Two for the Culture
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Two for the Culture
Mindset Mastery and Self-Perception
Justin and Steven explore how our thoughts and words shape our reality, discussing everything from delayed gratification to the power of self-perception and intentional communication.
• Delayed gratification as a key to success, using the metaphor of scarecrows being intelligent because they work towards long-term rewards
• The importance of treating yourself with grace rather than harsh criticism when you fall short of goals
• How being intentional with your words can transform your mindset from limitation to possibility
• Understanding that what you think others think about you is actually what you think about yourself
• The psychology behind success mindsets and how language around money can either limit or expand opportunities
• How childhood and early experiences shape current behaviors and content creation choices
• The value of open communication with children rather than forcing them into predetermined paths
And we are back with another episode of Two for the Culture. I'm Justin Devante, steven Rafe. Yes, sir, we're back.
Speaker 2:What's going on in your world, how you doing Doing good man. Doing good, I feel good, I mean, I feel. I think the word is fulfilled, I guess, like with life in general. I'm ready to lock back in though, like we were talking about before we started recording. How about you?
Speaker 1:I feel good you know, I've just have a little bit more time to do other things, and you know I'm with you on that. I just want to continue to make sure I'm utilizing my time right now to continue to make sure I'm utilizing my time right yeah, and making sure that when I'm on the health journey, that, you know, all my work previously is not in vain.
Speaker 1:Yeah, by by taking, you know, by thinking that I can do like, uh, your cheat meals. But for me that cheat meal spirals into something much, you know. But of course then I got to get back into it. Yeah, yeah. And then all the time I took was not even there was no point to it.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, because then I'm just back in that loop again, yeah, yeah. So just trying to make sure that I'm utilizing my time wisely, stay disciplined and then everything else will pay off. So not being patient and not trying to rush it, yeah yeah, yeah, so just yeah, exactly, stick to the routine.
Speaker 1:yeah, because once you do that, then, um, over time the results are there. Like you know, if you invest in an ira account, like put money back you, you know, for saving for your retirement, you ain't going to be a millionaire overnight, but all that $100 a week or whatever you put in a couple dollars a week, will add in over time and you will finally see that end result Right. And so just taking that into my own life, because I don't know, if you hear about scarecrows like, what makes scarecrows like so intelligent? Uh-huh, um, is I haven't okay.
Speaker 1:So they say that scarecrows have a high iq. Um, and what makes them have a high iq is that they're not like majority of animals, to where they're not doing things for instant gratification. Oh, meaning that they're willing to put in work over time to get the result that they want.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I haven't heard that.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So it's like results and you know they'll come back to something, knowing that this will help them over time instead of trying to get that one thing at that moment.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I haven't heard that. I know it's like another black bird, maybe a raven, something like this, like one of the smartest.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and ravens scarecrows, yeah, yeah, yeah, they, they cousins you know, yeah, is that like a different word for it. I mean, I think there are, yeah, yeah, cheetah jaguar you know what I mean? They're different, but they're yeah, same thing. I think probably a raven is really the thing. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I just like scarecrow, Scarecrow definitely sounds like a nickname For a raven For something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I did hear about that and pigeons. Yeah, yeah, I did hear about that, and and pigeons. I think yeah, they're smarter than what people think. Like that, I think that's how, I don't even know. I mean it's got to be real, like back then they used to send messages yeah, like what birds and shit how would you even do?
Speaker 1:that I have no idea, like hope for the best, but oh yeah, yeah, it's, that's absolutely. Yeah, I need to actually look into that more because that's really fascinating. Yeah, how is?
Speaker 1:that even possible yeah, there's probably some, a lot of people whose love letters never made it right, right, yeah, but somehow it gets to where it needs to. I mean, you hear that about the eagles, you know, and different things like that. They'll attach it to their you know little legs or whatever. But yeah, that doesn't sound real, but apparently that may have been a real thing.
Speaker 2:That's crazy. That seems like that's a lot of intense training.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but how do you?
Speaker 2:it's not like you can fly your damn self so how do you train it to go where you need to? Yeah, that far, yeah, yeah, yeah, because I definitely just thought about it. I'm like, all right, I could see, maybe they train it like in the, the half a castle or whatever from this side to that side, but going from one kingdom to another.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah and maybe you know it's like the movies. I mean we're clearly getting up from the movies and like it's not as what we think. It is Probably yeah, because that just sounds crazy yeah it really does.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like, how does a bird not be deterred? Like, do a detour of some sorts, right? Yeah, yeah, I don't know, yeah, who knows? But yeah, so just not with the, you know, just putting in the work over time, not trying to rush it, because I can really do that to where, like, I'll do a lot of the stuff to lose the water weight or lose the weight in general and then just turn around and just gain it again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I do it sometimes too. Yeah, my main thing with myself is just just. I don't speak badly on myself like anymore, it's just I just treat it with grace. I just wake up and be like all right, bro, you did that, you know. It just takes a step for real.
