Two for the Culture
Two for the Culture is brought to you be Steven Rey and Justin Devonte. This is the podcast for the ages! Both Steve and Justin has been friends for over a decade plus and will give you a genuine approach on news and culture with humor and love. I promise this will be one of your favorite podcasts that you will not get enough of!
Two for the Culture
Diddy Trial, Torey Lanez Prison Attack and Much More
Justin and Stephen explore the moral complexities of wealth, the failures of the prison system, and the challenges of maintaining relationships through different levels of success.
• Stephen shares his experience stepping outside and feeling a renewed sense of energy
• Discussion about childhood memories of school plays and performances
• Analysis of Tory Lanez being stabbed 14 times in prison and the realities of prison life
• Comparison between American prisons and more rehabilitation-focused systems in countries like Norway
• Breakdown of how gentrification works through coordinated efforts between developers and law enforcement
• Deep dive into whether wealth and righteousness can coexist, and if true altruism is possible for the wealthy
• Personal reflections on jealousy versus insecurity when friends and partners react to success
• Examination of how money changes people and the pressures that come with increasing wealth
And we are back for another episode of Two for the Culture. I'm Justin Devante, I'm Stephen Ray and we are back for another episode. What's going on, man, how you been? What's going on? I feel alive.
Speaker 2:You do. Yeah, I feel alive man. Why's that I finally got to step outside. Yeah, this is wow. This is how people live. That's crazy. You know, I'm really yeah it. It adds some level of energy to my life, so I'm really really excited about that okay, so what's been going on?
Speaker 1:uh, what you've been doing I went every.
Speaker 2:It's a whole list. I went crazy um, where did I go? I went to first place I went. Was Jeff no, it's not, I don't said Jeff Bezos Jeff Ruby's, jeff Ruby's steakhouse today no, that was the first place I went. I went to frothy monkey a couple times. That's like a nice coffee spot. Uh, I went to see sinners. Um, I like that movie. I did. I'm gonna go see wednesday. Yeah, for sure, I'm definitely, I'm definitely gonna join on that it was.
Speaker 1:Uh, we'll come back to that.
Speaker 2:But um, where else did I go? I went to, uh, this place called bloom. You know what that is. I've never heard it's bloom at some thompson hotel. At the top it's a rooftop bar. I went there. I went to a speakeasy. I went to skulls. I went to, I think, another speakeasy. I got chopped, got my hair off. It's crazy new chop.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you look like a rayford mcmurray rayford mcmurray.
Speaker 2:Who is that? No, no, I'm just saying, oh, I don't be watching basketball.
Speaker 1:So I was like, oh you know, because you go by ray, so I was like rayford, yeah, yeah um yeah, went to see kaya um and took her to a couple places.
Speaker 2:We went to this jumping places I'm jumping place for kids. This arcade place. She beat me every time at skeeball like I'm trying to win. How old is she now? Um eight okay yeah, and she's left-handed, so I kind of like felt a little better I don't know, I've always heard and seen left-handed people just do shit better okay than other people, but um, she kept winning.
Speaker 2:I was really trying, uh, yeah damn yeah, I had to throw in the basketball game just to like feel better. But um, yeah, went there, the jumper plays, then bought her some toys or whatever from walmart and uh, yeah, just been outside and she has a play or whatever, oh, yeah, she got a play on friday, okay, and she's in peter pan. She's a mermaid oh okay, I didn't okay yeah, yep, yep, yep, so that's gonna be cool. She said she's really nervous. Um, you know, yeah, I'll call her a couple of days.
Speaker 1:How many lines is that? It's a moment.
Speaker 2:She keeps I mean she keeps saying she doesn't know Like I don't want to scare her. Well, yeah, yeah, I feel like she's nervous, yeah. Anytime I bring it up, she's like I don't know, I'm really nervous.
Speaker 1:And then I'm like something that you gotta like.
Speaker 3:You gotta do it first and then you build your confidence or it scars you for the rest of your life or scars you for the rest of your life.
Speaker 1:And my dad was there too, as he should be. But like the and yeah, yeah, those plays is like. I hope she's practicing.
Speaker 2:I'm sure they're rehearsing and everything yeah, it sounds like it's not that many lines Was you in plays? I was, yeah, I was in small stuff, like that. I was in small stuff, I remember, and I was in a choir okay and I was. I was in something to where you like the exactly I was one of the kids on his telephone out of many.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was in a. I was a. Yeah, I was in a couple things, not necessarily a play with a line, but the only time that I remember being on stage like that was those type of things and a spelling bee that I almost won. Okay, well, I mean I was fourth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I could have been top three. Yeah, but it's Memphis. No way, no, but it's Memphis. It's Memphis, right, right, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, memphis, right, right, right. I'm really shit out of luck then, no, shout out Memphis.
Speaker 2:Nah, I'm just joking, that's too funny.
Speaker 1:Public school P.
Speaker 2:Nah, that was too funny. Have you ever been in a play?
Speaker 1:Yeah, nothing like one word liners yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's.
Speaker 1:I think that's what's up yeah yeah, that was never my thing, Never nothing I was interested in. I never wanted the attention to be focused on me to do anything like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, it's not usually what I guess it is when you're up there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like I'm just saying to want to do it, yeah, I don't think I did either in that time frame?
Speaker 1:no, that shit is scary yeah, I only do stuff like that if it's like when I'm called upon like hey bro we don't got nobody. We need you. We have a week. You know what I mean and they're like, I'll do it yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, but otherwise, you know, I'll play. They're like I'll do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but otherwise I, you know I'll play a cis man. I'll be the the, the person who aims the light you know what?
Speaker 1:I mean yeah, yeah yeah, I'll be the cast, the sweet crew uh-huh, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2:Um, that's, that's kind of how I never, I never. I was always scared, I always had stage fright like always. I don't know if it ever ended really well yeah I don't think it ever ended.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and you know I've since got somewhat better in my post-week and that's just because I have to do it so much. So you know, as long as I kind of know prepare, just like somewhat prepared to to kind of do it, then I'm good, like even when our boy jalen, and when he got married. You know, just speaking in front of you know, I was like I have.
Speaker 1:When, um, before it happened, I was like I'm pretty sure you know that one of the groomsmen best man's gonna have to speak in, so let me have something mentally prepared, like something I know where I'm going with it. Not that I have this totally thing splashed out. I was like, oh, let me at least speak on this moment.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because what was tough about it was particularly his was. I didn't spend much time to the bride now his wife, so it was like, okay, I what story can I tell? But that has them both tied to it. And then I brought up a moment to where I I saw him pray for the first time and it was with her over the phone yeah so yeah, yeah, and so I was like.
Speaker 1:So I made like it's always going to be something funny and it's like I put myself down moment, because I try to sound humble. I think I do sometimes, but sometimes I can be a no-doll and be arrogant.
Speaker 2:But, um, but yeah yeah, yeah, for sure, I don't remember.
Speaker 1:I don't remember you being like that, but okay, okay, yeah, yeah, but it depends on who you ask, so I try to at least acknowledge it yeah um, but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I was like, you know, it was this girl that was her friend, that she was trying to kind of put me on to, and I and I told the joke. I was like, and I and I said at the moment I was like hey, jaylen is the person who always got it. I had to tell you know, somebody we that I talked to like hey, let her know that I don't got it like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they kind of lighten up the crowd and then I was like, yeah, and I was like I highlighted him and then I was like for her, when I, you know, I knew there was one because when I've seen I walked in his room trying to play the game and then I see him, I walked into him praying I've never seen jaylen pray and I was like to have somebody to completely match what he brings.
Speaker 2:It's more than you know what a friend could ever ask for yeah yeah, yeah, and it was like a moment, you know yeah, yeah, so that, um uh, have you ever uh uh prayed over or with anyone? Uh, yeah, yeah for. So it's just like a moment, just like walk me through it. What did you say?
Speaker 1:You talking about like in a relationship?
Speaker 2:Yeah, like in a relationship, you know what? Let's just like how did it go we?
Speaker 1:say a prayer at night. Yeah, so I will. Not that I'm like the best prayer person, but it will be just like sorry. I'm getting tangled up, so it's just like, whatever the situation you know, pray for us and our relationship. Help us continue to grow stronger. Like dear Heavenly Father, please be with us in our relationship. Help us continue to grow um. Like dear heavenly father, please be with us around relationship.
Speaker 1:Help us continue to grow, continue to understand each other and then we'll just go into the uh prayer of our friends, our family, yeah, yeah, any, any particular person we have on our mind, like, hey, pray for this person and their relationship as they're going to a tough battle at the time. And then you'll be like, okay, and then you'll.
Speaker 2:Then you'll say amen yeah, I think, I think that, uh, unfortunately from for for some time, uh, when I, when I look back on that type of stuff in relationship, it ties into that stage fright thing. I mean I, I've, I've eventually, well, I would have to get over that as I progress. But just thinking about it, that shit did it felt the same. It felt like I'm in front of 100 people and I got to lead this thing.
