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Ep 38 We Cannot Unite Until We Build Trust

• Abiah • Season 1 • Episode 38

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The heat is real, but the tension in the country feels even hotter. We start by chopping it up about working outside, staying hydrated, and how fast a normal day can turn dangerous when summer hits hard. Then we zoom out to the bigger question that has everybody on edge: why does it feel like people are being pushed to hate each other, and how do we actually move forward as neighbors instead of rivals?

We get into political agendas, corruption, systemic racism, and the uncomfortable history that sits underneath “when was America good” and “good for who.” From there, we talk solutions that start closer to home: group economics, community trust, and rebuilding solidarity inside our own circles before we expect unity across the whole country. We also break down how people find common ground in unexpected places, like sports crowds, and why conflict can unite faster than peace.

Culture takes a big spotlight too. We debate hip hop’s roots as a unifying force, why modern rap can feel like it keeps people angry and stuck, and how authenticity matters when artists age into a new era. We also hit parenting and resilience, including bullying, “gentle parenting,” and the reality that consequences exist whether we like them or not. We close on purpose and creativity: making music for the Most High, creating with substance, and accepting that success is not always fame.

If you’re tired of surface-level takes and want a real conversation that challenges your perspective, tap in. Subscribe, share this with a friend, and leave a review with the one idea you think could actually help people come together.

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Welcome Back And Texas Heat

SPEAKER_04

What's going on, y'all? What's going on? Oh, praise to the most high. Let me get my logo up here real quick.

SPEAKER_06

Ah, y'all already know what this is. This is the Spit Your Truth Podcast with your boy Abia and my brother James. We in this mug chilling, talking our shit, man. You know how we do. You know what I'm saying? Like, all praise to the most high. What's going on, bro? How you doing today?

SPEAKER_02

Blessed. Better than I deserve. That's for sure.

SPEAKER_06

Hey, hey. Hey, you know what? At the end of the day, the most high is just good like that to us, boy. Oh my god. Yeah, he just could. My bad job. Let me have at least playing a little in the back. I don't know how to keep it this way at a at a minimum. Can you still hear it a little bit? Mm-mm. Okay, there it goes. And I could change it throughout throughout the buttons. What's up going on, everybody? Man, it's been a while since I did a podcast, man. Let me get let me get put me and him on a big screen for right now. Hold on.

SPEAKER_02

Big screen.

SPEAKER_06

What's going on, family? How everybody doing, man? Uh it's been a long, long, long time since I did a podcast. And I mean, I don't know, man. I've just been focusing on the music. I've been focusing on a lot of little different things, trying to trying to get my mind right. You know what I'm saying? But I'm back, I'm here. I'll praise to the most high. Yeah, we just sitting here chilling, man. Like, you know what I'm saying? So what's going on, bro? How you said you're blessed by blessed by the best. I get that, man. Like, sometimes better than I deserve, bro. Right, right. So, so how how was your week, man? Like your truth podcast.

SPEAKER_02

Long, bro. Long, man. The heat in Texas is no joke. Oh, wow. It's no joke, bro. And plus, like what I do now is I'm an electrical apprentice. Yeah. And uh working outside, bro, is no joke. So hats off to the people who work outside. You know what I'm saying? Stay hydrated and and you know, may the most high have you in his favor, because it is not a joke when you're outside. That's for sure. Right, right, man.

SPEAKER_06

I bet, man. I work out stats a little bit, but like it's like overnight. I I unload the truck and it be hot, man. I be like sweating wet, like saying, like, not like real wet, but you know, like good workout wet. Like, you know what I'm saying? So yeah, I know what you're talking about, man. Definitely. Yeah, man. Yeah, man. Yeah, so but other than that, like what's been the temperature down there, like in the high, high 90s, something like that, 80s?

SPEAKER_02

Because it's been like start off like in the morning. So this whole week I've been going to work like at 5 30. Yeah, we start in the morning, you know, at 5 30, already in the 80s. Damn. Yeah. By the time you know noon hits, it's like, bro, you tired of we already in the hundreds, and you know, we are getting cooked. I appreciate all this at the most high do, bro. But uh there's some things that uh hey, just come on, just you know, give me a little bit cooler. Don't throw me a cold front. I hit in this hundred, you know, hundred-degree weather. You know, last week we were working on top of a canopy, and uh it was like 113 on top of the canopy, bro. Hot, bro. Hot. I just need it. I put a cold front, bro. Hey, dude. It was terrible.

SPEAKER_06

Hey, I ain't laughing at the like the old the circumstance just like I know that's coming here. Like, we usually get hot weather like around July from like July, like the end of June to like early August. It used to be the whole summer, but for some odd reason, like we on when our summers like it's only like 70 degrees here right now, like 70, 80 degrees. Yeah, like you know what I'm saying? That's crazy, like that's beautiful weather, though.

SPEAKER_02

I would take that over anything, bro. You know what though? But like for uh there's certain people who who like to work in the in the summer. I prefer to work in the winter. Right. Me, me personally, I prefer to work in the winter just because you can throw multiple layers and then you're gonna end up taking them off. You know what I'm saying? But in the summer, there's just no, you know, it's not for the weak hearted when you work outside. So so I say, you know, hats off to the ones that work outside especially in those temperatures.

SPEAKER_06

Man, hey, it it has been very hot here lately. Kind of unbearable for real for a lot of people across the across the nation. You know what I'm saying? Like you said, to stay hydrated. You know, if it's too hot, stay in the house. Like, just stay in the house. Like, especially if you ain't gotta work or if you ain't working. If you ain't working and you outside and and and well, maybe you hustling trying to get it, trying to get it in. So I get it, but stay hydrated. Just stay hydrated because it's real out here, man. Like, definitely real. Like it can, it can, it can turn deadly in a matter of moments, you know what I'm saying? Like, real quick.

SPEAKER_02

So, but yeah, man. My kids, bro, my kids they went outside the other day, bro. They were outside for 15 minutes. Came back, came back inside and said, Dad, it's hot. I said, I know. I said, I know. It's like 70 degrees outside. What you mean it's hot? Like, there ain't no way you're gonna come to me who've been outside eight, 10 hours a day and saying, Hey dad, it's hot when you've been outside 15.

SPEAKER_06

And it's 70 degrees, yeah, bro. Yeah, 70 degrees feel good up here, man. Like, I got on sweatpants, like, but usually I could wear like some jeans shorts or something like that. Like, but just got on a pair of nice sweatpants and a t-shirt. Like, it's cool, like, you know what I'm saying? No, bro. That's crazy though, bro. Hey, man.

Why Everyone Feels Divided

SPEAKER_06

So I I've been I've been looking at I've been looking at how things been going. Cause you know, I'm like, I'm like a political, controversial type of guy. You know what I'm saying? Not always political, but like I I look at I look at what's going on in the world and in our country and shit, you know what I'm saying? And just a shift and and it seems like frustration and anger, like I think that I think that everybody is like pointing a finger at everybody, and it's like how can how can we move forward? You know what I'm saying? Like, how can we move forward if we even if we don't move forward as a collective nation of like people of like United States, like, but how can we move forward as our collective people, like you being, you know, Latino, Mexican, me being black American, white, a white man, an African man, how can we move forward, you think? You know what I'm saying? How do you think that we can move forward and and and and get past certain constructs and and and make it better for our people and our country?

