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Two for the Culture
We're All Just Trying to Figure This Out
Justin and Steven dive into a wide-ranging conversation about representation, accountability, and the evolving nature of sports and relationships. They explore their weekend stories, including Justin's interview preparation and Steven's experience creating custom cologne.
• Target boycott and DEI initiatives, including the removal of Black-specific programs
• LeBron James confronting Stephen A. Smith over criticisms of his son Bronny
• How basketball has transformed from a street game to a sport requiring expensive resources
• NYPD officer appearing in a music video on a stripper pole while earning $100K+ salary
• DDG's public struggles to see his son and the challenges of co-parenting after breakups
• Tory Lanez releasing a prison album with surprisingly good production quality
• Southern University hazing death and the unnecessary dangers of fraternity initiations
• Debate about whether difficult shared experiences create deeper bonds than community service
We'll be back next week with more cultural conversations and insights on the topics that matter.
All right, we are back with another episode two for the culture. Yes, I'm Justin Devante, I'm Stephen Ray. Yes, sir, and we are back. How you feeling, man?
Speaker 2:I'm feeling good man, feeling good, it's a good day. Monday started the week.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, exactly. No, it's uh. I had a good weekend. What about yourself?
Speaker 2:Uh, weekend, yeah I. What about yourself? We can? Yeah, I don't even remember what I did for real. Well, all yesterday it was really just kind of preparing for the interview. I had today. Okay.
Speaker 1:I got you, everything went well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, everything went well. Yeah, that was probably one of the most confident interviews I've had in a while. You know, hopefully I get it so I can actually be like actually, coincide with what I just said because otherwise what the people that's interviewing me is like fucking sucks no, but it's.
Speaker 1:I mean it's in your field. I mean there's not too many. I'd be surprised if you know there'll be fools to go over somebody else when you have the resume you do in terms of the social media world, yeah he definitely asked me.
Speaker 2:He was like you know, we get a lot of people you know for these interviews and you know some of them kind of say the same thing. So what sets you apart? And I was like you're not going to get another one of me.
Speaker 1:You said that yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I did, and he did not ask me for my Instagram. It kind of scared me. Okay, yeah, I was like you don't even know, it just felt like you wanted to flex and then they don't even give a fuck about your flex.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, exactly, it's like all right yeah yeah, but I mean hopefully they can take their egos aside and be like all right, no, he actually is getting higher, but I would have just showed him straight up yeah, no I just expected like yeah, oh, so what is it?
Speaker 2:but they didn't have either way. Uh, it was still a great interview so I'm really happy about it. I was I was extremely prepared, like I uh over the past week going over stuff to where I printed a bunch of stuff out for like outline. I didn't even look at it once, so yeah it went really well. I'm pretty happy about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, that's good.
Speaker 1:I'm glad you know I always feel good, regardless of if I didn't land something or or whatever if I did everything I could right, you know what I mean yeah, so I always feel good and be like, all right, I did everything I could. Right, you know what I mean. Yeah, so I always feel good but like, all right, I did everything I could. They just didn't choose me and they were foolish on their part because I know what I bring to the table. Yeah, and sorry for their loss, and kind of move on yeah. No. I agree, I agree. How was yours, how was your?
Speaker 1:weekend. I had a a good time. Of course, I work over the weekend. I don't think I have any good driving stories this weekend, but I have stories in general. What's around them.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying life story, like just driving Uber. I have a million. I want to get to a point to where I at least like tell a story. We tell a story from our past, like maybe ending an episode tell a story. Or we tell a story from our past like maybe ending an episode don't got to be this one, because we got actually a lot to get to. But um, what? What happened? Um, we first started off. We just went to my barber about 40 minutes away and she met my barber for the first time, which was cool oh, okay yeah, yeah, because I've been going to that same barber since college.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, so we've had a relationship since then and always went to him. I don't, I don't think. Maybe during the pandemic somebody else cut my hair, but for the pandemic.
Speaker 2:So cordero's a man oh shit, yeah, no, I was thinking. What was I thinking about?
Speaker 1:no, I just had a flashback I mean cordero did cut our hair for a long time. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah. And I went to a couple. You met a previous barber that I used to go to, but now you know he's progressed, he's got his own shop and I've been going to him. So she met him and it was cool. It was a cool experience there. Yeah. Then we just went to Prince's. Hot Chicken. It's a hot chicken spot. It's an OG, the original hot chicken, start of the whole hot chicken In.
Speaker 2:Nashville no, in general.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Prince's Hot Chicken is the one that started it all, and so now you've got places like Dave's Hot Chicken and other places like that, so we went there. It was cool, just had something real quick like dave's hot chicken and other places like that. So we went there. It was cool, um, just had something real quick I'm choosing to move for hot food um, so we went there, charged the cars, we went to like tj maxx real quick because you know they have charging stations spread out through the cities and they typically have it around shopping centers like you know, the one I go to.
Speaker 1:The kroger one I. I go to the. Kroger one, I also go to the one that's next to the target yeah, you know countrywide boycott of Target yeah, there is there is the do have a podcast.
Speaker 2:Who's that? The dude? Who's? Advocating for the I keep seeing him.
Speaker 1:He's a bishop or a preacher out of Atlanta, I can't remember exactly his name at least that's the one that is face fronting of the boycott nah, I think he initiated, but I don't know that for a fact was it because they were supposed to give funding, or something?
Speaker 1:it was more of a DEI and they're doing targeting boycotts so they're choosing they're doing, since it's like lent, which is like fasting and ramadan and things like that, there's like, hey, let's do a 40-day fast, avoid uh of target, yeah, yeah. So you know, all black people are not supposed to be shopping at target for 40 days, does?
Speaker 2:this include women at Target for 40 days.
Speaker 1:Does this include?
Speaker 2:women, all black people. I know, yeah, yeah, yeah, all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, even you.
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't even go to Target.
Speaker 1:I'm being funny because you're biracial.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I got that, I got that.
Speaker 1:I didn't know.
Speaker 2:Maybe it didn't matter. You know you have white right. That's too funny.
Speaker 1:inserts picture of my father yeah so but yeah, so it's about DEI. But the reason why I participate is not that I'm a firm believer in DEI, and I'll just be more candid. What I actually mean by that is that I don't like grouping black people into a pool and talk about diversity. I want our own thing. So, for example, affirmative, action I don't. I'm sure you heard about front of action or even heard the name yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So people, what happens tends to happen is black people are the face of, of things that actually we are not even the majority of, if that makes sense right it's everything, yeah, yeah, so so and I'm gonna break that down because it, um, it may not make sense. So affirmative action is more of like you hire well DEI. It's pretty much like you hiring people to include certain groups, right, so you can actually get them involved in the company to make decisions.
Speaker 1:So you're including more people in the decision-making process and affirmative action is similar in that way, but the people who benefit the most off of affirmative action is white women, because they are a minority group, because men are dominant decision-makers and do the hiring process. So people don't know that though, but nonetheless, if you talk about affirmative action, people would assume somebody black people benefit the most from Right. So if you're going to give us our own thing, then I want our own thing and us be the face of it. I don't want to be a face of something that we don't benefit the most from, or benefit even you know, semi, semi the most you know what I mean I want a complete whole thing, so that's why.
Speaker 1:But target actually had a black initiative and they removed that as long, as well as a dei policy, if I make any sense a black initiative, what you mean? Like, like. So they was like hey, we're actually going to help make an initiative specifically for black people right, and with removing DEI, they also removed the initiative as well along with it uh-huh so that's why I believe in the, in the target fast or boycott.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's because they did do that. So I bet now, now the other people who removed the I've, maybe they didn't have a black condition. Oh, I need to do more information, more research. I'm not well informed at all, but that one I did look into, yeah. So I was like, okay, I'm with this for sure that that makes sense, yeah then, I knew that something was removed.