Speaker 1:So that's, that's helped me a lot. Did you speak badly on yourself in the past, like, yeah, like you can, you can, um, like it's helped me a lot.
Speaker 2:Did you speak badly on yourself in the past, like yeah, like you can, you can.
Speaker 1:Like it's pretty much a norm.
Speaker 2:So like, if I Like right now, like I could say I can look at things like I told you, like now you know I want to lock back in, you know I'll wake up and I got big dreams, you know, know, so I can't just be out here going to bars all the time, like because I'm not gonna fulfill whatever I was supposed to do, versus, you know, like everybody, that's just like one of my things.
Speaker 2:So, um, but I just treat myself with grace because, if not, then I used to have a norm of saying like damn, you fucked up. Or like damn, you like, let's say, if I don't work out for five days straight and I just last week I had a body, and then now this week it just don't look the same, I'm like damn, you just fucked yourself off from the shit that you know you did, and like saying that doesn't help anything. So, like you know, it's like all right, you had your fun. You know, just just one day at a time, just show up, and usually that, just that helps me, um, it just helps me lock back in it's just over time, okay, yeah, yeah I'm very, very, I think, like one of our first episodes.
Speaker 2:I was just like saying how intentional I am with my words. Yeah, like it's so powerful, so I don't. I don't speak badly to my, I don't give a what I did I don't speak badly at all.
Speaker 2:I remember that time I told you, I told you like, uh, my first day here, and I just went crazy, like I was just too happy and they had a bar downstairs. I was getting to know the guy, the bartender, um, and yeah, I guess he with me or something, because he was just like I didn't even realize how much liquor he was pouring into these cups. But all that to say, like I woke up the next day and I'm looking through my text messages and like it's just a bunch of shit I don't remember saying to people. And then I'm like, damn, I probably could look at this like, um, you know, damn, I fucked up yesterday or I I probably ruined this relationship or friendship or whatever just saying something stupid, but then I'm just like I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's way easier if I don't look at myself like as a failure. Yeah you know what I'm saying, so I'm just like all right, bro, you you had your fun, you, you, you made a little mishap, but it's all good. You know who you are, so you know, just take this, treat everything with grace right, I, I love, I love that. You know, I extremely have that problem like yeah, it takes a lot of time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, um yeah, and you know I have that problem to where I think about things. It just comes to our brain. I'm like dang I can't believe I did that thing 10 years ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah you should stop, yeah, yeah yeah, cause it's?
Speaker 1:it reminds me the story about Saul and there's a scripture and he speaks to what you just mentioned. You know Saul. He changed his name to Paul and you know he was a persecutor of Christians.
Speaker 2:You said what? Yeah, yeah, yeah, too many people. What was it Abram Abraham? Yeah. You said what? Maybe changing their names? Yeah, yeah, yeah, too many people. What was it Abram Abraham? Yeah, sarai, sarah, like why y'all keep doing that? Yeah, I got you, I got you, I mean.
Speaker 1:I think it's a reflection of their newer self.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I get that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, I didn't never really think about it too much, but there is a lot of name changing. But yeah, so Saul became Paul. He was a persecutor of Christians and became one, but he speaks to that. He's, like you know, not necessarily living with regret, but not too much reflecting on the past and moving forward. Just because of all his things. I'm sure there was a lot of what he did and I think it's okay to self-reflect, but not harping on that and taking that internally, because that can slow down your progression or make you not want to move forward Absolutely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And I mean there's something to traumatization with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, To where you know you can get. You can be sucked. I mean, even when you get like when I worked in sales is that when you hear no enough times, you assume that their next customer is going to tell you no, so you no longer sell them that product. Yeah, because you just assume because you've. So you no longer selling that product? Yeah, because you just assume because you've heard so many no's, so you go back to what you know, what you think they may like, and making decisions for them. And I can be caught in doing that in my own everyday life as well. Yeah, to where it's like, yeah, I know she ain't going to like that, so and then it becomes reality.
Speaker 2:Yeah, literally, you just spoke that shit into existence, and I have another point, too, that I want to say. But I wanted to say something else first. The point that I want to make it has something to do with people, how people perceive you. Right, I'm going to get back to that, just in case I forgot. Forgot, I just told you. But uh, nah, man, being super intentional with my words is like I didn't know how negative I was thinking about everything until I started to try to cut that off. And um, cut that off, and um, it's really bad. Like it was really, really bad and I saw how I could get caught up in depression and like if I don't work out for four days straight.
Speaker 2:And then I'm like damn like I might wake up on day five, and now I made the habit of not working out. And then I'm like man, fuck it what's another day.
Speaker 2:But I literally just made that my reality, instead of just showing up. And every time I just show up, even like moving in here, I do need to like zone back in on the workouts and shit, but it's like just showing up, just touch the weights, like that shit helps a lot, like you're giving yourself grace. It's not like you're telling yourself all right, I got to, all right, I have to do all of this two-hour workout to get off of the shit that I fucked myself over over the past week. It's just like just show up, up and then everything else will, will, will come. And another point I don't say things like it's two things that I do.
