B E Z Podcast
.As fate would have it, three friends, Bucky(Chris) Earl(Eric) , and Zack, reunited years after parting ways and found solace in each other's company once again. Having grown up in a tight-knit community in Texas, they had shared countless memories and adventures, but life had taken them down different paths. However, a shared struggle to cope with the challenges of adulthood sparked an idea - they would merge their passions and experiences to create a podcast, "The B E Z Podcast ," where they would offer honest and relatable discussions on navigating life's trials and tribulations, ultimately providing a sense of comfort and community to their listeners.
B E Z Podcast
E-7-When the Devil Whispers, God Speaks Louder
Three friends meet in an abandoned hospital to have the conversation most men never have. Raw, unfiltered, and at times deeply spiritual, this episode dives into territories often considered off-limits in male friendships.
What begins as a casual chat quickly transforms into something profound as the hosts share their experiences with grief, addiction, and spiritual warfare. One recounts waking at 3 AM questioning whether to continue living after unimaginable loss. Another describes his battles with substance abuse and the path toward healing. Throughout it all runs a current of faith – tested, questioned, but ultimately providing a lifeline when nothing else remains.
The conversation explores masculinity's double-bind: society expects men to be stoic yet vulnerable, strong yet sensitive. This contradiction creates pressure that manifests in addiction, depression, and alarming suicide rates. As one host observes, "they say rub dirt on it... be tough and rugged," while simultaneously demanding emotional intelligence that many men were never taught to develop.
Most powerful are the moments of raw honesty about spiritual struggles. After losing his daughters in an accident, one host confesses his anger toward God while still maintaining his faith – a complex position rarely acknowledged in religious discussions. "The only time I'm not mad about those situations is when I'm talking about God," he reveals, illuminating how healing often happens in paradox.
What makes this episode special isn't expertise or polished advice, but authenticity. These are friends creating space for conversations most men never have, proving that sometimes the most powerful thing we can offer each other is simply listening without judgment.
Join us for this journey into the heart of male friendship, faith, and finding reasons to keep breathing when the darkness feels overwhelming.
And with those baby blue eyes and that smile that's mine. This year, well, she turned three. You better grab a hold of something. Hold something, grab a hold of you and don't ask a question if you can't take the truth, cause it might be a reflection of you. I said it might be a reflection Of you.
Bucky:Alright, coming to you live from the old, abandoned Chillicothe Hospital, chillicothe, texas. This is the B to the E to the Z and that is Be Easy, be easy, baby. That's what we're here for.
Earl:Where we're at.
Bucky:Okay, so we're back. So we don't know what episode we're on, but we still don't know what we're doing. Three or four, we still don't even have a name.
Zack:BEZ was pretty cool. You know, be easy, that's pretty cool.
Earl:I don't know that's catchy. I got that somebody knocking on it.
Zack:That's pretty catchy bro.
Bucky:That was pretty catchy. I was like what?
Zack:Yeah, all right, stop.
Bucky:Collaborate and listen. Reasons to breathe Well, that's why we started this, yeah.
Earl:I know it was the first. It was said Be easy.
Zack:Be easy Reasons to breathe.
Bucky:Very nice hey.
Earl:Breezy Boyd.
Bucky:Yeah, I don't think it has to be just be easy, be easy. Reasons to breathe that's pretty catchy. Be easy. I don't think it has to be just B-E-Z, b-e-z, that's pretty catchy.
Zack:B-E-Z reasons to breathe.
Bucky:But yeah, branding We've got to make sure that we have something easy to brand.
Zack:B-E-Z is pretty easy. That's pretty easy right there, bro, and you can catch us every Tuesday afternoon at 5 o'clock at Love's Steakhouse.
Bucky:Eating your finest.
Earl:Today's Tuesday? Ain't it Tuesday afternoon at 5 o'clock?
Zack:at Love's Steakhouse Eating your finest appetizers. Joe, yeah, I say it's Monday, awesome Steaks the place. You can't beat their meat.
Earl:I don't know how to do it. Wow, is that applause or rain.
Zack:It's an applause, but it's just so loud you can't tell.
Bucky:I thought I could turn that down.
Zack:I thought it was raining. Well, these things will make you go deaf. I promise you That'll lose your hearing right there.
Earl:That's that real loud thing, that was real loud, really Hell yeah, what if that was mine? It was just like that, yeah, but you already have hearing problems.
Bucky:Okay, so Trying not to get. Okay yeah, so yeah, I had somebody say something today about how hard it was to be a basically just to be a man these days. The struggles, it's a pretty good song too.
Earl:What like modern Me.
Bucky:Too, stuff. Well, that's why a lot of music was made because of the struggles of man.
Zack:Have you seen the video? To Be a man? No Be a man.
Bucky:Oh, it's badass, I've got to look at that. Be a man. Yo, it's badass, I've got to look at that. Be a man. It's like super awesome, the dude's badass, who's thing's that?
Zack:I'm just going to look it up for you.
Bucky:Okay, yeah, yeah, we should have the phone. So yeah, it's just because, like we talked about before, about growing up, you know, being a man Rub dirt on it yeah. You're supposed to be tough and rugged and we are.
Earl:I mean, but in different. Well, I don't know.
Earl:People expect you to be that Sometimes we're cut off.
Bucky:Okay, yeah, cut off yeah.
Zack:I used to say you know we're not going to say any names here, but I used to say, you know, their heart didn't pump blood. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, we kind of numb ourselves to things we want to numb ourselves to that goes back to how something becomes an addiction.
Bucky:You're right, she's addicted. Yeah, oh yeah, women are very addicted. I mean definitely some more than others well, there's some better than others.
Zack:You know some, some are addicted to, to the violence I mean. Some are addicted to.
Earl:That's right, there's different things to be addicted to. You could be addicted to anything.
Bucky:Anything that consumes a lot of time.
Earl:Girls a lot of times are addicted. What'd?
Earl:you say they're addicted to Anything you do in abundance.
Bucky:Abundance yeah.
Earl:Well.
Bucky:If you overdo anything, it's probably.
Earl:And it can't. It could be like drama.
Zack:Okay, so this is Just to see, oh.
Zack Flynn:I just hope I can explain what it's like to be a man.
Bucky:Oh, I have heard that song. It's a lonely.
Zack Flynn:Yeah, I have heard that Kind of fits, and they don't care about what you know.
Bucky:Maybe that's why everybody's going soft.
Zack Flynn:It's not about how you feel. It's not about that.
Earl:Snowflakes are soft. Well, they're easily offended, or they're soft, they're like not taking it well he's talking about the.
Zack:There's such a high rate of suicide in men.
Bucky:Ah yeah I that's, and I I don't know. I know we can find plenty of people that we could talk to that, about that and how they dealt with it, or if they did it's a common yeah, I know some people right now that it's a fatal side effect. I know a couple people that it happened to recently. Not real well, but yeah, well enough.
Zack:So I mean just to be honest with you. Last night I woke up about 3 o'clock, which I'm almost always 3.33?.
Zack:I'm almost always awake between 3 and 4. 3.33. But I went to the bathroom and used the bathroom and just sat there for a second smoking a cigarette and it just in my head, just popped in my head why keep going? What's left? You know what I'm saying, so I understand that's PTSD part of it. You know you'd be sitting there and you smoke a cigarette Next thing, you know you see flashes of the wreck and shit. And so then you start telling yourself you know what is there to look forward to.
Earl:Yeah, Well, there's kind of an ocd thing there, right, it just happens. If you can't help it, it's obsessive, it happens. Yeah, oh, yeah, regularly, uh, but you gotta careful about the compulsive part. There is a compulsive nature to that With the PTSD, right, you know.
Zack:I've had everything to bring tonight, but I just didn't bring it because I really didn't want to get on this subject. So much. But everything that I do on a nightly basis, dude, I do the same thing. I have stacks of drawings, dude, that are probably and it's just their names over and over, I don't know.
Bucky:That was OCD, but that's what you're doing to help. It's a different focus. Deal with that.
Zack:It takes my mind.
Bucky:It's just I don't know yeah it's kind of Well, it's good, it makes ADD and OCD. It's better than playing Russian roulette or something like that you know, but yeah yeah, but uh, uh, yeah, it's that. That's the thing with the addictions is how you deal with them yeah, well yeah and how well you know what the same thing.
Earl:you know what there's something thing. You know what there's something about both. Just anything that you're about, or addictions, and it's about yourself, and you know what it is. It's acceptance. You've got to accept Everything about it. You've just got to accept shit. Sometimes I don't want to.
Bucky:You've got to accept things about yourself.
Earl:That's right. You don't want to you gotta accept things about yourself. That's right. You don't want to, you don't accept things about yourself with each individual little aspect. I don't expect except you want to accept reality. Yeah, there's, there's a lot of. That's what you know. Acceptance is a key right on different levels, I mean, but I mean I.
