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Is MMI worth it?
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Is MMI worth it? We talk with Graduates a former Instructor about the answer to this question and much more.
Once again, it's time to open your ears and expand your mind. Or maybe it's still your mind. Either way, I think these boys have something to say. So sit back, grab a brew, we're gonna have some to give you our point of view, here on Talkin Braap well I think it's about time we usually start coming in right?
Mike VO :Yeah. I don't know You yelled at me so I know.
Roy Merritt :Talking crab season two, Episode Three, yeah. Episode Three so check us out Talkin braap.com Instagram talking brab Facebook talking brab twitter brap brap brap whatever find us anywhere check out our website. We got some cool stuff coming out on the website. Now I finally got to release the new website got a blog feed and all kinds of stuff going on. So check it out, sign up for newsletters and blah blah blah and all that stuff we're gonna be doing. So the topic of the day is m m i worth it. If you don't know what MMI is. MMI is a division of UTI and it is the motorcycle mechanics Institute. We got Mike and Shane and Aaron here today.
Shane Langdon :The under the urinary tract infection Institute did his secretary attractants Okay. Yes, yeah,
Unknown Speaker :yes. They
Roy Merritt :know me, Shane Mike. I mean, we all went to MMI. You know, Aaron didn't go Aaron's not really the techie guy back here. So he didn't go. So he hasn't had quite the input on this that we have. But I think each one of us went through school with quite a few people. Yeah. And of those people, but how many do you think are still in the business? Probably
Shane Langdon :three.
Roy Merritt :Okay, and that's about what I was gonna say three to four of the 60 to 100 people I started with probably four, maybe five that are still in the business doing anything worth a shit. What do you think of that? Is
Aaron Staudinger :it like a lack of desire to want to do it? What's a lack of desire to want to do it or burned out or what's the reason for not wanting to stay
Roy Merritt :has nothing to do with Wanting to say just because you want to fly a plane doesn't mean you can.
Aaron Staudinger :With all the instruction in the world, some people are just not going to be able to fly a fucking plane. Yeah. What's that guy's name? Bob Denver. john john Connor. Yeah and ask him about it. I'm gonna fly and Kobe, Kobe Bryant and he was like a helicopter that up pretty good. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker :So you know
Roy Merritt :some people ride like that. I mean, you know when you're in school and I don't think this holds true it just MMI I think this is something that holds true on anything, any kind of schooling anywhere, which is you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make them drink. So um, you know, you can teach people all the stuff in the world, but it doesn't mean they're gonna soak it up and be able to use it.
Shane Langdon :What he's raising his hand over in the corner
Roy Merritt :when you're in school, and I'm sure you know Mike and shame for you guys can agree with this. I would say about 30% of the people, you know, within the first couple of days that are not going to make it. You know, I just can't wrap their heads around things. You know, just because you want to work on motorcycles does not mean you have the aptitude for it. You get guys that decide, oh, man, I've been watching OCC and I want to be Paul Jr. I want to build a bike. But they've been pencil pushers their whole life. They've never used a torque wrench. They've never turned a wrench. They don't know the difference between you know, an open end wrench and a closed end wrench or any of this so they get into school and there's a lot thrown at you. You know, I think if I were to go to school to be a doctor or something, I would probably fail. Yeah, but there's also the side of it too, where if you're starting with a fresh slate, some people depending how you're wired, you can pick it up or somebody who's been doing it 15 years on their own garage, taught doing it.
Shane Langdon :Wrong for 15 years now let's be retaught. That's the whole opposite of that spectrum. Yes, but a guy that has been doing it in his garage for 15 years, even little bits at a time is going to do a lot better than a guy who has never touched a wrench before. As if he's a cross sweater or Loctite. Guy, well cross the red.
Roy Merritt :Cross red is forever so it doesn't get better your green green Loctite or cross red whichever one you want.
Mike VO :Unless it's a derby cover, somebody's got to take off and use red or green, green. So, so I have a call in coming tonight. From guy named Jason widger. I met him about 10 years ago when I went through MMI. He was from the same town same area I was new, a lot of the same people close to the same age. We just never had crossed paths. We knew he used to hang out in the low rider scene and the bike scene and I knew all the low rider clubs and blah blah blah and
Roy Merritt :You know what, once we got into class and this net started talking to man, man, I can't believe we've never met, you know, we grew up not too far from each other and just never really met. So I've stayed in touch with Jason. He went from MMI to HDU, which is kind of the same thing except it's, it's, you know, more hardly run than MMI. They actually have a company called MIT I think it is. And it's what Harley uses to train, you know, their technicians. And they are usually MMI teachers. Okay. And the best of the best, you know, Jason went to like Thailand for like five years and was teaching, you know, in Thailand, Harley Davidson in Thailand.
Unknown Speaker :Now,
Roy Merritt :he is now working at Harley Davidson as a tech services guy. Call in when you need help and he'll help you out Excuse me, um, you know, and I kind of wanted to get a little bit of his input to see, you know, how many people he thinks goes through there that don't do anything with it, you know, and what, what that side of everything looks like because, you know, I think the three of us soaked up a lot when we were in there, we knew what we wanted out of it. You know, we wanted we wanted what we have now, basically, we wanted to be some of the best technicians that we could be so we took it seriously and the people that do take it seriously do take a lot out of MMI I can remember so many little things that I was taught and MMI that you know, I probably would not have learned anywhere else, you know, I don't know they lied to me about all the chicks.
Mike VO :Yeah, they said you work on motorcycles are gonna be a chick magnet. Yeah, I just hang out with you fucking castle.
Roy Merritt :Or like a dick.
Unknown Speaker :Mike says
Unknown Speaker :guys love me. Yeah. Everywhere I go
Roy Merritt :yeah I thought it was the case love him that's what it is. Yeah that's true they do they do they do
Aaron Staudinger :on the school thing man how much of that is just related to like any course of study period? I mean like you absolutely you go
Roy Merritt :to college how many people you know are actually using the Women's Studies degree or whatever they did in school How many people do you know that are doing menial jobs that have liberal arts degrees that I nothing mean? I have an electrical engineering degree.
Aaron Staudinger :Yeah, I used it for about a year and a half. Yeah, failed. The creative side
Roy Merritt :and that's the thing that's why people like to bash MMI but in the end, it's just like any other school just because you go to school. Oh, wait, what's this?
Unknown Speaker :Let's see if a light one. Hello. Hey guys,
Roy Merritt :what's going on? What's going on? Man?
Jason Widger :How you doing? Good man yourself.
Roy Merritt :I'm doing all right. So this is Jason
Mike VO :Jason this store 2715
Unknown Speaker :I don't have a reference number, the
Jason Widger :VIN number.
Roy Merritt :I mean, I forgot to tell you but I hope you have a beer open because we do
Jason Widger :actually know we were gonna go to the store and get some of but you know, this is more important right now. So I don't have any here. Yeah, well, we always drink. And we can just leave it at that. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker :While we podcast Yeah, that's right.
Roy Merritt :Yeah. So I was telling them a little bit about you on the way in, you know, this is about 10 years ago. I think that we met in school there. Yep. Your instructor and told him you'd spent How long were you in Thailand? Like,
Jason Widger :I was five years under just under four years? Just under four years? Yeah.
Roy Merritt :Yep. Yeah. So you've been around quite a few people. And what we kind of been talking about is is you know, and it's not an MMI thing.
Jason Widger :I think it's any school is there's a large percentage of people that go through school. Yep. That don't work in the industry when it's also Yeah, right. There's a lot of guys that I actually had back when I was at MMI that to this day Do not even touch motorcycles. I mean, there's guys that have gone to other schools after MMI and done something completely different. Yeah.
Roy Merritt :Yeah, and you know, we kind of said here earlier is you know, I said just because you want to be able to fly a plane and you go take lessons doesn't mean you will necessarily be able to fly a plane ever. Absolutely. You know, some people need the aptitude and there is a certain type of person that that you have to be to do this job
Jason Widger :but I direct
Mike VO :I think there's also people think you can make money doing it.
Shane Langdon :Just do it because they got the GI Bill and they wanted to be able to work on their own bike later but or just doing it just dance.
Jason Widger :Yeah, that's a lot of things that I run into too easy is because I was thinking earlier today You know, you got these guys that come to the school fresh out of the military that got the GI Bill and bam, they want to do it. Or you got these guys who are 6070 years old, they just retired and they want to do something with their life. So they come to school. You know, but you also on the flip side of that you get these kids that are 1818 years old, that oh, I want to go to MMI I want to go to law school, I'm gonna go to any school. I'm gonna get away from family and they don't really care what's happening. They're getting an education per se, but they're just drinking and partying and having a good time. Oh, yeah. Those guys would go those guys usually in midday class used to be Yeah, usually Yeah. I remember I was in night class and morning and night seemed to be okay. But midday midday I was already Fuck off. We had to work during the day to to go to school night. That's all Yeah. And I did the same thing when I was with the school there because I went to school. Oh, 405 and I worked all day, six days a week and then I went to school Monday through Friday at night. So yeah, been the same as everybody else's. And you spent How long do you spend as a technician
Roy Merritt :was a little over five years or five years. Yeah, yep, yep. So you know, you've got good experience on kind of both ends of it and you know, you watch people online just bash Mmm. Oh, yeah. And it's it's so bad because these guys I went to school and I couldn't do shit with it. It's like, Man, you know you're an idiot.
Jason Widger :Yeah. Well, the one thing that the one thing that we used to tell the guys is you get out of it, what you put into it. So if you go in there with open mind and you're willing to learn and everything and take what the instructors tell you, then absolutely, but if you go in there with a mindset, oh, I'm just only here because I have to be or I'm the GI Bill or I just want to do something with my life, blah, blah. They don't care. They're not gonna get anything out of it. Like, I'll be honest, when I went to MMI I knew nothing. I'm gonna I'm gonna make myself sound really bad. I had no idea what a lifter was. I had no idea what cam timing was. I had no idea we were talking about being shafts and all that stuff. I had no clue. Yeah, but once I went through theory, and I understood cuz I've heard all the terms. I just didn't know what anybody was saying. But once I went through theory and understood, I'm like, oh, okay, now it makes sense that kind of put everything together. And that's what I wanted to do. I wanted to work on motorcycles and I have this career so I put every effort I could into it. But you get these other guys that are just they're only here because mommy Dad, you're paying for it.
