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The EVR FWD Podcast
Crack a cold one and enjoy the ride as our hosts Tyler Tackett & Mair Mulroney navigate through the the world as artists; laughing at the absurdity of life in Hollywood and showing the world what it really looks like when you chase your dreams.
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Defying Norms with Humor and Heart (CAN I TELL YOU SOMETHING)
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Tyler has started training Mair for an upcoming action role. They discuss the physical challenges of acting, go off on a tangent about family and what it's like to stray off the beaten path, and talk about the benefits of being part of a generation that has access to more creative outlets. Oh, and Mair farts in the middle of the episode.
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Speaker 2:Five, four, three, two, one Thank you.
Speaker 1:What is it? I don't know. That's not the song at all, right.
Speaker 2:What song, I don't know. Maybe you're writing it, maybe.
Speaker 3:Hey, phelan, you had a week, didn't you? So when we? Yeah, of course we did, of course we did. You did a lot of things this week. Today, this week was a very physical week. You did, oh.
Speaker 1:How am I like physically? How am I feeling? Nobody ever asks me that.
Speaker 3:How physically are you feeling? Well, that's kind of nice, hang on, that's kind of nice. That means they're more concerned with your mental health, I assume right. They're like how are you doing? Or spiritually Maybe they're like spiritually, like hey, hey, how you doing.
Speaker 1:How you doing, are you okay? Kid you all right? Yeah, are they? They're East Coast. Well, yeah, my whole family is East Coast. Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah, that Mulroney clan goes deep.
Speaker 1:Virginia Most of them. No oh no no, no no, no, no, no, no, they're all New England.
Speaker 2:Well, New.
Speaker 1:York. So my dad's from Long Island and my mom is from. She grew up in Virginia Beach but she was from Maryland. So like that side of the family, my grandma's from Philadelphia, my grandpa's from Maryland, and they met there. And then my mom moved to Manhattan after college for work because she wanted to be that girl. There was a television show called that Girl or something like that, and she was like yeah.
Speaker 3:Was it like their age new girl?
Speaker 1:yeah, no, it was more like, even though that did inspire a lot of people to move into lofts. Uh, the new girl yeah no, but hers was more like she wanted to be like a working girl in the city, because in, where you know, my grandma didn't work. She, you know, took care of the kids and cooked and cleaned.
Speaker 2:She's a marine first, though.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah, let's not just glaze over, you know you did, you buried yeah, actually I feel like I knew this information. Hang on, so you glaze over. She's like, yeah, my grandma didn't do shit, I mean no, she didn't.
Speaker 1:No, but she raised six kids. What are you gonna do like fucking hey what?
Speaker 3:was didn't. No, but she raised six kids. What are you gonna do? Fucking A? What was harder being in the Marines or raising six kids?
Speaker 1:I think probably raising six kids.
Speaker 3:I would imagine yeah, this is on mom's side.
Speaker 1:Mom's side yeah, Dad's had eight.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's right, yeah there's eight of those guys man. Yeah, what's that like? That's a big Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1:Massive out like that's a big thing's going massive, massive. Yeah it's. It's fun like it was. It was super, super fun growing up doing all of that because you get like you know like I love a big family gathering you just when you're a kid. It's like you hang out with all your cousins and you just have a good time and and there's not any of like. You're not aware of any of the drama no, why would you be you?
Speaker 1:know you're just now like oh, so-and-so has beef with so-and-so Mainly what it is. Now not so much anymore. I think I've overcome most of this, but like for the longest, like they just didn't like me. Why? Well, I was weird.
Speaker 3:You're still weird, but why wouldn't they like you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but now I have fans, so it's okay.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's so wild man yeah.
Speaker 3:So now it's like well, all the people love us, so I guess she's aight you know what I've always and this isn't like a new idea, but you know what I always think about we grow up, you know, and you're told like, grow up, you know, and, and you're told like, oh, you know, if you're I mean not so much now now. Now, weird is trendy, but when we were growing up and before us, it's like if you're, if you're, you know, you're the weird kid, you're the outcast, you're into the arts, you like weird music, or you dress eccentric, or maybe you have eccentric behavior, you're loud, or maybe you don't bend to the status quo, whatever the case may be. Um, you know, you're kind of demonized for it and you take on all that like insecurity is like a little kid. And then, but when? But when? But I? What I always thought about, you know, even then, was but all the people that we like, literally everyone in history that you can think of, whose name you remember, right, weirdo? Case in point, genghis Khan what a goober.
Speaker 1:Real goober.
Speaker 3:Can I tell you when he I bet, I bet, I bet when he was getting together with his other Mongolian buddies and they were sitting around like ah, what's on your mind While they're playing like D&D or whatever. They did back in those days. I guess D&D was probably a lot more intense back then.
Speaker 2:Regardless.
Speaker 3:Genghis Khan was probably like guys, listen, I'm only bringing this up because I'm only bringing this up because you're my closest friends. I have a dream, a vision, a quest.
Speaker 1:Don't bastardize I have a dream, a vision, a quest. Don't bastardize the. I have the dream speech with Genghis Khan.
Speaker 3:Don't do that. That's definitely not where I was going. Anyway, back to Genghis Khan, I feel like he was sitting around with his buddies and he was like he was sitting around with his buddies and he was like guys, I have a vision. I have call it a prophecy. It came to me. He's like I'm going to take over like the entire world, and they're like big dreams, big swings, my man. And he's like no, no, no, no. Like I'm going to take over the entire world and there's nothing that anyone can do about it. This is what I see for myself. This is my truth. And thankfully, genghis Khan had the kind of friends that were like hey, we believe in you and we should all be so lucky. And because of that, what did he do? They say 10% of the population can trace their DNA back to Mr Kahn. And best believe Mr Kahn. Maybe a doctor. I don't know what the stipulations were for PhDs back then, but I bet he was the equivalent to a doctor. He had his PhD. His peasants hate Doctors, Da Kahn.
Speaker 1:Da Kahn.
Speaker 3:They hate Da Kahn man Da Kahn. Genghis Kahn G Khan Da Khan. They hate Da Khan man Da Khan, Genghis Khan, Genghis Khan.
Speaker 1:Yo, peasants hate Da Khan. They do, we all do. We hate being Khan, we hate it, we don't like it. There you go, genghis Khan. I don't like to put myself. I refuse to be considered a peasant, though considered a peasant, though, I just don't do it. Nobody's calling you a peasant, no, but I'm just saying like I don't want to be in that category.
Speaker 3:Hey, hey. Nobody is under the impression that you give off peasant energy. Do you know what you give off? Can I tell you what you give off?
Speaker 1:What, what.
Speaker 3:You know what you did. You made a gesture. You made a gesture like someone who knew I was gonna say you give off princess or queen energy. You're like what? Go ahead and say it. You give off like the best. You know what you were. You're probably like in another lifetime if reincarnations real I bet you were the village's best minstrel. You menstruate better than anyone I've ever seen. No, no, like the musicians, they have the lute.
Speaker 1:You know what? I bet you're right and it was definitely Celtic music. There's something about that that just like touches my soul.
Speaker 3:Celtic like Scottish right, like Celtic is like the Scottish ancestry right. I mean yeah, it is For sure it is. I mean yeah, it is For sure it is. I'm going to say it is.
Speaker 1:I'm probably wrong, but I'm going to say it is, it's more.
Speaker 3:Irish, can we share it?
Speaker 1:I think that we can share. Look, there's a lot of shared Irish-Scottish DNA. Like just a ridiculous amount.
Speaker 3:I kind of thought they were the same thing until I was like in my 20s.
Speaker 1:I'm not proud of that. Do you know what's messed up? It's like the 23andMe.
Speaker 3:It's either 23andMe or one of those like DNA tests, because my brother got one for us. Ancestry or something.
Speaker 1:One of those, but like the one where you like spit on something. You know what I mean. Yeah, yeah yeah, but they consider English, Irish and Scottish all the same thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Which European? Yeah, but it's not, and the Irish people get really, really upset about it.
Speaker 3:I'm sure everybody does.
Speaker 1:No, not no.
Speaker 3:Not like the Irish. No, no, does anyone get upset like the Irish get upset?
Speaker 1:No, they get.
Speaker 3:That's their charm, right, the fighting Irish. That's like part of their thing, listen.
Speaker 1:It's good. Oh, because you're Scottish.