Zack:The thing is that is, I'm smart enough to know that everything I'm doing is well, you know, is what I'm doing.
Bucky:A distraction.
Zack:It's like. I know I need to accept it's a little thing. I know I need to move on. There's no such thing.
Bucky:I know.
Zack:I know I need to probably talk to somebody besides myself.
Earl:You know what I'm saying that's one of the reasons why we're here. Ain't nothing going to fix it Right now, like you said, yeah, sharon, that day, like, does it get better? No, no, probably becomes any kind of grief comes in waves. Yes, it'll get new again.
Zack:That's what the PTSD is. Then you have the resentments that flow in on your brain, the doubt, your regrets and guilt. Yeah, all that, that's the deal.
Earl:What you could have done, what I should have done. Those creep in, how do you let them?
Zack:take hold, creeps in like this chair, yeah you know, we stayed out there at the farm. I did it on purpose. I didn't get a house in town because I took care of a person here in town and I thought, wow, going to buy a house when that's what's supposed to be coming up. But in doing so, my kids should have stayed. In my head, you know my kids, which they would have never complained, they had nothing to complain about, they loved the farm, but in my head it was not good enough. No, shit, no, and that's a huge resentment.
Zack:You know, Then, finally, you know, I see the light of day and I get the house that I'm in now. They never spent not one single night in it.
Bucky:Yeah, that's crazy. Like I say, we try to do for our family. We try to give them things, maybe that we didn't have, or maybe things that we wanted.
Zack:It's what you're supposed to. Yeah, as a father, you only want to give your kids better than what you had Better than what you had Exactly.
Bucky:Sometimes, no matter what you do, you don't think it's good enough.
Earl:Right, we live in a tough time, for that.
Bucky:You look at your buddy or somebody you know, maybe somebody you don't like, and they're doing better man. Or somebody you know, maybe somebody you don't like and they're doing better man. They're doing all this stuff, that's all it is. Their kids look like they're just happy and flourishing and got everything they ever wanted. And you think I want to be like them, Because, as a man, that's what you want. Or you compare yourself to it.
Earl:However, you compete with it.
Bucky:It's a man thing. I mean it's a man thing. I mean it says, it says it's a it's a father thing.
Zack:It's. I mean, that's what it is you always want. You don't want anybody to be, you don't want anyone's kids to be better off than your kids, and it's just, it's just like with with a truck or a vehicle like as a man.
Bucky:You want the shiniest rims, biggest tires right, most jacked up truck. Like, as men, we try to outdo you. I want, I want mine to be just a little bit taller than you.
Earl:Yeah, try to outdo, I want mine shinier than yours, earl, I know yeah, well, I may not be the shiniest, I'm into the outdoing, I mean that is?
Bucky:is that is that taught to us?
Earl:no, it's, it's a competitive nature there's a competitive society yeah, for sure society don't help.
Bucky:I mean, it's the same thing with when you get on social media and facebook keeping up with the joneses you see all these videos.
Earl:It's a competitive nature. Uh, I'm gonna do more.
Bucky:I'm gonna get more I'm gonna men and women showing off their perfect bodies and and uh, you know trying to say that that's the way you're supposed to look. And of course, that brings a whole other chapter to addictions.
Earl:It gives certain people absolutely.
Zack:It gives both to both types, to the type that is overweight and out of shape, and they start focusing on that.
Earl:They have categories. You know, are you stuck in one? And they start focusing on that. They have categories, are you?
Zack:stuck in one. You know it's everything. Our society as a whole is pretty messed up. Oh yeah, I mean especially now because you know we'd have never thought, as when we were in school, to having, you know, gender-friendly bathrooms and whatever you know, yeah.
Earl:That's the problem of the day, but it's always been messed up.
Zack:That's the world here's the problem of the day, but it's always been messed up. That's the world, here's the deal. There's a fine line of tote on that, you know, because you know I'm not prejudiced to any race, color, sexuality. You know, I'm really not. But do I believe that there should be male turned into females in sports in schools?
Bucky:No, absolutely not. Or want them in the bathrooms with your family. Yeah, going to the women's bathroom and to me it's no obvious.
Earl:I don't know, I don't know it's. To me it is, but it's controversial to society right now.
Earl:I mean it's the problem of the day it's the problem of the day no, there's no problems.
Zack Flynn:Oh right, how about how it's gotten out?
Earl:it's bad, oh yeah, you just can't foresee the problems of today and what they'll be tomorrow uh, there's been.
Bucky:It'll be a prejudice against something else.
Earl:At least it's not slavery, or you know, there's been right, there's racism. Now it's like the echoes of slavery it could be taxation without representation.
Zack:Maybe it's turning around there's been reasons to do a lot of things. I mean swapping sides, you know for what? Uh, racism, you know it's just going to be, it's good, it's crazy, it's crazy, it's just like you know.
Earl:Yeah, times are it's a more modern thing. Last the last 20, 30, 100 years.
Bucky:Well, because in the past 10 years dramatically the population of our country is changing Absolutely 100%, because you know I'm not really political and I don't keep up with all the stuff going on. But you know what I have here and read about at the border is pretty alarming. Oh, ridiculous Current. All the people come in. Yeah, trying to keep up too many current events.
Zack:Two months ago, last month, they had 30,000 men of military age, all these Chinese, like 8,000 or 10,000 Chinese guys, and all these countries that are communist, and there was no females, no kids, and they were all of age military age. Yeah.
Bucky:They're coming in slowly just to get us going.
Zack:Well, just think about it, man, you already got 30,000 people here.
Earl:Man, there was some time back they were coming in, and then you have the Eastern Europeans.
Bucky:Hey, you have all these men now that are women in the country.
Zack:Hey, where do you think these Chinese illegal immigrants?
Earl:are going.
Zack:They're going to up in Oklahoma where the land that they bought the Chinese people have bought.
Bucky:Yeah, I've read about that and that's where they're staying. But I did see that some I read this and this is a true story. It might be in this book right here. Some states are now making it where you cannot sell, cannot sell land that's good to to foreign right yeah, that's waiting. It should be now, but there's ways around that.
Zack:But I mean I mean, I'm talking mass amounts. Yes, I know what you're talking about like I believe that no, we should not sell mass amounts of farmland to anybody, because we need that shit.
Bucky:There ought to be that shit on a lot they did so there is laws against that now, so, but anyway, that's a whole nother. How did we get on the border wall?
Zack:That was you, Chris.
Bucky:Current events, but the thing is it all, it's it all, but our country is changing. We were talking about racism. Our lives are changing.
Earl:Talk about the world, the them, our lives are changing. Uh, the world I talk about. The world talking about. Hey, that's you know talking about going back you know, go back to the bible. I read every day um the world man, the world of god. You know, the world man. That's what it's about. It's about our system. Yeah, they tell you to believe, you know if?
Zack:we just go by the law and everything, but the law is a man I mean, if we want to get figured by the threats that the bible tells us, that's already occurred. Yeah, the million man army, the, uh, when currency becomes one and worked, you know, under one prophecy already fulfilled there's no that's old there's old prophecy fulfilled.
Earl:They were prophesying the coming of jesus and stuff and it came true, surviving the same people.
Zack:They prophesied stuff you're talking about we're we're we kind of we kind of jumping subjects here, but I know, yeah, but we're gonna have to put, do a show completely dedicated to that, for sure, yeah you're not wrong though yeah, you're right on for real the world to me that's.
Earl:Hey, I'll tell you what it comes into me daily to make the distinction between who thought this shit up. That's the whole reason thought this up or did?
Zack:is this the way the I mean that's the whole reason that I wanted to start a podcast anyway a long time ago. I mean because a friend of mine said you know what you ought to start one about. You know religion, you know hey it's hard for me to keep it out.
Bucky:Get this shit Anymore. You probably remember this. You remember Channel 2. That used to be here in town.
Earl:Yeah, absolutely Okay. So I was talking, Isn't that still?
Bucky:here. Well, I don't know.
Zack:It was not long ago. We're talking that satellite Two, three, no, that satellite's been gone for 15 or so. I was talking to my mom.
Earl:I think he's making VHS tapes still, Zach.
Bucky:And she said it's recording every service that back in the day that her, your mom and Darla Sherman made a weekly Bible study that they played on Channel 2. I think so. Yes, ask your mom about it. My grandmother hey maybe we could get them on to talk about that. Even called Darla, but you know what my mom told me what she said you're just carrying on something we started.
Earl:Family tradition.
Zack:I was like I mean really, that's well, we should come up with the country, because the cookbook are just country cousins again, completely no, well, the kkk.
Earl:The country, that was the shit bro. Country cousins was the shit bro I've watched.
Bucky:You know there's videos of that. I would love to see one.
Zack:I bet you, james Graham's, got one.