Roy Merritt :Yeah. Well, you know, and a really good example we have a, an entry level guy here. That's from Greenland. Okay, yeah, he went through MMI Yeah. And you know, each time I finished the class, you know, I took notes every day I did everything and I put everything in a binder. Yep. And then when I was done, I had a series of binders for every class and I still have some of those binders in my toolbox to go back to touring electronics and the advanced electronics stuff like that. I keep those in my box because sometimes their stuff I get back tuners Thank you very much. Absolutely. Yeah, you do you have a screaming Eagle bite? Yeah.
Mike VO :Hey, Tyler. We're all those binders and sheet you paid for from MMI. Yes, sir. So we asked
Roy Merritt :The new guy, the new guy's got stuff going on and we're like, Man, you learn this in school. No, I didn't learn that we didn't learn. Okay, where's your notebook? I don't know. I lost them. You paid $30,000 for those freaking notebooks. What did you lost? And
Jason Widger :that's the funny thing is is when you guys went to school, you guys got all the handouts, everything when I went to school when I went through theory, we had to hand write all of our notes. We didn't get any handouts until I think it was. Graduation one. No. Yeah, like s two. Yeah. So you know, we had to handwrite all that stuff. So with me if I'm handwriting everything I remember stuff when I get stuff in the handouts are handed out to me. Now I'm done. I can't remember anything.
Mike VO :Yeah, I think another another issue that people have is for some reason, they think that they're gonna go to MMI and come out Paul Tuttle,
Unknown Speaker :like, yeah, like you said, Yes.
Mike VO :And I mean, even your diploma says basic motorcycle. technician, right? I mean,
Unknown Speaker :yeah, they have a chair throwing class and shit like that.
Roy Merritt :Yeah. Well, they do if you're in the right classes that you can figure out how to drop the bike off the lift though.
Unknown Speaker :They used to happens every every
Roy Merritt :year. Every couple weeks.
Mike VO :They used to have a class where you did like when we went through, they had a class where you did like honing cylinders. Yeah. outflowing kids.
Roy Merritt :So when I went through was like, 11 I think it was. We were the last Buell class. We were the last v rod class, we were one of the last boring and honing classes. They had went to what they're doing now, which is where they call the last two labs data. So one DSO two, so one, DSO two, they had just started that as I was getting out. Yep. Which you have some deep stuff in those books. Oh, yeah. Like you have. Bob drop. I had Bob Yeah, Bob drops him in.
Jason Widger :Yeah, is that man so smart, really slow down forgotten
Aaron Staudinger :stuff in there like some really Bob was Bob
Shane Langdon :the one that was always building the weapon. On the side building and selling was the
Roy Merritt :grab is what seven? We were national champions
Shane Langdon :is an older dude hello good and Screaming Eagles I
Unknown Speaker :think I think his name was
Unknown Speaker :Bob. That was Bob but it was something I need drag race to Sportster.
Jason Widger :Yeah, that was Bob draft.
Roy Merritt :That's Bob drop if he's drag racing, yeah, he he won his like fourth or fifth national championship. Well, this isn't this
Shane Langdon :isn't Arizona but
Roy Merritt :yeah. And he he told me he had built his sporty. He had run three full seasons on that motor and said that he would probably get at least one more season out of it and won national championships.
Jason Widger :And you want to know the funny thing about that engine is everybody screams screaming equals the best lifter screaming or the best lifter? Yeah, he ran soft. Stop screaming. I can't say anything like
Mike VO :Hey, I got an off topic case number Yeah, Jason off topic. How old is Steve?
Jason Widger :Steve? They do? Yeah. Oh, he's probably 5060 s. But he looks a lot older than he is. Yeah, right. You gotta get that North North England draw and you gotta get, you know, smoking cigarettes all the time. I love him.
Mike VO :When I get Steve. I'm like, Oh, this is probably gonna go Well, guys, I'm like, I don't even want to talk to you because you don't even know what I'm talking about.
Shane Langdon :is Alan still there? Alan Ball. Yeah, yeah, he's still there. I haven't talked to him forever.
Unknown Speaker :Yeah, the English
Shane Langdon :guy. Yeah, cuz he was when when the 1125 came out. He was faxing me all the Bolton stuff because though the manuals weren't shipped yet. Nice.
Roy Merritt :Yeah, there's a few guys in there. Actually. There's a couple others. Yeah, when I get them. I'm like, Oh, thank God. Every time I get rich, I'm like, Yes,
Mike VO :I went. I went rounds with Rich one time on a Sportster, like seven years ago, and I was like, I hate this guy the next time he like totally hooked me up. I was like, alright
Jason Widger :you know it's funny and anytime I have an issue when I go to Steve, I've got a Richard Allen so they've been there the longest. I always go with them every time Yeah.
Roy Merritt :So that for the listeners that don't know what we're talking about here. If you don't know Chris's so when we as technicians need help we call Harley our and these are the guys we talked as Harley Davidson technicians. Yes. Not Not like this
Mike VO :mom and pop shops like where
Unknown Speaker :does it who these guys are calling? Yeah, if
Roy Merritt :you're not a dealer, you don't hit anywhere. I
Jason Widger :didn't even know about these guys. I've actually had an aftermarket shop call up customer service and they transfer him over to tech service and we're like, we can't talk to you bro. You're not to deal with. Oh, sorry. How did they get that far?
Mike VO :Cuz like because when you put in your order number if you don't put in your dealer number, they send you to hog don't they?
Jason Widger :No they call it customer service and then a new person a customer service transformer tech service and that's how we got it
Roy Merritt :fucking new guys you should
Mike VO :you should have just told him like some outlandish
Jason Widger :Yeah, I should have been fucking hilarious
Unknown Speaker :What's he gonna do Harley davidsons fully shipped man
Jason Widger :I talked to this guy and Harley told me to do this that's what
Mike VO :he told me put the lifters in upside down
Jason Widger :with a weight meter rollers boasting oh man Well,
Mike VO :it's gotta be hard for you guys because you know most of the in the Harley sector I imagine it's this way for all of the OEM graduates they go to work for dealerships for the most part. Yep. And I know there's a lot of them out there because when I call sometimes you know you guys out Like very rudimentary things and you're like, Well, did you check the battery? No, right? No, I you know, I didn't check the battery. No, I'm calling you because I don't know what to do at all. But
Jason Widger :let me ask you this. So one of the first things that you should do when doing any kind of engine diagnostics is what?
Roy Merritt :grabbed the man What do you mean?
Jason Widger :Yeah, yeah, well, okay,
Mike VO :well check your battery check the fuses.
Jason Widger :Okay, well, what if it's an engine what's the first thing you said was the first two things you can do to every engine before you start digging into it?
Roy Merritt :Let's see Russian leak detector
Jason Widger :freshly done. How many times have I got a buyer guy call up and say yeah, I got this this isn't it? Have you done compression link down yet? No worry. took it apart. You know why?
Unknown Speaker :Yeah, so
Roy Merritt :yeah, right. Then we go together. Yeah, I call call and talk to you know, the guys out there and I'll be like, Alright, man, look. I am calling you Because I need help and I am not an idiot. You know, it's like, I've gone through all the basic stuff I've done this, I've done that I've done this. Yep. I am at an impasse and I do not know what to do you know, and and there are no I will say that in the almost 10 years I've been doing this. There have been quite a few times that I have been caught with my pants down when I called tech services and they were like, what did you do this and I'm like, Fuck you. Like Damn it. Alright, let me go fix that.
Shane Langdon :worst ones. When you call. They're like, Oh, we've received that. You figured out give us call back? Let us know. And I'm like, damn it.
Jason Widger :So I got a good one. But I can't tell you on this. message. Your ROI. Back is it happened today? Oh
Mike VO :yeah. Oh, you can tell us on the air. Just change his name to Tyler.
Unknown Speaker :The thing is he works here
Shane Langdon :listening. I don't know who's listening. So well. Tyler's not. Yeah, and he's here. Well, we're having We have headphones on so he can't even hear us. Probably about 15 or 20 people outside this room that will listen to this.
Unknown Speaker :Yeah.
Unknown Speaker :If you listen to this podcast after we hear it, you're gonna be number four.
Jason Widger :Let me ask you this. You guys know bulletin 1507 correct the charging on the forcers? Sure. So if you have if you have a motorcycle that has an issue, do you check everything or you just replace everything?
Unknown Speaker :Well, that depends.
Shane Langdon :shotgun approach.
Jason Widger :Somebody somebody replaced the whole complete charging system and wanted us to cover warranty when the bulletin says nothing about replacing anything until you go through the checks.
Unknown Speaker :Yeah. Well, there's Why don't we?
Jason Widger :Why do you have to have a bulletin to tell you to go through the checks? Well, because the thing is, is in the bulletin, it tells you exactly what you're looking for. And there's a certain thing that if you get to a certain spot, you have to do this or this. They do. didn't even look at the bolt. And they had no idea that Bolton was even around and they replaced the whole whole charging system. And they wanted us to cover under warranty.
Roy Merritt :Yeah, I yeah, I could see that being a problem. Yeah. A little bit. Just a little bit. There's probably one thing wrong. Not everything.
Unknown Speaker :Exactly. So,
Roy Merritt :but yeah, you know, and I feel for you guys in tech services, because there's really nothing harder than trying to diagnose a motorcycle over the phone. Yeah,
Jason Widger :yes. And that's and that's the thing too, is that's why we asked this already been given talk right now, those easy questions, because, you know, it helps us diagnose and plus, the thing is to is when the RTL is brought to you guys, they're going to look for these same things that we asked you guys to do. So that's why they want us to go what's battery voltage? What's this? What's this? What's this? And again, it just kind of helps us get into the mindset of where you guys are at to kind of help you guys diagnose the bikes.
Mike VO :An RTL stands for regional technician lead technical lead. Yeah, lead. That's how many of those guys are there in
Jason Widger :a row 1234567. I think there's eight right now
Mike VO :just in the US in the US.