SPEAKER_02

I think we gotta we gotta come to the realization, bro, that the political agenda, you know, that that's on TV is not what it is, bro. Because they want us to believe certain things. Of course, there's certain things going on in the world, but the political agenda that the government has got has got so many of us misconstrued, like at all. Like everybody. It's got everybody throwing hate towards each other when it's not even, bro, I did nothing to you. You get what I'm saying? And it's not it's not only the political, but then they draw religion to it. So then there's another another whole can of worms that they opening up, and now you got everybody fighting because they want to put their two cents in when the government at the end of the day is saying, ha ha, look, look, look at you, look at you, dumbasses, for doing this. Right. Y'all the ones who believe in it.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, these governments are messed up, man, across the world, not just in the United States or Africa or Mexico or it's it's across the world. Governments and corruption is a prevalent thing. And, you know, we have to we have to learn how to fight against it. You know, as a as a country, as a country of people, as a nation of people, we have to learn how to fight against that, man. Because systemic racism and oppression, it's everywhere. And I mean, unfortunately, it's the the the the root the root people that that do it, fortunately or unfortunately are the Europeans. Like I'm saying, we we have to be we have to be real. When it comes to, and no slight to all my you know, all the other all my white brothers and sisters that are cool. I'm talking about the ones that that that that that sit and lie in white supremacy. You know what I'm saying? They those are the ones that that that need to be rooted out, and you know, and and we let so we can know that they, because they ain't really did nothing as far as well they have done stuff, but immediately, you know what I'm saying? They haven't done anything that, you know, would want us to, you know, take them out or anything like that. But just identifying, okay, they we know who y'all are, we gonna stay clear of y'all, y'all go over there, do y'all thing, get out of our politics, get out of our government, get out of our our foreign trades, our foreign relations, all that stuff. And we we just build, we build America like it's supposed to be without without right without white supremacy.

When Was America Ever Good

SPEAKER_02

When do you think that was? Let's start with that. When do you think America was that good? Shit. You know what I'm saying? Because that that would be the real question. Figuring out when the timeline was good and figuring out how to get back to that timeline. I was thinking some point where it was good, it may not have been good for all of them, uh-huh. Right back in that time. And when I say all of them, I mean the people back in that time, all races included. I'm not I'm not, you know, I'm not specifying races, I'm saying everybody back then.

SPEAKER_06

Well, indigenous of the land of America, the Mexico, Central America, and South America. Yeah, I get what you're saying.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I'm just just in general, I'm saying as America, when was it good?

SPEAKER_06

Before colonization, I would say. I didn't live back then. We don't have a lot of records to say that you know the the form of life or the way of life, but it just seems like you know, before colonization, everybody, because when they came over here, they didn't come to people that was like living in huts and mud huts, and they came to towns and cities and shit like that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like when the Tajinos, your ancestors, when they was down in Mexico, they didn't go to TPs and huts and shit. No, they came to towns and cities that were already had infrastructure that were built up and people were thriving and living. It was it was because the colonizer came seeing something that he could take advantage of because we are a loving people, as you can, as you know, you know what I'm saying? We are the indigenous of America, we are very in of the Americas. Let me say that. The indigenous of America are very loving people. That's why they say that Western mindset, that comes from us. You know what I'm saying? That comes from us. And we like the Western mindset that they that they that they think is, you know, because it's you know, colonization, post-colonization, but pre-colonization, we were getting along. We might have had wars and stuff like that, but what people don't. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02

Like, but then so then the question of you would be when after colonization, when we have records, would you say that it was good? Because there has to have been a time where it had been good, bro. We can't just say it's all been bad. Yeah, but I don't I mean when I was a kid, it wasn't bad. You didn't see race, you know what I'm saying? You knew that was the dude who lived right next to you. You knew his his his mama was black, you knew this dude over here, and I'm talking about in the projects, you knew this guy over here, he was white, but we didn't care about that shit. It was these are my friends, these are my neighbors, we all get along.

unknown

Right.

SPEAKER_02

So there had to have been a time when it wasn't when it was good for who.

SPEAKER_06

That's the thing. Good for who.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, I don't so I mean, I don't know. You know what I'm saying? Like that's that's that's what it was it was good for me as a pick.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, I mean it was good for it was good for me as a pick, bro. So I'm I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say this. When I was younger, and this is no sight to nobody. I'm just gonna be real. When I was younger, it it wasn't as many Africans, Mexicans, Latinos, it wasn't as many. I I didn't go to school with y'all. I'm just gonna be real. Like it was us and black and white folks. When I went to school in the 90s, and you know what I'm saying? And it was only like to the late 90s, like I would say like I would say like 97, 98. That's when I started to see, we started to see an influx of, and they they it was what it was called then was what was it called? The student, the the student that comes from and studies abroad and Trent, like and they and and we sent one over there, they sent one over here, we send one over there, that's what it was. Foreign exchange. You know what I'm saying? That's what it was at first, and it was a good thing because like people were coming over here, we would like learning different cultures, and it was like a beautiful thing. Like, and uh, and I can say that, you know, like like foreigners have contributed a decent amount. Uh they have contributed uh a decent amount, I say, to American culture. You know what I'm saying? Like, because it is a melting pot, but I we just gotta be real. When y'all think when we think about America and American culture, y'all already know who y'all think about. It's like it ain't it ain't the white man. Like, we just gonna be real. It's just not the white man. You know what I'm saying? When you think about American culture, you're like, oh, the American blacks, like hip hop, this, the food, that, this and that, like hamburgers, hot dogs, that that's American black culture for real. You know what I'm saying? But I can say that when I was younger, it I racism still was there. Like, like I've always endured racism all my life. And now it's it's not just the white man, you know what I'm saying? It's also the white woman and certain pockets of immigrants that follow that right supremacist, you know what I'm saying, ideology, you know what I'm saying? But I can't say that all immigrants are like that. I can't say that. Because I have met some good ones that that really rock with us, that practice group economics, you know what I'm saying, that that marry with marry intermarry within us, and you know what I'm saying? And when I say, when I say, when I say immigrants, I'm not talking about the indigenous of the Americas and Mexico. I'm not talking, y'all, we are we're not foreigners, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm talking about people that come to our our continent, our continents that that were that didn't originate here. You know what I'm saying? And they, you know, I I can't say that I can't say that America has like the USA, let me say that. I can't say that USA has been good post colonization. It just I I just can't see it, especially now. Like I just can't see it. Like we have black, brown, we have dealt with the red and the and red and the white man for, you know what I'm saying, like real shit. When I say the red and the white, we I'm talking about them natives, because they always sided with with white supremacy, but against us, you know what I'm saying? And and they they was never from here, like, you know what I'm saying? But I have I have I haven't seen a time that it was good for my people. Like that that that we had a leg up, that we that, you know what I'm saying? I I think that it's better now than what it was before because we we're we're we're we're more unified. We have, you know, we we every every nation of people has their co-tell coom motherfuckers, right? You know what I'm saying? But we I think that we are starting to come back to solidarity and starting to uh unite. And then when we do that within each other, within ourselves, then we can start to, you know, focus on bridging the gap with other nations. But we have to fix ourselves. And and that's one thing that I feel like that uh that everybody in America that that's in the UI and states, when we saying that we we not go do this, we go, we go do this, we go stick together, it's like oh, they racists, they this, they that, and it's like, why? Like everybody else practice group group economics, everybody else practice group economics in the United States, and it's and it's a beautiful thing. It's a beautiful thing, but as long as we don't do it, it's like you know what I'm saying? As long as we own what the stereotypical, what's what the white man has, what the white supremacy, I'm gonna just say that because it's the difference between the two. What white supremacy has put out there against us and put the stereotypes, as long as we don't sway from that, then it's a problem. Once we start to elevate our minds, it's starting to be different. And then we can like, okay, my Mexican brother, my Latino brother, my Caribbean brother, you know what I'm saying? But we can't say that now, and we can't be like that all the way until we fix what's going on with the within our communities. You know what I'm saying? Everybody else has the right to do that. Everybody else has the right to do that, but it just seems like when we do it, it's an issue. That's why I say what who was when was it what was it great?

