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Ep. 58-The Meanest Man in America: Donald "Pee Wee" Gaskins
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The story of Donald "Pee Wee" Gaskins unfolds like a horrifying fairy tale – a broken little boy from South Carolina who grew up to become "the meanest man in America." Standing at just 5'4", this diminutive figure carved a path of destruction that few serial killers have matched, claiming over 100 victims during his reign of terror.
Born in 1933 to a mother who drifted between abusive men, young Donald experienced unimaginable trauma that shaped his twisted worldview. By age 11, he had abandoned school, already harboring deep hatred toward women. His journey through reform school, where he was viciously victimized, only hardened his violent tendencies. The podcast traces his evolution from troubled teen to calculating killer with chilling precision.
What makes Gaskins particularly fascinating is his methodical approach to murder. He categorized his killings as either "recreational" (random victims he tortured for pleasure) or "serious" (targeted murders of acquaintances and family members). His sadism knew no bounds – forcing victims to consume parts of their own bodies, occasional cannibalism, and even purchasing a hearse to transport corpses while joking openly about his intentions. The hosts explore the disturbing psychology behind these behaviors while examining the nature versus nurture debate that inevitably surfaces in cases like this.
The episode reaches its climax with Gaskins' final act of violence – constructing a bomb inside a radio to kill a fellow inmate while serving a life sentence. Despite his desperate last-minute attempt to avoid execution by slashing his wrists, Pee Wee Gaskins met his end in the electric chair on September 6, 1991. Through thoughtful discussion of childhood trauma and its consequences, the hosts pose difficult questions about what creates a monster and whether some people are simply born with darkness inside them.
Follow us on social media or email us at steeped@holdmysweettea.com to share your thoughts on this chilling case. And remember – just because someone is small in stature doesn't mean they can't be incredibly dangerous.
Sources:
Kirby, Wolford, Hayward, Department of Psychology, Raiford University, Donald Henry Gaskins Jr. "PeeWee", https://web.archive.org/web/20121224205708/http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Psyc%20405/serial%20killers/Gaskin%2C%20Pee%20Wee.pdf
United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit, October 15, 1990, Gaskins v. Mckellar, https://web.archive.org/web/20081007141112/http://www.altlaw.org/v1/cases/535927
Montaldo, Charles, October 23, 2019, Serial killer Donald "Pee Wee" Gaskins, One of the most prolific killers in U.S. History, https://web.archive.org/web/20201111164611/https://www.thoughtco.com/donald-pee-wee-gaskins-973165
Introduction to Donald "Pee Wee" Gaskins
Speaker 1Today we're talking about a man who went from being a broken little boy in South Carolina to one of the most feared and notorious serial killers in American history. This is Hold my Sweet Teeth. So so, hey, everybody, I'm.
Speaker 2Holly and I'm Pearl, and Holly is about to tell us a little something, something about Josimar Cabrera. Did you all see it?
Speaker 1Oh my gosh, I was watching the news. I always watch, like ABC World News the next morning on YouTube, because I don't stay up late enough to watch it at night or I just forget about it. But this guy allegedly.
Speaker 2On ring camera.
Speaker 1On ring camera.
Speaker 1Dragging a body in a blanket right allegedly killed his wife and fled to peru. Um, he's from lancaster, california, but the video was so clear and crisp you could see the outline of her body through the sheet, which was probably from their bed, dragging her along the ground, swinging it, trying to, you know, gain some momentum so he could get it to wherever he was taken to and then dump the body in the woods yeah, and I'm sitting here, you're showing me that video this morning and I'm going oh my god, that's a leg yep, that's her head, yep, and when you turn around you can see, see like her butt outline and everything, so like it's definitely a human body in there, but crazy.
Speaker 1Maybe get some updates whenever they catch him in Peru. Yeah, hopefully Crazy stuff. Indeed, I just don't see how people think that they can get away with things. We were just talking about this. Everybody has cameras on their houses Everywhere. Yes, they, yes.
Speaker 2They're everywhere. There's no such thing as privacy.
Speaker 1Pearl flips hers off every morning. I do. She sent me a video today.
Speaker 2I was like, oh my God, I pull out my driveway and I purposely stop at the one that's on my driveway and I flip it off and shake the birds. Shake the birds, stick my tongue out and I flip it off and shake my.
Speaker 1Shake the birds, shake the birds, stick my tongue out and then I drive away.