Jason Widger :And I think every region because when I was over in Thailand, all of Asia has one. I think in like Europe, there's two or three but yeah, Canada's there's one.
Mike VO :You know, I think the coolest thing about this podcast for the other two guys that listened to their podcast infrastructure that Harley has, is awesome is awesome. No, I mean, absolutely. I've only encountered regional tech lead twice. Hmm. You know, where they came out. And one of them was when we first had a Ma, they had oil coming out of a breather just like the twin cams and I said, I told the other tech, well, why don't you call them and ask him what the acceptable amount of, of oil in the crankcase is because we have like nine ounces. And it was six for the twin cams. See how much that they'll allow? And we call it and they're like you have how much oil? We're like nine ounces. Don't touch it. Right? We're like, Huh, we're sending somebody out. And the tech was back in. He's like, they're sending a tech lead. And I was like, Why? I don't know. They told me. That was like your early days. Oh, and they ended up sending that he came and took it apart and asked us questions about what we did. And this and that, and that was, what's his name? Dave.
Roy Merritt :Dave? Yeah,
Jason Widger :they've landed.
Roy Merritt :And then he was like, awesome. I worked for Dave before he worked for
Mike VO :Harley, and he leaves and then they sent as an engine.
Jason Widger :So the reason don't touch on the engine back. So a little background on that is they don't want the Indians molested. They don't want they, they know you guys will do your job. Right? But they would rather have someone come out there and take the bike apart because they're gonna nitpick the EverLiving crap out of that engine, trying to find a little tear in an O ring. Oh, yes. Good. That's everything. So that's why they want the Sometimes they'll say take the engine out or send you an engine, put it back in the box or send it over the engine plant and they will take it apart. Dave
Roy Merritt :super good.
Mike VO :Oh, yeah, they did. I mean, cuz it was we put a stage four on it. And I built the engine
Unknown Speaker :and messed up. And
Mike VO :that's probably true. But I mean, he like sat me down. And he was like, so did you put the O ring on the on the oil pump? Or did you put the O ring in the case? And I was like, what's the right answer?
Roy Merritt :depends on who you talk to on that. Yeah,
Jason Widger :you know, right. And the cool thing about the RTL is that they are regional even though that some guys will go over to other other areas. Most of those guys are regional like, like Roy, you're in Florida for a while. So Chuck Kennedy, he's mainly southeast. You got Monty that's up north and like the Delaware area, stuff like that. I think Warren's always out in California area. But I mean, they will go to other regions if they're needed, but most of the time they're in one certain area and that's all they deal with those dealers, so they haven't been before. stuff. Like that,
Roy Merritt :Chuck Chuck so Chuck some very knowledgeable guys. Well, he erases and he's a really cool guy
Shane Langdon :or came out quite a bit. California.
Roy Merritt :Yeah. You know, when when I started they had what they called sores, which was service operations area representative. Same thing different title. Except they were in the dealership all the time. Like Yep, I want to say at least once a month Chuck was in my dealership or
Shane Langdon :not a new bike, ride it up and down the coast. Yes.
Roy Merritt :So so they would come in and and sit down because when I first started as a service manager, I had one month as with a sore, and they would come in and be like, okay, where do your numbers look in what can we improve on? And then they got rid of the sores and I was
Unknown Speaker :I was like, I don't know.
Jason Widger :And actually one of the sores went to work at MMI or a little bit before I left. Yeah, yeah, I forgot her name.
Roy Merritt :Oh, a female.
Jason Widger :Yeah. was a female, older, older older lady. I don't want to say like 6070s but she was like, like later 40s
Roy Merritt :I feel like I know who you're talking about short haired lady. Yes. Yeah, yeah, I know what you're talking about. I can't think of her name though.
Jason Widger :Now, Marianne, is that it yet, Marianne.
Roy Merritt :But you know, that kind of back to the MMI thing you know? It is actually a very impressive school. It is when you you know you've been watching OCC and all this shit and you want it you go take a tour of this school. And you know you walk by all these rooms just filled with motors and bikes and all of this stuff getting taken apart and then you go by early model with panels and all of the cool things that I will never fucking work on. Right You bought those old bikes
Shane Langdon :as the cool Crescent wrenches that I never saw that.
Roy Merritt :Oh yes adjustable wrenches. They work with
Mike VO :On the cover of the latest episode, whatever What the
Roy Merritt :fuck Vinnie. Vinnie was the only guy there worth a shit. Danny Rocco I hate no no not Danny Danny day we I actually liked Danny he was a dick I liked about assholes I get along all right but no Vinnie at OCC he was doing well you know
Unknown Speaker :i don't know all the rest of those guys were thinking
Mike VO :I saw three episodes that they wired the ignition wrong and he said the ignition was bad. Yeah, I'm sure I'm sure
Jason Widger :I mean come on it's OCC What do you expect
Roy Merritt :from outside in the snow? I mean, Hey, man, that dude can weld up some fucking spider webs you
Mike VO :guys all those guys can can weld their asses off and bend metal around?
Roy Merritt :Yeah, you know, the custom stuff they did was really cool. You know, it was the mechanical part of it that and the write the writing part of it.
Aaron Staudinger :So are those things really get down the canyon?
Mike VO :Well, but I think I think what people don't understand is like when they go to MMI You're you're learning to work in the trenches, you know, you're learning Yeah, you're you're learning how to change tires. Tyler Yep. And do oil changes because that's what you're gonna do. Yeah tyloo I mean you're gonna you're gonna do services and tires and oil changes and you're going to do a lot of them and yeah, you're gonna have some diagnosis here and there and and over time, you'll get good at it but you know that they can't really teach you the blank slate approach because that's just too vast you don't ever know right? You know when somebody says I have a check engine light come on, you don't have any clue what that is.
Shane Langdon :Well, I got out the end of oh six and I was like, yeah, I'm a tech now I'm, you know, I'm a Harley tech and I get on the shop and they're like, hey, changes oil in this old softail and I'm like, Where's the drain plug? oil in school? There's no ask us there's no oil. So I'm gonna go out and
Roy Merritt :do all we did.
Jason Widger :We didn't know we didn't do oil. Oh, boy, when you went through the day, but when we went through it, yeah. Oh, If I was six I didn't do it
Roy Merritt :I had like s one s two somewhere around there because we shared we shared a room in there I think tech tech tech one tech one tech two is that what it was?
Unknown Speaker :Yeah,
Roy Merritt :yep. And that was changing oils and forks yeah
Shane Langdon :shit yeah so I mean we did forks but yeah just like fluid drops and stuff they talked about it but soft tails you know the frame in the back there and I'm just like, let me look at the manual you know start forget
Jason Widger :where's where's the transmission drain plug in
Roy Merritt :so you know I when I talk to people about this I tell them the best way I can put it is that you're paying a lot of money to learn how to read a service manual yes correctly see technically Yes. Yeah, you know and because when you leave you will not remember everything.
Jason Widger :No, no way are you know,
Aaron Staudinger :how much time you spend on teaching somebody bad habits.
Roy Merritt :Oh, God in the shop a lot. Yeah, and MMI You know, I'm sure I don't know what do you think I mean, it there's there's a curriculum and you teach people to do it. Either you do it or you don't Write
Aaron Staudinger :down like where I came from in the entertainment industry, you get people that came in with film degrees, all that kind of stuff like that. And I'd much rather hire somebody that spent five years or four years whatever production assisting and learn the way the workflow of how things actually go, rather than somebody who thought they were teaching how to make TV from books that were made from technology 10 years ago. Yeah, they're no longer really apply. Right? Like how much of that is involved at this point? Well, it's
Jason Widger :like I'll give you a good example when I was doing as to which free non mo my guys is electrical. I got guys will come in and say oh, was electrical engineer in the Navy. This is how we did the Navy. So this isn't the Navy. This is a Harley Davidson. This is the way supposed to go. Like putting like putting valve keepers in Oh, this is the way we do we can do this way. That's not the proper way. It's not the Harley Davidson way. We have to do it this way. But that's just stupid. I get that. But this is the way we teach to do it. This is the way you have to do it.
Roy Merritt :Yeah. If you don't understand the right way to do it. You can't figure out your own way.
Unknown Speaker :Exactly.
Roy Merritt :You know And, you know, like Mike said, you know, when you get out into diagnosis and things like that you really cannot teach diagnosis. No, you can't teach how a system works and what could go wrong with it. But man, even, you know, I had a pretty strong electrical background when I went into MMI I always kind of said that the two things that I really learned at MMI was one was the CV carburetor. I had never heard of that before. Right, you know, that was an absolutely all new idea to me and transmissions
Mike VO :Don't worry, they don't worry about it now.
Roy Merritt :Yeah, now it's outdated. But, you know, I went through three years automotive training. So most of everything else involved in a motorcycle I knew about, but I never really learned transmissions and that that CV carburetor was a whole new idea to me. You know, I knew how pistons and valves and all that shit work before I went in. So I had a leg up. Yeah, basic. And you know, you would hear that Oh, that's not fair. You've got an automotive training like what do you mean? It's not fair. I'm fucking paying to be here. Right? Exactly. No, there is no fair. You know,
Jason Widger :we're all paying the same amount of money to go to the same school.
Roy Merritt :Yeah, exactly. And and I knew from my experience in automotive that I could turn a wrench, and that I could probably do it successfully. Oh, yeah, there you go. You crack it open. If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge ball. But, you know, there were so many people I went to school with that I knew, you know, when we sat in class, it was like, dude, you're never you're never you're never
Shane Langdon :well, Arizona was like, 5% were burnouts. I like drugs. Because the nice thing is huge. There's a mess big
Roy Merritt :everywhere.
Mike VO :Well, yeah, pretty much. Yeah.
Shane Langdon :But yeah, so you'd see people when they do the random, random drug tests and they'd come in and then applies on the drug test and then they would come back and go, today's your last day and then right. When I was doing the midday class, a lot of those guys were coming in hung over and partying and stuff before I moved to the nightclub. So, I mean, you got your five or 10% booze outs. And then did you
Unknown Speaker :ever get drug tested?
Unknown Speaker :Yeah, you did.