Group Economics And Fixing Our Communities

SPEAKER_06

Like, because it's been certain times, like I ain't gonna lie, like the last 10 years, America's been great for immigrants. You know what I'm saying? It's been great for them, bro. Like, we've been going through it, you know what I'm saying? We black and brown been going through it, bro. Like, so it's like I don't know.

SPEAKER_02

Like, I'm just trying to figure out. So then how how do how are we able to get, and and this is this is what on top politics shop with with anybody outside of, I guess this podcast, right? I just I just don't I mean there's too much to try to keep up with. It's very hard to if you don't got a if you don't got a pinky toe in, you you lost from the outside in, you just completely lost. So I I try not to keep up with it because I'm all the way lost. I don't have Facebook, I don't have TikTok, I don't have uh Instagram, I don't have none of that. So it's hard for me to stay up to date with everything that's going on, especially when the hit when history or when they when history gets brought up, yeah, then it's I'm all the way cooked. But how do you think that would be possible if Our own people, right? I'm I'm talking about Hispanics with Hispanics and blacks with blacks, right? How would that be possible to fix it if we stay focused on the white man? Well, the thing about it is that's it and and I'll say this. And the reason why I I I phrase it like that is because some, not all, not all, there's some people more than others who focus solely on how the white man keeps them down, blacks and browns included, right? And instead of saying, okay, hold on, this is what's wrong with our community, with our own community, let me go ahead and focus on fixing it. Right. We want to focus on the white man, it's not fair because he keeps me down.

unknown

Right.

SPEAKER_02

Instead of focusing on, okay, I don't have much room to build, but the most high gave me some room to build. So instead of focusing on what the next man is doing, let me go ahead and build.

SPEAKER_06

And I and I think that's what that's what a lot of us have been doing. Like, because honestly, white supremacy is like bullshit for real. Like, it's bullshit. We can we can we can overcome that shit, ASAP. Like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, but the thing of it is that we have to, like you said, we have to work and build within our communities and and strengthen our communities and the trust and the trust and the belief in in each other. Because if I don't if I can't believe that you go have my back when it's time to get down, then it's gonna be I'm gonna be sad eyeing you every time I see you. You know what I'm saying? I'm not gonna be able to deal the deal business with you because I can't, I don't believe you. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like the most high told you not to trust nobody. You only trust him. So I trust the most high. I believe my brother. Because I believe you by your actions, by your words, and all that. So if you are moving in that that type of way, then yeah, you know what I'm saying? But I feel you, bro. We definitely have like, and a lot of us have, like, because it's like we only did, we only we only think about the white supremacy when they when they be bringing up they when they be trying to try to they little race baiting and shit. Like, because that's what they've been doing here lately. And it's been it's been some some real, they've been well, white supremacists, they some funny motherfuckers, man. I'm gonna tell you, y'all some funny motherfuckers, man. Like, after the after the the whole what's his name? What's his name? Carmelo Anthony thing, they had the father come out and say all that stuff online, right? But one thing that I noticed that he said, he was like, man, and y'all like we're the Indians, and y'all didn't that's been our that's been one of our number one claim here lately that we are the indigenous to the people. And why would he say that if that didn't have nothing to do with what Carmelo Anthony was doing to race baiting? They was trying to race bait it us. And I'm like, they crazy, man. Like they, well, but we don't even think about it. We've been thinking about, you know, because Juneteenth was yesterday. Shout out to everybody, Juneteenth, my brothers, all praise. Like, like the most high allowed us to enjoy, and and we definitely, you know, came together in in multiple cities, you know, and even in the the point of origin, Texas. You know what I'm saying? So we we definitely, we definitely have been been been focusing on us. We definitely been focusing on us. We definitely been focusing on building our communities back, being stronger, and having that communal, because I could remember when I was younger, and any any uh zillenial can can can attest to this. Like when we was younger, like, and you was out in the street messing up and doing stuff, and and your next door neighbor saw you, or somebody that was cool with your mama, the daddy seen you, you got that ass whooped, like out front, like off top. It was on site. You fucking up outside because you represent your mama and your daddy. So that ass was whooped. You know what I'm saying? And then they took you home to where either your mama or your daddy whooped your ass because not only was you misrepresenting them, but you could you you had you had the the the elder or the person that had to whoop your ass initially whoop your ass. You know what I'm saying? We used to get beat at school and everything. Used to get whoopers in school, and that shit braised it's it was a lot of trauma, but it raised a strong generation of people that that that that now it's like I'm looking at shit like man, people be like, I don't understand internet bullying for real. I I know it's it's a big thing, and I know it happens, but me personally, bro, I don't because I grew up in an area where it wasn't like I got I had to fight my bully. My bully was in my face, you know what I'm saying? Like I didn't have I didn't have to get on the computer and get bullied by a motherfucker, like you know what I'm saying? Like I had the the bully bullied me and I got tired of shit and I whooped his ass. But I get it now, times are changed. Times are changed, but I I definitely think that uh that a lot of us have been like thinking about ourselves. I seen, I seen a lot of a lot of the Latin and the Hispanic community, even though that's not like an ethnic marker or a people, but we just go say that for the sake of the argument. I see a lot of them like you know what I'm saying, starting to come together and and and and be more communal, and you know what I'm saying, dropping certain, squashing certain beefs, and you know what I'm saying? Like I see it all the time, so I'm like, well, we we all need to do that too. You know what I'm saying? And it I think that it'd be a beautiful thing if we did, you know what I'm saying? Like, I think it did, so but yeah, you're right, bro. Do you do do you think it could be done?

Sports Fandom As Shared Identity

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah, I think so, right? Because as of lately, me and my wife, we we we were getting into uh into basketball, right? I'm I'm not a huge basketball fan. I I don't really, I don't got a team, I don't I don't really understand it, right? But when I look on TV while we're watching the game, when it's the Spurs versus the Knicks, right? You're able to see every shade of color of person in that stand, cheering for the team right there, yeah. And then you got the Spurs fans going outside and getting their ass whooped by every shade of color by the New Yorkers. You know what I'm saying? So it's like New Yorkers don't fucking play. If if it can get down to where you defending your team, right, and beating the shit out of the next man because he's part of the other team, yeah, why can't you do that in life in general?

SPEAKER_05

Because we can't find that common ground, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02

Like, why can't we use our basketball teams as common ground to say, hey, look, bro, I got no hate towards you. I just know you like the Knicks, I like the Knicks. Let's be on our way. Like, we ain't gotta do all this bullshit. There was police, there was police officers that were in that crowd. You know what I'm saying? There were there was criminals who were in that crowd, there were thugs that were in that crowd, there was YNs that were in that crowd, there was every shade of person in that crowd, bro. Yeah, bang. And they all came together. It did not matter who you were, your financial status. Of course, you got the the the different sections and shit like that, but at the end of the day, everybody was there all for one purpose. Why can't we take that same mentality of we here for this for the one purpose and let's kumbaya for the sake of the one purpose?

SPEAKER_06

You want to know why, bro?

SPEAKER_02

Everything else, but we can't do it for we we we can't, you know what I'm saying? Like, I just I thought about that. I thought about that. It had me thinking I'm gonna tell you

Why Violence Brings People Together

SPEAKER_02

why.

