39

It was in different areas.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:40

Oh, well, I was gonna say, like, that would be cool if it was just in the same area.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:44

Was never able to disclose where, but it was in different areas. That noise.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:53

A residual ship.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:55

A residual ship.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:57

Yeah, it's just doing its own thing out there. All in the same path that it went down on. It's fine.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:04

It's just chilling. It's literally just chilling.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:06

Fascinating.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:07

No, it's not.

Haunted Asylums And Prison Overnights

SPEAKER_03 1:03:09

Oh my god. I love it though. Like, I think it's so cool. I never, so I don't know. I also lived like, I think it's like 25 or 30 minutes from Bartonville, Illinois, where there's like a haunted asylum. And in October, they did like lock-ins for like over the weekend where you can pay to go in there and stay overnight with your group of friends. And I was just like, Mom, like, I totally want to go. And she was like, absolutely not.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:44

Tell me you're white without telling me you're white. Mom, can I pay someone money and they lock the and they I stand inside of an old abandoned, potentially haunted asylum and they lock the doors?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:59

Well, they had to stop doing it.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:01

Like, well, no shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:03

I don't think they offer them anymore. But yeah, when I was when I was in like in high school and in college, they like created a thing, like a headline or like it was on the news, and they were like, Bartonville asylum shuts down after three kids were harmed. And I was shuts down again. What? Wow. Yeah, it was yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:24

You had Lockins New growing up, but it was the arcade.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:27

Yeah. So there's a um down the town, like down from where I am. Um there's a there's the old West Virginia's uh state penitentiary. Um it's in the town of Moundsville, West Virginia, and you can rent it out.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:44

Ghostbusters were there.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:46

Yeah, you can rent it.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:47

Like one of, I don't know if that's the rest of the thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:51

Like the like the Ghostbusters.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:54

No, no, no, no. Who are you gonna call?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:58

Yeah, that there have been a lot of um a lot of places go into there to film. Um funny story, there's one particular show with a host that a lot of people hate. Um went into the went into the penitentiary and they actually like painted shadows on the walls and like defaced the the property to make things seem like they were happening.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:32

Oh no.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:32

And so like for a long time they didn't allow people to like go in go in and film anymore, but they've they've opened it back up. Um, but yeah, you can rent it, you know, overnight. Um, and I I did that. We had um it was like ten of us. We rented it for the night, and um you had your free reign to go wherever and do What it was.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:00

I was about to say, like you had an assigned cell. I was like, get out.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:04

Well, I mean, that's what people get pissed off because you're like rubbing the face, I can walk around, I can do what you want.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:11

There was a specific cell where um a guy gruesomely, gruesomely murdered, and his cell is extremely haunted. Um, yeah, we I had a friend who went into that cell and they like closed the door. Um, and he heard something saying, like, get out, and we couldn't hear it though. And he was just like, You gotta let me out. Let me out. I need out. Um, but yeah, they uh my friend and I, we I mean, it was like an all-night thing. And so up on I think it was like the third floor was the medical unit, and they they had like these exam tables, but like it was like exam table, and I don't know why this is a men's prison, but I don't know why they had stirrups, you know, uh attached to these exam tables. Anyway, we we just you gotta check your bum. I was gonna say, um they've got space down there. They do. Uh yeah, so we we took a nap uh on the tables with our you know legs in the stirrups and just kind of like snoozed for 15 minutes. Um but yeah, that place was that was interesting. That was I don't know that anything really happened um when we were there. We just man, we just had a lot of fun. Just I mean, imagine an old gothic I don't know if you you'd have to look up pictures of this place, but it's like like something that you would see like literally well they have film movies um at this place, but it's it's like a Shaw Shank kind of like very stately building. Um and the whole thing's like built with these large boulders of rocks, you know. And uh yeah, you just so we just had fun running around the place all night.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:10

Fucking white people.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:13

Yeah, yeah. A lot of fun, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:16

Dude, fuck just just now, just now like why?

unknown 1:08:20

I know.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:25

I feel like we've disturbed you.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:27

We're just uh it's not that I've it's not that I've been disturbed, it's just like I do you write it off as not real?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:36

Are you one of those people?

