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Ep. 49-Robert Pickton the Pig Farmer Murderer
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Between 1978 and 2001, at least 65 women disappeared from Vancouver's downtown east side before Robert Pickton was finally arrested and charged with some of their murders. The case exposed systemic discrimination against Indigenous women and sex workers, becoming the largest crime scene investigation in Canadian history.
• Robert "Willie" Pickton operated a pig farm in Port Coquitlam, British Columbia, where he targeted vulnerable women
• Pickton and his brother ran "Piggy's Palace Good Times Society," hosting parties that attracted people from Vancouver's downtown east side
• Despite a survivor escaping his farm with handcuffs in 1997, charges were dropped because she wasn't considered a "competent witness" due to drug addiction
• Multiple tips about bodies and women's belongings at the farm were ignored for years before a 2002 weapons search finally uncovered evidence
• Police collected 200,000 DNA samples and sifted through 383,000 cubic yards of soil in the $70 million investigation
• Though Pickton claimed to have killed 49 women, he was convicted of 6 murders and sentenced to life in prison
• In May 2024, Pickton died after being stabbed by another inmate with a broomstick shank at Port Cartier Institution
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Source Material:
The Associated Press, June 1, 2024, Canadian serial killer Robert Pickton, who brought victims to pig farm, is dead after prison assault, https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/canadian-serial-killer-robert-pickton-brought-victims-pig-farm-dead-pr-rcna155020
Butts, Edward, Mcintosh, Andrew, June 2024, Robert Pickton Case, https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/robert-pickton-case
Slack, Terry and House, Tina, May 31, 2024, Serial killer Robert Pinkton dead, https://www.aptnnews.ca/national-news/serial-killer-robert-pickton-dead-quebec-prison/
Proctor, Jason, October 11, 2024, 'Tell all Book' found after death of serial killer Robert Pickton, https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/robert-pickton-serial-killer-book-1.7349138
Vancouver's Missing Women
Speaker 1Between 1978 and 2001, 65 women, and possibly even more, disappeared from Vancouver's downtown east side. This is Hold my Sweet Tea. Hello, hello, I'm Pearl.
Speaker 2And I'm going off the rails on a crazy train. I'm Holly.
Speaker 1Rest in peace, Ozzy.
Speaker 2Absolutely. Oh my gosh, yesterday, like it was, it hit. I knew it was coming, but it was like one of those hits when Prince died. It just like hit your heart. Because we grew up with the Oz man, yeah, and we used to sing the Ozzy and Lita song every time it came on the radio. Yeah, I did the Ozzy part and Pearl would do the Lita Ford part and I would do the Aussie face.
Speaker 1Yeah, and it was like perfect. The very first time you ever did it. I almost fell out of the car. I was just like, oh my god, it looked just like him.
Speaker 2But we would watch the video on VHS tape over and over.
Speaker 1Yeah, we said VHS tape.
Speaker 2Yes, vhs, because I had recorded it off MTV at one point so we would watch it and then we would, we would sing it and that just became our duet. Yeah, that was our thing. But such a mega fan of Ozzy and I mean, like I said, I knew it was, it was coming, he's, he was old enough, he's lived a really awesome life and yeah, and he's been struggling yeah, he had Parkinson's and then the whole concert that he just did, like three weeks ago yeah crazy stuff. Yes, he, he did that.
Speaker 1I will say like it's very difficult to sing with Parkinson's. Yeah, absolutely, the lead singer of A-Ha also has Parkinson's.
Speaker 2Oh, wow.
Speaker 1Like they're. It's hard because their voices shake.
Speaker 2I know they raised it was over $100 million for charity. I think it was like $190 million for charity, which was amazing.
Speaker 1Yeah, he's done that before.
Speaker 2Yep For different things. Yeah, and you know all the people that came out to the concert was really cool and Youngblood love Youngblood so much and I'm so glad that he got to perform at ozzy's uh show yeah, the uh dark prince.
Speaker 1The dark prince, he's actually like one of the kindest people, that's why I was like it's so crazy, like his whole persona well, that's what he said.