Speaker 2:So yeah, that yeah definitely makes. Yeah that I knew that something was removed, um, so yeah, that yeah, definitely makes sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because because you know they talk about anything they talk and they want to put us a face up in front of we. Just you know it's also including other groups of people and I'm like, how about we all get our separate own thing? So now they say black and brown, so they're saying black people and mexican people or hispanic. I'm like, okay, we all have different goals. Yeah, yeah, yeah, our my a black need is not a mexican need we have different rights, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So why are you grouping us in the same one like? Even dei is like all right lg. Lgbtq is india, that's you know. It may encompass some of us, but that's separate from a black initiative.
Speaker 2:You know, what I mean.
Speaker 1:So, so, and that's kind of where I land in it, yeah. But, yeah so, but back to back to my weekend.
Speaker 2:So we went to Target. Yeah, no, I was talking about charging stations and I was.
Speaker 3:I would just no, I was talking about charging stations and I was like yeah, so we charged the car.
Speaker 1:I would just bring it all around because I was just going all over the place. So we were talking about charging stations and so, charged, the car, went to shop a little bit and then we went to change to get. I'm missing. Oh yeah, I'm lying, I'm missing a part. We also went to this place called the Alice, I believe, and that was super dope. If you walk into the Alice, it's in Germantown, it's like a bunch of candles there.
Speaker 1:But also off in the section you can either make candles or you can also make cologne slash perfume. So we all so my girlfriend set up the appointment. I believe she paid for it it was like $65 per person and extra $10 for whatever fee.
Speaker 1:And so we got like maybe around 15 smells. So it's like essential oils. So one of them is going to be lavender, one of them is going it's 15 smells of. Them is going to be 15 smells of different. So lavender is one, black sea moss is one and, you know, ginger. Just different essential oils. So you smell it, you get it like a table. You dip the little paper tab in the oil, you smell it.
Speaker 1:If you like it, you put it on this left side, or this right side, that or, excuse me, this left side that you like, and then, if you don't like it, you put on the the don't side okay so now you're kind of narrowing the flavors, so you can either put one complete flavor in a bottle or you can put two flavors in a bottle can you put more than two?
Speaker 2:no, okay. So they're like, yeah, y'all ain't gonna fuck this up exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think you may be doing too much if you put yeah three in there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah and with the uh perfume versus cologne. Are there any of those selections that are the same on both sides?
Speaker 1:uh, so, oh, so, yeah, I'm just saying, I'm just saying perfume and cologne, just to say it's boy and girl, really Right, yeah, yeah, we both get the same essential oils.
Speaker 2:Okay, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so yeah, but some are more like birthday cake, like that's not essential oil but that's what it reminds you of when you smell it.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and that obviously wouldn't be for a man like rose. Petals was one oh, okay yeah, yeah, and he smelled. It smelled good, but it's like I'm not gonna wear that and maybe you could find a blend that's masculine with it but, um, so I narrowed down my two.
Speaker 1:It's like I'm butchering this. It's like you like tonic, ginger and black moss. Oral moss was one of the two that I put in my cologne and then you pour the rest of it with alcohol, but you put it. So I narrowed it down. I had several that I liked and then I put two of the tabs together and smelled them together. But they are.
Speaker 1:This smells good okay and then so she made something else. She, I think we had one of the same um, and she had her own cologne and that was a big bottle.
Speaker 1:Uh, yeah, yeah so, so you also paid. So mine I paid 30 extra per ounce or so. So, like every, yeah, so you can buy the one ounce which is free with the thank well, you pay for the experience. It's not free, but you don't have to. It's not free, but you don't have to, it's not an upcharge. Or you can buy mine, which I really like, for $30 extra. And I was like, well, I might as well get the big bottle because it's going to last me long and that scent lasts a very long time.
Speaker 2:Oh, for real.
Speaker 1:Yes, like I can still smell it in my clothes. Yeah, which, which is great, because that cologne bottle in there that I have, I spray it. It's not going to last long at all, but that one you may be able to wash your shit and still smell it.
Speaker 2:Damn yeah. So and what are you comparing it to?
Speaker 1:What do?
Speaker 2:you mean the other cologne that you have.
Speaker 1:Is it like some fancy cologne the one that I made, the other one like. It's like Givenchy, like or Savage Dior type shit uh oh no, I was asking like what was it? What did I name it? Or what do you?
Speaker 2:mean not yours, I'm saying the other one. You were comparing it to the normal one that goes away fast so what's your question?
Speaker 1:again, I'm sorry, so there's two there's two Some shit I bought at Marshalls.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, I don't know.
Speaker 1:All right yeah yeah yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, I'm sure it has a French name to it. Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3:Okay, okay, okay, but yeah, you can call it John for all.
Speaker 1:I know, you know, john. Exactly yeah yeah yeah yeah. All right, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:I was just thinking like damn like damn.
Speaker 1:I don't know if the cologne that I used to get would actually uh be there for like a very, very long time. Oh, I've had good colognes, um, yeah, yeah, and some will last a minute, but I feel like this is has last. Um, that scent has last very, very strongly.
Speaker 1:I think I could put it up with the best and it'll, it'll match it, so you're gonna're going to be wearing this for a while, yeah, I like it, and then, yeah, so I can also, they also put a card in there and you can go back and they'll show you the two that you put and you get this like $10 off.
Speaker 2:Oh, to do it again.
Speaker 1:Or not. No, just to you. Don't have to go through the whole experience for them to make it.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's pretty quick. It comes back in.
Speaker 1:I haven't did it so I wouldn't be able to tell you. But it doesn't take. Once you treat your tooth you put two of them in a bottle. It's like a chemistry set. Put two of them in there, measure in the liter, pour the rest of it with alcohol and you stir it for a minute like yeah, okay, pour it in the whole thing. So it's not like very long to take your cologne. You could do it within a couple minutes okay, for real yeah, yeah, but it's the experience because they give you.
Speaker 1:Like you know they start you off with like a, like a little bite-sized thing, like I forgot what you call them, but it was pretty cool and they talk to you about where the how the name came about, with where it's called also called like golden slipper or something like that where that comes about, and you know you take your time through the whole process so but dude was really cool.
Speaker 1:Um, and it was. I was actually very shocked at the experience because I I was like I think I'm gonna have an okay time, yeah, yeah, but it was a great experience. I would extremely recommend it for anybody, and that's a lot coming for me uh, and it was mostly uh.
Speaker 2:Was it like a lot of couples there?
Speaker 1:uh, no, no, we got, we got lucky, because my uh, my girlfriend actually booked it on the wrong day. She booked it for march 18th and usually there's like six people there is what they say, but there was nobody there oh, okay, so it was just y'all so we was able to rebook it and do the experience for just us two.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, now those people that came in the shop now but they wasn't with us, yeah, they was looking at candles because the the shop the front facing is all candles. You wouldn't be able to really tell it's called if they didn't tell you all right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you showed me a photo of it I I didn't see like where you would be at or like, yeah so.
Speaker 1:So then from there we left. Uh, we went to this place called mother's room, which I frequent fairly often because it's not far from here and they're really cool, you know, they're, they're type of place that you know, if you frequent there or if you're cool, they'll give you free drinks, really, yeah. Yeah. So they gave me a free shot, but I still tipped them. Well, you know, uh-huh, so I only paid for my espresso martini oh, okay and, but I still gave him like 40 bucks.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, and he kept the total what's all in the espresso martini it's like. It's like a coffee liquor. I couldn't even tell you it's however, you want to make it really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I had that one time it's cool.
Speaker 1:It's just like a coffee liqueur. And then that's when we charged the car after that. And then we went to change and went to a place called Church and Union. I like the ambiance there. It was very busy. I got the lamb burger and fries. I really enjoyed mine, mine. I would go back for that. They also had this shrimp with like this type of creole sauce. It's not creole sauce, but I'm just saying it from the the look of it and there's under like a brie show bread. Yeah, brioche, thank you, and I'm saying yeah, and I think I've even saying that it may be not even been a brioche bread, but I don't know if I'm saying it right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, but that sounds right, yeah yeah, we can tell where we come from.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah yeah but uh, but yeah, so but that was hitting like yeah, yeah, anyway and then you cut it.