Bucky:Gloria Graham, I'm gonna ask her. Yeah, you know what?
Earl:oh, probably so. I bet there's something around.
Bucky:I always thought that was like coolest thing ever to go watch that? Yeah, of course I watched practice and all right, because my mom just brought me with her.
Zack:You know they used to call our mothers Bible thumpers.
Bucky:She told me a little bit about that.
Zack:Yeah.
Bucky:What's that. Bible thumpers yeah.
Earl:Pushing religion on you.
Zack:But I grew up with my mom sitting beside me at nighttime reading the Bible. So I mean that's the good. I couldn't thank my mom, chris Love's mom, susan Hopkins, you know God rest her soul. Lou DeGann, you know I couldn't thank them people more because then, you know, I wouldn't know God like I know Glenda Hall, I wouldn't know God like I know and wouldn't have known God like they do.
Bucky:There you go, there you go.
Zack:So we may have to have them on and talk about that Shit. I'm down for it, Because that was like a podcast before the podcast man.
Bucky:When I was a kid I used to think Darla Sherman was hot hey you think it?
Zack:No, right, no, you think it, and she had a twin.
Earl:Yeah, that's what I thought was hotter, by the way.
Bucky:Who Richard Her husband?
Earl:Oh man, the sister's husband looked just like Pete Rose bro. I don't know if I remember him.
Bucky:No, yeah, but anyway, yeah, that was a. She told me that she's like Mike. That was a podcast before the podcast.
Earl:Well, it's an inspiration for the podcast the original.
Zack Flynn:Right, oh geez.
Bucky:I didn't even tell her anything about it just not that long ago. Oh, your mom's good people. She was telling me about some of the stuff she dealt with here in Chilicothe, so we're definitely going to have her on about that, absolutely. She still says people.
Earl:In Chilicothe or a lot of places.
Bucky:See her and just.
Earl:Well, yeah, okay, she still sees, still give her a lot of places see her. And just well, yeah, okay, she still give her a hard time, people, she's still saying, because she was so religious they don't say shit, but man, that's just how you know what I mean.
Bucky:Look at you funny.
Zack:Yeah, there you go let me find out who that is you know, that's what matters, I mean, but it does to me. You know it's it shouldn't, it should matter. But you know, when it comes to your mom, your mom it doesn't matter if it's your mom, your mom or my mom, If somebody messes with our mothers. They're in trouble. I swear to God, some of them are probably crazy.
Earl:Hey, I'll tell you a story. I was at United in Vernon so I worked over there and there was two or three managers there or whatever. And I mean sometimes you deal with bullshit, like some dude talks to a girl, that's a high school girl, that's you know sack, or something not, and they come in, say hey, that dude was creepy, he asked for my number or something or try to give me this, and you have to go out like hey, dude, hey, you can't do that shit no more. Just if you still want to come here, don't do that shit no more, or we'll have to call the cops and have you, I can have you. You banned, don't make me you know, shit like that. Anyway, so one day, broad daylight, regular weekday, and my mom's in there, she comes, you know, like once a week when I was in Vernon easy, and says this dude creeped me out. He comes up behind me and says you know, it was a pleasure walking in behind you ma'am Wow.
Earl:Yeah, walking in behind you, ma'am, and all you know. Wow, yeah, so that's your mom. Yeah, so I have to say something. Yeah, I and I do. Yeah, I'm a little more mad than I would just be like, dude, you can't do that. I'm like, hey, did you say something to a lady on the way in here? Yeah, I had to say I was like you know, you can't do that and I was fucking pissed. It's like you can't do that anymore and you're like do you ever think that might be something? I've got three daughters.
Zack:You know what that was my mom, but his look changed I mean, let me throw this in but let me throw this in on top of what you're saying now. Think about this what do you think mr bird would have done?
Earl:he, might have been hotter, you think so?
Zack:Or do you think well, that's what I've been thinking for years. You know, I don't know what my dad would do. My dad would say well, you know, hey. Yeah, some people take it more personal than others and it was already something like somebody comes to you and takes it.
Earl:You know what, when you're in the store, you're already going to take a complaint and people expect you to do something, but your mom said it creeped her out. That's when she came. Like I said yes, there was more to it. Like I said, it was already.
Zack:There was more to it. She should have laughed it off. She said you should have heard what he said, Then it would have been different and it was a creepy little old dude.
Bucky:So we may have our moms on at some point too, that's cool yeah, for different reasons. I don't think they discuss our addictions?
Earl:Maybe not that.
Zack:I mean, I've heard it all my mom. She didn't bite her tongue about when it came to addictions. She's like you know if you got a little more sleep, or you know yeah she'll tell you straight up she has stories too. I mean, these are for entertainment purposes only only only yeah, yeah, some stories that I don't know.
Earl:They remember shit you don't or I don't know a different way making the bible study deal.
Bucky:I kind of do, but I was you had to be.
Zack:You remember all the bible studies and stuff we did with andy hurst, right, yeah, and kent. What was his name? Kent or Ken? The guy that lived over there in my grandpa, our house which is across the tracks which he, my grandpa, gave to the Perez's.
Bucky:The two story with the basement remember he stayed in the basement yeah, ken the big dude, he was a big, he was the youth minister, big dude, yeah, that was right before Andy Hurst, I believe, which Andy Hurst changed Chillicothe.
Zack:Yeah, he did. I mean he did, he brought a bunch of kids in. He brought.
Bucky:He did it with basketball.
Zack:Yeah, and football no, he did.
Bucky:Like he got us together and he'd play, like we'd play. He'd be right there in the middle, oh, and he was a good athlete. He was damn good, oh he got and we played at the church a lot. Oh yeah, that's how he got us together.
Zack:Oh man, I remember we were in.
Bucky:Remember when we went to Colorado Springs, mm-hmm, colorado City, I don't remember where One of the two I just remember it was badass we went white, we went Whitewater rafting.
Zack:Was that me? Was that us that jumped in at the end? It so cold. We begged the whole time dude, and we were stunned for like 40 yards, bro, like this Frozen.
Bucky:He said I told you you don't want to jump in so cold man. Oh, but it was hot outside, though.
Zack:That was a good time, it was fun, it was very fun, but we were playing football. Remember, we were playing football out there, and I can't remember exactly who it was Craig Tidmore one of the big kids, craig, was there.
Bucky:I do remember that.
Zack:And he lined up across from me. We were just, you know, doing flag and he came up and he hit me and knocked me up off my feet onto my back and Andy Hurst liked to have lost it. Oh oh, he lined. He grabbed Craig and lined him back up, bro. He said now do that to me oh yeah, yeah, he was very upset. Of course you know me and Andy have been friends for a long time.
Bucky:We still are.
Zack:Andy was cool as hell.
Bucky:I always loved him.
Zack:Yeah, you know, Andy was the preacher that I was telling you about.
Bucky:Yeah, I know that's the first time I'd seen him at the funeral.
Zack:You know what? And I wrote a prayer down for him because he said he he was going to officiate it but he had to be in Louisiana. So he flew back and came in right then, I didn't know that. But I wrote a prayer down for him to say and I never gave it to him and what he said was just damn near exactly what I was going to say anyway.
Zack:The point of the whole thing was the whole reason that I wanted everyone there like it was was because if we could get, or if this accident could get just one kid or one parent to start talking to their kids about God and you get one person to believe, it could be a domino effect or just save that one person. So that was the whole point of the service. That's what the whole point was about. And there was like 2 000 people there. Yeah, there was. I had guest books right signing books, two full signing books. So how many pages are in signing books? There was over 1500 people for sure. Yeah, it was crazy. Did you go you?
Zack:were there were you there? Yeah, no, there's a bunch of people that didn't go a bit that I I thought I'd see
Bucky:yeah, you're right, a lot of people didn't a lot of people couldn't take that like I said, we started from the very first. It's how you deal with things. Sometimes we don't deal with things.
Zack:But yeah, it was a be easy ride.
Bucky:I'm just telling you Fishing rod.
Zack:There's all sorts of things that could go with it, you know we have kind of we are, so we jump from topic to topic.
Bucky:That's why you got to edit, nah, I don't even know about editing. I don't know either. Maybe some names here and there.
Zack:Oh yeah, Maybe not. We started this about addictions and now we're on to God, but it's all intertwined. It is all Exactly.
Earl:If you have an addiction.
Bucky:You better find God. Yeah you're right, because God don't, he's not in control of them addictions. Oh, no, no, no. So if you don't find him, bro, you're going down the dark, dark path. Remember the path, bro? You wasn't here that day. Me and Zach talked about the path and how God leads us down the path, the brick, nice, lighted path.
Bucky:But there's always another path that goes off to the side that's dark and you don't see it that way but yeah, you know, it's like that book that you know you don't see it because you're like what's down that path, like you're just curious, as we're curious people probably so everybody, you know some people.