Speaker 1:Not stumbling over it, but that is a part of one One. I did that too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So don't get it wrong. You're going to do that because you're going to, you're saying prayers, so it's freestyling.
Speaker 2:That's like you said yeah, I got it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's like you said. Hey, I make the best freestyle every time I get on the mic. That's just impossible. You're going to stumble over yourself. Even when you hear the j cole freestyles. He's a hip hop, you know, elitist yeah, but he'll stumble over his words. Yeah, and they are f. You know what I mean. Yeah, so you're gonna like and um yeah yeah, you're gonna have those moments. I did it that a million times.
Speaker 2:The only time I remember thinking about it like that was like in front of, like their family and then, they'll kick it off to me, clearly a test, but like like at a, a dinner or a brunch or whatever, and then, um, that would happen like one out of 15 times I was around. But you know, when it did I was like, oh shit, I'm up yeah, yeah, and those.
Speaker 1:It depends on situation, but it's once you start praying, it's just the go-to, it's like for thanksgiving. You know you're like dear, dear lord, thank you for allowing us to come together, to, for us to um, have a family meal. You for allowing us to get here safely. Please bless your hands and prepare it, please be with us as we leave and depart, and then you have your whole thing Exactly.
Speaker 1:Say the generic thing Pray the hands, pray over us, be God us. It's kind of the same things I say when I do. When I close out on our uh, let's, uh, our lessons, I literally probably say I say the same thing verbatim, like I'm like thank you for allowing this, have another lesson, thank you for allowing us to come together. Please be with us as we go about the worship service. Let me please accept your sight, jesus name, I do pray, amen. I've said that literally every single time, like why switch it up?
Speaker 1:That's exactly what it is. Thank you for allowing this. Have a beautiful lesson. Please lead us as we go. It's literally the same thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I should have some go.
Speaker 1:I mean.
Speaker 2:I actually do. It's like when I open up my mouth and then I'll talk. I just said that because I just remembered being at those instances, not necessarily with just me and her or whoever it is, but just more so like those those small moments where, like, I'm in front of the family and then it's kind of like, oh, all right, all right, and then you know, yeah, yeah, I think they respect you.
Speaker 1:You get more respect when it's fluid, but at the same time, I think they respect you when the attempt is there oh, yeah, yeah, no of course that doesn't help. I mean you're gonna be nervous. It's a little nerve-wracking. You're in front of everybody and you're trying to make a good impression yeah, and definitely, if it's not a thing that you do, I yeah, I didn't fail, I didn't it's not like I ain't been to church ever or, you know, like been around a religious family, but yeah, no, that was just a moment that I remember that I realized.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So how you feel about the fasting? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, is it getting easier or like well, just explain, like what it is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, intermittent fasting, intermittent fasting. So I've been fasting for like three or four days now, mm-hmm, so I'm an 18-hour fast, so it's pretty much water-based is what I'm drinking. And then you know I'll drink like carbonated water, which I make sure I check in with Jatchi VT and make sure that's still a part of fasting.
Speaker 2:Because you never know what blocks a little things. Yeah, I had like honey in my water. Yeah, fuck, I didn't know. I looked it up exactly.
Speaker 1:So I'm even not scared about doing like heroin definitely that, and with a part of the past but like chicken broth and doing my mushroom um mix with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I have like chicken broth that I'll make in the morning sometimes and I put a mushroom powder in it, and then I'll put, uh, this collagen mix in there and I like I don't know if this will break it type of thing. I probably should look that up too. It's definitely breaking it, yeah, but yeah, but it's not.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's not bad at all that I. I did that to break my seven day fast oh, okay yeah, you gotta like do it easy. I will say that I didn't bring up. The day after the day after my seven day fast, I did have some beans and, again, like I'm not eating anything for seven days, my heart was beating hard as fuck when I was eating them beans. Was you that hungry? No, it was like it was weird. It was like it was really weird, bro.
Speaker 2:It's's like you know how, like, if you run and that shit like it wasn't fast, it was slow, but like still that hard and I was just like yo, like that shit was like you can't even do nothing, you're just sitting there yeah yeah, that was, that was. I will say that, but I think that I should have broken it a little bit more slowly. I'm going to break it a little bit more slowly next time. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think I was just really excited and I saw videos of niggas jumping straight into full course big ass meals. After that happened to me, I'm really going to chill a second. Also, randomly, today I was scrolling and there was a guy. There was a guy who did a three-day fast and he, uh, he passed out in hobby lobby.
Speaker 2:So, okay, yeah, maybe we should all like be very, very aware of how we're doing these things yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I mean, everybody's circumstances are gonna be different yeah, no, I think he just hopped straight in like what you're doing is a good way to lead into that, if you wanted to go that route, because now your body would just be used to not eating for a while I've only fasted for like um, like a true fast, like just water, and maybe I wouldn't even say two days, I would say a day or so.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's, that's actually extremely tough. Seven days, you never got close I think it just builds up yeah, like not eating. I've did that for a couple days for real, but not like a true like water break. I'm sure the way I did my fast, uh, with not eating, was, um, definitely not the right way, but it just wasn't having food, so I so I have to have that, but not just like a straight water.
Speaker 2:Fast is extremely tough I mean, yeah, I don't know, it is and it is not yeah, it's not like working out it's like it's, it's kind of, I think the the word is what relative? Yeah, right, yeah it's just um, it depends on which state you're in, so it's like what you're like.
Speaker 1:I said literally what you're doing right now can't gear you up to do that shit for three days right, and I also see the the difference like how much I'm able to eat, like even we at Winter Jack's Barbecue had the beef brisket plate and even then I was content off of that for a while and normally I could go back into eating another meal within a couple hours, like I could tell that one would have satisfied me for the rest of the day yeah, yeah, your body builds a new habit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, that's. That's cool, that's what's up.
Speaker 1:So it's definitely, it's definitely working yeah, so I just need to um, because the easiest part is going. Once I wake up in the morning, I'm good. So it's not like I'm starving, it's like going into the night and not eating you're like yeah, because I'm working late sometimes, so like I'm tempted to eat at one in the morning, but then once I sleep on it and wake up, I'm totally fine yeah, that is a.
Speaker 2:Thing it's that habit shit that's, that's the main thing that made me realize that, like when you're saying like nothing, like that's super hard, and that I was saying that a year ago my I was uh when, when I used to have talks with uh my homie ken about it and he knew people that you know fasted for seven days, fast faster for 30 days I'm like that's your superhero.
Speaker 2:There's no possible way that that's possible, because I did it for a day, I did it for a day and a half and I'm like this is crazy.
Speaker 1:This is fucking wild. 30 days is a very long time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I'm saying, but it's like I remember feeling like that. I remember my body feeling like are you stupid, are you dumb, you know? And when I was here, when I was here and I got to, I got to two days and a half and it felt like. It felt like my chest was caving in when I wanted to take a nap or go to sleep, I'm done. And then I was fucking done. And then later on that was doing seven days. I don't know, it's relative. I feel like it's just the same thing with anything else. You just like you build your body up to it, but you literally cannot. It's like your body is literally what you do with it. So if you eat, all the time it's going to crave that shit. All the time it's going to crave sugar sweets, whatever sugar sweets, whatever coffee at a certain amount of time. Yeah, so caffeine.
Speaker 1:I agree.
Speaker 2:Did you hear what just happened to Tory Lanez?
Speaker 1:No, what happened to him?
Speaker 2:This nigga got stabbed 14 times.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow.
Speaker 2:Not kidding. Like who do you piss on Today, I don't know. But yeah, it said like seven times in the back, I think four times in the front, Twice in the head, Damn One in the face. What? Okay, did that happen Huh, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, that's a lot. No, I didn't hear about that at all.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he's like I think he's on a breathing machine right now.
Speaker 1:Oh wow, yeah, that's insane, that's crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but they don't have any details of what happened, besides him getting stabbed, of course.
Speaker 2:I think there was one post, maybe like eight hours ago sometime this morning, said that he was maybe like hospitalized or something. And then, right before we started recording, maybe like 20 minutes before, a post went out on his page saying all of that.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow, that's pray for him. Yeah, yeah, that's a special prayer for him in this situation. Pray for him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a special prayer for him in this situation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I mean, you know, you know I I was always leaning on the side that he did do that. Yeah, so you know, and I've always I've mentioned that you know he's had anger management issues and we was always going back and forth on the old podcast about it and I was like I said, if I was his um lawyer or you know somebody who was on his team, I would have told him take the plea deal, and he would have been out by now. He just wouldn't be able to come back. He'll be just deported in canada. I was like, bruh, the us is not that lit for you. That's like take the plea deal, don't take your chances, you won. You know what I I mean. So go ahead and plea out on this.
Speaker 1:He didn't do that. Now he's there for a long time. So it's unfortunate that of course, I don't think he deserved this. So, yeah, that's a lot, but it's also it's prison. So that's a part of what comes to territory, no know, so that's a part of what comes to territory, no pun, if that's a pun.
