Ep. 108-Inside ADX: Silence as a Sentence | The Psychology of America’s Supermax Prison

A ballroom fantasy meets a concrete cell. We open with our love of escapism—the lush string covers, the dance cards, the guilty-pleasure joy—and then pull a hard turn into the stark reality of ADX Florence, the “Alcatraz of the Rockies,” where isolation isn’t a punishment inside a prison. It is the prison. We walk you into a seven-by-twelve-foot cell, a narrow sky-slit for light, a concrete bed, and the ritual of 23 hours alone that turns minutes into fog and silence into pressure.

From there, we dig into the psychology of solitary. Research shows the amygdala dialing up threat detection while the prefrontal cortex falters under stress. With no faces or feedback loops, the mind makes its own signals—phantom whispers, footsteps, the compulsion to talk and then answer yourself. Clinicians call the pattern SHU syndrome: panic, hypersensitivity, rumination, and hallucinations. We connect those findings to the facility’s core mission: halt violence, sever networks, and stop high-risk leaders—cartel bosses, terrorist organizers, escape artists—from directing harm behind bars.

We trace how ADX emerged after lethal incidents at high-security prisons and why the design rejects communal life entirely: meals through a slot, an hour in a concrete “dog run,” no group yard, no audience to command. Then we press into the ethics. Is prolonged isolation a necessary shield or a slow-motion cruelty? We weigh lawsuits, the Eighth Amendment debates, and the painful tradeoff between public safety and human dignity. Along the way, we confront the strange gravity of prison idolization—why some people fawn over killers—and how manipulation thrives even through glass and distance.

By the end, you’ll have a clear view of the architecture, the neuroscience, the notorious cases, and the moral fault lines that make Supermax both a solution and a question. Hit play, then tell us where you land: death penalty or decades of isolation—and why. If this moved you, subscribe, share with a friend, and leave a review to help more curious listeners find the show.

Sources:

ADX Florence overview — Federal Bureau of Prisons
https://www.bop.gov/locations/institutions/flm/

Federal Bureau of Prisons — Supermax facility information
https://www.bop.gov/about/facilities/federal_prisons.jsp

Grassian, Stuart.
Psychiatric Effects of Solitary Confinement
American Journal of Psychiatry

Haney, Craig.
The Psychological Effects of Solitary Confinement
UC Santa Cruz / Prison Law Office research

Solitary Watch
Research archive on solitary confinement conditions
https://solitarywatch.org

Transcript

Supermax Versus Maximum Security

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In a traditional maximum security prison, inmates move in groups, meals are communal, yard time may involve interaction, programming and education exist. Maximum security is structured control. But in Friedmont County, Colorado, Supermax prison is isolation control. No communal dining, no shared recreation, minimal human contact. It's engineered separation. This is Hold My Sweet Tea.

Hosts, Bridgerton, And Escapism

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And I'm Pearl. And we're not the British. No. But we have been watching Bridgerton.

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We have. We've watched a ton of Bridgerton. Yes. And then I watched Queen Charlotte.

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And I told her you were going to ball at the end of Queen Charlotte.

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Yeah.

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And she did.

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And I did. Damn it. It was so good. It really was.

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But yes, Bridgerton, love it. Chef's kiss.

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Yeah.

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Can't wait to the next season now.

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Lots of nakedness.

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Yeah.

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Lord Jesus.

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Not as much nakiness, I think, as the first season. They've kind of toned down the nakiness a little bit, but yeah, there's still some nakedness.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

Yeah. See a lot of men butts. Yeah, there's a lot of butts. Booties. Yeah. Booty dudes. I guess they're like catering to the chicks these days. They're like, look at these Burgerton asses. Right. Look at them. I mean, I I do watch it by myself. Right. Most of the time. Same. So. Yeah. I I don't think any of the guys in in the world really want to watch Bridgerton. Right. No, I don't I'm I don't think so. So I guess it makes sense. We're not seeing a ton of stuff except for dude's butts.

SPEAKER_00 2:29

Yeah. But I like the uh the TikTok videos of people like doing the little dance with the deer thing. If if you watched it, you'll know what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_01 2:42

I know, and I always giggle when I hear like certain songs in the when they're in there playing instruments in the bottles and stuff like that. And I laugh and I'm like, go ahead, Alicia Keys in the 1800s. Right. And I'm like, woo-hoo.

SPEAKER_00 2:57

Got some Taylor Swift up in there, got some what Bruno Mars, I think, is called. Yeah, they're just like I love it.