Zack:One of the most aggravating things that I've heard, and I've always felt this way, is that, okay, so my girl's got in a wreck and they both died. Is someone to come up to me and say that was God's will? That's such bullshit. That's not God's will at all, that God did not intend. God did not want them to die. But the thing is, god knows your beginning and your ending date. Yes, we know this, and he did all sorts of things months in advance to help us with what was going to happen, and I'll tell you that later. But uh, but the thing is is, is not? You know? They say god giveth and god taketh away. That's bullshit. God giveth and the devil taketh away, or you throw it away, but uh, it's. There's no such thing. God gives you your own mind to make decisions of whether or not you want to believe in him, the path you want to take and what you want to do. He gives you your own will, and everything that we choose in our life leads to the end of our story.
Bucky:Yes, so it's like that he knows your end.
Zack:It's like the book back in the day. You know, we used to have books in school that we could read and it had four or five different endings. You just had to pick one. You remember those.
Earl:There's some point before you get to the end and that's what it is, bro.
Zack:God gives you your own will and he gives you paths you can take. You choose which path you want to take. It could be the dark one, it could be the bright one.
Earl:Or it could be in between.
Earl:You don't know. You're arrogant to think you know God's will for you, whatever it is for those you thought.
Bucky:Well, the key is to stay on the path, the righteous path.
Earl:The right path. That's what's hard. That's what's hard. No, the righteous path is what it's more than hard. What's the path of the righteous man? I could look that up. I know what that is, but it's beset on what I wrote, a. You know what? The passage, ezekiel. Look that up, it's beset on what is it who does evil? Evil in the world is what. Who is it from?
Earl:You know what evil is.
Earl:No, what is evil?
Zack:Evil, evil is.
Earl:Only done by man.
Zack:Not only done by man.
Earl:It's influenced. Who does evil?
Zack:It's not only done by man. Animals do evil. Do what Do animals have the intent to do? Evil, certainly.
Earl:I don't know. It's like a rabid dog.
Zack:Yeah, what the intent.
Earl:You're not entirely. I think I know it's their instinct.
Zack:Yes, but I think people have that intent.
Earl:There's like malignance or neglect.
Bucky:Intent and neglect are two different things, you think. When they're hunting people, they're like I just want to kill them.
Zack:They're like I just want to kill them. They just want to kill them, or I'm hungry. No, they just want to kill them, absolutely.
Earl:I don't know.
Zack:There are times.
Earl:Really.
Earl:You're right, there are times animals do, so that's evil.
Zack:Okay, so here's the deal. I don't know. You know, here's the thing right here. I wouldn't claim that. The devil can use anything that he wants.
Earl:Sure, you're right, the devil okay, Animals yeah.
Zack:So the devil? People picture the devil as this ugly dude with horns on his head. You know red and bullshit like that, no, but Beelzebub, you know the devil.
Earl:He was the most beautiful angel. He was the angel of music.
Zack:He was vain because he was the most beautiful angel. He supposedly had pipes protruding from his body that played music. But here's the deal when he comes to you people, here's what y'all need to know. Everyone needs to know this. When he comes to you, he comes to you as what they say is the angel of light, which means whatever that you need in that second is what he's going to appear to be. And don't let him confuse you, because, okay, there's a story about one of the most famous preachers. I'm going to leave names out of it.
Zack:The guy that got him started into preaching was obviously a badass, because this is one of the most famous people there is, and he had gotten cancer and was taking radiation treatment back in the day and he thought to himself right after preaching. One day he said I need to go and see this guy because I need to check up on him and see how he's doing. So he does, and when he gets there, he asked him how he's doing. He said oh, I'm doing great. He said how's your treatments coming? He said I'm not taking treatments, no more. He said why? He said well, you know, a week ago not in a dream, but a week ago, god sent an angel and visited me and told me that I don't need to be taking my treatments. I have brought enough souls to the Lord that God is ready for me to be by his side. So just go ahead and stop taking my treatments and just let you know. Nature take effect.
Zack:And the guy said immediately he said are you stupid? He said you know, you're the one that taught me. You know that the devil will come to you as anything. You need the angel of light. So do you really think that was an angel sitting at the foot of your bed telling you to go ahead and die, yeah, or do you think that was the devil? Because the devil sees anything of value he wants. You know it's a whole we can start talking about the story of Job and all that good stuff.
Zack:You know that's the war between worlds. You know That's— the war between worlds. You know I've been between two worlds. That's the best part of the. You know, job, god and the sons of God are sitting there waiting for Beelzebub to get back from wherever he's at and when he walks in. Basically, this is how I see it in my head. You know, when he walks in, god looks at him and says when have you been? He said I've been between two worlds trying to destroy man, so evil is everywhere.
Zack:It's in the world of man. The devil will do anything it takes. If he sees value to God in you, he will try to destroy you.
Bucky:So, now that we're doing this podcast and we're trying to help people, whether that be emotionally, spiritually, physically I don't know if we can help people physically, you're right. I mean, I don't know the things that destroy people.
Earl:Like you said, addiction, those things that destroy people loss yeah trauma trauma, addiction, all that destroys people destroys you
Zack:yeah, destroys people it does from the inside out. Yeah, yeah and you better believe that he's going to jump on your shoulder when you have a loss like mine, when he's not going to let up but also when, when he gets you to your lowest point, he thinks he's got you, but then when you get to a good point that's when he really is like okay, I've got to knock him down.
Zack:You know, I've discovered that I don't know that I've reached my lowest point yet. Well, maybe not, maybe not, I hope not Because, man, if I started telling the story that's a whole other show man, but it's very important for me to tell that. Oh, that's going to get there, but yes, yes. But the devil jumps on you. I don't think you're ready for that yet. And he stays on you and he whispers in your ear hey, man, she's hot, or hey, you ought to hire her.
Zack:She's hot, you know, you know what I'm saying or, or you know, or to me, you know, or it's the same thing. Oh man, man, don't you think that you should? Just you know, if you did some drugs, you might just be able to forget all this you know it's.
Bucky:Yeah, you drink that whole bottle of vodka.
Zack:Oh, he's remember he's almost got me there.
Bucky:You know, I mean I'm not lying to you, but I mean hey, he uses whatever you will, and that's the thing that day. I had to tell him.
Zack:last night, you got to do it again the next day and that's why I started when I started earlier, when I said I sit there about three o'clock in the morning and I was sitting there thinking why keep going and sit there? And I started to cry. Of course you know which. That's a normal thing. I cry all the time now. But I sit there and I turned and looked at myself in the mirror and I said to myself you know what Devil? Get away from me. You're not welcome in my house.
Zack:I am the son of God. You know I am one of his children. You have no power over me and I've said this same thing for years. You know, if I'm in a situation where I feel like it's out of control and I need it to be gone, I mean you can make it go away. You can make the things in your house stop making noise. You know you can make the things, the shadows you see, the things you hear. There's lots of power that God gives you that you don't know about, probably. You know, if you tell them to leave, they have to leave and people don't believe that.
Zack:And I can tell you stories where a good friend of mine, roger Smithson he don't care if I use his name or not, he said when I first went over there. He said man, I'm going to warn you. He said man, weird things happen around here, he said, especially at 333. I said you know what? That is right. He said well, what's that? He said. I said that's the witching hour, bro. He's like what I was like. Yeah, man. He said man, he's had pictures. Pictures used to slide out of the frame and land and stay stood up, and one was a picture of his friend that committed suicide and he used to hear things. And he told me about this. We started a band, we were playing music and one night, dude, it was late, bro, and it sounded like somebody. You think I kidding?
Zack:I'm not kidding, I'm not laughing, but I know, I'm just saying yeah hey man, it sounded like somebody took a boat chain, bro, and threw it over the top of that house then started to pull it off. I mean talking, the floor moving, bro. You think I'm joking, I'm not. And I'd immediately. I immediately turned and looked at the clock and it was 333. And I told him, I said, roger, you can make this stop. And I told him what to do and what to say, what to pray and what to tell Make them leave. But let me warn you, if you open that door again, they come back sevenfold, seven times stronger than they were. So say, if there's one, you kick him out. Next time you open that door, seven, okay, then you kick them out next time you open that door. Seven, what's seven times seven? What's seven times 49, 500? And what? 521, five, whatever it is. What is seven times that? Yeah, that's only four times. See what I'm saying.
Zack:So people like us that all our lives we've been around religion and we know this and I've kicked many out. So we're at, they're coming like in groves, bro, you're right. So they don't like us as it is. They don't like our parents. Uh, I don't know. This is how I believe and to me this is the only way there is. So I'm sorry if you have different beliefs, but uh, man, the devil is dangerous, bro, and the best thing that he's ever done is make people believe that he does not exist, because if he he doesn't exist, then God doesn't exist. Yeah Right, I mean you got the show Lucifer, where he's good looking and he's really cool and he's trying to make himself better. That's bullshit.