Speaker 2:Territory, I don't know, tori, yeah yeah yeah, not really, I was searching for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:No pun, okay, fine, yeah, yeah, yeah so, but yeah, yeah, yeah, nope, okay, you're fine. Yeah, yeah so, but yeah, so, it's so, that's I'm. He's one of the most talented musicians Of our generation.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:No question about it. I wanted to see him free. I did not want him to go to jail, but I just believe he did it. I just wanted him to get the help, to get anger management. Now I don't know if he's getting the help In the prisons or when he's third or whatever. What happened in the whole situation, I don't know. But that, I mean, is it shocking?
Speaker 2:I would think I mean, yeah, I guess yeah, yeah, but also the situation I, I don't, I haven't heard. There's no way to tell fully everything that's going on in the pods. Um, you know, there's, there's. There's no way to fully tell about all that, but I, I guess, um, the only information that I have gotten is literally from him, only from what's happening in there and clearly, of course, is him helping out a bunch of people.
Speaker 2:That's in, I guess, that specific part, yeah, so, uh, in many ways, and I think maybe getting some people out of jail or like helping them with their sentences and a lot of good things. So, um, and again, that's clearly one-sided information. I don't know what these, what's happening in there with the other stuff. So for me it was just like oh, I thought like niggas in there loved him, oh, or at least was like. You know, even if I did have some type of beat, this can probably get me out of here. Oh, that's what you're saying. So, yeah, so for me it was just like oh, they're trying to kill your ass.
Speaker 2:Uh, oh, you think it's the system oh no, I don't know what it is. I'm just saying like it was just. It was just very shocking to me because I would think that, no matter how mad I am at this dude, if he's basically one of the only chances I got to either get out of my sentence is knocked off or like whatever. Again, it's like for the most part it's not everybody that's in there.
Speaker 2:But it just, it just kind of threw me off because that was the the only narrative that I was getting from. I see, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:You know I don't mean Well, so my dad went to prison, right? So, I have a different view of how things go. Yeah, and my dad he tells me, he told me stories and people just they ain't right mentally. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like he told me about a time to where he was playing space or whatever. And then, dude, this sounds like some crazy wild shit. A guy threw another man off the second or third floor of the balcony or not the balcony of the level and then he jumped down on his head and squashed his head like a melon and splatter went out all over the place so he threw him off and then jumped on his head and squished his head like a melon. How did?
Speaker 2:he perfectly land on his head.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. That's what it says yeah, yeah, and then. So my dad, you know, of course, it ruined the card game that's the main thing he remembers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, we had to yeah, yeah, but what he was, what he said, is like he didn't need to be out there with everybody else anyway. He wasn't right in the head. Uh-huh, that's what. So my dad told about the dude like, and then you like they put him in there. You ain't never saw him again. So those are the things like people literally just ain't mentally right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, people can love you, but a lot of people ain't right in there to think like logically, like hey, tori is a, it's a somebody I can use to help me get out of prison. Some people just like just don't think white. Yeah, we, they don't critically think like we do which is sometimes really shocking, because I'll be here, I'll be hearing things to where I have family members like I never thought of that and I'm like that was like the most simple thing. You know what I mean. Like, yeah, you never thought of that. Yeah, so so it's like some people just not really critically thinking in that way.
Speaker 1:And not only that. People are very prideful too. So relying on another man to help you is a prideful act, absolutely. I mean, like you got to be very humble to do that. That's very tough for me to do. Facts, yeah, yeah. So you have that aspect of it too. And then not only that, I don't I don't look at tory lanez as a martin luther king. Yeah, yeah, king, yeah. So for him to do him things, yeah, that is very noble and I'm happy that he's able to do that. But that's also very much a PR stunt and and it's a good person. I don't want to diminish that, but it's a good person thing. If I had the money, I'm sure we would all lend towards that. Like, hey, bro you out here, justly, if I got $5,000 and I can spend it towards you to get out of here yeah.
Speaker 1:And also, if that's a PR stunt, I'm cool with it. I'll let you have that, because that's still a noble thing. So I sound like I'm doodling on it when, I should.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but since I've seen this other side, since we had a lot of debates on trey lanes, there's so many times to where I've seen him do things that just wasn't helpful, like when he had punched august alcina in the face and his court case was coming up. Yeah, yeah, and I was like that could be the dumbest. You're on a on trial for um, like a spur of the moment type of thing, and then you're on trial, knowing what this means, and you do this at that time literally shows that you are very highly reactive to situations, because just because he did not shake your hand, you punch him in the face when you're about to head to trial. That's absolutely insane. You just did a violent act in showing you have a history of violence and so you added on to that. So there's no telling If he never got the help. There's no telling what could have happened then.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can see what you're saying. Yeah, that timing definitely was a little off for sure, and it was a lot of things that was coming out. That was a little off for sure. I still don't know fully, of course. We wasn't there. Yeah, but all we get to hear is he didn't shake his hand. I feel like there was more to it than that, yeah, but at the same time, you, you could have walked away well, yeah, because it's going to be one tori lane's got kicked off the tour, so nobody kicked off august alcina.
Speaker 1:So yeah, so it wasn't like you know. It was a situation. People who saw it Was like, okay, that was a wild situation. So you? So, since he got kicked off a tour, that was saying that he was in the wrong Now, and nobody said that Augustina Fought back. Yeah, that wasn't a thing. Yeah, yeah, he like this dude just punched me in the face.
Speaker 1:Cause he talked about me and my situation when I had with Jada and I didn't want to shake his hand when I saw him, I was like no, we're cool, keep it at the same energy. And then you left, then came right back and punched me Like that's, regardless of how you want to shape it up, you should have been, you should have left that moment, given your situation. So you're not critically thinking and healing. I'm not saying that he is that same person, but I also can say that healing is not linear, you know. So you're not going to go to a straight path to healing. There's ups and flows of it so yeah.
Speaker 1:So you're going to be very much going to be hit. Healing is a forever process, right, yeah. So whatever happens to you and niggas ain't getting stabbed all the time for real, uh, what you mean like in jail 14, 14 times, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, bussy was in prison for how?
Speaker 2:however long he had the coke cola in the shower, coke in the shower, type. You know a lot of people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and he was in one of the worst prisons, wayne gucci. A lot of people, a lot of celebrities making a prison for years, and that doesn't happen, not to say everything's everything's different.
Speaker 2:It could have been like exactly what you're saying but I'm also putting two plus two together so you think that it was it, it, it tied into his whole situation of why he got in there no I'm just saying it's two and two together the two and two together is somebody who has a history of reacting violently probably he did something probably uh, and then they was like okay, bet probably.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know same story. I mean, okay, I'll put, not to say names, but a different prison story. I was talking to somebody and they was telling me about a different prison experience, when somebody took their things and that person was like he took my stuff and I didn't want to stab him, but I had to show people I wasn't no punk, yeah, so I had to stab his ass, mm-hmm, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, I didn't want to, but you do the things because it's prison, yeah, so everybody be punking me.
Speaker 2:Right after that, yeah yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So that's the type of you know prison is prison. Not to say that tory was wrong. I have no idea, but I also can look at your history and say there there's odds, are there you probably had. It wasn't just out of nowhere. Yeah, this is something stemming. The people are crazy, so I'm I'm willing to understand that I could definitely be wrong yeah but at the same time, yeah, he may.
Speaker 1:He may have did something to where that happened and probably did he deserve to be stabbed. Probably not, but yeah, it's prison. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's a different world.
Speaker 1:The rules apply differently. And then you can be above yourself. You can be a celebrity and act like a celebrity in prison. Definitely, if you're doing a lot for people, who are you to come to me? Like yeah, yeah. Can I get a picture? Hell, no F you. I'm just saying something.
Speaker 2:Troy rapped for me. He could have been easily offended. Hey, spit a free file, little nigga picture. Hell, no f you all right, I'm just saying something, you know. Yeah, no, there's a lot of rap for me. He could. He could have been easily offensive.
Speaker 1:Hey, spit a free file. Little nigga dude got you know he's like, who are you? And then they exchange words to the stab it's. It's so easy for things to happen. Depth you're in a room full of testosterone bro it is, that's I.
Speaker 2:I can't see myself there at all.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, yeah I, I can't see myself there at all.
Speaker 2:I mean yeah yeah, I can't see it either.
Speaker 1:It's unfortunate. I think the world of Tory Lanez's talent, but I can remove myself out of it and say, hey, it's prison. I don't want to see this happen to him. I just hope that he has a safe recovery. Hopefully, Lord willing, he will be able to get out and make it out and be a changed man and grow from it and continue to make great music yeah, no, for sure I.
Speaker 2:I. I could only assume that that would change anybody.