Speaker 2:Now I speak sort of in the millionaire. I tell myself I already have it, like it's already been done type thing. Okay, what's the strategy behind that? It changes your mind. Because when you say I'm going to be a millionaire, like you're speaking in lack, so like you're literally telling the universe um, like I'm going to be. If I say I'm going to be confident, that means I'm not. You get what I'm saying. Uh, what was it? I was just a washing machine yeah, it just sounds like the.
Speaker 1:Uh, the coffee maker got bubble guts. The coffee maker got bubble guts.
Speaker 2:But yeah, it's in a place of lack, so and that's what everything. So I don't tell, I don't say things like even if I don't have the money to do something, I don't say like this is expensive Because it's only expensive because I don't have. So my mind is telling me like if there's a pretty girl right here and if I think that I'm not on her level, I'm not going to talk to her like I'm on her level.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:It completely shapes the reality of things.
Speaker 1:It just feels like a lot of mental gymnastics.
Speaker 2:Yes, but also I believe that's how I believe, that's how, like I feel, like it's all connected to life in general. So that could be opportunities that could be like, damn, I ain't ready. But if you tell yourself, man, I had a great interview and all that before it even happened, like they love me, I used to say when I was at your house and I was looking for jobs, that helped me with every single interview because I just looked at it like in, like I already did it, it's already done. They love me that and the interview will go well, whether I got it or not. So, um, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2:I don't tell myself things are expensive. I don't do that because then it just makes me feel like I don't. I'll make a habit of doing that. So if I make a habit of it, then I'll walk past places and be like, nah, I can't go in here because I da-da-da-da, and I'll stay in that space, not knowing that I'm training my brain to think that this is an expensive place. I can't go in here, you know, versus like I don't know, it's just like a different way of thinking.
Speaker 2:You right, it is mental gymnastics for real yeah, it is, but it helps.
Speaker 2:I believe that's the path of of believing. I feel like it's all interconnected, so like if I say something like that in a place of lack, I don't even believe that I deserve that or whatever. And I feel like it's connected with God in general because, like I've never what's the terms? Like he gives you you know, stuff that you can handle and um, I feel like life is just like abundant in general. It's just the way that you look at things and I feel like if I'm telling myself like I can't do this or I don't have this to do, that I'm gonna stay in that place, and I feel like that's also a way of not believing in what's yours you know what I'm saying Like it cuts it off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think there's a healthy balance to me, because you know a lot of what you're saying. I want to take it and apply myself. But I also live in the literal sense, to where if my bank account is in the negatives, I ain't go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is expensive. For what is that? For my means, yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I don't know if I can rationalize it in that way, but I agree to the point to where you're talking about the woman who is out of your league or the thing that you desire and you can negatively perception because of how, because of what state you're in at that moment, or whatever. So I can see that and that makes sense and I can gladly apply a form of that to my life. But if something, whether I got it or not, is $1,000, I'll be looking like these shoes are $1,000. I got it. I'm still not going to pay for that thing, you know. So I think, and then also like not to say that you're saying this, but there's a. Is there an element of being humble in what you, what you say?
Speaker 2:What do you?
Speaker 1:mean, like, in what you, what you're saying, what do you mean? Like, um, like I don't want to come off as arrogant when I when in that state that you're in, you know, because like one interview, like an interview, I could be in in there, you know, I'm, of course, I'm selling myself to them and I want to also come out confident, but I also want to be humble. It's like, hey, this is an opportunity, um, that I believe I can help you in, but also I want to be a part of this because of yada, yada, yada. You know what I mean? No, well, cause it just is. I mean, there's just a part of it to where I can feel like, yes, I want to take elements of that, but then it can come off as like I'm lack of humility in a sense.
Speaker 2:How.
Speaker 1:Um, just what and I was just more so speaking about that, like the interview portion of things, yeah, and I'm and I'm saying it like almost disagreeing with myself, but I'm just saying a healthy balance of both. It's like, hey, I'm living in reality, yeah, yeah, yeah, but everything ain't going to be positive. That's just not life. You know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And also I want to make sure that I'm coming off as confident and humble, but it's not so much arrogant as well. I'm not saying that, you're saying that, but that's where my mind is kind of going to, so I was just trying to clear that up in a sense there's a sense of um.
Speaker 2:No, I completely agree with that way of thinking. I mean, that's the normal way of thinking um, in terms of, like, just living in reality. Like I may not be in this girl's league at all, she may not with me, but I feel like I feel like there's more power in becoming who I know I am in thinking the other way, right and growing and growing into that person.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think that's where you was going when you was like. I want to talk about perception as well, oh, yeah, yeah. Because to that point it's like who's to say, who's in anybody's league? Yeah, that's a perception thing.