Speaker 1:It's like it really like I could just eat the bread with the sauce for real yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and that was fire.
Speaker 2:Usually those are the best burgers for real.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but the reason I'm not a purchase a steak at a restaurant person. Uh-huh. I think that the steaks at restaurants maybe if it's a steakhouse it may be different, but steaks at restaurants is like you're just getting salt, and pepper and butter on a steak and whatever the side is, it's like why would I pay for this when I can do it at home and it's so ridiculously easy?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it was just really like salt and pepper on a steak and it was just $60. I mean, it was $60. Like why would I buy this again? So I was mad. I was glad that I didn't get that, but it just wasn't enjoyable on my girlfriend's side and I was like, yeah, I don't. If you're not a steak restaurant, I'm really not going there and I don't even like to buy high steaks like that yeah, yeah, so have you ever had, uh, wagyu yeah, they had that on the menu, but I think that's.
Speaker 1:That sounds overhyped to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I haven't eaten steak in a very, very long time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um yeah, yeah, yeah I haven't had in a long time, but I get what you're saying too. If you get your like variety if you like steak.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like the thing about it. My girlfriend's not like adventurous like she likes to get what she likes, type of thing. And I saw stuff that if she, if she, would have got the lamb burger, I would have got something different and it would have been something I probably haven't had before, like I want to try to recreate it at home, type of experience. So that's kind of where I land with stuff like that I don't be doing well doing that yeah, but it's all about trying.
Speaker 1:I, I just I'm the same way. I used to get like chicken tenders and fries everywhere I went.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not saying that, I'm saying like actually stepping out every time usually maybe not in the past couple years, but I had a run of any time I stepped outside of what I usually get, I would be mad like, yeah, every time I'm just like, bro, this don't. It just doesn't even taste well, I'm not gonna get this again.
Speaker 1:I just spent my money on this yeah, I'm gonna stop at mcdonald's before we get home and it may very well be that, but I tried something yeah it wasn't for me and I just I spent for the experience and I know not to get it again yeah, yeah but also.
Speaker 1:I look at it and I think I'm coaching her to get a little bit better on it, but she doesn't like to share, like, not in a bad way, and I'm saying it so you eat off her plate. I like to trade items. I don't want us to get lamb chops together.
Speaker 2:Oh facts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't like getting the same menu item as my date or my girlfriend. I've never liked that ever. So, if you got something I wanted, I'm like damn, I wanted that. But now I get something separate, because now I at least want to try it and see if I like it, and you try mine, see if you like yours.
Speaker 1:So we can, we can make this our place oh yeah yeah, and so so I will at least want to experience like all right, let me try to put that a little bit on my plate and I put a little bit on yours and see how you like it all right I enjoy that part of it yeah, I definitely don't.
Speaker 2:It's awkward.
Speaker 1:It's awkward and I don't even break it down to dating. I would do that with a friend. You're like all right, right yeah, we got the same thing no, I'm just saying in trying something different, yeah, like, all right, let me get that piece of pizza wing and I'll trade you a piece of something else oh right right right yeah, yeah, or whatever all right, I could see that, yeah, especially if I'm eating like right in front of you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, try this and I try yours and, like brad, your is banging more than mine or vice versa, like damn, I'm glad I didn't get that, or damn I didn't yeah, yeah. So, um, but overall I it will. You know, I think, the experience I'm not going to give it 10 out of 10, but it was a high like overall day experience it was a point two huh, 8.2 out of two, I thought you said a point two.
Speaker 1:It's like damn it was really good. I really enjoyed it. There's gonna be better, better days, I'm sure, but um yeah I the the steak at hers kind of brought it down a little bit for me, but we definitely you did?
Speaker 2:you try her steak? Yeah, it was trash oh well, and the mashed potatoes was trash how can mashed potatoes be trash?
Speaker 1:it was just wasn't seasoned, wasn't salt on that?
Speaker 2:it was just mashed potatoes. Spice it up. Uh no, they don't.
Speaker 1:They didn't even have salt and pepper on the uh table. What they like to say, denny's bro, that's a regular restaurant yeah, it was fairly. It was slightly above average. It's downtown nashville yeah, usually, so my meal was 100 and it was uh, it was like a little over close to 200.
Speaker 2:usually like the only thing that changes is the container. I said a little over close to 200. Usually like the only thing that changes is the container.
Speaker 1:I said a little over a little under. It was like yeah, all together with tip was like 180. Uh-huh.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Okay. I would have just definitely assumed that there was salt and pepper there. Maybe not enough glass? No, it should have been salt and pepper there.
Speaker 1:Because I was thinking like, yeah, at this point we had a good day. I Because I was thinking like, yeah at this, but at this point we had a good day. I was like, hey, you want a hot dog or something on the street. You know what I mean. Yeah, she's like no, I'm cool. Yeah, I would definitely get a hot dog or something if I was her.
Speaker 2:I haven't experienced the food trucks out here. I haven't really done a lot of food trucking before.
Speaker 3:Well, there's a bunch of them, so a bunch of them so, oh yeah, so you got a favorite one a food truck.
Speaker 1:Uh, I I'm a gyro guy, so I'm gonna get a job, okay. So there's one place I go for job, but they don't. It's not like they make it better than the restaurant I go to, but if it's late night I'll go there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah okay yeah, yeah that makes sense so, uh, let's see what we got here today. I'm assuming you saw over the internet the whole thing that Stephen A Smith was going through.
Speaker 1:Was getting berated by LeBron James. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, how long was he standing there, though it seemed like it was like five seconds. Lebron James yeah, I mean, how long was he standing there, though it seemed like it was like five seconds.
Speaker 1:LeBron James. Yeah, I mean. Okay, let me put it in another way. You're from Memphis, Right? Haven't you heard the term? You trying to go 10 seconds?
Speaker 2:I've witnessed it a time or two. You heard the term right yes, of course. Yeah, 10 seconds is a while. I've witnessed it a time or two. You heard the term right 10 seconds is a while exactly, exactly. I did not think about it like that.
Speaker 1:That's hilarious so you don't need much you don't need a whole conversation that needs to be had. Definitely, if you're trying to check somebody for what they're saying, keep my son's name. Yeah, exactly, that didn't take long, yeah, but yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 2:And that's exactly what happened. What all did he say about his son?
Speaker 1:He was just giving the stats and telling his he wasn't playing well. That's it, or it was just it wasn't like he was going in like his son ain't shit. He don't deserve to be in the NBA. He's doing well in G League and his performance is lackluster. Yeah, but it's true. Yeah, he did it respectfully, for real. Oh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but he's an NBA player and he's a draw, so you can't evaluate his performance so LeBron just tried to bully him out of his opinion pretty much, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I don't know LeBron and Stephen A's relationship, but it doesn't sound like a good one. Yeah, so he, lebron, may feel like you attacking my son because of who I am uh am yeah, so he may.
Speaker 1:He may have a lot of opinions but, he would just tell the stats and how he didn't do. Well, he didn't make any points in the 15 minutes that he played in the game or whatever, and from what I understand, steven a was getting checked from it from others like hey, how you not talking about his son?
Speaker 2:everybody's clearly avoiding his play, uh-huh yeah.
Speaker 1:So he just kind of stepped up and just did his job basically right, but I I will defend LeBron James is you're also not discussing a lot of people's play who got who doesn't get a lot of minutes either? It's not like you're going to discuss everybody who gets 20 minutes or under's performance. You're really not going to do that. You're really going to kind of delegate it to stars or people who aren't there?
Speaker 1:But at the same time, he is a part of the LA franchise and if you're not playing well, you're not playing well. But I think that LeBron, that is a big franchise, huh.
Speaker 1:That is a big franchise, but I think that everybody clapped for him when they allowed LeBron James and Bronny James to play together on their debut. Nobody was like bro, he didn't deserve it. Even though he didn't, I was always. The only time I was really critical about Bronny James is that, if we're being real, he didn't deserve to be drafted. His stats didn't deserve that. For real.