Speaker 1:God damn it, or at least a little bit right but um, yeah for the better, because prison is always not a you know, yeah, yeah, it doesn't make you a better man every time yeah, he can make you a killer man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's. That's another reason why I just I, I don't, I don't fully agree with it. I don't fully agree with the whole system of it. You know, I feel like it can only do something detrimental Not only, but a big percentage of the outcome I feel like can be detrimental to a person. You know, rather than just letting them grow. I feel like the main thing of the positive that can happen is maybe one they might find God. Two they don't want to go back.
Speaker 2:Yeah of course. Yeah, that could be like the main thing, but the other shit that you have to deal with while you in there, I just I be trying to put myself in the right environment outside, like I'd be wanting to elevate. So I'm like man, let me, let me see what these people are doing on this side of town. Let me, let me, let me get the energy of these people. That shit would change me like absolutely. So I, I, I don't know, I I get like putting people away and all that type of shit that need to be put away. But I just feel like some things doesn't, it doesn't solve. I don't know it can. I saw this thing one time. It was 60 Days In. You know what that is.
Speaker 2:No 60 Days In is if like, if you go to jail right and I think it was 60 Days In. No, world's worst prisons.
Speaker 2:So this guy, he goes around the world and then he goes into different prisons and then he sees how they are on the inside. So if he goes to, let's say, one in America's we pretty much have a sense of like kind of what that is Like like for you know, the outside speaking um, he went to switzerland or norway yeah, or something like that, and their prisons was totally different yeah, I heard they're great states yeah, basically.
Speaker 2:So like they have they, they're sitting there working on cars. Like they have they. They sit there working on cars, like these people have like normal lives. It's it's it's it's sort of a lockdown, but it's kind of like you got a one bed. You got a studio apartment. Instead of like jail, it's like a studio apartment, it's peaceful. You know, the crazies are locked up in the crazy part and the people who you know on here for weed are locked up in the crazy part, and the people who you know aren't here for weed or cocaine or like whatever the fuck. But got a right mind. They're in spots where they're just kind of like it, kind of like that anger and all that shit just kind of filters out after a while and they're not around like crazy ass people that make them. I'm sure they're around something, but it's not like here. Yeah, and I can see that helping a person by breaking their habit of being in an environment that makes them think a certain way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I mean by that. Well, you also could go the other way is that there's a one dude that was locked up in a Sweden prison?
Speaker 2:He had a. Why are you prepared to laugh? I'm just expecting him to be a serial killer. He's like it's the best shit ever.
Speaker 1:No, no. His roommate oh, I'm tripping His roommate was like he's like I rob banks and I'm going to get out in six months and do it again.
Speaker 2:This is on record.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, he was saying it because he went to prison in Sweden or somewhere and then his roommate was like yeah, I just rob banks and I'm just so easy, I'm just keep on robbing them, yeah, yeah, and just spend another six months.
Speaker 2:Well, I guess you'll have people like that too, yeah yeah, spend another six months. Well, I guess you'll have people like that too. Yeah, like okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but they're not trying to kill each other, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah. Yeah, I can say that this is not a true rehabilitation process. Yeah, yeah, it's very much a business and it's it's ran, uh, like a plantation.
Speaker 1:Yes, um and it could be ran much better if it wanted to and be more efficient and to help people grow. Now there are, from what I hear, there are opportunities to grow in there, but um, it can definitely be a lot better than what it should be, but that's that's what essentially prisons are kind of made for um. It was made for um to lock people up so they can um, now you can be that the uh property of the state, instead of how slavery was, where you're the property of a certain individual.
Speaker 1:Now you're you're literally state property mm-hmm yeah, and you work for the state you're right. So so now? So you just really a slave yeah yeah, yeah, and that's why everybody want to weed offenses, because it's like, as such, lowly offenses but those get. It was one to help populate the prisons and to help work for people for low wages. Yeah. It's intentionally broken.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure, or an old machine, depending on who you ask.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because there's a lot of money to be made in prison.
Speaker 2:It's definitely a machine. I feel like the whole system from the.
Speaker 1:Because it's publicly traded companies that are prison, prison penitentiaries. Like CoreCivic is one of them. That's a publicly traded company to where you can invest in it and they work in, they're in the prison system, like own properties and shit like that or help run the system.
Speaker 2:I hear a lot of backstories about that. That whole thing from there to the police, to um, the full-rounded start to the government, like a full-rounded um circle yeah, oh uh it.
Speaker 1:That's where your conspiratorial brain goes, because I remember I need to read that book. But it was a guy who was one of the officers who was a part of. I don't think he was the one who shot Breonna Taylor, it was all-encompassing, but about how it was the reason why we was even really out there for real. I'm paraphrasing and I could be wrong. Look it up yourselves. But there was gentrification going on and so they wanted to remove people around the area. So they were going sweeping you know, kicking doors and different things like that to help gentrify for a huge property developer that was with Cahoots, the mayor and the police. The police are just the enforcers of it. They don't know what. The police harvest is not going to go know what's going on.
Speaker 1:Maybe the sergeant or the captain does know, and so then, the people just enforcing the rule so they can like hey, get this person, get this individual, because we're trying to get people as much out of here as possible so we can, um uh, develop this land that they're on, because now this property can be worth more. So they're just really, really, and he was trying to, I guess, break it down and how this, the whole encompassing, led to the situation that should have never happened um, that's, that's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was talking about like back then for real, oh, yeah, no, but now, yeah, yeah, but, but now it's yeah. So there's enforcers like even now, like it's little things I'll see and when you, when your brain goes that way you can, you will see it. So, like there's this place off of Jefferson has a lot of drag addicts, so, but they've been there for years. That shit's been the hot spot forever. Nobody did anything about it. But now you go there that that liquor store or that convenience store where they huddled out, now it's gated off. They said this is shut down by the city Court order. Yeah, yeah, and no crackheads, no drug addicts there at all. Something they could have been cleaned up.
Speaker 1:But since there's so much gentrification around that area now it's a problem because white people are getting uncomfortable and they're going to lose out on money, exactly Because who wants to move there with a bunch of crackheads? Yeah, so now they're kicking people out, now that there's a jack-in-the-box on Trinity Lane. A bunch of crackheads used to be there. You don't see none of them now. Oh, you should have seen brad, you should have seen. Uh, barstool had their bar. There was the under the bridge. There was a lot of crackers used to be all the time they were. They swept that when I was driving through the area. They was taking them away by the boatload.
Speaker 2:yeah, taking them away. How prison. You just snatched your Lord cancer, I mean yeah yeah, you're right, yeah, you can easily.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, dude, who's gonna fight for their rights for real? Damn. Yeah, I mean they're homeless, they don't know what's going on. You can get them on anything yeah, of course that's, that's like your pockets exactly anything wow where you're gonna have some type of some crackhead who knows a lot for real their highest shit.
Speaker 1:Like, yeah, like for real, yeah, like you see a lot of dudes like squirming little dudes like squirming around and looking crazy, yeah, nobody gonna feel bad for him. You don't got no family to fight for him. For real, yeah, yeah, so when you use, when I, you know, when you, now that I'm giving you the info, you'll see it a lot more. Yeah, when you see these the big towers, it's like all right, they're gonna clean this up real quick yeah yeah, I even saw when the tornadoes natural disasters developersers love that. That's like buying low. And selling high yeah.
Speaker 1:So yeah.
Speaker 2:I didn't think about that. Wow, so they do that yeah.
Speaker 1:It's a game, it's capitalism, it's economics.
Speaker 2:When high demand, uh, you raise the prices or no, um, yeah, low supply, high demand raise the prices I've I've uh ran into somebody who has a business of uh construction and rebuilding homes and roofs and stuff like that and he told me.
Speaker 2:When I told him, um, that I was out here in Nashville, he just said like, oh yeah, we definitely be doing business out there, didn't it just flood out there? And he said it like it was a payday for him. Yeah, yeah, like I never thought of it like that. Like they go to where the shit which makes sense, yeah, but like, yeah, they go to where it's like didn't have, didn't have tornado, like he almost got hype off this shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah I mean, that's how people make their livings. It sounds disgusting, that's how, but that's how you, you eat and and I mean, and that's just makes people a consumer naturally because now your insurance is going to go up, there's a claim on the home, everything's getting raised and everything costs more. So that just makes that forces you to be a consumer, because you want to be the repairs to your home. Yeah, yeah, because you're off. Doing what you're doing, you're providing for your family.
Speaker 1:You can't fix your roof too yeah yeah, it's still have a life of happiness. It's all encompassing, yeah, yeah, you'll be a consumer forever.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's just to what degree.
Speaker 2:That's a great traveling businessman. You'll always be in the same season in certain places.
Speaker 1:Very much possible. I don't think that's very sustainable.
Speaker 2:What.
Speaker 1:No, I'm just saying in terms of you'll be traveling on the move. That's very much a what is people when you get fired? Or rotation, a constant rotation of people what is that called? Tempt hire. No no, no, no.
Speaker 2:It's like a ratio.