Roy Merritt :Yeah. I don't remember if I ever got drug test that's a swab. I mean,
Unknown Speaker :so I saw people get drugs. You were on the list.
Mike VO :You already on the list even back then. Always.
Roy Merritt :Always, I think everybody that lived in dorms got drug tested? Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, I live down the road and the house like I you know, I was from there like you, you know, so, I, I didn't I didn't have to get into any of that. But I don't remember taking a drug test.
Unknown Speaker :Obviously, I never did this.
Roy Merritt :It was a mouth swab. Was it I kinda remember doing I might have done what the kids are calling it. But you know, there's there's a lot of information thrown at you and when there is
Jason Widger :his his thing is is is some classes. They're set up where there's a lot of information In a short period of time and some of you don't get it you don't get it and there's no way to catch up
Roy Merritt :yeah right well suppose screamin Eagle two which would it was then I don't know. I hear that that it's a little different now they don't go into all of the stuff in dyno tuning and screaming Eagle two like we did
Mike VO :I think they only had one screaming Eagle now Oh
Jason Widger :yeah, what I went through there was a one and two we were working on evos and we were doing timing and and we were doing the the lag between the the breather gear and all stuff like that. So we had one and two so we had six weeks of it. But yeah, I don't need a date they changed it when I pretty much left in online to go to HDU they were doing different things and screaming go to it. I don't remember what they were doing but they were changing in a completely
Roy Merritt :Yeah, we had wolves screaming Eagle one was the dyno and screaming Eagle two was Bob drap I think when I was in there, and you know, drops class was flow bench and formulas for everything. So we got into making we built a pretty nasty 128 fat boy here, it's 150 horsepower torque. And we could not find an exhaust that could handle what we had built.
Mike VO :I told you our store was 2712, right?
Unknown Speaker :1624 Yeah,
Roy Merritt :so we actually built our own exhaust in shop. And it works flow. You know, it works great. It performs great. So Mike and Aaron had sat down and worked out all of these numbers and stuff. And I said, Okay, you want to see how close you are? And they're like, What do you mean? I said, Well, I'm gonna go grab my book, and I grabbed my screaming Eagle book from drap. And we sat down and with the intake valve size and all that stuff, you get primary length and you know your exhaust length. And we were within like, a half an inch of everything that we measured, and I was like, dude, you guys are right on track. You know what I mean? It was like, right on track and when it finally got Put together and put on the bike it was you know exactly what we wanted out of it and it sounds nice. Oh Mike nice. This is the loudest Milwaukee questions
Aaron Staudinger :all about to get the very first set of fat boy BST wheels put on it. Yeah. Amen. If Africa Yeah, if they ever shipped the damn thing Yeah, we sent
Roy Merritt :we sent this guy's fat boy wheels to BST so that they could mock up a set of carbon fiber wheels for us.
Unknown Speaker :Oh, nice. You know how much that rear wheel weighs? I'm sure yeah,
Aaron Staudinger :yeah, so yeah, in the game. We're gonna get out of that.
Jason Widger :Oh my God, that's gonna be insane.
Mike VO :Yeah, how do we get rid of those guys that are early? What the ones that put 300 pounds.
Unknown Speaker :Yeah.
Unknown Speaker :I'm telling ya.
Mike VO :And they're like, this is this is the shit.
Roy Merritt :I don't know, man. they they they push that limit to jail. Who knows what else is gonna happen? So we put
Shane Langdon :loopholes in it to lighten it up.
Jason Widger :Yeah, it'll help with when?
Mike VO :Yeah, you know, they They had the solid wheel what in like the 90s. And then they were like, oh man, these things get blown over the place. So then they made the shotgun wheels. So that there was some airflow. I don't think any of those people work for Harley anymore. Yeah, and then they're
Unknown Speaker :solid. Yeah, solid rear would be cool. I think
Roy Merritt :like, like we I see a lot of stuff go back to like, well, they already figured this out. Why aren't we just doing what we did then? And it's got to be because those guys are gone. Well, so there's a really good example of this. If you go into the museum, and you're walking through there, and fuckin fuckin and you're walking through there and you get to where they were selling scooters and stuff in like the 50s and 60s, I think it was. They have this big thing. You listen to it. And it's like, yeah, the small bikes accounted for over 30% of our sales during that time, right? Mm hmm. And I'm sitting here thinking, don't you I have the answer to what we need to do right? Right, like right maybe we need to go back to making small bikes that are cheap you know no you don't stop making what you're making but we you know and they tried to do that with the street yeah they did
Mike VO :but they but they but they like fucked it up
Unknown Speaker :No wait
Mike VO :no they went they went like three quarters of the way in and then they're like we're tired it's
Jason Widger :it's good enough
Roy Merritt :yeah when they put it out they said they were gonna do all kinds of performance at shit they never did
Mike VO :do anything.
Roy Merritt :Yeah, it has a lot of potential nothing It does for nothing out there for it well but but there's I mean if you want to spend 35 grand you can have Vance and Hines bill build you a really cool tracker bike on one right
Mike VO :but if you're going to if you're going to make a new engine or liquid cooled engine Why take 30 year old technology and call it something new Why don't you know like Indian fucking smoke doesn't that
Jason Widger :and and all they did was you wait wait, wait, wait, wait Wait, you mean Polaris Yeah.
Unknown Speaker :Yeah. somebody that's funny because
Roy Merritt :the episode that's coming out on the first of our last episode, that's one of the things that Mike's got into we were talking about defunct motorcycles. And Mike said, I don't give a fuck what you say. Indian is a fucking default motorcycle. Because all that shit is paid by players.
Unknown Speaker :Victory different pinstripes? Yeah,
Jason Widger :I trolled them so bad on their Instagram and their Facebook. And they both have a new bike. I'm like, nice jetski, bro.
Unknown Speaker :That's awesome.
Mike VO :But but there's there's certain things that they've done that they've hit the market when we should have hit the market. And like when that's
Roy Merritt :the only thing you've done, right? Is that 1200?
Mike VO :Yeah, but it was our opportunity.
Roy Merritt :Yes. So it's really just that new platform the Bronx to 1275. The What is he 99 nine
Jason Widger :set 935
Roy Merritt :nine. So that's a 975 and the 1250 Do whatever it is. If they do that platform properly
Jason Widger :that will sell. Yeah, they will. Absolutely. And if you if you remember that concept that they have like a white looking 48 like that concept one, if that is makes permission I'm buying it. I
Roy Merritt :don't care that I really want the sport the adventure tour.
Unknown Speaker :America.
Unknown Speaker :I like the Street Fighter looking boy
Mike VO :I love that every picture of the pan America he's jumping something. Yeah.
Jason Widger :They actually had one at Geno Avenue we went and looked at it all of us are drooling over like oh my god, can we get one on our fleet? Please? I want to take one off in the dirt. Come on. Please. Please, please please please. So
Roy Merritt :what do you know about
Jason Widger :you I stop right there. Stop right there. You know I can't talk about anything.
Unknown Speaker :You McGregor
Aaron Staudinger :have a cocktail and relax.
Roy Merritt :McGregor and Charlie? Yeah, a
Unknown Speaker :long way around way.
Roy Merritt :Yeah. Have you seen me those long way round or long way?
Jason Widger :I've never watched any it. No there. Super cool they just did
Roy Merritt :Long Way up but I'm sure you probably know this. But they rode from the tip of South America to like Alaska or something on live okay. Really the live wires were done up like the
Unknown Speaker :Erica.
Roy Merritt :They were lifted. Yeah, they had dead the pan America suspension. They were lifted and had bags on them. Nice and through. Yeah, Mike's got pictures because they went through Scottsdale where mike mike used to work and they stopped there for service. And the guys there were texting. He texted Mike like oh my God, look at this. And they made it you know, so they went from the tip of South America to Alaska on lighters done I like it. And I'm like, Dude, why don't we have a model of the Livewire like that too. That'd be fucking
Unknown Speaker :Well it might be right or a version of it.
Roy Merritt :So if you haven't listened to any of our podcasts, I don't know but we're pretty big proponents on the Livewire. Nice. That is kind of a big deal. Yeah, they're they're pretty amazing bikes once you get to ride one Exactly. Especially when you get to take one apart, put it back together and then ride one. It just it is an absolutely amazing motor. So
Unknown Speaker :looking at it
Shane Langdon :Yeah, it's pretty cool then we'll go ride one and then we had some local cops come in and do some service and they're looking at Livewire and they're like, ah, and loaded up with their belts on all we're like, dude, take it around the block that came back and like, holy shit, man, this
Unknown Speaker :is awesome.
Jason Widger :Yeah, we did. We were the first ones, of course to take the bikes apart and take them for test rides and stuff like that. And we started doing a new class. And we were talking about them and stuff. And everybody keep asking me what what do you think? What do you think? Do you have 30 grand? They're like, No, I'm like, don't ride one. Yeah, you know?
Aaron Staudinger :Absolutely. It's a parking lot. And I wanted one. So
Roy Merritt :there's been some really good like, articles, where guys have compared the Live Wire to the new SRF zero and things like that. Mm hmm. And pretty much everyone says that that live wire is better than one guy right? Do you ride the Livewire? So I think I think right now the only bike out there that maybe is a close competition for the Livewire is the dayman motorcycle and I don't know Jason if you've heard much about the dayman motorcycle Never heard of it. Okay so they're Canadian company they just bought mission motorcycles and they are producing an electric bike that is 200 there What is it 200 miles to to charge 200 horsepower and 200 miles an hour and it's got gears i think i don't think it's a you know one gear like the Livewire but it it scans the road in front of you. It's supposed to be the smartest motorcycle on the planet and if you get a chance to look them up, Damon they're beautiful bikes with amazing stats, the first release that they did, I think was $40,000 The first mile they released but you're also talking about faster everything than the Live Wire you know more button candidate. You are not getting you know we talked about this we actually did an episode about the The Live Wire. What you're not getting is the dealer support. Yeah, right exactly. You know that when you factor in infrastructure into the price of the bike, the Livewire is priced exactly where it should be feels like a Harley.
Aaron Staudinger :I was super frickin surprised. Like every time you get on a Harley, it feels like a Harley. Even that speeder bike. Just there is such a difference between a metric bike and a Harley. It just feels different.