Speaker 1:For real, absolutely not. And you are taking up a spot to a person in need who actually deserves it, Like you're a millionaire Brian. He's legitimately a millionaire, he could have stayed in college and got better, but you're actually taking up a roster spot for somebody who actually can need it.
Speaker 2:How long was he in college?
Speaker 1:One year, yeah, exactly. And even being drafted, that could have been somebody who could have worked for that position, somebody who was clearly gonna be less fortunate than yourself. And then I also look at it as that basketball is no longer one of those to where you can. You know, you grew up at the local park, you know now it's really a rich person's game.
Speaker 2:It's like whoever who you know. It's like whoever you know.
Speaker 1:It's like you got a bunch of AAU games you train. You've got to have a trainer. Now the travel is expensive. All this stuff is expensive to be great at this point to be a basketball player what a lot of kids don't have. So it's going to require a lot of talent at this point for you to come out of like a poor situation, not like football yeah, because there's so much expenses around being great that just the average that can mold you into that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, just that that uh like.
Speaker 1:Usually you know poor people, you know people come from the gutter and hoop, they jump. Yeah, exactly, but now it's really not that you go to parks. There's not a lot of people at parks Now. They're really at training facilities, they're on AAU teams. They put, you know, three to five hours a day with the trainer. It's absolutely insane the work they have to put in.
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't think I'm in that space to even see that anymore. I just, I mean being in high school, you kind of around. Well, I was kind of around a lot of community centers and stuff so. I could actually see the people.
Speaker 2:I think basketball in general.
Speaker 2:Then again, I'm older so it might be two things at the same time, but it does feel like basketball feels a little different nowadays because when I was shit, I was about to say, when I was growing up, that's, that's.
Speaker 2:That feels kind of weird to say um, but um, yeah, like growing up, I would see, you know, and one would be a thing, it would be a thing to know how to like ball, like the, the handles and the, um, the dunks and all that, like I said, and one was huge and then a lot of those people were just so goddamn good that they made it into the nba and it kind of. I guess that goes along with what you were saying about um, the, the, the difference in um resources a person has which can make a monster, like on the court, um, I do feel that's a little different. I don't really see a lot of that now but yeah, when I now on my phone, if I do see a basketball video, it is usually in a gym with probably people on a team versus, like, the guy at the court, how it used to be, and that used to be all the time.
Speaker 1:I mean, and now you see, like Trae Young, how he meets, Like you'll see him when they're babies and how they meet their favorite NBA player, and now they're playing against him. You know what I mean, yeah.
Speaker 1:You don't do that because you're an underprivileged kid. You do that because you got money and wealth and you can have the access to these guys. Yeah, yeah. So, and you know, there's a lot of brothers, older brothers and then younger brother comes up. Yeah, yeah. Now it's huge when you see a lot of like Kenyon Martin Jr or somebody's junior or somebody's son, or they're coming internationally.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's very rare that the underdog kid from the hood that doesn't have nothing, that their mom's life just got cut off. They play to support their family. Their family pretty much got that at this point.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying that's every case but that's the majority of the cases. Now, do you see that you know coming into the drafts for the? Do you follow college basketball?
Speaker 1:Not enough. It's funny enough. Sec tournament starts this week and that's going to be here in.
Speaker 2:Nashville.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah yeah, so that's going to be here in Nashville oh.
Speaker 2:So March Madness will be Well yes, because it's March.
Speaker 1:So you have the SEC or the divisional tournaments happening all around the country, but the SEC tournament specifically happens here in Nashville. Then after that, then you have the NCAA tournament which is the ranked ones. Go and play each other. But this is just the division, but SEC is the best. Basketball teams are part of the SEC. So it's going to be lit. It's going to be real lit.
Speaker 2:I got to go yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:But also if you get a ticket, I mean you, if you spend a day there, there's gonna be like three or four games happening like one. It'll be like I'm just naming team like Auburn and University Tennessee at like University to Vanderbilt's good this year. University Tennessee, alabama, auburn when?
Speaker 2:When does it start?
Speaker 1:Wednesday Damn, kentucky, missouri, there's so many good teams. They're all ranked Well, maybe not Vanderbilt.
Speaker 2:How long does it go for?
Speaker 1:Until Saturday, or maybe Saturday or Sunday, I can't remember. Oh, okay, okay. Okay. Yeah, so it'll be lit. It'll be crazy, that's crazy, but you can just watch them on. Tv too, but yeah, so it'll be good. But back to Brian James and LeBron James, yes, or Stevie Nates. As a dad, you know, you may feel a way you check them. I feel like Brian James is his own man, but he's also like 19 years old. So it's not like he's going check steven a for where you're gonna check him for playing bad it's his performance.
Speaker 1:Um, so I'm just kind of in the middle of it, as like I would. If I was lebron james, I would have a conversation with steven a. I wouldn't just check him for it, because that's not how you handle situations. Definitely, if he didn't like, cuss your son out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it looks more like he probably thought about it, of course, but you know those situations where you don't really know how you act until you're right there and then you see the person.
Speaker 1:Yeah, facts, I think that's what happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:Because it doesn't really make sense for real.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, but you could have always reached out to him beforehand. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Like he probably thought about it. He clearly had thought about that already. He was like no, I ain't going to do it. I ain't going to do it. But then when he seen him, he just probably was like you know what, fuck this nigga? And then he just did all that. That's probably what happened too. I can see that. What's next, you tell me? I see something about an NYPD officer.
Speaker 1:Did you see that?
Speaker 2:Was it a woman? Yes, like a strip club.
Speaker 1:First of all, she makes over $100,000. A hundred that, over a hundred thousand a year as a police officer okay okay, so I don't care how expensive a city is. A hundred thousand years to a hundred thousand, yeah, so you ain't just living on potato chips oh yeah, no, definitely, definitely um, the the ones from whole foods, and you've been on the force For seven years 700,000 yeah. So to make so one, I want to be clear that's not right.
Speaker 2:If you're a police.
Speaker 1:I'm.
Speaker 2:Let's just explain it for a second.
Speaker 1:Okay, so, NYP's police officer was in. I'm let's just explain it for a second Exactly Okay. Yeah, so NYP's police officer Was in a music video Talking about or the rapper I forgot the rapper's name, but she was on Stripper Pole Dancing For a music video and she was pretty much the only person there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she was the only girl there, she was highlighted throughout the music video I don't know how much she paid her. But you know that you are also a representation in and outside the uniform I mean, she got you know this to serve and protect, so she's got the serving part right, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. And that's just you know, that's just not what yeah, it doesn't like I mean that that's. That says a lot about the, the uniform and the area. It just doesn't feel quality to me that don't even feel like you can protect me for real quality to me, that don't even feel like you can protect me for real. If you're doing that, yeah, yeah, yeah, please. So if you saw your security guard supposed to secure you twerking on the gram and killing that, yeah, boy or girl would you?
Speaker 2:would you feel like a lack of protection um?
Speaker 1:So let's take a muscular man, and he was popping it on a lotto video, and that was supposed to be too.
Speaker 2:Boy twerking a Lil Nas X video Exactly.
Speaker 1:How would you feel?
Speaker 2:Honestly, you know I'm trying to think like okay, all right, boom, a situation happened that dude from and then this guy is supposed to protect me. I feel like he still could protect.
Speaker 1:I'm sure he could, yeah, but would that be weird after no, I'm saying you, you see this now, because she's still a police officer, right? So she's supposed to be protecting you. I'm just putting in a different perspective. Uh-huh with it. So you're like bro, you're the guy off the nas x video. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah I think I mean I was still, I was still. I don't think a lot of it is lost in the moments, because I feel like you have to be a certain type of person to even have that on anyway, I'm saying he, you know how they do the splits and bounce. You talking about the D-Wade song joint?
Speaker 1:No, I'm just saying you know how they do the splits and they like they do the splits and slide in it and start bouncing. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And he did that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm just saying like the full joy.
