EP. 110-Carlos Marcello: The Quiet New Orleans Mob Boss Who Built A Gulf South Empire

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New Orleans has no shortage of loud legends, but Carlos Marcello is the kind of true crime story that gets under your skin because it’s built on silence. He avoids interviews, dodges photos, and still ends up running a far-reaching New Orleans Mafia operation for decades while most of the country barely knows his name. We walk through how a low-profile boss can become the most powerful person in the room by mastering loyalty, fear, and patience.

We start with Marcello’s early life and the tight Sicilian community that shaped him, including the darker history that pushed neighborhoods to become protective and inward-looking. Then we follow his climb through arrests, prison “education,” and the moment he steps into leadership as the New Orleans crime network expands into gambling, slot machines, labor rackets, bribery, and more. Churchill Farms in Metairie looks like a simple Italian restaurant, but it’s also where influence moves quietly between criminals, business leaders, and public officials.

Things turn explosive when JFK takes office and Robert F. Kennedy targets organized crime. When prosecutors can’t pin charges on Marcello, immigration law becomes the weapon, leading to a jaw-dropping moment where federal agents seize him and dump him in Guatemala. From there, we unpack why Marcello’s name keeps resurfacing in JFK assassination theories, including the CIA’s documented contacts with mafia figures during anti-Castro plots, Lee Harvey Oswald’s New Orleans connections, and the long trail of overlapping criminal networks.

If you love mafia history, New Orleans history, and JFK assassination questions that refuse to die, this one will give you plenty to think about. Subscribe, share the episode with a fellow true crime listener, and leave a review. After you listen, do you think Marcello’s influence reached the White House?

Mark Shaw – Commonwealth Club Talk on Marcello & JFK⁠�
Author: Mark Shaw
Published: December 8, 2025
➤ Discusses FBI transcripts of Marcello allegedly admitting involvement in JFK’s assassination

Douglas Now – “The Man Who Very Likely Orchestrated…”⁠�
Author: Robert Preston
Published: May 22, 2018
➤ Explores Marcello’s power, influence, and alleged role in JFK’s assassination

U.S. National Archives – FBI File on Carlos Marcello (JFK Records)⁠�
Author: U.S. National Archives
Published: November 16, 2017 (declassified file)
➤ Primary government document referencing Marcello in FBI investigations

FBI Records: Carlos Marcello (The Vault)⁠�
Author: Federal Bureau of Investigation
Published: Declassified records (various dates)
➤ Direct FBI case files on Marcello, including surveillance and investigations
➤ This is primary source material — extremely strong for credibility

Transcript

Sweet Tea Rules And Cold Truths

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Today we're talking about the quiet New Orleans mafia boss who built a criminal empire on the bayou and made some very powerful enemies along the way. This is Hold My Sweet Tea. The podcast that makes you drink tea with us. Just kidding. You don't have to drink tea. You can drink what you want. And I'm Holly. I'm Pearl.

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And that's sounds like we're like torturing people. I know. Like we're somehow waterboarding them or something.

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I'm literally drinking like Powerade Zero right now. But with tea. With tea. We're gonna waterboard you with tea. They're like, can I get sweet tea, please? Like a waterboard.

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That one's not sweet enough.

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That's the torture on sweet tea.

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Right. When it's not sweet enough. Yeah. Or it's too sweet.

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Like you gotta find the yeah, you gotta find that middle ground. Because tea can be too sweet. Although some people around here think not. And I'm like, look, you just dumped a half a bag of tea or sugar in that tea, and it is way too sweet.

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You put half a bag of sugar in your eight-ounce glass of tea. Right. I'm like, all you're doing is drinking liquid sugar. Yes. But I guess I mean, I guess there are people who love it. My diabetes would not agree.

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Diabetes.

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I'll be the next person on the colour. I'll be like taking over those commercials.