Speaker 1:But yeah, it's going to come to me later on. But it's like it's a revolving door of people to come in. I mean I guess, yeah, yes, so it's that process. It's more like contractors, though.
Speaker 2:That's how I was thinking I guess yeah, yes, so it's that process. It's more like contractors though. That's how I was thinking about it, maybe so.
Speaker 1:You can eat off that, why not?
Speaker 2:Yeah if you're a city, though If your city has certain things, that always happen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and you go into a city that you know you got to start hustling, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm saying like florida has hurricane season, yeah like. So you can have like a certain amount of people that contract to do this job that. You know every single year you're gonna get that true yeah but what I meant by traveling, not necessarily like the boss travels, but like your business, like you can have your business in florida.
Speaker 1:You can have your business in wherever there's fucking tornadoes every year yeah yeah, kind of like tax season, yeah and yeah, for here we're, we're, um, we're probably boring people, but I don't know. Yeah, but we got like we're known for wind and hail damages big in tennessee, so uh, ro, roofs is our number one claims as far as insurance goes, um, so, yes, so there's a lot of roofers here man hail was just coming down like yeah, yeah, last week it was normal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was outside while it was happening and I'm just like it. It clearly wasn't dangerous, or? Anything but it was just falling and I'm like yo, what the fuck like this is?
Speaker 1:it looks just so natural and normal I'm like that's like hard rain yeah, I know right, just like diamonds from the sky kind of yeah, yeah, it's like my damn okay.
Speaker 2:Um yeah, the only time I remember hell for real and it was just crazy, when I was in st louis one time, that that shit, I was young. I don't even remember St Louis, except the Ark, you know, have you ever been to the Ark?
Speaker 1:No, I haven't. Fucking scary the.
Speaker 2:Arch Arch Arch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Arch, whatever. Yeah, you go up this elevator and it goes all the way up and you go to the top and you can oversee the city and it was just scary going up. You ever rode the Zip and Pippin no. No.
Speaker 2:Well, it's a monumental roller coaster that used to be at Liberty Land in Memphis, which is a fair. It's like a fair that everybody went to every year and it was just so it. It was like the main roller coaster that everybody rode. But it felt so old that the roller coaster wasn't scary, but the safety that you felt being on it was scary if you felt like you could just like being on.
Speaker 2:It was scary if you felt like you could just like get off the tracks, like while it's while it's going and I felt that going up the thing, but um yeah, st louis, that shit was like this big and I remember hitting the car and then it it just felt like the glass was gonna crack at any moment I got you. Yeah, that was the only time I I I felt like that yeah, I'm cool man, but what, uh, what else, what else uh, so diddy's trial is starting to begin.
Speaker 1:Oh, so it started? I think so like yeah, I saw something about that yeah, so do you got any early predictions you think you're gonna get? What is? The charge um like he got a lot of stuff Like I think he's got like a RICO charge, like prostitution charge, I'm sure, like some sexual assault, like charges like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. I feel like they'll have a lot of information, mm-hmm, but I don't know, I'm really not sure. I'm really not sure, I just feel like the parties were just like freak parties and in my head I just feel like there's a way to get him around it, not like I'm saying he's 100% innocent and he did nothing wrong. I'm just saying the way the shit is set up.
Speaker 1:It sounds to me more like yeah, human trafficking, sex trafficking, stuff like that.
Speaker 2:It would have to be so concrete. Everything I've heard is more like they was at this party. They was fucking and it shit got crazy and baby oil was there you know, so you know what that means.
Speaker 2:You know, it's just like. Even if some wild shit was happening, the shit gotta be way worse than the cassie video, like in terms of like, not even not even fucking wise. And I saw something and it said like somebody was peeing on her or some shit. And then I heard his daughters was in the room while they were saying that and I was like, damn, that's that sucks. But um, I just, I just feel like they're gonna have a long list of freaky stuff to say, but like and probably some things about you know his aggressiveness or whatever, but I just, I don't know if there would be just like some concrete. This is yo.
Speaker 2:Look at this this is clearly it's trafficking this person like. It's clearly like they have the receipts yeah, yeah, like, not like an argument, you know yeah, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1:I feel like they don't have that concrete receipts. But if you get some, it's it's you. It's very much a jury. So if you get enough people saying you do, you did this thing, they're gonna get a lot of thing. They're going to get a lot of that. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:They're going to get a lot of that. I'm just. It's just like the nail in the coffin the, the, the, that thing. I don't know Cause they would have been had it already. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I think there's kind of how it is and prostitution seems like that's going to be the biggest one, but he got to prove that he was the one who paid them, and you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:But so I think it.
Speaker 1:I think that it will be tough to to find him.
Speaker 1:You have to make sure that the prosecution looks stupid as possible, so if he's able to do that and to look like, hey, they're clearly out just trying to get me, for this reason, I think the lawyers would really have to go out and say this is the reason why they're doing this thing and they won't admit it to you. And that would be my, my approach, because these are, these are clearly false charges and they have no way of proving it by hearsay. And they're they're giving, you know, people who dislike him now, yeah, and who are making money from him or have made money from him, um, but there's a lot of things. So I think he has, he has a fighting chance, but it just depends on how good his lawyers are and making them look stupid. And I would definitely give him a reason why they're doing this to him and why they're railroading him, and they got to show up the receipts now. I doubt that will happen, but that will be my angle every time yeah, I mean it's.
Speaker 2:It's very obvious that there's something clearly going on, yeah, yeah yeah, and you can't have that many people out here trying to like that. Just don't fuck with you well, so it's I mean it's simple. It's simple, right okay.
Speaker 1:So for them, so for as many people that have been on epstein island and them not try to properly investigate and get people you know thrown in prison for that and it was just jeffrey and galane that they have a whole island. Who's maintaining this? There's a lot of people that seen a lot of Different things, and so for you to have To only convict two people Shows you that y'all are not Interested in getting People who are Participating in this, these deviant things.
Speaker 1:So, For them to get Puffy. It's more than just deviancy. It's something bigger Than that. And so this is so we know it's more than just deviancy, it's, it's something bigger than that, and so this is so, so we know it's bs. Yeah, yeah, because so you're gonna. You was already getting puff, uh, public before you the cassie video, and yeah, and you're saying it's deviant so we already know it's bs, so it's something bigger than that yeah, yeah, yeah, he he.
Speaker 2:He pissed a lot of people off but. I mean I? I hear um yeah it's just, it's. It's just a lot of people that just want to come out and just you know, say stuff uh, it's. It's just kind of like damn. I I just remember hearing about kid Cudi car blowing up and after I heard that I was just like I don't know, it's got to be so concrete. Shit like that has to lead directly back to him, and I don't think that's out there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, do I think Puffy is a good person? No, I don't. Oh, yeah, yeah, so that's so. That's a part of him is doing it to yourself. Clearly he's leaving a deviant lifestyle. I'm not gonna come in. That's just very immoral. Now, everything else implicates a lot of people that did this that got a tail. Yeah, so I mean, I ain't going to like I don't want any. So the biggest thing is the liquor company that he sued and that's kind of what stemmed from this. Are you familiar with that? That's right, yeah, but it's a parent company like DiMaggio or something like that was a brand he was suing because of his liquor company wasn't getting the marketing that, uh, the casa casamigos was getting oh, oh yeah because they're in the same brand.
Speaker 1:And then he was suing them for like some civil rights type of thing and it was a legitimate case. And so they was like you have the nerve to sue me I'm paraphrasing, and obviously I'm assuming because I have no idea and then, like you have the nerve assuming me knowing what you about? All right, bet, well, we're about to yeah, you ain't about to get a substantial amount of money. We're gonna gonna get you for that. So, yeah, yeah, you're, you're definitely much a nigga. And you, yeah, yeah, we ain't gonna be stop, you ain't gonna be stopping us. So that was kind of the gist of it and, uh, that's kind of where it's stemming from.
Speaker 1:Otherwise, he's been doing this for years. There's so many stuff that's been out here. A lot of people know a lot of different things and so if they actually want to get them when you know if it was something he was doing wrong, they would have done it a long time ago, because these puppy stuff and allegations have been out for years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's not, it's not just their first time catching wind of it. Everybody's heard about it, everybody's been talking about it. You had several different videos on VladTVs of everything that's happened. They've very much seen it all, so it's a reason why it's happening now and it's definitely, I feel like, because of that liquor company and them hitting that button yeah, yeah, I feel like it's.
Speaker 2:It's usually some some big thing when huge people fall yeah, yeah like. Not necessarily that, not necessarily like his case, where he he clearly has things behind him. Yeah, I'm saying like michael jackson, prince yeah yeah, yeah. I feel like when the money shit really is, uh, the next shit starts to get shaky, then, you know, random shit starts to happen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, Because a lot of people collude with each other and it's a very much. It's a small group of people.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, that work together to make stuff happen and you know people get paid off. There's a lot of bribes that go around, so there's a lot of money in the air and that's the way. That's the rules people play under and that's why I mean this is not our home. This is very much temporary. Everybody gets to face the judgment of the Lord, so that's what I go back to. So you can't really be stuck on what is devilish, demonic behavior, and the devil comes in different forms. You sometimes you think you're doing the right thing, but really you're not. Um, so it's so. Hey, this is so. The devil has his hands to play and everything, and that's kind of what I chuck it up to. Yeah, yeah, it's like all right, you want to be, you want to be on some demonic, sinful stuff. All right, bet, that's going. That's going to be what comes of it and yeah, yeah, and the root of evil, uh, money.