Jason Widger :I agree. Well, we think that those are the lighter wire is the one thing about the Livewire that I don't like it you can change it is the region. Yeah, when I left when I left PDC I had on rain mode. And by the time I left the parking lot I had on race motorsport mode and when When I went to stop, I didn't even have to touch the brake pedal, the region was so much, yes. If you could customize it on the fly, then I would love to that region off and go from there. But man, that bike is so insanely powerful man, I love that thing. So
Roy Merritt :I ride in 83. And I ride it at 100 miles an hour, all the time. So I'm used to when you let off the gas, it just wanted to be like, they didn't pull you down. So that region felt very familiar when I when I wrote it, you know, we have a couple here and we like to rip him around every once in a while. But, you know, this is, you know, back to the MMI thing. You know, the reason that a lot of us the people that are still working in the industry. Well, there's 600 dealers in the United States, you got to figure each one's got at least one or two technicians. You know, there's a lot of guys out there but the reason that I got into this and the reason that I have a passion for this is writing and things like the Live Wire, ignite that Passion. Absolutely. Because, you know, I have people come in all the time. Well, that's not going to replace my Street Glide. Nope. It's not
Unknown Speaker :the whole different animal.
Roy Merritt :Yeah, it is. It is something completely different than anything you've ever written before. It is a whole new ballgame. It is a different experience. It is something that you cannot describe until you get on it and write it. And that's why I went to MMI. That's why I got into this business was, you know, I have that passion for writing. And I have that passion for new and cool things. And let's face it, man, there are not many better companies out there than Harley Davidson when it comes to motorcycles. Oh, no. Yeah. You know, we wrote I'm sure we all rode sport bikes for a while. Yeah, if I was going on sport bike, am I getting on r1 or saw Zuki? Suzuki's or you wrote a Suzuki, didn't you Jason?
Jason Widger :Yeah, I had six or 750 years ago. See? That's
Unknown Speaker :what I used to bro. I just
Unknown Speaker :gotta do your badass. Yeah,
Mike VO :sorry. I'm a bandit. So Harley Davidson and Suzuki yeah
Aaron Staudinger :question man as it applies to like the passion they're always talking about like a lot of the passion comes from the end of performance and in your vast knowledge of what's going on with the Livewire, what do you see in the future? Especially for us guys here at store number 2202 that are
Unknown Speaker :what could What do you see in the future
Aaron Staudinger :for maybe reprogramming or doing something with an ability to really make that thing reach? Its full?
Roy Merritt :That's all gonna be aftermarket.
Jason Widger :Alright, so So you want me to give you the Harley answer. Are you okay, so Harley so the Harley Motor Company answer is that's not an approved fitment sir, and if you do need to the bike, you're gonna void your warranty. Exact however,
Aaron Staudinger :they're telling us store number 22 that say if the warranty
Unknown Speaker :we can get
Jason Widger :so if we think about Like the the Tesla and the BMW electric and stuff like that they're doing things with those cars that are insane. absolutely insane what they're doing in the program of those cars. Now is there a way around on the Harley? Probably because I have no idea about it, but there's probably somebody out there that do some crazy things with those bikes already. I mean, have you seen the laidlaw's video where they're got a knobby tire? I'm sorry, pal tire on there went to the sand. No, no. Glamis down south. Yes. So if you think it's on laidlaw's YouTube or something like that, but yeah, they put a paddle tire on and they're going to the sand. There's also a drag racer somewhere out there that's wheelie in one and about like 10 o'clock just cooking it down the road. So there are people doing things, these bikes that are insane, but I don't even know what they're doing. I don't know what they're going to start with on them what kind of performance is coming out or nothing? If you look at I mean, there are videos all over the place of guys with these Tesla's that are just making absolutely ridiculous power. They figured out ways to kind of crack into that and make that thing actually reach you know what it could be? Do
Unknown Speaker :I'm very curious to see what can be
Roy Merritt :when I was in Milwaukee that doing the Live Wire class and that was six months ago or so it's been a little while. Um, I had joked with the guys that they're even heard now. I said, Man, I can't wait till some fucking nerd with the computer gets ahold of this thing. And they laugh You know, they're there. They're in the same boat. You know that I'm not allowed to say this. But yeah.
Mike VO :Yeah, but I don't know the world we live in today. The nerds with computers are afraid of motorcycles because they're dangerous. Well, no, no, we need them. Yeah, we need them. It's over here in the corner.
Aaron Staudinger :I program my bike and watch me go fast.
Mike VO :I think girlfriend I think it Harley brace what God I think of Harley Davidson just embraced what got us where we are now, racing, which is what we're doing in store 1872 we're saying fuck you fuck your rules. I mean, we're killing it. Yeah, well, both. ships are falling, their numbers are falling, their sales are falling everything and they're just toeing the line and they're their own bar dealers and they're just like
Roy Merritt :sucking as well those people can't do what we're doing because no because you know yeah we say we say fuck you, but we don't say fuck you because we're not pulling we're not pulling anything over on the Motor Company. We're building our own motors and we're warranting them ourselves right? That is different than saying right you
Jason Widger :know and there's been a couple of dealerships are doing the exact same thing.
Mike VO :Exactly saying fuck you it's saying fuck you to the mainstream because we don't want the people that are like well I really think about getting a Harley Davidson but they're so loud you know we want the guys are like can I really on this? Yeah.
Unknown Speaker :Yeah,
Mike VO :then I'm in the right place
Shane Langdon :on the bike so we build can wheelie because all they do is break through tirely spin the tire. Yeah,
Mike VO :but you know, but but our attitude. And Harley Davidson as a motor company has lost the attitude that they talk about having Yeah, you No they didn't like we have this huge attitude but we want to cater to this new group of people that isn't into motorcycles. Well why don't you just cater to the fucking millions that already are? And and and we have we aren't Suzuki, we aren't Yamaha. We aren't Polaris because we're fucking Harley Davidson.
Jason Widger :So let's talk I'll give you I'll answer that with one word. It's six letters and starts with the D.
Mike VO :racket dollar dollar. I like
Unknown Speaker :it's all about the
Jason Widger :dragons better I
Roy Merritt :know, you know, and, and I agree. I agree. Because what sells Harley davidsons
Mike VO :is the bad boy attitude.
Roy Merritt :Well, yeah, is that look into the fact that you know, really no to look the same. I know what I mean, like everybody. And I talked to a lot of guys guys that come from the metric side into, you know, our world. And I'm like, Yeah, man, how many times did you roll up to the Kawasaki dealership to find out what was new and cool for your bike? Yeah, huh?
Jason Widger :Amazing. Extending the parking lot that are green and black.
Roy Merritt :Yeah, yeah. And then right in the same breath, all right, whoa. When did that dealership for anything other than an oil change or tire service? Yeah, sure. Well never exact changes, but that is what we're different. So that's Harley now. But they're trying. They tried with the softail standard with the, with the touring bike standard.
Mike VO :So they call it the standard. No, it's the latest. Like, why didn't like Jamie Jamie, our owner was so right. Why didn't they call it the alley glide? Why don't they come out with a name? Why don't they come out with a name? That actually means something? We're going to come up with this brand new bike. It's a softail standard.
Roy Merritt :It's the lowest but how many people want to buy a Ferrari Ferrari base model?
Unknown Speaker :Yeah.
Jason Widger :I have the flh t standard. So I don't want to hear shit from you. Yeah, no, no, it's yours.
Roy Merritt :Yeah. He wants us Standard.
Jason Widger :Yeah, yeah. I mean, the thing is too is they went back to the roots, you know, they had the old standard Twin Cam, you know, touring bike with, you know, I don't remember bill birch or not remember, like he had a standard he put a tour bag on the head came up with a softail standard many, many many moons ago. So that's where they kind of brought it back, you know, the nostalgic kind of feel. But yeah, I kind of get it you know, name it something else.
Mike VO :Yeah, yeah, maybe, you know, like they came out with the softail low or the softail s? Yes. Which was basically like the Dyna s, but it's a little darker brown wheels, which was good, because the baby poop was a terrible color. Yeah, I know that that was a throwback to you know,
Unknown Speaker :but writers don't know the throwbacks? Yeah,
Unknown Speaker :they don't take any of those names. And the ones that
Mike VO :do can't afford the motorcycles anyway. Yeah, sure. Cuz they still have those old bikes. You know, like, all those guys are like evil's best motorcycle Harley ever came out with that's because they can't afford anything new. Because if you ride if you write an EVO, and then you write a Twin Cam, especially after like, 2002 there's an When you're gonna go back and go, man, this fucking evil is killing it. Not gonna happen exactly. And then it built Yeah. And then if you write a 103, even if it's versus your 88, and then you write a 110 versus your 103 and then you ride a 117 versus the 110 and then you ride the base, the very first and then you ride now like the specials, or any of the one for teens, and then the one there's no way you're gonna go back and go, this is so much better than what's going on now. No way. I mean, no, no, no reasonable sane person is all
Roy Merritt :the diner bros to talk shit about the new softail will get their asses waxed.
Mike VO :Oh yeah, they'll get killed
Roy Merritt :every category. So you know, we build we build a lot of motors here and do a lot of stuff and I did a was a gear drive for 65 and a newer Milwaukee heritage. softail 114. Okay, Holy fucking shit. Yeah, that is an amazing bike. That new heritage handles and ride it almost Better than any other sucks because it's not the look I like
Unknown Speaker :it looks like a heritage
Unknown Speaker :when you write a
Jason Widger :fucking thing with like the tires up first second third and was I swear to god that was one of the fastest bikes I've ever written and oh it will we actually have one in our fleet. Our demo fleet that we can ride has stage three in it with street cannons on it. And you can't keep someone off that bike. They want to take it for three months at a time. Yeah, we'll give them a week. And I mean, I haven't written it but everyone's loving the power of these bikes. I'm just like, Alright, cool, man. Write it. Hey, Jason. I run your
Mike VO :stage three guests. Rc three, four Pink's, Oh, hell yeah.
Jason Widger :Today, yeah, today, let me go in the rain.