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Right. And you know, like in the South, people know how to make sweet tea. You don't add sugar to your cold tea. You have to do it before. But when I lived up in Oregon for several years, I would go and to a restaurant and I'm like, oh, I want um sweet tea. And they just look at you like you're stupid. And they'll bring you unsweet tea in a glass with ice and sugar packets. I'm like, what is this supposed to do for me? Like, just so you know, it's not gonna melt. I'm gonna stir this like 20,000 times, and it's not going to be good. I'm just gonna be fit on the bottom. Using a straw, sucking sugar granules out with my tea.

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So if you live in the north, what you should probably do is order hot tea and a glass of ice. That's what I started doing.

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And then a glass of ice water, drink some of it out, and then I would order like hot tea, like black tea or whatever, and then put my sweetener in there, mix it up, make my tea right there. And I was like, ah, there we go. Yeah. Better. Now that we've talked about the tea, moving right along.

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Moving right along. That is a crime. Yeah. True crime. It is.

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It really is a true crime, and that is against the law of the South. So there you have it, folks. That's your episode today. Have a great one. No, I'm just giving it. And let us know how much sugar you put in your tea.

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That's right. How much is too much for you? Yes. You can send it to HoldMysweet Tea Podcast at gmail.com. Absolutely.

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Now that we got that out of the way, we can jump into the story.

Meet Carlos Marcello

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The actual episode. Right, the actual tea of the tea. But today we are we're going to New Orleans. And and look, you know what? We are in New Orleans.

SPEAKER_01 4:12

Live in Louisiana local.

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Right. We haven't had a good um New Orleans episode in a while. So I thought I'd bring us back home. There you go. I mean, we've bounced around all over the place. And for a while there, we were having a lot of very South Louisiana stories. So I thought I'd I thought I'd bring us back home. Tiggers bounce. Right. Tigers bouncing around.

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That's doing what tiggers do. That's right. Every time I hear the word bounce, that's what I think about. Tiggers bounce.

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Yep. So today we are going to talk about the quiet dawn of the bayou. Carlos Marcello. Now, if you live here, people know that name. They talk about it. Especially if you're an older person. They kind of lower their voice when they say it. They're like, oh yeah, the Marcellos. And they've always got some stories to tell about somebody's related to somebody or knew somebody who is in the Marcello family, because he still has, of course, lots of family that live in the area. And when you go into like the darker side of the city's history, his name will come up.

SPEAKER_01 5:42

Is there anything but the darker side? No, I'm just kidding. I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_00 5:47

There might be a light side. I don't know.

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I joke.

SPEAKER_00 5:51

I kid you. We like to live on the dark side. But, you know, if you're not from Louisiana, you you might not even recognize the name at all because it wasn't flashy like Al Capone. Every, you know, everybody who's heard of a mob boss has heard of Al Capone. He didn't do like big interviews or he didn't try to become famous. He didn't live a lavish lifestyle. There comes the Popo, apparently. If y'all hear sirens, it's it's just ambiance, that's all. Yeah, that was not some a sound effect that we chose to uh insert. Right. But for almost 40 years, if something illegal was happening across South Louisiana and parts of the Gulf South, there was a good chance it connected back to him. Gambling, drugs, political corruption, police corruption. And according to some investigators, something even bigger. Because Carlos Marcello is also one of the mob bosses whose name that keeps showing up every time they discuss the assassination of John F. Kennedy.

SPEAKER_01 7:23

Why are so many people's names being brought up with John F. Kennedy? I don't know. Man, this is like a big conspiracy stretched across the whole entire United States. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 7:38

But you'll see, like, when his comes up, then you're like, okay, well, maybe there is some truth to this theory, but we'll see. So let's let's talk a little bit about his early life.

Roots In A Tight Sicilian Community

SPEAKER_00 7:53

One thing that surprises people right away about Carlos Marcello is that he wasn't actually born in the United States. His real name was Caligero Minocore. He was born in 1910 to Sicilian immigrant parents who were at the time living in um Tunisia for work. But when Carlos was still a kid, the family moved over to New Orleans. Because at that time, in the 1900s, New Orleans had a very large Sicilian community. And it was one of the biggest ones in the United States, like largest community. So lots of Sicilians in the area.