Speaker 2Every day. That's hilarious, and no one in my house has seen these and said anything.
Speaker 1I'm just going to keep doing it until someone sees it and they're like what did you do that for? I literally do it every single morning. That's hilarious, yeah. So I mean, you can't get away with things these days unless you're like out in the sticks somewhere everybody has I don't know all them hunting cameras out there they got hunting cameras in the woods. Those will be catching you too oh yeah, wouldn't it be awesome if somebody's hunting camera caught somebody dragging a body and burying it?
Speaker 2I'm sure it's probably happened before we just haven't heard about it? Yeah, for sure. So that's crazy, but so is what you're talking about today.
Speaker 1Yes, so today's episode gave you a little teaser in the beginning. South Carolina I'm sure a lot of you have heard of Donald Peewee Gaskins. He is quoted as being the meanest man in America.
Speaker 2Hmm.
Speaker 1And he was a short man, about 5'4", so he got the name Pee-wee and I don't know if that just made him even meaner because of the nickname or the abuse that he received as a child. But we're going to go through, or maybe it's both, and I think, like this, probably both. A lot of you, I'm sure, have heard of Pee Wee Gaskins, so I'm not going to go like delve into this whole story, but I'm going to take you on a timeline journey of events from his childhood to his death. All right, so we're gonna go through the whole thing and you know it's like being on the magic school bus right, it's like a tour over here to your left, if you look to your left, if you look to your left, you'll see this guy over here cannibalizing.
Speaker 1No, but he did abuse, torture, murder and delve into some cannibalism in his lifetime. So, listener, discretion advised, ew. So let's walk through this wild, disturbing timeline together, so 1933. Ooh, disturbing timeline together, so 1933. Ooh, that's a long time ago. And when I tell you this you're going to be like, oh, I see why he's the way he is. Okay, donald Gaskin was born March 13th 1933.
Childhood Trauma and Teenage Crimes
Speaker 2Makes total sense. Right, them Pisces, men are cuckoo-ca-choo Yup.
Speaker 1In Florence County, South Carolina. He was the product of poverty, neglect, abuse, His mother she was just one of those. Like, she drifted from man to man. She needed a man in her life all the time, and when that one didn't work out, she was just one of those. Like, she drifted from man to man. She needed a man in her life all the time, and when that one didn't work out, she wanted another man. So it was just man to man, and most of them for some reason hated little Donald. They beat him just for being in the room. So it was those kind of men Quality men, Quality at its finest.
Speaker 2She was a more quantity over quality.
Speaker 1Yeah, exactly, she did get married off and on and one of his stepdaddies had beat him and his half-sibling daily. It was nothing. Nobody protected him, not even his mother. Daily, like it was nothing. Nobody protected him, not even his mother. By the time Pee Wee was 11, he was done with school, filled with hate, especially toward women.
Speaker 1Of course yeah, because the one woman who should have been there and protected him. The right way wasn't right. So this is where we talk about, you know, childhood trauma, nature versus nurture, that whole thing, because a lot of serial killers come from this type of environment and it's a debate that explores the influences of genetics and environment yeah, I mean, I think they just work hand in hand when it comes to this type of situation.
Speaker 2For sure, it's no nature versus it's nurture.
Speaker 1It's nature embraces horrible lack of nurture, lack of nurture, exactly, and, like you, have all these environmental influences and upbringing and experiences and social factors, like most of the traits, are influenced by complex interplay of both nature and nurture. So, and I mean, you have jeffrey dahmer's situation, you have ed gein's situation, like all of these serial killers that had these neglectful mothers, horrible childhoods yeah, they're, like, born a little odd, and it's just expounded by the fact that they're born into a situation that isn't ideal, right, so it exacerbates.
Speaker 1Absolutely the problem. So by 1940s Peewee was a teenager and he ran around with two other boys, danny and marsh. They called themselves the trouble trio. Oh wow, bad boys, bad boys. So what you gonna do? So the trouble trio started off with burglaries, picking up prostitutes. But things escalated. There was assault, rape and eventually violence within their own circle. So they started beating up on each other like girlfriends and things like that. Beating up on each other or like girlfriends and things like that. So at 13, during a burglary, a girl caught peewee in her house with an axe. He turned it on her, striking her before she ran off. She did survive, but peewee was arrested for attempted murder and sent to reform school reform school yeah for school.