Earl:Yeah.
Zack:You know the devil wants his name yelled high up mountain, just like they yell God's name.
Bucky:Yeah, that's where we're at right now. We're trying to take God out of everything we do. They took over our schools.
Earl:They took over that's why this society will crash.
Zack Flynn:That's why we're going down.
Earl:That's why, even after that, I don't know.
Zack:I mean, that's why addictions are worse.
Earl:I mean it's getting down. Well, it's not like there's more of them.
Bucky:People are worse, like maybe there is.
Earl:That's why people are worse because, just think about you know.
Zack:You hear about the kids. You hear about the kid that escaped after being held underneath the bed for like 18 years, or in a hole in the house, and just think about that once you think about this. That's just the ones you heard of.
Earl:Imagine how many there really are they uh, today on the news there was something about in chicago, no, in chic. They went in this house where they found somebody that died, an old man, and they started finding all this other shit in his basement once he died and he was like a weirdo. That was to himself and suspicious.
Zack:He'd been collecting folks in the basement. A couple years ago, that girl was literally held underneath a bed for 18 years.
Earl:Yeah.
Bucky:And she finally escaped. That's just crazy. Underneath a bed for 18 years, yeah, and she finally escaped.
Zack:That's just crazy. Under the bed, bro, not under, like. I'm not talking about in the basement under the bed, I'm talking about under the bed bro.
Bucky:People are. Hey, yeah, people are crazy too, and that's you know. Sometimes men will, maybe they don't know what they're doing. I don't know.
Zack:And that's why do you think God cleansed the world once already?
Earl:Yeah, like I said, that's society. Hey, there's still like a. Okay, this is where we go. There was a whatever. There's been societies before.
Zack:Yeah absolutely hey, just because you're talking about, because the.
Earl:Bible says God made.
Zack:Adam Okay. Because the Bible says God made Adam okay does not mean that he was the first thing that God made. It said God made Adam as in likeness of himself. Okay, we already know just by reading the Bible. When Cain killed Abel, he told Cain to go to the land of Nod. And you will survive there, you will prosper, but if you stay here you'll die. There was already people there, bro.
Earl:And.
Bucky:Cain was one of.
Zack:Adam's kids, bro. So you see what I'm saying.
Earl:Yeah, there was other people there was already other people here.
Zack:There was the seven ancient wonders of the world, you better believe were made by the Nephilim, which the Nehaba Elohim, you know, the watchers, that is, the angels that got cast to the face of the earth. All the seven ancient wonders of the world the statue of Zeus over the bay, the lighthouse, all the seven ancient wonders you better believe those were built by angels that were cast to the face of the earth. Greek mythology, they call it mythology, but people back then didn't have news, they didn't have radio, they didn't have radio, they didn't have comic books, facebook. What they believed in is because that was seen, they saw that. So you better believe that Greek mythology holds true, not all of it, but parts of it. You better believe they worshiped those people because they saw that. They didn't just make it up because they needed somebody to worship.
Earl:Right believe they worshipped those people because they saw that they didn't just make it up because they needed somebody to worship. Yeah, there's stories that carried on before written language. People told these stories before they ever wrote them down. The Zeuses, the.
Zack:Poseidons, all that. You better believe that they existed at one point in time, and that's the ones that is going to be either the Nephilim. That's going to be the Genesis chapter verse 6. I'm pretty sure that's what it is. It says that the Nehobah, elohim, could not resist the daughters of the sons of man. Therefore, they went into them, and what came from that were the great warriors of old, that's your Hercules, that's all the giants that walked the earth. They were offspring of angels and females, because god gave them the domain so they could marry anybody they wanted. You know, they said that's it's. It's a deep story, yeah yeah, there's, you better believe.
Zack:Giants walked the face of the earth 2014. An 18-foot skeleton was found in seymour, texas. Man there was more giants than those yeah.
Earl:You were talking about watchers and things like that. The watchers, that's what they call the angels.
Zack:Angels and demons and things like that. They're chained to the face of the earth. They'll never die, so you better believe they're still here.
Earl:Yeah, you're right, there's times they're more seen than others. All of them are. Yeah, hey, you know what?
Earl:we're talking about and there's a final talking about.
Zack:The final thing is the light versus dark that's it like this what the war that's going on, it's good versus evil.
Earl:That's what it says.
Zack:There's light versus dark, but you know, it's a man I I believe, and the thing is I'm so mad at God but if I could start talking about God, I'd get excited. Yeah, but I'm still getting mad at God. That's the devil saying. Hey, you should be mad at God because this is what he did.
Bucky:Because you're actually showing some progress. That's what he did.
Earl:He dragged you back down.
Bucky:They want you to get back up there, closer to God.
Zack:I mean shit, the stuff that's happened where the girls had the wreck, then the guy, the hitchhiker we're getting over it. Then the hitchhiker decided he wanted to commit suicide. He goes and looks at the crosses and just steps out in front of a semi right there. You know, shit like that just don't happen. That's not coincidence, no, you believe that's coincidence. You're insane as the dude that stepped stepped out in front of the sun.
Bucky:He thought that was a good idea.
Zack Flynn:But you know, you know what it was.
Bucky:Life's pressures was on him. We don't know what they were, how bad they were, obviously.
Zack:You know, he was going to commit suicide and the devil said hey, I got a perfect place for you. I want you to walk 15 miles, or actually 10 miles, it's like then do it.
Earl:Snudge them off the curb. They're going to step out anyway. You're going to do it anyway. Let's just tell you where to do it this guy's getting a little too.
Zack:He's starting to make his way back up. There's too many things that he's seeing that you know. That goes back to the value of things that the devil wants. Who knows what God has in plan for you? Chris, you know, you, earl or me how do you get there? How do you get there? The plan may be so huge that we not even see it yet. You don't.
Earl:Yeah you don't see it usually.
Bucky:I feel it.
Zack:I felt it for years. I asked for him to give me a sign and he gave me a sign within 30 seconds. How many times in your life have you asked God for something and he answered immediately? Not ever, ever, very rare. I asked him to. I said just give me a sign, make a candle flicker and. And what happened? Right after I asked that, I was in church and what happened? But as soon as I said that, the telephone starts ringing behind me and I turn around and everybody's looking, everybody like whose phone's that?
Zack:and I said I said to myself. I said, no, god, that's just a coincidence. But I just said, just give me a sign, make the candles flicker. And I turned around and I looked and I just lit these candles because you know, it's the service of the Christmas Eve service and the top candle that represents Jesus was going. And then it just stopped. I mean that's what I asked for, yeah, but what did I do?
Earl:The nod. I didn't do what I asked for, yeah, but what did I do? Denied?
Zack:I didn't do what I was supposed to do. But I don't know exactly what that is, but I know what it is. I do that's what I'm saying.
Earl:You denied it, but I didn't do it.
Zack:You don't never, ever not listen to God when he tells you to do something. You do it.
Bucky:I feel like he tells me to do stuff. That maybe Because I've been praying for many years now to just lead me to where I need to be. That was my prayer. I didn't ask for specifics, I didn't ask for things. I just't ask for things. I just said, God, I'm lost and I need some direction. So lead me to where I need to be. Strengthen the wisdom.
Earl:Well, you need the strength to get there and the wisdom to know what it is.
Bucky:I'm where I'm at right now. This is where I'm at Right Now, phil.
Zack:He's led me to this abandoned hospital all back well, you don't see, like I don't see the things that our mamas were trying to do?
Earl:you don't see the path, you don't see the path.
Bucky:No, I didn't ask to see.
Earl:Yeah you don't see the path, I guess I should ask, say along the way, show me the path.
Zack:I don't know, know Do you already have the feeling of what it is right now, what it is that he's trying to get you to do.
Earl:Well, no.
Zack:No, but you feel you're on a path. Why'd you decide to do a podcast?
Bucky:To help my fellow brothers, okay.
Earl:We're never going to see the path we're on, you know.
Zack:I don't know that I believe in that why?
Earl:you're never gonna see the path we're on. It's always your path you're. Maybe that's me. I see a lot of other paths do.
Bucky:You don't see my own. You're supposed to go past that one do you know what you're supposed to be doing?
Zack:do you know what you're supposed to be? Doing feel it really do.
Bucky:You know, I'm not saying that you do it, but do you know what you should do?
Zack:I feel like I should be bringing people closer to yeah you're right, and that's a that's a big part of my life. I mean, even during my addiction, that's a bit was a big part of my life. I mean just saying I mean I've never stopped 100%, wholeheartedly believing God.
Bucky:Ultimately, I mean, that's what he tells us.