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And apparently a lot of them moved to independence, Louisiana.

SPEAKER_00 8:42

Because fun fact, we were just at the Sicilian festival this weekend.

SPEAKER_01 8:47

Yes, we were. Eating lasagna.

SPEAKER_00 8:50

Yes.

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And Italian sausage.

SPEAKER_00 8:51

Oh my god, the Italian sausage was so good. It was so good. And we got a little sunburnt, but you know.

SPEAKER_01 8:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:00

Slight ear sunburn. But that's Italiano.

SPEAKER_01 9:05

The ear sunburn?

SPEAKER_00 9:06

The ear sunburn. They just turned dark. I don't know. I kind of turned dark. My sunburn just went brown.

SPEAKER_01 9:13

On my arms, that's what it did. On my ears, they're still red.

SPEAKER_00 9:16

They're still red. But you know, that community spread out from New Orleans. So they they all kind of just came into the port of New Orleans. So there was this large Sicilian community there. So it was like family to him. So he had people that he was either related to or same culture. But that community had already been through something like extremely traumatic. In the 18, in 1890, the New Orleans police chief David Hennessy was assassinated. Several Italian immigrants were arrested for the crime. Then an angry mob like stormed the jail and lynched 11 Italian men.

SPEAKER_01 10:04

Oh, wow.

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So it was one of the largest mass lynchings in American history that even pushed Sicilian communities to become extremely tight-knit and protective. In New Orleans, there's a lot. There's like you have the Irish Channel, you have that it's just a huge melting pot of cultures.

SPEAKER_01 10:27

And literally below sea level. So it does look like a pot.

SPEAKER_00 10:30

It does. It's like a big old stinky gumbo pot down here. And within those communities, organized crime networks started quietly developing. So Carlos grew up right in the middle of that environment.

Prison Lessons And Silent Control

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And by the time he was a teenager, he had already dropped out of school. He was already getting into trouble. He said, a life of crime for me. Right. A life of crime is the way for me. So Martello was arrested several times when he was young. One of his earliest arrests was for armed robbery when he was 18. He ended up spending several years in prison. And this is something you see over and over in organized crime history. The armed robbery happened at a store. They didn't even get hardly any money. Like maybe 30 bucks. That was it.

SPEAKER_01 11:34

Oh, geez. So he spent jail.

SPEAKER_00 11:36

But it was him and two other guys. But when it came down to it, he was like, I didn't even know them. Picked them up somewhere. Don't even know who where they are, who they are. He knew them, did not rat them out. He took the call for it and he took the time for it. This kind of was like, oh, well, maybe he can be trusted a little bit. So prison becomes networking. Marcello met other criminals, learned how the underworld worked. And when he got out, he was much smarter about how he operated because he was still doing like petty crime stuff, but he was, he gained some knowledge while we're going to be able to do it.

SPEAKER_01 12:18

He was learning and not the way they want you to learn.

SPEAKER_00 12:22

And one thing people did notice about him very early on, he was extremely quiet. Most mob bosses liked attention. He avoided it. He almost never spoke to the press. He rarely allowed photographs. And he ran his organization in a way that kept his name out of the headlines, which honestly made him even more dangerous.

SPEAKER_01 12:48

I was gonna say more dangerous, more powerful, because everybody wants to be a part of that because he's not gonna his loyalty is earning loyalty.

SPEAKER_00 12:59

People would report that if you were even in his in his office, in his area or whatever, and you started talking about something that he did not want to get out, he would make you get on the floor into the well of his desk. You're you're both crouched in there talking in low whispers because he didn't want anybody or anything to hear him. Just in case he was they were wiretapped or anything.

SPEAKER_01 13:30

Crazy.