Roy Merritt :Yeah. So you know we're doing you know we're doing 128 It's a basic build is 140 plus tour, hundred 20 plus horsepower, you know, just a 128 week cams where we're at So many people that are 22 Yeah, he, you know, we get so many people come in I want to 131 and we're like, how do you feel about warranty? Yeah, and they're like what? What do you mean? Okay, if you are totally focused on warranty then yes, we will build you a 131 but we're all harley parts that's the only way we're building a 131 all harley parts mufflers intake everything. If you don't want to go all harley parts and you are not worried about warranty, we will build you a nasty fucking motor. But we have to have that talk with every customer. Right? You know, right. Absolutely.
Mike VO :That's some point. I might have to talk to you. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Right. Like in legit like, hey, this mug
Jason Widger :I got I got piston scuff. What can I do? Yeah,
Unknown Speaker :these jets are goddamn bullshit.
Jason Widger :Well, there's a there's a dealer out there. I'm not gonna mention his name. He's actually a really good friend of mine. I have worked for him when I was done in Orlando. And they're building one 31 and 128 or whatever and they're putting power visions on them, and they're getting 150s 160s out of these engines like it's not like it's nobody's business but I'm I asked him I said, Hey, how are you doing this? You know, power visions, flagging your venue warranty and everything. They're like, we're carrying take care of warranty here as long as they do other services. I'm like, yeah, sweet.
Roy Merritt :There you go. One of their lead techs is from our shop. Yeah, I know.
Unknown Speaker :Yeah. And he's one of the leads
Unknown Speaker :that was seminal.
Unknown Speaker :Well, while he worked at Cisco, they work. Yes. The
Mike VO :you talk about Hey, Chris.
Jason Widger :Hey, Chris. Wow.
Roy Merritt :I know exactly. Yeah. I was trying not to be specific about things but um, you know, they're there. You know, there was a guy he's down there. He's actually a seminar. Now. That's what I thought you're talking about.
Mike VO :You got to try to teach me how awesome 53 was. Yeah,
Roy Merritt :yeah, it's the you know, but in the end
Unknown Speaker :These Milwaukee eight motors are amazing.
Unknown Speaker :They are
Roy Merritt :absolutely still have not found the full potential. Oh, no, no, no. Easy builds that 150 you know? Absolutely. And, you know, we we, we have a very large customer base. And we've had the ability to experiment a lot. So you know that we've done just about every cam just about every set up. And now we're trying new stuff. And, you know, we've been getting into doing our own thing, our own cams, our own exhaust our own stuff. You know, that's in the works right now. But, you know, in the end, the performance bagger is back, you know, there was a time when the performance bagger was a big deal and then it kind of petered off for a little while.
Aaron Staudinger :I love it, whatever, whenever it gets rid of big wheel.
Jason Widger :Thank you. Thank you, you
Aaron Staudinger :know, I don't
Roy Merritt :big wheel baggers or for sitting in the garage. God I hate those things. And in the shop because they always need to be fucking worked on
Aaron Staudinger :Yeah, huh? Hey man my fork extensions have disconnected from the top of my forks for the third time. Yeah, I do how many of those of you did this stupid fork extension?
Mike VO :American suspension? Yeah.
Roy Merritt :Oh my god garbage.
Jason Widger :So there actually is fork extensions. Oh
Roy Merritt :yes. So they put four inch four inch screw in caps on these boards and then they rake them out so that there's even more pressure on that extension. Oh my god they break every time and we do a lot of we put we just put longer tubes in it so so yeah, the seam is halfway.
Mike VO :And guess what? john paul found out that Baghdad sells longer teams built ready to go to Baghdad. Baghdad Baghdad, so they sell long Jolla they sell for inch over tubes already assembled.
Unknown Speaker :Yeah.
Aaron Staudinger :None of that fucking matters. Aided
Unknown Speaker :Yeah, big wheel bagger so God
Mike VO :Yeah, they do. I hate him. Thank god like,
Jason Widger :that's like a dog to the motorcycle world guys.
Roy Merritt :Actually, dogs are kind of cool. Big Blue packers are not
Mike VO :dogs or not you look at dogs and you're like wow the wheels and tires cost more than that the whole car
Roy Merritt :Yeah, yes. Well
Aaron Staudinger :yeah man so I'm refreshing to see that guys you know come and ask for stuff and they don't care what it looks like they don't care really what it sounds like they they they say tell me what's going to give me the most power so it's taken us the last two years
Roy Merritt :to get us to a point where we are telling people what they want right yeah you know we get so many people to come in I want this I want that and everybody pretty much cheers train now to say no, that's not what you nice if that's what you want, then you can go somewhere else. We only do what we think is going to be best you know the guys come in and like I want this Vance and Hines x pipe and blah blah blah. We're like cool, good Boswell's
Aaron Staudinger :build, you know, it's gonna line up against somebody at some point because they're gonna find out I came from here, and if it doesn't perform, it's only as good as the last one we built. Exactly. Oh, if it gets its ass spanked. You look like shit. Yeah. And I'm not gonna let it out of here and neither will Mike.
Roy Merritt :He started my buddy had one more horsepower. Yeah. Oh God, we get into that all the time. So that's another that's another ideology, if you will that we've fought against which is horsepower, luck horsepower you don't give exactly horsepower is a made up fucking number. It's a calculation it means nothing. What you want is torque and we preach this every day. So a lot of our builds, if you look at our dyno graphs and stuff are, you know, 110 hundred 20 foot pounds at fucking 2000 RPMs you know, and it's awesome. And then it just lifts and carries all the way out from there. And when people ride that they're like, Oh my god, and we're like, yeah, I've been trying to tell you, you don't get the peak number you don't there's not enough RPM range on a Harley to really get into horsepower. Right, you're running out the RPM so quick horsepower doesn't really matter.
Jason Widger :You're redlining when you're hitting peak anyway. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker :yeah. It's right when you shift.
Unknown Speaker :Yeah, exactly.
Roy Merritt :Well, so I know we've been on the phone for a while and and I'll let you go. But you know, I will give you a plug. I know you and your wife. There was a joy. Is that right?
Jason Widger :Yeah, she sitting right here next to me. Yeah. So you
Roy Merritt :guys just started a YouTube channel, correct?
Jason Widger :Yeah. So it's called the j&j story. What it is, is she started it just to kind of, you know, let the world see what we're kind of going through with getting her whole green card and stuff like that. So we're just doing you know, her Green Card process. You know, me she's got me cooking Thai food. Now, since I moved to Milwaukee a little over a year and a half ago, I didn't go out anywhere because I wanted to wait for her. It's well, I moved here. I moved back stateside. Yeah, December of 18. So I moved up here January 3 of last year, but I didn't do anything because I wanted her to see things for the first time. So now we're doing all these videos of her seeing the Lake Michigan. We're going to go Down to everything that we can imagine. So we're just just like the whole process of us seeing everything and doing everything together and letting her see America for the first time because it's funny cuz she got here in October of last year. And she got here right when it was starting to fall, and now everything's turning green. So every time we go out somewhere, she's like, oh, page look, Yellow Page. Look at Elizabeth green, because she hasn't seen it yet. Yeah, because he's all been snowing and everything. So it's just something that we're doing, you know, for her family and friends back home to see you know what she's going through. And then if people that are interested in doing the visa process and stuff like that, they can see what the kind of steps are and what we have to go through and kind of get everything going that way. My
Roy Merritt :wife gets kind of a cool, my wife's an immigrant, she went through that to her 15 years to get her genius. That was when when we met and finally got married, they like around the time that we actually got married was around the time she got approved for citizenship. So it didn't matter. It was like you know, she had already started it. She started it like as a young kid. teenager, you know, and it took like 15 years and quite a bit of money to get in there and it you know, right. It is not easy. And it's a it's an amazing process. And I was kind of curious to see what kind of if there was any kind of culture shock or you know, really how she felt coming from Thailand, Milwaukee?
Jason Widger :Well, she Well, I mean, for me going from Florida to Thailand was it was a huge shock for me, because I was thinking everything was kind of like just a bunch of temples and open area and stuff like that. And it was nothing to do like that. Oh, yeah. She's used to everything being like super close. And you know, you'd have to go out of the city to see these kind of trees and stuff like that. Well, okay. I think that back there's a lot of trees that they caught, but when we were driving from Chicago, who I picked her up back over here, you know, she was like everything so open, the traffic is so nice and, and she did it. She did a video. It's all in Thai a couple of days ago, talking about the eight things or 10 things that kind of shocked her when she got here and one of the things that she said was, is that she's it's it's funny Everybody here so nice. Like when you guys call tech services we say hey man, what's going on? How are you? Over there? If you say that that people in Thai they think you're weird, like why are you talking to me like this? Why are you asking me if I'm okay? Yeah. If we walk down the street somewhere and we see someone walking toward us like on the sidewalk, we say, Hey, how are you know the only answer back in Thailand? They don't say anything to anybody. Don't even say hi.
Roy Merritt :like New York? Yeah.
Jason Widger :Yeah. So she's, she's, she's getting new. So everything is here, you know, um, she is kind of, you know, still getting used to the differences between Thai and American and you know, the metric system versus what we use and stuff like that. So it's, it's kind of it's kind of it was hard for her at first, but now she's getting better with it. And we had a discussion about this the other day to wear with me I'm so used to doing things the American way. And I took for granted that she had no idea what a pound was. She knew what a kilo was, but not a pound. Yeah. So you know, just the simple things that we We take for granted and you know, for some people, it's a whole new experience form.
Roy Merritt :Yeah, absolutely. It was super interesting. And I'd seen it pop up and I actually told my wife about it because, you know, it's it. Those kinds of perspectives are what people are looking for, you know, so
Mike VO :I have a question. Absolutely. When you took her to the safe house, did you tell her the password? We haven't gone to the safe house. Okay, so there's not another password. So when you do will you film it and not password so you can go through and then watch.
Unknown Speaker :Follow that up with fuck the safe house. Awesome.