Speaker 2:Oh, right, yeah, Okay, so now we're here, so I saw a post one time and it said you know how, hopefully I'm going to say this, right, but you know how, if you were to walk into a room and let's say like everybody sees you, and you think, let's say like you walk to a room and then everybody sees you, and then, like you already know, like if, um, let's say, let's say everybody has on blue and you have on red, and you walk into a room, everybody got on blue, you got on red. You look around you like damn, they like this nigga got on red. Look around you like damn, they like this got on red. You know like he didn't get the vibe, he didn't pick that up. You know, when you think like that you're, you're telling. How do I explain it?
Speaker 2:well, the better way to explain it is you're telling yourself what you think about yourself and I was like damn, like that's like so real, so like if I, I've done that all the time, everybody does it. Like you think you think about what somebody else is thinking about you, but in reality it's what you think about yourself, but in reality it's what you think about yourself. Then you're like tricking yourself to think like damn, they think that I just go back to the girl. This girl's like out of my league. You're telling yourself you're not worthy enough for her. So like you're literally it's, it's, it's the thoughts. Like in your head is literally again like shaping your reality when in reality ain't.
Speaker 1:Nobody was probably paying attention to you when you walked in or maybe like that's a fire's red suit, yeah, so pause real quick. Have you watched the movie?
Speaker 2:crazy, stupid, love dog great movie you want to get out of here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah it's a, it's a great movie, but what to your point, when, um, uh, steven, steve carell was at the uh beauty shop, or whatever, getting his haircut and then she and he was like you know, would you sleep with her? I think ryan, ryan gosling was saying that to the barber, she like or uh, beautician, or whatever you call her hairdresser. And she was like yeah, I would, and he's like you would, and he's like, and then you saying that now she's, it's self-doubt you know, now you're doubting it.
Speaker 1:So him saying that is like that was what he was giving off with himself, like she's out of my league, yeah. And now that he passed that on to her she's like now doubting it, yeah. So it's just to kind of to your point.
Speaker 2:Yep, yeah that is that I don't like. Yeah, brother, like when you like, take a step back and like, think about thoughts and what, how, how, whatever reality you have, it comes from your, your thoughts, your thought process. So I could, I could go to a bar and say, oh, there's a lot of I don't know. I, I went, I went to a bar and say, oh, there's a lot of I don't know.
Speaker 2:I went to a bar, like last week and I thought this I was like everybody in here is having a different experience. So like I could be saying, yeah, the music sucks here. Or I could say the food is terrible, but somebody else is like the food is great here, you know, and all they did was probably just order something else, or I probably just came in on the wrong song or some shit. But we all have a different reality. And if I was sitting on this side of the bar and there's like it's mainly men, but if I sat on that side of the bar and it's mainly women, it's two totally different nights. So I don't know, I just think about that stuff.
Speaker 2:All the bar and it's mainly women. It's two totally different nights. So, um, I don't know, I just think about that stuff all the time. So that's why I don't I'm so careful with how I speak to myself, how I view, like, the world, you know, like not thinking that I cannot grasp something or or or obtain something, just because I don't necessarily have it now trying not to, because I feel like, like I said, I feel like everything is interconnected and with me it feels like everything is interconnected all the way down to God in general.
Speaker 2:So if I say like I, if I see a nice ass car, I'm like damn, but if I say it's expensive, in my head I'm telling myself I'm not going to get that shit. And. But if I say like, if I see a nice ass car, I'm like damn, but if I say it's expensive, in my head I'm telling myself I'm not going to get that shit. But if I say like I don't know, just kind of act like I have it already, or something like that, it changes my mindset to OK, if I'm making this much now, how do I make this much to where that's not going to be expensive?
Speaker 2:Or this thousand dollar shoe, I'm not looking at it as a thousand dollars, I'm just looking at it as pocket change. Like, how do I get to that point? It opens that up for me, versus like straight up seeing the shoes, like I can't, I'm not, never gonna do this shit yeah, I guess there's like I want to keep going, there's a healthy balance, because it's not that I disagree, but I like well, I'm saying that to preface before what I'm about to say, and that is I like to kind of live in that world a little bit too to where I like.
Speaker 1:I still want to look at a Louis V Chon shoe and realize that ain't for me, that's way too cost for a shoe, yeah, and I ain't paying it just because it's a brand name.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I ain't talking about yeah, I know, yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like a lot of people like that. Yeah, yeah, so it's also it'd be ugly and like, oh, it's got lv on it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, yeah, because I also feel like I want. I also want to live in a world where, like justin got some jeans on that's, you know, has paint on him, you know, but he, you know, he, he got it, but he ain't never gone, it's.
Speaker 2:All of this is just like materialistic yeah, you know like how adam sound every yeah yeah, yeah, I'm in that world.
Speaker 1:I was. I would still try to dress up to the event.