SPEAKER_00 13:31

Yeah.

Churchill Farms And A Growing Empire

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So by the 1940s, um, the New Orleans Mafia was run by a man named Silvestro Carolla, also known as Silver Dollar Sam. Fun times. I want like the ting sound of silver dollar. But eventually the U.S. government deported Corolla back to Italy. And that opened a door for Carlos, and he slowly took control of the organization. And he like started expanding it dramatically. Like it wasn't just a tight-knit thing, like he started pushing out across the Gulf South. So he had, and he like, unlike mob families from New York that just controlled that city, like he was all in it. Louisiana, Mississippi, parts of Texas. His organization ran illegal gambling rings, slot machines. These were where the first slot machines came around the South. And it wasn't like, oh, I have the slot machine you could put in here. He was like, You're gonna put this slot machine in here, or we'll come in here and bust all your windows out. Mm-hmm. Which he kind of started when he was younger. They had a window cleaning business, and that was his hook. We clean your windows, or you don't have any windows. So he was he was smart and he like he ran things like a boss. He did loan sharking, drug trafficking, labor rackets, political bribery. And investigators later said something remarkable. For years, Marcello may have been the most powerful mob boss in the United States. But again, he was barely known outside of Louisiana.

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Crazy stuff.

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He ran his organization from a place in Mettery just outside of New Orleans. It was called Churchill Farms. On the surface, it looked like a simple Italian restaurant. But according to the FBI, it functioned as headquarters for the New Orleans mafia. So politicians would show up for lunch, police officials, business leaders, you know, let's go eat at, you know, Churchill Farms and whatever. But they weren't. Sure, you were eating. But he would he would sit at a table and quietly conduct his meetings. Um, the FBI did bug the place multiple times, but he was very extremely careful and he rarely spoke directly about crimes. And if somebody started asking questions, that was it. We're done here.

SPEAKER_01 16:20

End of this conversation. Get out.

SPEAKER_00 16:23

He would use metaphors, he would use coded language, which like becomes super important here later.

SPEAKER_01 16:31

So then do you serve ice cream here?

SPEAKER_00 16:34

Right. And exactly. No, we serve gelato.

SPEAKER_01 16:42

I see, I see. I see. I see. I see gelato.

SPEAKER_00 16:47

Maybe that's where snow cones came from. Like snowballs.

SPEAKER_01 16:50

Right.

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So this is about the time where everything started to change.

RFK Targets Marcello And Exiles Him

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So in 1961, John F. Kennedy became president. And his brother, Robert F. Kennedy, became attorney general. And Robert Kennedy hated organized crime. He was on a mission to crack down on the mafia in the United States. Like he was like, I'm going after these mob bosses. We're getting them out of here. They're running things and we don't like that. Marcello quickly became one of his top targets. But prosecutors, not prosecutors, prosecutors, couldn't make a criminal case stick against him. So Robert Kennedy decided to try something different. He looked into Marcello's immigration status. Marcello had lived in the United States his like pretty much his whole life because he was like a little kid when his family moved to New Orleans. But technically, they had never completed full citizenship paperwork. So Bobby Kennedy used immigration law to go after him, just like they did to old silver dollar Sam booted him out. So this is where the story gets almost unbelievable. In 1961, federal agents literally grabbed Marcello off of the street in New Orleans, arrested him without warning, like kidnapped him. Basically, put him on a plane and flew him to Guatemala, dumped him there in the Guatemalan jungle. And dipped. There was no hearing, no trial, nothing. Kind of sounds like what goes on these days. Wow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:57

Just plop, good luck.

SPEAKER_00 18:58

Yeah. So, you know, he wakes up, he's like, where the hell am I? Walked for days, dehydrated, bug bites, all this stuff, until he got to a place where he could get to a phone and call his wife. And like he even claimed that they beat him during the trip. Like they were, they had beat the crap out of him and everything. But, you know, he he eventually the government thought, okay, we solved this problem.