Speaker 1Yeah, for trying to kill someone, right, because you know you're 13. 13?
Speaker 2Yes, what is with 13?
Speaker 1Well, I mean, did you watch the movie 13? That's an old one, yeah For sure. But I mean, they sent him off to reform school. Okay, you split this girl's face with a an axe.
Speaker 2She survived, but let's send you to reform school. Yeah, the punishment definitely did not fit the crime here.
Speaker 1So from 1946 to 1951, reform school was. It was brutal for Pee Wee. He was small, he was targeted immediately. He he was gang raped, beaten, exploited. He tried to escape multiple times, even joining a carnival for a short while, but he always ended up back inside and then he got his release on his 18th birthday in 1951.
Reform School and Prison Years
Speaker 1So we roll into the 1950s, after reform school. Like he just he couldn't stay straight. He tried for a little while he worked at a tobacco farm. But he started getting caught up in insurance scams, burning barns and trying to collect money, you know, helping people out like, oh, I'll go set fire to this and we'll collect insurance money and you pay me. So he got caught up in that fire to this and we'll collect insurance money and you pay me. So he got caught up in that. And then his employer's daughter confronted him about it and he split her skull with a hammer again. She survived, but peewee went to prison for attempted murder. Oh, not the first time but the second time. So prison was where he learned survival the hard way he should have learned survival, the hard way in reform school, exactly.
Speaker 1But okay. He became what inmates call a power man. Someone feared for their violence. He earned that reputation by slitting the throat of another inmate, Hazel Brazel.
Speaker 2And he didn't get a life sentence for that For murdering someone in jail.
Speaker 1In jail on your attempted murder. Yeah, staycation Correct. Yeah, staycation correct. Wow. So peewee was in and out of prison through the 50s and into the 60s, so now we're going to roll into the 60s. He had multiple short-lived marriages. I wonder why.
Speaker 2He hated women, so I'm sure, that's why did you get married right?
Speaker 1you know, like this tiny little man that you're looking down on, he got tricked by a carnival woman who stole his car and he even did time in federal prison where he met mafia boss Frank Costello, who nicknamed him the Little Hatchet man. Oh, my goodness, I wonder if that's where ICP gets their hatchet man from. Wow, icp reference Yuck, crazy. So by 1969, pee Wee was out and about and he picked up a female hitchhiker, a minor she. He had several sexual advances toward her and she laughed. She was like no, no, you know, and all that stuff. Well, that laugh sent him over the edge. He beat her, raped her, tortured her and he drowned her in a swamp. So this like, pee Wee said that this was kind of a way like his so-called vision, and it found a way to ease the bothersome feelings he was having.
Speaker 2So he started torturing and murdering more Because it made him feel better.
Recreational Kills and Murder Spree
Speaker 1It gave him a high and made him feel better. And then he was like I'm not going to think about my crap life, this makes me feel good. And from that moment on there was like no stopping him. So in the 1970s, pee Wee claimed to have killed over 80 boys and girls. I say boys and girls, men, women, male, female. There was no ages of all of them, but we're just going to group them in here. He would pick up hitchhikers, torture them for days, sometimes eating parts of them. He called these his recreation kills. He would also torture them, chop off body parts and make them eat part of their own self. Oh my, gosh.
Speaker 1You know, if you don't, I'll kill you. I've been like kill me, You're going to kill me. Anyway, you're going to kill me anyway, I'm not eating my own leg. Sorry, yeah, not sorry, that's what I was going to say.
Speaker 2You're going kill me anyway, you're gonna kill me. Anyway, I'm not eating my own leg, sorry. Yeah, not sorry, that's awesome. So you're gonna kill me anyway, just do it. And then.
Speaker 1then came more. Those were his recreational kills, okay, so then came more serious murders. I'm like there's more, there's more friends, family Friends, family people. He knew His 15-year-old niece, janice Kirby, and her friend Patricia, a young woman named Martha Dix, and in 1973, he even bought a hearse telling folks at a bar he needed it to haul bodies. People thought he was joking. Turns out he was not joking, not joking at all Like he was literally killing his like family friends, like he didn't care. He didn't care, there was no those were.
Speaker 1Those were serious business kills, not recreational, recreational right right. So 1975 he was still still. He started doing contract murders, including one of a wealthy farmer, silas Yates. He worked with accomplices like Walter Neely and others bringing victims, burying his victims in a private graveyard, so it was on his property. He was burying people, so he'd go do these contract kills, bury their bodies there.