Speaker 2He's like that's a role I play, it's my act, that's his shtick, or whatever you know. Right, when he's on stage, that's not how he's at home. He's not running around going. I'm the prince of darkness, right? You know, although on the Osbournes his, you know that was. I love that show. Oh my God, I died laughing so much watching that. But I mean, you know their house was like, not all dark decor and everything which I would love. I'm like gothic to the core Love it.
Speaker 2There were fur babies everywhere, oh my gosh, lots of them. And he'd complain every time one of them pooped or peed in the house. Sharon, but yeah, ri, sharon. But, yeah, rip Ozzy Indeed. He's iconic Legend.
Speaker 1We are going to do another little out of our country case.
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Robert Pickton: The Pig Farmer Killer
Speaker 1Yes, and do a little something for you. But it also correlates with your oinky story.
Speaker 2Oh, viola Hyatt huh, from the beginning of the week. Yes, oh, pigs, pigs, pigs.
Speaker 1Yeah, why not Run with it All the piggies? So we're going to talk about Robert Pickton, or Robert Willie Pickton.
Speaker 2Not Pigton. No, no Pick.
Speaker 1But he operated a pig farm in Port Coquitlam in British Columbia. So Canada hello, hello Canada.
Speaker 2Sorry if we mess up any of these names. Yeah, or anything else for that matter.
Speaker 1He would actually become known as the pig farmer, killer or butcher. Oh, he would be charged with the murders of 26 women, but convicted on just six charges, and then there was like a stay for the other charges, but he did receive a life sentence for the other ones that he was charged for, and Pickton himself had claimed that he had murdered 49 women. He had, like, been in a cell with an undercover cop and he didn't even know.
Speaker 2And he was just like blabbing. So he's just blabbing like ha ha, ha've killed this many women.
Speaker 1Yeah, oh, good for you sir hilariously enough, there's some like appeals paperwork where he tries to say he didn't do it by himself and and of course the crown is like it doesn't really matter you still are guilty right like this is not a way to get out of it.
Speaker 2Yeah, you're not gaining any freedom by by telling us.
Speaker 1other people helped you, yeah, but these murders would become canadian history's obviously largest serial killer case and the crimes would be committed on what would be known as the largest crime scene in Canadian history. Robert was born in 1949, and he was raised along with his siblings on the family-operated pig farm. As adults, he and his siblings would end up selling off most of the property for development, and I did not look this up and I guess I should have but 6.5 hectares remained whatever that, that's a hectare of an acre, it's a wall he would not only maintain the small scale livestock operation of the farm but he used it to to his advantage.
Speaker 1Oh, okay, so most of the women that he targeted were indigenous and were sex workers or drug abusers were sex workers or drug abusers. So I guess he felt like societal discrimination.
Speaker 2I guess Because he had a big prejudice against the women in the sex trade Right and I looked it up and one hectare is for the American equivalent 2.471 acres.
Speaker 1Okay, okay, thank you for that, you're welcome. So some of the proceeds he got from the sale of those real estate transactions he would partner with his brother, david, in a salvage company. And I feel like they kind of ran these together in the same place because if you see like aerial pictures of the air of the farm there is like some obviously like spots of junk right, so they had, like, some junk piles plus the pigs and but he did live alone in a trailer home on the property and he was a very socially awkward man, aren't they all it seems like, seems like so in 1996, the Picton brothers started the Piggy's Palace Good Times Society.
Piggy's Palace & His Hunting Grounds
Speaker 1What Piggy's Palace Good Times Society, what it's? Apparently a federally registered charity with an alleged mandate to raise funds for service organizations. Like they would do dances and shows in order to raise money. Wow, their parties had sometimes like guests like, so apparently they were pretty popular.
Speaker 2They had some piggy fans. Yeah, they're probably like.
Speaker 1Oh, I thought you were talking about feet like piggy toes here's the thing most of these people were like inclusive of, I guess is the best way to put it Like it wasn't just all bikers and all sex trade workers, but they were there. Oh okay, I mean, why wouldn't they be? It's Piggy's Palace, good Times Society.
Speaker 2What a name yeah.