Roy Merritt :Dad, so if you've never been there for 10 fucking years, all I've heard about is when you go to Milwaukee, you have to go to the safe house, you have to go to safe house, you have to go to the Safe, safe houses. So I finally got to go to Milwaukee. And I went to the fucking safe house. And I sat at the fucking bar for 20 goddamn minutes and not a fucking person looked at me. And I finally got up and walked out and I went to the guy in the front room and I Like your fucking service here sucks. I've been dying to come here for 10 fucking years. And I get here and I sat there for 25 goddamn right now. Oh yeah. And I couldn't even get a beer and the guy was like, Well, are you Sorry, bro? And no, no resolution, no nothing and the guy was like, Well, sorry. And I left and that was the end of that was like, Oh wow, you just fucking ruin the safe house for
Mike VO :me. So the whole time you're sitting there were you too pissed off to realize that the seats go up and down?
Roy Merritt :They weren't they weren't even
Unknown Speaker :realize that the bar moves up and down.
Roy Merritt :This guy's far too angry to let it Yeah, I mean I did nobody I knew there and talk to him for a little while and I finally I was like, dude, dude, how do we get served around here? And he's like, man, the bartenders right there. And I was like, Yeah, I've been sitting here for 15 minutes and he's like, Yeah, dude, I don't know what's going on. I'm like me neither. We talked for another 10 minutes and I finally looked at him and I said, Charlie, man, I need a beer. I'm leaving. He's like, Yeah, I don't blame you. And I got up and left. Oh, so
Jason Widger :Next time next time the next time you come to Milwaukee want to go and I'll have you have a better time okay? And you're
Mike VO :like yeah, and you'll go to the bathroom and end up outside like what the
Roy Merritt :fuck? I mean I walked all around Milwaukee it was it was great. I walked all around walk he's cool fucking town man there's just cool shit yeah I hit some fucking weird ass Irish pubs and all kinds of
Mike VO :you go to the they have that what's what's a stupid Chicago at the Blackhawks bar they have like a dedicated like a bar that's all Blackhawks and we I was there one time and it was a hockey game we walked into they're like, are you Blackhawks fan? And we're like, I don't know. And
Roy Merritt :if you come in here,
Mike VO :I want to drink and they're like, if you don't like the Blackhawks get out, I'm like, I love the blackout. Nice.
Unknown Speaker :Yeah, it's fun. Yeah, love it.
Jason Widger :Yeah, love basketball. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker :basketball rock.
Unknown Speaker :Jordan A three pointer. Yeah.
Mike VO :Usually the bouncers like let me see your ID like you like the Blackhawks. Yeah. I don't know. I should. I should. I don't know. I'm legal. I'm legal. I
Aaron Staudinger :just want a goddamn drink. I like I like that.
Roy Merritt :I mean the walkies to drink it down for sure they like to create Is
Jason Widger :it is it a lot? It's a lot of breweries and stuff here too. It's kind of crazy how much stuff is here? We're drinking Miller right now.
Roy Merritt :You know, I grew up in Florida and I never left. never went anywhere did leave. I mean, but for a long time, I didn't. Okay. And one of my first I didn't leave till I left
Unknown Speaker :one of my third on own.
Roy Merritt :I had gone to New York and I had experienced New York which was a culture shock, you know, just totally weird to me. And I went to Vancouver, also God and awesome town to Vancouver's fucking New York. It's crazy. It's crazy is fucked, and I had no idea I'm thinking, you know, you don't know any better. So I'm down in Florida. I'm picking up Canada. There. You up there, and I get to Vancouver and that is a big fucking city skyscrapers everywhere fucking, you name it, it's there. And I was like we rolled in, you know, coming in and you kind of come over the mountain and look down on Vancouver and I was like, holy shit, I did not expect this, you know, and you get in there and it's just a different world. Totally different. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker :Where the dogs lives in the minors. Yeah,
Roy Merritt :yeah, it was expected. And it's the same way you're Thailand. Other places you go like that. You kind of have these ideas in your head as to what's there and then you get there and you're like, Oh, wait, this is like a normal fucking city. You know?
Aaron Staudinger :Like Santa Ana, California north.
Jason Widger :Yeah. I was expecting so much different stuff when I got there. And my first meal when I got to Thailand was Burger King. Yeah.
Mike VO :What What do they call the Whopper, the Whopper.
Jason Widger :They had the metric system, but they don't do all kinds of crazy stuff like in France. It was an ROI.
Roy Merritt :I love it wears huge nose buff so
Jason Widger :what's what's funny is I actually went to Paris with my mom and my sister like four years ago and we walked into a McDonald's on the chandeliers a and we walked in just to see it say L'Oreal which you took a picture of and walked out
Roy Merritt :that's all I'm like. Really is a Royale with cheese motherfucker. Look
Jason Widger :at that. It's awesome. It is so funny.
Roy Merritt :Well, man, I appreciate you calling in today and I know not a problem on the phone for a while. And what was the name of your YouTube channel with your with your girl, Jay, Jay Jay and Jay story, the j&j story.
Jason Widger :Yeah. And like I said, we've got like six videos up right now. We're trying to do at least one a week, maybe two a week. I got some stuff in my head, which I want to do once you know once this whole China virus is over. We're gonna go explore the city some more and put some more videos. Hey, man,
Roy Merritt :yes, yeah. I don't know about you, but I had that fucking Corona virus in November. So
Unknown Speaker :why do you Why do you change virus because it's from China. Yes.
Jason Widger :Exactly. Like the swine flu. The Spanish flu is from Spain.
Roy Merritt :Oh, yeah. No I had that shit November I think everybody else so does a
Jason Widger :bunch of guys that work too there were there were guys are four or five days out sick and so it's already ran through but
Roy Merritt :yeah, we were way too late on this one but that's a whole different discussion.
Jason Widger :Exactly. That's now that next week, right? Yeah.
Mike VO :But your cycles in the age of COVID. Here you go.
Roy Merritt :Hey, you know what, though, in the end us here especially we have missed a beat. We had this big dragon crank and I've been working my ass off all of a sudden I got a bunch of extra money from the government is good. I'm not playing. Well. I mean, we haven't missed a beat. Yeah.
Jason Widger :Yeah, I don't work it from I'm working from home the whole time. I mean, they sent us home. I think I had to work on a Tuesday. They sent me home with a laptop Wednesday had some connection problems, but I've been working either on the living room floor in the bedroom on my desk is all the whole time so we have a beard. Yeah, that's awesome.
Roy Merritt :That's what I've been. Like warranty, they're like, well, I don't know, I'm working from home right now. And I'm like, well, we'll see. I talked to Jason and he's like, I'm working home for now. Or I think you posted something. I don't remember what it was. But shortly thereafter, I had called and talked to his warranty or one of those people and I was like, Oh, are you working from home too? And she was like, What are you? Yeah, and I was like, Okay, cool. You know, I try to keep it professional.
Jason Widger :But it is kind of cool the system that we do have it work for us back and forth of warranty and stuff like that. Yeah, that's kind of weird. I say let me transfer you to this person and then also transfer them to their home wherever the hell they are like, Hi, that's weird. Yeah.
Mike VO :Yeah, cuz it is weird. Cuz like you call the number and you're still pretty sure when we call in we're still calling the switchboard of Milwaukee. Yeah. Mm hmm. And, yeah, from there, it's like, you know, I talked to Steve the other day, and he's like, I don't know why you're talking to me. And I was like, I don't know. I don't know why. I didn't. Why didn't know I could even get the tech services through warranty. Yeah,
Roy Merritt :yeah, they can go you wherever. Yeah,
Mike VO :yeah. And he's like, No, you just call me I gotcha. He's like, you just need to make a pure D claim. And I'm like,
Roy Merritt :Alright, that sounds great, man. I don't know what that is. Oh, I know, Jason. Jason's gonna have a direct number to him because every time I call him calling him like, hey, man know what sucks is now I do or not you do you got a phone number. So Oh, yeah, well, I wouldn't do that for work anyway.
Mike VO :I think I you know, I think that it's awesome to have an asset. Like you guys. And I it's got to be way more frustrating for you than it is for me. Yeah. Because Yeah, you have to deal with people that when you're like, Did you check the fuse? And they're like,
Unknown Speaker :I think I did.
Mike VO :And they're like, Okay, well run check it. Yeah, yeah, go check to see and then they come back and are like, fuses blown. Like Okay.
Unknown Speaker :Can I get quite a time?
Roy Merritt :No, you can I get quality time.
Mike VO :Yeah, you know, we don't we don't have to deal with that. You know, I mean, the hardest part for us is like, you like jumping through the hoops like, I know they're gonna want this they're gonna want this right and, you know, normally I wouldn't write it down like yeah, the compression and leak down. I don't write it down unless I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna call tech services. I'm gonna write the damn numbers down. Right?
Jason Widger :Yeah. Oh, transfer what's your transmission? Uh, the number
Unknown Speaker :yeah seven There you go.
Jason Widger :So what's in the primary 35 getaway off route for
Unknown Speaker :port poured out all over?
Jason Widger :Yeah, there you go.
Mike VO :God so yeah, we thank you guys and yeah, man. You know, toasty man. He sounds as old as he looks.
Jason Widger :Like I like I tell everybody you know, that's what we're there for guys. You know, if you guys got issues with it, you know, please feel free to call us I tell everybody, you know when I get off the phone with them. If you Having more issues call us back, let us know we'll try to help as much as possible. So you know, I'm glad I'm glad that we you know, when when you guys call us back and tell us that what we gave you for information actually fixed the problem that makes us feel good makes me know we're doing our jobs right so just keep doing what you guys are doing and like I said, if you guys got any issues, dude, call us please. That's what we're there for sound very happy. I love my job
Unknown Speaker :to this guy. Have you seen this movie?
Jason Widger :Let's put it this way. I'm living in Milwaukee, which is a city I told myself I'd never live in because it's too damn cold. But I got my dream job. I've got a dream woman I've got a roof over my head and a motorcycle in the garage I could now do is kill COVID-19 Yes. All right. Let's do this. Come on. I can't imagine
Aaron Staudinger :how it's impacted your shit. Like you're trying to go out and tell a story about how you know you're trying to visit a man and see America. The whole damn thing has been on lockdown since like December, January. Yeah, yeah.