Speaker 2:I'm in yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I ain't gonna pull up overalls at a, you know, at somebody's wedding.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, but yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, but there's also, I like, I like the mindset of it, you know, yeah, and there's a grind to it too, like if you, I'm trying to think of the book, but it's the Power of Broke, which is not really what you're saying, but pretty much it's saying that. You know, it's pretty much finding opportunities when you don't have a lot. And they tell it's a book by Dimitri, a really great book. I recommend it to anybody.
Speaker 1:But it was talking about how people stories of celebrities or people who got rich and what they because of their lack of money, how they creatively made a way, like it talks about, you know, like fubu selling um clothes well, he started fubu like selling clothes out of a van and you know, letting rappers wear a shirt for advertisement, giving free things to promote the brand and things like that. So it's, it's amongst his. It's a lot of different stories of that and I think there's also a part of not having it in the grind that you feel the intensity. When I feel it antsy a little bit, it's about to be tight for me. I'm looking at these bills and upcoming expenses like I need to start grinding, you know, yeah, yeah, that's, yeah, that's. I feel like if I was to have that mindset I don't know if it was feel intense of the hustle that I need to, you know, pursue um, I don't know, yeah, yeah, I mean, there is a sense of reality, like you know, to to the situation.
Speaker 2:Um, so, yeah, no, you're definitely right about that. Um, I guess what I'm saying is more so knowing that it's, it's just like a mindset thing that's already it's just like trying to, it's tricking yourself into seeing reality differently.
Speaker 2:So for that situation, if you see that and you've got the bills and all that type of shit, instead of feeling like antsy and shit like that, I would have just took it as all right, so this bill's coming, it's already paid. What do I have to do to do this? Now? I just write it down or whatever and then like I just I I treat it, um, I treat it in a way where it's not like me up mentally. You know what I'm saying. So like if you know that.
Speaker 2:You know, god damn, I wish I could just like kill you. But um, yeah, but if you know, I'm saying so like if you know that you know, yeah, but if you know what you got to do to get it, it kind of like calms the situation down as long as you show up, mm-hmm you know, saying so, that's, that's all I was saying, just like. It's just like flipping the the perception, right, what's going?
Speaker 1:on and I mostly agree because I do bear a lot to the left of you know can be stuck in, you know paralyzed to my own mind you know, on why I shouldn't do this thing.
Speaker 1:And even you know, and it's just really just my mindset, and also the same thing with perception, and it's just really just my mindset and also the same thing with perception. I think perception is huge and we psych ourself out on a lot of different things because of what people may perceive you as. And even if they perceive you as that some people you know, I come in like I also live in that world as like who cares about their opinion. Yeah, yeah, Like some people, like in my mind it's like why worth Some people I just don't go back and forth with, because why do I care about going back and forth and changing your mind, Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel like a jerk in a lot of that. Like why am I going to waste my time to change your opinion?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Because, I don't legitimately care about your opinion at all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And move on. I remember when I was driving and this girl opened my door and she opened my door and was like is this for so-and-so? And I was like, no, this is not. And then she was asking more questions. I was about to start talking to her. I was like can you shut my door? Like I felt like a jerk, but I also wasn't going to go. I didn't care to go back and forth with you. I was like just, can you shut my door please? Yeah, yeah, yeah, care to go back and forth with you, as I just keep. Shut my door please. And that's why I was like why, why do I? I find myself doing that a lot in different things like, yeah, I just don't care about your opinion and I understand the living reality that some people don't care about mine right and I think I'm okay with that too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, um, it's like, yes, and also I don't care to do the riffraff. You said what you was gonna say. I said what I was gonna say, you know, and I'll just disagree, yeah um, I think creatively with race old city and before race old city too.
Speaker 2:that helped me me a lot to kind of go through. I still have that sometimes Like wondering, like damn, I don't know if this is going to hurt somebody's feelings, or this joke with this celebrity when they see it, are they going to not fuck?
Speaker 1:with me.
Speaker 2:But then I go through that sometimes. But it was really bad before, like I damn near wouldn't even do certain things online because I was just I don't know. I cared a lot about what other people thought and then you know what kind of got me out of that too was being around people who didn't give a fuck and it's like as ken and tut, like brother type. I'm sitting here thinking about hurting somebody's feelings for a little joke. These folks is nothing.
Speaker 2:On Tiana Taylor in the video not even so it's cool to be around people because we can all get caught up in it, right, yeah?
Speaker 1:no, I'm just thinking about, like, the streamers and stuff. Like there's a not to that video that you're referring to, not to that. But some people are actually just hateful. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like okay, that ain't coming out of being funny, you're you're funny is stemming from hate inside you, uh-huh yeah, like that dude, uh neon, you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1:uh, yeah, but but I'm watching that for his videos to know, I didn't know he was like on some crazy shit like that just saying crazy shit, till he got on a breakfast club and they just like grilled him okay, yeah, yeah, I don't know he's on before, but some, and you gotta also like it's shock value and you're also having people validate, validate you, right, and yeah, yeah, and you're doing it to be put on. That's, that's the beginning of time things.