Speaker 1So they were all from, like the downtown east side of British Columbia. Yeah, so, but in the year 2000,. The city actually shut down Piggy's Palace.
Speaker 2So was it like a swingers club type thing?
Speaker 1I don't really know, but I just couldn't get past the name.
Speaker 2I know I'm like that's hilarious.
Speaker 1It was just crazy, but Vancouver's downtown Eastside is known for high rates of poverty, homelessness, drug use and prostitution, and 80% of the girls working in the sex trade actually came from outside vancouver and like most of them, notoriously, I would say, because I feel like once they start doing this they all kind of isolate and lose contact with their family, so a lot of people hadn't heard from these women in in years so I was like, ah, but that happens, yeah.
Speaker 1All the time picton became really familiar with this area, he um also like disposed of all his waste in the downtown Vancouver area Yuck, like animal parts, all that junk. And then he would cruise the 10-block strip known as the Low Track and offer women money and drugs and then would often take them back to the farm Oof. And then would often take them back to the farm Oof. In 1978, a joint RCMP Vancouver Police Department Missing Women Task Force began to compile a list of missing women. The earliest case on the list connected to Picton was Diana Melnick and she was last seen in December of 1995.
Speaker 1This is not one of the murders he was convicted of. The most recent case on the list connected to Picton was one of the six murders for which he was convicted and that was Mona Wilson, who was last seen in November 2001. So 90, 95 is the oldest one they could find. 2001 is the most recent one. Of the 26 disappearances that they attribute to him, only one occurred in 1995, one in 1996. But then there was a big jump of six in 1997, four in 98, five in 99, two in the 2000s and then seven in 2001.
Speaker 2He was like this is my year, yeah Well, I guess his confidence was like this is my year, yeah Well. I guess his confidence was like you know what? Nobody's found out so far. So let's go crazy, let's get nuts.
Speaker 1Yeah, party like it's 1999.
Speaker 2Right, I don't know.
Speaker 1I was like at Piggy's Palace, at Piggy's Palace Right before it got shut down. But other disappearances before that and even like during that time were not officially linked to him due to lack of evidence. But I think it like attributes a little bit to a lot of the marginalized lifestyle where they're like really transient.
Speaker 1So it's I think it's just harder to track. Yeah, all of that, the disappearance of sherry rail, who vanished in 1994, actually, or 1984, I'm sorry was not reported for like three years. Oh man. So, and that's why, in 1987, they set up this task force, because they're like whoa, all these women going missing.
Speaker 1But nobody's realizing it because of what they're doing for their survival purposes. And so, due to that, the limited progress in the cases that they were aware of and stuff, they decided that we really got to pay more attention to this. Over those years the rates of disappearances escalated. Rumors of the serial killer began to circulate in downtown east side. The low track area started writing down like license plate numbers, like the women did, so they could keep track of who was picking them up well, and I'm sure between their community they were like, okay, well, where is Linda?
Speaker 2Right, I haven't seen Linda in six days, right, and she always works this corner, you know. And then all of a sudden where's Misty? And I'm just using random names, but still no, but right, but they would know. So, yeah, I guess they started taking precautions.
Speaker 1Yeah, they're going to be the only ones who do notice anybody is gone, because these people, I said, have isolated themselves. They don't even have contact with their family, not to mention I don't really you know, back in the day, those really older ones especially. There's not really like.
Speaker 2There's no cell phones, there's none of that stuff, so you're just, I mean, you see linda get picked up on a tuesday and then you haven't seen her in two weeks. So yeah, something's up absolutely.
Searching for Evidence
Speaker 1but despite the fact that they were trying to keep track of all this, the disappearances were still happening. Yeah, um, in 1991, the families of missing women, along with advocates, established a remembrance walk and memorials for the murdered and missing victims. They also demanded more thorough investigation from the police and sadly, I guess the police response was a little bit sluggish. Yeah, but that's, I feel like it's to be expected, because I'm going to tell you right now, they don't, they don't get treated equally.
Speaker 2No, they think they're just disposable. And no human is disposable, no matter what their lifestyle is or how they're trying to make a living.
Speaker 1And they felt like the Vancouver police were like in denial, saying oh, there's not a serial killer, right.