Zack:Yeah, ultimately, when the candles blew or was flickering, my brother said I told my brother about it. I said I got to tell you this on the way out. I told him. He said many are called. If you're chosen, You're right, you know what that means. Yeah, Many hear the calling.
Bucky:But they don't but few people are actually chosen for the calling.
Earl:That's easy numbers, Like that's easy numbers like we were talking about in the world. What do people believe and how many people live by?
Zack:that.
Bucky:That's why he chose.
Zack:Moses. You know he chose Moses for a reason.
Zack:Moses was a Jew that was found in the river when they were killing our firstborn by what they called, say, the Pharaoh's daughter, knowing that he could go and say hey, I want you to set my people free. And the pharaoh just wouldn't kill him because he was one of his daughter's kids, because they raised him as his own, so they knew he couldn't just do that, you know, and people argue about which pharaoh it was. You know, some people say it was the uh Ramsey's, the great Ramsey's, the second, some people say it's another one, but uh. But here's the thing. It happened. God chose him. God told him when he went to, when God went to him, he told him. He said hey, Moses, you're, you're supposed to be doing bigger things than what you're doing right now. He said this is what I want you to do. He said but I'm just a mere shepherd. He said I want you to take your staff, throw it on the ground. So he did. It became a snake and scared the shit out of him and he ran from it. He said I want you to pick it back up. He said no. He said I'm just a shepherd. He said no. He said I'm just a shepherd. He said pick it back up. So when he finally got the faith to pick it back up and he did it became a staff again, and that was one of the things that he told. When he went and told the Pharaoh to let his people go, he took his staff. He said I want you to take your staff After you tell him this. I want you to throw it in the middle of the floor. And when you throw it in the middle of the floor it's going to become a snake. So that's what he did. He threw that staff in the middle of the floor.
Zack:You know what the Pharaoh's priest did? He threw their staff in the middle of the floor too. Guess what they did? Turned to snakes too. You know they were already killing firstborn thousands of years before Jesus ever even got here. Yeah, because they knew the Messiah was coming. So the same people that told them that the Messiah was coming to kill all your firstborn is the same people that gave those priests the power to turn their staffs into snakes. You know it wasn't God. Yeah, god didn't warn them that. You know my son's going to be born here, you know. So let's you know it was the devil. I mean, he was told. You know the devil, just the devil. All the problems, all our addictions, all of it. Okay, you're just a man and that's what men do. That's how men feel they're driven. It's their nature.
Bucky:nature, you know, it's uh yeah all that all that we know what to do what not to do?
Zack:but the people that fucking. When the person that says hey, do this anyway, let's do this anyway, that looks like fun, take that smoke, that drink that. That looks like Taste that. Look how much fun that is, look how good times they're having. You know, do that, do that, do that. You know, she's never going to know. Do that, do that, do that. You know that's the devil, bro.
Bucky:Yeah, and it's not an excuse to do the thing sometimes.
Zack:Absolutely not, bro.
Bucky:You can't blame it on the devil excuse to do the things sometimes absolutely not, bro.
Zack:You can't blame it on the devil, I mean you can't I mean, but it's the truth, yeah, yeah, yes, it is the truth but you can't use that as your excuse, because god also says on the other side, he also says hey, you know, you're not supposed to be doing that that's temptation.
Bucky:He gives you all the signs too. It's the deceit, and that's oh it's, it's the eating the apple, bro. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We were destined.
Earl:This is the difference between deceit and knowledge, it's how it's how he made us, and you know, do you know?
Bucky:he made it so hard.
Zack:Yeah, you know, you're just you're just babbling, chris, you're just babbling. You know where babbling came from, babylon bro. You know why babbling came from about was because the, the king at the time, decided he was going to be able to stairway to heaven. And he was getting higher and higher and higher, and and he was just cocky and he was vain and god says, okay, hey, you went one brick too far and he smited them, confusing them all, breaking them into different languages.
Zack:They couldn't understand each other, and the ones that could understand each other broke off and got with each other because they couldn't understand it. So it became, you know that's where yeah, different tribes separate separate. That's where babbling comes from and do you think the the term babbling they couldn't communicate?
Earl:do you't communicate? Do you think that?
Zack:came from a story from the Bible. Oh, you're just babbling. Somebody just made that up.
Earl:It's complicated, it's not complicated, but it's a little more than that we choose our kids media chooses for us, whoever it may be.
Zack:They cover our eyes, they put the wool over our heads. They don't want you to see what's really there and what's not really there. And the thing is is they have given us distractions, so many distractions to keep us from righteousness that we see daily, constantly that everything is to stop you from sin Right the real ending. You know this is a mere stepping stone.
Earl:Yeah, you know the righteous man, it's a path.
Earl:That he don't want you to see.
Earl:No, it's beset.
Zack:And he'll use anything to keep you from seeing it from grief.
Earl:Selfish man, the selfish man, the greed of the world.
Bucky:The world yeah.
Earl:That's where that's. One of the big parts of the world is the man's greed.
Zack:I'm not going to lie to you. He blinded me for a fair amount of years.
Earl:Oh yeah.
Bucky:But yeah, I mean, he does every day, sometimes me maybe.
Earl:That's human nature. They say the selfishness of I don't drink water, bro. He's trying to blind me all the time, you know Well, wow, that's human nature they say, the selfishness of I don't drink water, bro.
Zack:He's trying to blind me all the time, you know.
Earl:Well.
Zack:I mean really, just think about it, it all amounts to the same goal.
Earl:Don't make the addiction and selfishness annoying.
Zack:Everything that's hurt me amounts to the same goal he wins.
Earl:Well, you're right. You know what that's part of. The answer to addiction is releasing yourself.
Zack:God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change and the courage to change the things I can't.
Earl:You've got to accept there's a power greater than yourself because, you cannot, you cannot, but you can by God, by God Through.
Bucky:God.
Earl:All of it.
Bucky:Yeah, that's the only way I've ever kicked anything.
Earl:I don't know man.
Bucky:I mean cigarettes, was one of the toughest things.
Zack:Man, I can think of tougher. No, yes, but I'm just saying yeah, but for real though I mean tough.
Bucky:There's just so many.
Earl:Yeah, not that he helped me do it.
Bucky:Well, situations, there's, temptations, things are terrible, but it's like, yeah, there's so many. But that looks like fun man yeah that cigarette should taste good.
Zack:No, they don't.
Bucky:It don't taste good, you know.
Zack:I'm going to smoke them anyway, right, exactly.
Bucky:I mean that's just a power and it's just a damn. I mean it's tobacco. Come on, it's a thing, it's another thing. Yeah, man, it kind of takes your mind off
Earl:of things. It could be a tool. It could be a tool temporarily, Overall it's going to do this to you.
Zack:You know, the story of Job is a bet. It's a bet. It's a bet between God and the devil. Yeah, If you took the hedge away from his soul, then I will have him cussing you for the days up. He said I will take the hedge away from his heart, but I will not take the hedge away from his soul. Or is it the other way around?
Zack:One or two, so he allowed him to hurt. He didn't allow him to hurt Job before then. So Job was like the most patient, the most one. That was Job was like his favorite, you know cause he did what he was supposed to be doing, you know. So he did that, dropped that hedge. He used to be all talking and farming. You know, first thing he did to destroy all the crops, have nothing to eat. Then destroyed Nothing to eat, then destroyed all the cattle, you know. Then destroyed his kids.
Earl:Yeah.
Zack:You know, Destroyed everything he had. In the end of the story is Job lays down naked in a fetal position, pulling his own hair out. But did he cuss God like? He said no, he didn't. But the ending of Job is not like a good ending to me. You know that's not cool.
Bucky:Yeah, but that's how far he'll take you, that's right, he'll take you to your lowest point and try to destroy you, but you just got to keep the faith, faith.
Zack:Remember, earl, because in the end I'm glad you said that Because in the end, in the end, when it's all said and done, when this life is over, bro, this life ain't nothing, and that's the only thing that kept me alive to this point.
Bucky:Yeah, at that point when he told you that, like that was faith that you would know that that would happen, you know, you have faith that that is how that's going to happen. That is, that is I know it.
Earl:Yeah.
Zack:You know, and the thing is, the devil knows that he can't hurt me and that's so he used my children. You know, I firmly believe in that. So then, even though I know that I'll see him again, I'll come back. I'm working on my fence to make this house and spend every dollar I have on this house, because that's what the girls wanted. They wanted this house to stay. And I'm sitting there thinking of Zoe, and Zoe was baptized after the wreck. Well, I know she believed in God, but she was baptized after the wreck. So there's another little doubt. The devil would jump on your shoulders and start saying hey, is that good enough?
Zack:So I'm like man, she wasn't baptized. So you know, is she in heaven? Well, I know she's in heaven, but the devil's saying no, she's not in heaven. So I'm sitting there welding on my and literally someone came up behind me and gave me a hug and I raised my hood up and I looked down and my shirt was even pulled back where their arms would be and I said, devil, get away from me, because if my daughter was here on earth giving me a hug, she's not in heaven see.