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It's it's fun. I like how they there was, I can't even remember what song, but there was a song from the 80s that was in there in one of them, and I was like, oh, check it out. I start singing it in my head.

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And I like how they do that. They'll they'll mix in elements like that with the you know, yeah, the Burgerton style and all that stuff. I want to go like beyond the ton.

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Right. When when is someone having a Burgerton-themed ball that I can go to? Right. Absolutely need one of those. I would have so much fun.

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I mean, we already looked up dresses on we can stag. Right, we can stag. Like we looked up dresses on Amazon already. Yeah.

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So if you're about to have a Burgerson ball and you live nearby, please send us an invitation.

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Absolutely.

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Send your little guy in a carriage. Yes. Bring me my invitation on a plate.

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I will bring little tea sandwiches and we can eat them with our pinkies up.

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Make sure you provide dance cards.

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Yes, dance card. Oh my God. That's so awesome. Put your name on my dance card.

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A good little area to promenade.

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Yes. Absolutely.

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No, but literally, yeah, it's it's always fun to watch something like that kind of transport you to somewhere else. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's romanticizing your life.

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That's why I like reading too. But I don't read anything even near what I want. Like I don't near near watch anything. I'm like, Bridgerton, I don't read it. I don't read it.

SPEAKER_00 4:37

No. My last read was dark psychology and mind manipulation. But it was like an interesting read, though. Yeah. Not because I want to be Mega

Reading Tastes And Dark Psychology

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Mind, but because I want to know if somebody's doing that to me.

SPEAKER_01 4:53

Yeah. I just I read a lot of psychological thrillers. So same. Yeah. That's where I'm at.

SPEAKER_00 5:03

Do the same thing. And it the mind control thing, like, it's really interesting because watching a lot of true crime stuff and you see the like how the police present their questioning and how you know they get in there and they they're really nice at first and they get to know you and they get you to talking, and then the way they present their that's kind of what this is like how this is. So you learn those techniques and you can see if somebody's doing it to you, back to you. So you you'll know.

SPEAKER_01 5:38

Holly's preparing.

SPEAKER_00 5:40

I'm preparing. No, no, but I I think it's interesting, and I've always wanted to like take a psychology class and like investigations and all that stuff. So it's it's within the true crime genre.

SPEAKER_01 5:54

Yeah, it's it's sticking to what you're doing, yeah. Yeah. I um try to listen to a variety of other things, but I literally just always end up back in the psychological thrillers or anything Stephen King.

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Yeah, oh yeah.

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Any horror stuff, any the scarier, the better, the weirder, unexplained stuff. Love it. That's that's my thing. I am not I keep seeing, and I don't know why Facebook keeps suggesting all these books that are like that dark, sinister romance, and I'm like dark smut. You know, I don't want to read it. Yeah, it looks lovely. I don't want to read it.

SPEAKER_00 6:43

I don't know. I kind of like smut a little bit, you know. I'll I'll read some, but the darker smut is is better, I think. I just I don't want the lovey dovey smut.

SPEAKER_01 6:52

My my daughter reads some of the dark smut and she'll tell me about it, and I'm like, ugh, right? Oh my god. Well, I mean, we started. Why I don't listen, I'm just like uninterested.

SPEAKER_00 7:08

I mean, we started back in the day with Anne Rice and her sleeping beauty series. That was like smut introduction right there.

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And that was bad, but like some of this stuff now is like on the verge of whoever wrote this is probably abusing animals.

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Oh my god.

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I'm like, mmm, that's a little too much.

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Yeah, it's a little too much.

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So I just I just steer clear of it to be safe. I'm just getting here. Because the next thing you know,

Pivot To Prison And ADX Florence

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I'm reading something about somebody loving a sheep, and I'm like, no.

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No.

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Delete.

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Absolutely not.

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Delete. I'm sorry.

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Well, we're going from smut to prison.

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Smut to prison.

SPEAKER_01 7:55

Lots of smut gets read in prison.

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Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure a lot of smut gets done in prison. Right. And, you know, you you have these like hardened criminals that are running cartels and gangs and drugs and all this stuff from prison.

SPEAKER_01 8:18

You mean they're still doing the same crimes they did out of prison while they're in prison? Yes. Fun times.