Speaker 3:So here's the thing. You bring up, the Ancestrycom thing. Can I tell you, ancestrycom 23andMe the whole spit test I've learned. Can I tell you something? I've learned more about myself through spit, as have I, than I ever thought was going to be possible. I found that my entire life, my entire life, I've been going around telling everybody I'm just so like fucking Italian, right which I am. My mom's side of the family are the Mazzolas Very Italian. It's almost mozzarella. It's side of the family are the Mazzolas Very Italian. It's almost mozzarella. It's so Italian.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:The Mazzolas. However, I go ahead and I go spit on this fucking stick and I mail it in to a stranger to definitely not collect my DNA for cloning, and turns out like 10% Italian, 25% Scottish, that's a quarter.
Speaker 1:That's a lot. Yeah, italian 25%. Scottish, that's a quarter, that's a lot. Yeah, no, and you do look very Italian you do.
Speaker 2:It's the dark hair, it's the dark hair, the dark eyes.
Speaker 1:You have a really great bone structure and your nose I might be sorry I burped, I might be doing a racism right now, but your nose is a bit like sharper than what I view Scottish nose is to be.
Speaker 3:Because all right, so I'm not sure my mind my mind's so sharp, I fuck around, cut my head off. Yeah, so is your chin, lil Wayne.
Speaker 1:What my chin sharp yeah, you have a really sharp chin, thanks that was great.
Speaker 3:So your body hurts this week.
Speaker 1:So bad, so bad. Do you see that? It's not okay. This isn't as impressive as my Muay Thai, that's pretty good.
Speaker 3:That's a very specific spot to have a bruise. Why do you have a bruise right there?
Speaker 1:I was, I was, I was doing the tumbleweeds. What are they called? What is it? The? Uh, the? The nose dives. I was nose diving, Was it? No, Is that not it? That it was the. I was running and I was diving and I and you. It's a specific run and a jump. Why?
Speaker 3:were you doing these crazy maneuvers?
Speaker 1:Because I'm training for an action role, am I allowed to say what it is?
Speaker 3:No, of course you're not Okay, you're bad at this. This can't be an ongoing theme where you just we're never gonna get work, we're just gonna break NDAs.
Speaker 1:No, not true, listen. Okay, here's the thing. Come after me. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:No, no. We don't have enough pool or money yet for them to come after us. I'm with you. I like the rebel spirit.
Speaker 1:No, no, but here's what I'm saying. Okay, it's our homies, so they didn't give me an NDA yet, right? However, I look, I get hit. No, I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it. It's rude. I'm not gonna do it, it's. Can't say that I know, but you're going to bleep. We own, this is our show. I want you to know something. I want you to know something I want you to know something.
Speaker 3:You know I'm going to bleep it out, right, yeah, right. But knowing I'm going to bleep it out means you just gave me so much more work.
Speaker 1:I know I'm sorry. Yeah, why would you do that to me?
Speaker 3:It's really sick, though You're going to be so great. So, to elaborate you, let me check my. Sorry, stop, let me check my notes real quick.
Speaker 1:Stop. You know I wanted to marry Harry Potter. Right, you did know that that's my, that's who. That's my dream man right there, not daniel radcliffe, but harry, specifically potter. Daniel radcliffe's great too, but like tyler tackett, so much better sounds like he's gonna be a fucking boy who died, um.
Speaker 3:So let me check my notes here you are training for an action role, action role, yep. So what does that entail? So I'm assuming that means action like are you driving a bunch?
Speaker 1:Is it like martial arts?
Speaker 3:So this is going to be more martial arts, more martial arts, more martial with a T arts Great. So more martial arts. So is there a specific martial art that you've been training?
Speaker 1:Well, we've been working on Muay Thai a lot.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I've been taking Muay Thai. Yeah, we've been taking.
Speaker 1:Muay Thai for a minute. But when we trained with Tim the other night it was kind of like throw all that out the window. So I was like trying to stand all proper and stuff and like have my stand.
Speaker 3:So here's what we're doing, like there's a method to the madness. You do have this really dope roll coming up and it's a roll that's going to entail it's You're going to take a lot.
Speaker 1:It's going to be a lot, a lot of pressure on it, a lot of pressure on it.
Speaker 3:You're going to do great, but in order for you to do great, we're going to set you up for success, and the way that we're doing that is. Initially we had you training in Muay Thai Because I think you should really know how to fight, Like if you're going to do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I don't know, I would love to do more action, but I think, moving forward, I would like to do it right.
Speaker 3:Well, I think the way that you do that is that's why I was so adamant about you doing taking like Muay Thai, and not necessarily Muay Thai, but any actual martial arts, uh, martial art like get in an actual like dojo, right? Just so happens that I train at a really great uh muay thai spot my id.
Speaker 1:You're fantastic, my id, my id, yeah, dan my id it's his spot he um, he's the best.
Speaker 2:By the way, he's so nice he was inducted into the martial arts hall of fame recently.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's right. Yeah, and he's like our age.
Speaker 1:We were in Texas when that happened. Yeah, no, we should have been there, but he's our age.
Speaker 2:How great is that?
Speaker 1:Wait, is he really? Yeah, he has a whole family.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and he opened like a great gym and stuff. But, point being, I think you can always tell, like when you watch back a film or watch back anything, if the person who's doing the action has actually spent time and not just like I went to a couple boxing classes or kickboxing or karate classes or jujitsu. I went to a couple in preparation for this. You can learn a lot, but you can't and it's not to say they won't turn into great performance. A lot of times they do.
Speaker 3:However, I do think you can tell the difference in somebody who can, who's actually learned, like what it means to use their body in a very damaging way. And then what you do is you take that information and just your natural way of stance, a stance, a confidence you have when you're getting ready to fight somebody. You take that and then you start incorporating the flair, the good thing about you. What I've really enjoyed in training with you and getting you ready for this is because you have such a fantastic dancing background. A you're incredibly flexible, giggity. You're incredibly flexible, giggity, you're incredibly flexible. You're very athletic, very athletic, great body awareness, and those are all things that it's really hard to teach, especially the older you get right. Yeah, it's like impossible.
Speaker 1:No, if somebody has bad body awareness. I had a really good friend that I used to like. We would work out together a lot and I used to do a lot of my workouts. I was like, look, you know, when you're really skinny, it's more about toning. So I would do these workouts, that these like ballet beautiful workouts is what they were called.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:And they're hard.
Speaker 3:Ballet's hard, I imagine. I've never done ballet, but I imagine it's incredibly hard.
Speaker 1:You would be. You would actually honestly if that was something, if your life had taken a different path, you would have done really well in ballet.
Speaker 3:I'm going to say this. I appreciate that and I understand what it is that you're trying to say to me. You are saying that I appreciate that and truthfully, I wish I grew up in small town, texas, so you play football and you shut the fuck up About artsy shit. But I wish in retrospect I would have done things like ballet and piano and things like that.
Speaker 3:And I think I was fortunate enough that I think if I would have shown an interest in those things at a young age, my family would have supported it. But anyway.
Speaker 2:I digress, marshall learns and stuff.
Speaker 1:If there was another life where I did anything else. Let's be real, we know what it would be? You would have done ballet. What?
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, I was going to say professional wrestler, which I think everybody would agree with. It's stunts, it's acting Everybody's looking at me, which is like my favorite thing, and it's like over the top, which I've been told is my acting style. The amount of times I've been told, tyler, listen, I'm gonna need you to bring it down that is so unbelievable. But then and I know you've heard the same thing here's the thing we're like that in real life too. We're big. We're big personalities.
Speaker 1:Look, it's not hard to diet. It comes down to with that. I think we're getting a little bit off topic, but it's fine, I don't we got into. We are big, so we have like big facial expressions. We're just big, you know. We are Like our facial expressions are huge. Um, I think that has it's worked for me and not worked for me.
Speaker 3:So a lot of, and my agents were always being like so, commercially, I did fantastic, I did really well, commercials are naturally a little bit bigger, they're bigger, it's big smile, you know happy also, do you think, coming from doing so much music and doing like music videos and being on tour and stuff, do you think it's an easier trend? Because, because film is is so like intimate and sometimes smaller in performance, so with music and stage performance it's as big as possible. You're playing in the back of the room, right? So do you think it was an easier? It was an easier transition from that into commercial, into no, it's just.
Speaker 1:Uh, it was, it was what I got booked for first, because, uh, that's just we have a great look, but I'm just, I'm curious. It was like I was getting booked on on headshots and a and and music video reels, as opposed to having acting reels, because I didn't really do that but, like no, I always completely separated them.
Speaker 1:Acting is very if you, we can be really intense and it's it's not hard to be small when it's a believable situation so what I get hired for a lot and what I'm known for a lot and basically how I make my living is um with through platforms that are very popular, that a lot of people watch, but it's very unbelievable scripts like no one would ever talk like that.