SPEAKER_01 19:29

We dropped this problem in the jungle, we dropped him in Guatemala.

SPEAKER_00 19:33

There ain't no way he's coming back here. But it wasn't long. Within a few months, back in the United States, he made it back. And according to FBI informants, he was absolutely furious with Bobby Kennedy. I guess so. I would be too. I'd say. One informant later said that Martello used a metaphor. He said, if you cut off a dog's tail, the dog will keep biting. But if you cut off the dog's head, the dog's head, the dog dies. So investigators later believed the tail reference to Robert Kennedy and the head reference to John F. Kennedy. So here's where the like the story gets even more strange.

CIA Mafia Overlap And JFK Questions

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So a few years before Kennedy was assassinated, the CIA had actually been working with the mafia. That sounds like conspiracy theory, but it's real and documented. Before Fidel Castro took power in 1959, Havana was full of like mafia-run casinos. They made Ohana. Yeah. Ohana. Havana. Like mob bosses like Santo Traficante Jr. and Sam Giacana were they were making millions of dollars. This was in 1959. Millions. When Castro came to power, he shut everything down. So the mob lost huge huge, huge amounts of money. At the same time, the US government wanted Castro removed because he was aligning with the Soviet Union when that was the whole like, you know, bomb scares and all that stuff, and kids were in the classroom ducking and covering and all of that. Because they were like, you know, if a nuclear bomb hits, duck and cover, put that book on your head. Right. That's gonna save you. So the CIA made a bizarre decision. They contacted Mafia figures and asked for help assassinating Castro. They even supplied poison pills that were supposed to be. Slipped into Castro's food. The attempts never, never succeeded. But the important thing is that the CIA and organized crime were suddenly operating in the same circles. And Carlos Marcello was connected to many of the same mob networks. When President Kennedy was assassinated in 1963, the official investigation concluded, of course, that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. But Oswald had spent time in New Orleans in Marcello's territory. Oswald had also interacted with Cuban political groups. Some of those groups had connections to people linked to organized crime. That overlap raised questions. Years later, the FBI secretly recorded Marcello during a prison conversation with an informant. During that conversation, he allegedly implied he had been involved in Kennedy's assassination. Historians, however, still debate whether he was telling the truth or exaggerating.

SPEAKER_01 23:08

Right.

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Was he trying to just But he wasn't an exaggerating kind of guy. He was always like kept things on the down low and quiet.

SPEAKER_01 23:16

So why take credit for something you didn't do?

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But, you know, those recordings reignited suspicions. And then another strange connection involves Jack Ruby. So Ruby was the one who like killed Lee Harvey Oswald when they were bringing him through in cuffs and stuff after they had arrested him. Ruby had connections to organized crime figures as well. And investigators later discovered that some of Ruby's criminal contacts overlapped with mob networks tied to Marcello.

SPEAKER_01 23:55

Well, also, remember my fridge murder people, they said the son may have worked for the CIA. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:07

So And that's why he got drugged through that. There's that little circle right there, and you're like, okay. I mean, it doesn't prove anything, but it adds another layer of mystery. Like it gets you thinking, okay, so if he had this guy take Kennedy out, he didn't want him to talk, so he had somebody take Lee Harvey Oswald out, because that's an extra layer of protection for for them. But you know, who knows? Still all theories and speculation, but it it really, you know, seems a little coincidental.

SPEAKER_01 24:42

It's all circumstantial, Holly. That's right.

RICO Conviction And Lasting Influence

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But, you know, for decades Marcello avoided prison, cases collapsed, witnesses disappeared, Bobby Kennedy was no longer after him because he was no longer attorney general. Witnesses disappeared, evidence fell apart. But in 1981, federal prosecutors finally convicted Marcello under Rico laws. He was sentenced to prison for racketeering. After nearly 40 years as a boss, his empire finally started to crumble. So when I told you he would hide under the desk and talk shop and stuff. So they actually had a decoy that had worked for them for years. Like they got him to go in and get him to say something.