Speaker 2Nobody knew what happened to him In your own backyard, basically In your backyard yep Wow.
Speaker 1This is where Pee Wee slipped up. His accomplices started talking, Police applied pressure and Neely cracked Of course someone's gonna. So he led investigators straight to Pee-wee's burial ground. They dug up eight bodies. That's all. That's all. What did he do with all the other ones? Eat them.
Speaker 2I'm like golly that's it Right.
Conviction, Prison Murder, and Execution
Speaker 1So on May 24th 1976, pee-wee was found guilty of murder and sentenced to death. But just months later the US Supreme Court ruled South Carolina's death penalty unconstitutional.
Speaker 2He should still be stuck in prison.
Speaker 1So Pee Wee's sentence was commuted to life in prison, forever, forever. Commuted to life in prison, forever, forever. So in from 1978 to 1980, when the death penalty came back in, like 78 peewee didn't think much of it, so they re-initialized it. They were like, okay, we're going to bring the death penalty back Until he killed again, this time inside prison, like he should have never been let out for the other one.
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean you murdered somebody else in prison. You shouldn't have been out after that.
Speaker 1He was hired to kill a fellow inmate. Rudolph Tyner, who had murdered an elderly couple, doesn't make it better. You literally killed your family in recreational kills of people along the road Of Lord knows how many Right.
Speaker 1It's thundering out, perfect timing, right Mood sounds. So Pee Wee literally built a bomb inside of a radio and blew tyner up in his cell. That's how he killed him. Oh, wow, okay, yeah. So that earned him the nickname the meanest man in america. So we're in more modern day, 1991. Even after his conviction, pee Wee tried to save himself confessing to more murders over a hundred by his count. But investigators could never verify many of his claims. Some say he exaggerated to boost his reputation.
Speaker 2But did he they?
Speaker 1do that a lot, but yeah, did he, did he really?
Speaker 2Because I mean they do that a lot. But yeah, did he? Did he really? Because I mean sounds like he was just on this little merry-go-round right.
Speaker 1Murder like he didn't care. I don't like your face. Murder, you're a woman.
Speaker 2Murder like yeah, somebody hired me to kill you murder I'll put you in my backyard. We're in the bathroom at the same time.
Speaker 1Murder. Your peewee is bigger than my peewee.
Speaker 2Murder.
Speaker 1So on September 6th of 1991, donald Peewee Gaskin was executed in the electric chair. He fought it to the end, though he even slashed his own wrist hours before thinking that that would like postpone it. They literally stitched him up, put him to death at 1.05 am Done. Like thanks for him. To death at 1.05 am Done.
Speaker 2Like. Thanks for trying to help us out.
Speaker 1But he's like you're not going to kill me, I'm going to kill me. Nope, we're going to kill you, we're going to electrocute you.
Speaker 2We're going to save your life Right, so you can die again, exactly.
Speaker 1You almost died, let's save you. Exactly, you almost died, let's save you. Ok, let's die. All right, now you so. Was Pee Wee Gaskins really America's most prolific serial killer, or just a small man desperate to be feared and remembered like little man syndrome? Yeah 100 percent he was. He was very tiny in frame too, mm-hmm Like the whole thing.
Speaker 2Probably much like the nature versus nurture situation. Mm-hmm, I feel like it's a combination of the two. Yep, I hope everyone enjoys our Louisiana weather.
Speaker 1I know Because I'm leaving it in it's rumbling, yes, know, because I'm leaving it in it's rumbling, yes, so either way, he. He literally left a trail of horror through south carolina that people will never forget. So he's there.
Speaker 2he's their number one serial killer over there in south carolina yeah, I would say if you've been around for a long time in south carolina, that's probably somebody you remember for sure.
Speaker 1You hear stories of peewee Gaskins and I'm sure the family members that he left alive probably still talk about him to this day.
Speaker 2Yeah, whoever made it past him, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1Like it's just wild to think that somebody committed all these crimes?
Speaker 2Oh look my niece and her friend are hanging out. Let me kill him. Yeah, slash, slash, like it's just like what is wrong. Yeah, with you, like we'll never know.
Speaker 1Well, I'm sure the beatings he got and everything probably loosened something in his I just feel like I don't know.