Earl:That's just one more way. Yeah, you're right, but I tell you what I've felt, more than I've seen or heard. Understand, you know what I mean. Yeah, I know what you felt you know I can understand people's.
Zack:You know how could he let this happen to me? That's, that's that, that's the deal, you know how, why?
Zack:I can't believe it. It makes me so mad. Why would he do this to me? The anger just builds up and builds up and builds up. It's still there, even though I know that he didn't do it. But I'm still mad and I'll soon let go of that. And that chris is probably chris is probably actually I'm not. I'm telling you the truth. Chris is probably the reason that I'll soon let go of this, because after I told him, I said finding reasons to breathe, and he called me let's start doing this. The only time that I'm not mad about those situations is when I'm talking about God. There you go.
Bucky:So maybe we do know what we're doing. That's why I say I mean we do, but we don't. Does that make sense?
Zack:We do know what we're doing. You wanted to start a podcast. You felt I needed it.
Earl:Or we needed it, or whatever. No, yeah, you're right.
Bucky:Not just you, bro, for myself too.
Zack:Yeah, then there's always the good thing. What helps is have y'all ever heard of Loves? Loves has the best steak there is. You know what I'm saying? I'm just saying I mean, but for real that's true. I got to thank my friend one way or another for starting this and saving my life.
Bucky:No, hey, I mean don't think that you didn't.
Zack:Hey, don't think that you're not helping. Don't never think that no, I don't know.
Bucky:You know what?
Zack:I'm telling you, I feel like.
Bucky:I'm not helping at all, so I'm going to keep doing it. You're helping.
Zack:I'm just going to keep doing yeah, no, I believe that.
Bucky:Yeah, people will. Yeah, that's right, and so this way, never forget, but we're good, we're good.
Zack:I'm glad we're doing this. You know what I mean. I hope that people are glad we're doing this. I hope that someone listens to this, hey, and it helps someone and they help somebody else, and all we talked about is if it helps one person, that's all it matters.
Bucky:Even if it was just ourselves, Right, Like if it just helps me, you and Earl, or if it just helps one of us, that's one person, Be easy, that's one person that we've helped. But if we can help anybody else, it's just bonus man, and hey, I got to. I mean, I think we probably could on this subject. Just, I mean mean, the list of people we know that need to talk about some of that stuff is probably a whole monthly episode. So I don't know how we're going to deal with that. We'll see.
Zack:One of these days we'll be able to say hey, listeners, if any of y'all out there can empathize, or something like this has happened to y'all, why?
Bucky:don't y'all give us a call, we may get to that point.
Zack:Lord, I hope so.
Bucky:That'd be awesome. Call in.
Zack:Yeah, because I firmly believe that there's a message to be told here, and we're here to tell the message.
Earl:I think we're getting there Same ways you don't know in the past To do that.
Bucky:Same way as not knowing the path. To do that, we'll have to be live.
Zack:No, we won't have to be live. All right, yeah, no, we're recording. They can still call us.
Earl:Or well, to a certain group you could be like on a whatever circuit, but anyway yeah you're talking about a path and not knowing you ain't supposed to know the path. It's like knowing what God's will is. You'd be arrogant to know.
Zack:If you knew the day you were going to end, you'd be crazy.
Earl:Yeah, and you'd be arrogant to know the path you've got to take, because life is a struggle, Life is pain. Those are all things they say. Those are things they say and that's why he went through pain and the struggle and the same thing. You know, those are all somewhat a cliche, not untrue.
Zack:You know Eric comes by and checks on me quite often. Man, I meant to tell you thank you for that. That's a yeah but he'll come to my house.
Bucky:I know I do.
Zack:I do it differently you send me texts, I mean it's just different ways, different folks yeah but no
Bucky:like I say that day when you text me that something just came over me. I don't know what it was, but, like I say, I've been praying to lead me, show me, and here I am, don't know it felt different that day.
Earl:Yes, sir, I know what that was. It felt different that day. Yes, sir, I know what that was.
Bucky:They call that something yeah you know what that is right what do they call it the Holy Spirit? There you go, absolutely it comes over you ah so you know, I didn't. I didn't. I mean, I did think I was like a podcast, what the who's gonna listen to me, you know, oh, maybe, I mean, I did think I was like a podcast, what the who's going to listen to me. You know Maybe thousands, I don't know.
Earl:Like you said, that's not what your hope is.
Bucky:No, but I don't even think any of that came to me. It just came to me like, just call him and tell him we're doing a podcast.
Zack:I'm like all right so.
Bucky:I almost got ran over that same day.
Zack:I almost died.
Bucky:I could have died that day, but you didn't that would have been.
Zack:That's the devil trying to get you. I said look, there's the value. Hey, wait a second. This is one step closer to where they need to be fuck that that's crazy.
Bucky:That's what made you think a little more like hey, yeah, that's what made you think a little more like hey, yeah, let's.
Earl:Well, it makes you think a little more.
Zack:Everything you think is coincidence. You know, there just happens to be this man search and I happened to text that man. Everything is already there, everything's mathematical Everything, wow. But you know, everything is where it's supposed to be, when it's supposed to be. You may not like it, it may be the worst thing that ever happened to you, but it may all be for something. It is going to be for something I promise you.
Bucky:Yeah, so yeah, we're hoping to help people. It's going to First. First it's going to and then along the way. We're just going to pick up some people along the way and just say, hey, well, it's a piece of things that they need to come along for the ride too.
Earl:Yeah, well let people listen to it and if it connects them to something else, it's like man, I'm sorry I didn't come Friday, man, I was. I wanted to a lot of ways, but for a lot and I wanted crystal to come, and you know what I mean, but and it may be a step somewhere else in the path- yeah but I mean, real life is still here and right.
Zack:Yes, stuff happens like we all have obligations and we have duties that we have to take care of being married.
Bucky:Yeah, absolutely.
Zack:And sometimes why you got to get so close what. What my good friend over there B he may crack me up but he cracks me up, but I understand Everything's going good.
Bucky:We have obligations as men to ourselves to our wives because we were married Absolutely and so we have to take care of that.
Zack:He got a bigger hug than she got, I promise you. That's why I was like what the hell? But I hug people that come out to support me. I was giving her a hug, asking her how she was doing. I mean, really just to see how y'all were doing. You know what I'm saying. Y'all were there. Y'all were doing good. Everything looks like it's supposed to. It's looking good. Yes, sir, it's looking good, yes, sir, it was looking good. But everything, yeah, you know, just be very aware of your surroundings and don't ever think that anything that's bad is happening to you just by chance.
Bucky:Yeah.
Zack:You either brought it upon yourself or somebody brought it upon you. Well, just being aware you're so slick you can't slide.
Bucky:That's a good term there you go so this I think this might have to be a two part episode what time is it?
Zack:it's like 8 yeah but I want to say this to both y'all I greatly appreciate the, the, the strength, the help. You know, for real, it's hard for me to say such things, you know, but I, you know, I really appreciate what y'all have done, as in friends, because, you know, chris told me something. I just realized I hadn't been as good as friends I should have been. I mean, and you've been, there's so many out there that hadn't even said anything.
Zack:Wow, yeah, but you know I, I and you know we've been friends a long long time, yeah, and you know I would be upset if something happened to y'all, and so in the same, so in the same sense, that means you know I love both y'all, so I appreciate it.
Earl:But uh, thanks for the support yeah, well, it's as simple as that. It's a tough, it's a big thing, but you know what it's like. Hey, I don't know what to say to you, but says I love you brother, and I don't know what else.
Bucky:There's nothing we can say to make it better, so go through in my mind I don't know how can I help him without? I mean, you know, like I don't know what to say. I help him without. I mean, you know, like I don't know what to say.
Zack:Yeah, but we were real good friends a long time ago. Oh yeah, yeah. Then we kind of went several ways.
Bucky:Oh yeah, we had life happen, bro, that's right, I mean them past like you went this way I went this way for a while. Maybe we met along the way.
Zack:I mean, as long as you know, if you don't have any ulterior motives to something that you're doing for someone, that's good. I mean that's what my wife used to get so mad at me for help, because I'll help anybody, anyone, and she's like why are you helping them, why are you giving them a second chance?
Earl:I said because that's what I'm supposed to be doing. Somebody might give me one sometime, or something.
Earl:I might need one.
Bucky:There's different yeah, I might need that second chance.
Earl:I've been on that, I've been there or I've already been sometimes.
Bucky:I stop Like say we talked about our addiction and we can sit here for an hour each.
Earl:That's what I like to support groups and stuff for, because somebody's been there before. You're not the only one. Somebody's been there before. It's all true, right?