Why We Chase The Unknown

SPEAKER_00 1:08:37

No, not no, not exactly. I'm open to the idea. Um, I do not believe any fucking TV show. I'm sorry. Way too much TV. I do not believe any fucking show whatsoever. Because I'll never forget they're like, oh my god, it's I got a cold feeling. Dipshit, you're in a fucking abandoned building with no heat. Fucking Alaska and there's no goddamn windows. No shit. Start fucking making a fist. A fist? Start making a fuss if you're getting a f if you're having a fucking hot flash and you're not a woman going through menopause. Don't keep that to your fucking self. Of course you're thought something called dumb shit. Like, I can't fucking those shows are just so nah. Just fuck off. I will believe um, you know, I'll tend to give a bit more to um some documentaries, uh the show's Unsolved Mysteries, I'll I'll give their ghost stories a bit more because there's multiple people with the same story with very different performances. If you're getting the same story from very unconnected situations of people, you kind of tend to believe it a little bit more, shit like that. Now I know it's kind of hypocritical because it is a TV show and that can all be written anyway. I don't know. Um it's uh I'm open to the idea. I think that the biggest thing that I have with it is that I play when I hear stories like this, I'm going off of the mind that yes, this is 100% true. This 100% happened, there's no false or lie about this one. I I have that that thing in my brain every now and then not to be so blunt about it, but I like to think it's I like to think of it as common fucking sense. Why are you it's spooky, scary, bad stuff happens in a prison. Let's go. And and it's like, let's go. Why? And then the don't why are we still here? Why are we doing these things? If if there's no trouble, why go looking for it? If it's like, don't go to the thing, let's say, hey, if I stand in a fire, it's gonna hurt. Let's do it naked. Oh my god, there's so much fire. I am so burned right now. What the fuck did you expect? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:59

Like I think it's just, you know, trying to figure out the unknown. Like these things are happening, and you know, there we have now we have like uh, you know, enough technology and equipment that we can we can quantify it, we can hold experiments, repeatable experiments, where things can happen. And it's just trying to figure out like what is going on, why are these things happening? You know, how is it connected to us? How is it connected to you know the universe? Or if you want to go the spiritual route, you know, how does it fit in with you know, religion and spirituality and what happens after death? And you know, there's just so many of these questions, and I think a lot of people are just drawn to want to have you know, try to figure it out. Um, and and I will say, you know, like I think phantasmal bugs. Yeah, like I don't want to say like it it is a little bit of a high when you have like stuff happening.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:15

If you look, I am somebody's adrenaline, like you know, because you're like, what is that?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:22

Yeah, and and I can say that like I'm I'm missing a scare gene because that kind of stuff doesn't exactly scare me. Like it interests you, it intrigues you. Like I can tell my senses are heightened, like you will get a shiver up your spine, and like the hair will stand up, and like you definitely feel the creepiness, but you know, am I like screaming like oh my god, we gotta get you know, I've never been in a sweaks, man! Scoob so baggie, it intrigues me, you know. It it I think I'm just chasing like I wanna be scared. I want to like I don't know. I I don't I just want to feel I want to be scared and I just can't I can't get scared because it just like I just want peace. I'm immune to scared. Yeah, I guess growing up, you know, growing up like that, yeah. I mean, I think it would like kind of dull your senses to a certain extent because it just becomes like you're just used to it.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:37

It's it's just it's just Tuesday, yeah, yeah, it's just there, yeah. Yeah, well, I mean, I will say, like, so there are certain movies, and I'm not gonna name names that come out, and like my ex-husband was like a huge horror movie fan. And like one time he was like, I want to watch this movie, and I said, Absolutely not, and he was like, Why not? And I said, I grew up in a house that that kind of stuff happened, and I'm like, I'm not watching this, and he was like, Well, it's all fake, and I was like, You didn't grow up in my house, like, absolutely not. Like, I'm a firm believer that this is real, yeah. I was like, it might be heightened for the movie to make it like hot and selly, they might sex it up a little bit, but yeah, they might like blow it up a bit, but like that's for real life, like so there are certain things where like I'm just like, nope, I know I'm not I'm not allowing that energy in here, like you know, so yeah, because that's what it all is, it's all like tied in this like energy force, in my opinion. Like the universe is all made up of energy, and everything is connected in a certain way, just like you were like asking me earlier if it was on some sort of like ground that would be impacting, like why it had such a high frequency of like spiritual activity. It's like that's probably right. You might be right. I don't know, but it's all connected. So I'm like, I'm not letting this negative energy from this creepy Hollywood movie up in this house. Like, we are not watching this, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:27

Not up in here, yeah.