SPEAKER_00 8:24

So they get sent to America's Supermax prison. And a lot of people don't even know this prison exists. And I know we're traveling out of the south a little bit, but we're going to Friedmont County, Colorado. It is the ADX Florence Supermax prison. That sounds like a robot. Yes, it does. So we're going to do a little exercise in uh psychology right now. So if you're listening, unless you're driving, don't close your eyes. But close your eyes. Clear your mind. So we're going to imagine a room seven feet wide, twelve feet long, the concrete floor, the concrete bed, the concrete walls. There is a narrow four-inch slit in the wall where light enters, but you can't see the world through it. It's only sky. You wake up here, you eat here, you sit here, and you think here. Twenty-three hours a day. No one touches you, no one sits across from you, no one laughs, no one says your name for years. Crazy, huh? So psychologists say that the human brain, of course, is wired for connection. Not preference wiring, but like minor neurons fire when we see other faces. Even though we don't want to be around people sometimes, like you still kind of need a little bit of human interaction, I guess, to really

The Cell: A Guided Visualization

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get your system going. Can I live on the minimum? Yes. I too will live on the minimum. So our nervous systems regulate through proximity. We borrow calm from one another. We also get rage and anxiety from one another because you know, if you can't regulate your that's why there is a such thing as mass hysteria. Yes. So if you think about that, and then remove that, remove faces, remove eye contact, conversation, and leave only thought. That is what it's like being in ADX Supermax prison. One of the former Supermax inmates wrote, after a while, you don't just feel alone, you feel erased.

SPEAKER_01 11:26

It's like the nothingness.

SPEAKER_00 11:28

Yeah. And it consumes you. Because most of the rooms, because they're solid concrete and there is a steel door. Most of the rooms are very silent. And I don't know about you, but silence hurts my ears. I have to have like some kind of noise going because it does like affect my brain when everything is quiet. I need a distraction going on so I can do the other thing that I'm doing. Like watching one of your favorite TV shows while you're doing something, writing out podcasts or whatever. I can I can hear that going, but it's not engaging my mind. It's just a a noise, a white noise or a green noise or a brown noise, whatever kind of noise you have going on. So, like this is not an exaggeration. Research into prolonged isolation shows measurable neurological changes. The amygdala, the brain's threat detection center, can become hyperactive. The prefrontal cortex, which is responsible for like reasoning and emotional regulation, can show stress-related dysfunction. So without social cues, the brain begins automatically like scanning for danger in nothing. So you're just like, what's going on here? Some inmates reported hearing whispers, footsteps, voices, but your brain is trying to reach out and like grab something, grab some kind of sound or something, like any little thing that is heard. One man described it like this. You start talking to yourself, then you start answering. Time just dissolves.

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Yeah, that's what I was gonna say.

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You

How Isolation Rewires The Brain

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like have no idea what day it is. Like you're just you forget what year it is. Like you have no idea. You just exist. So when the brain, yeah, and when your brain is deprived of stimulation, it still doesn't power down. It like amplifies. So in the mountains of Colorado, like I said, there's a prison built entirely around this model. And for some of the most dangerous and notorious inmates in America, this is their their final home. This is where they go. Some go there and get, I guess, you know, to a point where they can let them go back into a regular society like type prison. But these are the people who don't ever need to be anywhere else but there. So this prison opened in 1995. Like I said, in it's in Florence, which is in Friedmont County, Colorado. Um it's officially named the United States Penitentiary Administrative Maximum Facility, but most people just call it ADX. Or the Alcatraz of the Rockies.

SPEAKER_01 14:56

I'm like the never-ending story over here in my brain because I said the nothingness.

SPEAKER_00 15:03

Yeah, the nothingness, yeah. That's what it like what it pretty much is. The nothingness consumes the prison. So this prison, the reason it was built, it was built after a crisis in 1983 at the federal penitentiary in Marion, Illinois, two correctional officers were murdered in separate incidents by inmates. The Bureau of Prison re-evaluated like everything. How do you contain individuals who are too violent for maximum security? Like you're at a max security prison and they're still too violent. So that's why Supermax comes about. Right. They're like too influential to stop leading gangs from behind bars, too high profile to risk escape. So the answer became a new kind of prison. And that's where Supermax was born. Um, it was designed from the ground up around isolation. So not like group management or communal containment, like strict isolation. And even when they get out for the like one hour, if if they've behaved or and I don't see how they can see that they didn't behave because they're locked in the cell, unless there's like a camera in the corner or whatever. But Lily, what can they do? They have a concrete bed, there's a stainless steel sink toilet combo in there, and there's like a little concrete stool, so they can't move anything. I don't even know if they're allowed to have like books or any other type of stimulation.