Speaker 2No way, it's just, you know, drug overdoses or whatever you know, or they moved and went to another city.
Speaker 1Yeah, and that's exactly it.
Speaker 2They're like y'all are transient.
Speaker 1Yeah, oh, just one less person for us to worry about. She just decided she didn't want to be here anymore. She moved to another corner, yeah, went off to another. I guess the Vancouver police too was a little bit hampered, like they weren't really into all the new criminology stuff like geo profiling and all that stuff, right. So they were kind of like, eh Right, y'all don't know what you're talking about, when in actuality they just didn't have the the knowledge of all the things.
Speaker 1Yeah, the knowledge and technology. As his case unfolds, we find that most of his victims are Indigenous women. This of course brings about that whole like more attention on the Indigenous women missing and murdered and all that stuff In Canada. Like I don't even feel like there's enough focus on that in the united states no, there's not.
Speaker 2There's literally a movement going on about that, because they don't get as much yeah, attention as other people and it actually led to a national government inquiry into the issue beginning in 2016.
Speaker 1In um march of 1997, a woman picked and had taken to his farm and tried to handcuff, actually fought back. Good for her. She had gotten a hold of a kitchen knife and I mean both of them like just wailing, stabbing basically. So she's, she's I don't know if she essentially stabbed herself, but both of them end up with multiple stab wounds.
Speaker 2Good, she thought she was fighting for her life. Yeah, would I the women.
Speaker 1the woman ran to the road and flagged down a car that then called an ambulance. She was taken to the Royal Columbian Hospital in New Westminster and while she was undergoing emergency surgery like she got tore up Pickton was receiving treatment for his injuries in the same hospital.
Speaker 2Oh.
Speaker 1I was like what the heck?
Speaker 2Wow.
Speaker 1So an orderly happened to find a key in the pocket of Picton's clothing that fit the handcuffs dangling from this woman's wrist. So then Picton was arrested and charged with attempted murder, assault with a weapon and forcible confinement. Good for that orderly. Wow. The charges were stayed and eventually dropped because the woman whose name was placed under protection, of course so you're not allowed to, no one's allowed to post her name or anything like that. There's like a ban through the court. She was not considered a competent witness due to drug addiction.
Speaker 1Oh my God, do you need to be a witness to the fact that you just had emergency surgery from the from stab wounds that this man with the key in his pocket inflicted. Picton tried to tell them that she was a hitchhiker who attacked him.
Speaker 2Oh my gosh. So how'd she get the handcuffs on her?
Speaker 1You know, but apparently they decided to leave him. Yeah, in the spring of 1999, an informant told Vancouver police that a single mom also happens to be addicted to drugs. We're just going to call her Lynn had seen a woman's body hanging inside of Pickton's slaughterhouse.
Speaker 2Oh, my goodness yeah.
Speaker 1Oh, my goodness, yeah. When she was questioned by police officially, she at first denied the story, but then later, on the 20th of March, she had admitted that she had in fact seen the body. Like I don't know why. She bounced back and forth. She said she didn't report it because she feared that Pickton would do something to her. But crazy enough, she was also getting money and drugs from him.
Speaker 2Both, so she knew about his lifestyle. She was probably part of the piggy club, right.
Conviction and Prison Justice
Speaker 1Also early in 1999, bill Hiscox, who worked for the Pictons, informed the RCMP that a close friend of Picton named Lisa had said she'd seen women's clothing, purses and identification papers at the pig farm. Hiscox believed that they were the property of the missing women. So then police question Lisa and she's uncooperative. Oh my gosh, like this is the theme here. Yeah, it was the second time that Hiscox had contacted the police about his suspicions, but they couldn't actually obtain a search warrant based on hearsay.
Speaker 1So, literally not much they could do. They required an actual eyewitness, yes, to report this activity, but since you know they were having a hard time getting that, they couldn't do anything.
Speaker 2Well, they had one. She was handcuffed and stabbed.