Speaker 2I guess the thing that I don't understand. I'm a person who comes from like childhood trauma that we're not going to discuss the details of. Am I doing this to other people, right? Hell, nah. So I know misery loves company, but why do you carry it on to someone else when you know how it affected you, right?
Speaker 1I love that rolling thunder. It's lovely, right, and I mean same. I can't. I had childhood trauma, sexual abuse, all that stuff, and I didn't flip a switch and go. You know, if I kill this person, maybe it'll make me feel better. If I do this, maybe it'll make me feel better If I do this. Maybe it'll make my childhood trauma go away.
Speaker 2Or if I do to someone else what's been done to me? Right, exactly what's been done to me.
Speaker 1I don't have that need for revenge.
Speaker 2How does that fix anything?
Speaker 1It doesn't.
Speaker 2It really doesn't. It doesn't fix anything.
Speaker 1It doesn't make your situation better by taking it out on an innocent person.
Speaker 2No, it makes it.
Speaker 1Much worse.
Speaker 2And then you've now put someone else in the same position you were in Like I. I just could never.
Speaker 1No.
Speaker 2Never.
Speaker 1But that makes us sane and you know Right, Other people insane.
Speaker 2I'm too logical to Right.
Speaker 1To carry this on. It ends with me, right, I'm too logical to carry this on.
Speaker 2It ends with me.
Speaker 1Right Because. I couldn't survive prison life. I mean, I'd be the meanest bitch up in there. Probably that's what I was going to say.
Speaker 2That's the one part where I would definitely be something.
Speaker 1I'm not Exactly. Because at that point I'm like like it's you or me right buckle up buttercup, right, but like no, I I couldn't. Yeah, unless you know, scented candles blankets my animals, some books right maybe Some books Right, maybe, but I doubt it.
Speaker 2They're not going to let you have those candles.
Speaker 1Holly, or your animals. I need my scented candles and my animals.
Speaker 2They're like here's your one sheet Right, no blanket.
Speaker 1I need a blanket, no pillow. Sure, no blanket. I need a blanket, no pillow. Sure, just roll up your clothes, you can use those as a pillow. I'd be like I'm gonna need some fuzzy socks, not the grippy ones too bad, ma'am.
Speaker 2Yeah, griy, it is oh my gosh.
Speaker 1But yeah, I, like I said, it was more of a a timeline of events than a whole. Let's get into every single thing that he did, because there's a lot that he did yeah, I have no a lot of detail, but I mean just knowing this stuff and how his life went from one extreme to the other extreme.
Speaker 1It's just crazy and mind-boggling that somebody can flip a switch, like I said I'm gonna need a nap I know I'm like I need need to go home and get in bed and take a nap with my animals.
Closing Thoughts and Show Sign-off
Speaker 2It's really bright outside, despite the noise we hear.
Speaker 1Yeah. It's not dark Yesterday it was g-rose Yesterday, reminded me of monsoon season in Arizona.
Speaker 2And anybody listening, who knows what that's like, can imagine what it looked like out here. Yeah, the scary thing was wind blowing one direction and it switched. Yeah, it chilled out for a few seconds and then it switched and blew the other way. Yeah, that was freaky.
Speaker 1Yeah, it was a bad storm cell that went through and got pine needles and leaves all over my car.
Speaker 2at least it was just that and it wasn't the whole tree limb right, but I was like dang it. Now I have to pick these off. That happens sometimes I know but someone else pretty small and powerful, but way less mean. Yes, patty sells that up. She created our theme music, absolutely. But she ain't out here slashing and murdering. No, and nobody's calling her peewee, nope.
Speaker 1She's just out here slaying.
Speaker 2Yeah, in a different way. Right, y'all make sure you go follow the band. She's in Wonderkind on Facebook. Yep, catch her somewhere, if you live in Louisiana, so you can see what we're talking about. Right, be like. Oh, you're Patty. Okay, then you could message us. Yes On social media and be like oh my God, I went and watched Patty. It was so great. Yes, or you can email us about it at steeped at holdmysweetteacom.
Speaker 1Yep. So message us and, as always, hold my Sweet Tea is a Drunken Bee production. And you remember to stay safe out there. Don't hitchhike, don't get picked up by small men.
Speaker 2Yeah, just because they're little, doesn't?
Speaker 1mean they're safe. Yep, and just because we're dipping doesn't mean you can't keep sipping. Bye, Thank you. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.