Speaker 2:No, no, you're like that man was going crazy. Yeah, it was. It's leaning more toward your point of like some people just got like some type of hater I'm sure.
Speaker 1:I'm sure that is the element to that. I mean, because I know what the kid looks like and he probably wasn't a popular kid in school. So he probably gets a rile out of people who are popular, yeah, yeah, and and crapping on them, yeah. So there's going to be a little bit to that. It's like he's dishing out the things that was did to him, yeah, and I'm cause I mean just looking at the kid, you know it just doesn't seem like he's very popular and you know it's probably on not being accepted amongst the masses. So so he's going to do I mean, it's just lashing out. So I'm sure that is the case. I just don't watch him enough to know he probably he does look like a little awkward, yeah, like he was a little.
Speaker 1:I mean you, and that's probably most of the streamers, that's probably most of them, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I mean, and that's fine. I mean I think that I'm I'm when I'm excited for all the opportunities that's given to different people. But you know a lot of the kids that you, you know Joy, the Yu-Gi-Oh and stuff like that in high school. I don't know if you had those kids too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I was in Pokemon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, in high school.
Speaker 2:No, it was like middle. It was like middle. It had to be Coming out of elementary. Yeah, I used to go to Toys R Us on Saturday.
Speaker 1:I mean, you're a child, yeah, yeah, yeah, I had to book.
Speaker 2:This shit was big as fuck.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely. I mean it's whatever I'm saying, that Just even the Yu-Gi-Oh kids. That's fun to them. Why would I take that? Why would I Crap on what they enjoy? Yeah, so I was never really that person. Because that's what they enjoy. They really not hurt anybody, they're passionate about it and that's a hobby, everybody you remember.
Speaker 1:People collect coins and quarters half dollars back in the day that hobby looks very boring, but people are passionate about it. People are passionate like my. My granny used to collect these type of dolls and they were like weird dolls that I would you know, that you would never really want, but she enjoyed that thing, yeah. So everybody has their own thing and so I'm here.
Speaker 2:Huh, did the dolls look scary?
Speaker 1:I can't remember them like that. I wasn't scared of them. So I I want to lean towards no, but they were just weird dolls, but she collected them, yeah. So there's just things that people enjoyed too, but people get crapped on that and then of course you get negative energy to you. You're going to want to release that in some type of way or form and he's giving it. He. I'm sure he's giving it back. I'm sure he's traumatized from the things. They that self-reflection. You know that. You know what we just spoke about in the past, just like harping on.
Speaker 1:You know past experience, traumatization, all those are real and I could see that in a lot of what I show speed did and what like in his beginning upbringing yeah, oh, I don't think I'm familiar with that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, like I just thought it's like, yeah, I could see where you know he would make the faces and it seemed like he definitely had a troubling upbringing in the beginning. But now you see him he's more vibrant and it's more of a happy element and love. He's getting so much love and brace and financial situation able to help out others that it's more of a funny loving thing and him able to display his character. Now he still has an element of him. You know, going in on folks, like when he beat that Ashton Hall dude like you suck. You know he still has an element. Of course you're gonna gonna heal overnight, but, um, but it's completely changed from what I've seen in the beginning of his work.
Speaker 2:I wonder if I've done that. I mean I'm pretty sure everybody's done it. But like I wonder, just thinking about myself, if I um ever was like I don't know, projecting something that was like going on with me instead of the other person. Yeah, like what you mean, just like how you were saying about the guy and you know the upbringing, not not I shall speak with the other dude and like he probably went through some traumatic shit that eventually led him to say these crazy things.
Speaker 2:Mm hmm, and then I just was thinking out loud like I wonder if I've, or what instance in my life did I like portray, you know, something that was actually like hurting me probably, mm, hmm, yeah, I wonder, I wonder if I've done that.
Speaker 1:So my question to you is you have a lot of your views. The biggest ones are like the ones that you have you flirting in you with. You know a female counterpart that you're putting yourself in a video. And that's one of your biggest work. How do you feel? Does it feel good to get that gratification, to be like a ladies man in a sense, like, does that feel good for you?
Speaker 2:You know, you just, you just did that. Yeah you know, you just yep, you just did that, yeah, um, I just went further, like in my head of yeah, going back, uh, damn, yeah, maybe just being honest, um, no, of course you know, like the gratification, yeah, the or, or, feeling like that, yeah, that that that is something that does make any man feel good. But maybe that's what it is actually that I grew up and I felt like I never got a chance to be like that guy.
Speaker 2:You know, maybe other people thought that of me, but I didn't. I was scared of um. Damn, that's crazy. I was like scared to talk to women. Um, I was this light-skinned guy but like I was not inside, I didn't embody the, the, the confidence of what I could have back then. So like I didn't, I don't have no big track record of like, um, sleeping with a lot of women. I don't have the the back then. I couldn't even hold a conversation. You know shit, in college, when we started to know each other, I didn't have the confidence like, like a girl would invite me back to her place and I just didn't know what to do, you know so like now I think that's where it comes from, that I've been working on that confidence for so long, mm, hmm, that I'm leaning more into that, that which I guess does come out in my content.