Speaker 2:I would, in the back of my head, I would hope that this man has, you know, at least even his skills out. So I'm just saying there's a representation that comes with what you do.
Speaker 1:No, yeah, that's totally different. Yeah, I'm saying she's wrong for that. I'm not saying she's a representation that comes with what you do.
Speaker 2:No, yeah, that's totally different. Yeah, and.
Speaker 1:I'm saying she's wrong for that. I'm not saying she deserves to be fired, I'm not saying that. But I'm saying, hey, don't do that shit. No more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, don't do that shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't do that shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like hey we don't have a procedure around this Right, so so we about the right one though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh God, oh God, oh God. Yeah, I mean I feel like they're cool with people freelancing and stuff on the side. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:You can protect other people, but don't get me wrong, she's super bad.
Speaker 2:Yeah, her body was very crazy, yeah, yeah, it was very crazy yeah yeah, there's other opportunities out there that she can pursue. I think, I feel like women like that are just like glorified in a police uniform.
Speaker 1:But it's not like she can make more money. You know what I mean. It's not like, hey, I'm beautiful.
Speaker 2:She making more money.
Speaker 1:No, I'm just saying as a police officer. She can't leverage that into a bigger quote unquote deal. You know what I mean if she goes John Wick.
Speaker 2:I feel like that would be the best thing that happens, let's say tomorrow. It's the biggest heist of the century and she, just like John Wick's, everybody.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying her salary is her salary. It's not like, hey, I'm taking this, I got famous now, so y'all need to pay me more.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying replace you.
Speaker 1:We don't need you. We can replace you with somebody else that can protect him, sir, and I'm sure probably better.
Speaker 2:Yeah but all I'm saying is, if she goes, uh, uh, bad boys, five on them, I think.
Speaker 1:Think she might get a little promotion. What does that mean?
Speaker 2:Just like shooting people, shooting people, not just shooting random people. But I'm saying like in a situation where shit just goes bad and we need a savior and she actually does some savior shit, you don't get a pay increase off of that anyway.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:I don't think so. I mean, I'm saying I would just assume if somebody is looking like it's like bad boys or jackie chan or brush hour you ain't gonna get promoted to something else, all right, more money, yeah, nah, br.
Speaker 1:And who would say she got that capability? I was saying, if she did.
Speaker 2:I said, that is her only chance yeah turning this whole thing around yeah, as if tomorrow is the biggest heist and she just goes in on everybody I believe in her yeah do you? Uh, we be texting every now and then. I just want to say I don't know how you.
Speaker 1:Who knows what her skills are? Maybe she does well and actually does her job to you know. I mean, she's been doing the job for seven years, so she has to be doing it well to a certain degree, I would assume right um, but I think that's just, that's uh degrading the quality of the force, because I feel like, if you end, you know twerking it up half, you know half naked. It just shows something about your squad. You know what I mean. Like y'all just hiring anybody now you think so.
Speaker 2:Oh well, I guess from an outside perspective. Sure I was. I was more focused, I guess, on her, but um, yeah, I can see what you're saying on the outside perspective of the whole force yeah, yeah, I mean because then now they're looking at the force, like what are y'all gonna do?
Speaker 1:y'all firing her right they're probably like pushing on that shit yeah, I'm just like all right, what are we doing? Like we have a job to actually protect people, and that's not the vibe you're getting when you you know then, you know half the situation from making the only fans account. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, oh, right, right it's like, yeah, this is.
Speaker 1:this. Doesn't look great to what we do, and for the community, well, the community is whatever. But I'm not feeling like, hey, she going to protect me, yeah, yeah, yeah if something goes down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can, yeah, yeah, I mean they still trained. But I do get what you're saying about the quality or the perception of what we all envision a police officer sort of to be.
Speaker 1:I mean stuff like that. There was just recently a lady who was a she was a realtor and she got fired from her job from talking about how she wrote down on like the receipt or whatever. When it goes to tip, you get no tip and I hope trump deports you uh, yeah, she should be fired right, but I'm just saying she's a representation of her, of her company, inside and outside as well. Yeah, so what you do and say is a representation of your company oh, that what I'm thinking.
Speaker 2:Somebody bought the house and she ain't with her.
Speaker 1:Oh no, she was at a restaurant, right and on the tip section she said you get zero tip. It was bad service and I hope trump deports you oh my god, yeah, yeah, that's a terrible person and she and I wouldn't want that. Uh, my company, her representing my company like all right, this is your core values, this is where you have with it. Hell, nah, yeah, you and I wouldn't want that. My company, her representing my company like all right, this is your core values, this is where you at with it, hell no.
Speaker 1:You got to go somewhere else with it. You're not needed, and that's why I'm saying it's not the same, but it is similar in the fact that I'm just. The point is that she's a representation inside the uniform and outside the uniform as well. And that's just not a proper representation of that at all. I understand, because it feels like one step from prostitution for her. You're throwing money at her and she's stripping and shaking on the pole. Yeah, there's multiple ways of looking at that situation.
Speaker 2:That's a whole other conversation. Yeah, there's multiple ways of looking at that situation. That's a whole other conversation.
Speaker 1:Speaking of representation how do you feel about the representation of DDG right now? So he made a song about how he's unable to see his son.
Speaker 2:I didn't hear the song, me neither.
Speaker 1:He's going pretty hard with that right now. I understand it. Oh well, I'm not a public figure, right? I understand what it seems like he's trying to do. Yeah, how I look at it is if you're not letting me see my son privately, then your public representation matters. So now everybody's going to see this in order for me to see my son, because everybody's going to be looking at you funny, and then it's going to force you to make a better decision, right? So I understand that. Now I want your point one.
Speaker 2:I, you know, I always lead with. I never know these people, so I never know the full story of everything I said to say I saw a clip and this is just. This is what makes me say this. It was a clip from a while ago and it was DDG and he said man, I appreciate y'all for going crazy seeing how halo was. I'll be real respectful, because I don't like talking about you know people, kids, stuff like that. But, um, yeah, he said you know his, his son, he saw him walking, uh, uh, through social media. And then he said, also in that clip, you know that, uh, his girl had sent him the video before everybody saw it. So and then it fast forward until like a week ago or two weeks ago, and then he was like his first time seeing his son walking was on the social media. So it was like two different stories.
Speaker 2:So, and I don't know if that's just like out of emotion, like you forget some certain things, da, da, da, da, but that just kind of like puts me in a sense of one, I don't know everything, um, and two, that is hard and I do feel like women do do that sometimes. I'm not saying nothing about hailey. I again, I don't know them, but I'm just saying I have heard that as a man, from other men and people hitting me up my own cousins as soon as I, as soon as I had a daughter my cousins was hitting me up like trying to warn me of the certain things that can happen and stuff like that, and that falls into one of them of like a woman kind of switching up on you kind of whenever she wants to and using the baby and her saying that she's the primary care of the child to, um, really just do whatever she want for real. Uh, so you know that that that that is a reality for a lot of people yeah, okay, so out.
Speaker 1:And I feel you and there's nothing I disagree with what you said. The picture, the whole encompassing thing that comes to mind was, is that we don't have enough conversations about this situation. Like, all right, they was in a long-term relationship with each other. Their parents should have set them, somebody should have guided them into saying, hey, at some point y'all need to talk about kids and what y'all's core value is. One, y'all shouldn't be having unprotected sex. If y'all not ready for this to happen, so that conversation needs to be happening for every child. So, because otherwise y'all gonna have different values on how y'all feel like y'all child needs to be raised.
Speaker 1:So she may feel like I'm guessing, I don't know and I could be completely wrong but ddg may, may not be a good father in her eyes and she wants to keep her away from him. Oh, yeah, halo, away from him. But you also sit down and have had that child. So you y'all need to come with some type of uh, way y'all need to handle custody of that child. But the whole point is you really should be married and have kids? Absolutely yeah, and some people do not look at it that way or think about it. They, you know, and in planning, it's just not a people's life at this point yeah, yeah yeah, so it's it's.