Speaker 1:That's not a conversation someone would ever have you're saying on the, on the like a lot of the vertical stuff that I've been doing and like the soap opera type of things, yeah it. So what I get hired for? Mainly, and that's why I'm I'm bigger. But if you put me on a in a real film, which we've done together I've done other ones where it's like, no, it's just, let's have a moment between you and this other human, it's very easy to be that. Now, mind you, I still have certain big characteristics when I feel like it, when that's the emotion that the character is feeling, which is what I'm feeling, and so it's going to come out and it's going to be a little bit bigger.
Speaker 1:So if you want a mousy character, they don't hire me. They won't hire me because I'm not going to give mouth, I don't. That's not me. I have a big mouth, I have a big nose, I have big eyes, I have big expressions, I have big eyebrows. Everything about me is kind of big. It just is what it is. I can dye it down and I can make it human. But if you want small and and and kind of like a, if you want something, if you don't want this, then you don't want this. You know what I mean. Like there's like a. You know, like Denzel has a certain look, he's got a certain look. You're not going to hire him as like somebody to kind of play a smaller role. Let him shine in what he does. You know, there's certain and I'm not comparing myself to Denzel Washington, but I'm just saying, like you know what you're hiring, so okay, cool, if that's the lane, then it is what it is. You know, I would love to be able to do more, you do I?
Speaker 3:think what I think? I think, um, you're selling yourself a little bit short, or I don't think you are. Maybe the better way to say it is. I think what's very admirable and really cool about you that I actually take a lot of inspiration from because I haven't always been very good at this. It's's very difficult is you are very malleable as an actor. You are able to be both, be very, be very present in in the performance and in with the material that you're given, but you're also at the same exact time it's like two parts of your brain working at the same time. You're able to look at the situation around you, you understand the content, you understand the theme and the tone of what it is that you're doing and you adjust accordingly.
Speaker 3:And what's great about you? You talk about your big features and whatever, and that's one way to put it, I guess. You have a big, beautiful smile and you have striking eyes. I know it's uncomfortable for me to compliment you, but just sit there and let it happen. You do. You have a wonderful, inviting smile and eyes.
Speaker 3:And what's great about you is you're so beautiful but you're able to, at the same time, not be afraid to make a fool of yourself, which is what all of our friends do. You're able to look at whatever the material is and, like I said, adjust accordingly, which I think is the mark of a very talented actor. You find the honesty even in the most absurdity, which is, in fact, our job. So, yeah, you can. You know, on one hand, it can be what it is, but at the same time, I think flowers where flowers are due. You do the job well and, at the end of the day, um, the thing we strive for is to be able to make what we love, what we, the thing that inspires us, um our art form or whatever make it into the thing that pays our bills. You can only do that if you're able to navigate the job side of it you know, and I've struggled with that in my career.
Speaker 3:You have excelled in it, you know. So it's all you know how you look at it, I suppose.
Speaker 1:But literally exactly.
Speaker 3:Take pride in all of it.
Speaker 1:You said I wanted to make this my my full make, acting my full-time job. Right did Right, and I, you know.
Speaker 3:You did, that's what you did. You have done it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I'll be honest, I wasn't. I don't have a college education, I know you don't either, but Okay, nobody was asking what my education was.
Speaker 3:You didn't have to bring it up we brought it up last episode. It didn't have to bring it up. We brought it up last episode. Well, I don't know why we're bringing it up again.
Speaker 1:Why are you bringing up old shit? That was last episode. I don't have a college education, which is fine, but I don't actually have. I don't actually have because I've thought about it, I don't actually have when I thought that I might need it. I don't actually have like an actual work history, so I went straight from high school and during high school, into music.
Speaker 1:So I had a record deal and I was doing that. Right Now, mind you, was I working and like operating things and I owned a studio and I was doing all sorts of different stuff, but that doesn't really count on paper, right? So I've never had technically a real job, uh. And then I had a big falling out with my label and label reps and and management and stuff and I decided to completely flip. And that's when I uh it literally was like okay, I, you know, I'll get into, I'll start acting, I'll do commercial work. I got to figure out a way to make this work while I'm trying to kind of pivot it wasn't I was trying to uh secure like a different situation with a different label and, honestly, acting just took over my life. I wasn't expecting that to happen. I was thinking that what do you mean?
Speaker 3:it took over your life? Was it did take over your life because you were like oh, this is something I've been looking for? Did it take over your life and it was just required a lot of?
Speaker 1:time. No, it was literally like the universe was like well, this is what you're supposed to be doing. So every door just started opening and I felt bad about it because I didn't feel like I deserved it. I didn't put in the work that actors do. Now, mind you, did I put in other work in another side of the industry Abso friggin'-lutely.
Speaker 3:I would argue that you did. Here's the thing what we do in our real life is echoed in our art, and vice versa, right? So I think the misconception is that if you don't have some kind of formal training or informal training, just training in general, then um you uh are not either as qualified or deserving, or however you want to phrase it when it comes to all art forms not to get all fucking granola on you, but if we're going to have the conversation when it comes to all art forms, um, art is supposed to be representative of life. It's supposed to take me as the artist. I have my own singular view of the world. I'm the only, I'm the only me that has ever existed in the history of ever, from the dinosaurs to the Romans, to the Civil War to now. I'm the only me that has ever lived. I'm the only me with my experiences. I'm the only me with every single second, every single fragment of every moment, of every second of my life. I'm the only me. And all of those things have formulated my opinion and my view. They have sculpted what my view is of the world, right, and because of that, if I'm able to channel my view of the world in a way that can be projected in some art form, whether it be music or, in my case, film and storytelling. In that way, or for some people painting, some people cooking, whatever the case may be, I'm the only me that can ever fucking do that right. So, point of that, being with you, you can say, look, I feel like I didn't do this, that or the other. But again, you're selling yourself fucking short.
Speaker 3:Because here's the deal, man, you were brave enough at the beginning, from the get-go. You were brave enough to say no, I want something outside of the typical status quo, what my life has dictated, my life and my address and my family has dictated. I want more. I have a voice, I have things I want to put out in the world, and at first you channeled that through music. And then you took those same experiences. The highs and the lows, okay, have all influenced your view on the world, which has sculpted your art. The thing that makes you an artist is that you're brave enough to again project that view in the world, and whether it comes out in painting, in performance, on film, music, it doesn't fucking matter. Okay, you were having the experiences, you were growing as a human, and then you're brave enough to show up earnestly, in whatever art form it is that you're doing. So you did have training. Just because someone didn't stand in front of a room and tell you this is how it's done does not mean that you didn't get the training.
Speaker 1:Well, to be fair, I don't disagree with you at all on that Right. So because you know, our last episode we talked about, you know, or didn't really talk about it, but just kind of gave our opinions, or my opinion really, of acting classes and the reason why and that's legitimately one of the reasons why I didn't feel like it was necessary for me to even take classes. It was like, look, I do this, I know how to entertain, I know how to connect with another human, that's probably if we strip it all down. If we strip it all down, that's what I'm good at, that's what gives me the connection, that's what I'm good at and I love expressing it musically.
Speaker 1:But that was not the path for me at that time. I would love for it to come back at some point, but I don't know. I do find a lot of joy in creating art in different forms, now that I know how to do it. When I was doing commercial work, I wasn't satisfied because it wasn't artistically fulfilling for me. It was just me being in front of a camera and they're being like oh, be pretty, be happy and say your lines and cool, and it's done.
Speaker 3:Sell the product.
Speaker 1:Sell the product and that's not and it's fine and it's really cool being on set.
Speaker 3:And honestly, some on set and honestly some of them are really fun and artistic. True, and I think it's in the last 10 years it's been kind of trendy to get real artsy with commercial stuff, because you have to, and it's fun. How do you keep an audience's attention? You know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's cool. But I like to tell stories. That's why I like to write songs. I wasn't an artist who people wrote songs for me. I was the songwriter. I'm the creator. It's the story that I want to tell, that I want to narrate, that. I want to make people feel. That's powerful to me and I will always appreciate a really good singer and a really good dancer and I'll always appreciate that. But a good songwriter is a different thing.
Speaker 3:Why do you think that is?
Speaker 1:because they, because they're, they're speaking, the there's when you're a really good singer. People hear that audit, like they hear that and they're like, oh god, that resonates with me. I love that tone and that's a gift and that's beautiful. But when the words match the tone, that is like it's so powerful, it's so incredibly powerful. It's like having a great cinematographer and a great storyteller and a great actor.
Speaker 3:It just kind of all comes together. Everything comes together at the same time.