Speaker 1:Money is the root of all evil. Is that what they say? For the love of money. No, for the love of money. Yeah, or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I should know this actually no, I've heard money, but I've heard the opposite.
Speaker 1:What? What's the opposite? Not having money is not evil.
Speaker 2:No, no, as in like, it's basically in the eye of the beholder. Like I can use money to make the world better, but like you can use the money to be selfish and greedy. And da, da da.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but the more money you have, the less likely you're going to use it to make the world better, because so many little people do. If so many people did, the world wouldn't be where it's at. So many.
Speaker 2:That's a nice point. However, I don't feel like we weren't supposed to have abundant lives I don't feel like abundant lives and like being a king, queen, uh uh, being leaders in communities, having people that you can lead, and this, this, that and the other. I feel like wealth is a part of that. So I don't think just having money is just like the root of evil. I think if I were to think like that, then it could be.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm not saying being wealthy is, in nature, evil. That's not what I'm saying. I think that it leads. It can very much lead to that I'll have to send you the Bible scripture. But the more money you have, the harder it is to live a more noble life, and that's just how it goes, definitely in this society. So my thing is who are some several people that's doing it right?
Speaker 2:I mean, there will be no way to tell. I feel like. I also feel like the more money you have, the easier it is to um, not necessarily easier it is. Everything gets harder, I do believe, as you get more and more and more and more and more, um, but I'm saying more so. If there was a person who did not want to be the face of anything, I think it's super easy to like hide out yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:And and the one. The reason why I point to this is because when I said the people who was doing right because you're right, very much right and saying, yeah, there's no really way of knowing that, but you can name the people who are doing wrong, wait that's what I'm saying. They're usually the face of something no, I'm just saying it just in general. You can just name a lot of people who have a bunch of money that's doing it wrong.
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't really know too many.
Speaker 1:You know that I'm just saying the, the, the billionaires that you can name, are they doing it right? I wouldn't know. I don't know, of course not. I'm just saying because you would know if they were, because why wouldn't? You know, because it'll be a lot of wealth they'll be distributing to others to make make sure it, because one you don't need all of it, right? Yeah, and I'm not saying that every them and themselves are evil, but you can clearly like hey, they're coordinating a lot of it, they're not doing it right yeah, yeah because you one, they're part of america.
Speaker 1:They can All the people that's wealthy, that was at Trump's inauguration, can instill Change that you could very well see If they saw fit.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Chicago was the worst city. They could put their money Into Chicago and it'd be very light for them as a collective. Yeah, so I'm just saying you could see people who are doing your.
Speaker 2:You could do it right I also feel like, uh, there's a lot of people that don't show what they do I, and I think that's more cap than what you believe it is I don't think I would I think I would much I think I would, um, I don't know, it's like even.
Speaker 1:I think that I think that you would like I said even to tori lane's he's in prison and he's showing the ability of what he's doing while he's in the impact yeah, that's, that's different well, let's just say that I was, I had like a whole lot of my I'm a billionaire and I got a bunch of people out of jail. I wouldn't post it Like it wouldn't be like that for me, but you will post your uh, your thousand cars on Instagram. No, okay, so so, but we see a lot of that happening.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I ain't talking about them. I'm talking about me yeah, okay, that's easy enough to say okay, so I don't know there gotta be people out there, but that's because there isn't yeah, you don't have the other way to look at that, because I feel like there are people out there that actually don't show you what they're doing and but that's my point is you see more people doing it wrong than you see them doing it right.
Speaker 1:So it's easy to, it's easier to see that that I can agree with that if the if money, if money was done right and the the wealth of money was ultimate um, I'm ultimate good. Like I was just saying, my argument was the more money you have, the tougher it is to be live a righteous life.
Speaker 1:That's pretty much what my argument was, and so I'm able to see that visually. I'm not saying that being wealthy is bad, but it's tougher to live a righteous life with wealth. I'm not saying that I don't want no money. I would like to be wealthy, but I do know that it will be tougher to live a more righteous life because of it, and you can visually see. That's why I was naming the name the billionaires. And he's like I wouldn't do this. It's like, yeah, I understood, you wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying every person who's rich is evil, but I'm just saying you can see so many people doing it wrong, because otherwise you will see a lot more people helping out others than versus what you see with the cars that you see more of the cars on instagram. Then you see them helping out the community. You see more them flashing their wealth, knowing how much they got, versus them helping the community. You just see it naturally. Um, yeah, I don't. I don't know how you can really disagree with that, because I mean you can see that in your own eyes.
Speaker 1:Am I, am I, is that not?
Speaker 2:what we're only targeting a certain am I, am I. Is that not what we're only targeting? A certain people, though, and they're like I don't have my, my argument. I will say that my argument isn't strong enough to go back and forth with you on it, because what I'm saying is for the people that are not, that we cannot see. So, yeah, you're right, because that is the. I see the cars, I see this, and that I see the face of Tesla, the face of Facebook, the face of Amazon, the face of they're the fact, like it's.
Speaker 2:It's, it's something that is attached to something yeah so, yeah, we look at, we literally can see them. So, yeah, we're looking at them. But my argument was was that there has to Well, I believe that there has to be people that don't care about being like faces of certain things or like I'm the one who did this and, you know, is more of like I don't know, like a Batman.
Speaker 1:I think those are few and far between versus what you're making. They're not an abundance of them there's not an abundance of billionaires there's not an abundance of. I didn't just say billionaires, I just used wealth as an example. I was just saying I said flashy cards. I don't see Zuckerberg flashing his Bugatti if he got swung.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying I mentioned them because you said um the trump inauguration and I no no, just saying uh, how you know certain people who's doing it right? So I was just assuming that you were talking about the people that we do know who has the most fucking money. We ain't like. You could have did this and you could have built this city up.
Speaker 1:That's why I named those people yeah, and I was really saying, if you can name the people who are doing right, I can name 10 more people who's doing it wrong naturally yeah, exactly that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:But you're saying that all these people are are super bands and they don't want to be known for anything that they're doing. Right, it's like, yeah, yeah, those noble people are few and far between, because, even if, even if that's the case, I'm the person. That's that's why I was like I take back the tory lane situation, because I'm like show it, that should be inspiring other people on to being helpful, because that people are not knowing you know, the idea of like, hey, I actually you helping out blind children is actually cool. Let me get in on that.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. Showing off or not showing off or inspiring people to make create change is an added benefit to society. Why wouldn't you want to glorify that?
Speaker 2:I mean, I agree with that. I don't know, I'm just not in that space, so that I don't know, I'm just not in that space, so like I don't know. I don't know the type of decisions that need to be made. Like you can be, you're literally in a position of power to where you can move chess pieces on the board. I feel like that's dangerous, like that's a dangerous spot to be in, of course, so that's how you know they're doing it wrong, because it's a dangerous spot to be in.
Speaker 2:So, if doing it right means you're dead or does it? That's what I'm saying, like I don't know what's the right, wrong.
Speaker 1:I mean, we're talking about levels to this right. You know what I mean. Right, yeah, zuckerberg doing it right. Yeah, yeah him doing it right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, he's gonna face some, some consequences for his actions because, yeah, you're not beholding to the system at that point yes so, yeah, you're right about that, but that's that's how you know that they're doing it wrong, because they're beholding to a system that allows them to flourish in it. So you got to be beholding and doing some probably sadistic things that you probably know is wrong in your consciousness that you gotta be a part of so you don't think that there's a way to be one of the wealthiest people on the planet and just live a good fulfilling?
Speaker 2:how do you?
Speaker 1:do that. I'm like like because one so no so I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1:I mean, unless you're a complete innovator that changed a complete the game on something that's nope, nobody's ever thought brought to life. Because, even like the Nikola Tesla, the person who was inspired the Tesla company or that where the name came from they. They said he created energy from thin air. Yeah, yeah, that you can actually create energy from Just the air and that be able to power something. They said that's what killed him. So, yeah, yeah, so you're.
Speaker 1:So, you, being that type of Innovator, you're not going to be long lasting. Only, you're a capitalistic society, so you need a certain amount of people To work for you and somewhat hold You're in a competition platform. So there's a business that you're probably going to take out of business in order to fulfill, to flourish. So I mean, you're a giant. You're going to step on people To get to where you're going. How many companies did Jeff Bezos? You hear him all the time Like Netflix, blockbuster is out, amazon is out, toys R Us is gone, this is gone, this is gone. There's a lot of businesses that are destroyed Because of your presence. So it's not going to be no happy. Go lucky To where everybody wins. Now, a lot more people wins when you're here. But it's not going to just be no happy-go-lucky to where everybody wins when you're now a lot of people, but more people wins when you're here.