Speaker 1:There's a lot, there's a long list of guidance that we're not receiving as a whole, as in the country, because our divorce rates are high we're having kids out of wedlock and I mean, I don't feel like people are strong like that for real, like to last.
Speaker 2:I thought about that as well and it kind of ties into this. Um, yeah, you know again, there there are multiple ways of looking at every single situation, but I don't feel like long-lasting love is like a trend. I feel like having a girlfriend or a boyfriend is, or like you know, when I'm the options, is a trend versus like this is my person type thing. So what I mean by that is you know, um uh, uh, when you choose somebody, when you choose somebody. I heard this one day. It's from this woman named dr brian and she said you know, some people they choose marriage. Some people they choose their partner. You could choose marriage and you can have marriage with anybody. You switch you up, switch her up, boom, next person to where we have kids without like that core family base. Because that's I feel like that's more of a trend versus like I choose you, and that comes with all sides of you.
Speaker 2:And you know, I I wish like that was a trend. You know, like no matter what, whatever, and that's a lot to say. You know I'm saying you know people have boundaries. I do think that should be a thing, but, um, I just wish that was more of a trend. Like you know, men be tripping, I'd be tripping, I'd be tripping sometimes. But I do know that when I get with a woman, it don't matter how perfect she looks, is whatever in front of me, it's gonna be some behind that. So, and it's gonna be some behind me whether I think, however I am, or not. So, yeah, that's just something that I do wish like was more of a trend versus kind of what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:That's not the first time we heard this, you know. Um, I see that all the time it's it's it's a lot of that going on in the industry, in the rap game. Uh, I don't want to just name a bunch of women who ain't got dudes, but it's a lot of them, it's a lot of, and then usually it's boom, they get pregnant. Oh, they're happy, they break up, and I have a list in my head right now yeah, they're still going. So, uh, yeah, bro, I wish there wasn't. That, there wasn't like a trend.
Speaker 1:It seems like that's a trend, though yeah, I, I mean it's, it's very interesting, like I'm not a woman, um, but I I can't speak for women and maybe that's where we probably need to have a guess in to, so I don't feel like I'm talking out of bounds but yeah, for sure it just feels like a lot, of, a lot of women aren't team players. Yeah, like this doesn't seem like regardless if you feel like you can handle, you know more, or what's good for your child.
Speaker 1:It just reminds me of like a like I'm gonna use a basketball reference like a ball hog, like some people are ball hogs because they are, they feel like they're the best player and they need to keep in their hands in order to win the game right, yeah, but some is like, bro, you need to pass the ball because it's a team and you need to get that person more involved because it's going to help better the team regardless if you feel like you're the best, not because you cannot do it this yourself. Your son needs your father, so y'all need to. You need a better way of communicating, which is women think they're way better communicate, and this is just out experience. I know my mom is a good communicator. I'll give her that and I know others that good communicators. But women, a lot of women, are poor, very poor communicators. They just do the thing Say more.
Speaker 1:And they can't and they aren't able to have a true discussion of what the actual issue relies. And then, when we do have a discussion, it's like a man sometimes can't be honest and how they feel because you're going to go off the handle so I have to give you the bare minimum, or say less or nothing at all yes, this is describes a bunch of my past relationships and it's not, and man, we're not perfect you handle things wrong, but I I feel like it's like.
Speaker 1:I just want to, and I said this recently I just want to be a place to where I can freely critique how I feel. Like it's like. I just want to, and I said this recently I just want to be a place to where I can freely critique how I feel, and you can take that and receive it. Of course, it's never going to feel good, it's not. Yeah, nobody's gonna be like hey, you failed right here. And like, oh okay, yeah, it's going to suck, but it's, it's for better for us, it's for the team right, absolutely because you don't mind doing it to me at all.
Speaker 1:Let's be clear, you don't mind. You're not really biting your tongue. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I just say for me and I was like I can't accept anything. It's just how you receive it too I I'm the opposite.
Speaker 2:I think it's how you say it I mean, that's how I mean oh okay, like hey, it's just how you say it.
Speaker 1:If you coming at me or like swinging and punching, I'm going to do absolutely myself.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's a natural human leading with love then we can talk about it.
Speaker 2:All right, tell me why I failed at that moment that's so bruh, it's so easy bro yeah it's so easy, like I felt like I only had that a couple of times where someone was like, hey, look, it's almost like time slows down. It's like, hey, you know uh, you could just tell. When it's like wrapped in love, it's a total different feeling. It almost just makes you just like shut up it's like, oh, did I up what's going on? Yeah, yeah, it's a total different response for me. Um, and I definitely try to do that um, like in relationships, kind of like, you know, talk to them that way as well.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, that better communication is definitely a thing that needs to be done yeah, and I'm gonna use the example it'll be different if you're a girl. Like, that comment hurt my feelings and I don't know if I can be next to you right now that would hurt my feelings yeah if you saying that, saying that I'm like, oh my goodness, I need to do better, yeah, yeah yeah yeah, yeah, I am a terrible person Versus, like why the F you say that Are you stupid. Nigga what you say yesterday.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. You think you funny, don't you? You ain't funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So now I'm really resentment versus actually want to make the change right yeah, yeah, so so it's, but those two things somewhat mean the same, because it both hurts from the same, but now yeah, yeah, but now I receive it way differently. Now it's going to make me change my actions. I don't want to do that again versus now. I feel like I need to fight back yeah, yeah. Now I need to really defend myself.
Speaker 2:That is an amazing point.
Speaker 1:Right, it comes from different to where it's like. You know, one thing is like dang, I was out of line versus you. Came and take a joke.
Speaker 2:No, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean. Yep, yeah, nope.
Speaker 1:Yep, better form of communicating and be a communication, and that's where land that's clearly kind of what it is if you feel like DDG is failing and you don't want him to be around your son.
Speaker 3:I don't know what this you know it could be very.
Speaker 1:It couldn't be that at all it could be, she could be actually just don't like him, you know, but regardless, he needs. He needs to see his son and he's communicated that in his record. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, but if you feel like he's failing, hey, this is the things I need you to prove on, because I don't think my son is secure and you need to be on my right. But whatever the thing is, I don't want to just start making stuff and putting it out there. But yeah, so I think this is just a.
Speaker 1:I wanted to bring it up because it's a larger conversation. It's just like, hey, this is something y'all need to talk about while the baby's in the womb. What type of parent you'll be? Because for me, I'm a disciplinary. I don't want to seem like I'm a drill sergeant, but if you ain't doing them right, I ain't gonna reward you. I can't, yeah, yeah, I can't, yeah, I can't give you a cookie when you just when you just cussed out your teacher at school oh my god, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean, that we you're gonna be on punishment until your behavior is corrected all right, not when you've been good for a couple of days.
Speaker 1:No, I need to see actual correction. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this is going to be over time. And I was like, alright, I can see the change in you, but if you do good for a week and then you do the same thing, I'm like, alright, bro, we extending this yeah yeah, yeah, no, we're actually going to do community service. You're going to a local park, you're picking up trash, bro yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, my mom threatened boot camp hella time. I didn't need all that, but yeah, kid, when you're 16.
Speaker 2:Maybe she did right. Maybe she she stopped that shit in the beginning. From my experience, you see where you gonna go and it's on the TV. Yes, sir. I'm three years old watching this shit. No, but no, I definitely get that. I definitely get that. That is a Very much so in long-term relationships, and having that conversation, I also feel like these people are young too, though.
Speaker 1:I mean absolutely.
Speaker 2:So who I mean? I don't see, I see that happening for people in their 30s. I don't see too much of that with people 25 below.
Speaker 1:And that's why I'm talking about guidance. Why is nobody's parents stepping in like bro you wrong, take that child to that boy. Yeah. You know what I mean. Like yeah, there's nobody stepping in, that you listen to.