Speaker 1:And you tell the story, right and that's, but you don't have that without a good screenplay writer, who wrote the story, who came up with it? And then you find the vessels to portray it. It's the same thing with music. Uh, so I don't know, I, I, I wasn't, I definitely wasn't fulfilled doing commercial work. I like it and I still love it like I'm down, but that's because I'm happy, because I have other outlets and I have other things and you know it's always fun to work with fun people and anything, yeah, um commercial web series, student film, theater, music.
Speaker 3:It's there's something very fulfilling about being um around another inspired artist, because then it gives you permission to feel inspired as well. It's like that. There's this uh, very often re-quoted quote um that Often re-quoted quote what let's hear it.
Speaker 1:Let's re-quote it, let's go.
Speaker 3:Listen, um, hey, right here, right here, hey, say on me. There's an often re-quoted quote. That's it's your playing. Small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people will not feel insecure around you. We were all meant to shine, as children do, and when we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give others permission to do the same as our. Uh, our willingness to shine, uh, automatically liberates others. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:And so there is something, whether I think that, I think that really, for me at least, on top of just naturally wanting to tell stories and having that drive in me and feeling the storyteller myself and whatever I do, um, I think my favorite part of what we do as a profession is that you find all these artists in so many different areas, all telling the story in their own way, whether it's costuming or whatever, um, all coming together for a singular vision for a song. It's the producer and the musician. Like you can tell if the producer and the songwriter and the artist all weren't collaborating. You know, you can make it hit certain notes, you can make a film hit certain beats, but there is some sort of like human soul like this. It really is a tangible thing that you'll feel is missing, and that is the beautiful thing.
Speaker 3:So when you can find that connected thing whether it is on a commercial or a film or, again, a student film, whatever the fuck it is, it doesn't matter that's, that's the sweet spot. That's why we suffer and go through all this stuff that we go through. That's what it's worth fighting for. It's great, and we found that in so many different um, uh, so many different um chapters in our life. Let's go. So you are so sore from training.
Speaker 3:I feel like we got off topic a little bit.
Speaker 1:My body hurts, it hurts badly. Yeah, the last time my body hurt this bad, I rode my bike 62 miles.
Speaker 3:That's too many miles.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, way too long it was with Mark Salmon and Justin Kelly Solo music. Solo music let's go. Yeah, and we went. I rode my bike from Mid-City to Hollywood, from Hollywood to Santa Monica, up to Malibu, down to Culver City, into Marina Del Rey and back. It's not, that's not. That's not how you do it If you're not from LA.
Speaker 3:I don't think you really understand what that entails.
Speaker 1:And then all the way back to Hollywood and then we rode all the way back to Hollywood and then I only had my bike, so I had to ride my bike back home to Mid-City. How sore were your legs. I stood to pee Like I stood like a man to pee, wait forward or backwards, you hover.
Speaker 3:There was no hovering, I couldn't hover, I couldn't hover, I couldn't straddle.
Speaker 1:No, I stood over the toilet.
Speaker 3:But what I'm asking is are you facing? Oh, so you're facing the toilet, facing the bowl, nice, and I just stood over it for two weeks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now, mind you, pooping was a problem.
Speaker 3:No kidding, it was a problem. I believe it Just sitting down and having like, but you couldn't sit.
Speaker 1:It was atrocious.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:What is that? Huh, what is that?
Speaker 3:What? No, you're pooping. Um, so it was hard to squat down.
Speaker 1:Uh yeah, no, squatting was like not a thing.
Speaker 2:That was.
Speaker 1:What Are you Stop?
Speaker 3:I don't, oh no, I don't understand what's so funny. We've made it very clear that we're professional actors, and this is a very normal thing for a professional actor man.
Speaker 1:You were supposed to. The point of putting those on, though, is to look good on camera. It's important to use. The point of putting those on, though, is to look good on camera.
Speaker 3:It's important to use the rest of the juice on your neck.
Speaker 1:Who told you that?
Speaker 3:I did. I'll never reveal my sources. I'm not a snitch. You know where I'm from. You've probably heard this before if you're from Boston, but where I'm from, snitches get stitches.
Speaker 1:I'm not from Boston, smell that.
Speaker 3:Why would you do that? You're way too trusting. Don't ever do that. Have I taught you nothing? Who are you? So? You're really sore from training.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bad, like bad.
Speaker 3:So we got you into Muay Thai, mm-hmm, which was very important, because with Muay Thai, you know boxing, fantastic art, kickboxing, fantastic art. Boxing two weapons, kickboxing four weapons. You know what's dope about Muay Thai? It is the art of eight limbs, eight weapons.
Speaker 1:Including elbows. Exactly, okay, you can tell, but I knew that.
Speaker 3:So no, no, no, you're exactly right. It's hands, tootsers, knees and knees, and elbows, head, shoulders, knees and toes. So I think that's why you see a lot of Muay Thai in.
Speaker 1:Singing that song Head, shoulders, knees and toes. Can we edit? That's what I want to see. I want to see a bunch of edits to Muay Thai fighters and it's the song in the background. A bunch of edits, head shoulders, fighters and it's the song in the background. A bunch of heads, shoulders. Yeah, let me make a note and send that to our editor.
Speaker 3:Hey, editor, that we're definitely hiring and doing all the work for us, so we don't do all of it by ourselves. Hey, you other person definitely there behind camera Would you make a note, because this is your only job. To add in yet, I believe, another edit where in this one you find an old nursery rhyme head shoulders you know the one and it's all, but you gotta match it.
Speaker 1:You gotta match it with the Muay Thai. So head, head, hit fucking for your shoulders, knees, get need and toes, we got to get the teeth in there, the teeth let's fucking go listen.
Speaker 3:I know right there I was definitely being a dick to you, but I want to say I'm Vic, because we don't have anybody there. I am definitely. Listen, I am so proud of you for knowing Teep Good girl. Of course I know Teep.
Speaker 1:Of course you do.
Speaker 3:Honestly, you've been doing Muay Thai now for like six months at least yeah, you know.
Speaker 1:Really enjoy it. I don't like sparring. I don't enjoy that. It scares me. I don't like it at all.
Speaker 3:Isn't it crazy when you stand in front of somebody Like everyone's, a fucking hard ass?
Speaker 1:I don't like it. I don't like it.
Speaker 3:That was tucked into my little pants the whole time. It's okay. It's not okay. Can I tell you why? Can I tell you why? I'll tell you why. Where it was tucked in and where that's framed I'm sure you guys already know you could see a little bit of belly pudge coming over the pants. It was very instrategic of me, so I'm going to loosen this up like that. Very in strategic of me, so I'm going to loosen this up like that?
Speaker 1:Why do you think? Why do you think that I tie this right at like my my? So I'm wearing my workout clothes again, essentially, except for not this, but like not my shirt.
Speaker 1:It's not your shirt, but these are like my workout shorts and they have like a cinch at the waistline but then it makes like the pooch pop out and then it also like cuts off at the tummy. So I wear the. I wear this around my waist so I don't have to worry about that. Also, it's my cape and I feel cool wearing it, and when we were doing our workouts the other day at Tempest um, it made me feel like know a superhero when I was flying over stuff. It was very fun.
Speaker 3:Okay, listen, I just spilled on myself you have a drinking problem. You're terrible at it. Yo, how many points do I get if I can sling this thing and it sticks to the wall?
Speaker 2:Let's see Ten, ten points. Yeah, all right, ten points for.
Speaker 3:Gryffindor Alright, ten points for Gryffindor. Ten points for Gryffindor. Yes, yes, stay in there the whole episode. So you're really sore because you've been doing Muay Thai.
Speaker 1:No, I'm not sore from Muay Thai. It was from training with you and tim.
Speaker 3:You took me to the tempest gym, uh-huh, which is nuts tempest is where uh, just for uh, context tempest is where a lot of the not only stunt performers, for pretty much any show or anything, we a lot of the la stunt performers training out tempest. Um, also it's where the A lot of the LA Storm Force training at Tempest. Also, it's where a lot of the folks based in LA come to LA for Ninja Warrior. Oh yeah, so we threw you to the wolves the other night. You got your first. So here's I mentioned it earlier. There's been a process, right.
Speaker 1:Like I, farted.
Speaker 3:We have to take that out hey Eddie, hey Editor Eddie.
Speaker 2:Definitely guy on our payroll.
Speaker 3:Could you edit, edit out? Can you edit out? Oh my god, did you see? Can I tell you something? Can I tell you something? The amount of trust you're going to have to have in me because I could make the decision to not edit that out and just not tell you.