Speaker 2:But you're definitely going to step on, destroy some stuff on the way up I mean, heavy is the head that wears the crown, though, yeah, so, like you said that, you're just saying it's not possible that's exactly what I'm.
Speaker 1:I'm saying it's going to. That's why I said it got to be some type of innovate. You gotta, you know, be, uh, create something that cures cancer. For you not to do that. Even then you're going to probably destroy some medical companies yeah. Yeah, so it's but I'm just saying, even then you're going to destroy some you know, some healthcare fields in that process. So it's it's never just a clean slate. There's going to be somebody whose life is ruined because you got into the game if you're going to flourish that's an interesting perspective.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean yeah, amazon's drivers drive every day to fulfill package and people. They get attacked by dogs and die. Where do we just go? I'm just saying like, just because your business presence, people are going to be working for you and they in the process of a business president. People are going to be working for you and in the process of them not working they're going to be getting paid to make your business, money and for you to be profitable and they're going to die in that act.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying you're evil because of that, I'm just saying there's just no clean slate to it. Is pretty much what I'm saying and I can say we could all have that simple, simple form to it and I don't want to take it that far because I just did but but nonetheless you are going to be stepping on toes anytime you're getting up that some type of power, I mean, yeah, I would definitely assume that I guess that's not really where I was coming from.
Speaker 2:The the main thing that I was saying was uh, I think the base of the foundation of what we were talking about was was uh, I think the base of the foundation of what we were talking about was. From my point of view, all I was trying to say is I do believe I don't know, because I feel like with every tier of life, with every um, uh tier of success and status and uh, uh, uh wealth, um, you know, and leadership roles and all this shit, it's going to come with something. But I do feel like we were not supposed to be like the middleman. I feel like, well, I mean, I can't say everybody, because that's kind of like. You know, there are people that just like love to work. You know, there are people that love the McDonald's job and love that type of stuff, and I have friends that you know it's just like they love just doing this thing, not even caring about a management role or whatever.
Speaker 2:They just want to do this one thing, but inside, I do feel like a lot of us are not meant to do that Like we're. We're meant, we're actually meant to be wealthy, we're meant to change the world in a good way, and you know, and, and with sometimes, or what I'm speaking of is a lot of resources a lot of wealth and things like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I, I mean that's that sounds great, Well, but I think it's wishful thinking in a lot of things, Definitely if you don't have God in mind I don't, yeah, and I think a lot of that comes from religion and giving back is not on the forefront of people's mind. Um, I, I just see it more times than not. I mean, of your friends who got a little bit of money do you see, do you see them truly impacting people's lives on a daily basis?
Speaker 1:um the quick answer is no on a weekly basis, maybe, like, like for the good, like, hey bro, I'm about to actually volunteer for the homeless, uh periodically not. Yeah, not weekly I mean yeah, yeah monthly, like like, yeah, periodically, yeah, they'll do something nice for somebody every once in a while yeah but, but yeah, but, this altruistic person that you, that you feel exists. There's a lot of them.
Speaker 2:That's very interesting.
Speaker 1:But I think that's more. That's very interesting. That is such a small percentage, it's almost negligible. And that's somebody who comes from a mentor who's in advocacy space. I see now, when we talk about the church my church in particular they go over and beyond to where you don't have time to um, watch a show, uh, invest in a business, cause they invest in a business and bigger brand and make it as big as what you think it should be because you're working with people who need help. So. So, for example, they go to.
Speaker 1:We have, at one point in time, before covid, after church, go to the nursing room. We gotta sing, we gotta do prayer, we gotta pass out stuff. We, there's a funeral, we gotta go and you know, speak at the funeral, be a part of it and do usher, there's just so many. Then they got um, we got uh by um, um, gospel meetings that, yeah. So gospel means we go to different church, speak, be a part of. There's just so much things that you can do that take so much of your time, from jails to prisons, like all those are not riching, not going to enrich you. I could enrich.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, so so the the people that you speak of, is going to be very tough for them to make money because they're working within the community on a daily, weekly, monthly basis to where it makes it more difficult to spend that time because you got to give your time somewhere. There's only 24 hours in a day. You got to eat, sleep and take care of your family I mean, yeah, so, so that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:It's like yeah, I can, I can. It's it's great to think how you thinking, but to me it's a little bit naive at the end of the day, because there's only this. If we should be able to name those people, if it was such an abundance of of it happening I still don't think they say everything.
Speaker 2:It's kind of corny to do that. What um just like I don't know, like anytime I see somebody helping somebody and they post it. It's just like all right. So if you keep going up the ladder, I can for sure expect people to help out and we never hear, of course, yeah, they like I said, it's periodic.
Speaker 1:They will help out and you and they'll help out sometimes. Yeah, if I ain't never helping out nobody and I help out this one person. It'll be corny to post that, but if I do this work on a daily basis, yeah then.
Speaker 1:Then you post it to inspire, because that's the work that you do. You're in the advocacy space, you're making change. It's only right for somebody who's in the church to post what they do for the church. That might be inspiring somebody else, that might give somebody closer to god, that may bring more people in, that may inspire more people to help. Why would you not post that? But if you're doing it, but if, but if you're doing a clout thing every once in a while, it's like, bro, this is not what you're known to be. You're only chasing clout just to get for likes. Yeah, that's one thing. But if this is what you truly about, that's not cloudy at all, easily able to, um to, to discern.
Speaker 2:So um, I mean in a in a way, um, I don't know, I can see both, like I can see. Um, I don't know, I can see both. I can see someone. I see what you're saying about someone having you know periodic stuff or whatever, but I also see somebody knowing that this business that they're running will definitely help out way more people than if they were available every friday and saturday to help out people right, but that sounds good in theory, but that's ultimately not what happens, because then that's exactly what happens so you run the business, you build.
Speaker 2:Tyler Perry can run the business. Do this be a, I guess a billionaire now yeah, and then now every Christmas, thanksgiving, this day, and this day, this day he helps so many people because he built this thing that can yes, he can probably step on toes and do this and all that yeah but at the same time he has built a consistent cycle of resources that can also be filtered out into the community and that's why.
Speaker 1:That's why I feel like the naive stuff comes into place yeah you can have Tyler Perry who helps out a lot of people in situations that can uplift some people at moments. But you also hear Tyler Perry can ruin your life if you hear from stories like Monique, yeah. So yeah, you have stories of him helping. You have stories of him not helping. But there's also, when I talk about, the naive part about it is it's a business, it is your. Every business is a risk. So the odds of you getting to a Tyler Perry are very slim Anybody, not just saying you in particular. So you're going to put a lot of money back in your business to grow it. So you're not going to be having this altruistic approach of giving away at a time. That's not how it goes. So you're going to be investing in, investing in people. So the less likely you are to just give it bluntly is a very more slim, but I mean that would be stupid that's what.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying so I'm so so you're ultimately agreeing with me. So no, I'm saying that you can point.
Speaker 2:Uh, my point is that you can be this person to uh, we all agree on that.
Speaker 1:So what are you? What are you not understanding what I'm saying? That the odds of that happening is very slim. Yeah, yeah, that's what that's. What I'm saying is like we all agree that everybody, a person, a good person to have money. I've never disagreed with you on that, but what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:We all agree that you can be a good person and have money. I've never disagreed with you on that, but I'm just saying you would see that more times than not If that was the odds of it happening. I said the odds of that not happening are slimmer. Yes, you can give money periodically. I give money to the homeless every time. Am I impacting their lives? Not really To a certain degree, but this ain't something that's going to save them. But if I'm making a true impact, that's something that takes a lot of time and a lot of investment to actually make. But yeah, I could buy toys for somebody every christmas. Is that that was a nice gesture? For sure? But we talking about impact, we talking about change, yeah, yeah, yeah, tyler perry, buying, you know, buying everybody who was on uh layaway is a nice gesture, you don't think?
Speaker 2:there's anything deeper than that that these people.
Speaker 1:I'm sure there is possibly okay yeah, I'm sure, but also they are. They are wealthy billionaires that have destroyed people as well.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying so. We just sounds like you said ain't nobody good out there I.
Speaker 1:I don't know why you keep on saying that. Where are you getting that from?