Speaker 2:But yeah, you saying that, I am realizing right now it it can't this, all of this, and I'm gonna lean more into it because I feel like I'm I'm clever, witty and like all this type of shit and I see what goes, what takes off. So I'm clearly good at something right, right, dealing with um, but just taking a step back, yeah, I'm actually realizing that. Yeah, all that comes from a time, or a long time, of feeling like I have the potential to be like that guy and I just never was, mm-hmm, I mean.
Speaker 1:I mean it works well with, with what you do and I. It comes from somewhere. Like if somebody emphasizes this thing, then it's, you know, whether it's passion or whatever. Like you know, you have your friends that put themselves in videos with a lot of women that are very sexually promiscuous yeah, yeah, yeah it's not just because it's views, right, they like to be around that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, otherwise your ideas wouldn't be on that. Because you don't put yourself in those videos, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly, or try to go in that world. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because that's not something you're really interested in Facts yeah, yeah, so you can see by some of people's work what they're really interested. You know, like there's a reason why Quentin Tarantino has blood everywhere. I wonder. Yeah, yeah, because I mean he's, you know quote, unquote a weird guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, making hostiles, you know bone crushing things.
Speaker 1:Kill bills, wear their blood splatter all over the place. That's not because, like hey, I know what sells, that's what he's interested in. He enjoys that type of world, yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's. You see that in a lot of his creations. Yeah, so that was just kind of something that you know. When we kind of brushed up on it before, I was like, okay, this is just like something that you and it works because it has a blend, you know, with your creativity and then how you naturally fit in that Right. But what also stemmed a part of that is that I'm watching Perfect Match.
Speaker 2:Uh-huh, and have you? Are you familiar with Perfect Match? I just saw the thumbnail yesterday.
Speaker 1:Okay, so it's. I'm just interested, like you know, I wish I would and I'm kind of leaning towards it. Maybe I will not be lazy enough to come to the real a little bit more. But like the psychology of people, and so I you know so, when I'm looking at this, looking at the show, and so I you know so, when I'm looking at this, you know, looking at the show, I'm like they're like when one of the games is Like the women, they'll be like a topic and then they'll write like a phrase about the topic. So like dates, you know, I want a. I'm. This is not what happened, but I'm just giving an example. You know, a dinner on the beach or whatever, and then you know everybody will write something about the date that they want to see themselves in and they'll try to pick their match and see if that's who them, who chose that In particular there was. There was this one guy that he was writing the right thing on each topic to where now ladies were interested in him. And so I'm looking at that and I'm like they don't know him at all at that, and I'm like they don't know him at all, mm-hmm, but now they find him more interesting than than they did before, even off of these simple topics, just by what he said mm-hmm yeah, so it's just like things like that when I was talking about, like the ladies man situation is like how, perception things, yeah, little things that you can do to where people kind of fall in a little bit more so it's my mind just
Speaker 1:kind of once you talk about. Once I brought up ladies man. It just reminded me of the situation so I just bring it out like mindset behavior and how interested I am people's behavior of why they find things interesting. So I'm looking at that it's like, hmm, they don't. This man can be actually a jerk yeah, yeah yeah, yeah and, but nonetheless he's writing the right things. Now people are falling over him because of this yeah, or more elite, at least more interested in him giving them.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, because you know, yeah, no homo, but there I feel like there's more good-looking guys than him. Yeah, but now that he's, he's getting pushed his value, he's getting pushed a little bit more yeah no, you, um, you cracked the code on that I was.
Speaker 2:I was thinking that literally all week. I was like why am I so? I don't know. It's just like why am I so interested in women?
Speaker 1:Like you tell my making videos or just some general like I want.
Speaker 2:I want to know women better, like I want to be inside, not necessarily like the, the, the the mind of being a woman, but like To like know more about the mind of a woman, like what they want, what do they? I don't know. I'm just like really interested. And even down to the content, I'm like I'm looking up, I'm looking up like top romantic what I'm about to do, it's like top romantic films. I'm looking at my videos, what goes viral and like how to lean more into that. You know, um, like I told you, like I didn't have confidence and all that like a while ago. And even now, like I'll just strike a conversation with you, know a woman, just to get better at talking, you know conversing and all that. And it's like it's kind of molding where I'm going a little bit so like with the content and all that and I was just thinking I'm like, why?