Speaker 1:It might be funny and it'll be fine, but like, okay, so the other day so sweet I was about to get so like deep into. You have to tell the story. Sarah and I are doing our makeup. We we're on set together and we're in the bathroom.
Speaker 1:she's in the bathroom, right uh-huh and she calls me out, and so the ad is calling for us. Mind you, we had like horrific makeup artists, like they had no, they were doing our makeup really bad. So we were like, all right, we got to do this ourselves, because they were like, all right, we'll put some powder on you, but we're like where's the concealer? What?
Speaker 2:There was nothing concealed.
Speaker 3:No, nothing concealed.
Speaker 1:It was bad and we were supposed to be hot and we were supposed to be in college, which we're not. So we were like, no, we gotta work on this. So we went in the bathroom and she was like, alright, I gotta, you gotta leave. So I did, and then she goes. She's like I get a call on my phone. Mary, I need help, come in here.
Speaker 1:Oh no, what happened? Okay, so I went in there so she the toilet wasn't flushing, it was the location that we were shooting at was at a house and their plumbing wasn't working right. And she's like, what do we do? And the ad is assistant director is banging on the door telling us to come out. And I was we're like, just hold on a second, we'll be there. And then and I'm wearing a bodysuit right underneath to like suck everything in so that I can look like a cinched 20 year old, okay, and and we're rushing so we finally get the toilet. And then I was like, alright, I'm gonna take a pee. And the AD's rushing us so bad that I Losing his fucking mind or their mind?
Speaker 3:Her, her, her I'm sorry. Losing her mind.
Speaker 1:That I zip it up, but I pulled. There's something about Mary you wiped cum in your hair Losing her mind. That I zip it up, but I pulled, I pulled. There's something about Mary.
Speaker 3:You wiped cum in your hair.
Speaker 1:No, I zipped my clit up, dude, it was the most atrocious pain. I've never experienced it. Sarah had to try and unzip it for me and we're like, ah, and the AD is outside the door, like, can you make? We need you on set. We need you on set. And she's like there's a fucking emergency from underneath my legs.
Speaker 1:I need, I need help. I need help. And she's like underneath me like looking up trying to fucking fix it, and the AD is there and she's literally under, like she has one of my legs in her hands and then she's screaming at the AD with the other, like won't be there. It was so bad, so that's just a Hollywood story. I'm sorry it came up. I had to bring it up. I'm sorry, you can get back on track, did it come up.
Speaker 3:Did it.
Speaker 1:We were talking about like pooping or farting I farted. That's what happened I farted.
Speaker 3:Full circle, full circle, anyway. So you're getting ready for this really dope, awesome action role? Yes.
Speaker 2:And Center Okay center. Okay.
Speaker 3:Woo Um. So we took you to Tempest where a lot of stunt performers train a lot of uh, intentional warriors, and we did kind of throw you the wolves, but I have to say, um it, it, it's your dancer background, the fact that you have been very dedicated to Muay Thai and the other stuff that we've been kind of putting you through. You showed up at your first day at Tempest, and not to toot your tooter, but because, because you're clearly doing enough that you're on your own In the comedy world. You know what we call that A callback Anyway. So you're at Tempest Tempting fate. You know much like you're doing with your underwear. Sorry, last one.
Speaker 1:Now we have to keep it in. We have to keep the fart in. We can't cut it out.
Speaker 3:Eddie the editor make a note. So you're at Tempest and yeah, so you're at.
Speaker 3:Tempest and and the Storys Podcast. So so One of us us trying to be professional, um, okay, all right. Um, so we've got you there and, uh, you know, I've been training you, um, just you and me, um, for a minute, uh. However, it is a different thing when you bring someone else into the mix. Now we bring in one of my best friends, tim Neff, fantastic actor, stunt performer, years of experience, very, very, very gifted and just all around good dude kind of the guy that got me into everything right. So we take you to this gym.
Speaker 1:I don't think anybody made me aware that it me into everything, right, so we take you to this gym? Mm-hmm, I don't think anybody like made me aware that it. I knew that it was like hardcore, but like.
Speaker 3:It's hardcore, but it's welcoming, it's cool, but it's intimidating. Man, we didn't really. I didn't want to freak you out, but I went there in pigtails, as you shouldails, as you should, as you should. And you know what else you did in pigtails you threw tornado kicks, butterfly kicks. You were learning dive rolls, that's what they're called. Yeah no, you knew I think you called them that you were Son of a bitch dude. We got you doing wall runs.
Speaker 2:The knee spins.
Speaker 1:Those were my favorites.
Speaker 3:Oh man, I've got some really cool ideas for some stuff, so we basically took you through when this particular project is.
Speaker 1:One handed cartwheels Working up to the aerial, yeah that's gonna take.
Speaker 3:That's gonna take some time. Aerials like you know, the cartwheels Working up to the aerial.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's going to take some time.
Speaker 3:Aerials like the cartwheel, without any hands, but you're halfway there.
Speaker 1:I got to get better at jumping, though, dude, I got to get some air on that. Yeah, if I can jump really well, then I'm not scared as much. But there's a lot of me too close to the ground at this point, so I feel like um, it's, it's weird.
Speaker 3:It's like you, uh, you you think like some of the basic stuff and and and uh, like some performing and some like the parkour stuff, like even the basic, like vaults and stuff, like even the little things, like a little safety bolt or something like just like where you're you're kind of just stepping over it. You think would be a lot easier than it is. Or, or like little things with. Uh, we did, we took you through like reaction drills, like I throw a punch and you react and we have to get the timing down. Even doing little things like that, like your neck will get super, super sore. It's more taxing on the body than you think. You learn falls and you were dude. We were there from like 8 to 11.
Speaker 1:PM.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, and at our age that is a task, and then we stayed up till 2 drinking beers.
Speaker 3:And being like wasn't that cool. And working on the podcast, I guess no, it was cool. We were there for like three hours and I have to, like I said it in the last episode. But one of the big things for me is I have a vetting process for anyone that's gonna do stunts. Like, not everyone needs to be a stunt performer. Actors are often, and very, very often, required to do very physical things and if you're going to do it, if that's going to be a part of the job, be fucking proficient at it. Right, like like um, and everybody wants to look cool doing the action stuff. It's fun, you know, but not everyone wants to show up and do the work that isn't on camera, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you did Well. No, it is. It's fun. Honestly, I had the best time I had so much fun.
Speaker 3:It's like a big grown-up playground.
Speaker 1:It's a big grown-up playground. I'm sure I looked like an idiot. There were tons of people there who were like do this, do this? And they were probably like but I didn't feel so bad because you and tim are so good at what you do, yeah, and I'm sure they were younger, so it's like they probably are like, what is that fucking youtuber doing here? And I was like I'm trained for a movie bitch, you know like yeah, I'm doing something real cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just wait and see watch the tornado kick I didn't really care, I was having the best time, and you don't feel it in a moment because, like, the adrenaline is so high but it's hard, like it is, your body doesn't move the way that you guys. It's so Well, you guys are so good at what you do, to where you make it look, and for you guys it is easy. It doesn't mean that it's not taxing on your body, but it's to where you make it look, and for you guys it is easy.
Speaker 3:It doesn't mean that it's not taxing on your body, but it's easy for you.
Speaker 1:Well, we've just been doing it a long time. Well, yeah, because you're professionals. But I'm like, oh, they make it look really good. And then you run up to this object that you're supposed to jump over, that's at your chin, and you're like, ah, they just flew, flew over it, like you know. Like, like, like like, like it's like, like, a little squirrel like but like a badass like a badass squirrel.
Speaker 2:Wow, that's nuts.
Speaker 1:Anyways, I would run up to it and then I would like get to it and I'm like wait, no, let me take it back. Let me take it back.
Speaker 3:But but, with that being said, you did like kind of fucking crush it, man. We, we threw a lot of information at you. You know, um, for this particular thing, like you're going to, there's going to be a lot asked of you and um, and I just I don't, I don't know. I don't want to dwell on it too much, but I do. I do really really commend your commitment, because three hours of a training session and not to mention, like we've been having you like lifting weights, your diets changed as we sit here and drink beer, but we'll address that when we get closer to the shoot date. But no, you're really showing up and like putting in the work, so, and I think it'll show on screen, you know. So kudos to you. I'm really proud of you. You did a good job.
Speaker 1:Cheers kid.
Speaker 3:Cheers, kid. Here's looking at you, kid.
Speaker 1:Here's looking at you. Kid Said all my Boston relatives.