SPEAKER_06

I'm gonna tell you why. And I I'm 44 years old, bro. Like, I done seen a lot of shit in my 44 years of life, right? But one thing I do see is that, and I do understand and know that violence unifies people. Violence. When it's time to get violent and get booked, people be like, man, you could be fighting, you could have just fought this motherfucker yesterday. But when we got a common enemy and we gotta get booked, yeah, man, we I ain't even thinking about that, bro. Like if we squatch that beat, we get back to that shit tomorrow. Let's fuck these motherfuckers up. And that's and it's a sad thing that we can't come together in peace, but I can't say that because in the 60s and the 70s with the with the Black Panthers, the Black Panthers were, you know, at first it was a black, a black, American black thing first. For the first, like, I would say like the first 10, 15 years of it. And then after that, they started incorporating brown, and then they even had the white panthers. You know what I'm saying? Like, so it's always, we've always tried to be in the fray with, you know what I'm saying, the people that that's that was, you know, a part of this land. You know what I'm saying? We've always like been been like, okay, let's, we got the common enemy. Even though, even the white man, because when I say the white man, I mean the people that that are cool, that ain't been passed down that that that baby boomer racism and the Gen X racism, because Gen Xers are still racist and suit. Some some some Gen Xers are racist, but I know I know my uh I know my aunt, she like race, like, but it is what it is. You know what I'm saying? But I remember like with the well, I wasn't born there, but I could remember to see in the stories, documentaries of you know, Fred Hammond, Hampton, and uh, and uh Hugh P. Newton and all the other brothers, Black and Panthers, they had organizations. That's where that rainbow correlation came from. Fred Ham. You know what I'm saying? And it was a bunch of people, a bunch of different nationalities. It was it was black, brown, and white. And they fought together against systemic oppression and racism, and it was a beautiful thing. It was a beautiful thing, and that's when they started like after after that, because you know, like in 1950, like 19, I think it was like 1950, that's when they had the immigration act, and they started like because we fought to let the get people, the white man ain't want y'all, ain't white people over here. We like, nah, we want, we nah, we want everybody over this motherfucker, like you know what I'm saying? We wanted everybody to come because that's how we are. We just come in, come and eat good with us, like come and help us, come and help us build. We done built the foundation. Yeah, it ain't like we come, we asked y'all to come and build a foundation or infrastructure, it's already here. We done did that. Just come in, come and help us build the house now. You know what I'm saying? And it was a beautiful thing, man. We we we but I think now that and I just I just gotta keep on taking it back to white supremacy,

How Modern Rap Keeps Us Down

SPEAKER_06

man. They they seen how powerful we was together, man. And when we got together, like they they put certain things in in the in the in the fray, like crack. Like, you know what I'm saying, certain certain construct controlled substance, substance, and and not just cocaine, but you know, alcohol. Just the rap music, you know what I'm saying? Like for real rap music is like a real detriment to the black and brown. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02

And it's a bad I think I want to stay on that point, but I think rap music now. Yeah, I think the rap music now is doing the most detriment to the gener the generation. Because I was a fan of hip-hop when it was hip-hop, you know what I'm saying? And hip-hop united everyone. It didn't matter if you were black, brown, white, it didn't matter. Asian, you know what I'm saying? When hip-hop was hip-hop at its core, it did not matter. That brought people together. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? You didn't get that, you didn't get that. Hey, you white, you can't listen to that. You didn't get that, hey, you you know, you're not from here, you can't listen to that. Yep, bro. If if if NWA started playing, bro, you were bobbing your head. If you heard you were, you were, you know, you were sitting along with it was all the things, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, it was so relatable, but I think the hip hop, that the rap now, I'm not gonna call it hip-hop, right? Because we we want to stay hip-hop as its true essence. But rap now, right? This garbage that they call rap now, I think it's so detriment to it's detrimental to everybody now.

SPEAKER_05

You're right, you're right. And I think what go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. Now you got it, bro. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_02

Like, why I gotta hear what shade of pink your hoo-high is? Like, I why why why you you know what I'm saying? Like, why why why you gotta why you gotta be out here proud in the streets and you got bucked by 50 dudes? You know what I'm saying? Cause you a bad bitch, you know what I'm saying? Like, why why you gotta why why do the Yans gotta be out here, you know, acting tough 24-7 and every song they listen to is about doing drugs and carrying guns, murdering people. It's like, who is that good for?

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SPEAKER_02

If we in the same car and we're listening to the same music, eventually something outside of the spectrum of music is gonna piss us off and we're gonna start arguing. Yep. For no reason, bro. Yep, yeah. It's just sonically, that's how it's built now. Sonically, because it goes back. Kanye West Kanye West said it said it best. 808s and heartbreaks was sonically made to make you feel sad. All this, all this shit now that they're making, they're doing the same thing is to keep people on low vibrations so they don't know which way to look. But the ones who don't listen to it, right? The ones who don't pay attention to it as deep, we know which way to look. You know what I'm saying? Because we we we the unks of the you know saying of the generation. We the unks because they're like, bro, that shit is ass. Like, what you talking about? You don't you you know who this is, you know that's punk on the radio, you know that's easy on the radio, you know that's ice q you know that's the chronicle on on the radio, right? You know that's Andre 3000, Outcast, that's early Wayne, you know what I'm saying? Like, but instead they want to listen to the music that we was listening to, and they say that shit is ass. Because it's just sonically, it was meant to uplift. It was meant to uplift. This shit now is just meant to keep you down, right? You know what I'm saying? I bro, I cannot, I cannot stand like Lil Durk and King Von. Like that kind of music, I sonically, I just can't, I can't I can't listen to it. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Juice World, bro. I can't stand that shit. Like it's just it it there's something about it that just doesn't sound good.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, it it just ain't good music. They ain't talking about nothing, and the beat just yeah, it's tuned to a different tune, man. I can't, yeah, I can't listen to that stuff either, man. For real. Like, and I get you, man. Like, hip-hop was different, rap was different back in our day. You know what I'm saying? Because it it was, it may have been gangster rap and they may have been talking about this and that, but they was talking about what was going on in their communities. They was talking about what what the real shit that was happening in their communities just bring into the tracks. That's all NWA was, like, you know what I'm saying? And a lot of gangster rappers. But now they like, these niggas ain't gangsters, they I don't know what they is, man. Like a lot of them homosexuals, for real. Like, I'm gonna just say a lot of y'all homosexuals, like for real. Like, you know what I'm saying, and y'all know y'all is y'all just ashamed of it because y'all wear them tight ass clothes, and then y'all be all on the video, tight ass pants on, and your underwear down and your shirt off. Like, I don't want to see that.

SPEAKER_02

I don't like I don't want to see it. You got you got you got 25 white hands, bro, in the same room shooting a music video. Everybody got guns with no shirts and sweat.

SPEAKER_04

No shirt, bro.

SPEAKER_02

Look at looking like it come from looking like it come from a dick party, bro.

SPEAKER_06

And then he got right. Then they got that one guy in the back in the corner with the hoodie and the pool shisty on. Like, man, get just stop. Why why do y'all why do y'all just go to school? A lot of y'all smart, a lot of y'all nerds for real, man. Like, and it's nothing wrong with being a nerd. A lot of y'all nerves, a lot of y'all some intelligent men and little look young men and young women. A lot of y'all are. Y'all just it's just not cool nowadays to be smart. You know what I'm saying? It's cool to be an idiot. I mean, you know, and and and it sucks, man, because like my my our children gotta grow up in that. You know what I'm saying? Like, our children gotta grow up in that and see this. Like, when you look at when you look at guys like 6ix9ine, like how did he make money just yelling over tracks? He I listened to one of his songs, I just like man, this shit is trash.

SPEAKER_02

Like, I can't. You know what though, bro? You know what though? There was an interview he did, and he he himself said, bro, my music was ass. I did that shit for fun. Like it, it didn't make any sense what I was saying. He still felt for it. They still felt for it, and I made millions off of it. So he knew when he was laying the record that his shit was ass. He already knew it. But he just said, I'm gonna do it anyways, and let's see if it happens.

SPEAKER_06

And yeah, but you know what? I can say we have get we have been getting a revitalization of hip hop with the new Nas and what's his name? DJ Premier album. The the the clips came back out with they joined, you know what I'm saying? We got Juvenile dropping his stuff, like, you know, BG dropped another one, like we got the No Limit Soldiers on tour, and you know what I'm saying? We got we got people of our era really re-releasing music and like and using the internet to, you know what I'm saying, to I know everybody getting clicks and you know what I'm saying, stuff like that, but it's like it's it's it's adding an extra like nostalgic point to to hip hop now in the era, like, but like a lot of these guys.