Speaker 2:Yeah I mean, hopefully there is, but yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying, I'm sure it's something I mean it's, it's, it's growing. Now you know it's a conversation between the two families, for sure right now yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I'm just saying you just gotta have guidance. And you know, I'm assuming that hayley bailey was raised right. Yeah, yeah, because because both her and her sister are successful, so they're raised right to a certain degree. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so nobody's paying like bro. I understand you need to talk to him and let him know. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Or whatever. Yeah, I'm sure there's got to be a lot of that shit going on.
Speaker 1:I couldn't even imagine that big of a stage, yeah yeah, I mean because I mean, of course, raising a child is going to be difficult. Even when you're married You're going to have different values on how you believe. Hopefully you can try to get a lot of that, but you're never going to be truly ready. But as long as you know it's a team effort, you can go in that, of course. Course it's not gonna be, you know, glitz and glamour and there's gonna be times like this, but it's just the overall conversation that like hey, I'm seeing this time and time again and these are lasting stains. They harbor resentment that the child doesn't get what he or she needs. Yeah, and that's where childhood trauma. This is why kids now depress therapy long lasting to the rest of their lives and don't know what to do. It's just so much that I mean this could be a whole podcast and stuff Talking about it, but I know we got more to discuss Because we had that.
Speaker 2:Well, what happened? Tory Lanez dropped.
Speaker 1:I didn't listen to the album.
Speaker 2:I haven't. I haven't fully listened to it either, but I will say he does a lot of. You know it's starting to, it's not starting to, but you know it brewed years ago with the half and half songs. Like the first half is like rapping and singing and then singing and yeah, but I will say with his rapping I like his singing more than his rapping, but the beats on the rapping joints is way too hard and the quality on the album, I will say, does not sound like this man is on the jail phone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's how it's been sounding, because he put out a lot of records since then. I heard some of those the engineering. He even said a long time ago he broke the code on how to do it.
Speaker 2:Him and his engineer.
Speaker 1:They broke the code on um how to do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like him and his engineer, they broke the code the one thing I can say about him is that nobody can question this man like I feel like at this point, in terms of his work ethic and his drive. I mean, there's nobody that can question this man's work ethic.
Speaker 1:I mean at this point, that's all he got can do is create music. You know, work out and learn.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. Most people wouldn't? Most people. This man is on the side singing in a jail phone. Yeah. Like for a whole 20-track album.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm sure it's over time.
Speaker 2:It's probably over time, but yeah, but still.
Speaker 1:Because you know you got the. This collect call is from so-and-so person, right? Yeah, you got all that and you got to finish calling call back and yeah no but yeah yeah, for sure, tory Lanez always talented, you could tell he loved what he do. Yeah. He's very great, I'm sure the album. I've heard a couple songs. I didn't love it immediately, but I'm going to give it a true listen. I didn't love it immediately, but I'm going to give it a true listen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was skipping around a little bit Because I, honestly, was looking for the. I was looking for, like the, singing songs. I was looking for a shorter track list, not necessarily 20, but I wonder if he's going to get out Because, like his DNA, wasn't on the gun.
Speaker 1:Probably not yeah.
Speaker 2:He did say it was like it just doesn't make sense but it's documented. Though it's documented, there was four. There are four people that was on the the gun. There's four different types of DNA that was on the gun it it was two males and two women and he wasn't any of them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just I believe that he did it. I've always maintained my stance. He had he had if you want to go there, he had ample times One. He had a plea agreement that he could have went for and only served maybe a little bit over, a plea agreement that he could have went for and only served maybe a little bit over a year, and he could have did that he also. What doesn't help him is his, his attitude, his sporadic attitude, and he was leading up to court. He punched August.
Speaker 1:Asina and that's like, because that's when we had my old podcast up to court, he punched August Alcina Because that's when we had my old podcast. Everybody maintained that he was innocent, but me. I always did my stances. I was like, even before the trial I was like Tory Lanez, you won, you got a really good plea agreement. You should take this. Do not take your chances in court because you are going to lose. And everybody disagreed the gun it wasn't actually bullets in her foot. You know they're saying all that stuff and they've since backtracked a little bit, but they still maintain its innocence. But then he punched Agustin. I was like you only continue to prove the court's point.
Speaker 1:It's because you have a seven eight-year sentence on the line and then you go act aggressively, sporadic, out of no reason, because a man did not shake your hand.
Speaker 2:I saw a couple of moments where he—.
Speaker 1:And you already have your life on the line, bro, and you go out and do that. I was like you keep on showing time after time of why you acting aggressive. So if you acting out of character, then and with drinks involved you can definitely act out of character later. You just proving the court's point and that was silly.
Speaker 2:I don't remember the time frame of it, but um, yeah, it was.
Speaker 1:You know, we was on the podcast, we talked about it. So I remember vividly this was leading up to the court case oh, wow yeah, yeah, and he punched still yeah just because august alcina did not shake his hand I saw the video, yeah yeah, yeah, he's like nah, you've been talking trash about me. When he had the whole jay, jay smith, he walked away, came back and punched him in the face. Mm-hmm, like yeah yeah, he got kicked off a tour.
Speaker 2:Oh I didn't know, he got kicked off a tour. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:It was like an R&B comedian tour type thing. Yeah, yeah. No, we talked about it. I remember it vividly and it's's like you're not helping your case, even though I thought I thought he was guilty I still didn't want to see him do jail time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and and there's just so much stuff that he did during that time that makes him like bro, why are you apologizing to to women if you didn't do anything wrong? Because after y'all both was like brad, come on, now stop I.
Speaker 2:I have no idea. I don't know what's going on, but I do know there's got to be more to that story that is being said uh, but we can switch it real quick to something I did want to talk about the hazing death in southern university, um so we had a little bit more details on that uh, so I do want to get his name, but um but I can kind of describe why you're looking to um, tell the people what happened.
Speaker 1:So at southern us university, um, a guy was pledging and a part of the hazing, they take the guys and punch them four times in the chest and, uh, the young man collapsed. Um, they took him to hospital, left and he died died, yeah. So they said that it was Caleb Wilson yes, and they claimed that it was a basketball game yeah, they pulled up.
Speaker 2:They had to be panicking freaking the fuck out. Of course yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they said that he was in a basketball game and he got hit in the chest and then he had a seizure or something, and then they switched his clothes out. They were had a seizure or something and then, um, they, they switched his clothes out. Uh, they were in all sweats or something. Uh, I guess, while they were pledging wherever they were at I think it was in a warehouse, yeah and um, they switched his clothes out and then got him to the hospital, uh, where he was already unresponsive, yeah, so, yeah, he was probably already gone, yeah, it just reminded me of the, the young, the young man he played for the Buffalo Bills who was who cut, who died and resuscitated it's.
Speaker 1:His name is passing, demar Helminton. He was hit in the chest by T Higgins of the Bengals and then collapsed on the field and needed to be resuscitated. And that just instance reminds me of that and how, if they didn't perform chest compressions immediately, then he would have died. He technically died then because his heart stopped but then they resuscitated him. That situation reminds me of a man getting hit in the chest. His heart stops and they, of course, wasn't. No medical evaluator was there to help, no medical professional. So that is extremely sad.
Speaker 2:That's great.
Speaker 1:And the dude who did it?
Speaker 2:he was 23.
Speaker 1:And he was already graduated from the school.
Speaker 2:Damn yeah, yeah, 18, 19,. The dude who did it?
Speaker 1:he was 23 and he was already graduated from the school. Damn, yeah, yeah, 19, 20, 22, yeah, right, that makes yeah, yeah. So I'm like, bro, what you doing? Yeah, I mean I don't know I mean, they're the big homies yeah, I don't know how that that that goes. Why are we still hazing?
Speaker 2:I mean it's, it's a part of the. Now, I don't know too too much about the, the, the culture, but I know enough of going to university, of wherever I went, um, just being around it. Um, you know there are certain traditions. That's with it, uh, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's a certain tradition, so you just keep on doing weird shit to be a part of a fraternity I don't know why they do.