Speaker 1:because you keep going back to, because I'm saying he did that but because I said, the odds are of you. The more wealthy, the more difficult it is. I've said that in the beginning. So so I'm just saying, for every person that you can name, I can name 10 other people. I'm not saying that there's nobody that does good ever when they got money. That is not what I'm saying at all. But I'm just saying there are more cases than not of people showing you that the more wealthy you get, the more difficult it is to actually be do good with it, like you do good things absolutely, but the odds of that happening over the course of time are slimmer than it is yeah, no, I agree with you on it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree with you on that. I just said that, um, that you know, with my argument to that there are other people. It would just be hard to even fight that because, like, like I said, we don't, we can only go after what we see.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, like that's that's anything, right, yeah, so so I agree with what you're saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, we only have that evidence of what we know to be true, and I'm just saying if I'm wrong. If this was not the case, then you would see a lot more. It would be obvious to us, but since it's obvious and it's a hard time for us to think and we can think of people how they're using those ways for bad, then it's not obvious and that just easily from our vision and our own experience, that you can see that the more wealth you get, the more difficult it is to be righteous with it.
Speaker 2:I mean that's that's been in so many songs, yeah, like, and you, you see it a lot too. I mean it's that's hard to. It's literally like it's you can only outside. What's like outside looking in. Uh, until you like literally in that situation. Uh, because I do feel like most of those people, like I said, can move chess pieces on the board and that shit is like great, like beyonce and jay-z can inspire people to pick another president. It's crazy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they have a lot of influence and a lot of money.
Speaker 2:Those are people that's in the face, in the front of the crowd.
Speaker 1:I'm not trying to discourage people from getting wealthy. It's probably what it sounds like you're somewhat defending. I want to be wealthy, I want to make great changes. It's like, yeah, that sounds noble now, but that is way more difficult than whatever you think is going to happen. It just is naturally Because otherwise everybody would have a school. It would be so noticeable that it's like dang, this is yeah, this is something I aspire to. But I'm saying, if it was that easy, then you would see it just naturally that never said it was easy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it, it was the, it was the way you spoke on it and the way you defended it. To where? Yeah?
Speaker 2:so I was like, okay, like we should, we um, there are a lot of people that even, um, I don't know these people verbatim, but, um, I just see it a lot like in the bible that people had stuff like I don't abundance of things, of stuff like I don't abundance of things of land, animals, this, that community, the leaders of certain communities, whatever it was just like and then they built a whole city here.
Speaker 2:Then they did this like that's not just in today's land, a nigga with a couple thousand dollars, like that's like people who can move and shake some shit. I feel like there are a lot of people that um, uh, uh, that that live a certain way, that don't even know that, like a lot of us actually, I feel, are actually supposed to be wealthy and we're like trained in this mind that we're not supposed to have, or we I don't, we can only get to set level, and I think it's all like a trick. I feel like we it's, it's a mental thing. So, yeah, I wasn't battling anything you say. Honestly, I agree with, like, most of what you were saying. Yeah, I just feel like there's a disconnect sometime, cause I used to think that my first thing I used to think was, like man, money is the root of all evil.
Speaker 1:I don't never want like too much money, cause I used to say shit like that all the time, and I think it's for the love of money. Yeah, what do you mean? For the love of money is the root of all labor, or something like that no, no, I think, yeah, I I I have to re-look at the scripture but yeah, yeah, yeah I'm not.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying that have inspiring to to be rich is a bad thing to have wealth is not in itself a bad thing, but it's harder to be righteous no life, life's got it's got to be more.
Speaker 2:It changes everything.
Speaker 1:So that's what. So that's what I'm saying. It makes things more difficult when you have more money.
Speaker 2:No, absolutely, and going back, to your point of like you will, you, you will have to step on. Like, the bigger your block is, the less than somebody's block yeah exactly so yeah, no, I agree with you on that, yeah yeah, and then there are other powers that be that see you and like, yeah, yeah, like hold on, you're doing yeah, yeah, you're doing, you're doing a lot right now too much.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, there's a lot of balance. You know, even my, my small little circle, it's like they, you people, see you doing right and they don't like it. You felt that before I. I feel Like they may not love when their life is and it's less of Working together and you can see there's some jealousy that happens there.
Speaker 2:I hate that word. I hate that word. What?
Speaker 1:you mean jealous, what, what?
Speaker 2:so we'll break it down for me what you mean there was a shout out to my friend I'm not, I'm not gonna um say certain names or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we really ended today, huh yeah, yeah but uh, shout out to um, my friends and my close friends and stuff. But there were two different situations that I'm going to say and I've always just been this way of like I can have a hole in my shoe and there could be a dude next to me with some nice shoes on, I'd be like, hey, that my hole's fresh. I've always been like that. So I had a friend once. He was like you know something, something was happening with you, you know, and um, and.
Speaker 2:and he just said like uh, yeah, and I just got jealous, like I got jealous like when you did this, but he said it in a way like it was okay, it was just because he didn't. He the word didn't mean how I take it understood, which is like I believe is the reality of the word which is like it's.
Speaker 2:It's not of god for real but the shit is like literally hating, hey, yeah you're hating you're hating and then you're using your to cloud you know the thought of we could be doing this together or whatever, and it's just kind of like that would make you sad to see me win more I have friends, my friends To see me win more.
Speaker 2:I had friends, my friends got the new whip every other week this, this, then I'll see their page. And then I'm like I if there is a sense of that because there have been times where I haven't been like where I am here, or or or the, the, the spread or the gap between me and like a successful friend was like huge and initially, looking at it, and I think, depending on who I was hanging around, all that type of shit probably had like some of that in there. But as soon as any of that shit gets in my head, like damn, like this might keep winning so you probably should have used the word insecure.
Speaker 1:That made me insecure, but that's. That's less of a word that he probably wants to say in front of anybody.
Speaker 2:Yes, that type of shit. And then that happened in a relationship as well I was in and you know I used to think so highly of that person that, like to me, they were always winning.
Speaker 2:They were always doing so well, and I'm like I knew that every day I was working to catch up to wherever the fuck they was going, because to me in my head, they were so much farther than me and then one day I looked up and I had, you know, um, I was just doing a lot of things that were that, that were um, I feel like on the path of my purpose and stuff like that, and it was all like at once. And then they just told me one day, while they were basically going through depression and they were like, you know, I'm just like kind of jealous of like what you have going and this, this and that, and then that kind of like broke my heart because I'm like damn, and somebody you was in a relationship with, in a relationship with, oh wow, yeah, and I was like damn.
Speaker 2:Like you know, through this whole relationship, I never look, you were winning the whole time and like I'm sitting here looking at me, looking at your wins, like man, steve, you gotta get this shit together because your ass gonna be left behind. And you know, not, not in the term of I'm jealous, but just like you know, a motivational, like, like fire under the ass type thing. Like you know, you have to keep elevating people around you and I just take jealousy as just like this thing. That is just not. It's not, it's not good, it's literally to me. I take it as bad, like yeah, get away yeah, that's a.
Speaker 1:That's a bad word to use. Yeah, um, I think, at the end of the day, do they want to see you succeed. Yes, yeah, yeah yeah I think they're just. What they really probably mean is hey, I'm insecure, yeah, because you're doing so well, and it shows me how it's highlighting my failures in their way.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Because I can't match that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I think insecure is definitely the better word.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, but at the end of it because you know, jealous. I feel like that's something they say. I don't want you to have that thing.
Speaker 2:Because it makes me feel better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, and that could be a part of it. Yep, but that's very hateful, but I think they want you to have it, but they want more for themselves too, and if they had more of themselves, then they wouldn't be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a thin line. Yeah, yeah, it's very blurry right there. Yeah, literally, but that's not.
Speaker 1:But if that person felt that way for you, they have to. They have a lot of healing for themselves to do and can't be a great partner to anybody if they have that mindset. Yeah, because it's okay to feel like damn I should have been. Or you can mindset, yeah, because it's okay to like damn I should have been.
Speaker 1:Or like you could feel like damn, I wanted that too. Yeah, he got that before I did. Uh-huh, yeah, yeah, that's a part of you. But if that's a a strong feeling, constantly like you, that's a that's a damn feeling. But you know everybody, you may feel something at the one like bro, I'm hating, you know, yeah, and then you move on.
Speaker 2:You'd be happy yeah, that should be coming real quick from you.
Speaker 1:I mean it's competitive, yeah yeah. Yeah, like at a football game, you just beat our ass. You know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, that could be jealous, but at the same time I wanted to win. You know, what I mean, but if that's a long-lasting feeling and you hate them because of it, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's some stuff you got to hear mmm but hey, but, but you could be like bro, I wanted that so bad, but the best man one, yeah, yeah there are definitely different ways of saying things.
Speaker 2:I guess yeah, it's just one of my things is just like that jealousy shit and, of course, like the, the, the, the situations that I talked about, these aren't people who are just like straight up, just like evil people. You know, but I just I do feel like huge big things, huge, huge tragedies, huge shifts, and starting or ending relationships do start small and that shit is just like a scary thing for me to hear because it's kind of like foreshadowing a little bit. Yeah yeah but.
Speaker 1:I think we did it. Yeah, I think yeah. Well.
Speaker 2:Here I am still slunk down.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I think we all got there I was trying to fix it, knocking things over in the middle of it. But hey, we're here, we're at the end of it. Yeah. Well, this is Two for the Culture, and we'll be back for another episode. I love y'all.
Speaker 2:We.