Speaker 2:Because it's kind of like, overly it's just different from other people, like, for example, um, there could be somebody whose whose content is uh, for example, my content could have went so many different ways because it's movies, so my brand could have been something else, like I could have been, I don't know, only talking to male actors, just to go that route. But like my brand is molding into this thing, I'm like where did this shit come from? And you, literally, just you, just that makes so much sense Because I do. I remember being in high school, I remember being in college and, dude, I could look better than this guy, but he, the confidence, I just didn't have it. And I'm like I'm wondering, I'm just realizing now, talking to you, like, oh, this is from back, then all this is just from back then, and it's molding everything um, or a lot of what I do now.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, that that makes a lot of sense and you know me being experiencing college situation with you. I didn't grab that at all from yeah I mean yeah yeah, yeah, because I mean, from my how I looked at it, is that that you had a lot of women that liked you now what did you? Do with that. That's one thing and people could have. Maybe applied that simply to me in the element you know yeah but outside looking in, there was a lot of people that were interested in you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I didn't I I mean, if they showed up at my doorstep it would be like kind of awkward I got you know like that's why, as you remember, I kind of just like stayed to a certain amount of people for real, yeah, like, um, yeah, so I didn't, I didn't go crazy in college, but I could have, I just didn't have that yeah, yeah, confidence in me, yeah, yeah, I think, yeah, and I mean, and, oh, and that's what.
Speaker 1:I'm glad we brought it back to that. So how was?
Speaker 2:your dad? Was you comfortable ever to speak to your dad about women, like what like asking questions Just like.
Speaker 1:Like, just like, have a dad combo, like I want to be, like if, if I become a dad, a boy dad or whatever, so if I had a son, that I want him to come to me to feel comfortable, but like I ain't gonna feel judged by the questions that I asked my dad, because I'm just curious yeah, and did you have that?
Speaker 2:uh, about women specifically. Yeah, um, I didn't really have that, um, he just didn't really come off like as a ladies man yeah so, like I don't know what, I would ask him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, cause I look at things as like you know, you know your son's Growing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1:You know, if he's A straight man Like if he is A straight man he's gonna be interested In women. So, let me Guide him to the questions that he probably should ask me, or I should Like, maybe insert In some things that, some things that you should know.
Speaker 2:I think I think I would be more of that dad than mine was shout out to him. But you know, like I probably had way more conversations with my mom. Okay, um, unsolicited, she would just like tell me, you know this, before I was, before I was even having sex, she just showed me how to use a condom randomly. Okay, yeah, like it's.
Speaker 1:She would just do that did you feel uncomfortable for you?
Speaker 2:no, I mean, you already know who your mom is? No, no, I thought about that, when I when I said that I'm like how else would she show?
Speaker 1:yeah, I understand I'm being everybody else.
Speaker 2:She broke the shit open and then put it on her finger to show me how to do it, basically. But no, it didn't make me uncomfortable because by then I know my mom, so nothing is surprising after a certain point. But no, I had plenty, plenty conversations with her about that. But one day my dad said you know, if you ever want to try drugs, try with me first crack.
Speaker 1:Here we go, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was talking about cocaine too, like you know, if you ever want to try something, just try with me first like well, that's cool for him to say, though it's cool for him to say yeah, I just didn't believe that yeah, exactly, yeah, no, yeah, yeah. He would get so mad at me because I I used to smoke the weed like college, college days.
Speaker 1:I'm sure he thought I was a bad influence on you. Hell, no, okay, no nobody thought you was a bad none of my friends give that okay, um, but uh, yeah, no he said I did not believe that shit like at all and I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 2:He said. He said what I I'm saying that. He said that. He said, like you know, if you want to try, drugs oh yeah, right, right.
Speaker 1:But I just like yeah, I don't, I just, I don't even see that in my head, I think I would be more, more so that day, tonight, you know, sit down and have conversations and you know, just to teach them whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm sure I'd be pretty knowledgeable absolutely that by then absolutely.
Speaker 1:I think that it's good to have that relationship because I don't want my kid to be high and I was like, hey, I want my kid to be open, like I don't. I'm maybe going to push him to different things and try and different things, but if he's a Yu-Gi-Oh card kid, then oh well you know as long as he's happy in that and that you know it's like, do your. Well, you know it's like as long as he's happy in that and that you know it's like do your thing you know, yeah, yeah, yeah don't let anybody tell you that's not something you should enjoy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, as long as you're not hurting anybody, you're happy within yourself, then cool yeah, yeah, that's the same thing kind of with kaya right now um, she does not want to be an actor, like at all.
Speaker 2:Like I could. I could take pictures with her, I can have fun with her, I could sing around the house with her. But if I say, like you want to be in the videos, like no, you know the play that she was at, she just did not, she did not like it, she does not like acting, and I'm like, damn, I wonder if she'll grow into that. But I do remember being like around her age, going to see a movie every single weekend with my dad, knowing I wanted to like be in movies. Okay, so I don't think she is gonna be. So I don't know what her thing is, maybe singing, but we'll see, yeah, but I think we did it.
Speaker 1:No it was a good episode, all right. Well, this is two for the culture. We'll be back. All right, yes, sir.