SPEAKER_01 25:39

It's like a Donny Brasco type situation.

SPEAKER_00 25:41

And they bugged his office. They got in into his office and they bugged it, and that's where they picked it up. Even though he all those years never got caught or anything back to him because he was so quiet about everything that got him. So his empire, like after 40 years, started to crumble. Marcello died in 1993 at the age of 83. He never chased fame. He avoided the spotlight his entire life, but behind the scenes, he built one of the most powerful organized crime empires in America. And depending on who you believe, his influence may have reached much further than Louisiana, possibly all the way to the White House. And that's why his story is so fascinating because some of the most powerful people are the ones you barely hear about. And like I said, he is with the older people in the city and or the surrounding areas.

SPEAKER_01 27:05

There will be things that go on forever.

SPEAKER_00 27:08

Forever, like with the mafia and organized crime, of course, because they just move different. Louisiana, I think, is one of the most politically corrupt states in the United States. Absolutely. Everybody owes everybody a favor, and this person bought that person, this and that, and money changes hands and things. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:37

And there's so much of it, you know, so much of that good old boy stuff still happens here. It's like all about who you know.

SPEAKER_00 27:46

Yep. If you know the right people, you can get out of a lot of situations in this situation. Or get into. Or get into it, yeah, a lot of situations. So but that is the mob boss, the quiet dawn of the bayou.

SPEAKER_01 28:03

Bum bum bum.

SPEAKER_00 28:04

Right. Not the noisy dawn of the the bayou. I'm sure if he was like Al Capone, or if he was, you know, seeking the spotlight, he would have been caught. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:16

That would have been yeah, that would have been over a lot faster.

SPEAKER_00 28:21

But he had, you know, he had politicians and police and very influential people in his back pocket.

SPEAKER_01 28:28

He was probably in all of his pockets.

SPEAKER_00 28:30

All of his pockets, because he ran that was like a boss.

Share Your Marcello Stories

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But if you've ever heard of Carlos Marcello and want to chime in and tell us some stuff, or if you have family or you want to be. Tell us. We want to hear it.

SPEAKER_01 28:48

Look, we did that together. I know.

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Some juicy, juicy gossip. Some tea, if you will.

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Send it over to HoldMysweet Tea Podcast at gmail.com.

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Isn't that the same place that you can send your sweet tea after dark episodes to? Yes.

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Yes, it is. Oh my god.

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Say it again just in case.

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Hold my sweet tea podcast at gmail.com.

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Oh, I thought you said female.com. Okay. Got you, got you. Gmail. Just want to make sure everybody's aware.

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And now that we've done our crazy commercial at the end of it.

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Right. And, you know, of course, our our theme music, we can't forget about that.

SPEAKER_01 29:39

Yeah. She's a lady boss. She is a lady boss.

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I don't think she runs a mafia, but she she might.

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She's still a lady boss.

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Yep.

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She runs her household.

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That's right. Like a donette.

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Donette.

SPEAKER_00 29:57

That reminds me of those little mini donuts. Right.

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A donut.

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A don donuts. Those are fun. She's fun. She's fine. She's about the size of a mini donut. There you go.

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Right.

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We love you, Patty.

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A little mini donut. Yes.

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It's her new nickname.

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Patty Donnet Salzetta. There you go.

SPEAKER_00 30:22

And we'll know if you've listened to this episode, Patty, because you're going to be like, what the actual hell?

SPEAKER_01 30:27

Yeah. You guys need to quit it. Right. Or you'll, or I'll break your windows. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 30:34

I'll come break your ankle caps. Oh my gosh. I'm going to come clean your windows or I'll break them.

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Yeah, my face hurts.

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I know. But as always,

Theme Music And Final Sign Off

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home my sweet tea is a drunken bee production. And you guys remember to stay safe out there. And just because we're dipping doesn't mean you can't keep zipping.