SPEAKER_04

Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_06

I was gonna say that like that sounds like one of those nuclear fallout bomb points like man, get to the basement.

SPEAKER_02

No, but I see what you're saying, but the but the issue that lies with with older artists, right?

When Legends Chase Young Trends

SPEAKER_02

Like the people who we grew up on, right, is when they start trying to be young again, you know what I'm saying? Like trying to keep up with the with all the new artists that that are coming out of them, like Jim Jones. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, but here's my thing though, not everybody does it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, when you get styles p on the track, you don't hear anybody, you don't hear anybody's style other than styles p. When when you when you get a when you get a dataverse, yeah, you know what I'm saying? When you get a verse from Jada Kiss, you don't hear nobody else's style other than Jada Kiss.

SPEAKER_05

Right.

SPEAKER_02

You know what I'm saying? When you get a a Jay-Z verse, you know who it is. You're not saying, I think I heard one of the young cats do this flow. No, it's gonna be from it's gonna be Jay-Z.

SPEAKER_05

Right, right.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I think that's the issue. When you got Jim Jones trying to do what the young what the young cats are doing, it's just like bro, this is your chance to come back.

SPEAKER_07

Right.

SPEAKER_02

Don't I'm gonna be I'm gonna be your homie, and I'm I'm gonna be the real one in the room. Cut that shit out.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, like nigga, why do you got bedazzles pants and shirt on and you over 40?

SPEAKER_02

Like, I mean, that goes for everybody, too. Like, bro, Will Smith coming back and trying to do music, bro. Like, stay stay active. Don't don't do this. This is not you anymore, bro. Well, granted, it was cool when it was there. Yeah, it was a big it was a big hit.

SPEAKER_06

You know what I'm saying? I mean, it's it's it's not you. I mean, granted, man, like I can't say Will Smith got bars, Will Smith got bars. But he wants to. Yeah. But the thing of it is that he's not relevant anymore. And he been he's been acting too much for anybody to even take him seriously as a rapper. You know what I'm saying? Like, go go do i robot too or something, nigga. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02

I I disagree with that though, because I've heard songs that I can't think of the names off the top of my head, but I've I've heard songs that he's done with were like there's this one I can't think of the name, but it was with the Spanish artist, and he went in. You know what I'm saying? Like when he wants to go in, he could do it. But don't try to give me Will Smith, the battle rapper. Like, let's not let's not go on on a podcast. You know what I'm saying? Right.

SPEAKER_04

Don't do that.

SPEAKER_02

Let's not tell Chris Rock, if you want to see me on a stage, come see me on a stage. You know what I'm saying? Like, no, just stay in your seat, bro.

Will Smith Jada And Public Respect

SPEAKER_02

Like, don't ain't nobody stay on the on the stage of acting. Don't do anything else.

SPEAKER_08

Right.

SPEAKER_02

And I think it made him look worse because he was defending his his wife's actions, her ex-wife's actions, when everybody knew she was wrong for doing it.

SPEAKER_06

See, this is this is when you say, this is when it's like sympathy at its finest, right? Yeah. And he Will Smith was such a big public actor, public face. He's a he's a he's a household name, just like Snoop. So he had to save his, he had to save his persona. Like he had to do something to save his persona, but it made him look weak because you smacking Chris Rock out of everybody. I would have smacked Tony Rock before I smacked Chris Rock. Like Tony Rock got more of a heart than him, even though he ain't funny as his brother, but I'd have slapped him before I slapped fucking Chris Rock. Like, what the hell, Chris, me slapping Chris Rock is gonna get me clowned. Like clown. So he had to do that. And then the the fact that his wife openly, openly came out and said, I had a I had a sexual woo-wootie-woo. August Arcina, this and this and that, whootie-woo, got on a red table, was talking about it. And like she was just doing too. That's when, see, that's when black women, some black women just be too fucking wrong and be doing too much, and they need they ass whooped. Jada Pickett needed her ass whooped for taking that man through what she took him through, whatever they was going through in their house publicly, privately. She did not have to bring that shit public and embarrass that man like that. She did exactly what she wanted to do, and I think that she actually was like, she was set, she was set to do it, to try to destroy Will Smith. Because Will Smith was a he's a big actor. He like almost Denzel. Like, you know what I'm saying? He was up there with no, oh, I'm about to tell you, he was almost up there with Denzel money, like getting per per uh per movie. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

He was up there, yeah. He was up there. But I mean, I mean, I I I would say that, but I don't see Denzel smacking the shit out of Chris Rock. Nah, hell no. Denzel ain't gonna do that. You don't see that foolery with with Denzel, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And like I think it was worse when he went on the red table or whatever show it was, and he was like, I get the reason why you did what you did, and babe, it's okay. I think that's what I think that's what fucked it up because then it you're looking at it and it's like, okay, so who's at fault at the end of the day? Are we gonna put all of all of Jada Pickett's all the information she gave? Are we gonna pin it on Will? Or are we gonna are we gonna say, hey Will, you a man, bro? You took that L. Stand the fuck up. You know what I'm saying? Like be a man. Because when we go through hardship, it's people who don't have public platforms. We have to pick up our boots, we gotta strap up our bootstraps, pick up our head, and go back to work. You know what I'm saying? But it made him look so much worse when he said, Yes, Queen, I feel you. I I understand. You don't worry, honey. It it didn't matter if you were if you were screaming that man's name. I still love you.

SPEAKER_04

I still love you, you know. Even though you ain't gonna never scream my name.

SPEAKER_02

No, you don't say like that's that shit is that shit is dumb. It made him look so bad. Man for not just for not just for black men and men in general. Be because in the public eye, we said that what he did, let's say that was a good thing. In the public eye, what he did was exactly how a man is supposed to handle that situation.

SPEAKER_06

Man, it was some sisters loving the fact that he he agreed with that and he he forgave her. I'm like, see, look, that's foolishness.

SPEAKER_02

Why, why, how many women yo, how many women after seeing what he did went to their man and said, Babe, this is supposed to do how many women, a bunch, probably brown, white women, it didn't matter what color, how many women do you think tried that bullshit with their men?

SPEAKER_06

But no, the real question is how many men actually went for it? Like, yeah, you're right, you right, you're right.

SPEAKER_02

And then the the women are coming out, exposing the truth, and you know what? I've been seeing Tony on Thursdays while you're working the overnight shift, you know what I'm saying, on your bed because I just wasn't happy for the very longest. And now he's ready to kill her ass. Hey, babe, it's it's it's okay. I I get it, I understand. Will Smith did it. I'm gonna be your Will Smith to your Jada. I I got you.

SPEAKER_03

Right, I got you. This shit is crazy. It's making wear a condo.

SPEAKER_02

No, they were like, no, he he don't even have to do it. They gonna be cucks and they just gonna be sitting in the corner watching that shit. That wives went went to the dude and they said, Hey, can you install some cameras so I can see that shit when I get home from working on overnight shift to just see how it is so I can know? Right, that's the kind of conversation that they were having when he pulled that shit. Man, you you actually know somebody that went for that type stuff, bro?

SPEAKER_06

Fuck no. I'm about to say, like, man, no, bro, like we don't need to be friends no more.

SPEAKER_02

No, hell no, bro. That ain't the type of dude who I need to have in my quarter. At all. It's like, bro, if that's the kind of shit that you went for, bro. I I'm I'm completely weak to be friends. We can't be friends. Uh uh block, go ahead and block me. Don't ever call my phone. I ain't gonna see you at the Christmas party. Stay home.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, because you're gonna be bringing that sympathy around me, around my son. Nah, nah. We we not about to be no, no, we're not about to play those games. So, yeah, I feel you on that, bro. We ain't playing those games. Like, man.