Speaker 3:I have an audition tomorrow, or callback tomorrow, where I have to do a Jersey accent, but not just a Jersey accent like, but not just like a Jersey accent from like the eighties, and um, and I, and I, and, and, and I can do it, that's fine, but I think, dude, I have such a hard time. Um, there's certain um, tell me if you can relate, but there's certain accents that may not sound anything alike, but something when I do it turns me on. So, for instance, this New Jersey accent. Sometimes when I do New Jersey, it wants to go southern.
Speaker 1:It's because one you are technically southern.
Speaker 2:You're from Texas, that is true.
Speaker 1:Texas is its own thing, but you're very close to the Louisiana border. Yeah, so it's you. There's Southern Charm is a real thing, where people they just they smile more and that's kind of why they talk like that. Is they just you know, and then you get your, you get your hicks and shit like that and you get them people who, but you are more of like, you're more of that you know, then you get your, you get your hicks and shit like that, and you get them.
Speaker 1:People who? But you are more of like, you're more of that, you know. You just smile and you just say and that's what I'm like, no, your whole family though. Oh tyler, oh my god, you brought tyler where we have been so happy to see you, whereas new england would be like, oh, what's up, kid, yeah, no, no, no, it's, it's, it's no. You look like a good fella. So their whole faces droop more Okay.
Speaker 1:Oh, you look like and it's technically the same accent Because it's the same type of person, but it's a different area. So imagine somebody who's cold all the time. They're more like you know. So, like you know, if you gotta do the joysy, you gotta just you gotta think that like you, you know and I'm not doing it particularly well, but you know just frown a little bit. So what you wanna do, cause you're what you're your natural go to, is to smile, and you just do that.
Speaker 3:Nah dude, can I tell you something? I'm sorry you had to find out this way, but I'm not even a big smiler, I am stone cold killer. Before there was stone cold Steve Austin. Bringing back to wrestling, because I'm convinced I will be a wrestler. Stone Cold, tyler Tackett. They used to say they don't say it as much anymore, but they used to.
Speaker 1:They don't. No, you smile and you're sweet and you just have to frown more. So when it's like, hang on, can.
Speaker 3:I throw something at you.
Speaker 1:This isn't the audition.
Speaker 3:But if I was like, since just you and me here and this is a safe space and nobody's ever going to see this, let me try something.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, let's see. So it's like a New Jersey thing right, all right, all right.
Speaker 3:Now hang on, stop. Stop, you're not taking this. You're not taking this seriously. Stop, you're not taking this seriously. Hang on, I'm driving right. That's what this is.
Speaker 1:How old am I? Am I male or female? I know what his callback is for, so it's funny. It's funny to me because he could be hey hey hey, focus, okay, I'm in character right now.
Speaker 3:Hey, wait, hang on you. Uh, you going to school on a Saturday?
Speaker 2:That was pretty good, you were transported right.
Speaker 3:You're like oh fuck, I thought I was on West Coast, best Coast, but all of a sudden I'm back on the East.
Speaker 1:I feel like you've done that better. And once again, what did you do with your mouth?
Speaker 3:You went you eh, eh. You're going to school on a Saturday. You know why Can I tell you? Why Can I tell you why?
Speaker 1:Because you're thinking of Rocky. Stop, stop doing Rocky.
Speaker 3:I want to do from now on. Every audition I go to, they always say you can give two takes. Right, so I'm going to give two takes. I'm going to give two takes. The first take I'll give an authentic, like my take on it.
Speaker 1:But then every other take that I do for anything from now on, I promise you I'm going to do.
Speaker 3:What do you think the Apollo's coming in with me? Nobody ever got it. This is the Apollo, you know. So they're gonna get the authentic Tyler Tackett take the Tackett takes, as they call it in the fan club yeah that I'm starting um, and then they're gonna get the Sly take, you know the Sly take not like Sly, like uh, we're sneaking it in, but kinda can I tell you?
Speaker 1:something so I Can I tell you something. So I had a friend. I have a friend he's still a very good friend, ilya. He decided to go real method. Real method for this audition, one time at Space Station Casting, which, oh, that's where we're met. Hey, listen, you're fine. So I didn't know what he was auditioning for. But there's like all these different casting offices there and there's a bunch of different people there for different things.
Speaker 1:So I had come out of something and you always see people in the hallway and you're like, oh, what's up? You know? So I see him on the ground, uh, and he's doing like this thing back and forth. And I was like, you know, and I knew it was him. So I was like it's weird for me to just like walk past him and I saw him look at me. So if he had totally ignored me, I just would have been like, well, he's in character, I'll go. But he did like this thing and I was like, hey, ellie, and he goes, hey, man. And I was like, oh, okay, and I just kept going, right, sure as you should.
Speaker 1:So he was auditioning For like a mentally Disabled character, but he decided to go Into the audition room as Full method Like disrespectfully method Like. And here's the thing about he has. He's, he's from russia and, um, when he was born, something happened where his, his hands, like right here, are fused together hang on, hang on real quick, are you telling me? So my boy came out of the womb with the fucking With guns blazing.
Speaker 1:Like guns blazing, bro he did. He came out of the womb guns blazing and then he just decided to hang it like this Shit dude.
Speaker 3:Which he doesn't normally do. So kill, shot style.
Speaker 1:Kill shot style, but like a little limp for the.
Speaker 3:Like try me, me, like I dare you yeah, and he and he just love your shit, dude, because we have the same agent.
Speaker 1:The note that he got back was we didn't we, he was. He was great.
Speaker 3:He was really really good none of us want to work with him.
Speaker 1:However, we're all uncomfortable the amount, the amount of dialogue in the mount that he would have to carry, because it's a lead role throughout the film and it's not just like a you pop in, you pop out yeah like we can. We are not looking for actually disabled people at this moment.
Speaker 3:Wait, so he did so good. They thought he was. Oh, they thought he was yeah, can I tell you something? In some ways he is. That's insane. But in all fairness, again, again, full circle, full circle, hey, full circle. Only the weird ones make history. One time you want to hear a funny audition story. One time. Similar thing At actually, now that I think about it, space Station Casting.
Speaker 1:Out of this world, kowanga Boulevard.
Speaker 3:Yep it. Yeah, it's a casting office that used to be super popular pre-2020.
Speaker 1:No it closed down after oh is it actually closed down?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's closed. Oh, that's actually kind of sad, I know.
Speaker 2:Anyways, so same casting office, I got Star Wars out of there.
Speaker 3:You got Star Wars out of space station casting, can't write this shit. You got Star Wars out of Space Station casting, can't write this shit. They wouldn't believe it. You know what's funny? I'm in Chatsworth and for people that don't know LA, they wouldn't realize that Chatsworth to Space Station in downtown Hollywood, it's a galaxy far, far away. It really is, it really is. It really is, it really is. So I had this audition one time for like a I think it was for a short and I was in this weird stage in life. I'm like in my mid-20s and I'm trying to figure out who I am as an artist. I'm trying to do the method thing too, because you're told like that's a whole different topic that we're not going to get into tonight.
Speaker 1:We should do a whole episode on, just like I did do that with Star Wars, you got method.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh really.
Speaker 1:Because I thought they wanted real British actors.
Speaker 2:So I you went to England.
Speaker 1:No, I just went in there and I was very like I didn't say anything other than my name. And that was kind of what the character called for was to be a little bit like cold. So it just worked for me. But it's only because I was shy if I went in there.
Speaker 3:I was like hey, I'm there, they, they wouldn't do something if you went in there like that for any audition. They'd probably think you were auditioning for that part.
Speaker 1:The other guy was no but no, but I was like. You know, I'm normally like, very like, friendly and so I just went. I went in there and until I got onto set the producer was like wait, so you're not really, and I was like no.
Speaker 2:And they're like oh, that's a nice compliment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know, and it was it was tough. And they're like, and I was like is that a problem? And he's like no, we don't care, we just like no, we don't care, we just wanted someone who's good, you know, and like believable, um, but also I gave off a little bit like I'm too good for this and I think that nice worked.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I, with the same gusto and confidence, went into this audition for this short film playing a. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry yeah.
Speaker 3:So I go into this audition. It's for the short film and I'm supposed to play this guy who is a I forget the term but the guy that's like the kind of person who's they don't like leaving their house.
Speaker 1:A ninja turtle? No, they're from the sewers? What no?
Speaker 3:the ones that are like it's like an actual, a nymphomaniac. No, nope, um the ones that are afraid of leaving the house.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it's like a nympho, it's a phobia, it's not it's.
Speaker 3:It's not an info, but it is a phobia. It's not an info, but it is a phobia.
Speaker 1:We know, though. We know, what it is.