Attachments Artifacts And Lincoln Letters

SPEAKER_02 1:15:29

Well, I guess one last one last question, and then we'll um kind of close everything out. But do you feel like anything has ever like made an attachment to you? Yeah, you don't you don't experience anything now, do you?

SPEAKER_03 1:15:48

No, I would say not, I mean, not like recently. When I first moved from the house, um well, I have so I have a dining, I have a dining hutch is what it's called. And it's actually from the original house. It's handmade. It was brought over from Europe on a sailboat and then moved by the settlers from New York to the Delavan house when it was made and built. Um the dining room table that was also handmade and imported from Europe is in my storage unit. Um, well, it's actually in my mom's storage unit. Um, and then that's where I have like the old serving spoons. And I pulled when we were in Chris's live in boxes, I had pulled that photo out on that, that nailed photo instead of being on a picture frame. It's on like a plank of wood. And you can see that like apparition on the porch. Like, that's not meant to be there. You can clearly see the people, and then there's like a shadowy figure that's a clear picture of a face, like it's really creepy. Um, but that is down in this hutch because that's where it was when my parents moved in. My parents tried to buy the house and its contents because my parents bought that house on auction. So everything was still in there. They tried to get like the writing desk from the attic because it had handwritten letters from Abraham Lincoln and correspondence, which you can now find in the um Springfield, Illinois Abraham Lincoln Library or like Museum and Library. So cool. Yeah, it was like donated. My parents didn't get that, it was bid on by someone else, but they ended up donating it to that museum. So yeah, I still have like pieces of it, but I don't know if anything's like attached to the pieces that I have because I don't really have anything happen anymore. Yeah. Well that's good, that's a positive. Yeah. So it's not like they like got super attached. I think it's more like the house itself, not the commitment issues. Yeah, they wouldn't leave for me. No.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:14

This has all been fascinating. Like, I definitely would love for some serious paranormal groups to visit this area. That would be cool to see.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:28

Yeah. I almost like emailed and like wrote in once, and my dad was like, nah, it's not worth it. Like they're they want like bigger things and like you know, penitentiaries and like insane asylums and all this stuff. And I was like, but it would be so cool. They should have like seven city square blocks. I know. How fucking big do they need? Like 12, no.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:48

But well, they can get fucked up.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:56

Oh, well, this has been a great conversation to have. Thank you so much for joining us and telling us about like how you grew up. Yeah, you're welcome.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:08

It was actually a lot of fun. I like love this stuff. So, but to an extent, I have a limit. I do have a scare line, like, yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, I'll psych myself out and be like, nope.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:22

Well, this is gonna be a fun three-day spiral.

Closing And How To Reach Us

SPEAKER_02 1:19:25

Yeah. Have a great week, Kyle. Yeah, we fine. Yeah. Um, yeah, thank well. Thanks so much to our listeners for listening to this. Um, you know, definitely reach out if you have any questions. Um, if there are any paranormal groups that would like to uh know more, contact us. We'll get you hooked up with Miley, and uh maybe you can help us solve some of these mysteries.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:02

Would you like to know? What the fuck is this? Fucking star subtubers, would you like to know more?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:08

Um, yeah, continue to do all the things, like, subscribe, share with your friends.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:14

Um break the mirrors, laughs. Slam the doors.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:19

Yeah, slam all the doors. And uh yeah, I mean, we have um our Discord community is now open, links in the description for the show. Uh, there's links for our silly goose merch in the description for the show. And uh yeah, so I think that's all the things. That's all the that's all the business, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:42

That's all the bus.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:46

Thanks again, Miley, for joining us. Uh, like I said, anytime you want to come back, you know, the door is always open. Yeah, thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:56

They'll slam it shut.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:59

My first question to the ghost would be like, all right, I need to know which bill you're gonna be paying. You'd be slamming doors, which like this.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:05

Turning on my lights. Are you gonna pay my Amaron bill? No, I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:09

I mean, they were helping out with the hot water one, they're trying to help you with the water bill, so it's a dummy. Slamming doors, the fuck.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:17

All right, bye, everyone. Bye, thank you.