SPEAKER_01 16:46

It's just it sounds like a lot of sleeping and wasting away.

SPEAKER_00 16:49

Yeah, pretty much, and your like your mind wastes away.

SPEAKER_01 16:53

Well, your body too. And your yeah. Because I can't imagine. I would have to think that they're probably exercising a lot.

SPEAKER_00 17:03

Yeah, but and then you're

Why ADX Was Built And How It Works

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in a seven, seven foot by twelve foot cell.

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So I don't know if I want a psycho dude like constantly working out. Right.

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He's like, I'm getting buff in here.

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I can't do anything else. I gotta do something to get my you know, the serotonin pumping something.

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I was just like, ah. And then like their meals get passed through the little slot in the door. They don't get silverware or anything, they have to eat with their hands, and it's on a like thick plastic tray, I guess, that they can't really break. Um, if permitted, they do get recreation and it's in a like small enclosed concrete pin. So there is like bars at the top where they can see the sky, but you don't get to see a mountain, you don't get to see a tree. Maybe a bird flies across there occasionally, and you're like, oh my gosh, there's a bird. I saw a bird. But they refer to that as a dog run. Um, they, you know, you're still handcuffed, you're still chained to like a dog run, how that is. So you basically get in there, I guess, and just like pace and walk and pace and walk, just to get your steps in because you can't really walk a lot in 12 feet.

SPEAKER_01 18:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:21

I mean, you can back and forth, but like this will give them something to like stretch their legs and get some fresh air in at least for an hour a day. I'd be like, mm, I still got two minutes. Some fresh air. Right. It's not even fresh. Right. But there's no there's no group like yard, there's no communal dining, um, no shared programming, there's no contact with any other inmate.

SPEAKER_01 18:48

Sounds like they're showering or anything like that. It's all they're by themselves.

SPEAKER_00 18:53

Yep. That's it. They take them out, they're like, here's your time, you do this, you do this, you get to go in there, and then you go back into your whole hole. Yeah, pretty much. And that becomes your world. But do you do you feel sorry? Or do you go you put yourself in that situation? But then also, is it like there have been groups that are, you know, saying that this is torture and it's inhumane to put somebody in this situation? It's worse than, you know, the way people treat animals. But is it right? You were put in this situation because you put yourself here and then you were in a maximum security prison, but you killed people behind bars. You still did, you know, ran a drug ring and a gang and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_01 19:54

So what are they supposed to do with you, really?

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Yeah.

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And my thing is, is do they don't have they obviously don't have a concern for other people and their welfare. Right. And whether or not what you just did to them was inhumane. So I'm kind of like, eh, it if you're that bad, you you asked for this.

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Because you know it, you you know, you know what the next step is. Right. And it's not just like emotional deprivation, it's neurological stress. And one doctor, um, Dr. Stuart Grayson, um, a psychiatrist who studied solitary confinement extensively, documented a cluster of symptoms and isolated inmates. So there was like um perceptual distortions, panic attacks, hypersensitivity to sound. I get that. I that's my thing. Um, obsessive rumination and hallucinations. And this became informally known as SHU syndrome. So it

Life Inside: Meals, Yard, And Routine

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it like triggers that and shoo. Yeah. Shoo. Shoo syndrome. Shoo. You got a syndrome. Right. Oh my goodness. So without normal social signals, because I mean, I'm sure at that point you have to keep your put your hands behind your back through the little hole in the where your food comes out, get handcuffed, they take you out. I mean, that's your interaction for the day. Maybe the prison guard who's taking you to the dog run or taking you to the shower, if he chooses to speak with you. That's your only Yeah, your only communication with anyone besides yourself. Right. And your only contact is them like putting the handcuffs on your Holding your arm or something, so that's rough. It is, but you you put yourself there. I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_01 22:12

I wonder like how delusional someone or anyone of them have actually gotten.

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Like, yeah. Because I mean you start doubting your own thoughts, your memories.

SPEAKER_01 22:24

Like how many of them revert to like that childhood thing where you have like imaginary friends? Yeah. And stuff.

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Like, yeah. So in this prison, this is where the you know cartel king himself, El Chapo, is oof. So he even though like he escaped twice from like regular, you know, prisons that are super max supermax, but like maximum security prisons, he was still running drugs and getting his cartel and all that. So after the second time he escaped, they were like, there's not gonna be another one.

SPEAKER_01 23:08

Right.

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Like, this is where you go.

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Now you go to a lone town.