Speaker 3:Either way, my boy is afraid to leave his house, and so he just walks around in his underwear all the time.
Speaker 1:Did you go in there? I didn't go in there in my underwear, but here's what I did.
Speaker 3:It's like a short film Stop Right. It's probably some people just like us trying to get their dreams off the ground.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:Right, god bless them. They saved up money and they rented a spot in casting. And here I come, fully clothed, I get in there. And it specifically said they walked around in whitey tighties.
Speaker 2:I don't wear whitey tighties, I'm more of a briefs guy.
Speaker 3:No, I don't wear whitey tighties, I'm more of a briefs guy. No, yeah, but I went and bought some, some like through the loom, fucking like whitey tighties, right. And I roll into this audition. I walk in and Space Station's like these little office rooms, right. And so I get in there and it's just two guys like my age and they're sitting on the other side of this table and the other side of this like 12 by 12 room and they're like, okay, cool, whenever you're ready, and they got a little handy cam and they set it up, they hit, go action. I'm like, okay, like such an asshole, I'm like one moment. I'm like okay, so I turn around and I I proceed to take all of my clothes off down to my fucking skivvies dude, my whitey tighties, man. And I turn around and I look at these guys and I am so fucking I have done.
Speaker 3:I've been listening to like I made a playlist, I was listening to the right music, you know, on the way to the audition, I get in there and then I proceed to do this long fucking monologue where they just have to sit there with this other strange man and watch me sit in front of their camera in my underwear and not like a cool pose either. In my underwear and not like a cool pose either. I'm doing that thing where, like when you sit down, like your tummy pooches out, no matter how ripped you are, like your tummy fucking will pooch out a little bit and you're like sitting there kind of like uncomfortable. It's not a flattering angle and I'm just in my tighty whities and I'm delivering this monologue to camera about and it's deep, it's well written and I'm giving it my all and I swear to God, one of two times in my life I've gotten this. They look at me and they go okay. Well, thank you so much for coming in.
Speaker 3:And I know to this day.
Speaker 1:That's never good.
Speaker 3:To this day, to this day, to this day. That's so bad.
Speaker 2:I guarantee they still tell that story. Did you do it?
Speaker 3:Uh well, I got hired, um, to help write a feature, and so right now I'm in kind of the story building, brain splash, kind of outlining part, and I don't do this for all the movies that I do, but for this one I decided to go back to the flashcard method, as I'm outlining, and basically what you do is each flashcard represents a scene, right, and you want to keep it like super, like short, rough, just bullet points, like so this would be like an opening scene.
Speaker 3:So it would be like opening scene. Maybe you say like interior, exterior, where it is, and then on the back I write a short description of what happens in the scene, and then I also, at the bottom right, like what's the, the, the, the key, like emotion or the, the, the, the subtext of whatever that scene is, and put that down there. And then what you do and you don't have to go in order, it's just any scene that you think of, right, and then you start putting it on your board and what that does is you're able to visually see like, uh, where there's parts of your story missing, um, maybe some plot holes. You can actually, because they're on postcards, you can move shit around, um, it's just a good way to, when you're outlining, have something kind of visual in front of you while you're building. Don't fuck around if you don't want to find out. You know my papa used to say that. You know what my papa used to say, what yeah.
Speaker 3:YOLO. You know what that means.
Speaker 1:You only live once.
Speaker 3:I forgot. I introduced you guys. Yeah, you guys come back to Texas and meet the fam. Yeah, I did.
Speaker 1:He would have said that to you, your family's great they're the best right. No, they're like, they're actually fantastic. The fact that you it's well, it's puzzling that you came out of them Because they're all it makes sense, but it doesn't Like.
Speaker 1:You just have this artist spirit that was like I want to fly and go, but where you're from, like they all live relatively close to each other and it's a big family and everybody is pretty close by and they all are very like, close-knit, and you were like, no, I have to, I have to go, but you're also very close, you talk to everybody every day.
Speaker 3:I yeah, I mean honestly I moved to Los Angeles when I was 20 years old. I'm 34 now that's the time of recording this. I moved to LA when I was 20 years old. Up until that point, I had never left my small little town. It's such a Hollywood cliche.
Speaker 3:My family is really close and you know, the hardest thing about doing what we do and I know you can relate is not necessarily the day-to-day with the auditions. That stuff's hard and the rejection our profession for a good portion becomes rejection. That's hard but you can handle it. What's really hard, at least for me, has been away from my people. You know the things that make you you it's very, very difficult. We, we are very close and they're fantastic and the best. I am the culmination of the best parts, of the best people I ever met, and it's a one, it's a, it's it's. It is a fucking blessing. Uh, they're fantastic, um, but it's hard. But I mean to tie it back into, kind of I guess this and what we, the inception of why we. Maybe your cousin Patrick is the writer is probably the only other artist that I really know and he did and that's kind of a newer venture for him, right.
Speaker 1:It is, yeah, so my family His book just came out. His book just came out. He has a book called Sons of Brunos. It's a fantasy novel and it's supposed to be kind of like a Game of Thrones type of vibe.
Speaker 3:Oh man.
Speaker 1:No, and the reviews have been really good.
Speaker 2:I'm so in.
Speaker 1:It's a good book book and it's so strange because growing up, um, there was there's kind of like this weird separate. So our family is very new england, his family is very boston, or his, like you know his mom and his dad, they live in boston, they spend their summers in ireland, like that, and it's it's kind of like you choose a certain road. You know what I mean or what you would think Like that's what our family kind of does. It's like, okay, you're either in banking or you're a lawyer, or you're banking or lawyer, like that's what you do. So to choose an artistic outlet, which you know he has a day job, but I don't think he's going to have to rely on it for long.
Speaker 1:And his dad, who my Uncle Paul, is wonderful. He's always been somebody who I've been like. He was one of my favorite uncles growing up because he just was like so fun, loving and stuff and you met Paul.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he was great. Where did we go? Tony P stuff, and you met, you met Paul. Yeah, he was great. Yeah, you met. We had dinner at where did we go?
Speaker 2:Tony P's, tony P's, that's right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we were chilling in the bar With him and Matt, my uncle, matt.
Speaker 3:Tommy and mom and dad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but they all chose a very like the generation before us took like such a traditional route that it just doesn't seem like a feasible thing and I was very much like an outcaster to the family for a very long time so I didn't really get to know him. I didn't get to know Patrick and his brother Paul growing up very well until, like, they kind of grew up and became their own and I didn't realize that, like you know, patrick had like this artistic heart you know, and his dad's really proud of him, like which is awesome Wild Like you, wouldn't.
Speaker 3:You know, there's someone does something out of the norm, especially if you have, like, a family that that stands on a certain preset sort of values or whatever. Um, you know the ones that step out of that. There's this thing where it's like I have to. I'm not a fucking parent, but I have to imagine. There is this balancing act between what was instilled in you and your beliefs and your approach to life and all that and what you and how you want to pass that on to the next generation, but also wanting to be supportive of this new person you've created yeah and and if they are different and and that's that's got to be a difficult kind of crossroads to come at.
Speaker 3:So kudos to any parent that can like support that, because I'm sure it's not easy yeah, and you know he I think I think it's it's not easy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you know I think it's wild because it's kudos to supporting it. But it's also them kind of realizing, like it's one thing to realize your kid has talent. And Patrick is an adult at this point. He's in his 20s, he's good, like he has another career. He self-funded the book. He has like an audio book out that's on Amazon that you can buy and he self-funded everything.
Speaker 3:So this isn't his first rodeo.
Speaker 1:No, this is his first rodeo, but he did it right oh good man, he did it really
Speaker 3:right.
Speaker 1:He did it right and he worked really hard on it for a long time.
Speaker 3:That's right. You told me he hired actors.
Speaker 1:He hired voice actors, yeah, like he did the whole thing For the audio. That's right. Yeah, that's right, that's right, he did the whole thing and you could. You know, as a parent, you kind of want to be like okay, but you have it there, there's an opportunity for you to get your voice out there and as long as you get it out there like it's good, people will like it and you have the chance to have to have that. So it's weird. I think about that, like what our parents, if they had, you know, social media, or if they could do it, or if they could self-distribute would they have done that?
Speaker 3:Maybe, I mean, the culture would have changed. Right, it would have been a culture where, if people started doing that, where they started, just like they did with us, when, once that option became available, then people started doing that, if that option would have been available for them, you would think the culture would have shifted and it would have started promoting that. I think I really believe, I truly do. I really believe that the human animal needs a couple things, and they're very basic needs. It's the human animal needs food, water, shelter. They stop that right now. You stop that. You listen. You tell those eyebrows to take a smoke break. They need to chill. Um, I'd like to mention that these uh guys have stuck on this wall.