Speaker 1Yeah, but they didn't believe her. So in 2001, theouver police and the rcmp formed project even-handed a joint task force to investigate the missing women from the downtown east side, and in february of 2002 scott chubb, formerly employed by picton's family as a truck driver, informed the RCMP that he had personally seen illegal guns in Picton's trailer house. That information met the official requirement for a search warrant, so now they can come visit you absolutely so. On february 5th, the officers and the task force raided the pig farm.
Speaker 1In addition to several illegal and unregistered guns, they found items connecting missing women to said property nice, finally, finally, yeah, exactly so picton gets arrested on the weapons charges but is released on bail stupid, I don't know how that happened, but he was kept under surveillance and not permitted to return to the pig farm at all while police conducted their search, because now they have a second warrant right. So among the evidence, they discover handcuffs, women's clothing and shoes, jewelry, an asthma inhaler with the little prescription labels still all attached to serena abotsway, one of the missing women. Dna testing of blood found in his trailer proved to be that of mona wilson, and so on the 22nd of february in 2002, picton was arrested again and charged with two counts of murder. Eventually, like after collecting evidence, like I said, it would be a total of 26 murder charges, six of which he's convicted. He was held in the Surrey British Columbia Jail, where he shared a cell with an undercover police officer.
Speaker 1And blabbed his mouth Blabber, dabber, dabber. And the pig farm, like I said, had become the largest crime scene in canadian history. Investigators actually took 200 000 dna samples and see 600 000 exhibits. Archaeologists and forensic experts had to use heavy equipment to sift through 383,000 cubic yards of soil looking for human remains Right where the piggies pooped, and everything because it would come yeah.
Speaker 1The cost of the investigation estimated nearly 70 million dollars. Holy moly, doll hairs, doll hairs, doll hairs, doll hairs. In Picton's preliminary hearing, due to the unprecedented volume and complexity of legal issues that had to be litigated, they decided that they were going to do the first six charges, but it wouldn't be until January 22nd of 2007. Because there was just so much stuff. So on December 9th in 2007, that's when Pickton was found guilty by a jury on six counts of second degree murder, he was sentenced to life imprisonment in a federal penitentiary I can't say anything In a federal pen, in a federal pen, in a federal penitentiary.
Speaker 2I can't say anything In a federal pen, in a federal pen, in a federal pig pen.
Speaker 1With no possibility of parole for 25 years. That's a Canadian thing. Those convictions were upheld by the Supreme Court of Canada in 2010 because he had tried to appeal. Although Pickton claimed to have murdered 49 women, he was only charged with the 26 who could be identified with evidence found on the pig farm. There's also an additional unidentified woman whose remains were found and obviously she's a Jane Doe. Still, the Jane Doe charge was eventually dismissed by the court because of a lack of information about her identity and the time of her death. After Pickton was convicted of six charges in the initial trial, they kept open the possibility of trying Pickton on the other 20 charges at a later date. However, on the 4th of August in 2010, prosecutors announced that they wouldn't actually proceed with those 20 charges. They said a second trial, even with further convictions achieved, wouldn't add anything to his punishment.
Speaker 2So, because it's already at the maximum, Right, it's just pointless at that point because he's not going to get out.
Speaker 1However, that decision did anger some of those families, obviously right because they want justice yeah, others said they were relieved at being spared the experience of a another long and difficult trial in 2016. There's actually an autobiographical book titled Picton, in his own words, that was allegedly written by Picton and smuggled out of the prison Weird. Yeah, it was at one time offered for sale on Amazon but was withdrawn due to public outrage.
Speaker 2Yeah, we guess so but was withdrawn due to public outrage.
Speaker 1Yeah, we guess so. So on May 19th of 2024, picton was attacked in a quote-unquote major assault at the Port Cartier Institution in Quebec. A 51-year-old fellow inmate stabbed picton in the face with a broken broomstick shank. Yeah, the 74 year old picton was put on life support and was in a medically induced coma, but he died on the 31st of May from his injuries. This inmate that stabbed him in the face is now finally this year being charged with first-degree murder charges for that death. So there was a ton of stuff that was looked at where he was being held, so we'll kind of talk about that a little bit. Apparently, this happens while the prison is going around giving out medications that night.
Speaker 2In the 7pm-ish hour.