Jason Widger :That sucks, man. I'm sorry. We went over we went too late mission You're gonna go look at some things and they actually had all the scientists said temporarily no parking. We're like, what the fuck?
Mike VO :Yeah. Well, you know, there was a in Florida speaking of you dumb asses from Florida,
Unknown Speaker :which was kind of
Mike VO :one of the mayors of a beach town. I was listening to this on Reuters. I think it was one of the one of the coastal cities, you know, and I guess they all have like sovereignty over their sections of beaches. Mm hmm. So one of them opened it back up to swimming and surfing, but no sunbathing or walking. Was he a tent? And I was like, well, howdy. So do they launch a helicopter into the beach?
Unknown Speaker :They have a cannon and they like launch.
Unknown Speaker :Because you can't walk on the beach. How are
Unknown Speaker :you going to swim?
Jason Widger :You have to work East Coast or west coast. I don't know. I don't
Roy Merritt :know surfing the East Coast because there's surfing on the west coast.
Mike VO :Swim and so I mean,
Roy Merritt :to be honest. You live in Florida. There's not a lot of surfing. Either the wave side Florida I mean a beach us up in Florida yet until you get down to like Miami keys stuff like that they get all right but even then the waves they saw you sit there and I tried to serve for a year but
Mike VO :I loved the Florida a lot of work you were opening back up. We don't care Mondays go up. We don't care. We're doing it a herd immunity.
Unknown Speaker :Yeah, exactly. Okay, well
Roy Merritt :thank you man. Yeah, man. I appreciate you calling in man and maybe we'll get you back on for another good one.
Jason Widger :Absolutely, guys. Thanks for having me on man. Have a good one. Jc I guess that's it.
Roy Merritt :Well, that went that went pretty good.
Unknown Speaker :Still on.
Roy Merritt :Yeah. That went pretty good. Yeah, put the bottle down. He had a good perspective. And you know when it when it's all said and done. You got a perspective that we don't get. Yeah, kind of got to talk about tech services a little bit and we I don't think we had to push him into saying anything to or didn't want to but But yeah, you know, in the end is MMI worth it? Depends.
Aaron Staudinger :Sounds like it is that guy's happy as hell.
Roy Merritt :Yeah, I mean well i think he's a really no he's a really good example Okay. Um like he said he didn't know shit before he went spent five or six years in the business you know went back started teaching when to teach for hardly now he works for Harley. um you know you and I and Mike you and I can can kind of say the same things in that we have pushed our careers into management positions and you know more than just being a technician you know when it's all said and done and and and that's because we have that drive. You know, that drive that puts us to that next level but but
Unknown Speaker :I started at $12 an hour.
Roy Merritt :I started hitting $9 an hour $9 an hour's what I made as a technician. Yeah, $9 an hour. anybody listening to this that wants to become a mechanic that thinks they're going to make a lot of money. Go ahead and try something else.
Mike VO :Yeah, this is the medium books job. Um,
Roy Merritt :I've been in this 10 years and I still do not make as much money as I did in the construction business. You know, I made a fuck ton of money and obstruction. I don't do this for the money. I do this one because I love the shop that I work at and the people I work with and you know, it's it's a different atmosphere. I get to come into work and say fuck you and things like that. You know,
Mike VO :and we're stuck. You know, we're old enough now that we can't really do anything else.
Roy Merritt :Oh, yeah, I'm too old. Yeah.
Aaron Staudinger :Well, you want to get into business and you want to carve yourself out a career. If you want it bad enough, you can carve yourself out a career. Yeah. Well, I had to love it. You have to want to do it. You have to absorb it, live it and breathe it.
Roy Merritt :Well, and that's the flip side to the Zim. Am I worth it? Because you can get the same results without going in.
Aaron Staudinger :That's what I brought up earlier. I'd rather keep take somebody that has a
Unknown Speaker :shot, it's very hard. So I'd rather have somebody that comes through Mike's bootcamp with no bad exposure. So here's the problem with that.
Mike VO :It's not gonna happen.
Roy Merritt :roadie is like an anomaly roadie is a guy we have working here in the shop and he's never been to MMI he has shadowed under Mike for a couple years. But when you give roadie something new roadie doesn't necessarily understand how all the systems work. So roadies are really good parts changer and a do this do that birdie great. But when a bike rolls in that has a problem, roadie kind of struggles with diagnosis,
Unknown Speaker :you need that backbone
Roy Merritt :and that is the difference between somebody that has been taught, you know from a place like MMI and somebody else that has just learned from experience because you have to understand how it all works to diagnose and we were kind of talking about that earlier. You know, I got a bike in, and people were like, man, I don't understand what's going on every time I turn on the bike. This is a 2010 2012 every time I turn on the bike, the right blinker turns on.
Unknown Speaker :I can turn it off.
Unknown Speaker :But I can't turn it back on
Unknown Speaker :your right turn signal switch broken. Like what?
Roy Merritt :Well, if you understand how everything works, the only way that turn signal is going to come on when you turn the switch on is if you are getting voltage to the TSM, the BCM whatever it is on that bike
Unknown Speaker :from that switch. Now, does that mean the switch is bad? No.
Roy Merritt :You could have a short voltage on that wire and there are ways to test that but you You have to understand that I went into advanced electrical, which is the hardest class for technician to take. It's a master class. There are many, many, many people who have done this and failed.
Unknown Speaker :One of the only classes I've ever heard of people failing.
Roy Merritt :They have Milwaukee eight motors, they have all this stuff. And then they have 213 and prior bikes sitting in this class. Can you tune in? You got to diagnose stereo stereo problems. Exactly. Right. He's exactly right. Yeah. So you go in. And I vaguely remember this. So you have a full dresser, front and rear switches, you know, the passengers got switches and stuff, right? Well, when the passenger hits volume up, volume down goes down. When the passenger hits volume down, Volume Down goes down. What's the problem?
Aaron Staudinger :He's looking at me like I have the answer. I have no
Roy Merritt :idea. So I didn't take the funny thing is, if you were to open up a service manual and read through the initial diagnostics and the initial diagnostics for stereo, there is actually an excerpt in there that says, if a switch is However, it's put if you hit a switch and it's giving you a different function, and that same, you know, switch is giving you that function, then those wires are shorted together. Okay. So, I, you know, these classes are all about, you know, they say, Well, I don't need you to lay out every step for me. I need you to find the problem and then explain it to me. And if you can explain it to me, to where I think you understand the problem, then you pass. So I go through, I test it says, Well, these two are shorted together, so I disconnect the connector. I own the two together. Sure enough, they're shorted together. plug it back in. Right My hand. I'm done two and a half minutes.
Aaron Staudinger :So there's a definite value and a half analogy.
Roy Merritt :Yeah. So the teacher comes over with a strange look in his eyes. And it's like, you just started on this bike. How did you find this so fast? I opened up the book. And I'm like, well right here in initial diagnostics, it says this, and that these two wires are shorted together. So I pulled the connector on them. Sure enough, they're shorted together. We need to fix that and he's like, you're exactly right. boom, done. Next test. I watched people spend an hour diagnosing that problem with breakout boxes and things taken apart and I would walk by them and be like start over because you're really not supposed to help the other people. And I'd be walking by like start over start over and they're like, but I'm like, start to flip over. Your you are down the rabbit hole man, you have gone too far. That's where people go wrong is they're not paying attention to the little things, you know, 99.9% of the time it is something fucking stupid. A fuse a wire connection. something dumb when it comes to electrical. You know, what did what did you install? The problem started happening Exactly. When did this start happening? Well, it started about a month ago. Okay, what did you do to the bike?
Unknown Speaker :I put mirrors on. Oh, whoo and put new grips on.
Roy Merritt :All right, thank you. I knew the problem. Now. I know where to focus.
Unknown Speaker :I know why your brake lights always on. But
Roy Merritt :it's not like I'm super smart, electrical. It's that I read. And I read when there's and most of the time when the guys in the shop, come ask me for help. Well, I don't I don't know what to do. It's got this trouble code. Okay. Let's open up the book. Go to the beginning of that chapter. What does it say the causes of that are? Why is it tripping that code? How does it trip that code? Well, we had One that one of the guys in the shop had sent out and the guy wrote it like twice came back and the light came back on. You know, whatever. I can't remember exactly where those oxygen sensor or something. I said, Well, let's open up the book and you read right in the book and it says it takes three ignition cycles before that code will trip. Well, the technician fixes it, turns it on, Search it up and rides it no light. rides it over to the porter Bay, Porter, fires it up, washes it up, rides it around, you know what I mean? Then, then the customer gets on it, fires it up rides at home, the fucking light comes on. And he's pissed, you know? And I told her, you know, I told him, I said, Man, you need to get three ignition cycles. So you need to go out and ride this thing for about a mile, mile and a half. Stop. Shut it down, turn it back on, ride it. Do the same thing but every mile and a half, two miles. See if it comes back. Oh, it came back. Exactly. You know the manual You know, you pay so much money to learn how to learn how to save a manual right there we started. It's the starting initial diagnostics. It's to go here, it's to go there. It's how to get information, how to find out that information. That's what you're learning. You are not getting all the information, you are learning how to find that information,
Mike VO :because you don't know what's wrong. No.
Roy Merritt :And they can't know what's wrong. If they could set you up for every possible scenario. They would. But they can't. There's so many variables, you know, a broken wire or a broken connection or anything. So
Mike VO :the failures are almost always electrical now. Yeah.
Roy Merritt :Pretty much. And when they are, the computer usually puts you in a pretty good direction. You know, when it's all said and done.
Mike VO :So when I was a kid, it was mostly mechanical, but yeah, manufacturing and the way they do things now,
Roy Merritt :even then your switches are mechanical. So everything was really easy to test you know, so meter and some other shit. You know you could test everything but
Mike VO :yeah off off No.
Roy Merritt :Yet now that you have modules there is no testing is do I have power and ground? Yeah Do I have connection Canvas? Yeah, everything works but this Yep. Okay replace it.
Mike VO :Yeah, go play some module. Yeah. So check the check the check the load. Does the load work? Yeah, okay. The modules bad. Yeah. Yep.
Unknown Speaker :But ultimately worthwhile
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Shane Langdon :All right, I think that's enough for tonight.
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