SPEAKER_02

I think

Bullying Gentle Parenting And Weakness

SPEAKER_02

I think it's I think it's part of this whole I really think, bro, when they started allowing bullying, right? Like we can't be bullying kids no more and shit like that. I think that's when the real problem started, bro. Like when kids stopped getting bullied ever. Like why did you say that? Because I think, all right, let me our generation. Did you get bullied as a kid?

SPEAKER_07

Yeah, right?

SPEAKER_02

I got bullied as a kid too. It built character and it made us who we are today. And a certain time, at a certain point in our lives, it was like, all right, I'm tired of getting bullied. I'm gonna start throwing these hands. Just leave me the fuck alone.

SPEAKER_05

Right.

SPEAKER_02

Right? It was that one kid who was sitting in the corner who got tired of it and just fucking body slammed the the one white kid who was just picking on them constantly. It's it was that kind of moment in our lives. But I think now nobody can get bullied and it doesn't help anybody. It just makes it makes the younger generation weak. It's like, oh, you call you call me a name, you hurt my feelings. Now I gotta go, now I gotta go inflict self-harm because my insides feel yucky. Like that kind of bullshit.

SPEAKER_06

That ain't nothing.

SPEAKER_02

That kind of shit, that kind of shit that we grew up on was the real shit that that made us and and gave us what we have today, as far as hey man, I know you, I know you hurt, right? I know you you and your girl, y'all broke up yesterday. I know you're hurting, but bro, my bills still due next week. I still gotta get my ass back in the gym and take care of it. Like, I I can't just lay on my bed and cry a whole fucking 24 hours, 48 hours. You know what I'm saying? Like, I gotta, I gotta get back after it. But I think now this younger generation, they don't get none of that, and it's to the point where it's like any little thing sets them off. I saw this one video where this dude was complaining because he had to he had to work an eight-hour shift when he could only work a four-hour shift at Starbucks. And he was fucking devastated. They made him stay, they made him stay later and he fucking quit.

SPEAKER_06

Because he had to stay a four extra hours.

SPEAKER_02

He had he had to work a whole eight-hour shift. But when they told him that, because he's usually working four hours, he's part-timer. When they say, hey man, we need you to put in a fucking full-time, full-timer shift today because we need the help. He's like, nah, I can't do it. You hurt my feelings, I can't stand it. Boo-hoo, I quit. And I think that's the issue now. When any fucking thing doesn't go in the way that people expect, and it's not fucking all perfect, then that's when it's like, I can't deal with it. I'm gonna go cry in my room. I'll be back next week when I get my when I get my feelings together, when I can stand to look at you. Well, kind of like that, that's but I think the whole bullying thing, I think that's that's a big part of it, bro. There's a lot of people that I know that say my this whole not no bullying thing, it it kind of messes up. It messes up kids. Because it doesn't help them, it doesn't help them build a backbone.

SPEAKER_06

So it so basically it it it was a it was a part of it was a part of society that that really needed to help shake kids and shit. I I get what you're saying now, bro. Because yeah, we a lot tougher than these children. Like when I wasn't like, yeah, we a lot tougher than they are.

SPEAKER_02

Because it's like kids nowadays. So look, my wife turned me on to this this white peach rebel, right? And this is fucking delicious, right? But these kids nowadays, you say, Oh, you're drinking a pink drink, and what they do, they want to go damn near jump off a cliff because you made fun of the fact that they're drinking a damn pink drink. It's it's true though, it's true though. They're gonna shut down, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? But it's the truth, though. It's the truth, right? That dude, he's gonna say, he he gonna like. I had I have a co-worker, he's like, Man, you fruity over there drinking that fruity ass drink. And I tell him, Hey man, fuck you. I don't care. This shit tastes good to me. You didn't buy it for me. You ain't you ain't you giving me the money to buy this shit. You know what I'm saying? So fuck you and thought. Right, but that's the kind of that's the kind of mentality that it don't that the younger generation does not have anymore. Yeah. At all. Yeah. People want to do this whole gentle parenting bullshit. I don't know about you. I whoop my kids. I do it out of love. You know what I'm saying? It's not to the point where I'm where they like crawling on the floor like we was when we got our ass whooped. You know what I'm saying? But it's out of love. And it's to get them to understand like there's consequences to your actions. When you act a certain way and you misbehave, there's re there's repercussions for that. And it's not only here in this house, but it's out there in the world. You know what I'm saying? If you if you go out there and you you steal something and say, Oh, I I didn't know I was stealing something. When you s when you literally just took the shit out of the store, ripped off the tag, and put that bitch on, and then the cops come get you, then it's oh, it's the cops' fault. It's not my fault. Right. It's the cop this whole blame, the blame game is what they playing, bro.

SPEAKER_06

Man, you right. You right, man. Our children are weak. Well, some children, not all are we, because I yeah, because I I I I'm my son's bully. I'm his first and last bully. Like, I be I be beating him up, and I beat him up to the point where sometimes he cried. So he can get that anger, like, man, that frustration and how that incredible hulk, like madness and like ready to swing on somebody. Like, but I also tell him that, you know, he has to control and regulate his anger. My son's autistic, and he has to, like, he he's impulsive at times. But yeah, he he knows how to regulate his his anger and stuff like that. Like, but yeah, you have to you have to, you gotta really nowadays the children, man, that that gentle, that gentle parenting shit, that's I'm just gonna say, you gentle parents are weak parents, and y'all need your ass kicked because y'all fucking y'all children up.

SPEAKER_02

That's just it, bro. That's just it. But it's like you yell at a kid, oh don't yell at him. You're gonna hurt his feelings. I don't give a shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, that that's that's the whole thing. And who knows, maybe maybe that would help in a big step going back to the original, the original question. When was it good? Full circle, I see, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, that may be the thing. Yeah, some people just need their ass whooped and say, All right, you got your ass whooped. All right, man, go out to see you tomorrow. We're gonna try again tomorrow.

SPEAKER_06

Just that type of shit. Yeah. I ain't gonna lie, when we was younger and we used to have the hood fights, they used to bring us closer, like, man, after we fight, like whoever loses, whoever wins, like we might be mad at each other for a day or two, but then the next day, man, we be cool, like, man, it brings back, like you have more of a a friendship, a bond with that person. Like, we done fought, we done bled, like we done made each other bleed, type shit. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, so yeah, it was more more karate camaraderie. Children ain't even fighting these days, man. Like, the only time they fight is in bathrooms or on streets, and they usually be women and shit.

SPEAKER_02

Like, women, not only that, though, too, right?

Cheating Accountability And Male Ego

SPEAKER_02

Because it like if the if a woman is cheating on a dude, right, and she's the one who's doing wrong, why is it that the people who getting cheated on are the ones who fight at the end of it? Because you know what I'm saying, but uh and they mad at each other, they ain't even mad about the woman's actions, right? And this is not no feminist bullshit, but it's like they take that approach instead of being mad at the at the person who's causing the the harm and the oppression mentally, emotionally, and they want to throw it at each other.

SPEAKER_06

Because two men, two men ain't gonna beat up on a woman.

SPEAKER_02

No, well, I'm not saying beat up, I'm not saying beat up on a woman, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, but why not just why just why not why not just leave? Say, all right, cool, that's what you want to do. All right, I'm out. Yeah, instead of throwing hands like hey man, we're gonna box, and at the end of it, at the end of this celebrity death match, you know what I'm saying? The winner gonna stay with with old girl. It's like, no, bro, she did both of y'all dirty, yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Get out your feelings about her and hit, bro.