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So I I look at it as it's I think one step before Guantanamo Bay because it's pretty much, you know, an isolation torture over here. Uh when you go to Guantanamo Bay, you're really gonna get tortured.

SPEAKER_01 23:33

You're torture torture.

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Right. And this is also where um Rans Ramsey Youssef is housed. Um he was the mastermind behind the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. So this is where um six people were killed, more than a thousand were injured. His goal was a catastrophic structural collapse. He was captured in Pakistan in 1995 and sentenced to life in prison in the United States. He didn't go there at first, but eventually he was transferred to ADX Florence. Um Youssef was

Ethics: Inhumane Or Necessary Control

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he was not impulsive, he was calculated and strategic and you know, meticulous, and he wanted to hurt a lot of people. So now he has no network, no followers, no audience, just concrete and silence.

SPEAKER_01 24:41

Crazy.

SPEAKER_00 24:42

Yeah. Um exactly. Um the Oklahoma City bomber. Ted Kaczynski. The um, let's see, what is his other name? The shoe bomber, and there was an underwear bomber too. They like sewed it into their clothing and one of them had it in his shoes. So these are people that have killed mass people because of their actions.

SPEAKER_01 25:13

Do you say the Boston Marathon bomber guy is also out there? Yep.

SPEAKER_00 25:17

He is also in there as well. So ADX has faced lawsuits challenging its conditions. Some inmates have argued that prolonged solitary confinement constitute cruel and unusual punishment under the Eighth Amendment. In court filings, one prisoner described long-term isolation as a slow psychological unraveling. Another wrote, solitary confinement is a tomb. You are buried alive. Human rights advocates argue that years of near-total isolation can worsen mental illness. Well, I mean, some of these are serving.

SPEAKER_01 26:02

Do you not think they were already mentally ill with the things they've pulled out?

SPEAKER_00 26:07

Right. Some of these are like, oh, you have 15 counts of life in prison. Like, you're not going anywhere. What are you what are you gonna do?

SPEAKER_01 26:15

I at that point I'd be like, 'an amusement park? Right.

SPEAKER_00 26:19

I'm like, I would be like, just please kill me. Like, give me the death penalty at that point.

SPEAKER_01 26:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:25

So, like, which is worse? The death penalty or this. Yeah. Solitary confinement in a tomb.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

That would be a great one for you guys to tell us.

SPEAKER_00 26:34

But these are, you know, these are individuals who killed inside prison. They coordinated violence behind bars. Um, they're a high-risk national security threat. So they it's important they're kept under wraps. Like you you really can't have sympathy for monsters like that at all.

SPEAKER_01 26:57

Yeah. Sympathy for the devil.

SPEAKER_00 27:00

Right.

SPEAKER_01 27:00

Yeah. No.

SPEAKER_00 27:02

Not today. Not today. And it's I don't know, something about like being in this prison and and it's in Colorado, like, it's kind of like out in the deserty, you know, area and stuff. So there's there's really nothing around there.

SPEAKER_01 27:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:24

So you don't even get any. I mean, maybe occasionally if you're out in the yard, an airplane or something, you can hear or something like that. But you don't hear anything even outside.

SPEAKER_01 27:32

Two, it's not gonna fly over that because that's like restricted airspace. They go around on purpose. Nothing's supposed to fly over any sort of prison.

SPEAKER_00 27:41

And you're surrounded by like the Rocky Mountains, so you don't even get, you know.

SPEAKER_01 27:49

Which is funny because right now they actually have some drone detection antennas

Notorious Inmates And Total Containment

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that are being made and sold to prisons and stuff like that. And that's good because yeah. Because people are literally flying drones over prison yards and dropping stuff in there.

SPEAKER_00 28:09

Yeah, dropping drugs and self-yeah, guns, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 28:14

I'm like, y'all crazy, quit it.

SPEAKER_00 28:16

That happened here not too long ago, and they were like dropping freaking groceries and stuff and food. I'm like, what's wrong with y'all? What is wrong with y'all dropping a drone in here?

SPEAKER_01 28:26

Like, send that man some commissary money and quit it.

SPEAKER_00 28:29

Exactly. Get him some honey buns.

SPEAKER_01 28:31

Like, I mean, golly.

SPEAKER_00 28:35

I did watch the um the Deadpool killer, you know, Wade Wilson documentary and everything. And they were talking about like how he even from behind bars, he still manipulated the crap out of women. And they have no doubt. Oh my god, they they sent him money, they would send him clothes for court, like Gucci shoes, and like he wanted to look sharp and all that stuff, and blah blah blah. Like his commissary was so full he could get whatever he wanted. It is thousands of dollars.