Speaker 1:I think we're just keeping them. Okay, let's just keep them, yo every episode, every episode, let's add to it.
Speaker 3:It may not every episode.
Speaker 1:But like when we, whenever you, that's so gross. Let's do it. It's not gross, it's not gross.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not gross.
Speaker 1:It's not a booger.
Speaker 3:It's not yet.
Speaker 1:I farted.
Speaker 3:You did. I'm glad we brought that back up. Eddie, make a note. Stop, um, so You're a child. I truly believe that the human animal has certain no, can I help? No.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, that's such a good spot too.
Speaker 3:Stop, I'm trying to be deep.
Speaker 1:Focus. Let me get into character Deep.
Speaker 3:Nice, I can see what you're doing with your eyebrows. That's good. No, in all seriousness, I really do believe that the human animal, all of us, need certain things Food, water, shelter, sure, but they also need outs. Right, we are humans, like our creators. All of us need certain things Food, water, shelter, sure, but they also need outs. Right, like we are Humans, like are creators, right, we have this energy that we need to get out and we need physical exertion, and then we also need a creative out.
Speaker 1:And we do.
Speaker 3:All of us, man, and I feel like, more so recently, but for a long time that wasn't something that was nurtured, and I think we can see the side effect of that. We all need to express ourselves in one form or the other and so like, if it's a fantasy novel, you know, something akin to Game of Thrones or Lord of the Rings, which signed me up.
Speaker 1:Truthfully, honestly, dope he even had. He's got he like dude Kid went hard he went. And I got he like dude kid went hard, he went and I call him a kid.
Speaker 3:Like he's not a kid. He pays taxes.
Speaker 1:He pays taxes like he's a grown man, but like, but he, he, like, he did, he did like animations for his novel let's go, let's go. Like he really went hard, so I'm I'm proud of him.
Speaker 3:Everyone deserves to have a voice, whether it's something that exists, complete in fantasy, whether it's something more basic. Speaking of books, my pawpaw actually wrote a book as well, and actually sitting right under here don't move, don't go anywhere.
Speaker 1:Oh, we can't mess up the fight club. We're not, it't go anywhere, guys. Oh, we can't mess up the. We can't mess up the fight club.
Speaker 2:We're not, it's gonna be great.
Speaker 3:Oh, perfect. Look at that. A little shameless self-promotion for the family. Popo wrote a book too. My Popo, who has never done anything like that before, decided he was inspired and found a story that he was really into and did the exact same thing. His is more based around. It's like historical fiction, so based in reality but fictionalized. But it doesn't matter, it's his voice. It's the same as with Patrick and doing something completely fancy. It's the same thing when it's you and you're doing music. It's the same thing when you're performing on screen on any kind of stage. It's all about us as artists expressing who we are, and that is such a vital fucking part of existing. We all, everyone, you, you, you, you, we all have a voice and it is all valid and we should all have that nurtured. As much as it's worshipped to be successful financially, which is important, that's fine.
Speaker 1:The key is you can be successful. You can be financially successful as an artist. I think for a long time it has been this way of looking at things, of cause. I know my family looked at me this way. It's like, oh, you want to be an artist, you want to be poor, you know, and and for some people that doesn't matter, and realistically, like that's what is what is poor. Can I pay my bills? Do I have good people around me? Am I happy?
Speaker 1:Can I do the things that I want to do, then that's fine, Then that's fine, but like you know, to be looked down on for that as opposed to like. Okay, but you, art is like, there's a reason for art.
Speaker 3:Where do people go when they're upset? Yeah, music movies, paintings. You is like there's a reason for art. Where do people go when they're upset? Yeah, music movies, paintings.
Speaker 1:You know good food dude, you can make a living doing it. You can do it and you can. You can be super, super successful, but there's this weird state of like either you're very famous and wealthy as an artist or you're a pauper, and that's not true. That's just not the truth. You can be in the middle, you can be successful, and it doesn't mean that that's your stagnant point, like you can be on the rise. But you can make a living doing this and you can, and sometimes make a good living and sometimes make a fantastic living.
Speaker 3:It depends on your barometer right. What's a good living? What is it being?
Speaker 2:happy.
Speaker 3:I think that's fucking beautiful and I couldn't agree with you more. And I think, if and as we do, more and more of these, you know it'll develop. But I really think that you and I are on the same page and that we want to sit here and talk to folks and show like, look, you can reach for the celebrity and the fame on that level the Ryan Reynolds and the Meryl Streep and the you know the, whoever the fuck you look up to who.
Speaker 1:I don't think who got to that level not by striving for it, by the way. Yeah, right, like if you're looking for it like.
Speaker 3:That's kind of weird, right. But I think what I would love for us to showcase and is what does it look like on the day-to-day? Let's have real conversations about what auditions look like and all that kind of stuff. But it's not but you can have like a fully-fledged happy life doing this, and it doesn't have to be that celebrityism. It can be the thing that you love and you can be a professional artist and just be.
Speaker 1:It doesn't Now, you don't. I think the one thing that people don't really understand about celebrity is like that that is a marketing tool, of course, and that's fine, I think most people get that.
Speaker 1:No, I don't actually. I think most people like us who do this for a living understand that absolutely, but I don't think that most human beings on the planet understand that at all. Fame is not part of the job until it is and and and it's. You know, like it's. It's not part of the job until it is and then, when it is, that's it's great. But it's not because you're being worshipped as like how great you are as a human or how great it's because you are a product who has sold certain things, and you've sold enough things that are popular enough.
Speaker 3:Your name is currency.
Speaker 1:So your name is currency. At that point you are, you are your face, not your name even as much because your face is currency. So having you attached to something is currency. And you going to an awards ceremony or you doing this and that for a film that you did, like all of that is it's like it's political at that point and that's beautiful to get to that point.
Speaker 1:I don't think that's something that should ever be looked down on because, like that, what to get to that point? I don't think that's something that should ever be looked down on, because what a goal to have to achieve that. But at the same time, there's a lot that comes with it, and fame should never be what you're after, because most people who achieve that level of success are not looking for fame. They just really wanted to be really good at what they did and they were, you know, and they were parts and they and they worked really hard and they sacrificed a lot and and that and and. If you don't reach that level, that doesn't mean that you're not successful. I know tons of really really successful actors, people who have homes in los angeles, families like they. They go on vacations, they do things that's what you want constantly.
Speaker 1:That's what you want to strive for, and they and they work, and and they're enjoyable and you would see them. You're like, I feel like I recognize that person, but I don't know from what.
Speaker 1:Because they've they've worked, you know and they've and they've done things and and you know their, their face may not be quote-unquote currency yet, but their talent is, and there comes a point where it switches between your talent being the currency and your face being the currency, and that's, and that's different. It doesn't. It doesn't mean that one is, you know, more than the other, obviously, like there's. Then that's when, and that's when agents really get involved and and lawyers really get involved through deals, and that's when you're making money, money, money, money, money. But, um, I don't think it's something that fame is something to be looked down upon. I think it's something to be used, but it's definitely not something to be looked for I agree.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I agree, I agree. I think, at the end of the day, what you should strive for is whatever it is that you find fulfillment in and know that, whatever that thing is, it does have a seat at the table, and if you're willing to work hard and believe in it and do it for the right reasons and you can be happy, and I think that's what this um whole thing is going to stand for.
Speaker 3:And I'm going to try really hard and I'm going to fail, um to not get on my soapbox every episode, but I think what a wonderful sentiment, similar to the first episode, for us to end on. And that again, if you want to have a life I'm not talking about celebrity, I'm not talking about fame, that stuff If you're searching for that, godspeed. But if you want to have a life where you can work and do something fulfilling and still have a couple of drinks at the end of the night, go out for dinner, go on vacation, turn your phone off and not worry, you know, and, and you know, fall in love and have some adventures, you can do that, and and I think that's pretty sick too, and I think that should be celebrated as well so, um, yeah, as we uh keep going on this adventure, uh, together, you and I and all of us, uh, let's see how far we can push that idea. How far can you take a dream without sacrificing parts of yourself? You never should have had to in the first place?
Speaker 3:You know, cheers, babe, no matter what Ever forward. Son of a bitch, she said. The thing Is that cheesy? I don't think it's cheesy, we play superheroes.
Speaker 3:Goddamn right. Who's playing? Who's playing Baby? Are you hungry? I'm so hungry. Do you think that we should get something to eat. Do you have any cameras nearby? I do, ahhhhhhhhh. Well, that's over with.