SPEAKER_06

Your both got the clap, like round of applause, motherfuckers. Like, move on, yeah. Y'all both like like the color purple you said, you had her your way, I had her my way, but we both had her. We both had her. Like, let's go move on. If that's how she's gonna play herself, then shit. Let's play her like that. Like, not to not to say that we that that that I don't like, and please, please, women, please. I I'm not saying I don't like y'all, and I love my mother before y'all start that bullshit. I love my mama. I'm not saying I don't like y'all, but sometimes y'all gotta be held accountability, count accountable all the time for when y'all do y'all shit. If y'all hold us accountable for shit, the same sentiment must have must happen. It has to happen, you know what I'm saying? But yeah, I feel you, man. Like, that's some crazy shit. Like every time that I I got cheated on, it was just like, like, damn, bro, like for real. All right, like oh, I ain't know about you, bro. This and this and that. Like, all right, if you ain't know about me, then that's that's one thing.

SPEAKER_02

But then then we gotta hold the the the men accountable too. Cause like, bro, if you ain't if you ain't doing what you're supposed to be doing, it's your fault. You the dumb, is it's your dumb ass fault, right? You know what I'm saying? You a weak man, she needed something better. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_06

You weren't playing. That's a hard pill to swallow, bro. That's a hard pill to swallow for some men. You know, we we we we so damn egotistical, especially in 2026. Man, we so egotistical. Like, it it's like, man, if she don't want me, why like why she what you saying I ain't this, I ain't doing this, man. I'm this like every every man out here think they him when you really ain't. You just heat him. You just you get you get you him for the moment, right? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, so just stop thinking that you the shit, uh, and some some men are the shit, some men are him. Like, I just gotta give it to him. Like, I'm not a hater, like you know what I'm saying, but a lot of us ain't like for real. A lot of us is just regular schmeggler dudes, and nothing wrong with that. Excuse me, y'all. It's nothing wrong with that. Like, you know what I'm saying? You can be a regular schmeggler Joe dude, just do that, like have fun doing it, live life, you know what I'm saying? But in the same sense, like, you know, don't like like I always tell people, man, I you know, TLC, they was one of my favorite groups back then. When they said, don't go chasing waterfalls, stick to the rivers and the lakes that you are used to. That shit went over people's head, bro. Yeah, that shit went up, that shit went over. Stop reaching for the stars when you ain't when you ain't the sun, my nigga. It's like just this, hey, just just stay in your everybody. Always say, man, date in your league. Don't date up, don't because women date up, men date down. You know what I'm saying? Most of the time. Like, so you know, we we have to understand that shit, everybody ain't everybody just ain't meant to be great, man. Like,

Accepting Average Without Losing Drive

SPEAKER_06

yeah, you you meant to do something in your life and have have a positive impact in life if you if you choose that path, but that doesn't that doesn't mean that you that you destined for greatness. Just don't. Right, and it's not hard to pill to swallow for some men, bro. When you find that out, like you know what I'm saying? Like, dang, I really ain't shit.

SPEAKER_02

It's that pick it's that pinnacle moment where you like, bro, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not gonna be famous, right? Us as artists, right? Us as artists, it's that pinnacle moment where it's like, bro, I'm not gonna be famous.

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Right.

SPEAKER_02

You know what I'm saying? I'm still I'm still gonna drive and I'm still I'm still gonna, I'm still gonna make these bangers. Like, it don't matter. I'm not gonna be the next Drake, I ain't gonna be the next Kendrick, I ain't even gonna be the next 6ix9ine, right? But I'm cool with that. I'm just not I'm not in that position, but I'm still gonna have fun doing what I do.

SPEAKER_06

Man, and that's what it that's what it's about, man. I

Making Music For The Most High

SPEAKER_06

think that's what it's mostly about for me now, man. Like, I done had artists that came in and talked about they want. To do it for the most high, and this and this and that. And once the once a different opportunity came around, they chose differently. And I'm like, well, I'm like still just it's this is for the most high. Like, regardless of what you know, opportunity come my way, like I enjoy doing it because I like making music praising the most high. I like music with substance in it. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, we ain't even we can take the the praise for the most high out of it sometimes and just make music that has substance. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That they can they can turn somebody, change somebody's mind, put something on somebody's mind, like, you know what I'm saying? Or even get you moving in a positive way, get you dancing, get your your your your your your body and all that good shit, feeling good and all that, like, you know what I'm saying? So I think that I that's what I do it for. You know what I'm saying? Like, more for the for the fans and for the most high, but like I don't I don't invested a lot of cash into this, man. Like, you know what I'm saying? A lot of cash. Like, this is just a little bit of what I have, like, like the equipment and stuff like that that I have. Like, but you know, I've it doesn't seem like a sacrifice to me. It was just something that I wanted. I wanted to do, I wanted it, I wanted to have it. I felt like it was gonna elevate me in a certain way, so I did it. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02

And you know, you know what's weird when people set that bar of expectations, right? You uh us artists that that claim to do music for the most high, we we set the bar, the bar so high to where it's like you simply recording a record, regardless if if it makes you money, don't make you no money, makes you famous, or don't make you famous. You the bar was set as making music for the most high. You just simply recording in your bedroom is doing exactly what you're telling yourself to do. That was a purpose that you set out for. But these people who who want to try to I mean, i i if if we're being honest, there is very uh a very select few who are who is able to make money off of music. There's even a lesser chance for those to make me make money off of music doing it for the most high. So not everybody's gonna be the next Lecrae, not everybody's gonna be the next KB, not everybody's gonna be like the top tier of doing doing music for the most high. Like not everybody's gonna is you you probably not. You probably not. But you make but somebody saying, Hey man, I'm making music for the most high and simply doing that. I think that's where we have to kind of look at the mirror and say, maybe this is what I'm meant for. Maybe, maybe the music I'm making isn't even supposed to be meant for the world. Maybe the music that I'm meant, maybe the music that I make is meant to be my worship time with the most high.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I have countless, bro. I don't know how I don't know how much music I have. Right. My hard drive is full, and every other week I take a listen to what I got recorded, and it's like, bro, I don't remember when I recorded that, but that shit is so dope. Like, I don't know who that dude is on that record, but my verse was fire. I don't know when I recorded that, but I'm gonna jam to that shit for the whole next week. And you listen to it, and then you start to realize it puts you in a good mood. Maybe it's not meant for anybody else to hear. Maybe that's supposed to be your your private time with the most high that you get. Maybe it's not meant for the world, maybe it's meant for you and the most high for the intimate moment that y'all share together. Yeah, he gave. Because I got there's been plenty of times where I don't put out a song, and one of the homies is like, or I'll take a break completely and just don't turn on my computer for a whole damn month, month and a half, just to kind of sit back and enjoy life with the fam. And my homies are like, bro, why don't you put out the music? I don't know, I'll put it out when I put it out, but I enjoy recording it. Maybe it's not meant to be put out, maybe it's meant to be shared with just the most high.

SPEAKER_07

Right.

SPEAKER_02

Some people are some people have that gift. There's plenty of talented singers who enjoy singing. For instance, my daughter, she is an amazing singer, but she's not going out and performing in front of the world, right? What she enjoys doing in the comfort of her bedroom, you know what I'm saying? She seems like an angel. That's with the gift that God gave her. Now, if if the most high ends up doing something with that and places her on a platform, then that's one thing.

SPEAKER_08

Right.

SPEAKER_02

I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna sit here and say, This is what you need to do, because this is what I'm telling you you need to do. No, the gift that the most high gave you, you do as what he tells you to do, not what I tell you to do.

SPEAKER_04

Right, right.