Speaker 2:I mean some stuff I can understand in terms of, um, building a brotherhood. You know there are certain ways that you can do that um, and you know they're the, the. I don't even know if it's traditional. You know only only people in uh, fraternities and sororities like they would know that. But, um, there is some type of tradition there, like when it comes to hazing. We've been talking about hazing forever, so you know, probably before it was a time it wasn't even called hazing. They just like made up a word for it after they figured out they was doing this yeah, but I'm just saying it's just unnecessary
Speaker 1:it's absolutely unnecessary saying like right, there's a better way. There's a million other ways you can get to prove somebody's loyalty, and it doesn't have to be from hazing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I don't know, there's so many different versions of hazing. I feel like we only say hazing when something really bad happens.
Speaker 1:No, we say hazing when it's something dumb as hell, Like you got to cuff your friend's balls and sing a song together, Like why I got to do some weird shit to prove I'm loyal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've heard a couple stories too, yeah about that yeah it's almost like I don't know well.
Speaker 1:I mean, sometimes it feels like they're joining the gang for real yeah, I just like brad, like why can't it just be a community thing? Hey, we put it in three hours a day, we're gonna work together within our community to help rebuild it, and why can't it be like something like that to prove your loyalty, I mean?
Speaker 2:I don't know, I, I, I do feel like, though, if I went through something that could be hazing, we're hating today yeah, I'm just saying like hey, we just, you know, uh, because what I, my mom, I had no choice.
Speaker 1:So, like I know the now that I look back when I'm older, I was painting rails when I was a child of like schools. Yeah. Like yeah, and I was just forced to do that. I was like I don't know what the hell I'm doing, but I'm painting rails. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was told to do this. I was told to pick up trash. I was told to help renovate you know, uh, schools. Yeah, I was just doing what I was told. I didn't like it. Yeah, yeah, I had to walk marathons for junior diabetes. You know what I mean like yeah, I didn't understand this, but I did it. But now they're like bro, do something like what makes sense, give back in some type of degree yeah, I mean, I think it's just it got to the point of it being dangerous.
Speaker 2:Like I do agree with going through something with a certain set of people and making it out and it was something difficult that you feel closer to those people, Like it's a deeper bond. I do agree with that. I do feel also that it's gone too far to where is dying I, I, I disagree in the deeper.
Speaker 1:The hazy makes a deeper bond because I feel like if me I went through training with, with new hires, us going through that month of training, it's a deeper bond than it is with other people that dsa's that work with us. I mean, if you compare the shit to, that's all, that's all, is you spending so much time together that it's going to be a deeper burn because you know them so well? That's why it's a deeper bond, that's why you go, that's why you can go to them like hey, we've been spending three hours together every day for a whole semester.
Speaker 2:That's a deeper bond, naturally yeah, it's gonna be a natural bond, but you don't think that if um, you cut a cuff, a man's ball or no, nigga, I'm not going that far, it's going too far.
Speaker 2:I'm saying it's going too far. What I'm saying is you don't believe that if you do something difficult with a person not training to be on a computer, if you go through boot camp with four people and both the all y'all see each other on the other side, you're not gonna have a different feeling of the other side of that versus the other side of you completing your training no cap.
Speaker 2:I may not even like the people I'm with, yeah, yeah, that don't mean I'm gonna like them and have a deeper bond okay, let's say that you like him that I did boot camp with him I'm saying something difficult, okay, all right, maybe that's that's what we did I went through a, a boot camp workout before I don't know.
Speaker 1:I can't even remember these names that's for 45 minutes. I'm just saying you're deeper bond because you spend so much time with somebody that you get to know somebody.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying like conquering something like I. I get what you're saying. I just feel like there there is something else. There there is. Maybe the word isn't deeper, but there's a certain feeling. I feel like that is different from um, just something that's kind of like easy to do with a group of people, a small group of people, not saying cuffing niggas, balls and singing Christmas carols.
Speaker 1:So they got deeper bonds because they get punched in the chest.
Speaker 2:I'm asking Bro, I said a million times it's gone too far. I'm not saying that, I'm just saying something. Let's like go down a couple notches, a fucking. I don't have anything in my mind.
Speaker 1:Why can't you have a deeper bond doing a community activity? That's not easy.
Speaker 2:That's my co-worker.
Speaker 1:A community activity To me, so give me a scenario that's deeper bond.
Speaker 2:I try to with the book they're working out together not just working out okay, uh, you, you in now.
Speaker 2:Now this is extreme, but like, let's say, you was in the military and you again. I'm going too far so I'll say this, but I'm trying to get you to get the sense of what I'm saying. You're in the military, you're in afghanistan, all right, whatever the fuck, and y'all survive. Y'all survive because y'all went out there and the task was basically survival and y'all had to help each other survive and y'all made it through that shit. You're not gonna have a different bond from them than the people that you have in a training course on your computer duh, that's all I'm saying that.
Speaker 1:That is you, you're, you're. Y'all's lives depend on each other yes it's way different than them punching each other I'm saying just bring it down a couple drinking. Drinking a bunch of get alcohol. Drink a bunch of alcohol till they get alcohol poisoning. You're relying on each other. You need that person Right and any other hate or any other fraternity. You do not need that other individual to make it yeah. But so that's a completely different situation.
Speaker 2:I said I went a little far, that's a situation completely by itself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's no other thing that you could possibly compare that to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's no other thing that you could possibly compare that to. When you need somebody else to survive. I can't think of nothing right now.
Speaker 2:That's life or death yes, I'm just saying something extremely difficult with a group of people and y'all make it out, I feel like there is. The word I'm using is deeper, but some type of a deeper bond than co-workers picking up trash like. I feel like at the end of both, one side is going to be a little bit more intact now. I'm not saying get punched in the chest and almost die from alcohol poisoning, right. I say let's make up some new stuff.
Speaker 1:I say let's make up some new stuff. What what I'm trying to say is there is time that's going to be spent to the next person beside you. Y'all of similar age, y'all going through a goal together and trying to be a part of America's Eye or whatever it was, and together, and y'all spending so much time together, and y'all spending so much time together and got of six among a thousand group in that fraternity, you're going to have a deeper bond with that person, naturally, because that's who you've been spending so many time with, versus the other people. That fraternity that you're going to just have a natural bond just because of time spent, yeah, but, but it's, it doesn't need to have anything to do with hazing. Hazing does not make the bond stronger. That's not even. I don't even think that's even what the purpose of hazing for. I think the purpose of hazing for it is to actually show you how far you will go to be a part of the fraternity, and that's kind of what it seems and it's, and that's a ridiculous idea to me.
Speaker 1:Uh, okay yeah because I'm I've never, I've never heard nobody like bruh. I'm gonna die. I'ma die for a uh, you know to be a kappa.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna put that nobody thinks they're gonna die so it's like there's always gonna be.
Speaker 1:I'm not gonna go the first limit. I'm loyal. This is a fraternity. I want to join because of whatever reason, I'm willing to put the time, the money involved to be a part of this fraternity and this is going to be part of my legacy forever and I'm going to treat it that way. So you don't need all this extra stuff. The hazing is what I'm saying is not necessary. Yeah, yeah, because I wanted to be alpha, because a lot of what Martin Luther King was oh, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was just about to say like, so we can assume you didn't want to be anything.
Speaker 1:No, I thought about it, but it was all the extra stuff involved. One it was expensive. I didn't have the money to do that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's clear, but it's all the extra stuff involved to do that and I just didn't. Yeah, yeah, so it was. It was a short thought, but I thought about it hmm, I did too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was thinking about it, and then I went to MTSU where I met you, and then I saw all the, the Alphas, oh shit. Well, I don't want to put that out there, but they, they were just.
Speaker 1:It just wasn't the same vibe yeah, but I mean and that's that was your take on it I respected a lot of the alphas there for real, yeah, but you went to, you went there, uh, later on than I did, so some of those guys probably graduated oh, yeah, yeah but some of them looked out yeah, yeah, oh, baby, yeah yeah, oh, baby, I bet yeah, for sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, but I think that's pretty much yeah that's it. We're a little over time, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm cool with it. No, this was good. Well, this is two for the culture. Lord willing, we'll be.