Zack:Yes, sir, I just don't want nobody to have to do it. There's nothing worse that you could do to an enemy.
Earl:No, that's why there's all kinds of different support groups. We're talking about addiction.
Zack Flynn:She's addicted All kinds of things.
Earl:That's not the only thing to get through. Addiction is just one of those things to get through. One of those things?
Zack:yeah, it's one of those things that can get you Sit alone in a four-corner room staring at Ken.
Bucky:Yeah, it can get you If you let it.
Zack:I'm not going to let it.
Bucky:Well.
Zack:I actually feel good. I actually feel good First time.
Bucky:I feel good in a while To me this is like our personal support group.
Earl:Yeah, it is. It's a group. That's how group works.
Bucky:Yeah.
Zack:You talk it out. It's a lot better to talk it out with y'all and these listeners that don't have you than it is to talk about it with a complete stranger.
Earl:Yeah, but sometimes you've got to do that too.
Bucky:Well, I'm learning that there's different forms of therapy.
Earl:It's different for different people. That's just like sometimes they talk about you've got to write it out or you've got to give your problems to God, like you've either got to say it out or write it down and give it to God. There's some truth in all that, and more so to different extents to different people.
Zack:That's what they gotta do. But you know, uh, you're fixing it, there you go. So this is this probably concludes.
Earl:Or yeah, no, not just yet. Yeah, I got to pee, real bad too. Yeah, go ahead, let's end it. What?
Zack:and then so go ahead and I'll talk it out.
Earl:I'll talk it out. Go use your instrument for it. No he's in there right now.
Zack:Oh, but I go outside. Merle, I'm from Newark. Yeah, I'm still country.
Earl:I may live in the city but I still act like I live at the farm I pee, smoke a cigarette.
Zack:It's an event. It's an event.
Earl:If I go pee it's outside.
Zack:I have a firm belief in that I have to. It's not that I have to, it's not that I have to. It's just that I believe that there's a path that I'm on and that I'll soon be doing. But man, I got lots of things that I got to beat. Before I get there, I say I cuss way too much. Can you see me up there talking about God? I'll be, like you know, in this mother—.
Earl:At the time? I don't know man.
Zack:That's how each of us man you don't know man, that's how each of us man, you don't call the time and there's a time we go.
Earl:That's right, that's like I said exactly Our path is the hardest to see and that's the whole point. You don't know your end for sure, and that's how you got to live your life, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Zack:That's I mean as today, maybe the last I keep saying I know exactly what I'm supposed to be doing. I will let y'all know what that is before too long. So you just have to keep listening, because I know what it is I do. I know wholeheartedly what I'm supposed to be doing. I just don't know how I'm supposed to be doing it, but I know what I'm supposed to be doing.
Bucky:Well, yeah.
Earl:Yeah.
Bucky:Well, sometimes I think I know what we're doing with this podcast and the next thing I know I don't.
Zack:Yeah, man but it's good. It's going to be good. I don't care if it's good or not. It's therapeutic but it is.
Earl:We'll have more listeners than you think it doesn't matter if we have one, as long as it's not our wives. Wow, I almost went too long. What was it? The Monday before it's been just over a week. We went, didn't it feel too long?
Bucky:Yeah.
Earl:Yes, it did yeah absolutely.
Bucky:We need to get him or your dad on early maybe, like on a Monday morning, maybe have coffee.
Earl:It'd be great.
Zack:That would be great. 10 o'clock.
Bucky:I have a coffee machine in there, A Keurig. It'll make like 10 cups. Hell yeah, right there we could have coffee in here and talk.
Earl:We got to get away from the seriousness some you know yes you're right, different stuff and like same thing as having us three versus having somebody else. Here too, can't always have a guest. Let's do some of these in between.
Bucky:yes exactly, exactly because we can't talk about the same things in front of people, just because every day we'll lose lots, not that we don't talk in front of listeners or whoever might listen, but it's different when somebody's in the room you know jerry flan is going to have stories about your grandpa and your dad that that are that are funnier and shit.
Earl:Yeah, I probably never, it's gonna be probably I probably never told you, even though he's gonna be news to you though and but my, my dad, is one of those people that remember every single thing that's ever my dad has a lot of stories about it.
Bucky:Your dad.
Zack:Oh yeah, probably most. Mostly about being drunk, I'm sure, hey, but hey, they're still funny, that's right, they're hilarious. That's what happened, it was me. That's what happened, it was me.
Earl:That's what happened Me.
Zack:I think and I don't know Carl, little girls and a couple of guys. You know, we pull up at the farm. My dad just, it's like 530. My dad had gone in and taken a shower and probably already drinking a six pack or 12 pack, you know, because he never drank. He'd never drank until five, but he would drink a case before, like eight o'clock okay, but anyway. So he's outside watering the grass. He's got a towel over his shoulder, that's it. I pull up. He's outside naked. He's looking hey, how are y'all doing? Okay?
Earl:you know he just turned around.
Zack:He used his way back in the head, didn't?
Bucky:not faze him a bit? I might not remember that story, but you do. Yeah, I was like oh, you think you should put some clothes on. So yeah, I've got so many stories.
Zack:Different things, my daddy's the greatest.
Earl:That's what we ought to do. Like I said, mix it up right now.
Earl:We ought to get that Back and forth.
Bucky:Yeah, and if we can get two people in a row.
Earl:More often. Fourth, yeah, uh, and if we can, get two people in a row more often and then we'd come back this more often, even jerry bird I'm saying, oh well easily on hole three and quana.
Zack:We used to have bet all the time if we could hit the who could get closest to the hole you?
Earl:know golf.
Zack:I hit the flag I hit the flag one time I drove. It's gonna drive way over. I hit the flag. It wrapped up in the flag and fell straight down bro.
Earl:Well, there's several stories involving jerry bear and the country club yeah, but but if you're just a golf, coach, just much less whatever.
Earl:There's the principal stories, there's ag teacher stories y'all want to hear these stories.
Zack:Y'all going to tune in as others to it.
Earl:Come back next. We'll get there.
Bucky:We'll get there and it won't always be serious. So and uh, yeah, it's gonna be serious. Yeah, it's just, you know what that's right.
Earl:You know what that's like scheduling. We should probably like schedule, just like we'll get up on saturday and talk shit oh, so, so so we know something like that we need to get it.
Zack:We need to get down to the ending it needs to be. We need to have some freeing. You know, like uh, keep your eyes up and stay focused and stay steady and uh be easy, you know what I'm saying.
Earl:Hey, yeah, you know what?
Zack:I tell you that's the lick right. I think that's it. I think I sold on that dude.
Bucky:You know what? I don't know. I think I sold on that. There was a point Out of left field on that one there was a point no there was a point when I was up the River. Hey, that'll be the name of that.
Zack:Yeah name of the episode Up the River.
Earl:You're right, because I could talk a lot about when I was up the river. Yeah, we'll get there, and they got. Hey, there was a lot. We can go back to my notes and books about be easy easy.
Zack Flynn:Does it take it?
Earl:easy. Oh, that's right, there's a lot of easy, you remember when I came back. I do remember that about just give it a minute, take it easy, calm down Me, be easy, be easy.
Bucky:Yeah, right.
Earl:Wow, so you're striking a chord with me, right, right.
Earl:Okay, so that's it then, right, you remember.
Zack:No, I do remember, you remember, yeah, so until then, keep your eyes up and believe in God or something.
Earl:Well.
Zack:Be easy, however, you want to end it, hey, take it easy, no, be easy.
Earl:Be, easy, because that's who we are.
Zack:Bucky, earl and Zach yeah that's it, so be easy. It's just good play.
Earl:Damn it is. Hey, let's end it with that, because I've got to pee so bad.
Zack:Okay, go pee and we'll be easy.
Earl:Yeah, go pee, I'll be much easier and we'll see you next week and stay tuned. Hey, let's do it biweekly, is that what it?
Bucky:is Tonight. We're going to say goodbye for the Be Easy podcast and we will be talking to you soon, but until then, I'm Bucky, this is Earl, I'm Zach, we are the Be Easy podcast and we will see you later.
Zack Flynn:We'll make it in grace. How sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me. I once was lost, but now I'm found. And I was blind, but now well, I see that taught my heart To fear and grace, my fear relieved. How precious did that grace appear the hour I first believed. My chains are gone and I've been set free. My Lord, my Savior, he's ransomed me Like a flood. His mercy rains. Unending love, amazing grace. And when we've been there ten thousand years, bright, shining as the sun, there's no less days to sing God's praise than when we first begun. As my chains are gone and I've been set free, lord, my Savior, he's ransomed me Like a flood. His mercy reigns. Unending love, amazing grace and light the floor. His mercy reigns, unending love, amazing grace, amazing grace, amazing grace, amazing grace. How sweet the sound.