Speaker 1Now, despite the fact that there's a high security level because obviously these are, this is a maximum security prison. But the weirdest junk is that they have, like, free access to cleaning supplies, the broom Mops yeah, any of that. They're not locked away. There's no inventory of these things, so literally like they could be busting up broomsticks all day long and hiding that stuff in their cell Because they can just get it whenever they want. So that was like a big thing. Going back on the prison itself, and they're you know.
Speaker 2Yes, we're locking up cleaning supplies now.
Speaker 1Yeah, because at first they thought, oh well, maybe there wasn't enough guards, but it was the normal amount of guards for the night right and everything else. But yeah, so they. They just said there was a little bit of a scuffle right at the beginning of medicine handouts. That was broken up between the two of them and then, I guess 10 minutes later, the broomstick incident right occurs.
Speaker 2He's like shank shank right in the face yeah.
Speaker 1So he gets taken to a hospital, that and then that hospital is like yeah, his stuff is so major we can't deal with him here. So then they lifelight him to another hospital where he's put in intensive care, but he still ends up passing away due to his injuries. This is another one of those moments where I go. It's like the Jeffrey Dahmer thing. It's like you spent your life killing people and then someone killed you. Sometimes. I like it that way.
Speaker 2Sometimes karma has its way of coming around.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's like sucks, doesn't it? Yeah, it really does, especially these people that have admitted and have like mounds of evidence.
Speaker 2Yeah, and have bragged about it and talked about it to their, you know, cellmates. Yeah, talked about it to their cellmates.
Speaker 1Yeah, we could have gone way into this and spent multiple episodes talking about all of this stuff, but I just wanted to skim the surface.
Speaker 2Yeah, that was interesting, though that's crazy.
Speaker 1I've never heard of him. I heard his episode on Crime Junkie but didn't remember it until I started reading stuff about the victims and whatever. And then I went wait a minute, yeah.
Speaker 2I do that this is familiar.
Speaker 1And then I had to Google and go oh yeah, they sure did. So I did hear it there, but I just didn't remember it. And then I was digging around going, hey, I need to do something, like I did something for Australia, let's do something for Canada, because they were the two first.
Speaker 2Right, our two international listeners, yeah.
Speaker 1First other countries to listen, right, so I wanted to. I was like, let me, let me do that real quick, like, and so I just looked up somebody that would be popular so that I know that I could find enough information to make it worth right everyone's while and make sure I had a at least 30 minutes which I, like I said I could have had like forever. Yeah, it's a lot, but, um, I just the biggest part I wanted to include was his murder. Yep, so, but there was, um, that survivor and I think she also went on to talk about what happened to her and like how she went through so much survivors, guilt, mm, hmm, and, like you know her, they, they really felt like a community of sisters. Yeah, there, I mean, that's all they had was each other and, like you know, she just kept going how did I get away? But the rest of them didn't, you know, really sad.
Speaker 2And we do have a new listener from a country that I didn't even know was there. It's the island of Reunion.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's actually like a French territory. Yeah, it's a French territory.
Speaker 2It's like off of the coast of Madagascar, so thanks for including us on your island. Yeah. And we hope that you listen to all of our episodes? Yeah, and give us a shout out to all of our episodes. Yeah, and give us a shout out because we're still waiting to hear from somebody from another country, right.
Show Updates & Listener Connections
Speaker 1But speaking of hearing from somebody and I meant to mention this in the beginning that one of our previous cases, morgan Bower's mother, sent us a message on our YouTube to let us know that the other person that was involved in her daughter's murder, caitlin, is actually still in prison and that they have a court date in october for her so that's so cool that her mother reached out to you.
Speaker 2yeah, I was like whoa, I know it's like oh my gosh, we are being out to you. Yeah, I was like whoa, I know. It's like oh my gosh, we are being listened to, you know.
Speaker 1And I was like I feel so much for the moms that lose their babies this way, because I'm just like I could not even imagine, nope. I could tell you that I mean psycho cancer right here. I'm not sure they'd make it to the police. I might. Yeah, they're not, no not at all. If I found out who it was, I'm not sure they'd make it yeah, so I never said that.
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