SPEAKER_01 29:07

It is like mind-boggling to think that there are so many women out there. I don't I don't understand the thought process behind it. Like, why? Can someone tell me why anyone?

SPEAKER_00 29:28

Well, it's the same thing with Ted Bundy. Like, he literally murdered and like sexually assaulted the corpses of his victims at like way after and did all this to women and stuff, but then you have all these women that were just like falling over themselves. Richard Ramirez. Yeah. That sucker was not good looking, but like that he had women fawning over him in prison. It's literally like check y'all selves. I think that's a psychological thing that needs to be studied. Like, why women or men? Because there's women in there that you know, and men will write to them. What what makes is that is it just safety to you?

SPEAKER_01 30:07

Like, what is it? Yeah, what is it that triggers you to want to talk to these people? Like you you know that you'll never get to like physically contact, understand why they did what they did, but like why are you guys like love lettering these people and sending them like pictures of yourself?

SPEAKER_00 30:26

And then like Wade Wilson, he literally would love bomb. Yeah, and he had like phone call after phone call after phone call, and he was telling all these women the same thing. When I get if I get out, we're gonna get I'm gonna marry you, all this stuff. And he had them all wrapped around his finger.

SPEAKER_01 30:44

Yeah. I get it.

SPEAKER_00 30:46

Now he's in like more of a maximum security area on death row. And um, they were showing him like videos of him at the end, and he's like all that commissary money, like he's sitting there and ate, he's gotten like just let himself go, just and his teeth have fallen out in the front and stuff like that. And I'm like, how many of those women you still got on the hook there? Hmm.

SPEAKER_01 31:08

Probably still got problems. Sadly, so I'm like, what the hell? I don't I don't get it. So that is one unexplained thing that if you have an explanation for that, I would love to hear it.

SPEAKER_00 31:22

I'm all about learning. Yeah. So, you know, and let us know. Like, do you think that the Supermax prison is inhumane, or do you think it's justice? Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean, what's your opinion? Yeah. Way worse things happen in other countries, I think, as far as torture and their prisons and things like that. So would you rather be in something like that or be isolated with your own mind and your own thoughts and your own delusions?

SPEAKER_01 31:55

Right.

SPEAKER_00 31:56

Like which one's worse. Pick one and let us know.

SPEAKER_01 32:00

Tell us.

SPEAKER_00 32:01

Yes. And don't forget to put a poll on Facebook.

SPEAKER_01 32:04

Yeah, we should. On the day this one releases.

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Yeah.

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That would be a good idea.

SPEAKER_00 32:07

That would be a good idea. And and yeah, go on there and let us know your opinion. And we'll put it on um Instagram too.

Lawsuits, SHU Syndrome, And The Eighth Amendment

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Instagram's good for polling. Yeah. We'll we'll do it. We'll poll everywhere, and then we'll let you know what everybody thinks. Yep. We'll talk about it before the next episode.

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Yes. Where I'm not singing the never-ending story songs. Right. And then thinking about stranger things. Yes. I was like over here going, turn around. I'm missing stranger things. I know.

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Shut your face.

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Just play it on repeat.

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Look at that. You got a song from Pearl at the end.

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Hey!

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And if you're one of our listeners from another country, let us know if there's anything like that in your country, like how the prison systems are. Yeah. Because we'd love to hear about it.

SPEAKER_01 33:04

I apologize for the assault on everyone's ears.

SPEAKER_00 33:06

It's all good. I loved it. Look, we have headphones on and we can hear each other very crisply.

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That could have been very unfortunate a moment ago.

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Yes.

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Aren't the music? Yes. I was made by Patty Salzetta. It sounds amazing, unlike me. Sorry, Patty. Yes, reach out to us, send us an email. At hold my sweet tea podcast at gmail.com.

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Yep.

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Yep. And just, you know, do all those things and send in your stories to Sweet Tea After Dark.

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Yes. Same email. Yep. Hold my sweet tea podcast at gmail.com.

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Because, you know, last week's story was awesome. I loved it.

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Yes.

SPEAKER_00 33:53

Great. We may possibly have another one coming up. So hopefully, hopefully so. Send yours in, though. We'll we'll group a couple together. Yes. Absolutely. But as always, hold my sweet tea is a drunken bee production. And you guys stay safe out there. Stay out of prison. And just because we're dipping doesn't mean you can't keep sipping.