SPEAKER_02

That's that's why I that's why I do it. I record so much music that have like I say probably 85% of the music that I make doesn't get dropped, but it's not meant to get dropped. I got albums ready to go broke in different genres that is ready to be dropped.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, I know you are like you are like versatile

Collaboration Freestyle Writing And Letting Go

SPEAKER_06

with that too, man. Like I remember when Meshek had put me on to you and we did that song. My Torah Glow was activated. I ain't really trying to take waste time. We did that, and I sent it, I had did my part, and I'm like, man, he was like, Yeah, man, the brother Cole, man, he this and this and that. I said, man, all right, man, I'm gonna I'm gonna do some I'm gonna do some shit and let me see what he goes through with it. And he sent me that beat, and I'm like, oh yeah, okay, yeah, I definitely need to slam this. So I sent it, and when you what you said back, I'm like, hold on. Like I listened to it a bunch of times first the first time, I'm like, dang, like, because it was like so many tidbits, just morsels that he was dropping, and that that I had to like really like take in. Like sometimes, like, like I I listen to music like I eat food. I, you know what I'm saying? I take my time with it, I enjoy it. You know what I'm saying? And because I'm an engineer, so I hear discrepancies and stuff like that with stuff like, you know what I'm saying? And it'd be like, oh, like, hey, but when I heard your vocal vocals, I'm like, everything you were saying, I'm like, okay. So then after we did that, we did a couple other songs, and I think the best song that that that me and you have done was did was you on that? There's no way up round and down. I got to think, was you on that? Because that was a dope song. I remember he gave me he gave me that beat, but we done been in a bunch of songs, man. Like a bunch of songs.

SPEAKER_02

Um I'm I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't remember like almost 95 of the percent of the music that I record, bro. Like hard. You know, there'll be times where Ms. Tech be like, hey bro, you remember when we did that one track? Or hey, bro, I slayed you on that one verse on that one track, and it's like, bro, I have no idea what you're talking about, bro. I don't I don't remember. He's like, bro, you don't remember the shit that you put out? No, bro. I record my verse, send it off, and whatever gets done with it gets done, I move on to the next one.

SPEAKER_08

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02

It was I took that mentality from from an interview that I saw Kobe doing, and they had asked him, they said, Hey, why don't you celebrate? And the coldest look on his face, he goes, They ain't nothing to celebrate. Game's not finished. You know what I'm saying? And with that, it stuck, it embedded something in me to make me realize, okay, the don the song was dope, the message was out. There was stuff that I did that I had never done on any other track. I handed it off. Now it's time to move on to the next thing. Right now, the job isn't finished. We gotta get something else. We gotta, we gotta give a different message other than what they heard, and and also in a way that they haven't heard before.

SPEAKER_05

Right.

SPEAKER_02

Whoever's listening to it.

SPEAKER_05

Right.

SPEAKER_02

So, I mean, I don't remember half, I don't remember like 95% of the shit that I do. I know there's a couple songs that I remember that we did, you know what I'm saying? What's that one song? Oh, Dirty Game, that one, that's what bro. You know what I'm saying? That's one of the ones that you just remember, you know what I'm saying? High hype, that that's just you know saying that those are just records you remember because they just hit different. You hear something different than you did, you was like, I don't know how the hell I did that, but bro, that shit was dope.

SPEAKER_06

Right.

SPEAKER_02

I was probably never gonna do that shit again, ever.

SPEAKER_06

Man, I ain't gonna lie, we went off on that high heights, man. I ain't even released that yet, man. But me and you, we went off on that, man. Like, and it just like after I did my verse, like the the hook you put on there, it was like I'm like, yeah, this thing came together all the way. Like, and that dirty game, man. Like, you was like, hey man, I did a little something different on here. I'm like, all right, like, yeah, it's like you always doing something different. Like, I thought it was something vocal, but man, he went to he busted the Spanish out on us. Like, I'm like, I like as I was listening to the verse, like, because it's such a high octane beat, a high energy beat, like, and like all of us are like bringing that energy. So, like when you came in at the end and just like slay, I mean, you slayed it. I'm like, it was a sister after you, but she didn't, she kept on talking about her beat wasn't sounding right, her vocals didn't sound right. So I just took her off. So it's just me, you and Dawe. Yeah, we slayed that, man. But yeah, you really, you really went in on that joint. Like, I can't say like you really went in on that joint. Like, yeah, and then this new joint, man, you sent me, man.

SPEAKER_02

I'm just like, like, is it anything this guy can't like accomplish like without I'm trying to figure out I'm trying to figure out what what genre I need to hit, bro. I'm I'm trying to figure out what what stylistic approach I need to take. And but that's the beauty of not writing anything down. It's a beauty and a curse, right? It is it has its uh pros and cons when you do it like that. Yeah because like me, you don't remember anything you put put out, so you try to figure out on the next track, hey, did I do that on this John or did I not? Was it something I said before? Or not, and then also you're you're able to take a different approach than the last track that you did. Yeah, but also that's why I don't listen to music. Like I don't listen to anybody else's shit other than the the shit that I do, right?

SPEAKER_06

Right, I feel that you don't want to be influenced by other people's stuff. I feel that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I feel that that's how I do though, dude.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, that is a dope ass song. I ain't gonna lie, man. Like, I can't done with the album. I just I'm waiting for one more vocal from one of my brothers, and then I'm gonna I'ma drop that, man, because like that rebel without a cause, bro. That's one of my best, that's my best album. Like, cause it's it's it's mostly me. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's just mostly me. I did out of out of 13 songs I wrote and performed, eight of them. And like a lot of them, I didn't even hold on, I'm putting my brother's information here. But yeah, a lot of them I just got came in here and I just sat down and I was like, I'm about to just do this shit. Like, and I just freestyle, like I didn't freestyle, I just thought. Because it's easy, man. It's easy to write songs like that. Like, and do songs when you just sit in front of the mic, listen to the beat. Nah, that don't sound right. Yeah, that's that's what I'm gonna say. Record it, come back to it. That's what I do. I bar for bar until I get to the hook, and then when I get to the hook, because I'm working on the song right now. It's called, I don't know what I'm gonna call it, but I got a beat from Zedek. Yeah, I've just been sitting here working on it. Like he called a beat stand up, uh, Yasha Raw stand up. But I don't know what I don't know if I'm gonna call it that or not, I don't know. But I've just been working on it like, and it it's a lot easier to write songs and and do songs without having to sit down and be be a slave to that pen. You know what I'm saying? Like, cause you you scratch out, scratch out, like I just record it. If it sounds good on the track, that's what I'm going with. Like, I remember I watched a uh video, man, a YouTube video with Lil Wayne, and how he had did one of his songs, he was just doing like four or five bars at a time. And like, uh that don't sound right. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna do that. Then he was just sitting with his laptop. Like, I'm like, dang, so he must have just been recording at this house, then sending this shit to his his producer. Like, here you go. Like, but it's a lot easier like that. I enjoy that too. I enjoy it, but yeah, man, we do got a lot of songs, man. No brother Mitch is about to get on here. Let me see. I was about I was just about to this is about to like close it down. You've been on here for a little while.

Closing And Where To Watch

SPEAKER_06

Like, I know you got some things to do.

SPEAKER_05

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04

But hold on. Let me let me just tell him I'm gonna cut the live stream.

SPEAKER_02

If you want to do next week, bro, you know what I'm saying? Tell him to get on next week, and and if he can make it cool, you know what I'm saying? That'd that'll be dope. Yeah, and this this was a good one though, bro.

SPEAKER_06

Oh yeah, man, hell yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I'm well this was definitely a a good a good conversation, very, very good conversational points that we we touched on.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, and we and it I like this, man. Like it's it's not I don't have to ask too many questions and and like do research on shit. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's this is this we just was talking, like, you know what I'm saying? All praises, man. Like, but yeah, man, this is the boy of being. Hold on, man. Let me let me get this down. Like, this is your boy of being, man, speak the truth podcast, man. We appreciate y'all coming and sit chilling with us, listening to the chop up, man. This will be on YouTube, ASAP, it'll be TikTok everywhere. Check it out. All praise, man. We love y'all. Till next week.

SPEAKER_04

Peace.